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Speaker 2: here at the volume. Happy Saturday, everybody up. All of
Speaker 2: you guys are having a great weekend. Got a jam
Speaker 2: pack show for you guys tonight. We're hitting Wolves Warriors
Speaker 2: off the top, kind of a typical type of what
Speaker 2: you would expect from the best defense in the league
Speaker 2: since the end of January versus Minnesota. In a game
Speaker 2: like this, Minnesota has struggled against Golden State's defense. Kur
Speaker 2: leans into Jonathan kaminga Jimmy Butler. We finally get the
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler hyper aggressive offensive game and we get a
Speaker 2: hyper competitive, very entertaining basketball game until late in the
Speaker 2: second half. Over the last quarter and a half, Anthony
Speaker 2: Edwards and Julius Randall completely find a groove and build
Speaker 2: some margin. The Warriors offense cools off late and the
Speaker 2: Timberwolves take a two to one lead in that series.
Speaker 2: Breaking down that game from the perspective both teams. After that,
Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics looked like the Boston Celtics for the
Speaker 2: first time in their series against the Knicks. I want
Speaker 2: to go into some of the specific dynamics at play,
Speaker 2: and I want to talk about what the rest of
Speaker 2: this series is going to look like, because the Celtics
Speaker 2: have to win four out of five games in order
Speaker 2: to come back and win this series. And I want
Speaker 2: to talk about the idea of how every basketball game
Speaker 2: kind of takes on a different feel and how in
Speaker 2: each specific type of basketball game it calls for different
Speaker 2: types of approaches from both teams. And so we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about what Boston needs to do in order
Speaker 2: to get the additional three wins they need in the series.
Speaker 2: And then the Knicks as well, we're going to dig
Speaker 2: into some of the issues they were having with their
Speaker 2: pick and roll coverage versus their switching and containing in
Speaker 2: one on one situation. So lots of interesting stuff to
Speaker 2: get into in both of these games. At the tail
Speaker 2: end of the show, we'll take about ten to fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes of questions from the chat, and then when we
Speaker 2: are done here tonight, we're gonna head over to playback
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Speaker 2: we can get to them at the tail end of
Speaker 2: the show. So this game pretty quickly took on a
Speaker 2: simple dynamic. You have two elite defenses, right and especially
Speaker 2: with the Golden State. Playing at home, you're going to
Speaker 2: get an exceptionally good effort and in a desperation type
Speaker 2: of situation too. Right, we've talked before after the Steph
Speaker 2: curR hamstring injury, the Warriors basically have to get one
Speaker 2: of these two games at home, because if they do,
Speaker 2: that puts a game six guaranteed on the calendar. In
Speaker 2: a game six is still more than a full week
Speaker 2: from now, that is on May eighteenth, and so there's
Speaker 2: a real opportunity there for Steph to potentially get back
Speaker 2: and have a chance to play at the tail end
Speaker 2: of this series. Now, as we know that's a tricky
Speaker 2: hamstring injury, it might not even matter, but for any
Speaker 2: hope that the Warriors have to advance in this postseason run,
Speaker 2: it was going to depend on them getting one of
Speaker 2: these two games at home. So you're expecting a certain
Speaker 2: type of super intense effort, and so it pretty much
Speaker 2: settled down into a shot creation contest between Julius Randall
Speaker 2: and Anthony Edwards and the new iteration of the Warriors
Speaker 2: without Steph. We talked last night about how Steve Kerr
Speaker 2: got into the idea of how you have to basically
Speaker 2: play a completely different brand of basketball in order to
Speaker 2: make the situation work when you lose your star. One
Speaker 2: of the things that's interesting about the Warriors roster construction
Speaker 2: is it's built on a lot of defensive minded athletes
Speaker 2: that are good read and react, players that operate well
Speaker 2: in the inverted spacing that Steph provides. Meaning as Steph
Speaker 2: is coming off of action and he's bringing multiple players out,
Speaker 2: often bringing a big man out and a ball screen coverage,
Speaker 2: there are these four on threes or three on two's
Speaker 2: quick advantage situations that break down on the back line,
Speaker 2: and on the back line it becomes very much a
Speaker 2: make decisions athletes. You know, it's a very different game
Speaker 2: than spacing the floor for a rim pressuring forward, right
Speaker 2: Like if you're playing with Luca or Jannis sir Lebron,
Speaker 2: it's like you need shooting. But the Warriors, they emphasized
Speaker 2: more versatile athletes that can work with the advantages that
Speaker 2: Steph creates on the perimeter to have success on the interior.
Speaker 2: And so Steve Kerr essentially had to rebuild a basketball
Speaker 2: team on the fly, and so he used Game two
Speaker 2: as a launching ground. And what did we get. We
Speaker 2: got a high dose of Jonathan Kaminga. We talked after
Speaker 2: Game two about how Jimmy Butler would likely be much
Speaker 2: more aggressive at home. We got a much more aggressive
Speaker 2: version of Jimmy Butler tonight. He went for twenty six
Speaker 2: shot attempts in this game. And then the same steady
Speaker 2: died of Buddy Healed running off of screening action. So
Speaker 2: essentially it turned into this new dynamic of the Warriors
Speaker 2: versus the same old Minnesota Timberwolves with Anthony Edwards and
Speaker 2: Julius Random And for the first two and a half quarters,
Speaker 2: the Warriors were really controlling things and was in a
Speaker 2: pretty big funk. Golden State's defense, as I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 2: in their last thirty four games this season ample size
Speaker 2: of almost a half of the season, they're the number
Speaker 2: one defensive rating in basketball. They are I was thinking
Speaker 2: about this earlier. I think this is the best defense
Speaker 2: that Ant has played in his time in the NBA.
Speaker 2: They are not as good at the rim in terms
Speaker 2: of rim protection as Dallas was, but I think they're
Speaker 2: much faster on the perimeter, much smarter, more well coached.
