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Speaker 2: love diving into the minds of people. I find fascinating
Speaker 2: to dive into how people are creative, how people become conscious,
Speaker 2: and how people create things that the world gets excited about.
Speaker 2: I think I've always been a student of life and
Speaker 2: a student of people's journeys, and here we get to
Speaker 2: go back in time and find out what those key
Speaker 2: moments were in people's lives. Today's guest is someone that
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Speaker 2: Benny Blanco, record producer, songwriter, artist, actor, record executive and
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Speaker 2: in a second. Benny has contributed to the sale of
Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of albums worldwide through his work with
Speaker 2: some of your favorite artists including Ed Sheeran, Scissor, Justin Bieber, Rihanna,
Speaker 2: Katie Perry, The Weekend, Maroon Five, Juice, World Sea, and
Speaker 2: many more. As a solo artist, Benny has released two albums,
Speaker 2: Friends Keep Secrets and Friends Keep Secrets Too, that have
Speaker 2: been streamed more than eleven billion times today and have
Speaker 2: featured multiple platinum hits. Benny made his TV debut playing
Speaker 2: a fictionalized version of himself on the FFX series Dave
Speaker 2: with Little Dicky. If you haven't seen it, that episode's brilliant.
Speaker 2: Benny's most recent project is his first cookbook, Open Wide.
Speaker 2: You can get it right now. We'll be diving into
Speaker 2: that as well. Welcome to the show, Bennie Blanco.
Speaker 1: Wow, that was so cool. I want you to walk
Speaker 1: around with me all the time. I understand. I get
Speaker 1: why you're number one podcast for help. I was when
Speaker 1: you were talking. I was. My jaw was dropped. I
Speaker 1: was just mesmerized by everything.
Speaker 2: Benny, I want to do the introduction now every time
Speaker 2: you go on stage, every time you're there, it has
Speaker 2: to be you know.
Speaker 1: I know I got to come up with one for you.
Speaker 1: I'd be like perfect skin, beautiful eyes, wavy hair, you're
Speaker 1: talking about yourself and.
Speaker 2: Same thing we both were saying.
Speaker 1: We're interchange.
Speaker 2: We got curly hair, we got colored eyes, you got
Speaker 2: good skin. Okay, I love it, Benny. It's such a
Speaker 2: joy to have you here, and I'm excited to dive
Speaker 2: into everything that I was just talking about. But when
Speaker 2: I'm sitting with someone like you, who you know, creativity
Speaker 2: is at your fingertips, it's kind of embedded into your
Speaker 2: whole life. I'm always intrigued. What's your earliest childhood memory
Speaker 2: of being creative? Like, do you remember the first thing
Speaker 2: you put together? You're just telling me you even had
Speaker 2: this shirt made that you're wearing today, Like, what was
Speaker 2: one of the first things you remember saying? Oh, wow,
Speaker 2: I did some as a kid.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's what I really remember. So I you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't have the luxury of having like insane musical
Speaker 1: instruments at my fingertips and recording studios. And I was
Speaker 1: from a I was from the middle of nowhere. So
Speaker 1: I my brother had a boombox, an old school boombox,
Speaker 1: and I had a smaller, old school boombox, and I
Speaker 1: was I remember my earliest memories that probably I'm probably
Speaker 1: like five or six, and I remember realizing that music.
Speaker 1: You know, when I first heard music, I always thought
Speaker 1: that the like the musician was at the radio station
Speaker 1: singing the song, and I was like, how do they
Speaker 1: keep coming back to the station. I didn't even understand
Speaker 1: how music was created, but somewhere very early I figured
Speaker 1: out that it was like a multi track situation. And
Speaker 1: I would take I had a boombox, and I would
Speaker 1: record like me like hitting like this into the boombox. Okay.
Speaker 1: Then I would press play on that one, and then
Speaker 1: I would do the next thing on the other boombox
Speaker 1: and record into that one, and I would keep going
Speaker 1: back and forth until I created like a track. I
Speaker 1: guess I was creating like my own like eight track
Speaker 1: and multi track of layering things, and I didn't even
Speaker 1: know what it was, but I was just so excited
Speaker 1: that I was doing it. And my whole career has
Speaker 1: been a version of that. Like I have no training,
Speaker 1: I'm not good at anything. I'm I'm I'm really like
Speaker 1: I like I like I know people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're being humble. I'm really not great at anything. I
Speaker 1: have like a ultimate will to get things done, Like
Speaker 1: I'm like this will happened. But no, it's just I'm
Speaker 1: always trial and error, and I always tell people. People
Speaker 1: are always just like, wow, did you do this? How
Speaker 1: did you? And I'm like, honestly like just going in
Speaker 1: and I call it making a mess. I like to
Speaker 1: go in and throw a bunch of shit around the room,
Speaker 1: throw pained everything, and then we worry about cleaning it
Speaker 1: up later. But maybe a few of those things just
Speaker 1: happen the land correctly, and I just keep doing that
Speaker 1: until everything fully lands where I wanted to and I'm
Speaker 1: just playing clean up around the size.
Speaker 2: That's a beautiful way of describing the process. But what
Speaker 2: gave you that? Where does that will or that confidence
Speaker 2: come from? Because I think a lot of people are
Speaker 2: scared of creating a mess or scared of things not sticking,
Speaker 2: so they never try. Whereas it sounds like you're the opposite,
Speaker 2: where you're like, well, I don't care if it doesn't try,
Speaker 2: I'm willing to give it a go. Where is that
Speaker 2: in a confidence that in an ability to say hey,
Speaker 2: it's okay come from.
Speaker 1: I don't care about failure at all. I don't care,
Speaker 1: and I never did. I think when I was younger,
Speaker 1: I didn't understand what failure was like when you're you know,
Speaker 1: when you're six, when you're seven, when you're twelve, you
Speaker 1: don't there's not many people to let down, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You let down Timmy at school. He's
Speaker 1: your friend. Sorry Timmy, but you you're not thinking about that.
Speaker 1: And I always I just remember from the beginning, like
Speaker 1: my mom was like I wanted to drop out of school.
Speaker 1: And you know, my mom was raising me alone, and
Speaker 1: it was I was probably fifteen sixteen at the time,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Mom, I know what I want
Speaker 1: to do. She's like, what do you want to do?
Speaker 1: I'm like the music stuff, like I'm so into it
Speaker 1: and I know and I looked at and I go,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm going to be the biggest in the world.
Speaker 1: And she was just like, what do you say?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And I've asked her. I've asked my mom like later
Speaker 1: in life, like how did you like trust me in
Speaker 1: my journey? And she always said that she had dreams
Speaker 1: that she never got to try in her life. And
Speaker 1: a lot of people are just way too scared to
Speaker 1: take the jump. You know, a lot of people may
Speaker 1: have I'm sure everyone in this room, anyone listening has
Speaker 1: a little something where they're like, oh, I really like that,
Speaker 1: but they're scared. They're scared. They're like, you know, I
Speaker 1: would you know, I want to post videos of me
Speaker 1: cooking on like noah, no, no, no, no want to like it.
Speaker 1: My friends will make fun of me. I want to
Speaker 1: I sing in the shower like I want no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. Because we're taught to just follow suit and
Speaker 1: do whatever you're supposed to do. You report to your boss,
Speaker 1: But it doesn't have to be like that. Like if
Speaker 1: you want to try to be like a musician, an entrepreneur, whatever,
Speaker 1: it's scary and like I'm sure you've had moments like
Speaker 1: that where you're like, yo, what am I doing? But
Speaker 1: if you do try, I believe that if you keep
Speaker 1: pushing yourself and you keep trying, you're going to succeed.
Speaker 1: And I always tell people this, it may not be
Speaker 1: in what you start with, you know, Like when I started,
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be the biggest rap
Speaker 1: artist in the world, And am I a rapper out?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: And then I moved into producing, and then I moved
Speaker 1: into songwriting, and then it's come full circle now where
Speaker 1: I'm like an artist of some sorts again, and I
Speaker 1: think you just jump in and just try something, just try,
Speaker 1: and who cares if you're going to fail? Who cares
Speaker 1: if you fail? I don't understand. This's the thing. I
Speaker 1: don't understand. It's just you just get up and you
Speaker 1: do it again. I like, I have amnesia the second
Speaker 1: I feel, the second I film, I'm like, the next
Speaker 1: day I wake up, I'm like, all right, let's do
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 2: You know, that's an amazing mindset. So we share something
Speaker 2: in common already. We both grew up wanting to be
Speaker 2: famous rappers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean too. Yeah, No, that.
Speaker 2: Was like my passion, like poetry, spoken word, writing, lyrics,
Speaker 2: Like all I listened to is hip hop and rap
Speaker 2: growing up. If you asked me, it's sixteen years old
Speaker 2: what I wanted to be. That's what I wanted to be.
Speaker 2: And it's so interesting because today I feel I use
Speaker 2: the same skills that I wanted to use then, but
Speaker 2: in a completely different way. I still write, I write
Speaker 2: books instead of records. I teach meditation, which includes music,
Speaker 2: includes cadence, it includes rhyme often, but not in the
Speaker 2: way that a rapper word. And I'm using spoken word
Speaker 2: constantly to get messages out into the world, but in
Speaker 2: a different way. And so I love what you just
Speaker 2: said about that idea of how you actually may succeed,
Speaker 2: but in a way completely different to what you originally
Speaker 2: dreamed of.
Speaker 1: I hope it goes full circle for you. I want
Speaker 1: to hear it. I need to hear the j shady
Speaker 1: rap take what was your rap name?
Speaker 2: Oh god, I don't know if I need to go
Speaker 2: that farka. It was embarrassing, but I'll tell you later.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you privately.
Speaker 1: Yea, is Ja Scheddy your real name? Yes, it's such a.
Speaker 1: That's the perfect rap it. Ye Ja Shetty sounds like
Speaker 1: a fire average really from East London?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm from North London, so not far all right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Not far?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Cool?
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it, but no, I really
Speaker 2: appreciate what you're saying there. And I think that anesia
Speaker 2: to failure. Wow, like that that spec. I loved that
Speaker 2: idea of having amnesia with failure. Can you give me
Speaker 2: a time. Was that always the case or was there
Speaker 2: a failure that like did kind of pierce that veil?
Speaker 2: It never has I can see.
Speaker 1: From you now. No, I remember when I was gonna
Speaker 1: quit music one time before I meet, right before I
Speaker 1: made it, my my mentor passed away. He took his
Speaker 1: own life. And I was really young. It was one
Speaker 1: of my best friends, and I'm probably like eighteen. I
Speaker 1: remember like sitting in my bed and I was just
Speaker 1: like I was like crying. I like didn't understand. You know.
Speaker 1: It was one of the first times that somebody who
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to die died. You know. I've had like
Speaker 1: you know, I had lost my grandmother and lost my grandfather,
Speaker 1: but it was like the first time in my life
Speaker 1: where like someone that like I really knew and really
Speaker 1: touched me, and I talked to them the day before
Speaker 1: they died, and it's like, uh, I remember like that
Speaker 1: hitting me like so hard in a way that I
Speaker 1: didn't know was even possible. Like, you know, I'd been sad,
Speaker 1: I had, but I remember sitting there in bed and
Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm just gonna quit. I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta quit making music. And then in that very
Speaker 1: same moment, like my head flipped and I was just like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't. You gotta like take on what this dude
Speaker 1: started because he didn't. He was also a musician, and
Speaker 1: he didn't get totally. He was you know, he was
Speaker 1: well known and he was a hero to me, but
Speaker 1: he didn't get where I think he deserved to. And
Speaker 1: I remember being like, I gotta do this, like I
Speaker 1: got it, Like he would want me to be doing this.
