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Speaker 2: at one Bill's Live. A little over a week away

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Speaker 2: now from the super Bowl, it was groundhog Day today.

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Speaker 2: Steve Good News Punks a tawny Phil as well as

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Speaker 2: Dunkirk Dave, our own resident groundhog here in western New York,

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Speaker 2: neither saw their shadow, which means early spring. And apparently

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Speaker 2: I heard Al Roker mention this on the Today Show

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Speaker 2: this morning. It's only like twenty times in the last

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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty nine years that the groundhog has

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Speaker 2: not seen his shadow. It's very rare. Really, Yeah, come on,

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Speaker 2: I'm just repeating what Al Roker said. He could be

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Speaker 2: completely wrong, But I'm I think I should be able

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Speaker 2: to trust a network meteorologist.

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Speaker 1: Al would be one of the most trustworthy voices regarding

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so it hasn't happened. Off, I didn't realize it

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Speaker 2: was that infrequent.

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Speaker 1: Now, what years were they? And how is the spring

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Speaker 1: in those years?

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Speaker 2: That is a good question, that's and you know, here

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Speaker 2: we are in twenty twenty three and we're still pinning

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Speaker 2: our hopes on an early spring on a rodent. But

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Speaker 2: you know, far be it from me to criticize, because

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Speaker 2: I probably don't know any better than the roadents.

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Speaker 1: So right as good as a way as any Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: Have to look up how that all is there?

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Speaker 1: A way?

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Speaker 2: When did when did the groundhog become the species of authority? On?

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Speaker 2: How much longer winter was going to last? You know

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Speaker 2: what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Question? You know, it's it's interesting well because up until

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Speaker 1: the current point in history, it would have taken you

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Speaker 1: a long time to research that, but now with you

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Speaker 1: know the internet and all that, you can do it

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Speaker 1: in two seconds. Maybe that's why we haven't found that

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Speaker 1: out before, because nobody's really interested. After the day groundhog

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Speaker 1: days over, nobody really cares to research it. Yeah, find

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Speaker 1: out how that came about. I'm taking a look at it.

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Speaker 1: Although the movie Groundhog Day with you know, with Bill Murray,

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Speaker 1: and it's a very good movie. I like it, but

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Speaker 1: it does lend itself to, you know, a festival here

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Speaker 1: and there. I'm all about that Groundhog Day festival where

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Speaker 1: it comes out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, drink some.

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Speaker 1: Hot, hot chocolate.

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Speaker 2: The tradition comes from Germany. On an old religious holiday

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Speaker 2: called Candlemas Day. Candlemas Day, the Germans paid attention to

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Speaker 2: the badger. Candlemas Day was the midpoint between the winter

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Speaker 2: solstice and the spring equinox. If the badger saw its shadow,

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Speaker 2: it meant a second winter was coming. When the practice

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Speaker 2: came to the US in eighteen eighty seven, they chose

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Speaker 2: They chose a groundhog because badgers aren't native to eastern

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Speaker 2: North of America. They're more out in the Midwest. While

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Speaker 2: it may seem random, there is some logic to turning

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Speaker 2: to the groundhog for weather predictions. Like badgers, groundhogs, also

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Speaker 2: known as woodchucks or whistle pigs, are considered true hibernators.

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Speaker 2: When they emerge from hibernation, it means winter is almost over.

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Speaker 2: In winter months, their body temperature drops to sixty two degrees.

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Speaker 2: Holy cow, look at this stuff you learn on the internet. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: So candle moss Day is the origin from German Germany.

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Speaker 2: There you go, look at that. A two minute search

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Speaker 2: and we have our answers. Isn't life grand?

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Speaker 1: And next year I'm gonna have to look it up

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Speaker 1: again because I will have forgotten everything about candle moss Day,

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Speaker 1: German Badgers and the like.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's unbelievable how much the groundhog's body slows down

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Speaker 2: during hibernation. It goes from sixteen breaths a minute to

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Speaker 2: two when it's hibernating. What what that is a deep sleep?

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Speaker 2: That's almost a dirt nap, right, you're dangerously close two

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Speaker 1: Know, right, Holy mackerel, that's yeah, that's hibernation. You are out, dude.

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Speaker 2: Sixty two degrees is your body temp. The guy's covered

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Speaker 1: Think about this. How about waking up from that nap?

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Speaker 1: That's a long That is a sleepyhead right there.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna need to stretch out for about five or

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Speaker 1: Right, Wake up, sleepyhead, Wake up? Sleep ahead, Like wait,

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Speaker 1: let me get three breaths of mine first.

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Speaker 2: Sure, crick in the neck, how deep you gotta.

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Speaker 1: That's not sleep though, that's unconscious comatose, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: that is dead to the world.

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Speaker 2: Who that's something that's Can you imagine can you imagine

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Speaker 2: the Germans back in the day trying to convince a

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Speaker 2: badger to you know, let's go check in with a badger,

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Speaker 2: Like badgers are not remotely approachable, Like those are not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're kind animals, scrappy little guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, trumped only by wolverines, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? Like, yeah, badger is not friendly, right, they're

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Speaker 2: not friendly. Now, how you orchestrating that every like, forget it,

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Speaker 2: We'll just wait it out. We don't need to know, right,

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Speaker 2: That's what I'd be doing with the.

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Speaker 1: Badger, Like, yeah, I'm good, I'm good. At the show.

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Speaker 1: We would sit Jake, go check it. So we see

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Speaker 1: sending somebody else. They're holding up ja hairs, go check

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Speaker 1: the badger.

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Speaker 2: They're holding up punks and Tawny feel like the Lion king.

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Speaker 2: You know. They got him up.

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Speaker 1: There like he didn't you know, and he's he's showing

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Speaker 1: on a piece of celery. You know, he's like all happy,

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Speaker 1: he didn't care. Yeah, not a badger. No, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: They got those big claws and everything. Like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a difference between a five pound woodchuck and

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Speaker 1: a thirty pound badger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is that what they go? Have you ever seen one?

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a badger?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Not in the wild? No, well, I wait, maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: like once or twice in a while, but only fleetingly,

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Speaker 1: you know. You know, it's not like you get out

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Speaker 1: there and they I've seen them on nature not like yes,

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Speaker 1: it's not like they come out and walk the runway

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Speaker 1: so you can get a look at them, you know.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I've seen a lot of wild animals. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I've ever seen a badger. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen a wolverine.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to.

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Speaker 1: I've seen some bobcats and and and lynx, and I've

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Speaker 1: seen those bears, have not seen in captivity. I've spent

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Speaker 1: some moose deer, obviously.

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Speaker 2: I'll see no badger.

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Speaker 1: I think a moose has got to be the biggest. Well,

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Speaker 1: I depending on what size of the bear was.

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Speaker 2: Now, did you now, growing up, did you know these

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Speaker 2: animals as groundhogs or did you know them by one

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Speaker 1: Would well, you know, like the badger doesn't go to

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Speaker 1: the northeast, Well, woodchucks don't really come down into the

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Speaker 1: midwest Kansas area. We didn't have woodchucks. I thought, what

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Speaker 1: I When I saw him, I was like, well, what's that?

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Speaker 1: And I've never heard it called a whistle pig, by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, neither of I. But when I grew up, we

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Speaker 2: on the east coast, because we would you could. You'd

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Speaker 2: see him in New Jersey along the highway, you know,

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Speaker 2: Badger's or wood We would call him woodshop.

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Speaker 1: You see it everywhere.

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Speaker 2: We didn't call him groundhogs. And I don't know, you

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Speaker 2: just kind of learned that they're one and the same,

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Speaker 2: because you know, you'd learned about Groundhog Day in school

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Speaker 2: and whatever else. But good on, good on Punk Satawny

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Speaker 2: Phil and Dunkirk Day for not seeing their shadow, which

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Speaker 2: hopefully does in fact mean, and I wonder think.

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Speaker 1: About it, they both didn't see their shadow.

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Speaker 2: I have Punksatanni's Phills degree of accuracy. Let's hear it,

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Speaker 2: what would you guess Punk Satawny Phil's degree of accuracy

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Speaker 2: is in predicting a long winter or an early spring.

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Speaker 1: I would say fifty to fifty and.

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Speaker 2: You would be incorrect. He is worse than that, oh

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Speaker 2: is he? Punksatani? Phil has only been right thirty of

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Speaker 2: the time. Crap I was all excited that he's predicting

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Speaker 2: an early spring. He's only right thirty percent.

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Speaker 1: Of the time. Wait a minute, does Dunkirk dave? I

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Speaker 1: don't have his recording average.

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Speaker 2: I mean you know, I don't have his record handy.

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Speaker 2: He's not right. Is universally known.

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Speaker 1: That's bad.

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Speaker 2: Bro, Come on, that's not good.

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Speaker 1: It is not good. And I got to tell you

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Speaker 1: to what is Maybe we should go back to the

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Speaker 1: definition of an early spring. Well, they gray area, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's think about this. So early spring, well, the

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Speaker 2: so the spring solstice or the equinox. The spring equinoxes

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Speaker 2: March twenty first, right, that's when it's twelve hours a day,

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Speaker 2: twelve hours a night, and then so that's six weeks

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Speaker 2: about six seven weeks from seventh from Groundhog Day, right,

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Speaker 2: So they're just saying winter will go right up to

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Speaker 2: the spring equinox. If he says it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a long winter, six more weeks of winter. If it's

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Speaker 2: an early spring, that means the weather should break sometime

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Speaker 2: before that. Of course they're not telling you when. They'll

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Speaker 2: just tell you it's gotta be earlier than usual.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's gonna Yeah, and we've seen it break both ways. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it breaks good and then it get whacked with seventeen

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Speaker 1: inches on May fifth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for that. So you know, it is what

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Speaker 2: it is. Okay, it's an interesting exercise. It's it's largely

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Speaker 2: entertainment based now, yeah, I mean he's these rodents have

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Speaker 2: Twitter handles and social media accounts and everything. So yah

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Speaker 2: it that's where we are. That's where we are these days.

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Speaker 2: I always wondered if if meteorologists were a little put

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Speaker 2: off by the attention that, you know, a couple of

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Speaker 2: groundhogs get around the country, you know, like talking about

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Speaker 2: it's kind of stealing the spotlight thing. It's like this,

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Speaker 2: guys are doing it every day, right, and women are

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Speaker 2: doing it every day. Not only this, we got this

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Speaker 2: guy comes out of nowhere after sleeping for you know,

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Speaker 2: half the winner, and you know he's the star of

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 1: And how about this. Not only do they do it

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Speaker 1: like once a year. Nobody even keeps track as to

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Speaker 1: whether they're right.

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Speaker 2: Or not, except for that one thing that I looked up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah nobody, Yeah, nobody remembers.