Speaker 2: I think they're just a more dynamic defense overall. And
Speaker 2: it's not exactly a slump in Draymond Green that you
Speaker 2: have at the basket, or a slouch or whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call it. Draymond's, you know, one of the
Speaker 2: better rim protecting smaller bigs that we have in the league,
Speaker 2: right And one of the things that Warriors have done
Speaker 2: with Ant that's caused some problems for him is ball pressure.
Speaker 2: They're picking him up and making him uncomfortable in his
Speaker 2: like kind of dance with the basketball situations, and it's
Speaker 2: forcing him to drive earlier in the schedule than he
Speaker 2: wants to. And then in those situations, they keep throwing
Speaker 2: bodies at him. He's over penetrating and trying to find
Speaker 2: kickout opportunities while he's kind of indecisive in the lane.
Speaker 2: He's slaloming through two or three guys at the basket,
Speaker 2: trying to find a finishing angle to finish, and he's
Speaker 2: smoking layups. He just was struggling for really the first
Speaker 2: two and a half games of this series, but into
Speaker 2: the second quarter tonight, and Julius Randall was struggling a
Speaker 2: little bit too.
Speaker 3: Tonight.
Speaker 2: I was confused a little bit with his strategy because
Speaker 2: he kept just trying to attack Draymond Green one on
Speaker 2: one and like, I get it if it's late in
Speaker 2: the shot clock, and like the you got toss a
Speaker 2: grenade with five seconds left and you have to create something.
Speaker 2: But with the way that you should look to approach
Speaker 2: on offense for the first fifteen seconds of the shot clock,
Speaker 2: you need to be hunting easier opportunities, a better matchup,
Speaker 2: an advantage. You can create an action, some sort of
Speaker 2: easier opportunity before you rely on isoting their best defender.
Speaker 2: Like you, if you repeatedly attack their best defender, you're
Speaker 2: just making life harder on you than it needs to be.
Speaker 2: And so Julius was struggling a little bit, and then
Speaker 2: with the Warriors, they were getting great production. Jimmy was
Speaker 2: fantastic tonight scoring the basketball. We got that aggression from him.
Speaker 2: Jonathan Comigio goes for thirty points. The Warriors actually won
Speaker 2: his minutes tonight. Buddy healed early in the second half,
Speaker 2: gets going, starts hitting some threes, and so the Warriors
Speaker 2: built a little bit of margin. I think they ended
Speaker 2: up going up by as much as seven. I'll pull
Speaker 2: up the largest lead, but I think they want Yeah,
Speaker 2: the largest lead was seven for the Warriors in that
Speaker 2: early third quarter.
Speaker 3: Stretch.
Speaker 2: Right around that time, a couple things started to go
Speaker 2: Minnesota's way. Ant got a couple decent catch and shoot
Speaker 2: looks in off ball situations. We talked a little bit
Speaker 2: about this in the Lakers series, the idea of Ant
Speaker 2: being really good attacking closeouts off of Julius Randall post ups,
Speaker 2: Ant got a little bit more rhythm with his jump shot.
Speaker 2: Julius Randall started to have a little bit of success
Speaker 2: against Raymond in large parks. Draymond got into some foul
Speaker 2: trouble and then Draymond had to be a little bit
Speaker 2: more conservative with his approach.
Speaker 3: So he's like more gambling on.
Speaker 2: Julius further out from the basket, trying to like disrupt
Speaker 2: him before he even got into his attack, because he
Speaker 2: knows once he gets into his attack, there's not much
Speaker 2: contact that he can get away with there. And so
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, these cracks started to open up
Speaker 2: and starts hitting even some tough pull up threes. I
Speaker 2: was talking with Jackson before the show, like, you know Jackson,
Speaker 2: obviously Jackson's a Celtics fan, but he also roots for
Speaker 2: the Warriors, and he was like we were talking to
Speaker 2: just about what it was like for me as a
Speaker 2: Lakers fan watching Aunt repeatedly in these early fourth quarter stretches,
Speaker 2: just hit these crazy difficult pull up threes, and it's
Speaker 2: like you're in a groove, you're playing hard, your defense
Speaker 2: is locked in, and it just doesn't matter because when
Speaker 2: Ant goes into that step back move, there's really nothing
Speaker 2: you can do but just hope he misses. And it's
Speaker 2: just such a remarkable piece of athleticism to be able
Speaker 2: to separate from a defender, a great defender late in
Speaker 2: the clock, and then set your base and elevate up
Speaker 2: over the top of a great contest, sometimes a double team,
Speaker 2: and rise up and knock down a shot like that,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden it just was cooking and
Speaker 2: gets a huge driving dunk on Kevon Looney, another amazing
Speaker 2: dunk to add to Anthony edwards highlight reel of playoff
Speaker 2: dunks in his career. Started in general to find some
Speaker 2: more seams right at the front of the rim where
Speaker 2: he was getting cleaner finishing angles, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: what looked like a puzzle that Ant was struggling to
Speaker 2: solve the finishes with thirty six points in this game,
Speaker 2: and that was kind of my takeaway when we were
Speaker 2: in that mid second quarter, mid third quarter stretch, I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is the best defense that Aunt has ever played
Speaker 2: in his career. They're kind of kicking his butt a
Speaker 2: little bit. We talked about this after Game one. Let's
Speaker 2: see if it can figure it out, like is this
Speaker 2: going to be like the Dallas series where it didn't
Speaker 2: really seem like he ever made any headway, or is
Speaker 2: he going to make some headway? And like, here's the thing,
Speaker 2: there's no doubt that not having Steph Curry out there
Speaker 2: changes the dynamic of the game. And I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to sit there and pretend like this is the most
Speaker 2: challenging win of Anthony Edwards's career.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 2: But this is a very good defense. And he did
Speaker 2: start to find some ways that he could get going
Speaker 2: off ball and catch and shoot situations, driving closeouts, got
Speaker 2: a little bit more comfortable and in a rhythm as
Speaker 2: a pull up shooter and starting to find those driving
Speaker 2: angles closer to the basket. I think there's even more
Speaker 2: room for improvement with him. He gets a little bit
Speaker 2: rushed going downhill to where there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: change of pace. We talked about this on playback a
Speaker 2: couple nights ago, But Anthony Edwards is taking about half
Speaker 2: as many mid range jump shots as he did in
Speaker 2: last year's postseason run. He just was a little bit
Speaker 2: more willing to work in the middle of the floor
Speaker 2: at that point, and I think there's a little there's
Speaker 2: still a growth that can that grant and can benefit
Speaker 2: from in the form of just being more comfortable operating
Speaker 2: at a slower pace or with change of pace in
Speaker 2: the middle of the floor and making better use of
Speaker 2: that mid range jump shot. I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of opportunity for him to improve. But the indomitable scoring
Speaker 2: talent was on display in that second half. It didn't
Speaker 2: matter that he's a little one dimensional at this point
Speaker 2: in time, or that he still isn't reading the floor
Speaker 2: as great as he could potentially thirty six points against
Speaker 2: the best defense in the NBA. In my opinion and
Speaker 2: Julius Randall, he's been sneaky, fantastic stick this entire postseason run.
