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Speaker 1: You know, we often try to push away difficult emotions,

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Speaker 1: but even our struggles can lead to healing and growth. Well,

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Speaker 1: today's guest is here to share why emotional health starts

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Speaker 1: with facing all of our feelings, not just the pleasant ones.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, join me around the

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Speaker 1: table is April Simons. You got to face them all.

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Speaker 1: You gotta face them all. We were talking before.

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Speaker 2: I got four daughters and a girl dog, so we

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Speaker 2: know emotions that family. And we got to estrogen flowing

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Speaker 2: over there, so I'm tuning in.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Dorothy Newton, you got two boys.

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Speaker 3: Boys, so you know they better get it together.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Rachel Lamb Brown, you have two boys, it's.

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Speaker 4: Two boys, and men have emotions too, imagine the women.

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Speaker 1: But I'm glad we're.

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Speaker 4: Talking about this because we have literally a pandemic and

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Speaker 4: this younger generation of your roiety depression, just fear, anxious.

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Speaker 1: And panic attacks, all these crazy things. Yeah, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: really do. We're going to talk about that. Cindy Johnson,

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Speaker 1: how are you hey? I'm ready to go. We gotta

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Speaker 1: we got to master our emotions. And well, I need

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Speaker 1: to be a responder and not a reactor, because a

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Speaker 1: lot of times I react, it's doesn't bring out the

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Speaker 1: best you know, so are you? I'm good? Thank you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's going to be good to listen

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Speaker 5: today of if we have emotions that are not so

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Speaker 5: good or healthy, why are we having them and be

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Speaker 5: able to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: And we're just so glad to have doctor Kevin Chapman

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Speaker 1: at the table today. Welcome, Thank you ladies, so good

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Speaker 1: to have you. You know, after years of psychological research,

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Speaker 1: doctor Kevin Chapman realized that God was calling him to

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Speaker 1: help people to navigate discomfort and take control of their souls.

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Speaker 1: He joins us to discuss his book, Mastering Our Emotions.

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Speaker 1: So before we get into the book, tell us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about growing up and how it shaped you

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Speaker 1: to who you are today.

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Speaker 6: Well, Joni, I'll tell you what I grew up in Louisville, Kentucky.

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Speaker 6: I even say it the right way, Louisville right him know,

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Speaker 6: I'm from there, ay Man. And they grew up in

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Speaker 6: a single parent home in an environment where there's a

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Speaker 6: lot of crime, drugs, gangs, the things, the things you

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Speaker 6: often hear about stereotypically. And I grew up mostly with

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Speaker 6: my grandmother frankly, and she was a praying woman of God,

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Speaker 6: and she always had her hand on me. She always said, boy,

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Speaker 6: we're going to church, whether.

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Speaker 1: God for the grandmother, for the grandmothers.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know, I didn't have much of an option,

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Speaker 6: but I had to go to church. Yeah, didn't have

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Speaker 6: a relationship with God, but knew where he was.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you grew up there in that area, was

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Speaker 1: to college and somewhere along the way you're going to

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Speaker 1: become a psychologist, and you're going to meet your wife,

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Speaker 1: and somewhere along the way you're going to receive the

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Speaker 1: Lord and really make him lord of your life. When

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Speaker 1: did that happen for ye?

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Speaker 6: So that happened to us early on in college, particularly

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Speaker 1: Okay, So talking about what kind of life were you living,

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Speaker 1: we were living those stereotypical college life.

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Speaker 6: I was a two sport athlete and you know, my

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Speaker 6: and hang out and do the college things, right, So

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Speaker 6: we would act crazy and while like a lot of

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Speaker 6: college students unfortunately do. But her parents had a radical

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Speaker 1: Where it happened to her parents.

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Speaker 7: By the way, Joni, it's amazing.

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Speaker 6: So the story goes, because I didn't know them pre salvation, right,

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Speaker 6: is that they were you know, they drank, they cussed,

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Speaker 6: they threw things, the things, and yet they had a

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Speaker 6: radical transformation and an encounter with the Lord.

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Speaker 1: My wife it happened to they go to a church

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Speaker 6: So my wife's aunt was tragically murdered, and as a

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Speaker 7: My father in law, the Lord.

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Speaker 6: Spoke to him kind of like Acts nine and said,

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Speaker 6: who are these people? And that's how they got us

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Speaker 1: I love it when people first het saying they were

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Speaker 1: What was your wife thinking?

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Speaker 7: Well, she thought that we.

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Speaker 1: All together at that point.

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Speaker 6: Oh no, we were still in college, so we were

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Speaker 6: who are these people? I don't know, y'all? Right, and

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Speaker 6: lo and behold, they kept doing it sticky.

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Speaker 7: Note scripture, scripture scripture.

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Speaker 6: We're like, okay, they had to change, my wife said,

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Speaker 6: ultimately that's all I knew. So we went to church

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Speaker 6: with him on one occasion, why not?

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Speaker 1: And so what happened when you win? On that occasion?

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Speaker 7: We went to church, we.

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Speaker 6: Got into worship. My wife tends to get emotional with it.

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Speaker 6: She started crying and things, and you know, they had,

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Speaker 6: of course the call for salvation, and we were like,

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Speaker 6: working it out.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing, isn't not amazing to y'all how someone can

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Speaker 1: hear the gospel and their heart can be open and

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Speaker 1: they just say yes. I mean, it's just that simple.

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Speaker 1: Like some of you watching right now, the Lord has

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Speaker 1: brought you to this program for right now, for this time,

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Speaker 1: for this season, for this moment, for your heart to

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Speaker 1: going to try that. Just Jesus, you know, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to give you a shot. Come into my heart, forgive me.

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Speaker 1: And that's all you have to do is just call

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Speaker 1: if we confess our sins, He's faithful and just forgive

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Speaker 1: us of all our sins and just from all and righteous.

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Speaker 1: That's huge. It is no matter what you've done, he

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Speaker 1: saying to you today, I'll forgive you, I'll make you clean,

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Speaker 1: I'll come into your heart. So that happened to you.

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Speaker 1: Your grandmother had planned a lot of seas, Yes, you did.

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Speaker 1: So when you heard it, there was already that that

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Speaker 7: I did.