Speaker 1: He would. And that was like the only time where
Speaker 1: it wasn't even failure. It was like the only time
Speaker 1: where I like really question things. And but don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, every time I do something good in life,
Speaker 1: I'm questioning. It's not but it's like a different feeling.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have this, but I'll have
Speaker 1: a number one song, like a number one song, it's
Speaker 1: the biggest song in the whole world, and I I'll
Speaker 1: like look at the men and I'll oh, that's the
Speaker 1: last one. Like it definitely not gonna have another number
Speaker 1: one song again. Not saying I'm like scared of the failure.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, that's just like the last one.
Speaker 1: That's what I did, or all something really good will
Speaker 1: happen in my life and I'm like, oh, I'll never
Speaker 1: recreate that again. And but in the same breath, I'm like,
Speaker 1: let's go. Like I'm like, let's keep rolling, you know,
Speaker 1: And and I've tried to do this thing lately in
Speaker 1: the last like five or ten years, where I really
Speaker 1: like take in my achievements because for a while I
Speaker 1: never thought of them. I would just keep going. Like
Speaker 1: when it was time they'd be like, oh, your song
Speaker 1: number one, I'd be like, Okay, that's cool. What are
Speaker 1: we doing next week? And I figured out like it's
Speaker 1: okay to do that, It's okay to like take a
Speaker 1: breath and be like, yo, we just did this shit
Speaker 1: like this is tight, like we did this, this is
Speaker 1: great and and yeah, I just I'm trying to do
Speaker 1: that more and failure Like no, I've never had one
Speaker 1: of those times because whenever I do fail, I'll sit
Speaker 1: and I'll obviously like I'll sit there and I'll be
Speaker 1: like this didn't work how I wanted it to. But
Speaker 1: so many times have been the opposite where I was like,
Speaker 1: this will never work and then it's me. So it's
Speaker 1: like I feel like it always evens out and you
Speaker 1: only have one other choice. It's like the air. Only
Speaker 1: choice is just to keep going. What are you supposed
Speaker 1: to do? Just be like no, get up and you
Speaker 1: do it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got so many questions I want to dive
Speaker 2: into so much that you said, so rewinding with your mentor,
Speaker 2: how did you first? And I'm so sorry to hear
Speaker 2: thank you for sharing with us, and you know, such
Speaker 2: a challenging event. And I lost my mentor four years ago.
Speaker 2: He passed away from stage four brain cancer during the pandemic.
Speaker 2: So I couldn't go back to see him because I
Speaker 2: couldn't take a flight, and so I couldn't be a funeral.
Speaker 2: So you know that, Yeah, it was super rough for me.
Speaker 2: It was more recent. But how did you meet your
Speaker 2: mentor and how did you form a bond? I think
Speaker 2: a lot of successful people have mentors. They have guides,
Speaker 2: they have teachers, they have coaches. But then sometimes when
Speaker 2: you're listening to a conversation, you're like this, You're like,
Speaker 2: I want someone to be my mentor, but I don't
Speaker 2: know where to start and how to find them, Like
Speaker 2: what does that mean? Like how did you connect?
Speaker 1: I had? I've had so many mentors. I have mentors
Speaker 1: every day. I'm a mentor to people, but sometimes my
Speaker 1: mentees are my mentor. Like I'm always you always got
Speaker 1: to be open to just listening and learning every day.
Speaker 1: I learned something. I was in the studio yesterday with
Speaker 1: a guy who's one of my mentees. Like the way
Speaker 1: I met I gotta tell you that story later. That's insane.
Speaker 1: I'll go to that. I'll tell that after first one
Speaker 1: is I met my mentor I was. This is when
Speaker 1: he was like my second or third mentor. I met
Speaker 1: a lot of really really important mentors in my life.
Speaker 1: When I was about thirteen, I was a musician. I
Speaker 1: was traveling for music at the time. I had gotten
Speaker 1: like some buzz and my Space was a thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I had somehow created a profile where I had
Speaker 1: a bunch of followers. Okay, so I don't even remember
Speaker 1: how I did it, but I was a kid. I
Speaker 1: used to do it in the library at school. And
Speaker 1: there was this guy, he was a producer. I was
Speaker 1: obsessed with him. I DM well messaged him the equivalent
Speaker 1: of DM today. And I remember messaging him and I
Speaker 1: was like, I love yourself, oh blah blah, and then
Speaker 1: no response. And I was like, oh, I love you
Speaker 1: like please blah blah blah. No response. Then I saw,
Speaker 1: like a few weeks later, he was advertising. He was like,
Speaker 1: I have studio time available. It's like you know, five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars or something. And I remember just being like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the only way I'm going to meet this guy is
Speaker 1: if I get the studio time. So I say, I'm
Speaker 1: interested in the studio time. He says, great, come to
Speaker 1: New York and meet me here. He had no idea
Speaker 1: where I was. I drove to New York and I drove.
Speaker 1: We drove like four hours to New York. I get
Speaker 1: to New York, I get in with him. The first
Speaker 1: thing I say is I'm like, I don't really need
Speaker 1: studio time. I just want to talk to you. Please,
Speaker 1: I'll do anything. I just want to work with you.
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever you say. But then he was just
Speaker 1: like this was insane. He said, I'm leaving this weekend.
Speaker 1: I need my studio book to the whole weekend. It's
Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty dollars for the for the two
Speaker 1: days you need to book it. If you can book it,
Speaker 1: I'll let you work for me. Who I called every
Speaker 1: single person I know. I spent every you know, I
Speaker 1: had like a few hundred bucks then, like I would
Speaker 1: like beg my friends for money. I had like a
Speaker 1: few into a few rappers at the time that wanted
Speaker 1: studio time, and I like figured it out and he
Speaker 1: was just like he got back. I did it like
Speaker 1: I just did it in the nick of time, and
Speaker 1: he was just like, all right, you can work. You
Speaker 1: start next week. I would drive up every weekend from
Speaker 1: Virginia to work with him. When from when I was
Speaker 1: like sixteen seventeen, and we created this bond and it
Speaker 1: was like he was tough on me. He was like
Speaker 1: he was like not an easy guy. Like I remember,
Speaker 1: like I I walked in and I had a hard
Speaker 1: drive filled with all of my music, okay, everything I
Speaker 1: had been making, and he like took it. He listened
Speaker 1: to it, he ejected it, and then he threw it
Speaker 1: out the window. He threw my hard drive out the window,
Speaker 1: broke into a million pieces. No more hard drive, and
Speaker 1: he was like not good enough. Start again. And it
Speaker 1: was like yeah, he was like super sense. It was
Speaker 1: like karate kid. And I like hated him in the
Speaker 1: moments for it, but so many he taught me so
Speaker 1: many things that like I learned and taught me things
Speaker 1: not to do as a man, and like and you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was a really special time. And now
Speaker 1: I just want to jump to this okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please, I love it.
Speaker 1: So I'm you know, this is I don't know, almost
Speaker 1: ten years ago now, maybe eight years ago, and I'm
Speaker 1: playing poker at a friend's house and my friend puts
Speaker 1: me on her story, her Instagram story, and the next
Speaker 1: day she comes to me and she said, hey, my
Speaker 1: friend's son saw you on my story and apparently you're
Speaker 1: like a big deal in music. And she was just like,
Speaker 1: you have to have him come work for you. And
Speaker 1: I was like what. She's like, yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: have him come work for you. I was like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need anyone else. I already have assistants, interns.
Speaker 1: And they were like, no, you have to. And this
Speaker 1: lady is like a very there isn't really you don't
Speaker 1: get to have a choice. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll meet him. So this kid comes in. He's fifteen
Speaker 1: years old. He's like like everything, like he's just so
Speaker 1: excited and he like was so sweet and he reminded
Speaker 1: him me of me when I was a kid. He
Speaker 1: was like, I'll do anything, I'll work for you, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. I was like, all right, come work for me.
Speaker 1: He comes and works for me. I still like am
Speaker 1: spending a lot of time in New York at the time,
Speaker 1: and so I don't see him. He's just like building
Speaker 1: a studio for me and has never even met me
Speaker 1: besides that one day. But he like he does it
Speaker 1: for like a year. Then like I finally come back
Speaker 1: to LA and I I'm like, all right, you ready
Speaker 1: to come into some recording studios and he was like
Speaker 1: he was like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: So like you know, first week, first three sessions, it's
Speaker 1: his first session is the Weekend. His second seession is
Speaker 1: Travis Scott, and like his third session was like Maroon five,
Speaker 1: so it's like he's getting thrown into it. So I
Speaker 1: remember we're at the first session and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: be cool, blah blah. It's the weekend, and the Weekend's
Speaker 1: in there, and we're like all in a room and
Speaker 1: we're just like singing into microphones like we're chilling, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I know, his mind's blown. Weekend's his favorite
Speaker 1: artists at the time, And I remember he when no
Speaker 1: one's looking, he like sneaks a picture and he accidentally
Speaker 1: has his flash on it, so it goes and it
Speaker 1: has the noise too, and so I was like, and
Speaker 1: when it did it, he went and he threw his
Speaker 1: phone and somehow the weekend didn't notice, and like, I
Speaker 1: pulled him aside after and I'm like, dude, you can't
Speaker 1: do that, blah blah. Fast forward, he's in high school
Speaker 1: and I say, hey, I'm in the middle of I
Speaker 1: was in the middle of making Ed Sheeran's Divide album
Speaker 1: and I was producing the whole thing. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I need some help on the road. If I talk
Speaker 1: to your school and get you off, will you come
Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, of course. Took him on
Speaker 1: the road for like two weeks. Mine was blown. Then
Speaker 1: you know, he starts going to NYU School of Clive
Speaker 1: Davis School of Music, and he, uh, I have another opportunity.
Speaker 1: I talk to his teachers. I take him on the
Speaker 1: road for like a month. We're on tour with Halsey.
Speaker 1: Then he's coming back to work for me. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: we've never talked about him making music at all. And
Speaker 1: we're sitting there one day, it's late at night, and
Speaker 1: he said, my therapist said, he's going to stop working
Speaker 1: with me if I don't play you my music. I said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean, you make music, and he's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I make music. I was like, why didn't you ever
Speaker 1: play for me. He's like, I was so scared. I
Speaker 1: was trying to get better. Blah blah blah. He plays
Speaker 1: me some songs. They're terrible, They're like they're awful, but
Speaker 1: like I can hear something in him and I know
Speaker 1: he's so you know, in music, so much of it
Speaker 1: is like getting an artist to feel comfortable, getting them
Speaker 1: to believe, getting them to you know, so much of
Speaker 1: it is your personality, and he had that. He had
Speaker 1: the it factor. I saw when he was with like artists,
Speaker 1: he knew how to talk to them, he knew how
Speaker 1: to make them feel good, just like getting them food, everything.
Speaker 1: And you know, he spent years just seeing how I
Speaker 1: did it with artists, and I decided to sign him.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna sign you. And he went
Speaker 1: on this journey and now he's one of the biggest
Speaker 1: music producers in the world. I mean last year he
Speaker 1: won you know, Best Record at the Grammys. He's had
Speaker 1: like five or ten number one records, and it's like
Speaker 1: this guy started he was so humble, he was fifteen
Speaker 1: years old. Now he's like probably twenty six, twenty seven,
Speaker 1: and he did. He just went on the journey. He
Speaker 1: knew when his time was and he went in and
Speaker 1: he did it. And it was just like I always
Speaker 1: tell people, you know, you just got to stick through it.
