1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: I walked in and I had a hard drive filled 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: with all of my music. He like, took it, he 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: listened to it. He threw my hard drive out the window, 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: broke into a million pieces. Not good enough. Start again. 5 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: A musician, producer a body of work. This guy is 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: produced a written Your list goes on and on, Benny Bronco. 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: If you want to try to be like a musician 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, it's scary. 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You know that I 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: love diving into the minds of people. I find fascinating 28 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: to dive into how people are creative, how people become conscious, 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 2: and how people create things that the world gets excited about. 30 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: I think I've always been a student of life and 31 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: a student of people's journeys, and here we get to 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: go back in time and find out what those key 33 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: moments were in people's lives. Today's guest is someone that 34 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: I've been dying to have on the show. I'm so 35 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: excited that he's here in the studio. I've been feeling 36 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: his energy and viable already. I'm excited to share it 37 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: with you all. I'm speaking about the one and only 38 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: Benny Blanco, record producer, songwriter, artist, actor, record executive and 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: cookbook Orthile'll have you know, I'll tell you about that 40 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: in a second. Benny has contributed to the sale of 41 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of albums worldwide through his work with 42 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: some of your favorite artists including Ed Sheeran, Scissor, Justin Bieber, Rihanna, 43 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: Katie Perry, The Weekend, Maroon Five, Juice, World Sea, and 44 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: many more. As a solo artist, Benny has released two albums, 45 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: Friends Keep Secrets and Friends Keep Secrets Too, that have 46 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: been streamed more than eleven billion times today and have 47 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: featured multiple platinum hits. Benny made his TV debut playing 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: a fictionalized version of himself on the FFX series Dave 49 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: with Little Dicky. If you haven't seen it, that episode's brilliant. 50 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: Benny's most recent project is his first cookbook, Open Wide. 51 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: You can get it right now. We'll be diving into 52 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: that as well. Welcome to the show, Bennie Blanco. 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: Wow, that was so cool. I want you to walk 54 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: around with me all the time. I understand. I get 55 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: why you're number one podcast for help. I was when 56 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: you were talking. I was. My jaw was dropped. I 57 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: was just mesmerized by everything. 58 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: Benny, I want to do the introduction now every time 59 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: you go on stage, every time you're there, it has 60 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: to be you know. 61 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: I know I got to come up with one for you. 62 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: I'd be like perfect skin, beautiful eyes, wavy hair, you're 63 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: talking about yourself and. 64 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: Same thing we both were saying. 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: We're interchange. 66 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: We got curly hair, we got colored eyes, you got 67 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 2: good skin. Okay, I love it, Benny. It's such a 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: joy to have you here, and I'm excited to dive 69 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: into everything that I was just talking about. But when 70 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: I'm sitting with someone like you, who you know, creativity 71 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: is at your fingertips, it's kind of embedded into your 72 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: whole life. I'm always intrigued. What's your earliest childhood memory 73 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: of being creative? Like, do you remember the first thing 74 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: you put together? You're just telling me you even had 75 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: this shirt made that you're wearing today, Like, what was 76 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: one of the first things you remember saying? Oh, wow, 77 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: I did some as a kid. 78 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: Okay, here's what I really remember. So I you know, 79 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have the luxury of having like insane musical 80 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: instruments at my fingertips and recording studios. And I was 81 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: from a I was from the middle of nowhere. So 82 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: I my brother had a boombox, an old school boombox, 83 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: and I had a smaller, old school boombox, and I 84 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: was I remember my earliest memories that probably I'm probably 85 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: like five or six, and I remember realizing that music. 86 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: You know, when I first heard music, I always thought 87 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: that the like the musician was at the radio station 88 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: singing the song, and I was like, how do they 89 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: keep coming back to the station. I didn't even understand 90 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: how music was created, but somewhere very early I figured 91 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: out that it was like a multi track situation. And 92 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: I would take I had a boombox, and I would 93 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: record like me like hitting like this into the boombox. Okay. 94 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: Then I would press play on that one, and then 95 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: I would do the next thing on the other boombox 96 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: and record into that one, and I would keep going 97 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: back and forth until I created like a track. I 98 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: guess