Speaker 1: Up next, how woud the journal called part of the
Speaker 1: gig which switch such dat book. Conservatives like to say
Speaker 1: the mainstream media is biased, but at this point it's
Speaker 1: completely outdated to refer to the media's quote unquote liberal
Speaker 1: biases because we're no longer merely dealing with biased journalist.
Speaker 1: Now we have some members of the mainstream media who
Speaker 1: are Democrats with press passes, openly pushing a partisan agenda,
Speaker 1: and as a result, fake news has become mainstream. This
Speaker 1: is allowed with Gianno Caldwell, Welcome back to allow With
Speaker 1: Gianno Caldwell, I got an exciting show for you guys
Speaker 1: this week. My guests as the one and only Hare's
Speaker 1: Faukner at six time Emmy Award winning journalist and when
Speaker 1: I say journalists, I mean real journalists, big j journalists.
Speaker 1: You can see Fawkner each week on the Fox News
Speaker 1: Channel hosting both The Fawkner Focus and Outnumbered. Fockner, who
Speaker 1: grew up in a military family, is also a best
Speaker 1: selling author of The Nine Rules of Engagement, a military's
Speaker 1: bratt's guide to life and Success, which came out in Today.
Speaker 1: Faulkner and I talked about the integrity of the press,
Speaker 1: fake news at its worst in the state of journalism.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Wow. You know what, I've never heard your
Speaker 1: voice on podcast. My heart rate has now gone down. Oh.
Speaker 1: I'm so honored to have you here with me. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited to be with you. No, no, I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's really an honor. And I mean you're You're
Speaker 1: just a veteran that one did a lot of us respect,
Speaker 1: whether you be young or old. You're somebody that we
Speaker 1: all look up to and hope to do as good
Speaker 1: of a job as you, which we know it's nearly impossible,
Speaker 1: but you know, one can help preparation absolutely. Now. I
Speaker 1: think what's interesting is a lot of people may not
Speaker 1: know what roots you came from from before you joined
Speaker 1: Fox News Channel. A lot of people just kind of
Speaker 1: think you you joined a Fox. You have a long
Speaker 1: history of journalistic journalistic experience, starting at the local level.
Speaker 1: Can you walk people through your background? Well? Sure, I
Speaker 1: mean I started out in a very small market, Greenville, Washington,
Speaker 1: New bern In that market, it was mainly known for
Speaker 1: East Carolina University. It was a very small town that
Speaker 1: I was in, the home of news citadat in Eastern Caroline. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do my best giano. We were also
Speaker 1: known for, unfortunately, m pretty deadly hurricanes in that area
Speaker 1: and different types of of crime that would make national news.
Speaker 1: Like my very first day on the job, my news director,
Speaker 1: Roy Hardy, he was always clearing his throat, sweetest old man,
Speaker 1: but he had a sixth sense of humor, and he said, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna cut your teeth today. We've got either the
Speaker 1: KKK rally or we have a man and holding people
Speaker 1: hostage at East Carolina University. We think there's like some familiarity,
Speaker 1: maybe a spouse or a girlfriend or something. They're in
Speaker 1: the admissions office. Shots fire, and he looks around the
Speaker 1: newsroom and I've got my back to everybody because I'm
Speaker 1: facing him. My first opportunity to work Gana. They put
Speaker 1: me on some some milk crates. There I am and
Speaker 1: h on my milk crate, looking at the news director
Speaker 1: with everybody else behind me at a desk, and I
Speaker 1: don't know what the hand signals were or whatever, but
Speaker 1: they chose that hostage situation for me. In a bright
Speaker 1: pink suit, much like I'm wearing this dress today. I
Speaker 1: had a pair of heels and Kevin O'Brien. He was
Speaker 1: taking passed recently. He changed so many careers. He was
Speaker 1: he was so good with reporters and honing us for
Speaker 1: the rest of our careers. And he came over and
Speaker 1: he was always eating. He always had like a long sandwich.
Speaker 1: His car always had food. And he came over and
Speaker 1: he was eating a sub and he goes, Harris, what
Speaker 1: kind of a name is that? I said, well, boy,
Speaker 1: He said, ah, well, look at you. You look like
Speaker 1: a bottle of pep bo bismol. And I said really,
Speaker 1: And he goes those shoes though, that's I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know you can wear those heels. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: potentially a killing scene. That's okay, let's roll. So we
Speaker 1: get into his old station wagon with the panel doors.
Speaker 1: I mean, the station didn't have a lot of money,
Speaker 1: so our news vehicles look like leftovers from the Brady Duns.
Speaker 1: So we get to the scene and there's national media
Speaker 1: there because I mean East Carolina University is a huge
Speaker 1: school and CBS has come from Rawleigh and everybody's there,
Speaker 1: and because our team had gotten there and they were
Speaker 1: switching like another reporter who'd been there since early that
Speaker 1: morning out with me and someone said, who's that. Kevin goes,
Speaker 1: that's a new girl. Are we calling girls now? Right?
Speaker 1: And so I do my my first life hit ever
Speaker 1: in my career, in my life, and shots fired again
Speaker 1: and Kevin Kevin wants over and he goes, I got
Speaker 1: a call from the news room. Apparently there's somebody out
Speaker 1: here with a baby gun. Really, he goes, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're in a clicking noise. I was like, oh, do
Speaker 1: you think they're close to us? And he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I think they're might close. So I was so nervous
Speaker 1: that the little rubber plastic things on the back of
Speaker 1: your heels had worn out on my shoes and the
Speaker 1: metal was clicking on the cement. My legs are shaking,
Speaker 1: and the multidirectional mike that he had on his camera
Speaker 1: and my my handheld apparently something was picking it up.
Speaker 1: And it was like the whole time I was talking,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I don't know if your feet no
Speaker 1: Morris covid, but can you take those things off? So
Speaker 1: there I stood barefoot now the new Girl over eighteen
Speaker 1: and the Evening News took a couple of my hits
Speaker 1: because CBS couldn't get as close as we were baptism
Speaker 1: under fire. There began my breaking news career and by
Speaker 1: that night I had done probably for different affiliates around
Speaker 1: the country. Probably what and how old were you at
Speaker 1: this point? Uh? Four twenty four, first time live hit
Speaker 1: and you're national in a local market. Wow. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wish I could see see some of that coverage. I'm
Speaker 1: sure just outstanding, just pictures with me on the internet.
Speaker 1: First of all, the hair arrived before I did, and um,
Speaker 1: but I will tell you that three days later I
Speaker 1: did get sent to that KKK rally, and the news
Speaker 1: director then figured out that I was a serious person
Speaker 1: and he came over and he said, you know, I
Speaker 1: know it's only been a couple of days, but I
Speaker 1: kind of like you. I'm kind of growing affectionate of
Speaker 1: your work ethic. He said, I'm sending you to that
Speaker 1: KKK rally because they had changed because of the weather
Speaker 1: and got a different permit or something. And now he's
Speaker 1: just landing planes on my head because I don't know
Speaker 1: what the heck he's talking about because my eyes are
Speaker 1: this big. Um, well, no one can see us because
Speaker 1: we're looks like a cartoon character where the cat's tail
Speaker 1: gets stepped on in their eyes get real big. That's me.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, what do you want me to
Speaker 1: do with the rally? And he goes, I want you
Speaker 1: to stay alive. I like, is that a choke? And
Speaker 1: he goes no. He said, you know, the last couple
Speaker 1: of reporters we've sent, you know, they came back. They
Speaker 1: weren't sure if they wanted to do this as a career.
Speaker 1: And he said, but I'm not sending you with some
Speaker 1: kind of a test. It's going on and it's part
Speaker 1: of what we do, and we're going to cover it.
Speaker 1: And it's free speech, and they have a permit. A
Speaker 1: couple of suggestions, don't talk from when people talk. If
Speaker 1: you asked somebody a question, you need to listen. And
Speaker 1: I said, why did the k k knot like to
Speaker 1: be interrupted? He goes no, these are like lifetime suggests. Suggestion.
