1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Up next, how woud the journal called part of the 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: gig which switch such dat book. Conservatives like to say 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: the mainstream media is biased, but at this point it's 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: completely outdated to refer to the media's quote unquote liberal 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: biases because we're no longer merely dealing with biased journalist. 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: Now we have some members of the mainstream media who 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: are Democrats with press passes, openly pushing a partisan agenda, 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: and as a result, fake news has become mainstream. This 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: is allowed with Gianno Caldwell, Welcome back to allow With 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: Gianno Caldwell, I got an exciting show for you guys 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: this week. My guests as the one and only Hare's 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: Faukner at six time Emmy Award winning journalist and when 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: I say journalists, I mean real journalists, big j journalists. 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: You can see Fawkner each week on the Fox News 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: Channel hosting both The Fawkner Focus and Outnumbered. Fockner, who 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: grew up in a military family, is also a best 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: selling author of The Nine Rules of Engagement, a military's 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: bratt's guide to life and Success, which came out in Today. 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,919 Speaker 1: Faulkner and I talked about the integrity of the press, 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: fake news at its worst in the state of journalism. 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: Let's go. Wow. You know what, I've never heard your 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: voice on podcast. My heart rate has now gone down. Oh. 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm so honored to have you here with me. I'm 24 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: so excited to be with you. No, no, I mean 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: it's it's really an honor. And I mean you're You're 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: just a veteran that one did a lot of us respect, 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: whether you be young or old. You're somebody that we 28 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: all look up to and hope to do as good 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: of a job as you, which we know it's nearly impossible, 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: but you know, one can help preparation absolutely. Now. I 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: think what's interesting is a lot of people may not 32 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: know what roots you came from from before you joined 33 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: Fox News Channel. A lot of people just kind of 34 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: think you you joined a Fox. You have a long 35 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: history of journalistic journalistic experience, starting at the local level. 36 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: Can you walk people through your background? Well? Sure, I 37 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: mean I started out in a very small market, Greenville, Washington, 38 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: New bern In that market, it was mainly known for 39 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: East Carolina University. It was a very small town that 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: I was in, the home of news citadat in Eastern Caroline. Um, 41 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: I'm trying to do my best giano. We were also 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: known for, unfortunately, m pretty deadly hurricanes in that area 43 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: and different types of of crime that would make national news. 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: Like my very first day on the job, my news director, 45 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: Roy Hardy, he was always clearing his throat, sweetest old man, 46 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: but he had a sixth sense of humor, and he said, well, 47 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna cut your teeth today. We've got either the 48 00:02:54,720 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: KKK rally or we have a man and holding people 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: hostage at East Carolina University. We think there's like some familiarity, 50 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: maybe a spouse or a girlfriend or something. They're in 51 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: the admissions office. Shots fire, and he looks around the 52 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: newsroom and I've got my back to everybody because I'm 53 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: facing him. My first opportunity to work Gana. They put 54 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: me on some some milk crates. There I am and 55 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: h on my milk crate, looking at the news director 56 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: with everybody else behind me at a desk, and I 57 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: don't know what the hand signals were or whatever, but 58 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: they chose that hostage situation for me. In a bright 59 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: pink suit, much like I'm wearing this dress today. I 60 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: had a pair of heels and Kevin O'Brien. He was 61 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: taking passed recently. He changed so many careers. He was 62 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: he was so good with reporters and honing us for 63 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: the rest of our careers. And he came over and 64 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: he was always eating. He always had like a long sandwich. 65 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: His car always had food. And he came over and 66 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: he was eating a sub and he goes, Harris, what 67 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: kind of a name is that? I said, well, boy, 68 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: He said, ah, well, look at you. You look like 69 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: a bottle of pep bo bismol. And I said really, 70 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: And he goes those shoes though, that's I don't I 71 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: don't know you can wear those heels. I mean, it's 72 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: potentially a killing scene. That's okay, let's roll. So we 73 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: get into his old station wagon with the panel doors. 74 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: I mean, the station didn't have a lot of money, 75 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: so our news vehicles look like leftovers from the Brady Duns. 76 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: So we get to the scene and there's national media 77 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: there because I mean East Carolina University is a huge 78 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: school and CBS has come from Rawleigh and everybody's there, 79 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: and because our team had gotten there and they were 80 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: switching like another reporter who'd been there since early that 81 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: morning out with me and someone said, who's that. Kevin goes, 82 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: that's a new girl. Are we calling girls now? Right? 83 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: And so I do my my first life hit ever 84 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: in my career, in my life, and shots fired again 85 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: and Kevin Kevin wants over and he goes, I got 86 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: a call from the news room. Apparently there's somebody out 87 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: here with a baby gun. Really, he goes, yeah, if 88 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: you're in a clicking noise. I was like, oh, do 89 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: you think they're close to us? And he goes, oh, 90 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: I think they're might close. So I was so nervous 91 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: that the little rubber plastic things on the back of 92 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: your heels had worn out on my shoes and the 93 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: metal was clicking on the cement. My legs are shaking, 94 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: and the multidirectional mike that he had on his camera 95 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: and my my handheld apparently something was picking it up. 96 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: And it was like the whole time I was talking, 97 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: and he goes, I don't know if your feet no 98 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: Morris covid, but can you take those things off? So 99 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: there I stood barefoot now the new Girl over eighteen 100 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: and the Evening News took a couple of my hits 101 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: because CBS couldn't get as close as we were baptism 102 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: under fire. There began my breaking news career and by 103 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: that night I had done probably for different affiliates around 104 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: the country. Probably what and how old were you at 105 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: this point? Uh? Four twenty four, first time live hit 106 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: and you're national in a local market. Wow. Yeah, I 107 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: wish I could see see some of that coverage. I'm 108 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: sure just outstanding, just pictures with me on the internet. 109 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: First of all, the hair arrived before I did, and um, 110 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: but I will tell you that three days later I 111 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 1: did get sent to that KKK rally, and the news 112 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: director then figured out that I was a serious person 113 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: and he came over and he said, you know, I 114 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: know it's only been a couple of days, but I 115 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: kind of like you. I'm kind of growing affectionate of 116 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: your work ethic. He said, I'm sending you to that 117 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,559 Speaker 1: KKK rally because they had changed because of the weather 118 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: and got a different permit or something. And now he's 119 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: just landing planes on my head because I don't know 120 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: what the heck he's talking about because my eyes are 121 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: this big. Um, well, no one can see us because 122 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: we're looks like a cartoon character where the cat's tail 123 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: gets stepped on in their eyes get real big. That's me. 124 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: And I said, well, what do you want me to 125 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: do with the rally? And he goes, I want you 126 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: to stay alive. I like, is that a choke? And 127 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: he goes no. He said, you know, the last couple 128 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: of reporters we've sent, you know, they came back. They 129 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: weren't sure if they wanted to do this as a career. 130 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: And he said, but I'm not sending you with some 131 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: kind of a test. It's going on and it's part 132 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: of what we do, and we're going to cover it. 133 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: And it's free speech, and they have a permit. A 134 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: couple of suggestions, don't talk from when people talk. If 135 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: you asked somebody a question, you need to listen. And 136 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: I said, why did the k k knot like to 137 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: be interrupted? He goes no, these are like lifetime suggests. Suggestion. 138 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: You know, I was so young and I said, well, 139 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: what's the other suggestion that you have for me? Mr Hardy? 