I was creating like my own like eight track 99 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: and multi track of layering things, and I didn't even 100 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: know what it was, but I was just so excited 101 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: that I was doing it. And my whole career has 102 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: been a version of that. Like I have no training, 103 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm not good at anything. I'm I'm I'm really like 104 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: I like I like I know people are like, oh, 105 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: you're being humble. I'm really not great at anything. I 106 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: have like a ultimate will to get things done, Like 107 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm like this will happened. But no, it's just I'm 108 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: always trial and error, and I always tell people. People 109 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: are always just like, wow, did you do this? How 110 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: did you? And I'm like, honestly like just going in 111 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: and I call it making a mess. I like to 112 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: go in and throw a bunch of shit around the room, 113 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: throw pained everything, and then we worry about cleaning it 114 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: up later. But maybe a few of those things just 115 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: happen the land correctly, and I just keep doing that 116 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: until everything fully lands where I wanted to and I'm 117 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: just playing clean up around the size. 118 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: That's a beautiful way of describing the process. But what 119 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: gave you that? Where does that will or that confidence 120 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: come from? Because I think a lot of people are 121 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 2: scared of creating a mess or scared of things not sticking, 122 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: so they never try. Whereas it sounds like you're the opposite, 123 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: where you're like, well, I don't care if it doesn't try, 124 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: I'm willing to give it a go. Where is that 125 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 2: in a confidence that in an ability to say hey, 126 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: it's okay come from. 127 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: I don't care about failure at all. I don't care, 128 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: and I never did. I think when I was younger, 129 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: I didn't understand what failure was like when you're you know, 130 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: when you're six, when you're seven, when you're twelve, you 131 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: don't there's not many people to let down, you know 132 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: what I mean. You let down Timmy at school. He's 133 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: your friend. Sorry Timmy, but you you're not thinking about that. 134 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: And I always I just remember from the beginning, like 135 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: my mom was like I wanted to drop out of school. 136 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: And you know, my mom was raising me alone, and 137 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: it was I was probably fifteen sixteen at the time, 138 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, Mom, I know what I want 139 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: to do. She's like, what do you want to do? 140 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: I'm like the music stuff, like I'm so into it 141 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: and I know and I looked at and I go, 142 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,559 Speaker 1: I know, I'm going to be the biggest in the world. 143 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: And she was just like, what do you say? 144 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: You know? 145 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: And I've asked her. I've asked my mom like later 146 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: in life, like how did you like trust me in 147 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: my journey? And she always said that she had dreams 148 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: that she never got to try in her life. And 149 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people are just way too scared to 150 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: take the jump. You know, a lot of people may 151 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: have I'm sure everyone in this room, anyone listening has 152 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: a little something where they're like, oh, I really like that, 153 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: but they're scared. They're scared. They're like, you know, I 154 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: would you know, I want to post videos of me 155 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: cooking on like noah, no, no, no, no want to like it. 156 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: My friends will make fun of me. I want to 157 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: I sing in the shower like I want no no, no, no, 158 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: no no. Because we're taught to just follow suit and 159 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 1: do whatever you're supposed to do. You report to your boss, 160 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: But it doesn't have to be like that. Like if 161 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: you want to try to be like a musician, an entrepreneur, whatever, 162 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: it's scary and like I'm sure you've had moments like 163 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: that where you're like, yo, what am I doing? But 164 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: if you do try, I believe that if you keep 165 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: pushing yourself and you keep trying, you're going to succeed. 166 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: And I always tell people this, it may not be 167 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: in what you start with, you know, Like when I started, 168 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be the biggest rap 169 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: artist in the world, And am I a rapper out? 170 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: No? 171 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: And then I moved into producing, and then I moved 172 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: into songwriting, and then it's come full circle now where 173 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm like an artist of some sorts again, and I 174 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: think you just jump in and just try something, just try, 175 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: and who cares if you're going to fail? Who cares 176 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: if you fail? I don't understand. This's the thing. I 177 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: don't understand. It's just you just get up and you 178 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: do it again. I like, I have amnesia the second 179 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: I feel, the second I film, I'm like, the next 180 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: day I wake up, I'm like, all right, let's do 181 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: it again. 