Speaker 1: You know, I was so young and I said, well,
Speaker 1: what's the other suggestion that you have for me? Mr Hardy?
Speaker 1: And he said, I want you to be as good
Speaker 1: every day as you were on that campus. I want
Speaker 1: you to stay focused and to know what it should
Speaker 1: be in your focus. And I said all those years
Speaker 1: ago that if I ever got my own show named
Speaker 1: after me would have that word in it. And it's
Speaker 1: taken me a quarter centry to get here. And I
Speaker 1: have the Faulkner Focus weekdays at eleven am on the
Speaker 1: East Coast, and now we have the Fawkner Focus, as
Speaker 1: you said, week days eleven am on the East Coast,
Speaker 1: and you also host and actually the veteran centerpiece host
Speaker 1: of Outnumbered. It well noon, How is that to have
Speaker 1: these two hours, which you've been having two hours for
Speaker 1: some time now, but just to go from your show
Speaker 1: to Outnumbered and to be talking about these news stories
Speaker 1: on a day to day basis, you know, Gosh, why
Speaker 1: not hear people say blessed beyond measure? I always wonder
Speaker 1: whether or not UM people really understand the meaning of
Speaker 1: those words. And in the past year, I think I've
Speaker 1: done eleven pandemic specials, a couple of them prime time.
Speaker 1: Blessed to do a job and work for a corporation
Speaker 1: where they are never offended by me talking about my
Speaker 1: faith times and we know we've had some as a country.
Speaker 1: I don't prophesize on the air, but I when when
Speaker 1: people ask me directly, how do you account for your success?
Speaker 1: I say there, but by the grace of God, go live,
Speaker 1: um and beyond measure because I didn't see all of it,
Speaker 1: kind of some of it I didn't even ask for.
Speaker 1: Some of it isn't exactly what I did ask for.
Speaker 1: It's right on time, and it's by design. And so
Speaker 1: every day I look at those two shows, the Faulkner
Speaker 1: Focus and out Numbered as God's blessing my path. He
Speaker 1: has expectations for me, and I have purpose in my life,
Speaker 1: and I'm supposed to do the very best I can
Speaker 1: for both of those categories to meet the expectations that
Speaker 1: the Good Lord was set for me, which is to
Speaker 1: do my work with integrity and honesty and respect for others.
Speaker 1: Um with a little sense of humor sparkled in because
Speaker 1: I think that's what he wants me to be, and
Speaker 1: that is such. I mean, you tell some really great stories,
Speaker 1: but speaking of what's expected of you and mentioning and
Speaker 1: tag grety and that's one of the reasons why I
Speaker 1: wanted to speak with you today to talk about the
Speaker 1: integrity of the press. Uh, fake news that is worse
Speaker 1: than the state of journalism, which um, a lot of
Speaker 1: people have said journalism isn't the journalism of your your
Speaker 1: days back when you're in local television. Things have really
Speaker 1: changed for a lot of people, and for years, a
Speaker 1: lot of people, especially conservatives, have criticized the mainstream media
Speaker 1: for his quote unquote liberal bias. But liberal bias implies
Speaker 1: journalists are still doing their basic jobs of reporting their news,
Speaker 1: just to some degree of bias and silantic coverage. Today, however,
Speaker 1: it seems we've gone from biased journalists too in some
Speaker 1: cases partisans democrats with press basses openly pushing a political agenda,
Speaker 1: no longer even pretending to report the facts. What do
Speaker 1: you think of that assessment? Is people have been talking
Speaker 1: about that, whether it be on Fox News Channel or
Speaker 1: anywhere else. Well, Gianna, I think you hit the nail
Speaker 1: on the head. Um. We are on a journey, and
Speaker 1: as we move through, what I like to say, from
Speaker 1: adventure to adventure, we're going to some place we've along
Speaker 1: the way we've never been before. Uh and is it
Speaker 1: the best place to be? Well? I wish it were
Speaker 1: just bias, but I see Haye as a black woman
Speaker 1: in media. I see articles dedicated to why do they
Speaker 1: leave her out? When they mentioned in the award winning journalists,
Speaker 1: major publications, major broadcasts, what I call the alphabet suit networks, ABC, CBS, NBC.
Speaker 1: I don't get offended because it's been the course for
Speaker 1: my entire career. I'm not what everybody thought I was
Speaker 1: going to be, and for some I'm not black enough.
Speaker 1: I you know, I want both sides of the story,
Speaker 1: but I want all sides of the story because they're
Speaker 1: not they're normally not just too um. I want the
Speaker 1: exclusive video that really shows what happened at the police
Speaker 1: shooting of McKay ryan. I want that one. I want
Speaker 1: the one from the neighbor on top of the garage,
Speaker 1: not just the one we're being fed to the media
Speaker 1: by someone's cell phone or whatever. I want the whole
Speaker 1: spherical look at things. And then I want the space
Speaker 1: and the grace to ask the good questions and not
Speaker 1: to grade the answers. I want to stand in the
Speaker 1: space that is so divided as a nation right now
Speaker 1: and here from everybody. And I think we very hardy
Speaker 1: for starting me out with a KKK rally because some
Speaker 1: of the best interviews I've ever done in my career.
Speaker 1: You know, not everybody have cell phone back then. So
Speaker 1: I try to find that three quarterage tape that that weighs,
Speaker 1: you know, as much as my first child of earth. Um.
Speaker 1: But they were listened to because I took his advice,
Speaker 1: and when I asked a question, they talked to me.
Speaker 1: They knew who they were talking to. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: never been anything but blacks. They talk different at the rally.
Speaker 1: But I take this experiences into today, where we're so
Speaker 1: divided and the word racism is dropped everywhere, and I
Speaker 1: see reporters, back to the point of your question. I
Speaker 1: see reporters not even resisting saying well that's a quote,
Speaker 1: or you know, I see them getting involved in the protests.
Speaker 1: I see them like I I want to say that
Speaker 1: that's not what's happening. But when I listen to their words,
Speaker 1: I hear that that even the violent protesters have a
Speaker 1: right to space. And they're quoting the mayors and the
Speaker 1: and and the leadership in certain cities where things have
Speaker 1: broken off and gotten violent, but they're not going to
Speaker 1: those offices and demanding answers. Who's advocating for the business owners?
Speaker 1: Like I see this on my shows and on Fox,
Speaker 1: but I don't see that everywhere. So what I take
Speaker 1: it to mean if you're not willing to go get
Speaker 1: the whole truth, you must be complicit in the half truth.
Speaker 1: And I don't like going there, so don't drag me.
Speaker 1: So if you want to leave me out of stuff
Speaker 1: as much as I you know, respect to appreciate. Why
Speaker 1: didn't you give it a word to Harris Faulkner. Um,
Speaker 1: Because I don't. I don't follow a narrative. I'm too
Speaker 1: busy trying to figure out what's actually going on and
Speaker 1: talking with people who may not agree with each other.
Speaker 1: But it's important to talk to all side, you know.
Speaker 1: And and we're in a space now where we have
Speaker 1: a president who says I've been told not to take
Speaker 1: questions Jinsaki, the White House Press secretary this week. Well
Speaker 1: we'd rather he didn't. Really, Well, we'd rather he did
Speaker 1: after that pipeline to Bakle and millions of people and
Speaker 1: gas shortage situations across more than a dozen states. Um.
Speaker 1: A reporter asked, so, Mr President, were you aware the
Speaker 1: the private corporation Colonial took a five million dollar pot
Speaker 1: of cash and gave it to the Russian hackers as ransom?
Speaker 1: Now you know what that means. If one company does it,
Speaker 1: fifty will do it. Maybe they already have been so
Speaker 1: he had already walked away because he was He took
Speaker 1: two questions, two or three questions. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying any moreries. You know he's gonna need a ben
Speaker 1: a drill for the allergy he has. We're taking press questions.