140 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: And he said, I want you to be as good 141 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: every day as you were on that campus. I want 142 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: you to stay focused and to know what it should 143 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: be in your focus. And I said all those years 144 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: ago that if I ever got my own show named 145 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: after me would have that word in it. And it's 146 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: taken me a quarter centry to get here. And I 147 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: have the Faulkner Focus weekdays at eleven am on the 148 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: East Coast, and now we have the Fawkner Focus, as 149 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: you said, week days eleven am on the East Coast, 150 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: and you also host and actually the veteran centerpiece host 151 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: of Outnumbered. It well noon, How is that to have 152 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: these two hours, which you've been having two hours for 153 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: some time now, but just to go from your show 154 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: to Outnumbered and to be talking about these news stories 155 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: on a day to day basis, you know, Gosh, why 156 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: not hear people say blessed beyond measure? I always wonder 157 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: whether or not UM people really understand the meaning of 158 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: those words. And in the past year, I think I've 159 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: done eleven pandemic specials, a couple of them prime time. 160 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: Blessed to do a job and work for a corporation 161 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: where they are never offended by me talking about my 162 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: faith times and we know we've had some as a country. 163 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't prophesize on the air, but I when when 164 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: people ask me directly, how do you account for your success? 165 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: I say there, but by the grace of God, go live, 166 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: um and beyond measure because I didn't see all of it, 167 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: kind of some of it I didn't even ask for. 168 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: Some of it isn't exactly what I did ask for. 169 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: It's right on time, and it's by design. And so 170 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: every day I look at those two shows, the Faulkner 171 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: Focus and out Numbered as God's blessing my path. He 172 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: has expectations for me, and I have purpose in my life, 173 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: and I'm supposed to do the very best I can 174 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: for both of those categories to meet the expectations that 175 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: the Good Lord was set for me, which is to 176 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: do my work with integrity and honesty and respect for others. 177 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: Um with a little sense of humor sparkled in because 178 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,239 Speaker 1: I think that's what he wants me to be, and 179 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: that is such. I mean, you tell some really great stories, 180 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: but speaking of what's expected of you and mentioning and 181 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: tag grety and that's one of the reasons why I 182 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: wanted to speak with you today to talk about the 183 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: integrity of the press. Uh, fake news that is worse 184 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: than the state of journalism, which um, a lot of 185 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: people have said journalism isn't the journalism of your your 186 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: days back when you're in local television. Things have really 187 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: changed for a lot of people, and for years, a 188 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: lot of people, especially conservatives, have criticized the mainstream media 189 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: for his quote unquote liberal bias. But liberal bias implies 190 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: journalists are still doing their basic jobs of reporting their news, 191 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: just to some degree of bias and silantic coverage. Today, however, 192 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: it seems we've gone from biased journalists too in some 193 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: cases partisans democrats with press basses openly pushing a political agenda, 194 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: no longer even pretending to report the facts. What do 195 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: you think of that assessment? Is people have been talking 196 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: about that, whether it be on Fox News Channel or 197 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: anywhere else. Well, Gianna, I think you hit the nail 198 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: on the head. Um. We are on a journey, and 199 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: as we move through, what I like to say, from 200 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: adventure to adventure, we're going to some place we've along 201 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: the way we've never been before. Uh and is it 202 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: the best place to be? Well? I wish it were 203 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: just bias, but I see Haye as a black woman 204 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: in media. I see articles dedicated to why do they 205 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: leave her out? When they mentioned in the award winning journalists, 206 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: major publications, major broadcasts, what I call the alphabet suit networks, ABC, CBS, NBC. 207 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: I don't get offended because it's been the course for 208 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: my entire career. I'm not what everybody thought I was 209 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: going to be, and for some I'm not black enough. 210 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: I you know, I want both sides of the story, 211 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: but I want all sides of the story because they're 212 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: not they're normally not just too um. I want the 213 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: exclusive video that really shows what happened at the police 214 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: shooting of McKay ryan. I want that one. I want 215 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: the one from the neighbor on top of the garage, 216 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: not just the one we're being fed to the media 217 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: by someone's cell phone or whatever. I want the whole 218 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: spherical look at things. And then I want the space 219 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: and the grace to ask the good questions and not 220 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: to grade the answers. I want to stand in the 221 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: space that is so divided as a nation right now 222 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: and here from everybody. And I think we very hardy 223 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: for starting me out with a KKK rally because some 224 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: of the best interviews I've ever done in my career. 225 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: You know, not everybody have cell phone back then. So 226 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: I try to find that three quarterage tape that that weighs, 227 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, as much as my first child of earth. Um. 228 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: But they were listened to because I took his advice, 229 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: and when I asked a question, they talked to me. 230 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: They knew who they were talking to. I mean, I've 231 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: never been anything but blacks. They talk different at the rally. 232 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: But I take this experiences into today, where we're so 233 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: divided and the word racism is dropped everywhere, and I 234 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: see reporters, back to the point of your question. I 235 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: see reporters not even resisting saying well that's a quote, 236 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: or you know, I see them getting involved in the protests. 237 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: I see them like I I want to say that 238 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: that's not what's happening. But when I listen to their words, 239 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: I hear that that even the violent protesters have a 240 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: right to space. And they're quoting the mayors and the 241 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: and and the leadership in certain cities where things have 242 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: broken off and gotten violent, but they're not going to 243 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: those offices and demanding answers. Who's advocating for the business owners? 244 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: Like I see this on my shows and on Fox, 245 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: but I don't see that everywhere. So what I take 246 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: it to mean if you're not willing to go get 247 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: the whole truth, you must be complicit in the half truth. 248 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: And I don't like going there, so don't drag me. 249 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: So if you want to leave me out of stuff 250 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: as much as I you know, respect to appreciate. Why 251 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: didn't you give it a word to Harris Faulkner. Um, 252 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: Because I don't. I don't follow a narrative. I'm too 253 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: busy trying to figure out what's actually going on and 254 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: talking with people who may not agree with each other. 255 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: But it's important to talk to all side, you know. 256 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: And and we're in a space now where we have 257 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: a president who says I've been told not to take 258 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: questions Jinsaki, the White House Press secretary this week. Well 259 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: we'd rather he didn't. Really, Well, we'd rather he did 260 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: after that pipeline to Bakle and millions of people and 261 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: gas shortage situations across more than a dozen states. Um. 262 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: A reporter asked, so, Mr President, were you aware the 263 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: the private corporation Colonial took a five million dollar pot 264 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: of cash and gave it to the Russian hackers as ransom? 265 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: Now you know what that means. If one company does it, 266 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: fifty will do it. Maybe they already have been so 267 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: he had already walked away because he was He took 268 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: two questions, two or three questions. You know, I'm not 269 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: saying any moreries. You know he's gonna need a ben 270 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: a drill for the allergy he has. We're taking press questions. 271 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: So he comes back to the microphone and just to 272 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: lean in and say, I have no comment. I would 273 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: have follow it up with he's your comment that you 274 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: don't know the answer, or is your comment that you 275 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: can't say the answer? Shout it? If you have to 276 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: let him talk to you as he walks away. Make 277 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: it harder and harder and harder to be ignored as 278 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: a press because we only have one role to serve 279 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: the American people with great questions. We have one job. Now. 280 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: I do love her and makeup, but that's not my job. 281 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: I even put some on for this podcast. I appreciate that. 282 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: Before we move on, let's take a quick break back 283 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: in a second. It sounds like you're giving career advice 284 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: to a lot of those activist reporters out there, and 285 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: that brings you to my next question, because you you 286 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: mentioned something that I think people really especially those who 287 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: are enterppressed, those who work in our industry. During the 288 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: Trump era, we saw a slew of news reports saying 289 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: that Trump Bastlar military, colluded with Russia and so on. 290 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: Many of these reports had to be corrected or even retracted. 