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Speaker 6: I had an inner witness, we all do, and I knew,

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Speaker 6: like those prayers weren't in vain. And now my Lamy's

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Speaker 6: raided down to sleeps. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: I knew something was different inside of me, and I

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Speaker 6: knew that I was called for a bigger purpose. I

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Speaker 6: when I gave up right surrendered, then ultimately that's when

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Speaker 1: Always say that. That's the first book I wrote was

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Speaker 1: called Surrender All and then it the Holy Spirit gave

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Speaker 1: me a line and he said write this. He said,

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Speaker 1: your lack of surrender will have a profound effect on

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Speaker 1: those who are destined to be connected to your purpose.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think about that. He did. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: wrote it down quick, but I mean that's why do

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Speaker 1: you realize how many people would have been affected had

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Speaker 1: you not surrendered? Because God knows what he's put on

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Speaker 1: beyond you surrendering your heart to God and saying, okay, Lord,

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Speaker 1: I surrender. There's so much more than he's fashioned you

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Speaker 1: for that you do not even know anything about. That's right,

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Speaker 1: and you that happened with you, It did so at

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Speaker 1: some point y'all decided to get married. We did do

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Speaker 1: so tell us how that happened.

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Speaker 6: Well until that point, Joni, I think that, like you

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Speaker 6: mentioned the psychology piece, and most people who go to

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Speaker 6: and my freshman year great or no. That's why you

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Speaker 6: can't commit it a major until your sophomore year. But

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Speaker 6: my freshman year I was drawn a psychology instantly, and

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Speaker 6: didn't have to figure that out because God start bringing

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Speaker 6: And as a result of that, that's when I got

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Speaker 6: going looking back. All that training was for the body though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now you had had a situation with your mother.

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Speaker 6: Which is really important with her you all know, right

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Speaker 6: as ladies, like at fourteen you're figuring out, you're figuring

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Speaker 7: What direction you want to go?

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Speaker 6: It's changing, everything is changing hormones, you're changing everything, blinging boys, right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Happened with your mom exactly?

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Speaker 6: Do you think she had a breakdown essentially and coming

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Speaker 7: So she went to.

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Speaker 6: Go get treatment, and I had the option to go

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Speaker 6: stay with my grandmother at that time because that's where

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and you feel stability there I did with

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Speaker 1: decide to go into psychology and what drew you to

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Speaker 1: this whole mastering our emotions dealing with anxiety and fear,

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Speaker 1: because you now have a clinic that deals with.

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Speaker 6: What anxiety and fear specifically.

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Speaker 1: In the world today. And you're Rachel in this generation, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you.

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Speaker 4: We have an entire generation, yes we do, who is

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Speaker 4: and so what would you say.

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Speaker 6: To them, Rachel? That's powerful. Feelings aren't fact. And I

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Speaker 6: think ultimately what you said about a generation being led

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Speaker 6: The bottom lines that's a deception of the enemy. And ultimately,

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Speaker 6: I think so many people in this generation. Social media

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Speaker 6: is easy to do. It has positive advantages to it, clearly,

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Speaker 6: but if we're on it constantly, we can't communicate with

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Speaker 6: other people, we can't hear God, we get distracted, and

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Speaker 6: essentially what we're doing Rachel's we're avoiding our emotions.

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Speaker 7: But there is a better way, and.

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Speaker 6: You can use social media and what have you appropriately,

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Speaker 6: But ultimately the Lord has something bigger.

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Speaker 4: For you that how do you filter the emotion and

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Speaker 4: what you're feeling and that moment from what is actually true?

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Speaker 7: You know that's a powerful question.

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Speaker 6: It's the single most important thing you can do because

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Speaker 6: going to reveal things see you, Like you.

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Speaker 1: Said, April, So have you ever had clients that come

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Speaker 6: You hit the nail on the head, Jony, because the

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Speaker 7: Do your part because Jesus did his.

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Speaker 6: I can't help you, but neither can anyone else.

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Speaker 1: What about people that say you can't mix mix psychology

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Speaker 1: in the Bible, Well.

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Speaker 6: The irony is that the Word of God came first

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Speaker 6: and tells us all the things you know in psychology.

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Speaker 1: And there's a verse for everything, literally everything. Wow, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I need you to stay right there. We're going to

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Speaker 1: be right back in just a moment with doctor Kevin Chapman.

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Speaker 10: Some books deserve to be held, cherished, remembered. This book

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Speaker 10: is more than that. It's a place to meet God.

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Speaker 1: Every verse invites you.

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Speaker 10: To slow down to listen, along with a journal that

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Speaker 1: Now, welcome back everyone. We're talking with doctor Kevin Chapman. Cindy,

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Speaker 1: you had a question.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what about on the being skills of mastering our emotions?

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Speaker 5: What about the one that is being renewed?

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Speaker 6: That one's powerful because I think most any believer knows

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Speaker 6: is you see the lie?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, right away. Step one.

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Speaker 6: that come from the Word of God to challenge those thoughts.

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Speaker 6: What does it what's a scripture that speaks against this thought?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 6: What does two Timothy one to seven say about this thought?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 6: So you identify those questions and you challenge those thoughts,

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Speaker 6: and then you put on the new man a technique

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Speaker 6: we talk about Esians four, twenty three and twenty four

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Speaker 6: where we literally put on a new thought and then

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Speaker 6: confront situations repeatedly, and then your brain has to take

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Speaker 6: hold of it.

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Speaker 5: As doesn't the brain do the neuroplasticity?

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Speaker 7: Indeed it does.

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Speaker 6: And that's what's ironic about the Word of God is

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Speaker 6: that Romans twelve too literally is neuroplasticity and changing your

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Speaker 6: neural pathways through renew in your mind.

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Speaker 1: What about being adaptive?

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Speaker 6: Being adaptive is one of those things like Joni might

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Speaker 6: throw me off for this one, but a lot of people,

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Speaker 6: a lot of people get scared of this one because

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Speaker 6: being adaptive is all about saying, how do I avoid

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Speaker 6: my emotions?

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one.