Speaker 1: So he comes back to the microphone and just to
Speaker 1: lean in and say, I have no comment. I would
Speaker 1: have follow it up with he's your comment that you
Speaker 1: don't know the answer, or is your comment that you
Speaker 1: can't say the answer? Shout it? If you have to
Speaker 1: let him talk to you as he walks away. Make
Speaker 1: it harder and harder and harder to be ignored as
Speaker 1: a press because we only have one role to serve
Speaker 1: the American people with great questions. We have one job. Now.
Speaker 1: I do love her and makeup, but that's not my job.
Speaker 1: I even put some on for this podcast. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Before we move on, let's take a quick break back
Speaker 1: in a second. It sounds like you're giving career advice
Speaker 1: to a lot of those activist reporters out there, and
Speaker 1: that brings you to my next question, because you you
Speaker 1: mentioned something that I think people really especially those who
Speaker 1: are enterppressed, those who work in our industry. During the
Speaker 1: Trump era, we saw a slew of news reports saying
Speaker 1: that Trump Bastlar military, colluded with Russia and so on.
Speaker 1: Many of these reports had to be corrected or even retracted.
Speaker 1: I want to go over a couple of specific ones
Speaker 1: with you in a moment, But before then, pretty much
Speaker 1: all of these reports relied exclusively on anonymous sources. As
Speaker 1: a journalist, what do you think about the use of
Speaker 1: anonymous sources and reporting? Is it too easily abused because
Speaker 1: we see a lot of activism going on in journalism. Now, well,
Speaker 1: let's get to what in anonymous sources, because apparently it
Speaker 1: has a different meaning for everybody and aim. A source
Speaker 1: is something that you and your news management all note together.
Speaker 1: I don't trust any reporter who's the only person keeping
Speaker 1: the information because we get kidnapped and killed all over
Speaker 1: the world. What are you trying to do? Like you
Speaker 1: got to tell somebody off the record, include and you
Speaker 1: should tell people when you take people off the record.
Speaker 1: Look as Connie Chung, between you and me is always
Speaker 1: a point where people tune in with a microphone, honey.
Speaker 1: So the way we as journalists are are trained to
Speaker 1: do is I will make the determination with you and
Speaker 1: my news management off the record now a lot of times,
Speaker 1: if I know I'm going to do an interview, I'll
Speaker 1: check in with our senior vice president of Daytime and
Speaker 1: I'll say, look, if I'm called off the record, where
Speaker 1: do we stand on that? And we'll talk about the
Speaker 1: parameters of that. Uh. We would much prefer Harris that
Speaker 1: would be on background, which means if you could corroborate
Speaker 1: whatever information they give you with other sources, you can
Speaker 1: use it. Because the reason somebody wants to go off
Speaker 1: the record is because they don't want the finger pointed
Speaker 1: at them. But anonymous sources is something different, because anonymous
Speaker 1: sources can be someone that you don't want to tell
Speaker 1: the public about. Well, then set off the record, you
Speaker 1: know I And then if it's off the record, coroborated
Speaker 1: in a different way so you can put it on
Speaker 1: the record. But when you say anonymous sources, I start
Speaker 1: to get nervous because are the sources also anonymous to
Speaker 1: the recorder? Did you have a blind phone conversation? Assume
Speaker 1: everything is recorded. Most of us live in one party
Speaker 1: states anyway, So I can record somebody, I don't have
Speaker 1: to get their permission. I always tell young reporters, be
Speaker 1: careful when somebody says between you and me and I
Speaker 1: want to remain anonymous, be careful the promises that you make,
Speaker 1: because if they go out and kill somebody and they
Speaker 1: told you about it, you got into brism. Wow, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. You you you you better be clear
Speaker 1: on what was on and off the record, what you knew,
Speaker 1: why you knew it, Because if they recorded and you
Speaker 1: didn't know, when you're in a one party state and
Speaker 1: they played the tape for the car, well, you know,
Speaker 1: Harris Faulkner knew, do you want to call? Well? I
Speaker 1: told him. I guess he thought we really really were,
Speaker 1: you know, not gonna tell anybody, But I felt like
Speaker 1: I could tell somebody, and that reporter didn't talk me
Speaker 1: out of it. I mean, look, even if you don't
Speaker 1: go anywhere behind bars, you gotta you gotta spend your
Speaker 1: heart on cash and try to defend yourself. Anonymous sources
Speaker 1: make me nervous. Tell the public. I've learned this on background.
Speaker 1: I've been able to source it to other people outside
Speaker 1: my original source, who would like to remain unnamed. But anonymous,
Speaker 1: we get into we get into trouble. With that concept
Speaker 1: of someone not knowing anything about an individual. Look, it
Speaker 1: didn't even work out for Assange's true, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's okay to have quiet sourcing on things. It's responsible,
Speaker 1: especially you know if I've had victims of rape come
Speaker 1: to me and they're their allegis. Day. This was very
Speaker 1: high profile, and what do we do. Well, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to out the names of a of a rape victim.
Speaker 1: We we know the by laws of journalism that you
Speaker 1: can get somebody killed. So the point isn't to say
Speaker 1: an anonymous source told me blah blah blah. Now, the
Speaker 1: point is I have spoken exclusively and off the record
Speaker 1: with a victim, but utilize some of the detail to
Speaker 1: be able to work on the record sources to tell
Speaker 1: you the following the nursing home story, couldn't even get
Speaker 1: a return email from the Governor of New York, and
Speaker 1: they knew I had solid information. So I found a
Speaker 1: nurse in Boston who was a young woman as signed
Speaker 1: had come here the governor on TV and said, oh,
Speaker 1: they need my help in the middle of the pandemic.
Speaker 1: I'll go stay at a Time Square hotel with a
Speaker 1: bunch of nurses and doctors and and go volunteer and
Speaker 1: at particularly nursing homes. That's where she was put take
Speaker 1: a few pictures. That's what she did about the four
Speaker 1: days she was crying. To her family. She was like,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing things. People are dying. They are giving us ppe.
Speaker 1: Oh the story got bigger, and I do something on
Speaker 1: the Falkner Focus and previously outnumbered over time because my
Speaker 1: show used to follow out number. Now it comes previous
Speaker 1: to it. They are previous, But I do something. I'm
Speaker 1: looking out for you, So I always tell the viewer
Speaker 1: something's going on. That's the local news part of me.
Speaker 1: And you know that it's wrong and you want somebody
Speaker 1: to look into it. Don't forget where I am. I mean,
Speaker 1: my roots are an investigative journalism. My husband's one of
Speaker 1: the best investigators I've ever met, investigative journalists. I always
Speaker 1: say I didn't have an any before I met my Tony,
Speaker 1: and he's so friendly. People don't even know, Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: I killed him. I think he's gonna be able to
Speaker 1: tell your things. So you know, when journalists say that
Speaker 1: they have anonymous sources, have to start to ask, well,
Speaker 1: are the sources anonymous to you? Do you know who
Speaker 1: they are. Have you shared with your news management the
Speaker 1: parameters of the secret keeping that you're doing. Is anybody's
Speaker 1: life in danger by what you're holding onto? These are
Speaker 1: things that have to be talked about. Now they don't
Speaker 1: talk about the lunch room, but that's how it works,
Speaker 1: and most people don't know the drill down down on that.
Speaker 1: Reporters are made to look like you know, superheroes. Oh,
Speaker 1: they know this, and they know that we know things
Speaker 1: because people tell us and show us things, and if
Speaker 1: we're really good at our jobs, will match the facts
Speaker 1: that they're telling us with the perspective and the content
Speaker 1: of doing information gathering around those facts to try to
Speaker 1: get to the whole story. So, in essence, it can
Speaker 1: easily be abused. But that's why you gotta be able
Speaker 1: to source things for yourself and not just trust an
Speaker 1: anonymous source in that way. Is that what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll hear me say this on the air all the time.