Speaker 1: You gotta stick around, you know. And when I first
Speaker 1: signed him, it wasn't working for him. It took him
Speaker 1: like a few years for it really to like connect,
Speaker 1: and he's just like, it's such a fun story for me.
Speaker 1: That's a brilliant yeah to you know. And I've been
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to have that a few different times in
Speaker 1: my life with people, and it was so cool because
Speaker 1: I had that experience and we're all to pay it forward.
Speaker 2: It's just yeah, the interne applications to the Benny Blanco
Speaker 2: School of music just went through the roof. Now read's
Speaker 2: gonna get up, dude. I love that. No, it's it's uh,
Speaker 2: it's it's beautiful to hear that. And and also what
Speaker 2: I love about that message is when your mentor throws
Speaker 2: your hard drive outside the window, like it's so easy
Speaker 2: to be like I'm never going back, Like he's crazy,
Speaker 2: like I'm never going back. It's that whiplash. Oh yeah, right,
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Was my life. That was I was a cleaning toilets
Speaker 1: with a toothbrush, like that was my real life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was thinking of when you were
Speaker 2: describing it. I felt exactly like that. I'm thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: it's but how do you show up again and recognize
Speaker 2: this value because I think now we're in a place
Speaker 2: as well where it's like if something like that happened,
Speaker 2: we'd be like, oh, get out of there.
Speaker 1: It's you know, so I know it did change a
Speaker 1: little bit, Like.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't do that, That's what I mean. You wouldn't
Speaker 2: throw something's hard drive.
Speaker 1: No, I would never do those type of things. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm just like not that type of birth. I'm
Speaker 1: not like a yelling person. I'm not like it's just
Speaker 1: like not, that's not my way of communication. Like if
Speaker 1: I was like sad about something, I'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: I think it's like probably almost worse. Like I'm like
Speaker 1: i'd be like, ah, why did you do that? You know?
Speaker 2: I go quiet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be like you know, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: ever like in a you know, in an argument in
Speaker 1: a relationship, Like I'm not a yeller, I'm like a
Speaker 1: I'm like a oh man, like I wish it was different,
Speaker 1: like and I can't even find the words usually at
Speaker 1: the beginning, and I think that's how I am. And
Speaker 1: I think, like I really learned that you don't have
Speaker 1: to do that stuff. You It worked for me. It
Speaker 1: got me to where I am. But it's like, you can,
Speaker 1: you can be really positive. You can you can be
Speaker 1: a good influence on someone. You don't have to like
Speaker 1: you can be hard on someone like I'm I'm definitely
Speaker 1: like I was definitely hard on on the guy was
Speaker 1: talking about Blake, I was, I was, I was tough
Speaker 1: on him, but I was never like I would never
Speaker 1: be mean. I would never like there's no reason to
Speaker 1: do that. And what made me keep going back, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Sheer just will and drive like that. That's
Speaker 1: like I just was like, I what they're trying. That's
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. They want me, they want
Speaker 1: me to quit, they want me to you know, And
Speaker 1: I don't know. I always I don't know why I
Speaker 1: do it, and I wonder, you know, sometimes I sit
Speaker 1: in bed and I'm like, why am I still working
Speaker 1: like so hard? Like I still work like I've never
Speaker 1: done a thing in my life, Like I'm still wake
Speaker 1: up every morning, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna do this, and then I swear I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get this thing. And I always That's why I
Speaker 1: try to do different things that I'm not necessarily great
Speaker 1: at to or not that I'm not great at, but
Speaker 1: that I don't have. You know, in music, I can
Speaker 1: go in, I can work with anyone. I can do this,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, like making a cookbook, being in a
Speaker 1: TV show. I've never done these things. So it's like
Speaker 1: very interesting to me to start at the bottom again
Speaker 1: and just like try to work my way up. It's fun.
Speaker 1: I love the climb. Like that's my favorite part about life,
Speaker 1: even everything. Like in a relationship, when you meet that
Speaker 1: person at the very beginning, it's like, oh, I gotta
Speaker 1: like make my way into their heart and they have
Speaker 1: to make their way into mind, and it's just all
Speaker 1: about I don't know, getting there is always the best.
Speaker 1: And then when you're there, I'm just like, all right,
Speaker 1: what else can I I want to get? I want
Speaker 1: to get some you know what I mean. Like so
Speaker 1: when you're like, you know, you do the music stuff
Speaker 1: and you get there and you're like, I think the
Speaker 1: only thing where you get there and it just keeps
Speaker 1: getting better is in a relationship with someone. I think
Speaker 1: that's like the only time you get there and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is cool, like but when every other time I'm
Speaker 1: just like okay, cool, Like let's go.
Speaker 2: What do you think makes relationships different that makes you
Speaker 2: feel that way as opposed to music because or anything else,
Speaker 2: any other achievement.
Speaker 1: No, well, well I've never been in a relationship the
Speaker 1: way that I've been in one with music, because it's
Speaker 1: been like a thirty year relationship, so I have no
Speaker 1: idea what happens thirty years from now in a relationship.
Speaker 1: But uh, I just feel like in a relationship is
Speaker 1: like all these other things I'm doing, there's so many
Speaker 1: like tentacles, Like it's like you go this way and
Speaker 1: then you guys explore that together, and you're exploring so
Speaker 1: many It's basically anything I would explore in my life.
Speaker 1: I'm exploring with a partner, and so it's like figuring
Speaker 1: out like you guys are like figuring out things together.
Speaker 1: And it's so cool when you have like a partner
Speaker 1: that like I don't know, like I just get the
Speaker 1: feeling like it's it's awesome when you can have a
Speaker 1: partner that you look at and you're and it's like
Speaker 1: the end of the day and you're like, oh, what
Speaker 1: did you do today? And they tell you and you're
Speaker 1: like that's so tight, and you're like, I want to
Speaker 1: do more. Like when you can feed off of each
Speaker 1: other and just keep growing together, it's like every day
Speaker 1: is a new experience and you guys are like facing
Speaker 1: different things together and it's I don't know, it's cool.
Speaker 1: And I always tell my friend. I was just talking
Speaker 1: to my friend yesterday about this. I was like, you
Speaker 1: always have to keep your work and life balance. And
Speaker 1: I was like, because you can feel it in the
Speaker 1: music and art if you don't have love or you
Speaker 1: don't have something. So I always tell them I always
Speaker 1: feel that it's just like this. I have like rules,
Speaker 1: like every day, like I only work till like a
Speaker 1: certain time. I make sure I you know, like cooking
Speaker 1: is very important to me in therapeutic, so I make
Speaker 1: sure I do that. Like it's like xanax to me,
Speaker 1: Like I and I have like all my things that
Speaker 1: I have to do to make that bound because I
Speaker 1: do push myself. I shove my head through that wall,
Speaker 1: just that dry wall if I had to butt at
Speaker 1: the same time, I try to do all the things.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, like every you know, it's like every Sunday,
Speaker 1: I see my mom no matter what, every single Sunday
Speaker 1: at the exact same time. It doesn't matter if I
Speaker 1: like stay up all night, I'll just go right into
Speaker 1: seeing her. And it's just like we have like a
Speaker 1: ritual we do. And then I have like my ritual
Speaker 1: where I go and get my groceries at the farmer's
Speaker 1: market every weekend. And there's just all these things that
Speaker 1: help keep you on track and grounded so you can
Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing, you know. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you have things like that for yourself.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, mind similar, call my mom at the
Speaker 2: same time every week because she's back in London, yeah,
Speaker 2: where I was born and raised, and so I have
Speaker 2: the same time I call her on the weekend. And yeah,
Speaker 2: there's certain things that have to be done that way,
Speaker 2: and same with you. And you know, I have a
Speaker 2: certain time as well that I switch off from work
Speaker 2: and I'm not looking at my phone. I have a
Speaker 2: time in the morning I have like three hours of
Speaker 2: being awake before I'm doing any work. I have to
Speaker 2: take that time for myself. But what's interesting about what
Speaker 2: you're saying is that there's a myth obviously that the
Speaker 2: broken hearted artist can pour into the music, but you're
Speaker 2: actually saying that if you have love in your life,
Speaker 2: that can also be felt through music.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that at times it's good to have
Speaker 1: a broken heart, but it's also good. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a time and place for everything. What time you wake up?
Speaker 2: I wake up now at five thirty am?
Speaker 1: What you wake up before?
Speaker 2: Usually it was like I was. This year has been different.
Speaker 2: This year, I've been really prioritizing five point thirty, But
Speaker 2: up until last year, it's probably like six to six thirty.
Speaker 1: And what time do you go to bed?
Speaker 2: I go to bed at like nine pm? Now really yeah,
Speaker 2: I love my eight hours of sleep. So if I
Speaker 2: get into bed at nine, I'll be out by nine
Speaker 2: to fifteen, okay. And then if I wake up at
Speaker 2: five thirty, I've at like eight hours and thirty year
Speaker 2: it's asleep, Like, it's.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What are you doing in those
Speaker 1: first three hours?
Speaker 2: Meditating for a lot of it. So I'll wake up
Speaker 2: at five thirty, I'll be ready to sit down for
Speaker 2: meditation by like five forty five, or meditate for an
Speaker 2: hour and a half, and then seven fifteen I'll go
Speaker 2: for a hike or go to the gym or yeah,
Speaker 2: usually I hike on the gym from seven to fifteen
Speaker 2: till about eight fifteen, eight thirty, get ready, and then
Speaker 2: nine am I'll take my first emails, meetings, all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So I think you came at ten today, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hour and a half, eleven hour and a half.
Speaker 1: Is that's that's a good meditation hour and a half.
Speaker 1: How do you even stay focused?
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's it's a good question. And I
Speaker 2: always say to people that when I started, it wasn't
Speaker 2: one and a half hours like you start up with
Speaker 2: doing like seven minutes, yeah, twenty minutes, yeah, forty minutes.
Speaker 2: And what I found was just in the same way
Speaker 2: as if you go to a trainer at the gym,
Speaker 2: you'd hope that they work out more than you. So
Speaker 2: as someone who teaches meditation and helps people with mindfulness,
Speaker 2: I believe that as a trainer and as a coach,
Speaker 2: I have to do it for more time and deeper time,
Speaker 2: because otherwise If I'm only doing it for seven minutes
Speaker 2: and I'm mentoring you and you're only doing it for
Speaker 2: seven minutes, then how will I ever have an experience
Speaker 2: to guide you deeper? And so I've been doing that
Speaker 2: since I was eighteen now, so it's been a long time.
Speaker 2: And when I was a month for three years, it
Speaker 2: was longer, and that's where I got that deepest experience
Speaker 2: of practice for it. So I feel like if I
Speaker 2: didn't have those three years of going really deep into
Speaker 2: the practice, I may not have the focus I have today.
Speaker 1: You're a month for three years? Yeah, like a real month?
Speaker 1: Same Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've never met I'd have to
Speaker 1: show you. I've never even met a month.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm not anymore, but yeah, how long you still
Speaker 2: haven't met? Where?
Speaker 1: Where? When was this?
Speaker 2: So this was twenty ten to twenty thirteen and I
Speaker 2: was among across India, Uken, Europe. I traveled between the
Speaker 2: three and I shaved head, I wore robes, I slept
Speaker 2: on the floor. We meditated for like four to eight hours,
Speaker 2: sometimes a day, and so.