291 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: I want to go over a couple of specific ones 292 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: with you in a moment, But before then, pretty much 293 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: all of these reports relied exclusively on anonymous sources. As 294 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: a journalist, what do you think about the use of 295 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: anonymous sources and reporting? Is it too easily abused because 296 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: we see a lot of activism going on in journalism. Now, well, 297 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: let's get to what in anonymous sources, because apparently it 298 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: has a different meaning for everybody and aim. A source 299 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: is something that you and your news management all note together. 300 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: I don't trust any reporter who's the only person keeping 301 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: the information because we get kidnapped and killed all over 302 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: the world. What are you trying to do? Like you 303 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: got to tell somebody off the record, include and you 304 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: should tell people when you take people off the record. 305 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: Look as Connie Chung, between you and me is always 306 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: a point where people tune in with a microphone, honey. 307 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: So the way we as journalists are are trained to 308 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: do is I will make the determination with you and 309 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: my news management off the record now a lot of times, 310 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: if I know I'm going to do an interview, I'll 311 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: check in with our senior vice president of Daytime and 312 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: I'll say, look, if I'm called off the record, where 313 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: do we stand on that? And we'll talk about the 314 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: parameters of that. Uh. We would much prefer Harris that 315 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: would be on background, which means if you could corroborate 316 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: whatever information they give you with other sources, you can 317 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: use it. Because the reason somebody wants to go off 318 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: the record is because they don't want the finger pointed 319 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: at them. But anonymous sources is something different, because anonymous 320 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: sources can be someone that you don't want to tell 321 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: the public about. Well, then set off the record, you 322 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: know I And then if it's off the record, coroborated 323 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: in a different way so you can put it on 324 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: the record. But when you say anonymous sources, I start 325 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: to get nervous because are the sources also anonymous to 326 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: the recorder? Did you have a blind phone conversation? Assume 327 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: everything is recorded. Most of us live in one party 328 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: states anyway, So I can record somebody, I don't have 329 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: to get their permission. I always tell young reporters, be 330 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: careful when somebody says between you and me and I 331 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: want to remain anonymous, be careful the promises that you make, 332 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: because if they go out and kill somebody and they 333 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: told you about it, you got into brism. Wow, I didn't. 334 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. You you you you better be clear 335 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: on what was on and off the record, what you knew, 336 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: why you knew it, Because if they recorded and you 337 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: didn't know, when you're in a one party state and 338 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: they played the tape for the car, well, you know, 339 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: Harris Faulkner knew, do you want to call? Well? I 340 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: told him. I guess he thought we really really were, 341 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, not gonna tell anybody, But I felt like 342 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: I could tell somebody, and that reporter didn't talk me 343 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: out of it. I mean, look, even if you don't 344 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: go anywhere behind bars, you gotta you gotta spend your 345 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: heart on cash and try to defend yourself. Anonymous sources 346 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: make me nervous. Tell the public. I've learned this on background. 347 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 1: I've been able to source it to other people outside 348 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: my original source, who would like to remain unnamed. But anonymous, 349 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: we get into we get into trouble. With that concept 350 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: of someone not knowing anything about an individual. Look, it 351 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: didn't even work out for Assange's true, you know, I mean, 352 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: and it's okay to have quiet sourcing on things. It's responsible, 353 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: especially you know if I've had victims of rape come 354 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: to me and they're their allegis. Day. This was very 355 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: high profile, and what do we do. Well, I'm not 356 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: going to out the names of a of a rape victim. 357 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: We we know the by laws of journalism that you 358 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: can get somebody killed. So the point isn't to say 359 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: an anonymous source told me blah blah blah. Now, the 360 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: point is I have spoken exclusively and off the record 361 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: with a victim, but utilize some of the detail to 362 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: be able to work on the record sources to tell 363 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: you the following the nursing home story, couldn't even get 364 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: a return email from the Governor of New York, and 365 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: they knew I had solid information. So I found a 366 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: nurse in Boston who was a young woman as signed 367 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: had come here the governor on TV and said, oh, 368 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: they need my help in the middle of the pandemic. 369 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: I'll go stay at a Time Square hotel with a 370 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: bunch of nurses and doctors and and go volunteer and 371 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: at particularly nursing homes. That's where she was put take 372 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: a few pictures. That's what she did about the four 373 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: days she was crying. To her family. She was like, 374 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm seeing things. People are dying. They are giving us ppe. 375 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: Oh the story got bigger, and I do something on 376 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: the Falkner Focus and previously outnumbered over time because my 377 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: show used to follow out number. Now it comes previous 378 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: to it. They are previous, But I do something. I'm 379 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: looking out for you, So I always tell the viewer 380 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: something's going on. That's the local news part of me. 381 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: And you know that it's wrong and you want somebody 382 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: to look into it. Don't forget where I am. I mean, 383 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: my roots are an investigative journalism. My husband's one of 384 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: the best investigators I've ever met, investigative journalists. I always 385 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: say I didn't have an any before I met my Tony, 386 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: and he's so friendly. People don't even know, Oh, yes, 387 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: I killed him. I think he's gonna be able to 388 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: tell your things. So you know, when journalists say that 389 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: they have anonymous sources, have to start to ask, well, 390 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: are the sources anonymous to you? Do you know who 391 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: they are. Have you shared with your news management the 392 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: parameters of the secret keeping that you're doing. Is anybody's 393 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: life in danger by what you're holding onto? These are 394 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: things that have to be talked about. Now they don't 395 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: talk about the lunch room, but that's how it works, 396 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: and most people don't know the drill down down on that. 397 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: Reporters are made to look like you know, superheroes. Oh, 398 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: they know this, and they know that we know things 399 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: because people tell us and show us things, and if 400 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: we're really good at our jobs, will match the facts 401 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: that they're telling us with the perspective and the content 402 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: of doing information gathering around those facts to try to 403 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: get to the whole story. So, in essence, it can 404 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: easily be abused. But that's why you gotta be able 405 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 1: to source things for yourself and not just trust an 406 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: anonymous source in that way. Is that what you're saying. Yeah, 407 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: you'll hear me say this on the air all the time. 408 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: So and so even if it's routers or AP, they'll 409 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: say a source only known to routers or you know, 410 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: I don't ever see them use the word anonymous sources necessarily, 411 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: but they'll say, you know, we've done quiet sourcing on 412 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: this or whatever. And I will always say I at 413 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: Box News cannot independently bear I do it with video 414 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: all the time. You know, the a people say this 415 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: video shows and I mean, well, it purports to show that, yes, 416 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: but that you never get the whole clip. And there's 417 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: always that point where just outside the finger that was 418 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: covering the lens, and the next clip the finger gets 419 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: moved and you're like, oh my gosh, that's bob. Oh 420 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: we do know blah blah blah blah blah. But they'll 421 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: send you some weirdly edited video or whatever and it 422 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: purports to show, is what I'll say. And until we 423 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: can we do that with video from from different countries, 424 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: I'll say, you know, uh, this video appears to show 425 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Now, if it's the Iron Dome and 426 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: they're firing rockets from Gaza and blowing up houses, we 427 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: often