Speaker 1: So and so even if it's routers or AP, they'll
Speaker 1: say a source only known to routers or you know,
Speaker 1: I don't ever see them use the word anonymous sources necessarily,
Speaker 1: but they'll say, you know, we've done quiet sourcing on
Speaker 1: this or whatever. And I will always say I at
Speaker 1: Box News cannot independently bear I do it with video
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, the a people say this
Speaker 1: video shows and I mean, well, it purports to show that, yes,
Speaker 1: but that you never get the whole clip. And there's
Speaker 1: always that point where just outside the finger that was
Speaker 1: covering the lens, and the next clip the finger gets
Speaker 1: moved and you're like, oh my gosh, that's bob. Oh
Speaker 1: we do know blah blah blah blah blah. But they'll
Speaker 1: send you some weirdly edited video or whatever and it
Speaker 1: purports to show, is what I'll say. And until we
Speaker 1: can we do that with video from from different countries,
Speaker 1: I'll say, you know, uh, this video appears to show
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Now, if it's the Iron Dome and
Speaker 1: they're firing rockets from Gaza and blowing up houses, we
Speaker 1: often see that who apparently is doing this We found
Speaker 1: out in that conflict that's going on right now between Hamas,
Speaker 1: the terrorist organization in Israel. UM they now aren't just
Speaker 1: doing stuff in the air, They're they're doing stuff on
Speaker 1: the ground. Uh. And the Palestinian people who are caught
Speaker 1: in the center of this and the Israeli people who
Speaker 1: are Caughton center this. It's it's heartbreaking, but it very
Speaker 1: much is. Moss is a terrorist group and when they
Speaker 1: do stuff, we may not be able to call the
Speaker 1: terrorist name, but we know where the rockets are coming from.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of different. But when you look at
Speaker 1: video and you're asked to believe something based on a
Speaker 1: little bit that's been edited, that's when it's time to
Speaker 1: go deeper at what I want to see among our
Speaker 1: young journalist, Giano. I want to see that suspension of
Speaker 1: automatic belief when somebody tells you something. And to my
Speaker 1: next point and my next question to you, because I
Speaker 1: think that's the perfect jump off, I want to go
Speaker 1: through a couple of egregious examples of the media really
Speaker 1: messing up news stories and then get your thoughts on them.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw the Washington Post report and early
Speaker 1: January the President Trump pressor Georgia's top election investigator to quote,
Speaker 1: find a fraud in the election. It turns out that
Speaker 1: the Post reporting was blatantly fosse. In fact, two months later,
Speaker 1: the paper stated that it misquoted Trump's comments on the
Speaker 1: phone call in question, and that he never actually said
Speaker 1: find the fraud. This seems to be like it's should
Speaker 1: be pretty straightforward. Just listen to the recording of the
Speaker 1: phone call and report what was said. How can a
Speaker 1: professional journalists mess that up unless they want to make
Speaker 1: the president look bad? It just seems I don't understand
Speaker 1: that piece. Well, first of all, anybody looking at that
Speaker 1: a news manager whom ever, has got to be and
Speaker 1: this is the word that's key, curious enough to say,
Speaker 1: let's listen to the whole calls we have it. They
Speaker 1: reported a half truth because undoubtedly they reported half of
Speaker 1: bocus on the tape, they didn't listen to it. When
Speaker 1: you listen to it, you see you hear the context
Speaker 1: in the perspective of what the president was saying, because
Speaker 1: you hear all of his words. That's case in point
Speaker 1: of what I was just saying, You've got to be
Speaker 1: curious enough to listen to the whole thing. And then too,
Speaker 1: did anybody pick up the phone and said, Mr President,
Speaker 1: we're about to go with the story. What did you
Speaker 1: mean when you said this? That makes your story more powerful,
Speaker 1: by the way, because then you can say, well, we
Speaker 1: have this tape and when we first got this tape,
Speaker 1: we were told it said one thing. Now we realize
Speaker 1: when you really listen to the whole thing, it says this,
Speaker 1: we contacted the current president, who, by the way, there
Speaker 1: were very few times you couldn't get Trump on the
Speaker 1: phone to say something. If you really really tried, either
Speaker 1: him or one of his people, Um, you might even
Speaker 1: play the tape for them. And then you get the
Speaker 1: benefit of asking, well, where were you on this issue?
Speaker 1: You get the benefit of asking and oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: if you do your job really well, and you sit
Speaker 1: down with the President of the United States at the
Speaker 1: hype of the pandemic and rioting in the streets of
Speaker 1: this country last June of and he tries to tell
Speaker 1: you that he's done more for black folks than Lincoln.
Speaker 1: Because you know your history and you know his you
Speaker 1: get to say this, Mr President, we are for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get to say that because you're you're you're a
Speaker 1: student of history and I'm talking about myself last year.
Speaker 1: And then that's when you sat down with the president.
Speaker 1: That's when when you sat down with the president. Try
Speaker 1: in Texas at a mega church like fourteen hours before
Speaker 1: you had a quarantine to come back to our houses,
Speaker 1: and we would have been staying at the hotels trying
Speaker 1: to get home. The pandemic was on fire at that point.
Speaker 1: And why do I say all of that, because then
Speaker 1: we got to further the conversation. We wouldn't even deeper
Speaker 1: and had conversations about rapes alluding in the shooting. Well,
Speaker 1: it came to them here, Mr President, It came from here,
Speaker 1: and I told him. And you know, in my career
Speaker 1: there have been probably count on one hand times when
Speaker 1: other journalists write about my work, and Mainstream Columbia Journalism
Speaker 1: Review wrote a whole article about that interview and how
Speaker 1: to do it. It takes patience and preparation, and you
Speaker 1: gain the respect of the person across from you because
Speaker 1: you're willing to do two things. Ask real questions and
Speaker 1: listen to their answers completely, and don't edit them to
Speaker 1: the point where their answers are unrecognizable when they get
Speaker 1: the air, Like Rhonda Santas, is that your next example? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean that that just came to you said edited,
Speaker 1: And um, I think back to that interview he did
Speaker 1: for that Sunday show, and um, the masking about COVID
Speaker 1: and donations by the grocery store. And I mean it
Speaker 1: seems as though again activism and journalism trying to especially
Speaker 1: for those who may be conservative, trying to make them
Speaker 1: appear in a light that isn't true. And one has
Speaker 1: to ask, um, we get where are we going with this?
Speaker 1: Because it's gotten to the point where you really can't
Speaker 1: trust the media in the sense that we used to
Speaker 1: used to say. Okay, well, the AP reported it, The
Speaker 1: New York Times reported it, this other outlet reported it's true.
Speaker 1: I believe what they're saying because obviously they're going to
Speaker 1: source their information independently, you would assume. But we're seeing
Speaker 1: a lot of headlines, especially under the last four years
Speaker 1: of Trump, where things were just simply putting not true.
Speaker 1: It was like in a lot of cases, and clearly
Speaker 1: he's willing to sit down and take tough questions and
Speaker 1: and as president and and after Um, so getting at
Speaker 1: the truth is not impossible to do, but you have
Speaker 1: to want it. You have to actually want the truth
Speaker 1: more than you want the narrative that you and maybe
Speaker 1: your news manager sent human to get. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you have to want the truth. And you know, one
Speaker 1: that I think of now is all of the rhetoric,
Speaker 1: and Liz Cheney was one of them to going after
Speaker 1: former President of Trump on the bounties. Oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: she's getting you know, democratic love right now because Republicans
Speaker 1: fired her recently from the conference chair post. But let's
Speaker 1: not forget who we're talking about here, Like that there
Speaker 1: was no information that there were bounties on the heads
Speaker 1: of Americans soldiers. It was being reported and the president, Oh,
Speaker 1: why did you press Russia and blah blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And then you find out
Speaker 1: that wasn't actually true. And I've had senators on my
Speaker 1: program and say, we looked at the Intel at the time.