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Speaker 3: I think I went overboard with my boys. You know,

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Speaker 3: when I think back, they didn't. They weren't expressive of theirs,

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Speaker 3: nor was I right on many many occasions, so being

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Speaker 3: adaptive is wow, I think I'm messed up.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know what, though, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: you know, men are as you know, gender socialization, are

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Speaker 6: often taught to not express emotions. And those of you

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Speaker 6: all have boys, me being one myself, I assure you

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Speaker 6: that we often see anger when it might be anxiety

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Speaker 6: in a guy because that's something that's socially accepted, when

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Speaker 6: in reality, the Lord has caught like David and Psalm's

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Speaker 6: for for, he says, be angry, but do not send

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Speaker 6: meditate in your heart, in your bed, and be still.

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Speaker 6: He not only says be angry, but he tells you

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Speaker 6: to take a step back, process it, and then respond

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Speaker 6: to it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So how do we be adaptive? Give us an

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Speaker 1: example of that with a patient.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so given an example.

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Speaker 6: So, first of all, I have a list of five

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Speaker 6: ways we avoid emotions. Here's the part where I was like, oh,

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Speaker 6: don't throw a posse.

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Speaker 7: You go ahead, All right, we goes, I'm on load.

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Speaker 7: Here we go.

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Speaker 6: So we have total avoidance where we avoid things. Oh,

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Speaker 6: I don't do fill in the blank, I don't do crowds,

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Speaker 6: I don't do interstates. A believer should never say that

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Speaker 6: subtle avoidance. Oh I can order food, but I don't

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Speaker 6: make eye contact. Or Oh I can go to the movie,

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Speaker 6: but I have to sit on the aisle because if

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Speaker 6: I sit in the middle, right, worry is avoidance. One

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Speaker 6: of you all mentioned earlier post event processing leaving a

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Speaker 6: social situation and thinking, oh, did I say that when

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Speaker 6: I stand in too close?

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Speaker 7: Did I?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Man, I can't believe I said that. I shouldn't look

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Speaker 7: at that.

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Speaker 6: Those sort of things, procrastinations, avoidance, believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: Explain that a little more because I think I might

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Speaker 1: do that.

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Speaker 6: So well, we're being honest, right, Prayer ministers are somewhere

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Speaker 6: in here. We all procrastinated times. And I think when

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Speaker 6: we procrastinate, we're avoiding uncomfortable emotions.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 6: We put things off. So you write those downs, Joni,

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Speaker 6: and then you come up with alternative actions, being adaptive.

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Speaker 6: How can I be adaptive and challenge how I avoid emotions?

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Speaker 6: And then my brain bows They needed that too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So we do those things that we think

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Speaker 1: we can do. Exactly other words, we sit in the

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Speaker 1: middle seat on the playing purpose of fear.

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Speaker 2: Exactly what it is I did that I said in

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Speaker 2: the middle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this one. It's about being brave.

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Speaker 6: That's perfect, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you respond, So.

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Speaker 6: Being brave it is exactly what you said and what

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Speaker 6: you did. Praise God, and being brave is taking I

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Speaker 6: call it a menu, Joni. We take a menu of

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Speaker 6: situations and we say what are the things I've been

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Speaker 6: been in bondage from.

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Speaker 7: So it might be, oh, I.

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Speaker 6: Don't like air travel, I don't like elevators, I can't

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Speaker 6: speak in public. So you equip yourself with all these skills.

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Speaker 6: We're talking about being brave, right, power, love, and the

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Speaker 6: sound mind is saying, I'm not going to be a

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Speaker 6: slave to these situations. They have to bow the need

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Speaker 6: of me and my authority. So ultimately, when I make

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Speaker 6: that list of situations, I pick them off one by one.

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Speaker 6: I fly multiple times, I ride elevators multiple.

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Speaker 1: Times, and so on and so forth right, And you know,

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Speaker 1: for me, what I think about those things that are

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Speaker 1: difficult like that, that are uncomfortable situations many times that

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Speaker 1: you're placed in, always think about Okay, Holy Spirit, you

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Speaker 1: know he is with us. Why Jesus said it is

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Speaker 1: expeding that I go away, that the comforter, yes may

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Speaker 1: come and he is like the one who's called alongside

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Speaker 1: to lead and guide us. And we have to understand

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Speaker 1: we're not alone.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 1: So that helps me, like I know, I'm not alone

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Speaker 1: in anything I do in life. I am never alone.

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Speaker 1: He is with us. And to understand that, don't you

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Speaker 1: think that gives discourage?

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Speaker 6: That's powerful joan into that. Right, that's a great point

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Speaker 6: and that is again perfect love cast out fear, because

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Speaker 6: fear involves torment. Knowing that God loves me so much

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Speaker 6: so that these things can't have authority over me should

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Speaker 6: comfort me to know that I'm never alone.

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Speaker 1: So tell us where is your clinic at And for

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Speaker 1: people that are watching them in the area, are they

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Speaker 1: welcome to come?

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Speaker 7: They absolutely are.

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Speaker 6: We have people that fly and this is our clinics

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Speaker 6: in Louisvie, Kentucky. It's the Kentucky Center for Anxiety and

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Speaker 6: Related Disorders ky cards dot com.

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Speaker 7: But we have our ministry.

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Speaker 6: Part of that arm, the DBA is Soundmimministries dot org.

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Speaker 6: So they can come in Louisville, Kentucky, fly in and

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Speaker 6: we'll get them together and they can go home free.

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Speaker 1: So for people that are opened to truth, and if

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Speaker 1: you will Messing what you've learned in psychology with the

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Speaker 1: word of God. What do you think is the rate

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Speaker 1: of success?

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Speaker 7: You know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 6: I think the rate of success because of the way

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Speaker 6: that we're able to do that. We don't have any restrictions.

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Speaker 6: People don't tell us what to do. We can get

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Speaker 6: in the car with people we work with, we can

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Speaker 6: get on the interstate with them, lock arms with them,

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Speaker 6: and do the things. If they're willing to do the work,

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Speaker 6: well over ninety five percent of people they.

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Speaker 7: Have to do the work.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. So do you ever get any pushback from

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Speaker 1: the world of psychology?