Speaker 2: I didn't like his game one of this series, but
Speaker 2: for the most part in the Lakers series, in the
Speaker 2: most part in this series, he's consistently been very comfortable
Speaker 2: operating out of the mid post and out of the
Speaker 2: low post. He's been playmaking at an extremely high level.
Speaker 2: Goes for a triple double tonight twenty four, ten and twelve.
Speaker 2: His passing out of the mid to high post has
Speaker 2: been a consistent, kind of like underrated part of his game.
Speaker 2: He's actually one of the better, like kind of entry
Speaker 2: points for Minnesota to use, just because at this point
Speaker 2: he's more willing to hunt those advantages than ant Is.
Speaker 2: And again ant will figure that stuff out in time.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the game, you know, it
Speaker 2: was funny because Jackson and I were talking, like the
Speaker 2: Warriors did everything tonight that they could have done. You
Speaker 2: get two thirty point performances out of at Like if
Speaker 2: you if you would have told me before this game
Speaker 2: that you're gonna get thirty three out of Jimmy and
Speaker 2: thirty out of Jonathan Kaminga, you're thinking a Warriors win, right,
Speaker 2: But it just was that much better for Manton Julius.
Speaker 2: They were able to get the job done second half.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, Like, I think the Warriors have
Speaker 2: exposed some obvious flaws in this Minnesota attack on both
Speaker 2: ends of the floor in terms of their attentiveness to ball,
Speaker 2: in player movement, in terms of their vulnerability to the
Speaker 2: offensive glass when they're in rotation, in terms of just
Speaker 2: their ability to handle ball pressure and physicality in a
Speaker 2: better defensive construct than what they've attacked in some of
Speaker 2: these playoff series. But you just need to get through
Speaker 2: this series and then maybe, if you're lucky, Denver beats
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City and that's a team that you've had their
Speaker 2: number for the last two years now. So like the
Speaker 2: finals are there there, there there's a pathway there for
Speaker 2: Minnesota to get through this and to get all the
Speaker 2: way to the finals. And I think they match up
Speaker 2: pretty well with the teams coming out of the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was actually thinking about this the
Speaker 2: other day. I think you could talk me into all
Speaker 2: eight teams in this postseason run being a legitimate championship contender.
Speaker 3: Indiana.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously, at a rough game three, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be the least bit surprised if they beat Cleveland, beat
Speaker 2: whoever came out of the Nix Celtics series, and then
Speaker 2: beat whoever came out of the West. That's certainly a possibility.
Speaker 2: I could see Denver winning the West. I could see Okay,
Speaker 2: see still coming back and win the series. I could
Speaker 2: see Boston repeating. I could see Cleveland getting, you know,
Speaker 2: just wiping the floor with Indiana for the next three
Speaker 2: games and then running into a Celtics team that's stilling
Speaker 2: a little bit of a funk and getting it done. Like,
Speaker 2: it feels wide open at this point, and there is
Speaker 2: a legitimate pathway for Minnesota to work through.
Speaker 3: Here. You get a really.
Speaker 2: Good opportunity to finish this series off against a Warriors
Speaker 2: team that's missing their best player. You have a potentially
Speaker 2: great matchup waiting for you with the team leading to
Speaker 2: one in the next round, and Denver a team that
Speaker 2: you've had their number consistently. And then I can't think
Speaker 2: of a type of team that I'd like to see
Speaker 2: more against a Boston I think, you know, I think
Speaker 2: after today we could all agree that Boston is still
Speaker 2: probably the favorite to win the East and Minnesota would
Speaker 2: just be such a fun matchup in that series with
Speaker 2: their ability to switch and contain. Basically, Minnesota is a
Speaker 2: much much better version of Orlando, and we saw what
Speaker 2: Orlando was able to do at times against the Celtics.
Speaker 2: So super super interesting series on the Warriors front. A
Speaker 2: couple of specific things. You This was the game that
Speaker 2: I had kind of marked as the best chance they
Speaker 2: had to steal one, but it was very unlikely you
Speaker 2: were going to get both. You really just need to
Speaker 2: get one. So it's just all eyes turned to Monday
Speaker 2: night now and you got to figure out a way
Speaker 2: to get that particular game. And again, as you've proven
Speaker 2: you can make this offense uncomfortable, you can slow them down. Minnesota,
Speaker 2: to their credit, kind of got going in that second half.