see that who apparently is doing this We found 428 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 1: out in that conflict that's going on right now between Hamas, 429 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: the terrorist organization in Israel. UM they now aren't just 430 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: doing stuff in the air, They're they're doing stuff on 431 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: the ground. Uh. And the Palestinian people who are caught 432 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: in the center of this and the Israeli people who 433 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: are Caughton center this. It's it's heartbreaking, but it very 434 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: much is. Moss is a terrorist group and when they 435 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: do stuff, we may not be able to call the 436 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: terrorist name, but we know where the rockets are coming from. 437 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: So that's kind of different. But when you look at 438 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,239 Speaker 1: video and you're asked to believe something based on a 439 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: little bit that's been edited, that's when it's time to 440 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 1: go deeper at what I want to see among our 441 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: young journalist, Giano. I want to see that suspension of 442 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: automatic belief when somebody tells you something. And to my 443 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: next point and my next question to you, because I 444 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: think that's the perfect jump off, I want to go 445 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: through a couple of egregious examples of the media really 446 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: messing up news stories and then get your thoughts on them. 447 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw the Washington Post report and early 448 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: January the President Trump pressor Georgia's top election investigator to quote, 449 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: find a fraud in the election. It turns out that 450 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: the Post reporting was blatantly fosse. In fact, two months later, 451 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: the paper stated that it misquoted Trump's comments on the 452 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: phone call in question, and that he never actually said 453 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: find the fraud. This seems to be like it's should 454 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: be pretty straightforward. Just listen to the recording of the 455 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: phone call and report what was said. How can a 456 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: professional journalists mess that up unless they want to make 457 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: the president look bad? It just seems I don't understand 458 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: that piece. Well, first of all, anybody looking at that 459 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: a news manager whom ever, has got to be and 460 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: this is the word that's key, curious enough to say, 461 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: let's listen to the whole calls we have it. They 462 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: reported a half truth because undoubtedly they reported half of 463 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: bocus on the tape, they didn't listen to it. When 464 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: you listen to it, you see you hear the context 465 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: in the perspective of what the president was saying, because 466 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: you hear all of his words. That's case in point 467 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: of what I was just saying, You've got to be 468 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 1: curious enough to listen to the whole thing. And then too, 469 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: did anybody pick up the phone and said, Mr President, 470 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: we're about to go with the story. What did you 471 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: mean when you said this? That makes your story more powerful, 472 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: by the way, because then you can say, well, we 473 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: have this tape and when we first got this tape, 474 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: we were told it said one thing. Now we realize 475 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 1: when you really listen to the whole thing, it says this, 476 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 1: we contacted the current president, who, by the way, there 477 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: were very few times you couldn't get Trump on the 478 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: phone to say something. If you really really tried, either 479 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: him or one of his people, Um, you might even 480 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: play the tape for them. And then you get the 481 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: benefit of asking, well, where were you on this issue? 482 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: You get the benefit of asking and oh, by the way, 483 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: if you do your job really well, and you sit 484 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: down with the President of the United States at the 485 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: hype of the pandemic and rioting in the streets of 486 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: this country last June of and he tries to tell 487 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: you that he's done more for black folks than Lincoln. 488 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: Because you know your history and you know his you 489 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: get to say this, Mr President, we are for you. Yeah, 490 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: you get to say that because you're you're you're a 491 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: student of history and I'm talking about myself last year. 492 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: And then that's when you sat down with the president. 493 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: That's when when you sat down with the president. Try 494 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: in Texas at a mega church like fourteen hours before 495 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: you had a quarantine to come back to our houses, 496 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: and we would have been staying at the hotels trying 497 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: to get home. The pandemic was on fire at that point. 498 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: And why do I say all of that, because then 499 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: we got to further the conversation. We wouldn't even deeper 500 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: and had conversations about rapes alluding in the shooting. Well, 501 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: it came to them here, Mr President, It came from here, 502 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: and I told him. And you know, in my career 503 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: there have been probably count on one hand times when 504 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 1: other journalists write about my work, and Mainstream Columbia Journalism 505 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: Review wrote a whole article about that interview and how 506 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: to do it. It takes patience and preparation, and you 507 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: gain the respect of the person across from you because 508 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: you're willing to do two things. Ask real questions and 509 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: listen to their answers completely, and don't edit them to 510 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: the point where their answers are unrecognizable when they get 511 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: the air, Like Rhonda Santas, is that your next example? No, no, no, 512 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: I mean that that just came to you said edited, 513 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: And um, I think back to that interview he did 514 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: for that Sunday show, and um, the masking about COVID 515 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: and donations by the grocery store. And I mean it 516 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: seems as though again activism and journalism trying to especially 517 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: for those who may be conservative, trying to make them 518 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: appear in a light that isn't true. And one has 519 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: to ask, um, we get where are we going with this? 520 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: Because it's gotten to the point where you really can't 521 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: trust the media in the sense that we used to 522 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: used to say. Okay, well, the AP reported it, The 523 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: New York Times reported it, this other outlet reported it's true. 524 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: I believe what they're saying because obviously they're going to 525 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: source their information independently, you would assume. But we're seeing 526 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: a lot of headlines, especially under the last four years 527 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: of Trump, where things were just simply putting not true. 528 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: It was like in a lot of cases, and clearly 529 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: he's willing to sit down and take tough questions and 530 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: and as president and and after Um, so getting at 531 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: the truth is not impossible to do, but you have 532 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: to want it. You have to actually want the truth 533 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: more than you want the narrative that you and maybe 534 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: your news manager sent human to get. Yeah, I mean, 535 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: you have to want the truth. And you know, one 536 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: that I think of now is all of the rhetoric, 537 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: and Liz Cheney was one of them to going after 538 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: former President of Trump on the bounties. Oh yeah, like 539 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: she's getting you know, democratic love right now because Republicans 540 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: fired her recently from the conference chair post. But let's 541 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: not forget who we're talking about here, Like that there 542 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: was no information that there were bounties on the heads 543 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: of Americans soldiers. It was being reported and the president, Oh, 544 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: why did you press Russia and blah blah blah blah 545 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And then you find out 546 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: that wasn't actually true. And I've had senators on my 547 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: program and say, we looked at the Intel at the time. 548 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: If there was a country putting bounties on the head 549 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: of American soldiers, look how many serving members of Congress 550 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: and the Senate of the House and Senate or form 551 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: a military My gosh, we'd be umpired to go do 552 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: something about that. But the Intel showed that that wasn't 553 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: the case yet. And you would expect people across the 554 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: bottle wild run with it because it serves their political purposes, 555 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: and how it sounded the media to get there. And 556 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: this is and this is what really becomes because I 557 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: remembering people going the Intel community going on politically, yeah, 558 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: no question about it. But it's it's amazing to me 559 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: to see so many in the media reported as as 560 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: the gospel, and they've done such a job to turn 561 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: uh kind of the main you know, center, not Center America, 562 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: not not the flyover States per se. But folks in 563 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: New York, folks in l A. Make them believe that 564 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: they can't trust what goes on in conservative media because 565 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: it's so quote unquote so biased. But then you look 566 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,479 Speaker 1: at things that are being said over with the New 567 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: York Times and other outlets where it's just frankly just 568 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: not found it not true, and people will believe a 569 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: story simply put because it was in the New York Times. 