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Speaker 6: You know what, Joni, that's such an interesting question because

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Speaker 6: the short version of that, that's a powerful question because

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Speaker 6: you know, of course when I wrote the book, I

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Speaker 12: Go right.

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Speaker 7: You would be.

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Speaker 6: Shocked, maybe not of how many of the secular organizations

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Speaker 6: have been so interested in me talking about that book

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Speaker 6: in secular networks because they're so hungry for something, right,

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Speaker 6: so it was the opposite effect.

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Speaker 1: And because they really want to see their patients get better,

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Speaker 1: they do. They do, And this is what God has

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Speaker 1: given you as if you will kind of the secret

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Speaker 1: sauce to really see people get free, and that's what

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Speaker 1: you want to see. They all love that. But if

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Speaker 1: you're in Louisville and you got that, or you can

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Speaker 1: fly in, I mean, but sometimes they'll leave in the

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Speaker 1: middle side sometimes that there's something more that's needed. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's some some real counseling that needs to take place.

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Speaker 1: And so you want to put yourself in the right situation.

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Speaker 1: So I applaud you for what you're doing. You're so

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Speaker 1: proud of you. Well, we are out of time on

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Speaker 1: you to remember that God created you to master your emotions,

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Speaker 1: not be mastered by them. Of course, with the Holy

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Speaker 1: spirits help your most uncomfortable emotions we all have those

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Speaker 1: from time to time can actually become tools for transformation,

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Speaker 1: leading you in wholeness. So I think about myself sitting here.

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Speaker 1: Probably one of my greatest fears growing up would be

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Speaker 1: speaking to people. And now this is what I do.

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Speaker 1: This is amazing. So if you're watching today and you

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Speaker 1: need prayer, you can call the number on your screen.

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Speaker 1: We have prayer partners that are standing by. If you

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Speaker 1: prayed that prayer and just said Jesus, I need you.

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Speaker 1: I want you to call let us know about that,

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Speaker 1: because I'd love to send you the Gospel of John.

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Speaker 1: It's a great place to start in the Word of

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Speaker 1: God and that Hey, this is an exciting new journey

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Speaker 1: that you're about to begin. I want to thank doctor

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Speaker 1: Kevin Chapman for joining us today. Be sure you pick

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Speaker 1: up a copy of his book Mastering Our Emotions. For more,

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Speaker 1: you can visit him online at Soundmindministries dot org. His

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Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor Chapman.

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Speaker 7: Thank you being. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And when you write your next book that God takes

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Speaker 1: you to I want you to come back and be

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Speaker 1: with us. Ladies. Thank you for sharing your emotions today,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for giving yours to the Lord, and we'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time.

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Speaker 13: Bye bye for today.

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Speaker 1: Well, today's guest is an award winning musician who has

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Speaker 1: led worship experiences around the world. He's also an author

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Speaker 1: and the founder of overflow Culture Global. Please welcome Michael

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Speaker 1: Bethany as he performs Okay, one of my favorite songs

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Speaker 1: in all the world, and it's a song that he wrote.

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Speaker 1: It's a song that will bless you. So sit down

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Speaker 1: for just a minute and listen. Walk with you.

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Speaker 14: Early you wait for meround chounting down. The sir comes

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Speaker 14: sly open of my.

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Speaker 9: I hear your advice.

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Speaker 14: Shut you have been s pay sho, so Lord, this

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Speaker 14: is my reply. I wanna walk with you, hand talk

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Speaker 14: with you.

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Speaker 15: Here speak feel reading, walk ben you.

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Speaker 16: Hand talk with you.

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Speaker 17: Here speak feary, breading, walk with you.

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Speaker 7: By the quiet.

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Speaker 17: You feel me with your peace through the darkest family.

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Speaker 15: I know, I know that you're with me.

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Speaker 14: The beauty pass.

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Speaker 17: It seals me with shure. There you are all ivy.

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Speaker 15: I wanna walk, baby, and talk with you.

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Speaker 9: He speak really breathing.

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Speaker 15: Wald.

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Speaker 18: And song with you.

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Speaker 15: I want to give speak shealna breathything, walk with you.

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Speaker 16: I wanna walk with you.

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Speaker 14: I wanna know, not just some bow.

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Speaker 16: Wanna be with you and not just sore around you.

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Speaker 16: I wanna love you, not just be love by.

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Speaker 15: Waa wa I wanna, I wanna know you, just wanna

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Speaker 15: up be with you and not just sun you.

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Speaker 7: I wanna.

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Speaker 9: Be chess all you fun.

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Speaker 15: I work with you Jesus.

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Speaker 13: Every day that nice.

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Speaker 7: I want to talk with you.

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Speaker 13: The my son work out.

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Speaker 7: And I wanna.

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Speaker 9: With you and song wheny you come on sing, I

675
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Speaker 9: want to.

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Speaker 15: Hear speaking and feel you read there you see that and.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 12: And when I hear, when.

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Speaker 15: I hear you speaking, I want to feel your head.

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Speaker 12: I do.

681
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Speaker 3: I wanna give you.

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Speaker 16: I wanna you myself.

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Speaker 15: I wanna.

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Speaker 9: Follow you answer, I wanna keep sweet me walk with you.

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Speaker 9: Come on, sing it out.

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Speaker 15: I wanna walk.

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Speaker 9: This is my prayer, my one desire.

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Speaker 6: Just to know you and benoan of you.

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Speaker 9: Oh God, I wanna.

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Speaker 15: With you.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I love that song and I want you to

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Speaker 1: know that not only do I want to walk with

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Speaker 1: my heavenly father every day, he wants to.

695
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Speaker 7: Walk with you.

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Speaker 1: And that's what that song talks about. You know, so

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Speaker 1: many times we often picture the wilderness as empty and lifeless,

698
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Speaker 1: but in God's hands, it can be fertile ground for

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Speaker 1: purpose and growth. Michael Bethany's going to join us to

700
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Speaker 1: share how John the Baptist wilderness lifestyle helped shape his

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Speaker 1: creative journey. But first joining you on the table is

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Speaker 1: Michelle Wilkins. How are you? I'm great good to love

703
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Speaker 1: that song? Oh my gosh, isn't that wonderful? Yeah, wonderful song? Powerful?