Speaker 2: They had sixty two points. That goes to show you
Speaker 2: how important it is for your best player to produce
Speaker 2: when you get into these settings. But this is going
Speaker 2: to be fun series, and it's going to come down
Speaker 2: to Game four. Whoever wins Game four is going to
Speaker 2: be in a really good position moving forward. If the
Speaker 2: Warriors win, then they got Steph coming back and a
Speaker 2: good chance to win the series. And if Minnesota wins,
Speaker 2: are going home three to one and probably closing this
Speaker 2: thing out in five. All right, let's move on to
Speaker 2: Celtics Knicks. Over the course of the last two games,
Speaker 2: we've been talking a lot about the concept of offensive
Speaker 2: versatility and essentially what that means is like, you know,
Speaker 2: we were talking about this with the Thunder Denver series
Speaker 2: last night, right, Like the uh for Denver, they just
Speaker 2: have so many different ways that they can attack, Like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a series where we're just spamming Yokic post ups. No,
Speaker 2: this is going to be a series where we're running
Speaker 2: a ton of Jokic Murray two man game right in
Speaker 2: the middle of the floor. Oh, we got this matchup.
Speaker 2: Aaron Gordon is a legitimate post matchup hunter, Like we
Speaker 2: can go to him. There there's like a five out
Speaker 2: flow with ball and player movement, with Yokic kind of
Speaker 2: flowing side to side and everyone involved in sweeping side
Speaker 2: to side action that they could go to. They have
Speaker 2: a devastating transition attack. They have just such a versatile
Speaker 2: offense that they can like identify the situation and be like,
Speaker 2: this is the way we're gonna go kind of like
Speaker 2: for instance, late in game one, Denver spams post ups
Speaker 2: for Yokics right in the middle of the floor because
Speaker 2: Yokic is having the greatest game of his life. Game three,
Speaker 2: Yokic just having probably the worst game I've seen him play,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you know, Yokic is still
Speaker 2: involved late and he still is looking to score, but
Speaker 2: it's a lot more diverted to Jamal Murray and letting
Speaker 2: him be aggressive in those situations. Trusting Aaron Gordon to
Speaker 2: take a big three in the left corner when he
Speaker 2: gets left open in the transition sequence. There's just they
Speaker 2: have the ability to adapt to the surrounding circumstances. The
Speaker 2: reason why that matters is every basketball game is different.
Speaker 2: Your stars are in different rhythm from game to game.
Speaker 2: Like we talked Jamal Murray great rhythm Game three, jokicnot
Speaker 2: Jokics great rhythm. In game one, Murray not right. You
Speaker 2: go into tonight's game with the Celtics, it's like Game one.
Speaker 2: In game two, Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown consistently kind
Speaker 2: of like in a funk out of rhythm. Tonight Tatum
Speaker 2: and Brown in great rhythm. Fundamentally different basketball game, different
Speaker 2: role players. Oh, Like tonight, this guy's really engaged, locked in,
Speaker 2: he's doing his job, he's not making mistakes, he's hitting shots. Well,
Speaker 2: this next game he's just a little bit more off
Speaker 2: in those areas. That's why their role players. Role players
Speaker 2: are inherently inconsistent. If they were amazing at knocking down,
Speaker 2: catching ju threes, an amazing at offending every single night.
Speaker 2: They'd be a thirty million dollar player on the wing.
Speaker 2: That's what that type of position, a bona fide great
Speaker 2: two way, three and D wing, is a thirty million
Speaker 2: dollar player in today's league. And so the point is
Speaker 2: is there is a lot of inherent inconsistency in the
Speaker 2: way basketball games go. So, for instance, the Celtics have
Speaker 2: like a core basketball philosophy, their willingness to create advantages
Speaker 2: hunting mismatches and to drive and kick for quality catch
Speaker 2: and shoot threes. That's like their foundational approach on the
Speaker 2: offensive end of the four. Game one, they just played
Speaker 2: the dumbest half of basketball I've ever seen. There's not
Speaker 2: a whole lot to get into other than they just
Speaker 2: played really dumb basketball in the second half. Game two
Speaker 2: was very different. Their core philosophy failed them. They played
Speaker 2: Celtics basketball just fine in the second half and missed shots. Now,
Speaker 2: they didn't have another method that they could. We'll talk
Speaker 2: more about that concept in a little bit, but the
Speaker 2: point is is that their core offensive philosophy failed. Tonight
Speaker 2: was a classic example of the Celtics core formula working
Speaker 2: and working extremely well. We've all seen the Celtics win
Speaker 2: exactly that type of game one hundred times over the
Speaker 2: last couple of years. They came right out and hit
Speaker 2: six of their first seven threes, and they were the
Speaker 2: same types of shots they were missing in the first
Speaker 2: two games. Tatum hits a pull up three and against
Speaker 2: drop coverage. Jalen Brown same Shoty bricks at the tail
Speaker 2: end of Game two that dropped coverage three right at
Speaker 2: the top of the key, hits it to start this game.
Speaker 2: Derek White hits like a contested step back three in
Speaker 2: a late clock situation. Kat sinks in a little too
Speaker 2: far off Al Horford swing pass. There's a contest, but
Speaker 2: Horford knocks down that mildly contested three that he was
Speaker 2: missing in the first two games of the series. You
Speaker 2: could feel the confidence dynamic completely swing after that happened.
Speaker 2: Boston only had one thirty point quarter in the entire
Speaker 2: series before today. Then they had two back to back
Speaker 2: thirty five point quarters. To start today's game, Peyton Pritchard
Speaker 2: exploded for twenty three points. The Celtics offense hummed at
Speaker 2: the level we knew they were capable of humming at
Speaker 2: because we've seen it one hundred times. They got that
Speaker 2: engine going. New York just folded from there. And by
Speaker 2: the way, Boston's defense was incredible. We're about to talk
Speaker 2: about that in a minute. But New York also just
Speaker 2: kind of lost their confidence and played some really poor
Speaker 2: offensive basketball. Brunton all the way down. Kat was the
Speaker 2: guy hitting a couple shots early in the game, but
Speaker 2: he was the primary defense of culprit. No one was
Speaker 2: really playing well. Mkhale and o g were both at rhythm.