182 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 2: You know, that's an amazing mindset. So we share something 183 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 2: in common already. We both grew up wanting to be 184 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: famous rappers. 185 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean too. Yeah, No, that. 186 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: Was like my passion, like poetry, spoken word, writing, lyrics, 187 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: Like all I listened to is hip hop and rap 188 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 2: growing up. If you asked me, it's sixteen years old 189 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: what I wanted to be. That's what I wanted to be. 190 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 2: And it's so interesting because today I feel I use 191 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: the same skills that I wanted to use then, but 192 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: in a completely different way. I still write, I write 193 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: books instead of records. I teach meditation, which includes music, 194 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: includes cadence, it includes rhyme often, but not in the 195 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: way that a rapper word. And I'm using spoken word 196 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: constantly to get messages out into the world, but in 197 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: a different way. And so I love what you just 198 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: said about that idea of how you actually may succeed, 199 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: but in a way completely different to what you originally 200 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: dreamed of. 201 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: I hope it goes full circle for you. I want 202 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: to hear it. I need to hear the j shady 203 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: rap take what was your rap name? 204 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: Oh god, I don't know if I need to go 205 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: that farka. It was embarrassing, but I'll tell you later. 206 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: I'll tell you privately. 207 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: Yea, is Ja Scheddy your real name? Yes, it's such a. 208 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: That's the perfect rap it. Ye Ja Shetty sounds like 209 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: a fire average really from East London? 210 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm from North London, so not far all right? Yeah? 211 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: Not far? 212 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: Okay? 213 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: Cool? 214 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: I like it. I like it, but no, I really 215 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 2: appreciate what you're saying there. And I think that anesia 216 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: to failure. Wow, like that that spec. I loved that 217 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: idea of having amnesia with failure. Can you give me 218 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: a time. Was that always the case or was there 219 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: a failure that like did kind of pierce that veil? 220 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: It never has I can see. 221 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: From you now. No, I remember when I was gonna 222 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: quit music one time before I meet, right before I 223 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: made it, my my mentor passed away. He took his 224 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: own life. And I was really young. It was one 225 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: of my best friends, and I'm probably like eighteen. I 226 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: remember like sitting in my bed and I was just 227 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: like I was like crying. I like didn't understand. You know. 228 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: It was one of the first times that somebody who 229 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to die died. You know. I've had like 230 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, I had lost my grandmother and lost my grandfather, 231 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: but it was like the first time in my life 232 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: where like someone that like I really knew and really 233 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: touched me, and I talked to them the day before 234 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: they died, and it's like, uh, I remember like that 235 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: hitting me like so hard in a way that I 236 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: didn't know was even possible. Like, you know, I'd been sad, 237 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: I had, but I remember sitting there in bed and 238 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm just gonna quit. I was like, 239 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: I gotta quit making music. And then in that very 240 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: same moment, like my head flipped and I was just like, no, 241 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: you can't. You gotta like take on what this dude 242 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: started because he didn't. He was also a musician, and 243 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: he didn't get totally. He was you know, he was 244 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: well known and he was a hero to me, but 245 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: he didn't get where I think he deserved to. And 246 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: I remember being like, I gotta do this, like I 247 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: got it, Like he would want me to be doing this. 248 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: He would. And that was like the only time where 249 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't even failure. It was like the only time 250 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: where I like really question things. And but don't get 251 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: me wrong, every time I do something good in life, 252 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm questioning. It's not but it's like a different feeling. 253 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if you have this, but I'll have 254 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: a number one song, like a number one song, it's 255 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: the biggest song in the whole world, and I I'll 256 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: like look at the men and I'll oh, that's the 257 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: last one. Like it definitely not gonna have another number 258 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: one song again. Not saying I'm like scared of the failure. 