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Speaker 1: And I know miss Anna you like to sing Welcome

705
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Speaker 1: to the table. Anna.

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Speaker 19: You know that song is the cry of everyone's heart

707
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Speaker 19: to be able to be intimate with God.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I love it, you know, Rachel. We're going

709
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Speaker 1: to talk about the wilderness experience with Michael. Sometimes we

710
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Speaker 1: go through the wilderness, it grows us closer to the

711
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Speaker 1: Lord in our walk with God. Even though that doesn't

712
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Speaker 1: preach well.

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Speaker 4: It does, it doesn't preach well, but there's oftentimes a

714
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Speaker 4: level of intimacy that you can only reach with the

715
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Speaker 4: Father when you go through something really hard and really difficult,

716
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Speaker 4: and there's something beautiful that's produced from those seasons. Our

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Speaker 4: waiting seasons don't have to be wasted seasons if we get.

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Speaker 1: Them to the jorth. Newton, You've had a few wilderness

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Speaker 1: here and there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, But what I know for sure is

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Speaker 3: that if God calls you to it, he will see

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Speaker 3: you through it.

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Speaker 1: Always we're getting all these one liners for your preachers

724
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Speaker 1: out there watching right now.

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Speaker 3: He's always with us where we are, He's there, and

726
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Speaker 3: it's such a beautiful comfort in knowing that we're never alone.

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Speaker 1: It's right, you murder. I know you love that song.

728
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Speaker 1: Walk with you.

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Speaker 5: Some of my most intimate times with God, we're in

730
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Speaker 5: those wilderness times, and you find yourself really almost like

731
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Speaker 5: Mary that washed his feet with her tears and her hair,

732
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Speaker 5: her tears in her hair, as you see your place

733
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Speaker 5: in those most intimate times, because it's in the it's

734
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Speaker 5: in the wilderness experience, it is in the trials of life.

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Speaker 1: It's in the valley that you're either going to push

736
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Speaker 1: into him, your creator, or you're going to go the

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Speaker 1: other way.

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Speaker 5: And it's in the valley where he restored, He restores

739
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Speaker 5: our soul.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Michael Bethany, Welcome to the table.

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Speaker 9: Thank y'all for having me, well.

742
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. Written a book Life in

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Speaker 1: the Wild. Just appreciate your music so much. You've been

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Speaker 1: such a blessing. And again, you know how much I

745
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: love that song. I want you to write another song similar.

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Speaker 9: You know I already have you absolutely the secret place

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Speaker 9: all right, Well.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back a little bit and talk about your

749
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Speaker 1: growing up and kind of your foray into the wilderness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: You know, so I grew up in my father's church,

752
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Speaker 8: and it was the you know, being a p K.

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Speaker 8: Any PK's on the panel sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Rachel over here.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, ministry kid. Sometimes you can, you can get

756
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Speaker 9: a rep.

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Speaker 8: But I'm so grateful for being raised that way because

758
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Speaker 8: I got exposed to the presence of God early, and

759
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Speaker 8: I got exposed to the presence of God before I

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Speaker 8: understood who he.

761
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Speaker 9: Was or what that would mean for me. But your child,

762
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Speaker 9: I was just a kid.

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Speaker 8: My father was pastoring even as a young kid. I

764
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Speaker 8: recalled my father preaching a sermon sitting next to my

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Speaker 8: mother and I just started crying. And my mother thought

766
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Speaker 8: I was being whiny and she's like nudging me. And

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Speaker 8: I remember this like it was just like, what's wrong

768
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Speaker 8: with you?

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Speaker 9: Boy?

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Speaker 8: You know, you know how mothers are in church, You're like,

771
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Speaker 8: get yourself against And I just said, whatever dad is saying, it's.

772
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Speaker 7: Making me cry.

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Speaker 1: And then she was probably really tough, and then she

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Speaker 1: was touching.

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Speaker 8: She was like so then she encouraged me to go

776
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Speaker 8: up to give my life to Jesus, and that was

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Speaker 8: the first moment I can recall really experiencing the presence

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Speaker 8: of God and I got a chance to respond, and

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Speaker 8: that just set the theme of life that the presence

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Speaker 8: of God would always lead the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you know, your dad passed me.

782
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Speaker 9: My father passed away.

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Speaker 8: I was twenty years old, and that was such a

784
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Speaker 8: challenging time because it disrupted.

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Speaker 9: What I thought my future would look like as a kid.

786
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Speaker 9: I thought I was going to follow his footsteps.

787
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Speaker 8: And be the pastor of that church, and then he

788
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Speaker 8: has to sell the church, he's sick, and then he

789
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Speaker 8: passes away just like that, and all of what I

790
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 8: thought my future would be was gone. And then I

791
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 8: had to really that That's what many times when we

792
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Speaker 8: talk about the wilderness, the entry point of the wilderness

793
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 8: is typically something that seems really bad, but you have

794
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Speaker 8: to understand that it's God that leads us into the wilderness.

795
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Speaker 8: It's God that led that children of Israel into the world,

796
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Speaker 8: even God that led Jesus, yes into the wilderness.

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Speaker 4: If you weren't just dealing with the loss of a dream,

798
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Speaker 4: but the loss of your dad.

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Speaker 9: The loss of my father.

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Speaker 8: But it's in the wilderness that we really get an

801
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 8: experience that's authenticated by the presence of God. And one

802
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 8: of the wor I like to talk about the wilderness

803
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 8: is it is a place that's organic in nature. That

804
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 8: means everything that grows there, it doesn't grow by human

805
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 8: interference or help or support. It grows by God's intention.

806
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 8: And so it doesn't matter how you got there. Thank

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Speaker 8: God you got there.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Of course, all of you kids grew up singing, playing

810
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, instrument yeah, and so that was instilled in you.

811
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Speaker 1: You knew that you were no need to sing, so

812
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: you ended up getting married.

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Speaker 8: I did, and then I had I had my first son, Yeah,

814
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Speaker 8: and then when he was a kid, he would have

815
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Speaker 8: these seizures and I remember holding him in my arms

816
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Speaker 8: while he was seizing. And now I'm not a true

817
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 8: failure the definition. I don't have health insurance, I'm doing music.