Speaker 1: It was a standard standard Sandy stanturday eight hour meditation.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when do you do anything else? Well, sometimes you
Speaker 2: didn't that was the point.
Speaker 1: In eight hour meditation sometime, isn't that sleeping? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean you can count it as the same thing.
Speaker 2: We sleep for eight hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, my heart. The hardest part for
Speaker 1: me with meditating is that I instantly fall asleep. I
Speaker 1: can fall asleep very easily.
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you why though. The reason why that
Speaker 2: happens during meditation or any practice of that sort is
Speaker 2: your body and mind are finally coming into sync, and
Speaker 2: so it's your body saying I need sleep right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so if you're falling asleep during meditation, it's not
Speaker 2: a bad thing. It's just you've literally because what's happening
Speaker 2: when you're not falling asleep is your mind saying we
Speaker 2: got to do more, Yeah, we got to do more.
Speaker 2: And then finally, when you become present, you fall asleep
Speaker 2: because your body's saying I've done enough today.
Speaker 1: Where do you do these meditators?
Speaker 2: I want to do a meditation. We'll take you too afterwards.
Speaker 1: I want to do a meditation with you.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll do it.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to learn I I you know,
Speaker 1: I've done it. There was like a time in my
Speaker 1: life when when I was going through rough patch and
Speaker 1: then like, you know, I was going to therapy and
Speaker 1: I was meditating and stuff, and it actually helped me
Speaker 1: so much. It helped me.
Speaker 2: What was that during What were you going through?
Speaker 1: When everything first started happening for me all at once,
Speaker 1: it was like really overwhelming. I was, you know, for
Speaker 1: the first like year or two, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is awesome, and then like it really hit me
Speaker 1: because you know, so many different responsibilities and people asking
Speaker 1: you for money, and like I just didn't grow up
Speaker 1: in a way like I had never I didn't even imagine,
Speaker 1: you know, I was I was young when I made it,
Speaker 1: so I was like I didn't really I didn't even
Speaker 1: realize about like money. And then I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: all like I have this, what do I do with
Speaker 1: the like? And then it's like I have all the
Speaker 1: success and people need things from me and people want
Speaker 1: and it was just too much. And where I grew
Speaker 1: up like I didn't, like, I don't know, I didn't
Speaker 1: go to like therapy as a kid. I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't know about any of that. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: anxiety was. I thought like everyone I was like, oh everyone,
Speaker 1: the room spins for everyone when you like sit down
Speaker 1: and you're like doing something. I just there were so
Speaker 1: many things I didn't understand, and I thought it was
Speaker 1: just my body. And I never talked to anyone about it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, they were just things like
Speaker 1: I learned to live with. And I remember, like I
Speaker 1: just remember exactly where I was. I was like walking
Speaker 1: in to get a new cell phone. I lost my
Speaker 1: mind and I and I and I just couldn't handle
Speaker 1: it anymore. And I remember like a week later, I
Speaker 1: went home to Virginia where my mom was living at
Speaker 1: the time, and I remember I was like in the
Speaker 1: bathroom and I was like, I'd like I don't, I
Speaker 1: can't do that. I was like I can't do this anymore,
Speaker 1: Like I don't, I can't. I had this feeling, like
Speaker 1: this crazy feeling of anxiety that was like crippling, and
Speaker 1: it was like I couldn't do anything. And I was
Speaker 1: just like I I was like in the bathtub, and
Speaker 1: I remember like calling from when I was crying and
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, I can't do this.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. I like, I can't
Speaker 1: even explain the feeling. I didn't know how to articulate
Speaker 1: the words. I was like, I can't even explain what
Speaker 1: I'm feeling to you. I feel like I'm going crazy.
Speaker 1: And you know, in my family, you know, there's some
Speaker 1: people have some issues, and I was always scared of
Speaker 1: myself falling into some similar things that are in my family,
Speaker 1: that run in my family. And I just remember somebody
Speaker 1: was somebody got me to go to therapy and they
Speaker 1: and I met this guy and he's my therapist today
Speaker 1: still to this day. This was it's been my therapist
Speaker 1: for almost twenty years. And I remember like I first
Speaker 1: went there and I had like all these things. I
Speaker 1: was like, I used to like go and I'd have
Speaker 1: to like hold my head like this, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't let go on my arm because if I
Speaker 1: let go my arm, my neck's gonna fall off and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be paralyzed. Like I had like create like
Speaker 1: I was so in deep and I never thought I
Speaker 1: was going to get out. And I remember I started.
Speaker 1: I used to go six days a week, and then
Speaker 1: it was like three days a week, then it was
Speaker 1: two days, then it was one, and it was CBT,
Speaker 1: you know, cognitive behavioral therapy, and it's like kind of
Speaker 1: like a type of therapy where you use your words
Speaker 1: and it's not I was very I didn't want to
Speaker 1: do medicine and I didn't, you know, because I also
Speaker 1: had in my family there's some drug abuse and stuff
Speaker 1: and I I I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: do this with medicine. I want to figure out how
Speaker 1: to do it the right way. And at that time
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Now I'm like a workout fanatic. That's like
Speaker 1: my new meditation nice. But before that, I was like,
Speaker 1: well how do I do this? And I started, you know,
Speaker 1: my therapist recommended meditation to me, and he had this
Speaker 1: really easy way of doing it and it was so
Speaker 1: easy and it wasn't it wasn't even like anything specific.
Speaker 1: He was like just you know, he would just like
Speaker 1: it was the most basic form of meditation. I would
Speaker 1: do it with either with a spoken word thing or
Speaker 1: just like he'd be like, find the most calming music
Speaker 1: you like, and I would and he would just be like,
Speaker 1: no matter what, just every day he was like, for
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty minutes, just sit down, put a pillow
Speaker 1: on your head, try not to be too comfy where
Speaker 1: you'll fall asleep. Set a timer and just do it.
Speaker 1: And I remember doing it and at first it was impossible,
Speaker 1: when I was like in my shit, it was impossible.
Speaker 1: And then eventually I started like looking forward to that
Speaker 1: time every day and it really just helped me a lot.
Speaker 1: And then like in twenty eighteen, and then I got
Speaker 1: like it was probably like a year or so of
Speaker 1: and this was probably two thousand and nine, maybe this
Speaker 1: was happening. And then like then I like got back
Speaker 1: on track and everything was great. And then in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: I really like working out became like my new meditation
Speaker 1: like and it was just like I have to do it,
Speaker 1: and it was so funny because I went so many
Speaker 1: years without doing it. And I'm sure in your life
Speaker 1: you went years without doing meditation, and now, like what
Speaker 1: happens if you randomly mist do you ever miss one? Ever?
Speaker 1: Like just like you're.
Speaker 2: Touching up, I won't. Yeah, I don't meditate at five
Speaker 2: thirty every day, Like it's not I can't keep that
Speaker 2: up because on planes were traveling, like our lifestyles don't
Speaker 2: allow it, and so I will be meditating in the evening.
Speaker 2: I'll be like, what the quality, Well, I find that
Speaker 2: for me, the quality dip So the last week was
Speaker 2: one of those weeks I was I had like three
Speaker 2: massively late nights in a row on the weekend because
Speaker 2: of events and parties and things and things that I
Speaker 2: was going to and I couldn't wake up early, and
Speaker 2: then I still had a full day of work, and
Speaker 2: then in the evening I was catching up with it,
Speaker 2: and I found that I didn't have the time and
Speaker 2: space that I need in order to feel really aligned.
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is I can still operate.
Speaker 2: No one else will really know it's the difference, but
Speaker 2: I know it's the difference where I'm like, I feel
Speaker 2: like I have less energy today. I feel like I
Speaker 2: have less clarity today, and I feel like I'm not
Speaker 2: as aligned is the best word I can think of,
Speaker 2: as I like to be. And so it doesn't really
Speaker 2: affect anyone else, but it does affect me, and I
Speaker 2: know what level I can race to, which is what
Speaker 2: you're probably saying when you're working out, Like when you
Speaker 2: miss a day of working out, how do you feel now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you know, I thought of something when you're seah, please,
Speaker 1: so you're scene as like, you know this guy who's
Speaker 1: like mindfulness help this like isn't it, aren't you? Sometimes
Speaker 1: do you feel like I have to be so perfect
Speaker 1: all the time?
Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting you say that, Bennie. I
Speaker 2: used to think that when I started out, that that's
Speaker 2: what I had to be. And then I've let go
Speaker 2: of that pressure personally, Like I let go of that,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like I'm saying to you now, I
Speaker 2: don't wake up every day medica. Sometimes I'm meditating on planes,
Speaker 2: in ubers, on trains. Sometimes I'm doing it while I'm
Speaker 2: falling asleep. Like, I'm okay with opening up about that
Speaker 2: because to me that A, I hope, well, A, it's
Speaker 2: the truth. B I hope that that actually helps people
Speaker 2: realize that they don't have to have the perfect regime, yeah,
Speaker 2: every single day. Because I used to think that, and
Speaker 2: all I did was put more pressure on myself, like
Speaker 2: I'd stress myself out. So I'm more comfortable today saying
Speaker 2: I believe in meditation, I value mindfulness, I value all
Speaker 2: these things. But it doesn't look perfect in my life
Speaker 2: and it won't in yours either. Yeah, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: in anyone's whoever's life. We think it looks perfect in
Speaker 2: is a myth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sometimes you get upset, like if you get like
Speaker 1: you're like a guy who's like not allowed to get upset,
Speaker 1: like something happens like it's you know, I find that what.
Speaker 2: Do you know, Benny, what are you trying to say?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I find sometimes in work, like you know, when you
Speaker 1: get to the top of like your field, people are
Speaker 1: only expecting like a perfect wreck. Like like if you're like,
Speaker 1: say you're like Lebron James, Like if you don't have
Speaker 1: if you score like twenty instead of like forty in
Speaker 1: the game, they're like, oh, what's happening in Lebron?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And it's this like it's this pressure that I know
Speaker 1: exists for people, and I just wanted to know.
Speaker 2: No. No, I definitely have felt that pressure, and I
Speaker 2: think I've removed it from myself. That's what I realized
Speaker 2: that Ultimately, it was a pressure I was putting on myself.
Speaker 2: It wasn't actually from anyone else. It was me thinking
Speaker 2: whereas if I was just honest and transparent and authentic
Speaker 2: with people, then all of a sudden, the pressure is off. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I can also be a human because I am one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think I think there's so much more of
Speaker 2: a joy in embracing our imperfections and flaws and recognizing
Speaker 2: that it's even with coaching people by doing I'm sure
Speaker 2: you fill this with music, Like when you work with
Speaker 2: a artist to produce their album is like what I
Speaker 2: do with coaching clients. So coaching clients come to me
Speaker 2: and say, hey, can we solve this problem whatever else?
Speaker 2: And maybe someone's coming to you saying, hey, Bennie, can
Speaker 2: you make this album with me? And before I used
Speaker 2: to think, God, if I don't say something profound in
Speaker 2: the first hour of meeting someone, then they're not going
Speaker 2: to think I'm worthy or valuable. And I started to
Speaker 2: realize I was like that blocked me from saying something worthy.
Speaker 2: It didn't allow me to be a channel or a vessel.
Speaker 2: I was now forcing some manufactured version. And even if
Speaker 2: I did, now, I was just setting myself up for
Speaker 2: more pressure every time we met, rather than just having
Speaker 2: a flowing exchange with someone. How do you feel like
Speaker 2: when an artist comes and says, Hey, Bennie, I want
Speaker 2: you to produce my whole album. Where was the time
Speaker 2: it switched from pressure to just flow.