259 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, that's just like the last one. 260 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: That's what I did, or all something really good will 261 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: happen in my life and I'm like, oh, I'll never 262 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: recreate that again. And but in the same breath, I'm like, 263 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: let's go. Like I'm like, let's keep rolling, you know, 264 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: And and I've tried to do this thing lately in 265 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: the last like five or ten years, where I really 266 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: like take in my achievements because for a while I 267 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: never thought of them. I would just keep going. Like 268 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: when it was time they'd be like, oh, your song 269 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: number one, I'd be like, Okay, that's cool. What are 270 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: we doing next week? And I figured out like it's 271 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: okay to do that, It's okay to like take a 272 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: breath and be like, yo, we just did this shit 273 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: like this is tight, like we did this, this is 274 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: great and and yeah, I just I'm trying to do 275 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: that more and failure Like no, I've never had one 276 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: of those times because whenever I do fail, I'll sit 277 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: and I'll obviously like I'll sit there and I'll be 278 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: like this didn't work how I wanted it to. But 279 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: so many times have been the opposite where I was like, 280 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: this will never work and then it's me. So it's 281 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: like I feel like it always evens out and you 282 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: only have one other choice. It's like the air. Only 283 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: choice is just to keep going. What are you supposed 284 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: to do? Just be like no, get up and you 285 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: do it again. 286 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got so many questions I want to dive 287 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: into so much that you said, so rewinding with your mentor, 288 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: how did you first? And I'm so sorry to hear 289 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: thank you for sharing with us, and you know, such 290 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: a challenging event. And I lost my mentor four years ago. 291 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: He passed away from stage four brain cancer during the pandemic. 292 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: So I couldn't go back to see him because I 293 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: couldn't take a flight, and so I couldn't be a funeral. 294 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: So you know that, Yeah, it was super rough for me. 295 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: It was more recent. But how did you meet your 296 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: mentor and how did you form a bond? I think 297 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: a lot of successful people have mentors. They have guides, 298 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: they have teachers, they have coaches. But then sometimes when 299 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 2: you're listening to a conversation, you're like this, You're like, 300 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: I want someone to be my mentor, but I don't 301 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: know where to start and how to find them, Like 302 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: what does that mean? Like how did you connect? 303 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: I had? I've had so many mentors. I have mentors 304 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: every day. I'm a mentor to people, but sometimes my 305 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: mentees are my mentor. Like I'm always you always got 306 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: to be open to just listening and learning every day. 307 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: I learned something. I was in the studio yesterday with 308 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: a guy who's one of my mentees. Like the way 309 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: I met I gotta tell you that story later. That's insane. 310 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: I'll go to that. I'll tell that after first one 311 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: is I met my mentor I was. This is when 312 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: he was like my second or third mentor. I met 313 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: a lot of really really important mentors in my life. 314 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: When I was about thirteen, I was a musician. I 315 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: was traveling for music at the time. I had gotten 316 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: like some buzz and my Space was a thing. Yeah, 317 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: and I had somehow created a profile where I had 318 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of followers. Okay, so I don't even remember 319 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: how I did it, but I was a kid. I 320 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: used to do it in the library at school. And 321 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: there was this guy, he was a producer. I was 322 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: obsessed with him. I DM well messaged him the equivalent 323 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: of DM today. And I remember messaging him and I 324 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: was like, I love yourself, oh blah blah, and then 325 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: no response. And I was like, oh, I love you 326 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: like please blah blah blah. No response. Then I saw, 327 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: like a few weeks later, he was advertising. He was like, 328 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: I have studio time available. It's like you know, five 329 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: hundred dollars or something. And I remember just being like, Okay, 330 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: the only way I'm going to meet this guy is 331 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: if I get the studio time. So I say, I'm 332 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: interested in the studio time. He says, great, come to 333 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: New York and meet me here. He had no idea 334 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: where I was. I drove to New York and I drove. 335 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: We drove like four hours to New York. I get 336 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: to New York, I get in with him. The first 337 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: thing I say is I'm like, I don't really need 338 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: studio time. I just want to talk to you. Please, 339 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: I'll do anything. I just want to work with you. 340 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: I'll do whatever you say. But then he was just 341 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: like this was insane. He said, I'm leaving this weekend. 