570 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: Now I'm interested in no one from you find says obviously, 571 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: and I work for Fox News Channel, and everybody knows 572 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: that this is listening to. So Um what makes Fox 573 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: different than all the others. Clearly we've been the number 574 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: one voice and number one watch for many many years. Um. Clearly, 575 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: you're real journalists who has integrity and you want to 576 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: get to the story. You want to get to the facts, 577 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: no matter how it makes anyone. Look, whether it be 578 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: Donald Trump or Republican or Democrat, facts are facts, and 579 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: that's what it is what makes us so different than 580 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: the rest. I'm not afraid to go counter to any 581 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: narrative that's there. I'm not And I think we are 582 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: bold and we are scrappy at Fox, and we have 583 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: a healthy sense of skepticism. And I don't believe something 584 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: that is written just because it's at the time to 585 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: the post. But even that young journalists on her first 586 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: day in her mid twenties didn't believe with them. First 587 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: of all, I know everybody has an agenda, everybody's got 588 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: a point of view. And I learned in school that 589 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: there's no such thing as being without bias. We all 590 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: have biases. You have to be objective and a truth sircer, 591 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: sir searcher and a truth seeker. But we all come 592 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: to the table with our life experiences and our point 593 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: of view. It's sometimes they can serve as well to 594 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: ask even better questions. So I think it's too much 595 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: to assume that anybody is going to come at their 596 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: job without a point of view. The question is can 597 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: they still be professional and a Fox we're different, We 598 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: don't hide the fact that we're hungry at all times, 599 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: starved for what we don't see, because see, we're gonna 600 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: get eight plates of what everybody sees. We're really interested 601 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: in what's behind angle all of it, what's underneaed, what's 602 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: behind the curtain. And that's really what makes this different. 603 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: And you know, when you look at the current administration, 604 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: the Biden administration, we're more than a hundred days now. 605 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: There are simultaneous crises going on, and I know they 606 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: don't like the word crisis, so let's use what the 607 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 1: words really are their disaster, multiple fronts. You sent FEMA 608 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: to our border with Mexico because we had a hundred 609 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: and seventy two thousand people flowing over. You sent FEMA 610 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: to disaster and that's in one month, the number you 611 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: just quoted April. Yeah, those are those recent numbers. We 612 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: had a disaster go on after you canceled Keystone pipeline 613 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: in your first day president two billion dollars in wages. 614 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: Then we really could have used some extra coil when 615 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: colonial got hacked and I don't even think you knew 616 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: all the details of that because they played some ransom 617 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: of five million dollars and you might have wanted to 618 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,720 Speaker 1: know that we could see another one next week based 619 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,919 Speaker 1: on appcating if I'm a hacker, I'm going dang this, 620 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: Hayes comedies are crazy. Come on, come on, how does 621 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: that make sound? It's got some truth to it because 622 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: we don't have all eyes on the topic. And when 623 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: the President was asked about it today, he leaned in 624 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: and said no comment, and not a reporter among them shouted, 625 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: what do you mean by no comment? You don't know 626 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: or you don't want us to know. Get out the 627 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: record with that stuff. They were all over Trump, which 628 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: is why when I sat down with him, I respected 629 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: his time. He took questions, every question, and I realized 630 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: that that's part of the president's job, and he accepted that. 631 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: I love Biden once a part of this job. I mean, 632 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: it looks like maybe he doesn't or has been told 633 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: not to want uh. He said today, Oh, you know, 634 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: I hate not to take your I love taking your question. 635 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: And then he took two or three and walked away. 636 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, that's how you express load for 637 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: taking questions. What does it look like when you don't 638 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: want to Oh, they're the same thing. They're so confused 639 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: we got a lot going on that feel like and 640 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: our legitimate disasters. What's happening at our police departments now? 641 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: Look at New York Mayor de Blasio just said he 642 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: wants to maybe I want to take another look at 643 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: that defund situation. They took away a billion dollars in 644 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: the midst of all the rioting last summer, and it 645 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: didn't even get anybody off the streets right away. That 646 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: the streets don't They're insatiable. They don't have any leadership 647 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 1: of the streets. I mean that the women who founded BLM, 648 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: the organization, not the movement. They're pusy, bad houses vacation. 649 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: They were'ty be going to Chicago where black and black 650 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: crime is off the schizzl. You know, I know a 651 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: lot about that. I know you do. I know you do, 652 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: And I hope you talked to your audience about the 653 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: truth in these matters because they won't see it depending 654 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,439 Speaker 1: on what they're watching. They need to be watching pop. 655 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: Now you were talking about Biden. Do do you get 656 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 1: the sense that maybe he's being controlled, that's why he 657 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: doesn't give questions, gives you will see oftentimes when uh, 658 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: it comes time for that period of staff will say yeah, 659 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: we're not gonna do any questions, or he will ask them. Now, 660 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: I get it, a president will allow some discretion when 661 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: it comes to their staff, but it seems as though 662 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: he's really being withheld in some of these instances. To me, 663 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 1: it does, and I'm not sure about your your thoughts 664 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: on that. So I brought up a point on an 665 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: out number that the panels seemed to really agree with today. UM, 666 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: So I don't think anybody ended up being outnumbered in 667 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: this conversation, but I just made an observation based on 668 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 1: my own journalistic experience. Um, sometimes people don't want others 669 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 1: to take questions because they are concerned that certain language 670 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: maybe us that the administration is working on purging. So 671 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: why would yours walkers say that about President Bidens administration 672 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: Because we know that they don't like to say the 673 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: word crisis. They don't, and we know that he did 674 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: and when he said it, his press secretary and others 675 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: corrected him publicly. The president was not correct. When I 676 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: calls that is humiliating, Yeah, it is. It's like you're 677 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: talking about your child at that point. So my question 678 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: today is who is the president capitulating to that he 679 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: feels that he needs to be cut to his knees 680 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: when it comes to how he wants to talk about things. 681 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: The most powerful man probably on planet was certainly in 682 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: three moral the Western wre And the interesting part about that, though, 683 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: this isn't the first time that's happened, if you recall 684 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 1: during his time as Vice president Obama administration, he gave 685 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: an interview where he endorsed gay marriage, and the Obama 686 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: administration did not want to and he was lished on 687 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: the sideline no more in media interviews for months months, 688 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: months on end, if you recall that that time. So 689 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: he uh, certainly is a person that you would naturally 690 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: see go off script. But the distinction here is your president, 691 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: what you say should go and you tell your staff 692 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: what to do, not the other way around. It's not. 693 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't. And you know, you bring up such an 694 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: excellent point, Gianna. Back then it was going off script, 695 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:33,240 Speaker 1: counter to administration. Right now it is counterscript to administration. 