Speaker 2: Josh Hart's first couple catch and shoot threes were like
Speaker 2: very clearly, very short, right out of his hand, Like
Speaker 2: you could just tell. Everybody was like shook by the
Speaker 2: way that Boston was playing, and they were just never
Speaker 2: able to recover. Now, again, there will be different types
Speaker 2: of games in this series. Let's shelf that con set
Speaker 2: for just a second. I want to just shout out
Speaker 2: Boston's defense. I thought down the line, everyone was great,
Speaker 2: Tatum and Brown switching in and out of action with
Speaker 2: pressure and physicality efforts at the rim from Derek White.
Speaker 2: Drew Holliday did another great job on Jalen Brunson tonight.
Speaker 2: But I want to specifically highlight the Biggs because I
Speaker 2: thought Horford, Porzingis, and Cornett were all amazing in this game.
Speaker 2: Cornett continues to impress he's become like a legitimate playoff
Speaker 2: rotation piece for this team, especially in the universe forar
Speaker 2: Houser is injured. But like, all three of the bigs
Speaker 2: just kicked New York's butt on both ends as athletes.
Speaker 2: They combined for six blocks with their efforts around the rim.
Speaker 2: Horford and Cornett had five offensive rebounds. Those dudes were
Speaker 2: throwing people around like rag dolls to try to find
Speaker 2: offensive rebounding opportunities. I just thought all three of those
Speaker 2: guys played with more force than the New York front
Speaker 2: court and really controlled this game. I mean, like this
Speaker 2: was the first game of the series where the Mitchell
Speaker 2: Robinson minutes did not New York's way. They just got
Speaker 2: physically dominated while also throwing a great offensive punch, and
Speaker 2: the result is thirty point lead, completely insurmountable. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a couple of third quarter pushes from the Knicks, but
Speaker 2: when you're pushing down from thirty one, it's different than
Speaker 2: when you're pushing down from twenty. The eight to zero
Speaker 2: run doesn't cut the lead to twelve and let light
Speaker 2: the crowd on fire.
Speaker 3: The eight to zero run.
Speaker 2: Cuts the lead to twenty three, and it's a bigger
Speaker 2: lead than it was even in those peak moments in
Speaker 2: Game one in Game two. Now, looking forward in this series,
Speaker 2: a couple of things for the Knicks. I still think
Speaker 2: they're conceding too many openings. What I mean by that
Speaker 2: is like in their natural ball screen coverages when they're
Speaker 2: hedging and recovering with Brunson, but mainly the drop with Kat,
Speaker 2: they're getting fried in those situations. They were giving up
Speaker 2: quality looks in those situations in the first two games,
Speaker 2: they just weren't going in. They have consistently been better
Speaker 2: in this series when they've just switched and contain the ball.
Speaker 2: Simple stat to demonstrate this tonight, the Celtics shredded the
Speaker 2: Nickson pick and roll. They got an offensive rating over
Speaker 2: one twenty, including passes on ball screens where they were
Speaker 2: using some sort of traditional ball screen coverage post ups
Speaker 2: and ISOs. Boston ran twenty seven post ups and ISOs
Speaker 2: in this game and got just sixteen points out of them.
Speaker 2: It's very clear in the numbers that when they switch
Speaker 2: and contain like there was a like there are examples
Speaker 2: where you know, Tatum's got cat on the wing, and
Speaker 2: they just kind of gap off of him pretty well,
Speaker 2: and he's kind of sitting up there stunting, and they
Speaker 2: just throw a swing pass and get out of it.
Speaker 2: Like they're not doing a good job hunting these things
Speaker 2: one on one. They're just taking advantage of the natural openings, like, Oh,
Speaker 2: you're going to concede a pick and pop three to Horford.
Speaker 3: That's going in.
Speaker 2: Oh you're gonna sit back the cat like in a
Speaker 2: deep drop coverage against Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. Like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they've been missing their pull up threes in this series,
Speaker 2: but they're sht capable of making them, and so I
Speaker 2: still think their pathway moving forward is switch contain, bait
Speaker 2: them into those poor isolation decisions. And then for the Celtics,
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, there will be very different types of
Speaker 2: games in this series, just purely jump shooting. Result Boston
Speaker 2: got one point two eight points per jump shot tonight,
Speaker 2: the Knicks got zero point eighty five. Another simple way
Speaker 2: to explain that is over the course of one hundred
Speaker 2: jump shots, the Celtics produced at a rate of forty
Speaker 2: three points more per one hundred jump shots than the Knicks.
Speaker 2: They out shot the shit out of them tonight. Okay,
Speaker 2: that will probably happen again in this series. Like I
Speaker 2: think we all could probably agree, this series is going
Speaker 2: at least six and there's gonna be another game in
Speaker 2: this series where Boston just does what they did tonight
Speaker 2: and you basically just shake their hand and say congrats
Speaker 2: on the win. But there will be different types of games.
Speaker 2: There will be a game, for instance, where the Knicks
Speaker 2: just shoot better, and if they do, it's a closer game,
Speaker 2: and if they do, there's more pressure on some of
Speaker 2: these tougher shots that's Boston's taking. And it's very possible
Speaker 2: that they find themselves in a situation where they go
Speaker 2: cold and the Knicks get a bunch of momentum in
Speaker 2: it's early fourth quarter, and all of a sudden, that
Speaker 2: thirteen point third quarter lead for Boston is down to five.
Speaker 2: The crowd is raucous. There's a timeout called Boston goes
Speaker 2: in their next couple of possessions, misses a couple of threes,
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 3: Like, what do you do now?
Speaker 2: Because if you allow that situation to play out and
Speaker 2: you stay cold like you did in the first two games,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what kind of large volume production you're
Speaker 2: getting from your three point shot, if you can't score
Speaker 2: on those key possessions late while Jalen Brunson has been
Speaker 2: the best closer in the league this season, and he's
Speaker 2: killing you on the other end of the four and
Speaker 2: so that's where I want to see what Boston does.