342 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: I need my studio book to the whole weekend. It's 343 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty dollars for the for the two 344 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: days you need to book it. If you can book it, 345 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: I'll let you work for me. Who I called every 346 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: single person I know. I spent every you know, I 347 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: had like a few hundred bucks then, like I would 348 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: like beg my friends for money. I had like a 349 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: few into a few rappers at the time that wanted 350 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: studio time, and I like figured it out and he 351 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: was just like he got back. I did it like 352 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: I just did it in the nick of time, and 353 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: he was just like, all right, you can work. You 354 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: start next week. I would drive up every weekend from 355 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: Virginia to work with him. When from when I was 356 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: like sixteen seventeen, and we created this bond and it 357 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 1: was like he was tough on me. He was like 358 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: he was like not an easy guy. Like I remember, 359 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: like I I walked in and I had a hard 360 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: drive filled with all of my music, okay, everything I 361 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: had been making, and he like took it. He listened 362 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: to it, he ejected it, and then he threw it 363 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: out the window. He threw my hard drive out the window, 364 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: broke into a million pieces. No more hard drive, and 365 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: he was like not good enough. Start again. And it 366 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: was like yeah, he was like super sense. It was 367 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: like karate kid. And I like hated him in the 368 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: moments for it, but so many he taught me so 369 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: many things that like I learned and taught me things 370 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: not to do as a man, and like and you know, 371 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: it was it was a really special time. And now 372 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: I just want to jump to this okay. 373 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, please, I love it. 374 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: So I'm you know, this is I don't know, almost 375 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: ten years ago now, maybe eight years ago, and I'm 376 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: playing poker at a friend's house and my friend puts 377 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: me on her story, her Instagram story, and the next 378 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: day she comes to me and she said, hey, my 379 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: friend's son saw you on my story and apparently you're 380 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: like a big deal in music. And she was just like, 381 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: you have to have him come work for you. And 382 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: I was like what. She's like, yeah, you have to 383 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: have him come work for you. I was like, I don't. 384 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: I don't need anyone else. I already have assistants, interns. 385 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: And they were like, no, you have to. And this 386 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: lady is like a very there isn't really you don't 387 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: get to have a choice. So I was like, all right, 388 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: I'll meet him. So this kid comes in. He's fifteen 389 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: years old. He's like like everything, like he's just so 390 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: excited and he like was so sweet and he reminded 391 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: him me of me when I was a kid. He 392 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: was like, I'll do anything, I'll work for you, blah 393 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: blah blah. I was like, all right, come work for me. 394 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: He comes and works for me. I still like am 395 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: spending a lot of time in New York at the time, 396 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: and so I don't see him. He's just like building 397 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: a studio for me and has never even met me 398 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: besides that one day. But he like he does it 399 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: for like a year. Then like I finally come back 400 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: to LA and I I'm like, all right, you ready 401 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: to come into some recording studios and he was like 402 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: he was like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm so excited. 403 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: So like you know, first week, first three sessions, it's 404 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: his first session is the Weekend. His second seession is 405 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: Travis Scott, and like his third session was like Maroon five, 406 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: so it's like he's getting thrown into it. So I 407 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: remember we're at the first session and I'm just like, 408 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: be cool, blah blah. It's the weekend, and the Weekend's 409 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: in there, and we're like all in a room and 410 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: we're just like singing into microphones like we're chilling, and 411 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: he's like, I know, his mind's blown. Weekend's his favorite 412 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: artists at the time, And I remember he when no 413 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: one's looking, he like sneaks a picture and he accidentally 414 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: has his flash on it, so it goes and it 415 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: has the noise too, and so I was like, and 416 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: when it did it, he went and he threw his 417 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: phone and somehow the weekend didn't notice, and like, I 418 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: pulled him aside after and I'm like, dude, you can't 419 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: do that, blah blah. Fast forward, he's in high school 420 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: and I say, hey, I'm in the middle of I 421 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: was in the middle of making Ed Sheeran's Divide album 422 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: and I was producing the whole thing. And I was like, 423 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: I need some help on the road. If I talk 424 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: to your school and get you off, will you come 425 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, of course. Took him on 426 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: the road for like two weeks. Mine was blown. Then 427 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, he starts going to NYU School of Clive 428 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: Davis School of Music, and he, uh, I have another opportunity. 