Speaker 1: If there was a country putting bounties on the head
Speaker 1: of American soldiers, look how many serving members of Congress
Speaker 1: and the Senate of the House and Senate or form
Speaker 1: a military My gosh, we'd be umpired to go do
Speaker 1: something about that. But the Intel showed that that wasn't
Speaker 1: the case yet. And you would expect people across the
Speaker 1: bottle wild run with it because it serves their political purposes,
Speaker 1: and how it sounded the media to get there. And
Speaker 1: this is and this is what really becomes because I
Speaker 1: remembering people going the Intel community going on politically, yeah,
Speaker 1: no question about it. But it's it's amazing to me
Speaker 1: to see so many in the media reported as as
Speaker 1: the gospel, and they've done such a job to turn
Speaker 1: uh kind of the main you know, center, not Center America,
Speaker 1: not not the flyover States per se. But folks in
Speaker 1: New York, folks in l A. Make them believe that
Speaker 1: they can't trust what goes on in conservative media because
Speaker 1: it's so quote unquote so biased. But then you look
Speaker 1: at things that are being said over with the New
Speaker 1: York Times and other outlets where it's just frankly just
Speaker 1: not found it not true, and people will believe a
Speaker 1: story simply put because it was in the New York Times.
Speaker 1: Now I'm interested in no one from you find says obviously,
Speaker 1: and I work for Fox News Channel, and everybody knows
Speaker 1: that this is listening to. So Um what makes Fox
Speaker 1: different than all the others. Clearly we've been the number
Speaker 1: one voice and number one watch for many many years. Um. Clearly,
Speaker 1: you're real journalists who has integrity and you want to
Speaker 1: get to the story. You want to get to the facts,
Speaker 1: no matter how it makes anyone. Look, whether it be
Speaker 1: Donald Trump or Republican or Democrat, facts are facts, and
Speaker 1: that's what it is what makes us so different than
Speaker 1: the rest. I'm not afraid to go counter to any
Speaker 1: narrative that's there. I'm not And I think we are
Speaker 1: bold and we are scrappy at Fox, and we have
Speaker 1: a healthy sense of skepticism. And I don't believe something
Speaker 1: that is written just because it's at the time to
Speaker 1: the post. But even that young journalists on her first
Speaker 1: day in her mid twenties didn't believe with them. First
Speaker 1: of all, I know everybody has an agenda, everybody's got
Speaker 1: a point of view. And I learned in school that
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as being without bias. We all
Speaker 1: have biases. You have to be objective and a truth sircer,
Speaker 1: sir searcher and a truth seeker. But we all come
Speaker 1: to the table with our life experiences and our point
Speaker 1: of view. It's sometimes they can serve as well to
Speaker 1: ask even better questions. So I think it's too much
Speaker 1: to assume that anybody is going to come at their
Speaker 1: job without a point of view. The question is can
Speaker 1: they still be professional and a Fox we're different, We
Speaker 1: don't hide the fact that we're hungry at all times,
Speaker 1: starved for what we don't see, because see, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get eight plates of what everybody sees. We're really interested
Speaker 1: in what's behind angle all of it, what's underneaed, what's
Speaker 1: behind the curtain. And that's really what makes this different.
Speaker 1: And you know, when you look at the current administration,
Speaker 1: the Biden administration, we're more than a hundred days now.
Speaker 1: There are simultaneous crises going on, and I know they
Speaker 1: don't like the word crisis, so let's use what the
Speaker 1: words really are their disaster, multiple fronts. You sent FEMA
Speaker 1: to our border with Mexico because we had a hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy two thousand people flowing over. You sent FEMA
Speaker 1: to disaster and that's in one month, the number you
Speaker 1: just quoted April. Yeah, those are those recent numbers. We
Speaker 1: had a disaster go on after you canceled Keystone pipeline
Speaker 1: in your first day president two billion dollars in wages.
Speaker 1: Then we really could have used some extra coil when
Speaker 1: colonial got hacked and I don't even think you knew
Speaker 1: all the details of that because they played some ransom
Speaker 1: of five million dollars and you might have wanted to
Speaker 1: know that we could see another one next week based
Speaker 1: on appcating if I'm a hacker, I'm going dang this,
Speaker 1: Hayes comedies are crazy. Come on, come on, how does
Speaker 1: that make sound? It's got some truth to it because
Speaker 1: we don't have all eyes on the topic. And when
Speaker 1: the President was asked about it today, he leaned in
Speaker 1: and said no comment, and not a reporter among them shouted,
Speaker 1: what do you mean by no comment? You don't know
Speaker 1: or you don't want us to know. Get out the
Speaker 1: record with that stuff. They were all over Trump, which
Speaker 1: is why when I sat down with him, I respected
Speaker 1: his time. He took questions, every question, and I realized
Speaker 1: that that's part of the president's job, and he accepted that.
Speaker 1: I love Biden once a part of this job. I mean,
Speaker 1: it looks like maybe he doesn't or has been told
Speaker 1: not to want uh. He said today, Oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I hate not to take your I love taking your question.
Speaker 1: And then he took two or three and walked away.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, that's how you express load for
Speaker 1: taking questions. What does it look like when you don't
Speaker 1: want to Oh, they're the same thing. They're so confused
Speaker 1: we got a lot going on that feel like and
Speaker 1: our legitimate disasters. What's happening at our police departments now?
Speaker 1: Look at New York Mayor de Blasio just said he
Speaker 1: wants to maybe I want to take another look at
Speaker 1: that defund situation. They took away a billion dollars in
Speaker 1: the midst of all the rioting last summer, and it
Speaker 1: didn't even get anybody off the streets right away. That
Speaker 1: the streets don't They're insatiable. They don't have any leadership
Speaker 1: of the streets. I mean that the women who founded BLM,
Speaker 1: the organization, not the movement. They're pusy, bad houses vacation.
Speaker 1: They were'ty be going to Chicago where black and black
Speaker 1: crime is off the schizzl. You know, I know a
Speaker 1: lot about that. I know you do. I know you do,
Speaker 1: And I hope you talked to your audience about the
Speaker 1: truth in these matters because they won't see it depending
Speaker 1: on what they're watching. They need to be watching pop.
Speaker 1: Now you were talking about Biden. Do do you get
Speaker 1: the sense that maybe he's being controlled, that's why he
Speaker 1: doesn't give questions, gives you will see oftentimes when uh,
Speaker 1: it comes time for that period of staff will say yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do any questions, or he will ask them. Now,
Speaker 1: I get it, a president will allow some discretion when
Speaker 1: it comes to their staff, but it seems as though
Speaker 1: he's really being withheld in some of these instances. To me,
Speaker 1: it does, and I'm not sure about your your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that. So I brought up a point on an
Speaker 1: out number that the panels seemed to really agree with today. UM,
Speaker 1: So I don't think anybody ended up being outnumbered in
Speaker 1: this conversation, but I just made an observation based on
Speaker 1: my own journalistic experience. Um, sometimes people don't want others
Speaker 1: to take questions because they are concerned that certain language
Speaker 1: maybe us that the administration is working on purging. So
Speaker 1: why would yours walkers say that about President Bidens administration
Speaker 1: Because we know that they don't like to say the
Speaker 1: word crisis. They don't, and we know that he did
Speaker 1: and when he said it, his press secretary and others
Speaker 1: corrected him publicly. The president was not correct. When I
Speaker 1: calls that is humiliating, Yeah, it is. It's like you're
Speaker 1: talking about your child at that point. So my question
Speaker 1: today is who is the president capitulating to that he
Speaker 1: feels that he needs to be cut to his knees
Speaker 1: when it comes to how he wants to talk about things.
Speaker 1: The most powerful man probably on planet was certainly in
Speaker 1: three moral the Western wre And the interesting part about that, though,
Speaker 1: this isn't the first time that's happened, if you recall
Speaker 1: during his time as Vice president Obama administration, he gave
Speaker 1: an interview where he endorsed gay marriage, and the Obama
Speaker 1: administration did not want to and he was lished on
Speaker 1: the sideline no more in media interviews for months months,
Speaker 1: months on end, if you recall that that time. So
Speaker 1: he uh, certainly is a person that you would naturally
Speaker 1: see go off script. But the distinction here is your president,
Speaker 1: what you say should go and you tell your staff
Speaker 1: what to do, not the other way around. It's not.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. And you know, you bring up such an
Speaker 1: excellent point, Gianna. Back then it was going off script,
Speaker 1: counter to administration. Right now it is counterscript to administration.