696 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: We don't know who Joe Biden's because he's not allowed 697 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: to tell us. And if you think he's showing us 698 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: through his progressive ways of things that he signed on 699 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: his first day, executive orders and all these are killing 700 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: the pipeline and raising taxes and doing all these things, 701 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: since he's definitely showing us the ways of the most 702 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: progressive people in his party. And when Alexandria Cazzia Cortez 703 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: and the prior days to the election, was caught up 704 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: with by cameras on Capitol Hill and walking fast and 705 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: they said, what are you gonna do about Joe Biden 706 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: if he doesn't want to kind of go left with you? 707 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: The reporters, I don't know who they were. In my head, 708 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: that's how they all sound so and I guess I 709 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: sound like that too when I'm running. Uh. She said, 710 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: we're going to push him. You know what, I believe 711 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: people when they show you who they are pushing him. 712 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: Question is, why does the most powerful man allow that, 713 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: like what is going on behind the scenes for Joe 714 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: Biden that he says words like oh, I can't I 715 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: can't say anything about I'll get in trouble. So you know, 716 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: he's fully vaccinated, and I know he's an older man, 717 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: and you do want to protect him. He's the president 718 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: of the United States. I get it. He's at an 719 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,240 Speaker 1: outdoor event that's a car event. Everybody's mask the cars 720 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: are I don't know how far away, but you couldn't 721 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: see him in the picture. He can't find his mask. 722 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: He's taken it off suddenly and he's on this big 723 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,479 Speaker 1: day is and people are running to him, including his wife, 724 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: Jill Biden, and he leaves in the wife, I can't 725 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: find my mask. I'm gonna be in trouble. What does 726 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: he need? I mean, I have children, I have I 727 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: have a sixth grader. She knows the meaning of the 728 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,240 Speaker 1: words I'm in trouble. I'm so blessed with bright, well behaved, 729 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 1: super smart girls. Every now and then they have a 730 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: mouth on him like their mother, and they'll say something. 731 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, they don't get in trouble. Who's the Harris Walker? 732 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: At this point, we need to put him on the show. 733 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: Are you smarter than the sixth grader? I mean, we 734 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: need to find out. This is a real question. We 735 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: need production companies. Where are you? We really need to 736 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: know that. You know, it's thank you for your insight 737 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 1: on that, because I know not everyone's We're not all 738 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: crazy to be thinking that something is up with the 739 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: Biden administration. It just doesn't make it's not making sense. 740 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: We had the idea that Kamala Harris is gonna be 741 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: running the show. And if she's running the show, she's 742 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,479 Speaker 1: not doing too good of a job at it because 743 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: we've not seen her on the boarder. Yeah, that one job. 744 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: Have you seen her on the board yet they give 745 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 1: her a disaster to go handle. Yeah, this is the thing. 746 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: If you're not willing to go and put eyes and 747 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: ears on something, how can you fix it? Now? I look, 748 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure the woman is wonderful with children. I don't 749 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: know how many diapers she's changed, But let me tell 750 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: you from experience, I had a toddler in the newborn 751 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: I was changing. I've never seen so much in my life. 752 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: I have yet to be able to change a dirty 753 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: diaper from a distance, right, Indeed, that doesn't happen. I mean, 754 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: when you have mess to clean up, you gotta you 755 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 1: gotta roll up your sleeves and get in there. Like 756 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: there's no way to do that from by proxy from 757 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,760 Speaker 1: a distance. So I'm not saying she doesn't have other responsibilities, 758 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: but they gave her one job. So in addition to 759 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: that one job, she has all these other things she 760 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,240 Speaker 1: needs to do. But that's her focus. And she says 761 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I'll get down there, you know by now, 762 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: I'll get down there or want at some point. But 763 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: she's at going him or maybe he's at her. Yeah, 764 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 1: we we really don't know. This is by the way, 765 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 1: every time he called, every time he says President Harris, 766 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,439 Speaker 1: you know what, perk up, we're finding out the true 767 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: president here is to switch gears a little bit. You know, 768 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 1: I'm a bit interested. And how is it being uh 769 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: a black woman in journalism? How has being a black 770 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: woman impacted your rise in journalism? And of course have 771 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: you experienced any racism or sexism in the industry, because 772 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: I do find it particularly interesting when they talk about 773 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 1: the fact that they'll often say there's no black person 774 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 1: who's hosting a daytime show, uh and cable television, and 775 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 1: clearly you're that. We've heard that for many years. You 776 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: are already hosting, and they would often overlook you. And 777 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure people don't want to point any audiences 778 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: towards Fox News Channel, a place where that shouldn't exist 779 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: ist according to some people on the left. So how 780 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 1: do you feel, how did how did this contribute to 781 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,399 Speaker 1: your rise? What are you thinking here? Well, first of all, 782 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm kind of the the mindset of diamond and rock. 783 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: It takes, you know, tough times to polish that rock 784 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: into something that's valuable. And so I've always welcomed the 785 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 1: challenges that have come my way because I understand that 786 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: they are driven sometimes out of jealousy, out of misunderstanding, 787 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 1: out of assumption, out of the narrative that somebody has 788 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: been handed that I don't get. So I've never I've 789 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,240 Speaker 1: never let it stop me. I have let it shine 790 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: me on me. Um. You know, most recently, when I 791 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: was broadcasting at one pm Eastern, I was beating broadcast networks. 792 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 1: In fact, the third or fourth or fifth hour, Today's 793 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,760 Speaker 1: I don't know whom tone of UM are, Good Morning America, 794 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: the third Hour or whatever it was with Michael Strachan. 795 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there were shows that went off the air. 796 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 1: They were not approaching the ratings that we have. I'm 797 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: out numbered. Over time, I worked very hard, and I 798 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 1: do ascribe to the old adage of you know, when 799 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,799 Speaker 1: they see a person of color coming, because they're not 800 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: many of us who occupy the space as content drivers 801 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 1: in our industry, you know, the people who actually have 802 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: to say in in creating shows. I'm a content driver. 803 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm a founding, not just talent number about Numbered. I 804 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: helped create the foundation for that show with its predecessor, 805 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,359 Speaker 1: I did. I designed the pilots, spent that money doing it, 806 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: and the network backed it. So Outnumbered was something that 807 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: I worked on for a while. And the power that 808 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: you get in this industry to change lives to the 809 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,760 Speaker 1: people around you, to create a legacy point for people 810 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: of color, for women, or as I say, just an 811 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 1: American who's got a dream comes from how valuable you 812 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: make yourself on the job. And my goal all along 813 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 1: the matter the color of my skin or my gender 814 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: or whatever has has been decreed value for myself on 815 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,439 Speaker 1: the job. I want to be that person that when 816 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: big bosses have a problem they call her as Faulkner 817 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,839 Speaker 1: to eliminate it. That we got a problem at new 818 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,359 Speaker 1: and something something's not reading. This was seven years ago April. 819 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 1: We just celebrated our seventh anniversary birthday on member Congratulations 820 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: what do you have? Because they know I'm a content driver. 821 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,359 Speaker 1: I write, I produced shows like that's I made. I'm 822 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: one of Miami's I mean, I edited the product, so 823 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,359 Speaker 1: I'm all over everything in that sense, I want to understand, 824 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,839 Speaker 1: really really understand how we do our business on storytelling 825 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 1: and journal wants and how has it done from the ground. 826 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 1: And there have been times that I know that I 827 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,880 Speaker 1: have been kept at bay because, well, you know, we 828 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 1: want to send you on the story. It's what I 829 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 1: call the black girl stories, where they only send you 830 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,880 Speaker 1: on things that were people of color are happening. And 831 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: I've had my fillowed that early in my career, and 832 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: I said, I want you to send me on on news, 833 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: not just places where race is involved. You know. Um, oh, well, 834 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: and if that's my only value to me to you, 835 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: then let me end my contract so I can find 836 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 1: somebody who will utilize me for every thing that I have, 837 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 1: not just the one thing that you consider to be amrit. 838 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 1: I can't change the color of my skin, So if 839 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,919 Speaker 1: that's what you value most about me, I can't even 840 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:51,399 Speaker 1: enhance it. I'm just what I am. But if you're 841 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: looking at my skills, I can enhance them. I can 842 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,400 Speaker 1: become more valuable to you day by day. And you know, 843 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,239 Speaker 1: race now is used like a weapon by people who 844 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,879 Speaker 1: don't even deserve to utter it from their lips. I'm 845 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 1: losing an argument, your racist right what is that? And 846 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,320 Speaker 1: look at some of the Democrats against Senator Tim Scott, 847 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 1: the racial slurs that were hurled at him, retweets from 848 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,720 Speaker 1: Democrat guests, not lawmakers necessarily, but strategists from my show, 849 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: I haven't had the back on because they were retweeting 850 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: that racist slur that Twitter curated to make a trend. 