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Speaker 1: Six remembers it seriously.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess you would remember if you get blitz

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Speaker 2: with a snowstorm on March twenty second. That damn Phil.

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Speaker 2: He was wrong. He told us it was going to

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Speaker 2: be an early spring, and look at what we got. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, enough about Groundhog Day. We got to get

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Speaker 2: back to the news of the day concerning the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 2: and what that is is some transactions on the coaching staff.

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Speaker 2: The Bills have named senior defensive assistant Al Hulcomb their

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Speaker 2: new linebackers coach. He replaces Bobby Babbage, who was named

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Speaker 1: Who'd take it? Who they traded with at twelve? I

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Speaker 2: But yeah, there are always there are ways to do it.

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Speaker 2: And then our good friend Alex Van Pelt has been

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Speaker 1: Making Joe Flacco look like a world beater. Yeah, getting fired. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Alex told them point blank.

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Speaker 2: You gotta be telling those candidates, we'll probably hafting a quarterback, right, like,

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Speaker 1: You're not only you're not only going to draft a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: That's how you pitch it. Not only we're gonna draft

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Speaker 2: we all share the health and safety side and the

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Speaker 2: committee a desire to take what is now with a

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Speaker 2: twenty two percent return rate, a very infrequent return, and

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Speaker 2: turn it into a more exciting play. We believe you

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Speaker 2: can increase the return rate substantially and not increase the

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Speaker 2: risk beyond that found on your typical rush or pass play.

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Speaker 2: So we need to design something to do that. So

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Speaker 2: and they are going to take a look at the

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Speaker 2: kick return play that the XFL instituted last year, which

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Speaker 2: is dramatically different from an NFL kickoff. The kicker stands

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Speaker 2: by himself at the thirty yard line, his other ten

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Speaker 2: teammates stand at the opposite thirty five yard line. Receiving

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Speaker 2: team has to put ten players on their own ten

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Speaker 2: yard line, So ten guys from the kicking team and

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Speaker 2: ten guys from the return team are five yards away

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Speaker 2: from each other at the kick, and then they the

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Speaker 2: coverage team cannot move from their spot on the thirty

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Speaker 2: five yard line until the returner catches the ball, so

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Speaker 2: it's like a tag up situation. He catches the ball,

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Speaker 2: then the coverage team can run and try to go

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Speaker 2: tackle them. But if you watch it live, and I've

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Speaker 2: watched a few of these, it reduces the force of

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Speaker 2: the collisions considerably. Well, yeah, because you've only got a

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Speaker 2: five yard run up and you got guys right in

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Speaker 2: front of you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why not unlike a line of scrimmage. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: you're trying to get the interference the blockers at the

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Speaker 1: saint going in the same direction and the moment with

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Speaker 1: the momentum as the guys covering the kick, because obviously

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Speaker 1: back in the day you had ten guys on eleven

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Speaker 1: on one team, ten on the other running at each

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Speaker 1: other and nobody's trying to avoid They're always banging. They're

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Speaker 1: just literally crashing into each other on purpose, and obviously

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Speaker 1: that was pretty destructive. So that, yeah, yeah, I'll always

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Speaker 1: seen it. I've not seen it. I've interesten it. I

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Speaker 1: like the way it sounds. I would probably say I

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Speaker 1: would like a like a first whistle so that the

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Speaker 1: official turns the guys loose on the front line instead

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Speaker 1: of waiting to the kick. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: When he when the official hits the whistle, when the

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Speaker 1: guy he watches it so they don't have to watch.

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Speaker 2: That, he watches return man catch the ball.

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Speaker 1: And then he hits the whistle, just a quick toot

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Speaker 1: on the whistle, and that's like a like a drill

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Speaker 1: in practice, so that you could and if somebody leaves early,

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Speaker 1: then you'd know he left before the whistle. And then

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Speaker 1: a whistle after that then it's over, you know.

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Speaker 2: So that's supposed to be debated considerably by the Competition

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Speaker 2: Committee this offseason. It's also expected that the hip drop

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Speaker 2: tack he is going to be outlawed this off season

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Speaker 2: going forward, because they said the hip drop tackle is

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Speaker 2: twenty to twenty five percent more likely to cause injury

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Speaker 2: than a typical tackle. That's what their research findings showed. Well,

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Speaker 2: and we've seen examples of it.

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Speaker 1: It's just like the horse collar tackle, you know, the

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Speaker 1: drop tackle, you know, cut blocks, and it happens every year,

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Speaker 1: and this is more of it. Those guys they don't

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Speaker 1: know all the old geezers like me.

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Speaker 2: They don't even they I don't know how to tackle,

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Speaker 2: and they don't even tackle.

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Speaker 1: I don't even you don't know about pain they're.

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Speaker 2: Playing, Paddy.

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Speaker 1: Well, the simple fact of the matter is they're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to do any of that stuff. Yeah, they're not allowed,

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Speaker 1: and they're disciplined enough not to do it. So you know,

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Speaker 1: you can call say what you want. It's not that

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Speaker 1: those guys wouldn't tackle or couldn't tackle if you'd let them,

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Speaker 1: but they don't let them. They just don't let them.

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Speaker 2: We want to remind you, it's the OBL Friday fan

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Speaker 2: mail bag. So any questions you have on the bills,

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Speaker 2: Eight o three oh five fifty one eight eight eight

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Speaker 2: We got open lines for you there. If you can

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Speaker 2: call and don't have time to do so, you can

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Speaker 2: hit us up on the tweet sheet at one Bill's

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Speaker 2: Live with your question. We'll do our best to get

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Speaker 2: to yours and answer it. Also want to let you

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Speaker 2: know that coming up in the second hour of the show,

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Speaker 2: we will have Austin Gail from The Ringer. He will

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Speaker 2: be joining us to talk about some off season developments,

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Speaker 2: including an interesting write up that he had on the

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Speaker 2: playoff teams that did not make it to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: He basically said, what is one pressing question for every

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Speaker 2: playoff team that did not reach the Super Bowl? It's

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Speaker 2: an interesting read at the Ringer dot com. So we'll

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Speaker 2: catch up with Austin in the second hour of the show,

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Speaker 2: but in the meantime, phone lines are open for you.

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Speaker 2: Eighth three oh five point fifty one eight eight eight

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Speaker 2: five fifty two five fifty. The number to get on board,

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Speaker 2: and while we wait for some phone calls to come in,

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Speaker 2: we will check the tweetsheet first, which, as we know,

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Speaker 2: is brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official

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Speaker 2: equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. Tom says or asks,

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Speaker 2: what if anything can be due to lessen the cap

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Speaker 2: hit from von Miller's contract. Well, you can go back

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Speaker 2: to the table and see if there is a way

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Speaker 2: to take base salary money and put it into a

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Speaker 2: bonus that would allow you to amortize the money over

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Speaker 2: the remaining life of the contract. All you're doing, though,

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Speaker 2: is pushing his cap hits into the future further, and

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Speaker 2: knowing that the Bills have an out in his contract

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Speaker 2: next year at this time, I would think they might

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Speaker 2: be reluctant to do that. They could also go to

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Speaker 2: him and say, hey, look, would you be willing to

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Speaker 2: take a pay cut. I don't sense that that would

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Speaker 2: be a road they want to go down with Vaughn

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Speaker 2: per se, although his lack of production and the willingness

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Speaker 2: the team had to keep putting him out there to

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Speaker 2: let him get back into shape, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: that earns them any good will. Hard to say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna live with Vaughn another year. And the

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Speaker 1: only the best hope you can have is that when

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Speaker 1: it comes to this point next year there's an enormously

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Speaker 1: heated debate about keeping him, there would be no debate

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Speaker 1: this year. Next year you can hopefully you get to

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Speaker 1: the point where people are going, I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: he played great, you know that kind of thing. They'll

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Speaker 1: have that option, and it's gonna be an. It's I'm

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Speaker 1: still high on Vaughan. I feel still think he's got

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Speaker 1: some gas in his tank. He's a middle aged guy,

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Speaker 1: no question, and there's every you know, it's and it's

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Speaker 1: hard to stay healthy in this league, particularly for as

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Speaker 1: long as he did, and when you get into your

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Speaker 1: early to mid thirties, it takes longer to bounce back

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Speaker 1: from an end, particularly a catastrophic one like an ACL.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be much much better rolling into

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Speaker 1: this next season than he was at the end of

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Speaker 1: this season, even and he was getting better and better

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Speaker 1: this season.

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Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, but when we come back,

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Speaker 2: we'll get right on the phones. Elliot and Rochester will

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Speaker 2: lead us off. He'll be followed by John and Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Here on an obl Friday fan mail bag. When we

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Speaker 2: return on One Bill's Live, presented by Collid of Health,

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here on one

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Speaker 2: Bills Live on an obl Friday fan mail Bag. Your

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Speaker 2: questions answered eight three, five fifty. Let's go to the phones,

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Speaker 2: and as promised, we were leading off with Elliott in Rochester.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 4: Elliott, Hey Christ.

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Speaker 5: And Steve Happy Friday. Thanks for taking my call. Sure, so,

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Speaker 5: I was curious about both of your guys. Thoughts on

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Speaker 5: three potential rule changes that the NFL is looking at.

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Speaker 5: First one, I'll start with the fumble out of the

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Speaker 5: back of the end zone for a touchback. We saw

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Speaker 5: it happen at the Divisional round. I was at the

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Speaker 5: game at high Mark. It was an electric momentum swinging

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Speaker 5: moment for the Bills after that fake punt. And then

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Speaker 5: in the AFC Championship when Jay Flowers got that ball

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Speaker 5: punched out by Lajarious Need, huge momentum swing for the Chiefs.

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Speaker 5: It just seems like a big part of the game.

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Speaker 5: And I know people and fans potentially you know, on

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Speaker 5: the wrong side of that call. I have strong feelings

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Speaker 5: about it, but you know, I see that the end

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Speaker 5: zones that kind of like sacred ground. I was curious

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Speaker 5: about your thoughts about that as the first rule change

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Speaker 5: that they're looking on.

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you, Elliott, I'm indifferent. I've benefited

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Speaker 1: from it. I've seen I've seen it. It doesn't happen

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Speaker 1: all that often. Obviously, it happened here in the last

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Obviously you mentioned it, but it.

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Speaker 2: Didn't happen in the Ravens game. Just so you're clear, Elliot,

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Speaker 2: the ball was just fumbled out and recovered in the

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Speaker 2: end zone by the Ravens, and by rule, that is

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Speaker 2: a touchback as well. The Bills game, the ball went

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Speaker 2: out of bounds through the end zone after a fumble.

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Speaker 2: That's the specific play that they're talking about changing.