Speaker 1: I never had pressure because I don't care, because I
Speaker 1: treat every experience, like I'll be like this. You know,
Speaker 1: some people when you get in the studio there's something,
Speaker 1: or you're a TV set or you're on here, they're
Speaker 1: just like, Oh, we got to get it all. We
Speaker 1: have to get this done today. We have to. For me,
Speaker 1: I'm just as happy if we were to come in,
Speaker 1: Like if I came into this podcast today and you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like the equipment's not working, then I'd be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: let's just like chill, walk around your thing, because that's
Speaker 1: what was meant to happen that day. And I'm not
Speaker 1: stressing because you know what, eventually we'll get like an interviewer,
Speaker 1: Eventually we'll get a song or you know. I I'm
Speaker 1: a big like procrastinator in work, Like when someone comes over,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you like to eat? What do you want
Speaker 1: to eat? You want to eat something? All all that
Speaker 1: stuff is part of it. It's part of what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen later, you know what I'm saying. Or you like,
Speaker 1: let's say you have a client someone like you're trying
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom or the root of a problem.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to disarm them and get them to chill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's not gonna happen through anything else.
Speaker 2: What's your do you have? Do you have a setup
Speaker 2: process for every person or do you really go with
Speaker 2: the flow with each individual.
Speaker 1: This stuff got caffeine in it.
Speaker 2: It has natural caffeine from tea.
Speaker 1: I'll take a sip of it. Yeah it's green tea.
Speaker 1: Green Tea's really caffeinated, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1: You drink caffeine.
Speaker 2: I only in the tea form.
Speaker 1: Only in the tea form. Yeah, yeah, I don't only
Speaker 1: in the tea form.
Speaker 2: As in, like I drink ubble tea and I drink
Speaker 2: this tea, but I don't. That's good, thanks man, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: My wife and I put it together. So natural.
Speaker 1: Go buy his drink. How do you come up with
Speaker 1: the name?
Speaker 2: It stands for just you and I. So its a
Speaker 2: way of trying to bring people together through sharing a moment.
Speaker 2: How's caffeine hitting? Is that right?
Speaker 1: I'm taking him little little. I don't drink caffeine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, neither do I apart from tea.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't drink. I don't drink. I'm not
Speaker 1: like a caffeine person. I wake up and I'm like
Speaker 1: ready to rip me too. I wake up, I like
Speaker 1: pop out of bed, wake up early? Yeah yeah, like
Speaker 1: uh six usually six ten to six thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What gets you in the creative zone? Like you
Speaker 2: always like cook it? Let's let's talk about open wide
Speaker 2: for a second. Like creativity. I think people look at
Speaker 2: you and they think, oh, he's musically creative, but then
Speaker 2: the rest of his life must be. But no, it's
Speaker 2: like your creative and cooking your creative and music obviously
Speaker 2: to my relationships can be creative too, Like is it
Speaker 2: just something that was cooking always a passion?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like do you cook it all or no?
Speaker 2: So I'm the exact opposite cooking kitchens and cooking scares me.
Speaker 2: My wife is a plant based chef and recipe development.
Speaker 1: Really, oh my god, this is all she does? What
Speaker 1: has she always cooked?
Speaker 2: Yes? Oh my god, she's loved it since she was
Speaker 2: and she's a dietician in nutrition is what's her name?
Speaker 2: Roddy Roddy's name r A d hr Roddy and okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta see it. Yeah, I'm obsessed
Speaker 1: with all that. One of my friends, uh, the person
Speaker 1: who I wrote my book with her name is Jess.
Speaker 1: She has like a she's predominantly like a plant based chef,
Speaker 1: sure for Martha Stewart for years and she's incredible, And
Speaker 1: I I, it's funny, like my books are always crazy
Speaker 1: for I eat very healthy unless I'm being like a
Speaker 1: naughty boy.
Speaker 2: What's what's noisy? How bad?
Speaker 1: Oh? Naughty is like you wake up and there's crumbs
Speaker 1: and glaze all over you don't even know what it is.
Speaker 1: But mostly I'm I'm I'm pretty. I'm like during during
Speaker 1: the week, you know, because I lost a lot of weight.
Speaker 1: I lost like fifty pounds consciously, yes, uh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, at the beginning, I was going into
Speaker 1: a weight loss challenge because my brother gained a bunch
Speaker 1: of weight. And then when I went and we like
Speaker 1: did the DESA scan thing, I was thirty three percent
Speaker 1: body fat and I was like, am I fat? And
Speaker 1: I just didn't even I didn't even know that I
Speaker 1: was being, you know, unhealthy. And then like that's when
Speaker 1: I started working out and I got obsessed with it,
Speaker 1: and it was like I wasn't necessarily trying to lose weight,
Speaker 1: but then like once I did, I was like, whoa
Speaker 1: this is cool and I'm one of those people. Now,
Speaker 1: Like when I lost the first weight, it wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to lose weight, it was just like trying to be healthy.
Speaker 1: And then I felt like the feeling every time I
Speaker 1: went to the gym, I was like, whoa, I have
Speaker 1: no anxiety like after this and I'm not thinking about
Speaker 1: anything else except like what's happening. And that was very
Speaker 1: rare for me. So I was like, I gotta chase
Speaker 1: this feeling. And then now I like, you know, me
Speaker 1: and my friends we do like little like weight loss challenges.
Speaker 1: We're like, okay, whoever can lose the most weight and
Speaker 1: like one month or whoever can do this. I just
Speaker 1: like to I like to challenge my comfort zone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like to just like push myself in any way possible.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no I eat. I eat like I do.
Speaker 1: You eat pretty healthy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, very well.
Speaker 1: Because of her.
Speaker 2: Because of her, she'd be like before I met her
Speaker 2: was la Pizzas midnight burgus. So that's my favorite.
Speaker 1: What do you guys eating? What'd you eat today?
Speaker 2: What did I have in the morning? I had like
Speaker 2: avocado mushroom toast in the morning, And did you make
Speaker 2: it or she did no, no, no, she did.
Speaker 1: So if she's not in town, do you.
Speaker 2: Ordering I'm ordering in by I'm ordering healthy.
Speaker 1: You're ordering healthy because you're scared she might be filming, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah exactly. That's actually say. I'll say to my team,
Speaker 2: I'll be like, guys, just you know, let's order this
Speaker 2: because my wife's all right, yeah, you'll be a little
Speaker 2: not She's been a good influence on me because before
Speaker 2: I met her, I was addicted to sugar, like I
Speaker 2: was addicted to chocolates. People have that. I had a
Speaker 2: message because my mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have this. I don't have the sweet too.
Speaker 2: That's lucky, man.
Speaker 1: I'm much rather like a huge slice of bread or
Speaker 1: a taco, like I really like like one bite of
Speaker 1: a dessert like I always want. My wife does I
Speaker 1: always want one bite like at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like I always have like a date or something, or
Speaker 1: like a piece of fruit, like I love that, But
Speaker 1: like I don't like the I don't know, like occasionally
Speaker 1: like a cookie or something if it's not too sweet.
Speaker 1: I don't like really sweet things. They make my stomach hurt.
Speaker 1: Like so I like there's a few, like I like,
Speaker 1: what's that thing? When it's uh, it's like meringue Pavlova
Speaker 1: because it's not too sweet and it's like light Pavlova
Speaker 1: makes me.
Speaker 2: How did you cub your cravings? Things you love? Like
Speaker 2: when you're doing a challenge, how do you cub your crava?
Speaker 1: Just shut it off? I love I love like I
Speaker 1: love a challenge, just any challenge. If someone's like, I
Speaker 1: bet you can't walk twenty five miles right now, I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: I can, and I'll do it, like I just love
Speaker 1: I love that feeling of doing something. And they do
Speaker 1: it with my friends. I work out with my friend.
Speaker 1: If I didn't have a trainer, I only pay. The
Speaker 1: only reason I see a trainer is because I'm so
Speaker 1: crazy that I was would be like, oh, I can't
Speaker 1: waste the money, like so I gotta go. But if
Speaker 1: I if it was just up to me, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to do it. It's just that someone's you know, or
Speaker 1: my friends are like, let's go to the gym. We
Speaker 1: gotta go together, and we work out together, and I like,
Speaker 1: you know, coming back to food. I like anything. I
Speaker 1: love community. I love hosting. I love, like there's there's
Speaker 1: nothing better to me than like creating like an experience
Speaker 1: for people. I don't care what the medium is, Like
Speaker 1: creating some experience where like when someone leaves, they're just
Speaker 1: like whoa, and they're telling all their friends and like
Speaker 1: for me, it's it's just like you're you know, this
Speaker 1: is like uh, looking to give someone an orgasm face
Speaker 1: at all times, like every moment like it, because that's
Speaker 1: what it is. It's when you when someone tastes your food,
Speaker 1: they just like open their mouth and they put in
Speaker 1: You just want them to be like like you just
Speaker 1: want that feeling that when someone plays a song, you
Speaker 1: want them to be like, oh my god, that thing
Speaker 1: is crazy. You know, like after you like change someone's
Speaker 1: life and they can do a meditation where they can
Speaker 1: like put their leg behind their head, they're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank you, you brought me to a higher sense of being.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's that's what we're looking for, yes, And
Speaker 1: and I'm always looking to make my friends happy. I'm
Speaker 1: always you know, if someone comes to my house and
Speaker 1: they have like, you know, a hamburger and they're like,
Speaker 1: I love this. This is my favorite hamburger. I know that,
Speaker 1: so then I'm thinking, like the next time they come to, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to like make sure they have that for them.
Speaker 1: And you know, my grandma when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: one of my grandma's she you know, she she was
Speaker 1: not wealthy by any means. She grew up in it,
Speaker 1: like you know. She her place was in Section eight
Speaker 1: housing and we would go visit her, and she had
Speaker 1: a lot of grandkids. And if we went over there
Speaker 1: and one time we like had a junie and we
Speaker 1: were like, we love this. It would be there every
Speaker 1: time they ever went. And she had so many grandkids,
Speaker 1: so everyone had every single thing, and she would she would,
Speaker 1: you know, she wouldn't eat for the week to make
Speaker 1: sure that like everyone had their things, and because it
Speaker 1: made her so happy the joy she would have when
Speaker 1: everyone was coming in and all the things were there.
Speaker 1: We'd be like, oh, she has this. And and that's
Speaker 1: what I like to do. And I love to create,
Speaker 1: like whether it's like the perfect napkin, the perfect like meal,
Speaker 1: the perfect music playing at the same time, like you know,
Speaker 1: And that's what I did with this book. I was
Speaker 1: like trying to teach people how to have like the
Speaker 1: perfect dinner party. That's because I was like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: know some people, they might not know what to do,
Speaker 1: Like you're nervous in the kitchen. This book is gonna
Speaker 1: make it so like surefire away. You want something easy
Speaker 1: that looks good, great, you want to have a dinner party,
Speaker 1: Like do you know what type of wine to serve?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you want to smoke weed with
Speaker 1: your people? Does weed make you anxious? Who knows? Is
Speaker 1: it midnight and you want everyone to leave because you
Speaker 1: got to wake up at five point thirty the next day,
Speaker 1: but you still want them to love you. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: teach you how to kick them out, you know. And
Speaker 1: it's just like I love that. It's that whole thing.