851 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,400 Speaker 1: That wasn't an algorithm that did that. Twitter exacts have 852 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: human bodies that makes up trend. I wasn't aware of that. 853 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh I got all deep. We cover that 854 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: story for days on on Falter Focus because I said, look, 855 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 1: it trended on Twitter because somebody decided that Uncle Tim 856 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: would take on Uncle Tom was incendiary and would further 857 00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: divide people and drive traffic all over the platform jump 858 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 1: And that's what they did. And it took them eleven hours, 859 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,799 Speaker 1: after much requesting and everything. Took them eleven hours to 860 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 1: take down that racial tweet and to and to make 861 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: it not fiery. Every time somebody clicked on and retweeted it, 862 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:22,240 Speaker 1: twoter did would have wanted to, and thereby encouraged people 863 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 1: to keep retweeting it. And many of them look just 864 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: like you and me, And how could we do that 865 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 1: to someone anyone, but let alone someone who looks like us. 866 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,360 Speaker 1: But you know, um, again, we started this conversation about bias. 867 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: See I see it differently. I don't think that's just bias. 868 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,919 Speaker 1: I think that's Hey, absolutely, I don't disagree. We need 869 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: the policy. Here for a quick break, but we'll be 870 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: back in a second. You've been public about the fact 871 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 1: that you're you're married. Um, you have interracial marriage, and 872 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 1: you have bi racial kids, and you get a lot 873 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: of hate for that, don't you. Oh yeah, and you 874 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,040 Speaker 1: know now I'm starting to disengage a little bit with 875 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 1: people on those issues on platforms because my children are 876 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:15,520 Speaker 1: getting older and my biracial children are being told I 877 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,759 Speaker 1: had to have a conversation with a woke school administrator 878 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: not too many days ago. I'll skip names and places 879 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 1: and dates, but um, well, you know, we're trying to 880 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 1: teach the children of color, um understanding about their journey. 881 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,439 Speaker 1: And I said, well, my child's journey is to get 882 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: an education, or we're studying history and science and those things. Well, 883 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: but we want them to understand that they're black and white. 884 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: Oh you don't think they know? Have you? Have you 885 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,320 Speaker 1: seen my daughter's hair texture? We can go from fabulously 886 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: Diana where else wig looking naturally to a blowout money 887 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: that will make a Kardashian look like she fell into 888 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: us Alon. We got everything covered here? So what are 889 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 1: you teaching my girls? I mean, I need for you 890 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,640 Speaker 1: to teach them the part that I'm not teaching them 891 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,880 Speaker 1: while I'm at work. Oh well, you know, we pride 892 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,400 Speaker 1: ourselves on this is the administrator on giving the child 893 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,920 Speaker 1: the full experience. And I said, well, what what is 894 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 1: a full experience for a viracial child? To you? Well, 895 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,400 Speaker 1: they must fully understand that society sometimes may be confused 896 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: about who they are and they have to choose. And 897 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,759 Speaker 1: I'm like, choose what. Well, I can see that this 898 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,920 Speaker 1: is going in circles. I said, I'm glad you can 899 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,880 Speaker 1: see it, because I hate to give you a wrong impression. 900 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I do find that that people want to 901 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,319 Speaker 1: be helpful. I also find that they are wilful in 902 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 1: their own ignorance, because what they don't understand is that 903 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: the greatest help you can give me and my kids 904 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 1: and my friend Giano Caldwell, it's a shot at the 905 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,640 Speaker 1: American dream and to call us American first. And I 906 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,399 Speaker 1: don't want you to give me a shot because I'm 907 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 1: gonna take one. That's it. That's it. We made up 908 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,239 Speaker 1: in our minds we're not asking for permission. We're going in. 909 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna put We're gonna put are all out there, 910 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: and someone don't recognize it. We will put points on 911 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,719 Speaker 1: the board and the person who says, yeah, I think 912 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,399 Speaker 1: that guy or that girl deserves a shot, they will 913 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,239 Speaker 1: be the lucky one. And I don't even use the 914 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,359 Speaker 1: word luck, They'll be the blessed one. Yeah. I love that. 915 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,880 Speaker 1: And you know, there there was nothing wrong with loving everybody, 916 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 1: people to love somebody. That That's one thing that I 917 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 1: think we learned in people in the streets. The peaceful 918 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,360 Speaker 1: protesters were side by side, and they were from every 919 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: walk of life, absolutely word with each other. And George 920 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,320 Speaker 1: Floyd's death was worth The President of the United States, 921 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and I sat and talked about that and 922 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,279 Speaker 1: I and he said, you know, he was curious about 923 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,759 Speaker 1: my perspective on it, and I said, well, for me, 924 00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,520 Speaker 1: Floyd called out my name, you called that mom. So 925 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,719 Speaker 1: I came to it from a different perspective when I 926 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,719 Speaker 1: watched that video tape, and I love that conversation with 927 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,360 Speaker 1: the President. I mean, I like having real conversations with people. 928 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:16,880 Speaker 1: And if we learned nothing from last year, it is 929 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,319 Speaker 1: that we are in this together. And look at some 930 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,000 Speaker 1: of the peaceful protesters, and look at the people that 931 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 1: we have in our lives, most of us. You know, 932 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,440 Speaker 1: you hear people talking about communities of color. Well, we 933 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 1: live in America and there are people from all walk 934 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,839 Speaker 1: of all walks of life and neighborhoods. Now, there are 935 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: poor neighborhoods, middle clas neighborhoods. But but I like to 936 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 1: say that neighborhoods belong to all of us. And if 937 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,799 Speaker 1: there's a place that's hurting, like your former home in Chicago, 938 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,040 Speaker 1: the protesters should go there and help. Look at Baltimore. 939 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: Have you seen the statistics for them right now? But 940 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,200 Speaker 1: they're the most like dangerous place in America. Look at 941 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,320 Speaker 1: those numbers, Gianna, we're the protesters. Where are the protesters? 942 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,239 Speaker 1: I guess they don't want to protest those different plats 943 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,000 Speaker 1: who were in office and have been in the office 944 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: and that in that city for five years or something. 945 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,880 Speaker 1: Even New York City, you see the dial up of 946 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 1: the crime and the violence of a place which everyone 947 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,120 Speaker 1: celebrated in New York City is an American city. Is 948 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: it was a crown jewel for for so long and 949 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,680 Speaker 1: things want to rye when they allow people to kind 950 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: of run wild in the streets, and it's it's very disappointing. 951 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,759 Speaker 1: But thankfully we've seemingly turned at least a bit of 952 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,960 Speaker 1: a page and hopefully things can go in the right direction, 953 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,320 Speaker 1: especially with new leadership in these cities. No, I wanna 954 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,359 Speaker 1: before we let you go, because I know that you 955 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,480 Speaker 1: have a very, very valuable time and I appreciate that 956 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,440 Speaker 1: and thank you for spending so much of it with me. 957 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: For my final question, I want to shift from the 958 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,880 Speaker 1: media to your upbringing. You grew up in a military family, 959 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,640 Speaker 1: and we know that your dad, God rest his soul, 960 00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,839 Speaker 1: is no longer with us. He was a military man 961 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: and in you wrote the best settling book, Nine Rules 962 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,719 Speaker 1: of Engagement, a military's bratt's Guide to life and success. 963 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,279 Speaker 1: Can you talk a bit about what it was like 964 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,880 Speaker 1: growing up in a military family and how that shaped 965 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: you as to who you are today and what you believe. 966 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for mentioning my father. We did lose him 967 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:23,000 Speaker 1: on Christmas Day, so it's been a tough six months 968 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,840 Speaker 1: without Dad. We're seeing some of the first post that 969 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,120 Speaker 1: period holidays, Easter and Mother's Day and upcoming Father's Day 970 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,080 Speaker 1: without him. And he was such a huge pillar in 971 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,520 Speaker 1: our family, not not just my im media family, but 972 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,640 Speaker 1: all across the state of Texas where my parents were from. 973 00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,680 Speaker 1: And I was born on a military base and in Lanta, Georgia, 974 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 1: lived and Stookgard, Germany. He was at Command College at Levenworth, Kansas, 975 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,640 Speaker 1: lived there Fort Leavenworth, Fort monoth New Jersey, and throughout 976 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,240 Speaker 1: all of that moving around. UM I was born, raised 977 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,120 Speaker 1: in transferred on a brat and I have always known 978 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,120 Speaker 1: who I am and whose I am, and I belonged 979 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 1: to the Lord, and I am dedicated to this country. 