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Speaker 1: Right, So I'm yeah, So I'm indifferent to it because

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Speaker 1: it doesn't happen all that oftense. Certainly it's a big moment,

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Speaker 1: momentum grabber, but it does give the defense that one

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Speaker 1: last little bit a little out if they can make

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Speaker 1: a play like that, you know what I mean. I

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Speaker 1: don't have a problem giving the defense on one more thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, a way to get a turnover and down close.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to It should be hard to score, and

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Speaker 1: for an offense to do that, you got to give

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Speaker 1: the defense some weapons. And I think that fumbled. The

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Speaker 1: protection of fumbling the ball in the end zone then

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Speaker 1: covering it up is part of that. So I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: neither here nor there on I don't think it's a

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Speaker 1: big deal. It just doesn't make much sense to a

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Speaker 1: lot of people. You watch the game.

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Speaker 2: The critics feel it is too punitive penalty for the

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Speaker 2: offense to sustain for fumbling the ball because they say, well, look,

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Speaker 2: if he fumbles it and it goes out of bounds

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Speaker 2: at the one yard line, it goes back to where

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Speaker 2: the fumble was, and off they go. They still have possession.

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Speaker 2: Why if it happens and it goes through the end zone,

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Speaker 2: does it go to the other team and they get

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Speaker 2: it on the twenty yard line like it's a turnover

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Speaker 2: and it's and it's field position, and it's field position.

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Speaker 2: Like they feel that it is too punitive for the

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Speaker 2: team that lost possession.

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Speaker 1: Now, could you could change it by saying if it

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Speaker 1: goes out, it's still a turnover, but it goes back

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Speaker 1: to the point of where you fumbled.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 1: So if you do fumble it on the one yard line,

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Speaker 1: it goes through and out of the end zone. The

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Speaker 1: other team doesn't get it on the twenty, they get

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Speaker 1: it at the one that would make more the defense

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Speaker 1: would get it at the one that would make more

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Speaker 1: sense point of the fumble, point of the fumble. I

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Speaker 1: would like that better. That would be more fair offense

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Speaker 1: and defense. But yeah, I'm I.

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Speaker 2: Will say it is a little strange that based on

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Speaker 2: the ball going over the goal line and out of

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Speaker 2: bounds either through the back or the side of the

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Speaker 2: end zone. It's not only it, it's not it's change

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Speaker 2: of possession. Even if the defensive team didn't even touch

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Speaker 2: the thing and they get it on the twenty, Like,

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Speaker 2: I think you got to take one of those things

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Speaker 2: away at least put it at the spot of the fumble,

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Speaker 2: and you want to give it to the other team,

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Speaker 2: I could listen to that.

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Speaker 1: I like the fact, I like the turnover aspect of

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Speaker 1: it. It should be a turnover because you know that give

651
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Speaker 1: it just makes sense because particularly because the defenders always

652
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Speaker 1: use the that your addage is that the sidelines are

653
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Speaker 1: an extra defender. Well, if it's an extra defender and

654
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: it goes out of the sidelines, your extra defender recovered

655
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Speaker 1: the ball.

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Speaker 2: One kind of thing I wonder if there's a way

657
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Speaker 2: that you could rule if the defense forced the fumble

658
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Speaker 2: and it goes through the end zone out of bounds,

659
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Speaker 2: then then the defense would get it because now you

660
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: created an action to win possession back. If guy's just

661
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: running down the field and it pops out of his

662
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Speaker 2: hand as he's running to the end zone and it

663
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Speaker 2: goes through the.

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Speaker 1: That's you gotta pay for that mistake. I knew you

665
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: were gonna say that, you gotta.

666
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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think of different ways too.

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Speaker 1: I just should go back to the point of the

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00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: fumble and you should change over possessions. And another one

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00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: too that's very punitive is pass interference inside in the

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Speaker 1: end zone.

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Speaker 2: You get a first and ten on the goal line.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I don't think you should

673
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Speaker 1: get a first and ten. You can. You should have

674
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Speaker 1: like another get it on the on the one yard

675
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: line with the next down, right, depending on what if

676
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: you know it's I just like if you threw it

677
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: on first down into the end zone and it's it

678
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: should be second down on the one, not first and ten.

679
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: Gotcha.

680
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

681
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: What if it's third down, you get it down, it down,

682
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: you get one down, fourth.

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Speaker 1: Down, don't know, I don't know. Let's yeah, we should

684
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: talk about that. Okay, well I seriously, yeah.

685
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: Well I'm just trying to be devilat then the then

686
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: the defense can and what if it's forth down?

687
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: If it's forth down, you repeat it down.

688
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I figured, but just wanted to check

689
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Speaker 2: make sure.

690
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's a lot of stuff you can tinker.

691
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: I think this is why we're not on and the pros.

692
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Speaker 2: Listen. I've been in the room and it's the intense.

693
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Speaker 1: You've got some really smart, experienced guys thinking through these things,

694
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, wait a minute, if you do that,

695
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: what happens? If that that that happened, you're going, oh

696
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: my gosh, He's right, that would be a catastroph right,

697
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: So the the unintended consequences are a very real aspect

698
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Speaker 1: of changing the rules.

699
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones and go to John

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Speaker 2: in Buffalo. Next.

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Speaker 4: What do you got John, Hey, Chris, Steve, this is John.

702
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Speaker 4: Thanks for taking my call, first time caller.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thanks for doing it.

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Speaker 6: I work in nursing.

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00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I work in nursing home. So I'm sitting with

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Speaker 4: my friend Henry and we thought of this question when

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00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 4: you were talking about the old kickoff thing. So I

708
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 4: grew up in Canada, and in Canada, when punt or

709
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: a kick returner receives the ball, you have to give

710
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: them five yards. What do you guys think about that.

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Speaker 2: I've got a five yard halo.

712
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Speaker 1: Always liked it. I've always liked it. They do that

713
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Speaker 1: in Canada because it makes sure that on punt This

714
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: is on punts, not kickoffs, because you know, you can't

715
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Speaker 1: get down there that fast on kickoffs. So it's kind

716
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Speaker 1: of a moot point. But when the when the teams

717
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: in Canada punt the ball and the team coming down

718
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: is you're gonna tackle the guy. They can't get closer

719
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Speaker 1: than five yards to the player that's gonna catch the punt.

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Speaker 1: I like it a lot, even Eke. Now they don't

721
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Speaker 1: now they don't allow fair catches, right, So that's that's

722
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Speaker 1: that's on the other side of it, which I think

723
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Speaker 1: it's a great There's a lot, not a lot. There's

724
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Speaker 1: like a handful of things that I noticed that I

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00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: think that they're really good. That should be incorporated by

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00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: by the NFL that yeah, probably never will. That's one

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Speaker 1: of them. No fair catches on punts.

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Speaker 2: College has a two yard halo.

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Speaker 1: And it's a five yard halo for the for the CFL,

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Speaker 1: and it works really well because that also gives some

731
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Speaker 1: protection not only to the return guy but also to

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Speaker 1: the team who's catching the return guy. So if he

733
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Speaker 1: bobbles it, he's got a little bit of a cushion

734
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Speaker 1: not to lose it. He's got a chance. He may

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Speaker 1: be the first guy that can jump on it unless

736
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Speaker 1: it points off of him and goes sideways.

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Speaker 6: That kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: So there is some stuff about the Canadian Football League

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Speaker 1: that would work and I think extremely well in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And that goes too for points and stuff like if

741
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Speaker 1: if you punt it into the end zone or punt

742
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Speaker 1: it out of the end zone, you get a point.

743
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that that would work in

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Speaker 1: the NFL because the field is way smaller, way smaller. Yeah,

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00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: you can. You could be getting points outside of your

746
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: fit midfield and that would but I'll tell you this,

747
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: it would really enhance the kick return game and guy's

748
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: catching the ball in the end zone bringing that thing out.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Now, you're going no fair,

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Speaker 2: no fair catch, five yard halo you got to bring

751
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: going back that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you could really add some stuff into it

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00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: that would work and work well. So I'm I'm with you, John,

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Speaker 1: And tell your friend Henry he's he's sharp for thinking that.

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00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: I agree. There is some stuff in some other leagues

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Speaker 1: that you can bet that the NFL has chit chatted

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Speaker 1: about at least, if not outright scouted.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Mark and Stockton next. What do you

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Speaker 2: got first?

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Speaker 7: Mark, Hi, guys, thanks for taking my call again. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 7: I got three things that's for going around that I

762
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 7: want to get out in the open in a row,

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Speaker 7: and then we'll see if you guys want to comment

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Speaker 7: on them. First about Tyler Bass, this is the wide,

765
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Speaker 7: wide world of sports. This is human drama of athletic competition,

766
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 7: thrill a victory, the agony of defeat. These things happen.

767
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 7: That's what makes sports so compelling. Death threats have no

768
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Speaker 7: place anywhere in life. This is not the movie The

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Speaker 7: Fan with Wesley Snipes and Dan and Robert de Niro. Okay, Second,

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Speaker 7: the Chief nobody's laying down for the Chiefs. So Taylor

771
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Speaker 7: Swift can watch her boy friend in the Super Bowl. Okay,

772
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Speaker 7: I'm so sick of people say this is scripted and

773
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Speaker 7: all that. That's a bunch of hogwash. And third, oh,

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Speaker 7: another thing, she's a fan. I like the way she

775
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 7: hangs out with the fans, even the shirtless crowd. Uh. Third,

776
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 7: Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott. They've been putting a winning

777
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Speaker 7: product on this field since they got here. I'm sure

778
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Speaker 7: they're not gonna let us down next year, So I

779
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Speaker 7: can't wait to see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Go bills, all right, thank you, thanks Mark. More of

781
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: a more of a statement call than a question call.

782
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: And that's fine. You're allowed to have those opinions. And yeah, yeah,

783
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Speaker 2: of course he's bothered by the Yeah, the title record narrative.

784
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah of course, the titler bas stuff's out of bounds.

785
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: And anybody with ye anything above jello for brains knows that.

786
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, and cooler heads pled and we've seen it.

787
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: People overreact in situations like that.

788
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Speaker 2: And thank goodness, or they don't know how to react proper.

789
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Speaker 1: Right, Uh, so we're on the same page there. Yeah,

790
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: the NFL being scripted is a silly joke that was starting.

791
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: Then somebody you know, well, well, the NFL took it

792
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: and ran with it with their own marketing. Oh yeah, yeah,

793
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: that was pretty funny. I told Brownie. I said, here's

794
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: what you do if you're the NFL. Don't you just

795
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: lean into that?

796
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: And they did.

797
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not just Taylor Swift.

798
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: What you do?

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Speaker 1: You go to Beyonce, say, Beyonce, listen, how about for

800
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: a little little seven figure fee this year, you show

801
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: up at like half a dozen Bills games. We'll show

802
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: you on TV pump your new album. You'd be a

803
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: rabid Bills fan. Let's go. What do you say? You

804
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: know Houston, So she'd probably okay, So she goes to

805
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: be she's a Texans fan. Beyonce is now at four

806
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: or five key Texan match and the jersey Yeah, and

807
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: you get, you know whatever, we saw the thing today.