Speaker 2: There will be there if Boston's gonna win the series,
Speaker 2: they got to win four out of five games. I
Speaker 2: find it highly unlikely that they just shoot the piss
Speaker 2: out of the basketball for straight times and win the series.
Speaker 2: Maybe they do, but I think if Boston's gonna win
Speaker 2: this series, they're gonna have to win another one of
Speaker 2: those ugly rock fights. And I'll just be really curious
Speaker 2: to see what Boston's attack looks like when they end
Speaker 2: up in that situation. All right, Jackson, Let's do a
Speaker 2: solid ten minutes of questions here.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 4: First question, Well, all of our questions are basically about
Speaker 4: the Warriors Wolves. First question, POD's was awful tonight, shot
Speaker 4: one of ten and only had two assists. Should the
Speaker 4: Warriors shorten his minutes?
Speaker 2: So I this is complicated because I saw a lot
Speaker 2: of people saying stuff about how about how Pozemski was
Speaker 2: playing throughout the game, and I think it's more nuanced
Speaker 2: than I'm seeing on Twitter, Like I'm seeing people that
Speaker 2: are just saying he sucks, and then.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing, you know, I'm seeing.
Speaker 2: Tim Legler talk about how he's being, you know, amazing
Speaker 2: in all these other ways, and I'm seeing Pojemski being
Speaker 2: really effective in every single way except for offense, and
Speaker 2: on that offensive end of the floor, I still think
Speaker 2: there's some poor shot selection going on. Like, on the
Speaker 2: one hand, you have to empower him a little bit
Speaker 2: to where because without Steph you need offensive production. There's
Speaker 2: got to be a certain amount of leash that he has.
Speaker 2: But there were like three or four shots he took
Speaker 2: tonight where I was like, that's not the one you
Speaker 2: need to pay like, And so you need to acknowledge
Speaker 2: that he's defending like crazy, and he's rebounding extremely well,
Speaker 2: and he's making good connective passing leads. But I would
Speaker 2: love to see him trim like two or three of
Speaker 2: those bad shots out. Another way to another way to
Speaker 2: look at it, guys, is like this game was winnable
Speaker 2: three or four possessions go a different way. You win
Speaker 2: if instead of a seven point lead, you get it
Speaker 2: up to thirteen, you probably win. And so I just
Speaker 2: think that there's a there's still a little bit of
Speaker 2: refinement Jackson, And you mentioned to me before we went live,
Speaker 2: like the just a couple of mistakes Kaminga made late,
Speaker 2: like just hesitating on that last little catch in the
Speaker 2: middle of the lane that allowed him to get stripped
Speaker 2: before he went up, Just like little tiny things that
Speaker 2: could make a big difference over the course of the series.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 4: It's easy to nitpick pause, but to your point, when
Speaker 4: Steph is out, you kind of got to just say
Speaker 4: play free to everybody, right, you can't be like, you
Speaker 4: can't be encouraging people to pass up open shots. Really
Speaker 4: you're you're struggling to create offense, and it doesn't mean to
Speaker 4: take bad shots, but you can't be trying to limit
Speaker 4: your players, especially ones like Pods who are usually operating
Speaker 4: off someone off in a sort of secondary sort of situation.
Speaker 4: There were a couple very very open threes that he
Speaker 4: missed that would have been big run extenders for the Warriors,
Speaker 4: And I can definitely understand getting upset that feeling like
Speaker 4: he needs to make those but the the critique about
Speaker 4: the assist number, he's not tripped playing tree youngbo, No, No,
Speaker 4: he is. He's important to their offensive flow even though
Speaker 4: he needs to make more shots, and he led the
Speaker 4: team in rebound. So like it or not, this is
Speaker 4: sort of with Moses Moody playing that's bad, especially like
Speaker 4: you don't have a lot of options.
Speaker 3: What are supposed to do?
Speaker 4: Who are supposed to get more minutes to if you're
Speaker 4: taking away pods, if you're dropping his minutes, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 2: And he was minus two and thirty nine minutes. Like again,
Speaker 2: he's one for ten from the field. There's he takes
Speaker 2: two or three better shots or like passes up on
Speaker 2: two or three bad ones. To your point, hit a
Speaker 2: couple of those run extending type of threes. All of
Speaker 2: a sudden, he's playing a fantastic game. And we're talking
Speaker 2: about like kind of like a like a special game
Speaker 2: in his career. The big thing that I'm seeing on film,
Speaker 2: he's shooting a little bit of a flat ball right now,
Speaker 2: so he's getting some unfortunate bounces and this dude is
Speaker 2: getting clean opportunities in the mid range for floaters.
Speaker 3: He has got to get that floater, polished up.
Speaker 2: That needs to be a shot that he can hit
Speaker 2: consistently because that's there for him. But once once again
Speaker 2: with the floater, he's shooting it flat and so he's
Speaker 2: not getting very good roles on it.
Speaker 4: And I think we got also remember that he is
Speaker 4: a still a very very despite him playing kind of
Speaker 4: not a not young style of game. He plays a
Speaker 4: very veteran game. For the most part, I think he
Speaker 4: is still a very very twenty two. He's younger than
Speaker 4: a and he had and because of that, he's gonna
Speaker 4: have some really good like he had some a couple
Speaker 4: two games, I want to say, in the Houston series
Speaker 4: where he was cashing all of his mid range pull ups,
Speaker 4: he's hitting those awkward step throughs, he's getting people up
Speaker 4: in the air. And then he had a couple of
Speaker 4: games where he shot really poorly. And that's for a
Speaker 4: guy who's no one is expecting to become a high high,
Speaker 4: high level scorer like I just don't think that's really
Speaker 4: in his range of outcomes, even though I think he's
Speaker 4: a very good player. That's what's gonna happen to a
Speaker 4: guy who's in his what is the third year, like
Speaker 4: it just sort of he's.
Speaker 2: Got such good lift and his he's got a nice
Speaker 2: compact release to where like I do think he could
Speaker 2: be a very good catch and shoot player eventually me too.