Speaker 1: And it's just like that moment of just like getting
Speaker 1: a bunch of people together. And I love getting to
Speaker 1: people together that don't necessarily go together. And it's like
Speaker 1: someone is like a musician and they're sitting next to
Speaker 1: a man who wrote a book. And I mean one
Speaker 1: time we were at my house and I remember I
Speaker 1: was my mother was sitting here, and Sissa was sitting here,
Speaker 1: and a man on the other side actually makes rocket
Speaker 1: chips that go to space. And to me, it was
Speaker 1: just so cool to see them all talking and not
Speaker 1: caring about, you know, what was going on, and there
Speaker 1: was no egos and there was everyone's just having a
Speaker 1: good time. And food is like the best social lubricant
Speaker 1: in the world because it's like you can immediately talk
Speaker 1: about something you're like, oh, you like food. It's just
Speaker 1: like the automatic conversation starter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, next time you come over, we're gonna have
Speaker 2: to do food for sure. Because yeah, that's it's a
Speaker 2: big love language for my wife. She loves she always
Speaker 2: that's her love language. I want to cook, she wants
Speaker 2: to Yeah, you guys would have you guys would have
Speaker 2: a blush. She loves cooking and creating recipes. And also
Speaker 2: same with you create community. And it's actually funny to
Speaker 2: say that. I'm trying to think of a book that
Speaker 2: you just reminded me of that was based on a
Speaker 2: restaurant that did that and they recently converted it. It became
Speaker 2: a eleven Madison Park in New York, and it was
Speaker 2: a restaurant that tried to give that level of care
Speaker 2: and that you feel in a home. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: open wide your book. I loved I love that it's
Speaker 2: not just a cookbook. I love that. It's it's to
Speaker 2: build community and had all of that, because I think
Speaker 2: that's what people miss out on, right. We think that
Speaker 2: hosting is about all the fancy stuff, and it's like,
Speaker 2: it isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's not about any of that the food. You know.
Speaker 1: My godfather always said this thing. He would always say,
Speaker 1: you know, and when I was a kid, I never
Speaker 1: even understood it, but I so understand it now. He
Speaker 1: always used to say, we'd always figure out where we
Speaker 1: were going to dinner, and he goes, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: it's about the rap and now, and and we were like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean. He's like, it's just about the rap.
Speaker 1: He's like, the only thing, it's just to get everyone together.
Speaker 1: If the food's great, that's awesome. But it's about hanging
Speaker 1: with your friends, laughing till you cry, you know, falling
Speaker 1: in love with someone, fall you know. I've I've had
Speaker 1: the opportunity to have dinners where like so many things
Speaker 1: have happened to people. You know, someone's found the person
Speaker 1: they date, somebody's you know, started a company, somebody's laughed
Speaker 1: so hard they cry, you know, and it's that's that's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do. And I love you. Do
Speaker 1: you ever you have dinners with people and.
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite things as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my favorite thing to do. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go out to a night club. No, I want
Speaker 1: to like sit at home with my friends till two
Speaker 1: in the morning. Well, for you, you can't do that.
Speaker 2: I can do that. I can do that.
Speaker 1: Now what happens? What happens if you stay up late?
Speaker 1: Do you just sell? But you can bust?
Speaker 2: No, man, I can stand when you choose not to
Speaker 2: always do it because I love sleep.
Speaker 1: Okay, when you were out uh late this week? And
Speaker 1: what time? What time were you out?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably probably get in the bedroom one or two?
Speaker 1: Okay? And you and you then what time do you
Speaker 1: sleep till? Oh?
Speaker 2: No, that the problem was I was still waking up
Speaker 2: because my buddy cloaks. So why that I was wake
Speaker 2: up at the same time.
Speaker 1: No matter what I wake up at, like six in
Speaker 1: the morning, that's what matter. When I go to bed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't go to bed as early as you though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like if in my dream world, I go to
Speaker 1: bed at like eleven thirty twelve, and then I wake
Speaker 1: up at in real world six, six thirty and then
Speaker 1: on the weekends. I really don't sleep a lot, but
Speaker 1: I don't need a ton of sleep. But I know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're going to say that's terrible.
Speaker 2: For no, not to man, I'm not going to say
Speaker 2: anything terrible.
Speaker 1: Its for your works, but you should I should be
Speaker 1: getting more sleep, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, scientists say seven to nine hours a day.
Speaker 1: What else do scientists exactly?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's I mean, that's what I'm said.
Speaker 2: I but yeah, my whole I need a I know
Speaker 2: I need a and I can survive on I can
Speaker 2: do fine. Then six, well, five I love, like six
Speaker 2: and a half is my life is a sweet one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, chef's kiss. Anything over seven I feel strain.
Speaker 2: That's good though, but then don't follow it seven, like,
Speaker 2: don't push it. I think that's a big part of
Speaker 2: it too. Right, So my wife talks a lot about this,
Speaker 2: this idea of being able to listen to your body,
Speaker 2: and I feel like so many of us are like, God,
Speaker 2: I gotta wake up at five thirty now because Jay
Speaker 2: said he wakes up at five thirty, Or I gotta
Speaker 2: wake up at four because Elon Musk wakes up at
Speaker 2: four or you know, Benny said he wakes up at
Speaker 2: six tens. You know, so whatever it is. And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: creativity is not based on those things. That's just what
Speaker 2: works for your body and your mind is what works
Speaker 2: for my body on my mind. So I think, you know,
Speaker 2: but you seem to have a lot of like not
Speaker 2: just community, but you seem to have like a lot
Speaker 2: of the same people around you, loyal friends like that
Speaker 2: seemed to be a big part of your How have
Speaker 2: you continue to be able to build that as you
Speaker 2: grow and make it? It sounds like all your friends love
Speaker 2: challenges and growth, because a lot of people who are
Speaker 2: listening sometimes feel their friends are not wanting to grow,
Speaker 2: They're not wanting to try new things.
Speaker 1: But it's so fun you do it. Some people have
Speaker 1: pushed to that, and some people have pushed me in
Speaker 1: other ways, and like that's the that's that's what it's
Speaker 1: all about, you know. To me, I've just had some
Speaker 1: of my friends for so long because it's hard to
Speaker 1: find people that are on your and I think it's
Speaker 1: harder and harder as you get older. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of my friends, most of my friends I knew
Speaker 1: since I was young, and then I have like, you know,
Speaker 1: like a new friend for me is like five years.
Speaker 1: Like I'd be like, I'd be like, whoa, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is like one of my new friends. Like most of
Speaker 1: my friends are eight, ten, twenty. Yeah. Do they live
Speaker 1: in the city too or all different places? Some of
Speaker 1: my friends are like some of my friends have very
Speaker 1: regular jobs, and and you know, some of them I
Speaker 1: only get to see once or twice a year in
Speaker 1: person because of their job. You know, my friend was
Speaker 1: just out here. He comes every year for you know,
Speaker 1: like a month and a half towards the end of
Speaker 1: the year because he's a therapist and he works, you know,
Speaker 1: in Virginia and he can't really travel that much. So
Speaker 1: then we get to see each other then. And then
Speaker 1: you know, my other friend, his wife is becoming a
Speaker 1: doctor and they've had to have residencies and all these
Speaker 1: other places, and he works for like Capital one or something,
Speaker 1: and he we don't get to see each other in
Speaker 1: person very often, but when we do, it's like we
Speaker 1: saw each other yesterday, you know, and we talk all
Speaker 1: the time. And then some of my friends are in
Speaker 1: the same world as me, so they get it. Some
Speaker 1: of them are in entertainment, and I just love bringing
Speaker 1: My friend group is very eclectic, Like it's like all
Speaker 1: different types of people, and I love putting people that
Speaker 1: wondn't normally be in a room together in a room
Speaker 1: to see what happen.
Speaker 2: What's the randomness too? Is it the person building walkeet
Speaker 2: ships and then your mom and then Sissy.
Speaker 1: It's just like people, you know. It's very common for
Speaker 1: me to go out to dinner and have like one
Speaker 1: person be twenty two and then the next person be
Speaker 1: like seventy, and that's not and having it not be
Speaker 1: someone's mom or dad, like having it just be someone
Speaker 1: that's my friends, you know. And because I've met so many,
Speaker 1: I'm very interested in people and I love I love
Speaker 1: meeting creative people, whether that means they're creative professionally, whether
Speaker 1: creative in their mind, whether they you know. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just love I love that feeling of getting into a
Speaker 1: conversation with someone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also think multi generational friendships are so powerful,
Speaker 2: Like I was talking to someone about that, Like me
Speaker 2: and my wife have a couple friend of us and
Speaker 2: they're in their late sixties and they're some of our
Speaker 2: favorite people that hang out with like, I feel like
Speaker 2: I learned so much, I grow so much again, so
Speaker 2: much perspective. They've lived thirty years more life than I have.
Speaker 2: And I think that's it's so interesting how we may
Speaker 2: spend time without parents, but we're not necessarily having friends
Speaker 2: that are in a different decade of their life. But
Speaker 2: how powerful it can be to be with someone.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't even know their parents like that,
Speaker 1: Like even if you're like close with your parents, like like,
Speaker 1: how close are you with your mom?
Speaker 2: I'm pretty close to them, okay.
Speaker 1: But like you don't know, there's so many things you
Speaker 1: don't know about her, Like you don't know like how
Speaker 1: she felt the first time she got her heart broken.
Speaker 1: You don't know, like if she ever cheated on someone,
Speaker 1: like you don't like Sometimes I for me, I'll sit
Speaker 1: my mom down and I just ask her, Like every
Speaker 1: I'm like, what drugs have you taken? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: how did it make you feel? Because my parents got divorced,
Speaker 1: I was like, how did you know you wanted to
Speaker 1: get divorced? What did you feel? And I always I
Speaker 1: try to do that because one of my friends started
Speaker 1: recording his dad when his dad got sick and he
Speaker 1: asked him every question you ever wanted to ask him,
Speaker 1: because it is so crazy you're so close to this
Speaker 1: person that you really don't know, like you really like,
Speaker 1: we really don't even know our parents that well because
Speaker 1: you don't, you don't ask them those type of things
Speaker 1: and no one does. Like, And it's also that time
Speaker 1: where I remember, like your parent's gospel is just like
Speaker 1: the end all be all when you're a kid, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you're like fifteen or sixteen,
Speaker 1: you're like, wait, you're just a human. That was a
Speaker 1: mess up on you. You just lied, like I caught
Speaker 1: you in that lie. But like until you're like fifteen
Speaker 1: or sixteen or something, you can't even fathom that, and
Speaker 1: then like you realize it's cool. I'm so thankful that
Speaker 1: I get to, like, you know, talk to my parents
Speaker 1: and my family now like as an adult and be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what were you feeling like like when you went through this,
Speaker 1: and like how did you raise us like that? And
Speaker 1: is it so hard to do this? And it's cool?
Speaker 1: I like that feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did something similar a few years ago. I
Speaker 2: felt that way with the podcast, where I was like
Speaker 2: learning about people I'd never met and so we were
Speaker 2: celebrating my sister's thirtieth birptist. Who's me, my mom and
Speaker 2: my sister, my younger sister, and I just started interviewing
Speaker 2: my mom at dinner and there was no we didn't
Speaker 2: record it. It was just us three and I learned
Speaker 2: so much. So my mom was studying for her exams
Speaker 2: while because she was born and raised in Yemen, while
Speaker 2: there were Yemeny soldiers fighting British soldiers on her roof,
Speaker 2: like you know, and I was like, I had no idea,
Speaker 2: and she just casually drops that as if it's like no,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Mom, you've realized that's not normal.
Speaker 1: You should interview your mind.
Speaker 2: You need to end everything about it. It's been it's
Speaker 2: been on my mind.