808
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: You know, Sir Anthony Hopkins, the actor, he turns into

809
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: a you know, a New York Giant fan or or whatever.

810
00:41:59,760 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 8: You know.

811
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Speaker 1: He was with Wrexham though he's as Ma the mascot.

812
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: So if you're the NFL, you're leaning into it.

813
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: Man, you're not thinking that they used Kevin Michael Key

814
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: and he was at this pseudo table read with several

815
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: NFL players and they're talking about, all right, we gonna

816
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: script for this reason.

817
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Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous.

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00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it was funny.

819
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous. It's great.

820
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they did a good job of leaning into it.

821
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's there's a lot of fun

822
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: stuff going on with it, and we don't have time

823
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: to talk about all of it now.

824
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's Keegan Michael Keys.

825
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Speaker 1: I love that.

826
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Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, more of your phone calls

827
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Speaker 2: when we come back. Doug in Tonawanda will lead us

828
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Speaker 2: off and others holding an eight h three oh five

829
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Speaker 2: fifty here on an obl Friday fan mail bag, One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live.

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Speaker 9: Stay tune.

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Speaker 2: Alright back here on One Bill's Live on a Friday,

833
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Right back to the phones.

834
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Speaker 2: We go in to Doug in Tonawanda next.

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Speaker 6: Doug, thanks guys for having me on. I'm just wondering

836
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Speaker 6: there's no minor league obviously in professional football. Do the

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Speaker 6: Bill scout the new Spring League? Now the XFL is

838
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 6: combined with the USFL.

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Speaker 1: Yes, extensively.

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Speaker 6: Well, they haven't seen many players move on from that league.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they scouted, but Doug, they scouted extensively.

842
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they they have all the bases covered.

843
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: Every team does. It's it's that's what pro personnel departments

844
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Speaker 1: are about.

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Speaker 2: You see.

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Speaker 1: You know you hear college personnel, college scouts, you also

847
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: hear pro personnel. That's what they do. And pro personnel

848
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: obviously scout all the other thirty one teams in the NFL.

849
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Speaker 1: They also scout the USFL, XFL, UFL, the CFL, the

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00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: Italian Football League. You know, I mean they got they

851
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: got yeah, they know all those people. Yes, and they

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00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: got the international They've got guys coming over from from

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00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: Great Britain, from Nigeria, from you know, Harmony, yes, Germany.

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00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: So yes, they they do extensive film study of all

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Speaker 1: those leagues and all those teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not doing your job. If you're not, you

857
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: got to uncover, turnover every rock looking for talent to

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Speaker 2: try to improve your roster or wherever it may be.

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Speaker 2: To Jim in Rome, what do you got for us?

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Speaker 3: Jim, Hey, Chris and Steve. I just have a nice

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Speaker 3: light change of pace question about Jersey comboat yeah, so okay.

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00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 3: So look a few years ago, a few seasons ago,

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Speaker 3: it seemed like once a week we would wear our

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Speaker 3: throwbacks for like a home game. And now I've noticed

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Speaker 3: over the last two seasons we have not worn the

866
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Speaker 3: throwbacks at all, And I'm wondering is that driven by

867
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: the league or is that driven by the bills? Like

868
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: who decides when we can wear the old red standing

869
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 3: Buffalo throwback jerseys?

870
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? As I under standard, you have to file an

871
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: application to the league a year in advance for permission

872
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: to use it in the next season. If you don't

873
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: file an application, you don't have an opportunity to wear

874
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: something that you might have in mind or have designed

875
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: a lot of times in the anniversary seasons, like for example,

876
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: when the AFL was fifty years old. That was a

877
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: league wide initiative. So I don't think the applications were necessary.

878
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: I think they just had to submit what their quote

879
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: unquote AFL throwback jersey was going to be for approval.

880
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 2: But beyond that, and beyond the color rush jerseys, which

881
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: are still in effect at least as far as I know,

882
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: teams have to submit an application a year in advance

883
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: to get it approved. And then start production because obviously

884
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: those jerseys are also going to be sold in stores.

885
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: So that's why you have to kind of clue the

886
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: league in a year in advance ants get approval, and

887
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: then you can take it from there. Clearly the Bills

888
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: have not done that each of the last couple of years.

889
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: And I don't know this at all, but I would

890
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: not be the least bit surprised if there is some

891
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: kind of alternate jersey plan for the year the new

892
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: stadium opens in twenty twenty.

893
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: Six, special patch, maybe yeah, that kind of stuff.

894
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

895
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, I would say if I were commissioner, would

896
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: I would shorten that window that you need to do that,

897
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: because there are certain times things come up where like,

898
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: for instance, if you're gonna get a team that has

899
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, classic throwback like the old Jets, you know,

900
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: Kelly Green.

901
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: Jerseys like the Titans did with the Oilers, the.

902
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: Titans did with the Oilers, and you have a chance

903
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: to match it with your club, you know, like you

904
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: get two old school you know, jersey combinations. Sometimes you

905
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: don't get you know, enough time and they're gonna do

906
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: it and it ends up being on your schedule and

907
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: you didn't put the application in a year in advance,

908
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: you can't do it. I would do away with that,

909
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: and I would just have each team have a strict

910
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 1: menu of jersey they can go to at any point

911
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: they want, including the throwbacks. That's what I would do.

912
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, not bad, not the case. Not a bad idea.

913
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 2: Let's go to Mike and Elman next. What's up Mike?

914
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 10: Hi, guys, how you doing doing well? Okay, Well, I'm

915
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 10: calm because of the rule changes that you guys have

916
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 10: been talking about. Uh so stop. I think one of

917
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 10: the biggest rule changes that they should make is no

918
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 10: cut tackles. We don't allow crossbody blocks, Steve, you know

919
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 10: what I mean by that. That was back in the day.

920
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 10: We don't allow that, but yet we turn around and

921
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 10: allow cut tackles. That's ridiculous.

922
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, tackles. Take me right? Oh I do know Mike

923
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: that out in the open field, you can no longer

924
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 2: cut a guy. You have to lock up and block.

925
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: Right.

926
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's talking about he's talking outside the tackle, right,

927
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: he's talking about he's.

928
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 10: Talking about defense.

929
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's talking about the defense blocking like coming in

930
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: low on a guy and here's you're right? Uh, they

931
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: might Mike, here's one of the reasons, and I'll you

932
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: probably figured this out. But the reason guys do that

933
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: is because it's what they're it's the they're allowed to

934
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: do it. And if you're a guy, a defensive back

935
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: like my size, are a little bigger, you're maybe six

936
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: foot and a buck ninety or two hundred pounds, you're

937
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: coming up to try and tackle a guy like Dawson

938
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: Knox who's six five, two fifty, and you gotta you

939
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: can't take him on or you're gonna get trucked. You're

940
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna get you're gonna get put in the hospital.

941
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: That's where the old and so low man wins comes, right.

942
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: So you come in, you gotta knock the And the

943
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: thing is, these guys are not just you know, they're

944
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: not bean poles out there. You can't come in there

945
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: and just whack them really hard in the chest thinking

946
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna knock them off their feet because they're just

947
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: too good athletes. So just they may stagger them, but

948
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna keep their balance. So to knock them off balance,

949
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: you got to hit them at one end or the other.

950
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: You can eat them high, which is illegal. Or you

951
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: can go in low. And that's what guys do, and

952
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: that's why now you started seeing guys like Josh and

953
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: all you jump over people because everybody's coming in low,

954
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: because that's the only target area that's not gonna get

955
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: them killed. As a defender, so you can say what

956
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: you want. You're right, it is a dangerous play and

957
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: if you catch the guy wrong, you're gonna blow his

958
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: knee out. But by the same token, you'll stand here

959
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: as a defensive back and I'll say, well, okay, that's great.

960
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: You're gonna protect that guy. You're not protecting me. I

961
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: gotta go in. I gotta take this guy on in

962
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: a way that's unsafe for me to do it. So

963
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: both those things are true and equally important. Defensive players

964
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: are equally as important. They're valuable just like offensive players are.

965
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: So you can't make it safe for one and make

966
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,479
Speaker 1: it way more dangerous for the other guy. So that's

967
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: the balance you gotta draw. It's a very physical game,

968
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: and you're always gonna have to allow defenders to do

969
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: something physical to stop the guy and stop him hard.

970
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that so many of the

971
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: rules favor offense. Already you'd be taking another thing away

972
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: from defensive players if you outlaw that.

973
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: The thing is too this hip drop tackle, and what

974
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: they're talking about, if you're not aware of it, is

975
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: to grab the guy high from behind and drop your

976
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: hips across the back of his legs. It's a lot

977
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: like what they used to do with the horse collar tackle.

978
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: You grab him by the collar and swing your body

979
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: into his into his back of his legs and pull

980
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: him backwards. You can stop a big dude like that

981
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: with not too much effort, but you also hurt him,

982
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: so you're they're gonna figure you gotta you gotta allow

983
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: a defender some physical contact because there are times when

984
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: you've got to stop the guy short now by yourself,

985
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: and you've got to have a weapon or an ability

986
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: to do a means by which to do that.

987
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: We got to take a break here, but when we

988
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: come back our number two, we'll begin with the Ringers.

989
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: Austin Gaiale has an interesting offseason piece, big question for

990
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: each of the playoff teams that did not make the

991
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. It's an interesting one that he's got for

992
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: the Bills. We'll discuss it with him next here on

993
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health.

994
00:51:25,280 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 11: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

995
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:06,000
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996
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: All Right our number two on a Friday, Chris Brown

997
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you One Bill's Live. Thanks for joining

998
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 2: us and also joining us at this time. Columnist for

999
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 2: The Ringer, Austin Gale joining us, had an interesting write

1000
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: up on one pressing question for twelve NFL teams in

1001
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: the playoffs who missed the Super Bowl. Austin First, thanks

1002
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: for joining us number one, and let's cut right to

1003
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: the chase. Your question for the Bills was I think

1004
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: you know a pertinent one for sure, and it essentially

1005
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: asked anything more they can do to beat Patrick Mahomes.

1006
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people asking that very question here

1007
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: in Buffalo. It seems like the last tie, this most

1008
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: recent one, they were a victim of circumstance with a

1009
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: beleaguered and injury riddle defense, which certainly doesn't help going

1010
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: against Patrick Mahomes. And there have been other reasons in

1011
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: past years. But did you like done anything there with

1012
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 2: that question?

1013
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 12: I do feel like the question is too pronged, right.