Speaker 3: It's there, It's there. It just it's and that's the thing,
Speaker 3: like this is with Pods.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up his age because I think
Speaker 2: I think there's a he does just play like Vet
Speaker 2: and he's been one of the guys that's consistently been
Speaker 2: and Steve's like kind of inner circle of guys that
Speaker 2: he trusts, and he's he gets so much more leeway
Speaker 2: for poor shooting result than Moody does because he's just
Speaker 2: such an impact in all these different areas. But like, ultimately,
Speaker 2: like this is a development process and in the same way,
Speaker 2: like I feel like Austin Reeves has to make substantial
Speaker 2: improvements in terms of his strength, dealing with like bigger
Speaker 2: physical players and holding up better defensively. With Pods, it's
Speaker 2: becoming a more consistent offensive player.
Speaker 3: We saw it.
Speaker 2: I mean we watched that chunk of games there towards
Speaker 2: the end of the season. There was like a multi
Speaker 2: month stretch where Pods shot like forty two percent from
Speaker 2: three and was getting buckets and having some really big games,
Speaker 2: and so it's in there. But as we always talk about,
Speaker 2: it's like the the hot stretches for younger players tend
Speaker 2: to be shorter and the slumps tend to be longer.
Speaker 2: And part of being a VET is like extending your
Speaker 2: success and limiting your failure and failure, and it just
Speaker 2: takes time. It just takes time to figure that stuff
Speaker 2: out for sure.
Speaker 4: Next question about Anthony Edwards. Do you think with Ant
Speaker 4: was having a difficult time figuring out the defense in
Speaker 4: the first half or did he have low focus or intensity?
Speaker 4: I believe Ant has a focus issue sometimes when there's
Speaker 4: no pressure. What do you feel like was going wrong
Speaker 4: for Ant in the first half compared to the second
Speaker 4: In general?
Speaker 2: I felt like it was a combination of two things.
Speaker 2: The ball pressure just kind of rushing him into like
Speaker 2: kind of like attacks without a plan, so to speak.
Speaker 2: And then the jump shot. Like the Ant's jump shot.
Speaker 2: He's a very good jump shooter, but he can go
Speaker 2: through kind of like extended stretches where it's like a
Speaker 2: little flat and he's leaving it short and it just
Speaker 2: is like a little bit off. And I think like
Speaker 2: some of that is natural, like you shoot yourself out
Speaker 2: of a slump and then suddenly the shots start to
Speaker 2: go down, And that's very much what happened in that
Speaker 2: second half. But my biggest thing with him moving forward
Speaker 2: is just like having a little bit more of like
Speaker 2: a controlled approach to his drives. It almost reminds me
Speaker 2: of like watching the young Lebron and young Wade type athletes,
Speaker 2: where like they kind of just only know one speed
Speaker 2: going downhill, but then all of them when they got older,
Speaker 2: they became these guys that would put guys in jail
Speaker 2: and do some more methodical work in the middle of
Speaker 2: the floor. And that's really the big thing for me
Speaker 2: with An and his growth is I think he just
Speaker 2: has to become a guy. He's never going to be
Speaker 2: able to process moving at that speed. He's too fast.
Speaker 2: He's too fast for his own good. Like he's got
Speaker 2: to find a way to like, oh, I see it, seem,
Speaker 2: I'm going for it. But if I don't see it seem,
Speaker 2: don't just go and then improvise because that's where he
Speaker 2: ends up trying to knife through three bodies and he
Speaker 2: smokes a layup. It's like if you see an opening
Speaker 2: and you see congestion behind it, beat your man off
Speaker 2: the dribble, get him stuck on your side or behind you,
Speaker 2: and let the play develop, and they're going to be
Speaker 2: easier opportunities that come from that. I think it's all
Speaker 2: just part of his growth process.
Speaker 4: I think that young Lebron and Wade comparison is so true.
Speaker 4: And I was thinking about it just in comparison to
Speaker 4: someone like Luca who has never been a superstar athletes.
Speaker 4: So he's forced if he's gonna be, you know, a
Speaker 4: high level player, which he is, obviously, to play that
Speaker 4: stop and start, have the change and pays master all
Speaker 4: of the sort of nuances of playing offense, where when
Speaker 4: you're Anthony Edwards you haven't had to until right now.
Speaker 4: Basically you've been able to just be a super athlete
Speaker 4: and a great shooter. And that gets you pretty frickin' fass.
Speaker 4: It does, and that and and he's also very young,
Speaker 4: and so now he's reaching a point where he if
Speaker 4: he wants to take the next step, he's gonna have
Speaker 4: to do those things.
Speaker 3: And I don't doubt he's going to. That's the that's
Speaker 3: the fun thing with Anthony Edws.
Speaker 2: We were literally talking about this last night, like he's
Speaker 2: so far from where he's going to be. Like, this
Speaker 2: kid's gonna get so much better. It's like he's what
Speaker 2: twenty three played up. Yeah, he played like very much
Speaker 2: like a ram his head into the brick wall type
Speaker 2: of game tonight and still had thirty six. So like
Speaker 2: there's a there's there's just a version of this kid's
Speaker 2: career that could go to Like I, I do not
Speaker 2: know how good it can be, but I do know
Speaker 2: that he can be the best player in the league.
Speaker 3: Will he get there?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but like I, he legitimately has that potential.
Speaker 2: He's that type of special athlete that dunk on lou
Speaker 2: there's like a the dunky miss the one he missed
Speaker 2: on Trace Jackson Davis, the two hand like cockback, like
Speaker 2: like like.
Speaker 3: Dude, that was from Oh my god.
Speaker 2: That like he we were talking about this last night
Speaker 2: with respect to like Donovan Mitchell. There's like athletic and
Speaker 2: then there's transcendently athletic, and it's just one of those
Speaker 2: guys and that just means that any skill development is
Speaker 2: going to leap him up another level. It's like, how
Speaker 2: did he produce at this playoff level in his playoff career.