Speaker 1: We don't know who Joe Biden's because he's not allowed
Speaker 1: to tell us. And if you think he's showing us
Speaker 1: through his progressive ways of things that he signed on
Speaker 1: his first day, executive orders and all these are killing
Speaker 1: the pipeline and raising taxes and doing all these things,
Speaker 1: since he's definitely showing us the ways of the most
Speaker 1: progressive people in his party. And when Alexandria Cazzia Cortez
Speaker 1: and the prior days to the election, was caught up
Speaker 1: with by cameras on Capitol Hill and walking fast and
Speaker 1: they said, what are you gonna do about Joe Biden
Speaker 1: if he doesn't want to kind of go left with you?
Speaker 1: The reporters, I don't know who they were. In my head,
Speaker 1: that's how they all sound so and I guess I
Speaker 1: sound like that too when I'm running. Uh. She said,
Speaker 1: we're going to push him. You know what, I believe
Speaker 1: people when they show you who they are pushing him.
Speaker 1: Question is, why does the most powerful man allow that,
Speaker 1: like what is going on behind the scenes for Joe
Speaker 1: Biden that he says words like oh, I can't I
Speaker 1: can't say anything about I'll get in trouble. So you know,
Speaker 1: he's fully vaccinated, and I know he's an older man,
Speaker 1: and you do want to protect him. He's the president
Speaker 1: of the United States. I get it. He's at an
Speaker 1: outdoor event that's a car event. Everybody's mask the cars
Speaker 1: are I don't know how far away, but you couldn't
Speaker 1: see him in the picture. He can't find his mask.
Speaker 1: He's taken it off suddenly and he's on this big
Speaker 1: day is and people are running to him, including his wife,
Speaker 1: Jill Biden, and he leaves in the wife, I can't
Speaker 1: find my mask. I'm gonna be in trouble. What does
Speaker 1: he need? I mean, I have children, I have I
Speaker 1: have a sixth grader. She knows the meaning of the
Speaker 1: words I'm in trouble. I'm so blessed with bright, well behaved,
Speaker 1: super smart girls. Every now and then they have a
Speaker 1: mouth on him like their mother, and they'll say something.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they don't get in trouble. Who's the Harris Walker?
Speaker 1: At this point, we need to put him on the show.
Speaker 1: Are you smarter than the sixth grader? I mean, we
Speaker 1: need to find out. This is a real question. We
Speaker 1: need production companies. Where are you? We really need to
Speaker 1: know that. You know, it's thank you for your insight
Speaker 1: on that, because I know not everyone's We're not all
Speaker 1: crazy to be thinking that something is up with the
Speaker 1: Biden administration. It just doesn't make it's not making sense.
Speaker 1: We had the idea that Kamala Harris is gonna be
Speaker 1: running the show. And if she's running the show, she's
Speaker 1: not doing too good of a job at it because
Speaker 1: we've not seen her on the boarder. Yeah, that one job.
Speaker 1: Have you seen her on the board yet they give
Speaker 1: her a disaster to go handle. Yeah, this is the thing.
Speaker 1: If you're not willing to go and put eyes and
Speaker 1: ears on something, how can you fix it? Now? I look,
Speaker 1: I'm sure the woman is wonderful with children. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many diapers she's changed, But let me tell
Speaker 1: you from experience, I had a toddler in the newborn
Speaker 1: I was changing. I've never seen so much in my life.
Speaker 1: I have yet to be able to change a dirty
Speaker 1: diaper from a distance, right, Indeed, that doesn't happen. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you have mess to clean up, you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta roll up your sleeves and get in there. Like
Speaker 1: there's no way to do that from by proxy from
Speaker 1: a distance. So I'm not saying she doesn't have other responsibilities,
Speaker 1: but they gave her one job. So in addition to
Speaker 1: that one job, she has all these other things she
Speaker 1: needs to do. But that's her focus. And she says
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I'll get down there, you know by now,
Speaker 1: I'll get down there or want at some point. But
Speaker 1: she's at going him or maybe he's at her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we really don't know. This is by the way,
Speaker 1: every time he called, every time he says President Harris,
Speaker 1: you know what, perk up, we're finding out the true
Speaker 1: president here is to switch gears a little bit. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a bit interested. And how is it being uh
Speaker 1: a black woman in journalism? How has being a black
Speaker 1: woman impacted your rise in journalism? And of course have
Speaker 1: you experienced any racism or sexism in the industry, because
Speaker 1: I do find it particularly interesting when they talk about
Speaker 1: the fact that they'll often say there's no black person
Speaker 1: who's hosting a daytime show, uh and cable television, and
Speaker 1: clearly you're that. We've heard that for many years. You
Speaker 1: are already hosting, and they would often overlook you. And
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure people don't want to point any audiences
Speaker 1: towards Fox News Channel, a place where that shouldn't exist
Speaker 1: ist according to some people on the left. So how
Speaker 1: do you feel, how did how did this contribute to
Speaker 1: your rise? What are you thinking here? Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of the the mindset of diamond and rock.
Speaker 1: It takes, you know, tough times to polish that rock
Speaker 1: into something that's valuable. And so I've always welcomed the
Speaker 1: challenges that have come my way because I understand that
Speaker 1: they are driven sometimes out of jealousy, out of misunderstanding,
Speaker 1: out of assumption, out of the narrative that somebody has
Speaker 1: been handed that I don't get. So I've never I've
Speaker 1: never let it stop me. I have let it shine
Speaker 1: me on me. Um. You know, most recently, when I
Speaker 1: was broadcasting at one pm Eastern, I was beating broadcast networks.
Speaker 1: In fact, the third or fourth or fifth hour, Today's
Speaker 1: I don't know whom tone of UM are, Good Morning America,
Speaker 1: the third Hour or whatever it was with Michael Strachan.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were shows that went off the air.
Speaker 1: They were not approaching the ratings that we have. I'm
Speaker 1: out numbered. Over time, I worked very hard, and I
Speaker 1: do ascribe to the old adage of you know, when
Speaker 1: they see a person of color coming, because they're not
Speaker 1: many of us who occupy the space as content drivers
Speaker 1: in our industry, you know, the people who actually have
Speaker 1: to say in in creating shows. I'm a content driver.
Speaker 1: I'm a founding, not just talent number about Numbered. I
Speaker 1: helped create the foundation for that show with its predecessor,
Speaker 1: I did. I designed the pilots, spent that money doing it,
Speaker 1: and the network backed it. So Outnumbered was something that
Speaker 1: I worked on for a while. And the power that
Speaker 1: you get in this industry to change lives to the
Speaker 1: people around you, to create a legacy point for people
Speaker 1: of color, for women, or as I say, just an
Speaker 1: American who's got a dream comes from how valuable you
Speaker 1: make yourself on the job. And my goal all along
Speaker 1: the matter the color of my skin or my gender
Speaker 1: or whatever has has been decreed value for myself on
Speaker 1: the job. I want to be that person that when
Speaker 1: big bosses have a problem they call her as Faulkner
Speaker 1: to eliminate it. That we got a problem at new
Speaker 1: and something something's not reading. This was seven years ago April.
Speaker 1: We just celebrated our seventh anniversary birthday on member Congratulations
Speaker 1: what do you have? Because they know I'm a content driver.
Speaker 1: I write, I produced shows like that's I made. I'm
Speaker 1: one of Miami's I mean, I edited the product, so
Speaker 1: I'm all over everything in that sense, I want to understand,
Speaker 1: really really understand how we do our business on storytelling
Speaker 1: and journal wants and how has it done from the ground.
Speaker 1: And there have been times that I know that I
Speaker 1: have been kept at bay because, well, you know, we
Speaker 1: want to send you on the story. It's what I
Speaker 1: call the black girl stories, where they only send you
Speaker 1: on things that were people of color are happening. And
Speaker 1: I've had my fillowed that early in my career, and
Speaker 1: I said, I want you to send me on on news,
Speaker 1: not just places where race is involved. You know. Um, oh, well,
Speaker 1: and if that's my only value to me to you,
Speaker 1: then let me end my contract so I can find
Speaker 1: somebody who will utilize me for every thing that I have,
Speaker 1: not just the one thing that you consider to be amrit.