1014
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 12: I already feel that the Buffalo Bills have done a

1015
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 12: lot to try and beat Patrick Mahomes, right, even en

1016
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 12: firing Kendorsey and trying to inject life into the offense

1017
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 12: with Joe Brady. And then you also look at they've

1018
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 12: actually drafted really well. Yes, at low value positions, but

1019
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 12: James Cook, Dalton Kinkad, Khalila Shakir in the slot like

1020
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 12: they've drafted fairly well. But even Dorian Williams, who filled

1021
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 12: in at linebacker a lot of the time this year

1022
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 12: due to injuries, played really well. The problem has been

1023
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 12: some of these high value spots right, specifically outside receiver.

1024
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 12: I think there's help that they can do along the edge.

1025
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 12: I think Von Miller this season was not the impact

1026
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 12: player they needed him to be as an edge defender.

1027
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 12: Gregor Russel a very good player, but still not a

1028
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 12: premiere top and talent at edge. And then you look

1029
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 12: at outside receiver opposite of Stefan Diggs. I think a

1030
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 12: lot of the success of the offense towards the back

1031
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 12: half of the season was because Joe Brady started to

1032
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 12: funnel targets to his better playmakers upon Diggs, James Cook, Kincaid,

1033
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 12: et cetera. So they've already done a lot the other

1034
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 12: prong of that question is do they have anything left

1035
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 12: to give right right now? They're projected negative fifty one

1036
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 12: dollars in cash base in twenty twenty four. That's the

1037
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 12: second lowest only the Saints, which we know are a

1038
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 12: disaster in terms of how they manage the cap, have

1039
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 12: lower projected cash base going into this upcoming year. Could

1040
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 12: they get out of it, absolutely, but still they're going

1041
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 12: to be handstrung from a cash based perspective, not just

1042
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 12: to bring back the players that they might want to

1043
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 12: bring back this upcoming season, players like Michah Hide, maybe

1044
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 12: Gavee Davis Dayekwon Jones, like there are other players that

1045
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 12: potentially hitting for agency if they don't bring him back.

1046
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 12: But also, are you going to be able to go

1047
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 12: into this free agent pool where there is some talent

1048
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 12: at corner, there is some talent at edge and receiver.

1049
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 12: Are you gonna be able to bring in these guys

1050
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 12: in with the money.

1051
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: You have available?

1052
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 12: The pressure is on Josh Allen continue to develop as

1053
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 12: a passer, specifically limiting mistakes, and the pressures on Brandon

1054
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 12: Bean to find cheap, efficient ways to improve this roster,

1055
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 12: and like is that even do they hit everything right?

1056
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 10: Do they hit everything.

1057
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 12: It's still is there is headed up to beat what

1058
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 12: is objectively one of the best quarterbacks, if not the

1059
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 12: best quarterback right now playing in the league.

1060
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's really the question too, is as you've

1061
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: seen what the Bills have done ever since Sean McDermott

1062
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: was hired than Brandon Bean, and they're drafted guys who

1063
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: they have given They've been a ton of guys second contracts,

1064
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: They've let a lot of guys go. They've signed some

1065
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: key free agents that have come in and really contributed.

1066
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: Now they're doing it from a spot where last year

1067
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: they did it a little bit, no question. They came

1068
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: out the out of the season with I think twenty

1069
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: two million dollars over the cap or something. This year

1070
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: they're more than that. Certainly, they can restructure about four

1071
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: or five guys and get out of cap space, out

1072
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: of cap jail right away, but they're not going to

1073
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: have much room if they do that. So the question

1074
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: is these are new challenges for the general manager. He's

1075
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: met every challenge thus far, no question, and certainly the

1076
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: play of Josh Allen has been a great eraser for

1077
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: some of the challenges that they've that they've had to face.

1078
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: But Sean McDermott continues to be a quality head coach

1079
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: and this year we found out a quality defensive coordinator

1080
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: by making them more with less. I mean, these are

1081
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: just it's another year. They put a lot of fires

1082
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: out last year, got right back to the two seed

1083
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: and actually had a better regular season than they did

1084
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: the year before, even though their record wasn't right, it

1085
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: wasn't as good. But they're right back to the top

1086
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: of the heap. But this is a different, yet set

1087
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: of challenges, and I.

1088
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 12: Think that it's fair to say that every other team

1089
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 12: in the AFC is asking the same question without a

1090
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 12: superstar at quarterback. I think Josh Allen is one of

1091
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 12: the three, maybe two best quarterbacks in the league, just

1092
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 12: purely from a talent perspective. Lamar Jackson's right up there

1093
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 12: with them. They were also favorite at home and lost

1094
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 12: to this Kansas City Chiefs team that was objectively having

1095
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 12: a down year. So the Bills aren't alone in asking

1096
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 12: this question. The Ravens are asking the same question. Every

1097
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 12: other team in the AFC without a superstar quarterback is

1098
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 12: asking the same question. Mahomes forces you to be perfect.

1099
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 12: You can't be anything less, and that even in a

1100
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 12: year where they've had receiver issues, they've had offensive line issues,

1101
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 12: they've taken a step back in a lot of ways offensively,

1102
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 12: and still he forces you to be perfect, especially in January,

1103
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 12: as we've seen in these matchups between the Bills and Chiefs.

1104
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 12: Moving forward, I do think that there's not a lot

1105
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 12: here to point out with Sean McDermott, or to point

1106
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 12: out with Brandon Bean where they've made woeful decisions right

1107
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 12: taking significant steps back. There's still a team that continues

1108
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 12: to hit in the draft and continues to funnel talent

1109
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 12: under this roster don Kin, Kate Osyrus Torrens, Dorian Williams,

1110
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 12: Treel Bernard, Christian Bedford, James Cook. Like over the last

1111
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 12: couple of years, they've added a ton of talent. Have

1112
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 12: they missed on some picks or at least drafted players

1113
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 12: that have not been high impact players? Sure, but compared

1114
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 12: to a lot of the other teams in this league,

1115
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 12: they are up there in terms of draft success and

1116
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 12: success and free agency. Now it's going back to the

1117
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 12: well finding ways to do that again, and I guess

1118
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 12: hoping for some luck on your side, like maybe Travis

1119
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 12: Kelcey retires after the season, Like eventually, you're just gonna

1120
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 12: need the Chiefs to take a step back as well.

1121
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Chiefs have kind of been a team

1122
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: that is about one to two years ahead in terms

1123
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: of the model and how the model in building the

1124
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 2: roster has to shift and change. And we saw last

1125
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: year how the Chiefs had to get significantly younger on defense,

1126
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: shed cap money and they drafted three corners in one class,

1127
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: you know, Watson, Williams and McDuffie, along with some other

1128
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: defensive talent, and they started him right away. They just

1129
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: committed to the fact that they were going to have

1130
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: to be a much younger roster in their case on

1131
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball. The Bills may have

1132
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: to do the same thing this year because again a

1133
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: year or two behind what that Andy Reid build was

1134
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: because he got there a few years before Sean got

1135
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: here in Buffalo. And I can see them going significantly younger,

1136
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: which means and Brandon Bean said this at his season

1137
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: wrap up press conference, we have to really hit on

1138
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: this draft. I think he knows the bill answers are

1139
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: going to have to be found in the draft for

1140
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: cheap labor because of the cap situation we're mentioning. The

1141
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: question I put to you is you saw Patrick Mahomes

1142
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: capable of overcoming a youth movement on his roster two

1143
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: years ago. Heck, they won the Super Bowl. Is Josh

1144
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: Allen capable of pulling a roster along as they kind

1145
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: of maybe learn a few hard lessons if there are

1146
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: that many more younger players on the field playing significant

1147
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: roles for them.

1148
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 12: I absolutely think so. I think that there are analysts

1149
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 12: and maybe even people inside the league that have doubts

1150
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 12: on Josh Allen because of some of the turnovers.

1151
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: Right.

1152
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 12: I think we've even written articles here at The Ringer

1153
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 12: talking about how the turnovers continue to be an issue

1154
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 12: for Josh Allen. It was limiting him for being a

1155
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 12: one of one, maybe even better than Patrick Mahomes. That said,

1156
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 12: even with those blemishes, say he doesn't improve a n iota,

1157
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 12: He's still one of the top three quarterbacks in the league,

1158
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 12: and I think more than capable as he continues to

1159
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 12: mature as a quarterback and as a leader on this

1160
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 12: football team, someone who's capable of leading a youth movement.

1161
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 12: And I'm so happy you brought up the Chiefs and

1162
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 12: how they've attacked defensively in the draft, bringing in guys

1163
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 12: like Jamari Connor, Michael Dana, Willie Gay, Nick Bolton, like

1164
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 12: they've thrown Lagarious Need, They've thrown so much resource at

1165
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 12: the defensive side of the ball, and that I think

1166
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 12: is always the right move in terms of how you

1167
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 12: get a roster that you know is going to get

1168
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 12: expensive because you have a superstar quarterback. You're paying Travis Kelcey,

1169
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 12: you're paying an offensive line. How you get better as

1170
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 12: a roster goes through the draft and just taking a

1171
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 12: ton of Darth thrones, you have to not every single

1172
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 12: pick is going to work, but if you continue to

1173
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 12: throw resources at that side of the ball, you're going

1174
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 12: to get in the situations where a sixth round pick

1175
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 12: or fourth round pick like Lagarius Need is one of

1176
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 12: the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Right where you're gonna

1177
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 12: get to a situation where Willie Gay, Junior Leoshanal and

1178
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 12: Nick Bolton are three very young, maturing, improving linebackers. And

1179
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 12: I think the Buffalo bill is doing the same thing

1180
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 12: and throwing more resources at the defense side of the

1181
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 12: ball at high value positions. Right corner wide receiver oppositive tackle,

1182
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 12: edge defender, these positions that when you get to the

1183
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 12: open market, you are you are going to have to

1184
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 12: pay a lot of money. That's what rosters have to do.

1185
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 12: Is it great to add a tight end, a running back,

1186
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 12: inter your offensive line linebackers in places? Yes, And I

1187
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 12: think getting good players is still always what you're looking

1188
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 12: for in the draft, but the pressure to get good

1189
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 12: players at these valuable positions, ones that get paid a

1190
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 12: ton of money on their second and third contracts, that's

1191
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 12: where I think they have to hone in specifically in

1192
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 12: this draft.

1193
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: Lave, Yeah, I would agree with all of that. We're

1194
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: talking to Austin Gaale and I got to ask you too.

1195
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: From the Ringer. By the way, You've had a nice

1196
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: article about some of this hiring cycle, and he starting

1197
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: with Antonio Pearce was the guy in Oakland or in

1198
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, and interesting to You're right, they have, you know,

1199
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: Mark Davis has you know, rinsed through head coaching candidates

1200
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: at a point where this one does look a little

1201
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: bit different, a little bit reminiscent of Dan Campbell in Detroit,

1202
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of the raw rock guy. What are your thoughts

1203
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: on this hiring cycle? That we're seeing in the in

1204
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: the NFL, And were you surprised by the fact that

1205
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, Mike Rabel and these guys are

1206
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: left out in the cold.