Speaker 3: He's just been a steady.
Speaker 2: Forty three point shooter in his playoff career like that,
Speaker 2: because he gets such great lift in separation. Once he
Speaker 2: adds the methodical processing and all that stuff and all
Speaker 2: the in between game, it's just gonna the skuy's.
Speaker 3: The limit for him, for sure. Let's say one more
Speaker 3: question and then we'll go over to playback.
Speaker 4: If the Wolves win Game four, do you think Steph
Speaker 4: will push himself to come back maybe a little earlier
Speaker 4: than he should with their.
Speaker 3: Season on the line. Obviously you can't come to his brain.
Speaker 2: No, you know, if Steph, if the Wolf lose Game four,
Speaker 2: I shut Steph down for the season, and that the
Speaker 2: reasoning is pretty simple. Like the Warriors made it pretty
Speaker 2: clear to Steph by all indications after they made the
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler trade that this was a two year window
Speaker 2: that they were gonna try this year and that they
Speaker 2: would try again next year. They have the assets at
Speaker 2: their disposal to make a substantial move this summer to
Speaker 2: anchor them with even more talent. They can go get
Speaker 2: a you know, potentially a guy like a Cam Johnson,
Speaker 2: or they could go get like a or like a
Speaker 2: Patrick Williams from Chicago something like that, Like they can
Speaker 2: go get a good player that can be useful for
Speaker 2: this team and and and and potentially have more firepower
Speaker 2: for this setting. Next year, I think we'll even look
Speaker 2: I think we'll even see them look for I think
Speaker 2: Cam Johnson is just such an obvious fit because it
Speaker 2: kind of checks two boxes. It's like the it's the
Speaker 2: clear three that they desperately need in terms of just
Speaker 2: like that rangy athlete that can guard the ball, but
Speaker 2: also that provides a legitimate scoring pop instead of inconsistent
Speaker 2: role player like maybe Pods is making a shot today
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. It's like Cam, Cam's gonna average twenty
Speaker 2: points a game for you.
Speaker 4: Cam's just a better version of Buddy Hoult.
Speaker 3: Kind of absolutely great.
Speaker 2: That's a great point looking at how useful Buddy's been
Speaker 2: in this offense, Like.
Speaker 3: So he's been so good, Yeah, and like that, that
Speaker 3: would be the.
Speaker 2: Buddy Heal's trajectory from his early career to what he's
Speaker 2: done for Golden State, where like last year, in addition
Speaker 2: to him just being a guy that was a frustrating
Speaker 2: player for his entire career, it was it two years
Speaker 2: ago that he played for Philly or was it last year.
Speaker 3: I think it was last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the series where he steps in for Philly
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, man, Buddy Heel, it's like useless in
Speaker 2: the playoffs, Like what does he do?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: And he's been like legitimately reliably good night tonight for
Speaker 2: them for the last couple of weeks in a way
Speaker 2: that's been really important. And so if they can take
Speaker 2: Buddy Heel, which to your point is just literally a
Speaker 2: lesser player than Cam Johnson in every single way and
Speaker 2: turn him into like a core part of their five
Speaker 2: best players in these lineups, then you can only imagine
Speaker 2: what a guy like Cam could do. But the point is,
Speaker 2: if you go down three to one, you're not winning
Speaker 2: Game five that Minnesota without Steph, even if you did,
Speaker 2: like he's got to turn around and play again and
Speaker 2: again and again and go right into the next round.
Speaker 2: Like your best case scenario is coming back from down
Speaker 2: three to one and winning in a Game seven before
Speaker 2: you roll up either into the Denver Nuggets will beat
Speaker 2: you up on the inside or the Oklahoma City Thunder
Speaker 2: will beat you up on the outside. There's just like
Speaker 2: no version of that that like Steph is gonna be
Speaker 2: near the peak of his ability where he needs to
Speaker 2: be to be good enough to win that that type
Speaker 2: of stretch of games. And so at that point, you
Speaker 2: cut your losses, You let Steph get a good summer rehab,
Speaker 2: no chance of re injuring that hamstring. We've seen a
Speaker 2: lot of examples in NBA history of like dudes hurting
Speaker 2: their hamstring and then not being the same, like Devin Booker,
Speaker 2: like James Harden like, but a lot of that is
Speaker 2: like them trying to come back and play and re
Speaker 2: injuring it and re injuring it and re injuring it,
Speaker 2: and so like there's a version of this where Steph
Speaker 2: could get one hundred percent recovery and then you're just
Speaker 2: a better basketball team next year. I do think, And
Speaker 2: let me ask you this, Jackson, before we move over
Speaker 2: to playback. Do you think the Warriors have done enough
Speaker 2: to this point. Let's say they lose Game four and
Speaker 2: they lose Game five, do you think the Warriors have
Speaker 2: done enough at this to this point to justify making
Speaker 2: a really aggressive trade this summer and going for it
Speaker 2: next year.
Speaker 3: I do. I think so too. I do.
Speaker 2: This defense is real, It's so real. Their defense is real.
Speaker 2: Steph has proven that he can still reach that level
Speaker 2: in this postseason. Jimmy Butler has as well every time
Speaker 2: that they've needed him to do. So there's you know,
Speaker 2: there's there's just there's still Like we talked about the
Speaker 2: young players, Moody and Pajemski and Trace Jackson, Davis and
Speaker 2: all those guys getting another year, Quintin post getting another year.
Speaker 2: You know, you make another nice move on the margins,
Speaker 2: you make a bigger trade. This is absolutely a team
Speaker 2: that has some legitimate chance next year, and so everything
Speaker 2: has to be a calculated risk. I wouldn't bring Steph
Speaker 2: back under any circumstances unless it's Game six, and like
Speaker 2: it's unless the series gets pushed to game six. That's
Speaker 2: the only scenario where I would consider it. All right, guys,
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