Speaker 1: I can't change the color of my skin, So if
Speaker 1: that's what you value most about me, I can't even
Speaker 1: enhance it. I'm just what I am. But if you're
Speaker 1: looking at my skills, I can enhance them. I can
Speaker 1: become more valuable to you day by day. And you know,
Speaker 1: race now is used like a weapon by people who
Speaker 1: don't even deserve to utter it from their lips. I'm
Speaker 1: losing an argument, your racist right what is that? And
Speaker 1: look at some of the Democrats against Senator Tim Scott,
Speaker 1: the racial slurs that were hurled at him, retweets from
Speaker 1: Democrat guests, not lawmakers necessarily, but strategists from my show,
Speaker 1: I haven't had the back on because they were retweeting
Speaker 1: that racist slur that Twitter curated to make a trend.
Speaker 1: That wasn't an algorithm that did that. Twitter exacts have
Speaker 1: human bodies that makes up trend. I wasn't aware of that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh I got all deep. We cover that
Speaker 1: story for days on on Falter Focus because I said, look,
Speaker 1: it trended on Twitter because somebody decided that Uncle Tim
Speaker 1: would take on Uncle Tom was incendiary and would further
Speaker 1: divide people and drive traffic all over the platform jump
Speaker 1: And that's what they did. And it took them eleven hours,
Speaker 1: after much requesting and everything. Took them eleven hours to
Speaker 1: take down that racial tweet and to and to make
Speaker 1: it not fiery. Every time somebody clicked on and retweeted it,
Speaker 1: twoter did would have wanted to, and thereby encouraged people
Speaker 1: to keep retweeting it. And many of them look just
Speaker 1: like you and me, And how could we do that
Speaker 1: to someone anyone, but let alone someone who looks like us.
Speaker 1: But you know, um, again, we started this conversation about bias.
Speaker 1: See I see it differently. I don't think that's just bias.
Speaker 1: I think that's Hey, absolutely, I don't disagree. We need
Speaker 1: the policy. Here for a quick break, but we'll be
Speaker 1: back in a second. You've been public about the fact
Speaker 1: that you're you're married. Um, you have interracial marriage, and
Speaker 1: you have bi racial kids, and you get a lot
Speaker 1: of hate for that, don't you. Oh yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know now I'm starting to disengage a little bit with
Speaker 1: people on those issues on platforms because my children are
Speaker 1: getting older and my biracial children are being told I
Speaker 1: had to have a conversation with a woke school administrator
Speaker 1: not too many days ago. I'll skip names and places
Speaker 1: and dates, but um, well, you know, we're trying to
Speaker 1: teach the children of color, um understanding about their journey.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, my child's journey is to get
Speaker 1: an education, or we're studying history and science and those things. Well,
Speaker 1: but we want them to understand that they're black and white.
Speaker 1: Oh you don't think they know? Have you? Have you
Speaker 1: seen my daughter's hair texture? We can go from fabulously
Speaker 1: Diana where else wig looking naturally to a blowout money
Speaker 1: that will make a Kardashian look like she fell into
Speaker 1: us Alon. We got everything covered here? So what are
Speaker 1: you teaching my girls? I mean, I need for you
Speaker 1: to teach them the part that I'm not teaching them
Speaker 1: while I'm at work. Oh well, you know, we pride
Speaker 1: ourselves on this is the administrator on giving the child
Speaker 1: the full experience. And I said, well, what what is
Speaker 1: a full experience for a viracial child? To you? Well,
Speaker 1: they must fully understand that society sometimes may be confused
Speaker 1: about who they are and they have to choose. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, choose what. Well, I can see that this
Speaker 1: is going in circles. I said, I'm glad you can
Speaker 1: see it, because I hate to give you a wrong impression.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do find that that people want to
Speaker 1: be helpful. I also find that they are wilful in
Speaker 1: their own ignorance, because what they don't understand is that
Speaker 1: the greatest help you can give me and my kids
Speaker 1: and my friend Giano Caldwell, it's a shot at the
Speaker 1: American dream and to call us American first. And I
Speaker 1: don't want you to give me a shot because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take one. That's it. That's it. We made up
Speaker 1: in our minds we're not asking for permission. We're going in.
Speaker 1: We're gonna put We're gonna put are all out there,
Speaker 1: and someone don't recognize it. We will put points on
Speaker 1: the board and the person who says, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that guy or that girl deserves a shot, they will
Speaker 1: be the lucky one. And I don't even use the
Speaker 1: word luck, They'll be the blessed one. Yeah. I love that.
Speaker 1: And you know, there there was nothing wrong with loving everybody,
Speaker 1: people to love somebody. That That's one thing that I
Speaker 1: think we learned in people in the streets. The peaceful
Speaker 1: protesters were side by side, and they were from every
Speaker 1: walk of life, absolutely word with each other. And George
Speaker 1: Floyd's death was worth The President of the United States,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and I sat and talked about that and
Speaker 1: I and he said, you know, he was curious about
Speaker 1: my perspective on it, and I said, well, for me,
Speaker 1: Floyd called out my name, you called that mom. So
Speaker 1: I came to it from a different perspective when I
Speaker 1: watched that video tape, and I love that conversation with
Speaker 1: the President. I mean, I like having real conversations with people.
Speaker 1: And if we learned nothing from last year, it is
Speaker 1: that we are in this together. And look at some
Speaker 1: of the peaceful protesters, and look at the people that
Speaker 1: we have in our lives, most of us. You know,
Speaker 1: you hear people talking about communities of color. Well, we
Speaker 1: live in America and there are people from all walk
Speaker 1: of all walks of life and neighborhoods. Now, there are
Speaker 1: poor neighborhoods, middle clas neighborhoods. But but I like to
Speaker 1: say that neighborhoods belong to all of us. And if
Speaker 1: there's a place that's hurting, like your former home in Chicago,
Speaker 1: the protesters should go there and help. Look at Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the statistics for them right now? But
Speaker 1: they're the most like dangerous place in America. Look at
Speaker 1: those numbers, Gianna, we're the protesters. Where are the protesters?
Speaker 1: I guess they don't want to protest those different plats
Speaker 1: who were in office and have been in the office
Speaker 1: and that in that city for five years or something.
Speaker 1: Even New York City, you see the dial up of
Speaker 1: the crime and the violence of a place which everyone
Speaker 1: celebrated in New York City is an American city. Is
Speaker 1: it was a crown jewel for for so long and
Speaker 1: things want to rye when they allow people to kind
Speaker 1: of run wild in the streets, and it's it's very disappointing.
Speaker 1: But thankfully we've seemingly turned at least a bit of
Speaker 1: a page and hopefully things can go in the right direction,
Speaker 1: especially with new leadership in these cities. No, I wanna
Speaker 1: before we let you go, because I know that you
Speaker 1: have a very, very valuable time and I appreciate that
Speaker 1: and thank you for spending so much of it with me.
Speaker 1: For my final question, I want to shift from the
Speaker 1: media to your upbringing. You grew up in a military family,
Speaker 1: and we know that your dad, God rest his soul,
Speaker 1: is no longer with us. He was a military man
Speaker 1: and in you wrote the best settling book, Nine Rules
Speaker 1: of Engagement, a military's bratt's Guide to life and success.
Speaker 1: Can you talk a bit about what it was like
Speaker 1: growing up in a military family and how that shaped
Speaker 1: you as to who you are today and what you believe.
Speaker 1: Thank you for mentioning my father. We did lose him
Speaker 1: on Christmas Day, so it's been a tough six months
Speaker 1: without Dad. We're seeing some of the first post that
Speaker 1: period holidays, Easter and Mother's Day and upcoming Father's Day
Speaker 1: without him. And he was such a huge pillar in
Speaker 1: our family, not not just my im media family, but
Speaker 1: all across the state of Texas where my parents were from.