818
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 8: I've quit my corporate job to go do ministry, and

819
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Speaker 8: now I can't take care of my family. And now

820
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Speaker 8: my son is sick, and you know, he's a teenager.

821
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Speaker 8: Now he's driving and all that kind of stuff. But

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Speaker 8: looking at the fragile point in that season where it

823
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Speaker 8: seemed like this is where you question God like, Okay,

824
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Speaker 8: you called me to leave my hometown to move to Dallas.

825
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 8: You called me out of the corporate space where I

826
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Speaker 8: had great health insurance to do this ministry where I

827
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 8: have no health insurance. And I'm trying to put two

828
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 8: into together. And now my son is sick. But everything

829
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 8: was a one track road to meet him.

830
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Speaker 9: And so what happened?

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Speaker 1: Did God see you through all of that? Oh?

832
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Speaker 8: He saw me through all of it, But you didn't

833
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Speaker 8: stop there.

834
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Speaker 9: I almost lost my house.

835
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Speaker 8: I mean literally, I almost lost everything. In the book,

836
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 8: I talk about necessary pain, okay, and these incidents in

837
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 8: my life brought about the necessary pain that I needed

838
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Speaker 8: to respond to God. And there's something about comfort that

839
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 8: will cause you not to hear God. But I am

840
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 8: so drawn to the comforts of life that as long

841
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Speaker 8: as I'm comfortable, I don't.

842
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Speaker 9: Sense my desperation.

843
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 8: But thatary pain, it will cause you to realize how

844
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Speaker 8: desperate you are for what you really need.

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Speaker 1: You doors begin to open. You were some of the

846
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: greatest artists, worked with Kirk Franklin, Fred Hammond. And sometimes

847
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: you wonder the great voices, you know, sometimes this background

848
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: voices are the real talent. I mean you started getting

849
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Speaker 1: called for everything. Yeah, and you're thinking, Okay, well, this

850
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: is my track, that's what I'm going to do.

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Speaker 9: I thought I was gonna sing.

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Speaker 1: You know, you did, and I did, and you do.

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00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 8: But I didn't understand that singing was the first thing

854
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 8: I learned I could do. And sometimes the danger of

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00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 8: I call a platform talent, right, a person who has

856
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 8: an ability that puts you right in front of people.

857
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 8: You end up falling in love with the first thing

858
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 8: you learn you can do, and then you define all

859
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 8: of your life by doing that. It would have been

860
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 8: like David saying I can I can.

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Speaker 9: Play this harp.

862
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Speaker 8: I'm gonna be a worldwide and that I want to play.

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Speaker 8: I want to play before the Lord.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna play Championship.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to Yes, you know, I'm gonna play my

866
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 8: instrument in front of the Kings and everyone's going nowhere

867
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 8: for that. But that was only one thing that was

868
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 8: really revealing the power and presence of God through his life.

869
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Speaker 8: But that would be different seasons that would call for

870
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 8: different assignments and different skill set.

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Speaker 1: But this is the thing about David. I think and

872
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Speaker 1: I can say this about you, I can say this

873
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: about myself. We might have started in music, but it

874
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: would be the worship and understanding how important that was

875
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Speaker 1: that when we moved to other identities, that in the

876
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: time of trouble we'd go back to that worship. Then

877
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: we come you know what I'm saying. I mean, we

878
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: understood how important it was to have that facet in

879
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: our life that continue that in the time of trouble,

880
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: we know how to worship. David knew how to do that.

881
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: He knew how to call out on God. And the

882
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Speaker 1: thing about David that stands out to me, Yes, he

883
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: went from a shepherd and to being of course anointed

884
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: by Samuel, but then playing in the palace, to an

885
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: armor bearer, to a warrior, to a king. I mean,

886
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: it kept his identity, kept changing promotion. But what was

887
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Speaker 1: it he said? As a king? He said, when he sinned,

888
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Speaker 1: he went before God, he repented and he said, please don't.

889
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Speaker 9: Take what your spirit, come on your spirit from me.

890
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean, how important is that for you to retain

891
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: that as you move into these different roles.

892
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Speaker 8: You know, just recently I just recorded my second live album,

893
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Speaker 8: did the conference, and in this season there's been so

894
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 8: much responsibility.

895
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 9: My prayer has been Lord.

896
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Speaker 8: As I'm growing in responsibility and having to do so

897
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Speaker 8: much and travel, Lord helped me to maintain the heart

898
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Speaker 8: of intimacy and not to lose that. And I am

899
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Speaker 8: so grateful even in some of the most chaotic periods

900
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Speaker 8: of time. It is that that holds everything together, the

901
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 8: ability to be sensitive to the presence of God.

902
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Speaker 9: I remained intimate with him.

903
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Michelle, I know you're a singer and understand

904
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: the importance of worship, but beyond that, God has a

905
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: plan and purpose for everybody's life. Absolutely absolutely.

906
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Speaker 11: You know.

907
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Speaker 20: One of the things I used to watch my fellow

908
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 20: singers worshippers as we were growing up, trying to figure out,

909
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 20: you know, where God was going to lead us when

910
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Speaker 20: we lived in Nashville, And you know, here we are

911
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Speaker 20: with this anointing, Here we are with this gift, Here

912
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Speaker 20: we are with our insecurities, here we are with all

913
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Speaker 20: the things right. And of course you worked with CC one,

914
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Speaker 20: yes I did, and Man Lisa and some wonderful people.

915
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Speaker 20: But while we were all there, there were times where

916
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Speaker 20: we needed someone to say, this is what you do

917
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Speaker 20: with this waiting season, this is what you do with

918
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Speaker 20: this painful season.

919
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Speaker 1: Does I mean God has lost you know, you lost touch.

920
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Speaker 20: With you or you're you know, you're floundering around not

921
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 20: knowing what God wants you to do. But what do

922
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Speaker 20: you do with the anointing that God has given you?

923
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 20: How do you discipline you know, your life to make

924
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Speaker 20: sure that you protect that intimacy. There weren't many voices

925
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Speaker 20: that were saying this is what you do. We were

926
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Speaker 20: just applauding a talent and gifting and raising people that

927
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Speaker 20: didn't necessarily have the character to be where they were placed,

928
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 20: and so we need to stay to sustain them.