1207
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 12: You have to be surprised by Bill Belichick and Mike

1208
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 12: Rabel both not having jobs, right, And I think it

1209
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 12: is evident of the fact that Belichick and Rabel are

1210
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 12: a part of this coaching trend where they want full

1211
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 12: ownership of the roster right, full ownership of both who

1212
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 12: is coming into the you know, coming into this locker room,

1213
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 12: and obviously the hires that they're making in all these

1214
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 12: different things. And I think I'm not saying that's going

1215
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 12: the way of the Dodo. You're always going to have

1216
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 12: head coaches that are able to grab full roster control

1217
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 12: and have complete autonomy and how they build up a

1218
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 12: team and how they coach a team. But I think

1219
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 12: what you're seeing in this coaching cycle is one what

1220
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 12: will always be prioritized from here on out is can

1221
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 12: you call plays? Can you call good plays right? Offense

1222
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 12: over defense is what's prioritized. But when you look at

1223
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 12: day Canalis, you look at Riheie Morris on the defensive side,

1224
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 12: you look at Mike McDonald's going to Seattle is good logic,

1225
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 12: good process to go attack a head coach that you

1226
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 12: know on his side of the ball, whether it's offense

1227
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 12: or defense, call the good plays right, execute an offensive

1228
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 12: or defensive philosophy and strategy.

1229
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 6: At a high level.

1230
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 12: Because those guys you can't get on the open market.

1231
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 12: It's very difficult to find those guys and keep them right.

1232
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 12: You're already seeing how crazy it is that the Detroit

1233
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 12: Lions are able to keep Ben Johnson in Detroit. He's

1234
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 12: had nine head coaching interviews over the last ten years

1235
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 12: or two years and still is staying in Detroit.

1236
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: That is rare.

1237
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 12: Whereas Dave Canalis, Mike McDonald, Raheem Morris, those young up

1238
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 12: and coming coordinators that are calling, you know, the good

1239
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 12: plays on the offensi side of the ball or the

1240
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 12: deep side of ball, they're continuing to get head coaching opportunities.

1241
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 12: And how it relates to Antonio Peers, I do think

1242
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 12: that Dan Campbell's success in Detroit and even Mike tomlin

1243
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 12: success in Pittsburgh does show the value of bringing in

1244
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 12: a guy that knows how to talk to men right

1245
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 12: and manage men in this League, and Antonio Pierce has

1246
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 12: shown that right away. Going from Josh McDaniels to Antonio

1247
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 12: Pierce as the interim head coach. People it Campbell before

1248
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 12: he got the job in Detroit, only had what a

1249
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 12: half of a year as an interim head coach before

1250
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 12: he got that head coaching opportunity. Now, the pressure on

1251
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 12: Antonio Peers is not to be or continue to be

1252
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 12: a motivator and a raw rock guy that's gonna come

1253
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 12: with him no matter what. The pressure will be on

1254
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 12: how he takes this staff and makes them viable. People

1255
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 12: forget Dan Campbell in his first year at Detroit had

1256
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 12: Anthony Lynn the offensive coordinator, Jared Goff raked twenty second

1257
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 12: EPA per dropback and they won three games. He then

1258
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 12: fired Anthony Lynn, promoted Ben Johnson, and the rest is history.

1259
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 12: Now they're going to the NBFC Championship right like this

1260
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 12: Detroit Lions team success is a lot of what Dan

1261
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 12: Campbell has brought to the table. It's also a lot

1262
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 12: of Ben Johnson and the success he's been able to

1263
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 12: have to fix a quarterback that was a throwaway and

1264
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 12: then Matthew Stafford rad a literal contract throwaway to fix

1265
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 12: him and bring him to the success that he's had

1266
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 12: is a huge ship of the cap to Dan Campbell

1267
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 12: and a huge shippy of the cap to Ben Johnson.

1268
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 12: Now Antonio peers flushing out in his staff with Marvin Lewis,

1269
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 12: retaining Patrick Graham the defensive coordinator, and then bringing with Kingsbury.

1270
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 12: It has to be said a lot of the success

1271
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 12: will ride on the success of those coordinators being able

1272
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 12: to operate their side to the ball. And Tonio Pierce

1273
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 12: is going to show up the same guy every single time.

1274
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 12: He's going to be this raw rock guy. He's going

1275
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 12: to be made in Dan Campbell's image in a lot

1276
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 12: of ways. Players want to play for him, but none

1277
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 12: of that matters if the oppensive or defensive side of

1278
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 12: the ball is not called to a degree that it's

1279
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 12: actually successful. That starts now with Cliff Kingsbury.

1280
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, going back to your playoff team questions, Uh,

1281
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 2: the one that a lot of people even here in

1282
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 2: Buffalo are going to have their eye on is what

1283
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 2: they do in Miami with two of his contract, which

1284
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 2: is the question you ask talking to people down there.

1285
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: They openly wonder if they just let him play out

1286
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 2: the fifty year option if he plays well, franchise him

1287
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: for another year and then worry about a contract after that.

1288
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 2: There is the concern about his health history. Many people

1289
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 2: think all he needs is one more concussion and he's

1290
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 2: going to hang it up after thinking last offseason long

1291
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 2: and hard about possibly retired. So how do you navigate

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Speaker 2: those waters if your Chris career.

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Speaker 12: It's a very difficult question. I think it's more difficult

1294
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 12: than the Lion's question with Jared goff right and do

1295
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 12: they give him an extension after the Seatson It's even

1296
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 12: more difficult than the question in Tampa Bay with Baker

1297
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 12: Mayfield is a pending free agent, do you offer him

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Speaker 12: a new contract right now? It's difficult because to a

1299
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Speaker 12: chunk of byloa, if he has an agent worth his

1300
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,479
Speaker 12: salt is going to ask like two hundred fifty million

1301
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 12: dollars like he has been over the last two years,

1302
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 12: one of the most productive quarterbacks in the league. He's

1303
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 12: also when just looking at the Miami Dolphins franchise, maybe

1304
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 12: the best quarterback they've had by like data, by stats

1305
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 12: since Dan Marino, like nineteen ninety nine. So you have

1306
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 12: these competing factors in that he's playing well according to

1307
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 12: any stat you can pull, and he's playing well for

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Speaker 12: this franchise, way more than any quarterback has been in

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01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 12: Miami for the last two decades plus. However, the issue

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Speaker 12: is giving to a tongue of ailoa two hundred fifty

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Speaker 12: million dollars from a Miami Dolphins team that already isn't

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01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 12: in a good cap situation. They are thirtieth and projected

1313
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 12: cap face for twenty for they already know they're gonna

1314
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 12: let Christian Wilkins, their star defensive tackle, walk in free

1315
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,959
Speaker 12: agency because they can't afford him. Is to a tongue

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Speaker 12: of mailoa on a two hundred and fifty million dollar contract,

1317
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 12: so limiting to what you can build around him, that

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01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 12: this starts to fall apart as well, because it's easy

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Speaker 12: to have the offense that they have when Tyreek Kill

1320
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 12: is paid and Jalen Waddell eventually is paid, and this

1321
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Speaker 12: offensive line has Tron Armstead and other highly paid players.

1322
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Speaker 12: It gets a lot harder when to a tongue of

1323
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 12: maloa is closer to a situation that the Chiefs are

1324
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Speaker 12: and that you have to get younger at receiver, you

1325
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 12: have to get younger along the offensive line, and defensively,

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Speaker 12: they have Jylan Ramsey on that roster, right, they had

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Speaker 12: a lot of really talented veteran players on that roster

1328
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 12: now because to a tongue of my law is on

1329
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Speaker 12: this rookie contract. But the situation that reminds me of

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Speaker 12: where I think it makes the most sense is Dallas

1331
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 12: a few years ago. Remember when Dallas was tagging Dak

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01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 12: Prescott for back to back years and they were reluctant

1333
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 12: and they really wanted to prove it over and over.

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Speaker 12: That to me feels like a more viable solution for

1335
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 12: the mia of the offense to continue to have success

1336
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 12: than for him to say, right now, let's give him

1337
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 12: this four or five year deal with the no trade

1338
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 12: clause or no tag clause. That's kind of the standard

1339
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 12: or what you're giving some of these high profile quarterbacks.

1340
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 12: Because if they commit that kind of money before their

1341
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 12: wholesale ready to say out loud that he is the

1342
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Speaker 12: driving reason for their success, that I think would be

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Speaker 12: a fool's there and ultimately put him in a situation

1344
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Speaker 12: where would be that much more difficult to compete with Baltimore,

1345
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 12: to compete with Kansas City, and obviously to compete with Buffalo.

1346
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Speaker 1: So what do you think, what's your good to tell you?

1347
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: Are they gonna tag him or are they gonna I

1348
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: think they're gonna tag him.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, he's on his fifty year option this year,

1350
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 2: so they really don't have to do anything if they

1351
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 2: don't want to. Yeah, but you gotta think, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you got to consider giving him a race. I mean,

1353
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: twenty three million for a guy that was like at

1354
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 2: the top of the league in passer rating passing yards.

1355
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't just pay twenty three millions almost insulting.

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Speaker 12: It's it's hard because could you get into a situation

1357
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 12: where you say, you give him this bump and it's

1358
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 12: a shorter deal, right, a two year deal or three

1359
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 12: year deal, kind of similar to the contract extension that

1360
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 12: Jordan Love sign which was baffling.

1361
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Speaker 6: By the way.

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Speaker 12: The fact that Jordan Love signed that contract and then

1363
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 12: is now out of a lot of money on a

1364
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 12: multi year deal is horrible. And that's why Miami, to

1365
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 12: a tongue of my lowis, agent is not going to

1366
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 12: do that. It's a multi year deal or bust. And

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Speaker 12: I think that you could get into a situation where

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01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 12: there's some pressure provided by the agent this offseason or

1369
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 12: heading into training camp that he does not want to

1370
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 12: continue until he gets a new deal. That pressure could

1371
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 12: be applied. However, I still find myself saying it's better

1372
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 12: to hold the line if you're the Miami Dolphins and

1373
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 12: see how that plays out before committing again this four

1374
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 12: or five year contract that I know or you have

1375
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 12: to expect the agent is going to be pitching on

1376
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 12: to a tongue of by lowis side. Does he deserve

1377
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 12: a raise, yes, as he outperformed his rookie contract, of course,

1378
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 12: But you don't pay players for what they've done. You

1379
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 12: pay players for what they're going to do, and like

1380
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 12: right now, I don't think they're ready to commit to

1381
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 12: what to a tongue by Looa is going to do

1382
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 12: and how he's going to be able to positively impact

1383
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 12: this offense over the next four.