980 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,040 Speaker 1: And it just so happens that I chose a profession 981 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,720 Speaker 1: that has mentioned in the Constitution as such First Amendment 982 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,680 Speaker 1: free speech. I really have dedicated to hold and powerful accountable. 983 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,800 Speaker 1: And I'm dedicated to this idea and the pursuit of 984 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,400 Speaker 1: happiness and all things are possible. My father was called 985 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,080 Speaker 1: to serve in the Vietnam War at a time when 986 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,960 Speaker 1: colors only signs were rough and hits here and black's there, 987 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:41,200 Speaker 1: and we were in the South, and Um he used 988 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,160 Speaker 1: to say to his brothers. And they said this at 989 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:50,280 Speaker 1: his funeral, huge military the cemetery in Dallas National, Dallas 990 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:58,200 Speaker 1: Fort Worth National, very cold day and after Christmas um 991 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,320 Speaker 1: and you could hear my uncle's voices echoing, because of 992 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,800 Speaker 1: course we were all socially distanced. And they said, our 993 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,040 Speaker 1: brother Bob used to say that he would rather serve 994 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,560 Speaker 1: America than any other nation in the world, because even 995 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,760 Speaker 1: though she may struggle, the most potential for all of us, 996 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,360 Speaker 1: any of us, is here. So I grew up believing 997 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,280 Speaker 1: that and knowing that, and I don't have any doubt 998 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,280 Speaker 1: about that. So if we can make it through the 999 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,040 Speaker 1: fifties and sixties and early seventies, we can make it 1000 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:38,760 Speaker 1: through two thousand and beyond. But we really have to 1001 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,920 Speaker 1: think for ourselves, and we really have to be dedicated 1002 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:49,920 Speaker 1: to goodness. So I think of it this way. The 1003 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,320 Speaker 1: more we support each other and those in our our neighborhoods, 1004 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,560 Speaker 1: the better off life is going to be. So get 1005 00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,240 Speaker 1: to know your neighbors, especially if they're police officers. You 1006 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,920 Speaker 1: never know when you might have to call on one. 1007 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,840 Speaker 1: Won't get to know all of your neighbors if they're 1008 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,240 Speaker 1: in trouble and they have people in their lives where 1009 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,800 Speaker 1: they need some shoring up. Mental health is not a crime. 1010 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: If you know of someone who hasn't left their house 1011 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,560 Speaker 1: in a one and they want to go get a 1012 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,560 Speaker 1: vaccination and they need help get anything, put on a 1013 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,760 Speaker 1: mask and go get them. I'm fully vaccinated. So if 1014 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:35,880 Speaker 1: it's outside a role anywhere, but help people out because 1015 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,280 Speaker 1: the government doesn't have control over your heart. And that's 1016 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,960 Speaker 1: how I was raised military. You've lived up people when 1017 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,800 Speaker 1: they need your help. Wow, that was really, that was 1018 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,120 Speaker 1: very deep. Thank you for that, for that impactful word 1019 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,200 Speaker 1: and sharing your faith with us, sharing your your journey, 1020 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,960 Speaker 1: your knowledge about an industry that really is supposed to 1021 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,600 Speaker 1: provide that level of integrity and transparent and see when 1022 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,360 Speaker 1: it comes to reporting just the facts as a journalist, 1023 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,720 Speaker 1: opinion folks are totally different ballgames. We get that, but 1024 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,360 Speaker 1: certainly thank you for for business model. It is, it is, 1025 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,240 Speaker 1: it is, and it does quite well. Let's be prepared. 1026 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,360 Speaker 1: As my mom used to say, every squirrel gets a nut. 1027 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,440 Speaker 1: So every now and then the opinion folks may stumble 1028 01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,720 Speaker 1: up on some truth and they can work with it, um, 1029 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 1: but it's our job to to bring all of it 1030 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,680 Speaker 1: to bear and to let the audience utilize that in 1031 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,520 Speaker 1: their lives. Thank you so much for joining me today. 1032 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,360 Speaker 1: And before I let you go, do you have anything 1033 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,000 Speaker 1: new projects coming out? You've got another book, you're working on, 1034 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,520 Speaker 1: what's next for you? You know? I always have something 1035 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:42,560 Speaker 1: going on, So I will do specials, prime time specials. Um. 1036 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,120 Speaker 1: I've recently did the second now, which I think is 1037 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,360 Speaker 1: going to be a series that I'm I'm dedicated to, 1038 01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,760 Speaker 1: and that is looking at Police in America. In fact, 1039 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,280 Speaker 1: that was the title of it was only a couple 1040 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:59,600 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. So I'm already thinking, um, where America 1041 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,320 Speaker 1: needs to go with this whole idea of one order. 1042 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,320 Speaker 1: I think it's really important. Um. And so that's that's 1043 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,840 Speaker 1: kind of what I am working on. I'm also you know, 1044 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 1: Falter Focus is only two months old, and so I'm 1045 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,520 Speaker 1: building out that show and sticking my toe back in 1046 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,520 Speaker 1: the studio now and coming up with some ideas. So 1047 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:24,520 Speaker 1: when when I'm back in there with Kaylee Mckininni and 1048 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,840 Speaker 1: and Emily Company on out Numbered regularly, we'll be back 1049 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,840 Speaker 1: for three days next week because their house hunting and 1050 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,520 Speaker 1: doing other things coming from the you know, from Florida, 1051 01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,280 Speaker 1: from the West Coast, Seattle, wherever. So as soon as 1052 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,160 Speaker 1: we're all kind of back in studio for more than 1053 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,960 Speaker 1: just a few days at a time, I'm gonna be 1054 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,280 Speaker 1: focusing a lot on the shows that I do and 1055 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,680 Speaker 1: coming forth with some new ideas for that because I 1056 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 1: like de freshon and of course having you on and 1057 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,320 Speaker 1: having deep conversations. I'm really dedicated to bring in video 1058 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,200 Speaker 1: now to the Falkner Focus. Um, that's my new thing. 1059 01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,520 Speaker 1: This week we had all of that exclusive video of 1060 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,439 Speaker 1: people sing the border illegally, and our cameras were there 1061 01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,000 Speaker 1: and the border patrol was completely out numbered, and people 1062 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,560 Speaker 1: need to know that. Into pitching idea to you, the 1063 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,520 Speaker 1: summer's heating up in Chicago, send me as your man 1064 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,000 Speaker 1: on the street there to cover what's really going on 1065 01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,160 Speaker 1: in the communities. Oh my gosh. Well, no, I have 1066 01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:18,880 Speaker 1: other places I want to send you to. I mean, 1067 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,800 Speaker 1: if you're really into it, yeah, I'm really into it, 1068 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,560 Speaker 1: let's go. No, no, no, no, we need to go. 1069 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,080 Speaker 1: We need to go see those communities by the colonial pipeline. 1070 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,720 Speaker 1: We need to know what the reality of that situation 1071 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,360 Speaker 1: really has been on the ground. I'm absolutely with you. 1072 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,560 Speaker 1: Women have gone viral beating each other up because somebody 1073 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,720 Speaker 1: cut in line at the gas station. When the Biden 1074 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,120 Speaker 1: administration said that there were no shortages and then today said, 1075 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,000 Speaker 1: well there might have been. We're trying to solve it 1076 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,280 Speaker 1: by the weekend. We need you. Absolutely. I'm ready to 1077 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,440 Speaker 1: go because I want to know the truth about that, 1078 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,920 Speaker 1: about that situation, and would the with the Keystone pipeline 1079 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,080 Speaker 1: have helped, and those foremen that I had on my 1080 01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,880 Speaker 1: show at the time, when at the Times January twentieth, 1081 01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,760 Speaker 1: for goodness says it's not like it was that long ago, 1082 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,400 Speaker 1: and Biden said, we don't need keys still, I'm here 1083 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,480 Speaker 1: to tell you the facts on the ground show us differently, 1084 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:12,880 Speaker 1: he's deregulating. That's a Republican pod because what he's doing 1085 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,360 Speaker 1: is not working. So he's deregulating, um the parameters so 1086 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,560 Speaker 1: that ships who don't even have US flags can bring 1087 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:25,360 Speaker 1: can bring those tankers in what you had, you had oil. 1088 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,720 Speaker 1: And you say, find a new job in green energy. 1089 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:32,280 Speaker 1: If I have a project, you might be my project. Yeah, 1090 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,400 Speaker 1: because I mean I'm curious. I want and now that 1091 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm traveling again, I mean I'll go pop up. I've 1092 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,760 Speaker 1: done border shows before, I did a primetime special on 1093 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,960 Speaker 1: immigration right in the middle of the primary season. That's 1094 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,640 Speaker 1: when you go, it's time, absolutely when Republicans get ready 1095 01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,480 Speaker 1: to flip the House and the Senate, and you know 1096 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:57,200 Speaker 1: that's more than possible. That's historically what generally tally is. 1097 01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,640 Speaker 1: You're not something with me. You say you want to 1098 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,120 Speaker 1: go the truth, and I said, I want you to 1099 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,400 Speaker 1: to Okay, send me, I'll go absolutely. Well, thank you 1100 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:11,040 Speaker 1: again here it's your crown jewel of reporting and obviously 1101 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,920 Speaker 1: journalism in America. 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