929
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Speaker 1: And so I love what you're doing.

930
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 20: How you pour into creatives, and others are now rising

931
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Speaker 20: up to do the same. But where it's so needed

932
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Speaker 20: and so necessary, so that we can be who God's

933
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Speaker 20: called us to be in the fullness he called us

934
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Speaker 20: to be.

935
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Speaker 8: Absolutely that's really my heart. And even in this book,

936
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Speaker 8: I call it a road map. There's so many people

937
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 8: that just don't understand what God is doing, and you

938
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 8: can start making it all about yourself. Yes, and this

939
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Speaker 8: is one of the reasons why God allows us to

940
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Speaker 8: go through things so that we can be conveniently distracted

941
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 8: from ourselves and start to see I need him listen.

942
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Speaker 8: There are certain things that a song will never do.

943
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 8: You need the presence of God in your life. You

944
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 8: need to stop relying and depending on your natural skill.

945
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 8: Even in that, there's so much more to who God's

946
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 8: created you to be, and so you really need to

947
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 8: have God really show you all of that and.

948
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Speaker 9: Unpack all that for you.

949
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: But I still love the fact that all of us

950
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Speaker 1: that do sing and minister, along with so many other

951
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: things that we I've seen, like worship leaders just leave that,

952
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Speaker 1: you know, leave it behind you. That will always be

953
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Speaker 1: a party I will.

954
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 9: You have to.

955
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 8: I have to imagine, even though David's predominant assignments changed,

956
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 8: he never forgot how to play before the Lord. And

957
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 8: if you if you ever need to know how to worship,

958
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 8: you need to know how to worship Him in the leadership,

959
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 8: and you should learn it first because you're gonna need

960
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 8: to use it a long time. And so I think

961
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 8: that's the foundation of everything. And every season is intimacy

962
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 8: with God.

963
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 4: How do you know when your season is changing?

964
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 9: Love that question.

965
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 8: There are several ways you understand your season is changing it.

966
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 8: Here's one of the things I found when your season

967
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 8: has changed. One thing that may happen is something that

968
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 8: once came easy to you becomes very difficult for you.

969
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 8: It's the profit when the when the brook drives up,

970
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 8: there's no provision to continue.

971
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Speaker 9: When God closes a door.

972
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 8: Even if you don't know where to go next, you

973
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 8: know it's almost time to leave here.

974
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: Or you don't have peace, yes, oh no, yes, you

975
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: lose your peace.

976
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 19: Another thing is God's grace seems to be removed from

977
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 19: that situation.

978
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean you just it becomes very difficult to

979
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 9: be there.

980
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 8: And so one of the things I say when you

981
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 8: there are a number of ways to see God's hand

982
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 8: moving you in purpose. One of the ways you can

983
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 8: see purpose is provision. When God's providing along a certain direction,

984
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 8: you can follow the water, follow where God's providing life,

985
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 8: and you'll find yourself right where you're supposed to be.

986
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 8: And when God starts to dry up resources, that's one

987
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 8: of the ways you know, well, this is not this

988
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 8: is not where God.

989
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 9: Wants me to be.

990
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: How do you navigate?

991
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 5: Like like you said, when something becomes difficult, yes, or

992
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 5: the brook drives up, how do you How does a

993
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 5: person navigate to know what direction?

994
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 8: I say this so often I love this that God

995
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 8: can speak better than we can listen. And you may

996
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 8: be like, how do you hear God? Like, listen, when

997
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 8: the brook drives up up, you're going to You're gonna

998
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 8: get stilled before the Lord and you have to hear

999
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 8: his voice. And this those moments where God speaks very clearly.

1000
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 8: There were moments in my life where God spoke that

1001
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Speaker 8: I wasn't prepared.

1002
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 9: For the conversation, but he knew I needed to hear him.

1003
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Speaker 8: And God will speak through so many different things, so

1004
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Speaker 8: he is faithful to lead his the Bible, Jesus says

1005
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 8: that my my sheep know my voice.

1006
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's true, and and doors begin to open for you.

1007
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: And I want to show this video in just a moment.

1008
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: We kind of set it up where there you are

1009
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: in Sri Lanka. Here you are in foreign countries and

1010
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: you're you're doing things in your ministry that you probably

1011
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: never realized or thought you'd be there.

1012
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it was a There was this point

1013
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 8: in which God showed me that your creative ability talking

1014
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Speaker 8: to me, Michael, your creative ability is something I want

1015
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 8: to use globally. And I'm like, how how I just

1016
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 8: wanted to be invited to sing in Chicago, like invite me,

1017
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 8: and the Lord's like, no, I'm really sending you to

1018
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 8: the nations.

1019
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 9: And the Lord gave me a heart.

1020
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Speaker 8: And it all started in Sri Lanka and I fell

1021
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 8: in love with the people there and we started building

1022
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Speaker 8: wells and started this nonprofit, Overflow.

1023
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 9: Culture Global, And from that point.

1024
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Speaker 8: Till now, God's shown us how we can music, mentorship,

1025
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Speaker 8: and missions, how they all work together to accomplish God's and.

1026
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: Your music would give you a platform to open some

1027
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: of these doors.

1028
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Speaker 7: Open.

1029
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 9: It opens doors, And I need to understand why did

1030
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 9: I need to be in that door. It wasn't a

1031
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 9: scene and be seen.

1032
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 8: It was to reveal God's glory and then allow God

1033
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 8: to use me to help mentor people and also to

1034
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 8: provide a miracle for people who would never see it

1035
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Speaker 8: if I didn't say yes to God through water wells.

1036
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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, you and Michael had the honor of

1037
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: using what God has invested in him to reach into

1038
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: each others in one of the unique ways. Of course

1039
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: he's talking about that right now. It's true his nonprofit

1040
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: Overflow Culture Global and equipping communities in Sri Lanka with

1041
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: access to water through Wales is so what he did.

1042
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Speaker 6: Take a look, and our.

1043
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 12: Nation has been being in a thirty year old war,

1044
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 12: civil war, and it only ended in two thousand and nine.

1045
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: The wells have been built.