1384
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Speaker 5: Or five years.

1385
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Speaker 2: Austin, thanks for the time. We appreciate it. Have a

1386
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: good weekend. We'll catch up with you down the line

1387
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:50,520
Speaker 2: in the offseason.

1388
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 12: Absolutely, thank you so much.

1389
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Speaker 2: Guys. All Right, that's Austin Gale from The Ringer. Interesting

1390
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: write up that he had one pressing question for twelve

1391
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: NFL playoff team who missed the Super Bowl. He's got

1392
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 2: some good ones in there. We mentioned the one on tour,

1393
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 2: We mentioned what he had on the bills. He also

1394
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 2: talked about, you know, just Dared Goff get an extension,

1395
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 2: you know, after two good years, Ben Johnson is coming

1396
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: back as their OC who has made him into what

1397
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 2: he is. There's a lot of other good questions in there,

1398
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 2: like can the Steelers do better than Kenny Pickett and

1399
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 2: Mason Rudolph. You'd like to think so, but can they

1400
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 2: go about achieving that, you know, picking down a twenty

1401
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: second in the draft? Like I don't know. I mean

1402
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 2: maybe maybe you like Michael Pennix a lot, and that's

1403
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 2: a guy that they think will be around in round two,

1404
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 2: you know, because of his injury history. But and would

1405
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: they even consider going for a quarterback just two years

1406
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 2: removed from drafting Kenny Pickett in round one? I don't know.

1407
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 2: So some interesting questions to ponder there. There's a lot.

1408
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot in that articles good And thanks thanks

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01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: to Austin for being with us.

1410
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was, uh, that was pretty good stuff.

1411
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 2: I actually liked that right up because it meant, you know,

1412
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 2: stuff that makes you think, you know, what I mean.

1413
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of questions around the league as to,

1414
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, what's going to work best for each of

1415
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: these teams, and you know, everybody thought, you know, Dan

1416
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 2: Campbell got extraordinarily lucky, you know, because it looks like

1417
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 2: both of his coordinators are staying, Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson.

1418
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 2: So fortunate, super fortunate, because I don't think people, I'm

1419
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 2: not saying that Dan Campbell doesn't know x's and o's,

1420
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 2: but he's more of a leader than.

1421
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 9: He is of a.

1422
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 2: Schemer, you know what I mean. He's got guys on

1423
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 2: his staff to do the scheming on offense and defense.

1424
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 2: He knows what they're doing. But he doesn't strike me

1425
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 2: as a guy that's pouring over tape and drawn up diagrams, right.

1426
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 2: He strikes me as a guy that's leading men and

1427
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: motivating people and building a culture. That's kind of the

1428
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 2: head coach that he is, if that makes any sense.

1429
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 2: So the fact that he got both of his coordinators back,

1430
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 2: coordinators back was a coup. Uh, let's jump into the

1431
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: mail bag while we wait on a few calls. At

1432
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 2: eight oh three five point fifty one eighty eight five

1433
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: fifty two, five point fifty and Jacob asks, how would

1434
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 2: you address offensive tackle long term with both tackles entering

1435
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: the final year of their deal. Well, Jacob, first and foremost,

1436
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: I think Dion Dawkins is a prime candidate for an

1437
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 2: extension to provide the team with cap relief. He's only

1438
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 2: twenty nine years old. I think he's going to be

1439
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 2: good for another three or four seasons, and so entering

1440
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 2: the last year of his deal, you know what you

1441
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: have there. I would sign him to a contract extension,

1442
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 2: lower his cap figure for this year and next year,

1443
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 2: to give yourself some relief. It works for both sides.

1444
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 2: So that's step one. And then what do we usually

1445
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: see Steve with Bill's draft choices who they want here

1446
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: for the long haul? We usually see them signed somewhere

1447
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 2: around August, entering their final year of their rookie deal.

1448
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 2: We've seen that happen with Tyler Bass. We saw it

1449
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 2: happen with Tradevius White, we saw it happen with Dion Dawkins.

1450
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 2: Run down the list, sure, Matt mull et cetera. Taron Johnson,

1451
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 2: Taron Johnson's another one. So I wouldn't Dawson Knox, So

1452
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised, and maybe they do it sooner

1453
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 2: than August to give themselves even more cap relief. Not

1454
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 2: that Spencer Brown's breaking the bank per se, but if

1455
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 2: they feel that's a means by which they can also

1456
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 2: help themselves against the cap maybe they do it sooner

1457
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 2: rather than later so they can add to the roster

1458
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 2: what they want with the cap space that they might

1459
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 2: be able to create from the Spencer Brown deal. But

1460
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: I think Dion Dawkins is a virtual locke to get

1461
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 2: a contract extension for the cap relief that he would

1462
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 2: represent on that front.

1463
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: Right, That's that's something's gonna happen with a lot of

1464
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: these guys. Who it is, we don't know yet, but yeah,

1465
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: obviously they got to. They gotta find fifty million bucks

1466
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: plus of cap space.

1467
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,759
Speaker 2: Ed on the mailbag tweets sheet asks with a national

1468
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 2: talk of a drop and underclassmen being eligible in this draft,

1469
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: how will the Bills manipulate their ten draft picks. I

1470
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,759
Speaker 2: don't know that it's a matter of manipulation. And fortunately

1471
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,839
Speaker 2: for the Bills, the talent's pretty deep at some important

1472
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 2: positions for them, most notably receiver, defensive tackle, and edge rusher.

1473
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 2: So that's good news, And I don't think the pool

1474
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: of talent is hurting necessarily because I think what we're

1475
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 2: seeing at the college level, Steve is with the advent

1476
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,759
Speaker 2: of the name, image and likeness deals that are putting

1477
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,480
Speaker 2: money in college players pockets, there's less of a proclivity

1478
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 2: for them to enter the draft early because they're making

1479
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 2: money already, and pretty good money, right right. I mean

1480
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 2: there's some guys making half a million a year with

1481
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 2: nil deals in college.

1482
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,719
Speaker 1: Apparently there's a lot of guys making that kind of money.

1483
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: And if you're not gonna get drafted, you're gonna make

1484
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: less money as a pro than you did in college.

1485
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 2: Pick you, definitely, I mean think.

1486
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's not a ton of that, but there's

1487
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: some and so you and I think one reason is,

1488
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's why a lot of guys are

1489
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: staying in college longer. That's why because they know it's

1490
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: a different animal when you step out of the doors

1491
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: of academia. Yeah, it's a merit based system up here,

1492
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: and you know, how you come into the league says

1493
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: a lot about what your first couple of years is

1494
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 1: going to go about. Go like, so, yeah, they got it.

1495
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: It's a heart it's a much more convoluted math equation

1496
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: than it is just saying hey, I'm ready.

1497
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 2: Right break time for us here. When we get back,

1498
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 2: we'll get to the phones. We'll get to Judy, Ron

1499
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 2: and Nate who are holding there for us at eight

1500
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 2: oh three oh five fifty. In the next segment, here

1501
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 2: on an OBL Friday fan mail bag on one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned all right back here on one bill is Live,

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Speaker 2: and right back to the phones, we go on an

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Speaker 2: OBL for a fan mail bag and to Judy and Buffalo,

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Speaker 2: what you got Judy.

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Speaker 13: You know, I've just begun to thought about this today.

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Speaker 13: But you know, Brandon Bean doesn't get the criticism that

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Speaker 13: he deserves. I don't know how many years he squandered

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Speaker 13: top draft picks and defensive players who have not really

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Speaker 13: panned out. And then on top of that, he brings

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Speaker 13: on board a defensive player who had red flags all

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Speaker 13: around him. And we're in the hole for one hundred

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Speaker 13: and twenty million dollars. And to me, don't I don't

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Speaker 13: understand why this guy escapes the criticism that coaches all

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Speaker 13: over the league would beginning if this had happened.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what can you give me? Your your your draft

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Speaker 2: picks on defense that you didn't think worked out.

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Speaker 13: Let's face at Russo bash him. He's gone. The linebacker,

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Speaker 13: he's gone. I'm there of the cornerback. How many more

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Speaker 13: do you need?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I understand where you're coming from, Judy.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say this. I think the good as far

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Speaker 2: outweighed the bad. I think Rousseau is a solid player.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's an elite player, but I think

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Speaker 2: he's a solid player and there might still be some

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Speaker 2: assent to his game still left. I would say Elam

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Speaker 2: has been more a victim of circumstance than his ability

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Speaker 2: keeping him off the field. Christian Benford is a starting

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Speaker 2: corner that they got in the sixth round. To rel

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Speaker 2: Bernard as your starting middle linebacker that they got in

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Speaker 2: the third round, Boogie bashom did not work out. No,

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Speaker 2: ed Oliver is a Pro Bowl caliber defensive tackle. So

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Speaker 2: I think the good as far outwighed the bad.

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Speaker 1: And the reason they didn't keep Tremaine Edmonds is because

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Speaker 1: he turned into free agent. He's making fifteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: somewhere else, I mean somebody, you know. So he was

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Speaker 1: a pretty valuable piece that was that they lost a

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Speaker 1: free agency.

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Speaker 2: And you know, your point about von Miller is understood

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Speaker 2: and were taken. But I don't think anybody bargained him

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Speaker 2: to tear his acl either. I mean, when you sign

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Speaker 2: a free agent, anything under the sun is possible. But

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01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: I think he hedged his bets pretty darn good by

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01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 2: signing Leonard Floyd, who had ten and a half sacks

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Speaker 2: this season.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I'll say this too, one of the

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Speaker 1: and I get it too. We talk of Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 1: here all the time, every draft pick, every free agent signing,

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Speaker 1: every good play, bad play, good play, mistake. What we

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Speaker 1: never do is compare our guys, particularly Brandon Bean, to

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Speaker 1: other gms. And if you compare him to other gms,

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Speaker 1: I think that this hitter comparison, I think the comparison

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Speaker 1: is very favorable, favorable for Brandon Bean. Now, there may

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Speaker 1: be some guys who have hit on drafts bigger then

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Speaker 1: he has in the last year or two or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I think over the course of his time here

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo, he has far outstripped his competition as a

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Speaker 1: general manager.

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Speaker 2: He's got a higher hit rate.

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Speaker 1: Go look at some other team's drafts and you'll find

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Speaker 1: Buffalo's is right there with just about any of them,

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Speaker 1: if not all of them, and better than most.

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Speaker 2: One thing is, you know he almost never misses in

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Speaker 2: round one. Never, I mean run down the list. Jermaine Edmunds,

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen, ed Oliver no pick in twenty twenty because

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Speaker 2: he used it on Stefan Diggs. I think you'd take that.

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Speaker 2: And then you have Kyrie Elam, who is the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one first round pick I'm not even gonna remember.