429 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: I talk to his teachers. I take him on the 430 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: road for like a month. We're on tour with Halsey. 431 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: Then he's coming back to work for me. Now, okay, 432 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 1: we've never talked about him making music at all. And 433 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: we're sitting there one day, it's late at night, and 434 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: he said, my therapist said, he's going to stop working 435 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: with me if I don't play you my music. I said, 436 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: what do you mean, you make music, and he's like, yeah, yeah, 437 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: I make music. I was like, why didn't you ever 438 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: play for me. He's like, I was so scared. I 439 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: was trying to get better. Blah blah blah. He plays 440 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: me some songs. They're terrible, They're like they're awful, but 441 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: like I can hear something in him and I know 442 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: he's so you know, in music, so much of it 443 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: is like getting an artist to feel comfortable, getting them 444 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: to believe, getting them to you know, so much of 445 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: it is your personality, and he had that. He had 446 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: the it factor. I saw when he was with like artists, 447 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: he knew how to talk to them, he knew how 448 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: to make them feel good, just like getting them food, everything. 449 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: And you know, he spent years just seeing how I 450 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: did it with artists, and I decided to sign him. 451 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna sign you. And he went 452 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: on this journey and now he's one of the biggest 453 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: music producers in the world. I mean last year he 454 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: won you know, Best Record at the Grammys. He's had 455 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: like five or ten number one records, and it's like 456 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: this guy started he was so humble, he was fifteen 457 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: years old. Now he's like probably twenty six, twenty seven, 458 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: and he did. He just went on the journey. He 459 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: knew when his time was and he went in and 460 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: he did it. And it was just like I always 461 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: tell people, you know, you just got to stick through it. 462 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: You gotta stick around, you know. And when I first 463 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: signed him, it wasn't working for him. It took him 464 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: like a few years for it really to like connect, 465 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: and he's just like, it's such a fun story for me. 466 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: That's a brilliant yeah to you know. And I've been 467 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to have that a few different times in 468 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: my life with people, and it was so cool because 469 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: I had that experience and we're all to pay it forward. 470 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: It's just yeah, the interne applications to the Benny Blanco 471 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: School of music just went through the roof. Now read's 472 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: gonna get up, dude. I love that. No, it's it's uh, 473 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 2: it's it's beautiful to hear that. And and also what 474 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 2: I love about that message is when your mentor throws 475 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 2: your hard drive outside the window, like it's so easy 476 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: to be like I'm never going back, Like he's crazy, 477 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 2: like I'm never going back. It's that whiplash. Oh yeah, right, 478 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 2: like that. 479 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: Was my life. That was I was a cleaning toilets 480 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: with a toothbrush, like that was my real life. 481 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:37,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was thinking of when you were 482 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: describing it. I felt exactly like that. I'm thinking, you know, 483 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: it's but how do you show up again and recognize 484 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 2: this value because I think now we're in a place 485 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: as well where it's like if something like that happened, 486 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: we'd be like, oh, get out of there. 487 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: It's you know, so I know it did change a 488 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: little bit, Like. 489 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 2: You wouldn't do that, That's what I mean. You wouldn't 490 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: throw something's hard drive. 491 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: No, I would never do those type of things. I'm 492 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: not I'm just like not that type of birth. I'm 493 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: not like a yelling person. I'm not like it's just 494 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: like not, that's not my way of communication. Like if 495 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: I was like sad about something, I'd be like, man, 496 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: I think it's like probably almost worse. Like I'm like 497 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: i'd be like, ah, why did you do that? You know? 498 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: I go quiet. 