1046
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 18: In the places where war has stricken them and hopelessness

1047
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 18: have stricken them, and houses were rampered and things were

1048
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 18: chaos for them. So what the well does for them

1049
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 18: is if they don't have this well, they don't have

1050
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 18: drinking water.

1051
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 9: This is for the community to drink from this well.

1052
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 9: This is a great day, not.

1053
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Speaker 12: Only for just one person. It is for families. Yeah,

1054
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 12: it is for the children, it is for the young people.

1055
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 12: So you are not only bringing hope for just a

1056
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 12: family of one person. We are talking about hope for generations.

1057
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 12: They will remember this for the rest of their life.

1058
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 9: This is a dream made reality.

1059
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 8: Somebody said the other day dreams shouldn't remain dreams, but

1060
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 8: they should become a reality.

1061
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 9: And that is the heart of God.

1062
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 7: This is a dream made real.

1063
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 4: My going team, we want to say thank you so

1064
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 4: much for all that you're doing in Sri Lanka and

1065
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 4: building the wealth.

1066
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 18: And this is Pastor Hearn who's helping us oversee the project.

1067
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 9: As you see it's under construction.

1068
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 11: And this is just even though they come to drink

1069
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 11: natural water, it's like a prophific act. You are believing saying, Lord,

1070
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 11: not only natural wast water, but cause them to have

1071
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 11: a thirst to drink You're living water, so that they

1072
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 11: are souls will be blessed.

1073
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 21: Yes, Jesus, I'm gonna try, man, Just pull it, pull it,

1074
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Speaker 21: come on, Yeah, goody.

1075
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: How does it make you feel to see that and

1076
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: be a part of that? And I want to know,

1077
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: did you get to do like a little worship session

1078
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: where you could sing and worship.

1079
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 9: After doing this, we worship in the middle of the jungle.

1080
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 9: I didn't even think about the lions and the tigers, and.

1081
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 8: I was caught up in the presence of God and

1082
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 8: seeing where God had brought me from, from a father

1083
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 8: who pastored me in the inner city, all the way

1084
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 8: to Sri Lanka in the middle of the jungle, helping

1085
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 8: to save lives. I'm overwhelmed when I think about that.

1086
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you take a moment and just lead us

1087
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: send a sinner's prayer? Yes, for maybe those that are

1088
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: watching that you don't know, Jesus, and we just want

1089
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: to take a moment give you the opportunity to pray,

1090
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: because it is the most important decision that you can

1091
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: make right now, and it will propel you into your

1092
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: destiny and what God has for you. Michael will just

1093
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: repeat after you.

1094
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 9: Say, Lord, thank you, thank you for speaking to my

1095
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 9: heart through this show, speaking to my heart through this show.

1096
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 9: I hear you right now. Now I'm responding.

1097
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm responding.

1098
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 9: I believe in Jesus.

1099
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 15: I believe in Jesus.

1100
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 9: I believe that he came for me. I believe that

1101
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 9: he came from me to rescue me from sin.

1102
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 8: To rescue me from sin, and to restore me with Jesus,

1103
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 8: to restore Jesus, God, heal what's been broken, heal.

1104
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Speaker 9: I'd give my heart to you, heart to Jesus, name Jesus.

1105
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Speaker 1: Amen. It's really that simple, isn't it. I mean, people

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Speaker 1: right there, can you can just sense the presence of

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Speaker 1: God right there where you are as you listen to

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Speaker 1: Michael Singh as we were talking, you could relate to

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Speaker 1: so much of what we were talking about. And there

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Speaker 1: are some of you that you've been stuck in this

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Speaker 1: one track and God is wanting to move you over

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Speaker 1: into some other areas. So be open to what the

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Speaker 1: plan of God is for your life, because it's a

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Speaker 1: good plan and I really do believe that the best

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Speaker 1: is yet to come. Well, we're out of time, don't

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Speaker 1: you remember Your calling was never meant to be a burden.

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Speaker 1: It was always meant to bring life, hope and blessing,

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Speaker 1: regardless of past mistakes, missed opportunities. Some of you are

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Speaker 1: sitting there saying you have no idea, Joni, Well, you

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Speaker 1: know what. God loves you and he forgives you. So

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Speaker 1: I need you to brush yourself off and get up

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Speaker 1: and do what God's called you to do. And you

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Speaker 1: can trust God to help you steward the purpose that

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Speaker 1: He's placed within you. Some of you are not walking

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Speaker 1: in it, and God wants to use you in this

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Speaker 1: time in this season, Michael could have just stayed in

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Speaker 1: the singing slot and never reached out to do what

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Speaker 1: he's doing now around the world. So be open to

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Speaker 1: what God has for you. Like Dorothy talked about surrender everything.

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Speaker 1: And if you're watching today and you said that prayer salvation,

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Speaker 1: I'd love for you to call that number on the screen,

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Speaker 1: and I would love to send you the Gospel of

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Speaker 1: John for free. It's our gift to you just to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: it's a great way to start in the Word of God,

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Speaker 1: in the Book of John, also the book Now What,

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Speaker 1: and just kind of guide you as to what you

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Speaker 1: need to do now. And for those of you that

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Speaker 1: need for anything, I want you to call if you

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Speaker 1: need healing in your body, if you're lonely, if you're depressed,

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Speaker 1: call that number. We have annointed prayer partners to pray

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Speaker 1: for you. I do want to thank my dear friend

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Speaker 1: Michael Bethany for joining us today. Be sure to pick

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Speaker 1: up a copy of his book Life in the Wild.

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Speaker 1: For more information, you can visit him online at Michaelbethany

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Speaker 1: dot com and as always, make sure to follow us

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Speaker 1: on all social media. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for

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Speaker 1: full episodes and exclusive content, and let us know how

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Speaker 1: table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from

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Speaker 1: all of you. You can also listen to you the

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Speaker 1: Jony table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for watching. I

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Speaker 1: want you to remember remember that first song. If you

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Speaker 1: tape the program, go rewind back and watch walk with you.

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Speaker 1: If not, you can download it on iTunes and it

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Speaker 1: would be such a blessing to you. Thanks again, Michael,

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Speaker 1: love you very much. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 9: Bye bye for today.