Speaker 1: And I was born on a military base and in Lanta, Georgia,
Speaker 1: lived and Stookgard, Germany. He was at Command College at Levenworth, Kansas,
Speaker 1: lived there Fort Leavenworth, Fort monoth New Jersey, and throughout
Speaker 1: all of that moving around. UM I was born, raised
Speaker 1: in transferred on a brat and I have always known
Speaker 1: who I am and whose I am, and I belonged
Speaker 1: to the Lord, and I am dedicated to this country.
Speaker 1: And it just so happens that I chose a profession
Speaker 1: that has mentioned in the Constitution as such First Amendment
Speaker 1: free speech. I really have dedicated to hold and powerful accountable.
Speaker 1: And I'm dedicated to this idea and the pursuit of
Speaker 1: happiness and all things are possible. My father was called
Speaker 1: to serve in the Vietnam War at a time when
Speaker 1: colors only signs were rough and hits here and black's there,
Speaker 1: and we were in the South, and Um he used
Speaker 1: to say to his brothers. And they said this at
Speaker 1: his funeral, huge military the cemetery in Dallas National, Dallas
Speaker 1: Fort Worth National, very cold day and after Christmas um
Speaker 1: and you could hear my uncle's voices echoing, because of
Speaker 1: course we were all socially distanced. And they said, our
Speaker 1: brother Bob used to say that he would rather serve
Speaker 1: America than any other nation in the world, because even
Speaker 1: though she may struggle, the most potential for all of us,
Speaker 1: any of us, is here. So I grew up believing
Speaker 1: that and knowing that, and I don't have any doubt
Speaker 1: about that. So if we can make it through the
Speaker 1: fifties and sixties and early seventies, we can make it
Speaker 1: through two thousand and beyond. But we really have to
Speaker 1: think for ourselves, and we really have to be dedicated
Speaker 1: to goodness. So I think of it this way. The
Speaker 1: more we support each other and those in our our neighborhoods,
Speaker 1: the better off life is going to be. So get
Speaker 1: to know your neighbors, especially if they're police officers. You
Speaker 1: never know when you might have to call on one.
Speaker 1: Won't get to know all of your neighbors if they're
Speaker 1: in trouble and they have people in their lives where
Speaker 1: they need some shoring up. Mental health is not a crime.
Speaker 1: If you know of someone who hasn't left their house
Speaker 1: in a one and they want to go get a
Speaker 1: vaccination and they need help get anything, put on a
Speaker 1: mask and go get them. I'm fully vaccinated. So if
Speaker 1: it's outside a role anywhere, but help people out because
Speaker 1: the government doesn't have control over your heart. And that's
Speaker 1: how I was raised military. You've lived up people when
Speaker 1: they need your help. Wow, that was really, that was
Speaker 1: very deep. Thank you for that, for that impactful word
Speaker 1: and sharing your faith with us, sharing your your journey,
Speaker 1: your knowledge about an industry that really is supposed to
Speaker 1: provide that level of integrity and transparent and see when
Speaker 1: it comes to reporting just the facts as a journalist,
Speaker 1: opinion folks are totally different ballgames. We get that, but
Speaker 1: certainly thank you for for business model. It is, it is,
Speaker 1: it is, and it does quite well. Let's be prepared.
Speaker 1: As my mom used to say, every squirrel gets a nut.
Speaker 1: So every now and then the opinion folks may stumble
Speaker 1: up on some truth and they can work with it, um,
Speaker 1: but it's our job to to bring all of it
Speaker 1: to bear and to let the audience utilize that in
Speaker 1: their lives. Thank you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 1: And before I let you go, do you have anything
Speaker 1: new projects coming out? You've got another book, you're working on,
Speaker 1: what's next for you? You know? I always have something
Speaker 1: going on, So I will do specials, prime time specials. Um.
Speaker 1: I've recently did the second now, which I think is
Speaker 1: going to be a series that I'm I'm dedicated to,
Speaker 1: and that is looking at Police in America. In fact,
Speaker 1: that was the title of it was only a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. So I'm already thinking, um, where America
Speaker 1: needs to go with this whole idea of one order.
Speaker 1: I think it's really important. Um. And so that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of what I am working on. I'm also you know,
Speaker 1: Falter Focus is only two months old, and so I'm
Speaker 1: building out that show and sticking my toe back in
Speaker 1: the studio now and coming up with some ideas. So
Speaker 1: when when I'm back in there with Kaylee Mckininni and
Speaker 1: and Emily Company on out Numbered regularly, we'll be back
Speaker 1: for three days next week because their house hunting and
Speaker 1: doing other things coming from the you know, from Florida,
Speaker 1: from the West Coast, Seattle, wherever. So as soon as
Speaker 1: we're all kind of back in studio for more than
Speaker 1: just a few days at a time, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: focusing a lot on the shows that I do and
Speaker 1: coming forth with some new ideas for that because I
Speaker 1: like de freshon and of course having you on and
Speaker 1: having deep conversations. I'm really dedicated to bring in video
Speaker 1: now to the Falkner Focus. Um, that's my new thing.
Speaker 1: This week we had all of that exclusive video of
Speaker 1: people sing the border illegally, and our cameras were there
Speaker 1: and the border patrol was completely out numbered, and people
Speaker 1: need to know that. Into pitching idea to you, the
Speaker 1: summer's heating up in Chicago, send me as your man
Speaker 1: on the street there to cover what's really going on
Speaker 1: in the communities. Oh my gosh. Well, no, I have
Speaker 1: other places I want to send you to. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're really into it, yeah, I'm really into it,
Speaker 1: let's go. No, no, no, no, we need to go.
Speaker 1: We need to go see those communities by the colonial pipeline.
Speaker 1: We need to know what the reality of that situation
Speaker 1: really has been on the ground. I'm absolutely with you.
Speaker 1: Women have gone viral beating each other up because somebody
Speaker 1: cut in line at the gas station. When the Biden
Speaker 1: administration said that there were no shortages and then today said,
Speaker 1: well there might have been. We're trying to solve it
Speaker 1: by the weekend. We need you. Absolutely. I'm ready to
Speaker 1: go because I want to know the truth about that,
Speaker 1: about that situation, and would the with the Keystone pipeline
Speaker 1: have helped, and those foremen that I had on my
Speaker 1: show at the time, when at the Times January twentieth,
Speaker 1: for goodness says it's not like it was that long ago,
Speaker 1: and Biden said, we don't need keys still, I'm here
Speaker 1: to tell you the facts on the ground show us differently,
Speaker 1: he's deregulating. That's a Republican pod because what he's doing
Speaker 1: is not working. So he's deregulating, um the parameters so
Speaker 1: that ships who don't even have US flags can bring
Speaker 1: can bring those tankers in what you had, you had oil.
Speaker 1: And you say, find a new job in green energy.
Speaker 1: If I have a project, you might be my project. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I mean I'm curious. I want and now that
Speaker 1: I'm traveling again, I mean I'll go pop up. I've
Speaker 1: done border shows before, I did a primetime special on
Speaker 1: immigration right in the middle of the primary season. That's
Speaker 1: when you go, it's time, absolutely when Republicans get ready
Speaker 1: to flip the House and the Senate, and you know
Speaker 1: that's more than possible. That's historically what generally tally is.
Speaker 1: You're not something with me. You say you want to
Speaker 1: go the truth, and I said, I want you to
Speaker 1: to Okay, send me, I'll go absolutely. Well, thank you
Speaker 1: again here it's your crown jewel of reporting and obviously
Speaker 1: journalism in America. I think most people would agree with
Speaker 1: that because the survey shows that you're the most trusted
Speaker 1: voice at Fox News Channel and certainly one of the
Speaker 1: most trusted in our industry. So thank you for joining
Speaker 1: out Loud with Gianno called Well, Miss Harris Waukner, thank
Speaker 1: you for having I want to thank Herri's Warkner again
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