499 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be like you know, you know, if you're 500 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: ever like in a you know, in an argument in 501 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: a relationship, Like I'm not a yeller, I'm like a 502 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm like a oh man, like I wish it was different, 503 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: like and I can't even find the words usually at 504 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: the beginning, and I think that's how I am. And 505 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: I think, like I really learned that you don't have 506 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: to do that stuff. You It worked for me. It 507 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: got me to where I am. But it's like, you can, 508 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: you can be really positive. You can you can be 509 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: a good influence on someone. You don't have to like 510 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: you can be hard on someone like I'm I'm definitely 511 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: like I was definitely hard on on the guy was 512 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: talking about Blake, I was, I was, I was tough 513 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: on him, but I was never like I would never 514 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: be mean. I would never like there's no reason to 515 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: do that. And what made me keep going back, I 516 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: don't know. Sheer just will and drive like that. That's 517 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: like I just was like, I what they're trying. That's 518 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. They want me, they want 519 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: me to quit, they want me to you know, And 520 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: I don't know. I always I don't know why I 521 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: do it, and I wonder, you know, sometimes I sit 522 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: in bed and I'm like, why am I still working 523 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: like so hard? Like I still work like I've never 524 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: done a thing in my life, Like I'm still wake 525 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: up every morning, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna do this. 526 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna do this, and then I swear I'm 527 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: gonna get this thing. And I always That's why I 528 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: try to do different things that I'm not necessarily great 529 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: at to or not that I'm not great at, but 530 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: that I don't have. You know, in music, I can 531 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: go in, I can work with anyone. I can do this, 532 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: but like, yeah, like making a cookbook, being in a 533 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: TV show. I've never done these things. So it's like 534 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: very interesting to me to start at the bottom again 535 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: and just like try to work my way up. It's fun. 536 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: I love the climb. Like that's my favorite part about life, 537 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: even everything. Like in a relationship, when you meet that 538 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: person at the very beginning, it's like, oh, I gotta 539 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: like make my way into their heart and they have 540 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: to make their way into mind, and it's just all 541 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: about I don't know, getting there is always the best. 542 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: And then when you're there, I'm just like, all right, 543 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: what else can I I want to get? I want 544 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: to get some you know what I mean. Like so 545 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: when you're like, you know, you do the music stuff 546 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: and you get there and you're like, I think the 547 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: only thing where you get there and it just keeps 548 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: getting better is in a relationship with someone. I think 549 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: that's like the only time you get there and you're like, Okay, 550 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: this is cool, like but when every other time I'm 551 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: just like okay, cool, Like let's go. 552 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: What do you think makes relationships different that makes you 553 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: feel that way as opposed to music because or anything else, 554 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: any other achievement. 555 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: No, well, well I've never been in a relationship the 556 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: way that I've been in one with music, because it's 557 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: been like a thirty year relationship, so I have no 558 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: idea what happens thirty years from now in a relationship. 559 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: But uh, I just feel like in a relationship is 560 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: like all these other things I'm doing, there's so many 561 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: like tentacles, Like it's like you go this way and 562 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: then you guys explore that together, and you're exploring so 563 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: many It's basically anything I would explore in my life. 564 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm exploring with a partner, and so it's like figuring 565 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: out like you guys are like figuring out things together. 566 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: And it's so cool when you have like a partner 567 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: that like I don't know, like I just get the 568 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: feeling like it's it's awesome when you can have a 569 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: partner that you look at and you're and it's like 570 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: the end of the day and you're like, oh, what 571 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: did you do today? And they tell you and you're 572 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: like that's so tight, and you're like, I want to 573 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: do more. Like when you can feed off of each 574 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: other and just keep growing together, it's like every day 575 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: is a new experience and you guys are like facing 576 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: different things together and it's I don't know, it's cool. 577 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: And I always tell my friend. I was just talking 578 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: to my friend yesterday about this. I was like, you 579 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: always have to keep your work and life balance. And 580 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: I was like, because you can feel it in the 581 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: music and art if you don't have love or you 582 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: don't have something. So I always tell them I always 583 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: feel that it's just like this. I have like rules, 584 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: like every day, like I only work till like a 585 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: certain time. I make sure I you know, like cooking 586 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: is very important to me in therapeutic, so I make 587 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: sure I do that. Like it's like xanax to me, 588 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: Like I and I have like all my things that 589 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: I have to do to make that bound because I 590 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: do push myself. I shove my head through that wall, 591 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: just that dry wall if I had to butt at 592 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: the same time, I try to do all the things. 