Speaker 1: Interviewing your family is so crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're right, and I think everyone I would
Speaker 2: love to do it because I want everyone to do it.
Speaker 2: My wife was my first have a guest on the show.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, yeah, because that was a big part of
Speaker 2: it for me. It was like, I feel like, you're
Speaker 2: so right. We don't really deeply know our family. We
Speaker 2: think we know them, Yeah, we think we know them.
Speaker 2: We assume that we know them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to do this thing on my uh well,
Speaker 1: I still do it on all of my albums, where
Speaker 1: like the last song on my album has like a
Speaker 1: spoken word section of it's like over instrumental of each
Speaker 1: person in my family and so far. I did my
Speaker 1: mom and my dad and I asked them all these questions,
Speaker 1: and it's crazy to know because I basically I asked
Speaker 1: them questions for like an hour and then I take
Speaker 1: like the best like thirty seconds, and it was both
Speaker 1: my parents wound up talking the most about like their divorce,
Speaker 1: and it was like so interesting to see both sides
Speaker 1: of it because I have now forever in time, I
Speaker 1: have my mom's version and my dad's version. And then
Speaker 1: like I just you know, I'm putting out a new
Speaker 1: album and I interviewed my brother for his version of
Speaker 1: it now and it's.
Speaker 2: Like that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. It's fun, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's emotional, and it's like, whoa, it's cool to hear
Speaker 1: both sides of everyone's side of an event.
Speaker 2: What did you? Yeah, I think you're so right, because yeah,
Speaker 2: we often think there's only one truth in one story
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden there's three, And what
Speaker 2: was the biggest thing you learned from hearing your mom
Speaker 2: and dad's version of divorce? Like, what was something that
Speaker 2: surprised you something you were like, wow, I did not
Speaker 2: recognize that when I was growing up.
Speaker 1: I think that it made them both better people to
Speaker 1: get out of the relationship. And I think like, at
Speaker 1: first it seemed like my parents were not fans of
Speaker 1: each other. At first it was like crazy, but now
Speaker 1: they're friends. I mean they haven't been married for you know,
Speaker 1: twenty something years, but but yeah, now we all like
Speaker 1: go to dinner together and like go on vacation. But
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't always that way, and it's it's
Speaker 1: cool to see like where it started to where it
Speaker 1: is now. And I do think like me and my
Speaker 1: brother like we're a big like our success was like
Speaker 1: a big catalyst on getting like everyone together because it
Speaker 1: forced us to get together. And then no, it's cool.
Speaker 1: I don't know, yo, life is so crazy, like the
Speaker 1: way you know, the way you meet people and the
Speaker 1: way people come in and out of your life. And
Speaker 1: someone you may not even like really know, could become
Speaker 1: like your wife or someone like that's like you despise
Speaker 1: could become your best friend, and it's just it's very
Speaker 1: interesting how how life plays out. And I find that
Speaker 1: more and more as I get older. And my mom
Speaker 1: always used to be like, should be like, you know,
Speaker 1: when you get older, you're gonna and I used to
Speaker 1: be like, what are you taught? But it's so true,
Speaker 1: just like over and over again, I'm learning something new
Speaker 1: every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's so true, man, Benny. I could talk
Speaker 2: to you for hours, genuinely, like we could go on
Speaker 2: and on and on, but I wanted to make sure
Speaker 2: is there anything that we haven't talked about before we
Speaker 2: go to the final five, which is the way we
Speaker 2: end in the interviews. Is anything we haven't talked about
Speaker 2: that you've really wanted to touch on that's on your
Speaker 2: heart or mind or something.
Speaker 1: That what's your five thing? What's that you that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can do that.
Speaker 1: We'll start with that.
Speaker 2: It's a final five that we end every interview with
Speaker 2: of all time, and that same questions. It's the same, well,
Speaker 2: same four questions. One of them I usually play with,
Speaker 2: same three or four questions and one of them I
Speaker 2: usually play with for the person, and uh, these are
Speaker 2: your final five. They have to be answered in one
Speaker 2: word to one sentence maximum Oh my god. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then I may ask you to go on because I
Speaker 2: usually break my rule. But okay, here we go, all right,
Speaker 2: Benny Balcot, these are your final five. So the first
Speaker 2: question is what is the best advice you've ever heard
Speaker 2: or received?
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to fail?
Speaker 2: Who told you and how have you practiced it?
Speaker 1: I can't remember who told me, but someone did tell you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It wasn't something that no, no, no, somebody told me it.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you this. I always say this
Speaker 1: this summer because people come up to me all the
Speaker 1: time and they're just like, oh man, you don't miss
Speaker 1: you did this, you did that. And I'll talk to someone.
Speaker 1: You know. One of my friends was going through a
Speaker 1: hard time recently. It was like his first failures, and
Speaker 1: I remember talking to him and I said, I said,
Speaker 1: you don't think I've failed a million times. I said,
Speaker 1: you look at someone like Michael Jordan. Okay, he's taking
Speaker 1: like so many shots, He's missed so many shots. Do
Speaker 1: you remember any of those? No, you remember him swishing
Speaker 1: it and walking back with his tongue out. Nobody's sitting
Speaker 1: there being like, uh, jay, I saw that you know
Speaker 1: back in like two zousand and eight that rap career
Speaker 1: didn't really work out for you. No, they're like, Jay, Wow,
Speaker 1: every get you got Michelle Obama on you. So I
Speaker 1: always tell people like, it doesn't it doesn't matter, don't
Speaker 1: be afraid to fail. Nobody's even gonna remember it. There's
Speaker 1: only and if someone's literally tallying your failures, they're psycho.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I said, yeah, No one remembers the missing. No,
Speaker 2: no one remembers the missing. If you keep going, yeah,
Speaker 2: if you stop at the miss, but you gotta keep going,
Speaker 2: you gotta keep going. A question on the two, what
Speaker 2: is the worst advice you've ever had or received.
Speaker 1: I was going around playing my music for people, and
Speaker 1: I had just switched my style up because I used
Speaker 1: to make I like, originally made music that sounded like
Speaker 1: I was copying Timbaland, sounded like I was copying Pharrell,
Speaker 1: sounded like I was trying to be someone else. And
Speaker 1: I remember I had just made music that didn't sound
Speaker 1: like anything. It sounded so weird, it was so different.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like what was going on. I remember I
Speaker 1: went into a meeting and someone's like, nobody makes music
Speaker 1: like this. They're like you gotta you gotta fit in more,
Speaker 1: like and that just like made me go the opposite way.
Speaker 1: Then I was like, now I know I gotta do
Speaker 1: the crazy stuff because at least I just want someone
Speaker 1: when I used to go in and play music for
Speaker 1: them to be like, I've never heard anything like this,
Speaker 1: Like this is so weird. This is not gonna work,
Speaker 1: because that's when everyone likes something. Usually that means it's
Speaker 1: not gonna work. You know, when when some people are
Speaker 1: unsure about something, that's when it's usually gonna work. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, someone told me to fit in more
Speaker 1: and I didn't really vibe with that.
Speaker 2: That's that's a great answer. I think it's so interesting.
Speaker 2: When you're young, everyone tells you to fit in, and
Speaker 2: when you get older, everyone says stand out. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 2: well wait a minute, I have to wear uniform coming
Speaker 2: on time, and now all of a sudden, I've got
Speaker 2: to find who I am. Yeah, and it's such your
Speaker 2: contradiction of course. Yeah, that's great. On two, all right,
Speaker 2: Question number three, what's something that you used to value
Speaker 2: that you no longer value success?
Speaker 1: Are you to really care about getting that number one song?
Speaker 1: Getting that thing and I feel like I I feel
Speaker 1: like I did everything I wanted to do, and now
Speaker 1: I feel like everything's like the cherry on top of
Speaker 1: the Sunday now. So I'm just having so much fun
Speaker 1: trying new things, and of course I want them to
Speaker 1: be successful and stuff, but like I don't have I
Speaker 1: and I do still like work and have a drive
Speaker 1: and want to do it, but I want to do
Speaker 1: it more for me and less for like other people.
Speaker 1: I used to want to do it because I was
Speaker 1: like I have to be number one, I have to
Speaker 1: be the best in the world. I have to be this.
Speaker 1: And now I just get to wake up and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I already did the things I want to do, So
Speaker 1: like I want to make a cookbook, I want to
Speaker 1: do it. I want to do this, and I like
Speaker 1: really want it to be the best and I want
Speaker 1: it to be awesome. But it's something that I want
Speaker 1: to do and I'm putting like that pressure on myself.
Speaker 1: It's not like for other people anymore, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I don't know, it's I and I always had
Speaker 1: a strange feeling with success too. I was always like
Speaker 1: kind of like ashamed of it for some reason or
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, I don't, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: deserve that. I'm probably gonna get like cancer now because
Speaker 1: like I did because I did well, So like I
Speaker 1: don't deserve this, and like somebody else, somebody else deserves
Speaker 1: this more, And.
Speaker 2: Like how did you overcome that doubt? Because I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people feel that way. People are coming
Speaker 2: to money, fame, even a bit of success and we
Speaker 2: start going out, crap, this wasn't meant to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still I still it's still there for me
Speaker 1: that that part. I still have that feeling a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit of the imposter syndrome. But it's so
Speaker 1: funny because I'm so confident at the same time. But
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I do have that feeling where I'm
Speaker 1: just like, ah, like why do I deserve this? Like
Speaker 1: what did I do? And like there's so many more
Speaker 1: people who are more talented, and I'll like start questioning
Speaker 1: stuff like that in my head. Yeah, and you're still
Speaker 1: working for Yeah, every day we're working through everything, and
Speaker 1: the success thing, like it's not fully let go, but
Speaker 1: it's like it's something that like I catch myself more
Speaker 1: and more like just really wanting to do the things
Speaker 1: because like it's not a competition always anymore, and it
Speaker 1: used to be like such a competition with me in
Speaker 1: my head with that, and I try to find like
Speaker 1: other things that are competitions, and like competitions like that
Speaker 1: are like friendly and there's not like a huge thing
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel for it beautiful.
Speaker 2: Question number four. What's something that you think you learn
Speaker 2: from your parents' relationship that affects your relationships moving forwards,
Speaker 2: Like something that you'll take as a lesson on what
Speaker 2: to do or what not to do.
Speaker 1: I don't think my parents listen to each other. And
Speaker 1: I think all relationships, whether it's romantic, business friendships, you
Speaker 1: just have to listen to each other. It's like the
Speaker 1: easiest thing in the world just be a listener and
Speaker 1: it's okay to be wrong. And I like that's that's
Speaker 1: also another thing that like I've really come to terms with.
Speaker 1: Like it's like I always would find myself like wanting
Speaker 1: to be right about the thing, wanting to be this,
Speaker 1: and it almost makes you look better if you're like,
Speaker 1: you know what I was, I was wrong and stop
Speaker 1: trying to like defend a thing to the end that
Speaker 1: you know you're wrong about so it's like I was wrong,
Speaker 1: I was wrong, and then like everyone's happy if you
Speaker 1: just say if you're like I was wrong, I messed up.
Speaker 1: I messed up instead of like trying, it's like putting
Speaker 1: shame around being wrong, and it's okay to be wrong,
Speaker 1: Like it's okay to fuck up sometimes, Like you know.
Speaker 2: That's great, listen and it's okay to be wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay to be wrong.
Speaker 2: Fifth and final question Bennybelss to every guest who's ever
Speaker 2: been on the show. If you could create one lure
Speaker 2: that everyone in the world had to follow, what would
Speaker 2: it be?