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Speaker 2: And then last year was Dalton Kincaid. So I mean

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Speaker 2: your top pick, the guy's picking at the bottom of

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Speaker 2: the round and really, oh Greg Russop and you really

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Speaker 2: hasn't missed, So you can have your opinion on Kyrie

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Speaker 2: eland Mine is that he's been a victim of circumstance.

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a really good player

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Speaker 2: in this league and have a long career and maybe

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Speaker 2: it's not here, who knows, But I don't think he's

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Speaker 2: a miss.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's no question he does. He doesn't escape

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Speaker 1: criticism completely. But the problem is it's it's a really

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Speaker 1: difficult thing to project these young players into it. And

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Speaker 1: like I said, we here in Buffalo and just like

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Speaker 1: every other city in the league, they all lament the

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Speaker 1: fact they missed on draft picks. Buffalo's no different. But

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Speaker 1: I think I think when you compare draft picks year

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Speaker 1: over year, I think Brandon Bean is near the top

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Speaker 1: so and certainly he's picked some really good players that

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Speaker 1: we all love and respect, and I think he's he's

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Speaker 1: done really well. Not for nothing, He's done really well

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Speaker 1: in the later rounds. You know, you get Matt Mulano,

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Speaker 1: you get Tarren Johnson, Khalil Shakir, Christian Benford.

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Speaker 2: Even Dame Jackson as a seventh round pick is a

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Speaker 2: role player for you.

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Speaker 1: Dame Jackson is still hanging around here, so yes, he could.

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Speaker 1: You could give him some criticism over missing on a

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Speaker 1: couple on some guys over the years. But I think

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Speaker 1: the hard part is to go over and compare him

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Speaker 1: to other teams and see how hard it really is

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Speaker 1: when he got when he got thirty two teams and

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Speaker 1: a lot of them most of them are picking way, way,

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Speaker 1: way before Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: Gets a chance to pick their guys. Let's go back

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Speaker 2: to the phones and to Ron and cheek Towaga. What

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Speaker 2: do you got, Ron, Well, I'm.

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Speaker 8: Just worried of wondering about the salary cap for one,

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01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 8: not so much what the numbers are, but just the

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Speaker 8: processes of how I know Brandon Bean isn't the only

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Speaker 8: one that works on the salary cap. I was just

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Speaker 8: wondered some of the processes and why they don't make

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Speaker 8: that a little bit more obvious to the fans, because

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Speaker 8: it seems like it's a lot more complicated than just

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Speaker 8: adjusting some numbers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well, it is kind of complicated, and that's

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Speaker 1: kind of where you get. You get to that. You

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Speaker 1: get to complicated when you have a union negotiating with

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Speaker 1: thirty one billionaires. They complicate it so that they can

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01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: there if you want it. There are loopholes around, and

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01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:21,759
Speaker 1: most of these teams use those loopholes. While the salary

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Speaker 1: cap may be set, it is cost. It sets the

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01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: cost for a business, and that's one thing business owners like.

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01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: It sets their cost and they can spend money ahead

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Speaker 1: of it, but sooner or later they're not allowed to

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01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 1: spend it, and so it's it keeps them from It

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Speaker 1: protects them from themselves. Basically, that's how it works, and

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01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: it does keep the field more level than if you

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01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: just had them doing whatever they wanted with their salaries.

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Speaker 1: And that's I think part and parcel of why the

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Speaker 1: NFL is the eight hundred pound gorilla on the American

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01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: sports landscape. Buffalo and Green Bay and New Orleans and

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01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: Kansas City can compete with New York, LA, Chicago and Houston.

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Speaker 2: And I'll just say this, Ron, you might be deeply

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01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: interested in the inner workings of how they maneuver around

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Speaker 2: the salary cap. Sadly, though you're in the vast minority

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01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 2: of Buffalo's fan base, most Bills fans, all they care

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01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 2: about is, hey, do we resign that guy or is

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01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 2: he somewhere else? And that's really where that's as deep

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01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 2: as they want to go. But you know, as far

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Speaker 2: as the people that help brand Bean, it's Kevin me

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01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 2: Gank and Jim Overdorf in the front office. They kind

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01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 2: of handle all the salary cap maneuvers that need to

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01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 2: take place, and Brandon Bean's the one that has the

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01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 2: hard conversations with players if he needs to come to

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01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 2: them and say, hey, we need to renegotiate, or would

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01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,839
Speaker 2: you take a pay cut or something like that, because

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01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 2: some of that may have to happen this offseason as well.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Nate Infredonia next, what do you got Nate?

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Speaker 14: Hey, guys, I'm just thinking with the aging out mostly

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Speaker 14: on the defensive side of the ball coming forward here,

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Speaker 14: what what about giving Josh Allen the keys to the

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01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 14: car a little bit kind of like the old cake

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01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 14: On system or it seems to have a pretty good

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01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 14: understanding of what's going on in the field now and

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01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 14: maybe you can make quick decisions on what may work,

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01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 14: may what may not work moving forward. I don't even

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Speaker 14: know if it's possible in today's NFL, but I'll hang

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Speaker 14: up and listen.

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Speaker 1: But what do you mean by giving him the keys

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01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: and he wants to.

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Speaker 12: Play?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can do that. I think one thing's it.

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Speaker 1: It's a skill, no question about it. And one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons back in the day that it worked, and

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Speaker 1: we've talked about this a lot, is because it went

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Speaker 1: really really fast, I mean really fast, and it was

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Speaker 1: so fast that the other team really didn't even have

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01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: time to make substitutions. And that was part of the

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Speaker 1: of the success of that team, that offense and that

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01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: scheme was because it went so fast the other team

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01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 1: couldn't make adjustments. And they also had four Hall of

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01:24:57,920 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: Famers on that side of the ball on offense for

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Speaker 1: the Bills. So it's pretty hard to match up with that.

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Speaker 1: And once you got a defense on the field, you

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01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:06,879
Speaker 1: would run a couple of plays to find the matchup

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01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 1: that was an you could exploit and exploit it, and

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01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: you would if you could, and which they did really well.

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01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: They got first downs right out of the gate. And

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Speaker 1: when you did that, because the defense couldn't substitute, and

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Speaker 1: because it was going so fast, the big guys up

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01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 1: front got gassed, and so all of a sudden, your pat,

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01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: their pat the defense's pass rush evaporated because they were

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01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 1: all gassed. They couldn't even put they didn't even put

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01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: their hand down in their stands. They just stood there

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01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 1: and they were just leaning on the offensive line. So

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01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: then it began to steamroll throughout every every drive. It's

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01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,759
Speaker 1: a different world in the NFL today.

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Speaker 2: It's about specialized adjustments, sometimes series to series, sometimes play

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01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 2: to play, So to use a fast system that has

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01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 2: to be simplified in order to go fast may not

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01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 2: equip that offense with enough adjusts to be successful. I

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01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 2: don't think anybody for a second would think that Josh

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01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 2: would be incapable of handling it. He's a bright quarterback

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01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 2: and football mind. But the other thing I think we

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01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,759
Speaker 2: have to consider too is what changes does Joe Brady

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Speaker 2: have in mind for an offense that has largely remained

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01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 2: unchanged for Josh Allen's entire time with the Bills organization.

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Speaker 2: These are things that have to be considered as well,

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01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 2: because if he's going to make some changes in tweaks

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01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 2: and maybe even some terminology changes, then that might require

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01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 2: more study time. And then the thought of him doing

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Speaker 2: that in year one of what could be an altered

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01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 2: offensive system might be a little bit of a heavy

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Speaker 2: lift as well well.

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Speaker 1: Last thing too, When you're going fast like that back

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01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: in the day, Now you have defenses and radio signals

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01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 1: where you can be more exotic defensively and do some

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01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: things defensively on the fly. With players now and the

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01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:58,640
Speaker 1: way they run their schemes, you can do more on

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01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: the fly defensively and get some advantages where you didn't

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01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 1: have that ability thirty years ago.

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Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here. One final segment to go

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Speaker 2: on an obl Friday fan mail bag. We're back in

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Speaker 2: a flash here on one Bill's Live Stay tuned. One

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Speaker 2: final mail bag question or two this one from CBS

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Speaker 2: Sports add Kinka Walla, who as we know, as an

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01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 2: eight year old Bills fan in her house, and she says,

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01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,600
Speaker 2: my eight year old has already decided who he'd like

1716
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 2: the Bills to select in the draft. Do I humor

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01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,440
Speaker 2: him or do I begin the process of diminishing expectations.

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01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 2: There's an easy way around this, Aditi. You placate him

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01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 2: by indicating in the draft there's always a chance. But

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01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 2: then you give him a dosa regality and basically say,

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01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 2: let's not forget the Bills are picking twenty eighth and

1722
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:09,480
Speaker 2: they really can't control what happens in front of them

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01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 2: on the board.

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01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 1: So the truth is the best way.

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01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 2: I don't think any of that is even bending the truth. Yeah,

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01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 2: you know, there's always a chance, Just.

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01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 1: There's a chance, and to ask him why and then

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01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 1: go to the rhetoric, and if the Bills are on

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01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:25,719
Speaker 1: a different page, you got to prepare to say, listen,

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01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,919
Speaker 1: you're you're not gonna They're not gonna draft a quarterback.

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01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you know, I don't think he's thinking quarterback.

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01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 2: He loves Josh Allen.

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01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: I get it, but you know what I'm saying, you

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01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 1: just gotta you gotta be be honest with the guy.

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Speaker 1: He'll learn. Believe me, he's gonna learn one way or

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Speaker 1: the other. Yeah uh.

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01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 2: From Buffalo sports chatter, they ask who's calling the plays

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01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 2: on defense next season? That is yet to be determined.

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01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 2: Yet to be determined. I think that's something that they're

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01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 2: gonna go over in defensive meetings here once they get

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01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 2: back from a break. Usually the coaching staff takes a

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01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 2: vacation break right before the combine, and then they're back

1743
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 2: into the office right before they head out to Indy

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01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 2: for combine meetings, interviews with prospects and that kind of thing.

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01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 2: And then I assume when they get back from that,

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01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 2: you know, they'll start those discussions in earnest in March

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01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 2: when they start their off season planning sessions for the

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01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:16,839
Speaker 2: upcoming season.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 2: It's kind of how it works if I remember, yeah, yeah,

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01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 2: last one here, Steph says Steve, what did it feel

1752
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 2: like to become a Saturday Night Live skit? And who

1753
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 2: gave you more? Ribbing about it? Foreigner teammates, your family

1754
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 2: or friends.

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01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: In the business, My friends and family did. My phone

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01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: was silent after going live when the lights went out

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01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: by myself in front of one hundred and ten million people,

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01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 1: but my phone blew up the next week.

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01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 2: All right, we're back on Monday. Back to you, Steve, No,

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01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 2: back to you.