Speaker 1: You know, I just I wish there was a world
Speaker 1: where just everyone could find a way to just like
Speaker 1: fit in and just like not be It's okay to
Speaker 1: get upset sometimes. I just wish people could talk things
Speaker 1: out and find a way to like love each other
Speaker 1: and find I don't know, find a way to like
Speaker 1: live together. You know, it just like killed me, Like anytime.
Speaker 1: It's so hard for me to ever watch any of
Speaker 1: the news and it's just like, oh, I'm like it
Speaker 1: just like crushes me watching people fight and people like violence,
Speaker 1: and it's like crazy, like I don't understand. I just
Speaker 1: like don't even unders I don't know people, you know,
Speaker 1: to like for someone to do something so bad, to
Speaker 1: like an innocent person, Like anytime I see things like that,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand. And I, you know, I in
Speaker 1: my ideal world, there's I don't even know if it's
Speaker 1: a law. I don't know. People just be nice to
Speaker 1: each other and just be like caring and consider it
Speaker 1: and understand that it's okay to not be the same
Speaker 1: as somebody else, and it's okay to not have the
Speaker 1: exact same opinion as somebody else, but you guys can
Speaker 1: coexist and live and just like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: like I always have these like idealistic thoughts in my
Speaker 1: head and it's very hard to create those because we're
Speaker 1: so far gone as a planet. You know, there's like
Speaker 1: so much greed and there's so much I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've always been like just like happy, whether it was
Speaker 1: like I had a lot of money or no money.
Speaker 1: And I've always found that when me and my friends
Speaker 1: listen to each other and work together and talk things out,
Speaker 1: like every like nothing can go wrong, and if it
Speaker 1: can go if it does go wrong, then you talk
Speaker 1: about it and you make it better. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what's the best law. You heard someone say.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people share the sentiment that you're saying, like, I think
Speaker 2: a lot of us feel like that, like we want
Speaker 2: to live in a more just, happier, loving kind of world.
Speaker 2: I think two that stand out to me. Daniel Caluia
Speaker 2: came on, He's the guy. Yeah, yeah, So Daniel came
Speaker 2: on and he said that for everyone that you judged
Speaker 2: or criticized, the law would be that you'd have to
Speaker 2: then whoever you judge and criticize, you'd have to go
Speaker 2: live as them for a day or a year or
Speaker 2: something like that. I likes something it was like it
Speaker 2: was like a fixed thing. And then Trevor Noah had one.
Speaker 2: His one was there'd be a rule that every day
Speaker 2: someone's bank balance in the planet could go to zero.
Speaker 2: So it could be you, your friend, your family, And
Speaker 2: how differently you'd behave with people knowing that that could
Speaker 2: be you one day, it could be your mom, it
Speaker 2: could be your dad, it could be your friend, And
Speaker 2: that way you'd be more conscious of what it would
Speaker 2: feel like to be around people who don't have a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I changed mine free weed foreveryone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's not that's not a new one. No,
Speaker 1: that's great.
Speaker 2: Is weed and unlock your creativity? Does it make you anxious?
Speaker 2: As you were mentioning for other people earlier?
Speaker 1: I love smoking? Yeah? You are you allowed to know?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You don't do it that.
Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to.
Speaker 1: You don't do anything. You ever have a sip of alcohol? No,
Speaker 1: not anymore. When do you cuar? When you were a monk?
Speaker 2: Fifteen years ago? Yeah, fifteen sixty years what?
Speaker 1: What? What's your what do you do? What's your wild thing?
Speaker 2: My wild thing is I know, No, I'm just kidding, No,
Speaker 2: what is it? I'm a super I guess my wildness coming.
Speaker 2: I'm super competitive. So if I'm playing a sport that
Speaker 2: I'm good at.
Speaker 1: No, give me. I'm like, what's your vice?
Speaker 2: My vice is sugar, man, It's like it's taking a
Speaker 2: sugar Yeah. Literally, yeah, my advice is sugar. My vice
Speaker 2: is I like to work hard my vices.
Speaker 1: So, but you don't have anything, so you don't.
Speaker 2: No, it's not that I don't have anything. I've worked
Speaker 2: on it hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, drinking, no weed, no psychedelics, no, no, i'd
Speaker 1: be I saw your eye.
Speaker 2: I'm always open to exploring anything that would. I mean,
Speaker 2: we was something that I did a lot on my teams,
Speaker 2: so it's not something I've never done.
Speaker 1: I want to know the team, the team you was why?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the team was wild. I think that's what it
Speaker 2: is like growing up in London too, Like you start
Speaker 2: drinking very early, you start playing around with drugs and
Speaker 2: stuff very early, and so we just had access to
Speaker 2: a lot of things. So I feel like it's not
Speaker 2: that I don't It's that I've done a lot in
Speaker 2: my teens, and so it's not that I have a
Speaker 2: again and I have nothing against it. I think I'm
Speaker 2: always open to things that have medicinal or healing benefits.
Speaker 2: So I've always been opened. A lot of my clients
Speaker 2: will do MDA, do eboga, do ioas, and so I'm
Speaker 2: very familiar with these things, and I'm always working alongside
Speaker 2: clinical neuroscientists that I take advice from for my clients
Speaker 2: and clients own explorations. So I'm very aware and like
Speaker 2: to be educated more and get more experience. But I
Speaker 2: would do it if I felt there was healing that
Speaker 2: that could reward me with for sure. I'm very open
Speaker 2: at anything that has healing powers. You take any supplements,
Speaker 2: I take a lot of. I take twenty settlements a day.
Speaker 1: All right, let's tell you about Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm taking I'll show you my drawer later. It's
Speaker 2: likely two twenty tablets today. But it's like B twelve, magnesium,
Speaker 2: d C K, probiotics, gut supplements, creatine like a mill.
Speaker 2: You take them because I really do feel a difference.
Speaker 2: I find you say, creatine, that's like from the eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it works. Like so what's really interesting is that
Speaker 2: I work with We've had the doctor that I work
Speaker 2: with on the show. His name is doctor Shark. He
Speaker 2: runs Next Health, Okay, and Next Health basically will do
Speaker 2: the deepest blood tests and give you like.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you do that thing where you have like
Speaker 1: a bowl of pills. You gotta takes like a pack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get all your biomarkers, so you get everything. And
Speaker 1: what I found is that different body types can't digest
Speaker 1: certain things, Like my body can't get the nutrients from
Speaker 1: certain things, so I have to eat different proteins. I'm
Speaker 1: also plant based, so the supplements provide me with all
Speaker 1: the missing nutrients. So were you feeling bad before you
Speaker 1: did this?
Speaker 2: I was feeling when I wasn't taking all the supplements.
Speaker 2: I was feeling more tired, more easily. And I was like,
Speaker 2: why am I tired? Because I work out, I sleep
Speaker 2: well and meditate, Like, why am I tired?
Speaker 1: What type of tired?
Speaker 2: Just like a feeling of like lethargy or fatigue at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, but like a tired that
Speaker 2: I didn't like. And I realized that so vitamin D
Speaker 2: is meant to be at sixty is safe, one hundred
Speaker 2: is ideal. I was at ten and if and people
Speaker 2: always say, well, you live in La you get enough
Speaker 2: vitamin D. It's not true, like you've got to be
Speaker 2: out in the sun naked, like for four hours a
Speaker 2: day to get enough vitamin D, especially with my color
Speaker 2: of skin. And so for me today, vitamin D is
Speaker 2: non negotiable and for most people alone vitamin D and
Speaker 2: so my doctors my nutrition was saying, Jay, you'r vitamin
Speaker 2: D levels means you should be depressed. I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't feel depressed. I'm just tired. And she was
Speaker 2: just like, well, you know, if you change that will
Speaker 2: make a massive difference. And it did. And so I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people a lot of the times
Speaker 2: we think we're struggling mentally, but a lot of it's
Speaker 2: chemical and biological and physical. What you're saying with working
Speaker 2: out right, Like it's a physical shift that's in your mindset.
Speaker 2: And we can get in our head and get oh God,
Speaker 2: why am I tired? To something wrong with me? Like
Speaker 2: maybe I'm stressed And it can be that. Yeah, of
Speaker 2: course it can be that, But sometimes it's chemical and physical.
Speaker 1: So you take twenty supplements.
Speaker 2: I'll show you. Yeah, I'll show you my little pill draw.
Speaker 1: Do you do any other things?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, that's do you drink any other tinctures through the
Speaker 1: day that you have to do?
Speaker 2: No? No, Well, creating is I have to mix it in?
Speaker 1: And then why do they have you do creatine?
Speaker 2: That's for me to digest a particular nutrient for my
Speaker 2: digestion to be good.
Speaker 1: Also take oh do you have trouble? You have bad stomach?
Speaker 2: Not a bad stomach. I think that when I went
Speaker 2: completely plant based, which I always tell people if they're
Speaker 2: making that transition, I always tell people to do it slowly.
Speaker 2: I kind of did it overnight. When eight years ago,
Speaker 2: when I married my wife, I was vegetarian, but I
Speaker 2: became plant based as soon as I married her, and
Speaker 2: I think that my gut reacted poorly to that quick transition.
Speaker 2: And so whenever anyone's talking about being plant based or
Speaker 2: eating healthare, I'm almost like, do it slowly, because your
Speaker 2: body is just used to a habit, whether it's good
Speaker 2: or bad. And now I feel great. But it was
Speaker 2: a transitionary period for sure. So I do that, and
Speaker 2: then I do I have vinegar before meals because that
Speaker 2: regulates the acid internally, So that's like mix shot of
Speaker 2: vinegar with diluted in water.
Speaker 1: Do you take like a lot of protein a day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I take a lot of protein, but a lot
Speaker 2: of protein meals, but like natural natural forms of as
Speaker 2: much as I.
Speaker 1: Can, Well, what's your natural protein?
Speaker 2: Well, like I'm doing a lot of lentils and dolls
Speaker 2: like the Indian. The Indian diet generally leads well to
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. And then I will do things
Speaker 2: like tofu, which of course you know, and then not
Speaker 2: so natural, not so natural forms of protein as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll found I found these amazing bagels that are protein
Speaker 2: filled they're amazing. So things like that just to just
Speaker 2: to stuck up. But I found that eating protein every
Speaker 2: day has made a big difference the amount of protein
Speaker 2: that we don't have in our dieties. And I'm not
Speaker 2: a pro at this. We've had doctors who come on
Speaker 2: the show and yeah.
Speaker 1: People, yeah, you're supposed to eat a gram of protein
Speaker 1: per a pound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you realize you're like nowhere close, Like even
Speaker 2: if you're eing meat. It's hard. Yeah, And so what
Speaker 2: to speak of anyone who's plant based, Bennie, This has
Speaker 2: been a joy and honor. I hope you do a
Speaker 2: part two. I hope there's dinners. I hope there's so
Speaker 2: much more in the works with this relationship. I appreciate
Speaker 2: you man, Thank you so much. Like you took us
Speaker 2: on a whole journey today and I felt like we
Speaker 2: got to peek into your mind, which is always my
Speaker 2: favorite thing to do. I want everyone to know Open
Speaker 2: Wide is available right now, so make sure you go
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Speaker 2: for showing up for on purpose today is so grateful
Speaker 2: and deeply appreciated.
Speaker 1: Man, thank you, man, Yeah, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value,
Speaker 1: Like as an artist, if you like it, that's all
Speaker 1: of the value. That's the success comes when you say
Speaker 1: I like this enough for other people to see it.