593 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, like every you know, it's like every Sunday, 594 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: I see my mom no matter what, every single Sunday 595 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: at the exact same time. It doesn't matter if I 596 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: like stay up all night, I'll just go right into 597 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: seeing her. And it's just like we have like a 598 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: ritual we do. And then I have like my ritual 599 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: where I go and get my groceries at the farmer's 600 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: market every weekend. And there's just all these things that 601 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: help keep you on track and grounded so you can 602 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing, you know. I mean, I'm 603 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: sure you have things like that for yourself. 604 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, mind similar, call my mom at the 605 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: same time every week because she's back in London, yeah, 606 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: where I was born and raised, and so I have 607 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: the same time I call her on the weekend. And yeah, 608 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: there's certain things that have to be done that way, 609 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: and same with you. And you know, I have a 610 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: certain time as well that I switch off from work 611 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 2: and I'm not looking at my phone. I have a 612 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: time in the morning I have like three hours of 613 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: being awake before I'm doing any work. I have to 614 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: take that time for myself. But what's interesting about what 615 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: you're saying is that there's a myth obviously that the 616 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: broken hearted artist can pour into the music, but you're 617 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: actually saying that if you have love in your life, 618 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: that can also be felt through music. 619 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that at times it's good to have 620 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: a broken heart, but it's also good. You know, there's 621 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: a time and place for everything. What time you wake up? 622 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: I wake up now at five thirty am? 623 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 1: What you wake up before? 624 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: Usually it was like I was. This year has been different. 625 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: This year, I've been really prioritizing five point thirty, But 626 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: up until last year, it's probably like six to six thirty. 627 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: And what time do you go to bed? 628 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: I go to bed at like nine pm? Now really yeah, 629 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,239 Speaker 2: I love my eight hours of sleep. So if I 630 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,479 Speaker 2: get into bed at nine, I'll be out by nine 631 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 2: to fifteen, okay. And then if I wake up at 632 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: five thirty, I've at like eight hours and thirty year 633 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: it's asleep, Like, it's. 634 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: What are you doing? What are you doing in those 635 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: first three hours? 636 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 2: Meditating for a lot of it. So I'll wake up 637 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: at five thirty, I'll be ready to sit down for 638 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,239 Speaker 2: meditation by like five forty five, or meditate for an 639 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: hour and a half, and then seven fifteen I'll go 640 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 2: for a hike or go to the gym or yeah, 641 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: usually I hike on the gym from seven to fifteen 642 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: till about eight fifteen, eight thirty, get ready, and then 643 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 2: nine am I'll take my first emails, meetings, all that 644 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So I think you came at ten today, So. 645 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, hour and a half, eleven hour and a half. 646 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: Is that's that's a good meditation hour and a half. 647 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: How do you even stay focused? 648 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's it's a good question. And I 649 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 2: always say to people that when I started, it wasn't 650 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 2: one and a half hours like you start up with 651 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 2: doing like seven minutes, yeah, twenty minutes, yeah, forty minutes. 652 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 2: And what I found was just in the same way 653 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: as if you go to a trainer at the gym, 654 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,719 Speaker 2: you'd hope that they work out more than you. So 655 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: as someone who teaches meditation and helps people with mindfulness, 656 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: I believe that as a trainer and as a coach, 657 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 2: I have to do it for more time and deeper time, 658 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: because otherwise If I'm only doing it for seven minutes 659 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: and I'm mentoring you and you're only doing it for 660 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 2: seven minutes, then how will I ever have an experience 661 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: to guide you deeper? And so I've been doing that 662 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: since I was eighteen now, so it's been a long time. 663 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: And when I was a month for three years, it 664 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2: was longer, and that's where I got that deepest experience 665 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: of practice for it. So I feel like if I 666 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: didn't have those three years of going really deep into 667 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: the practice, I may not have the focus I have today. 668 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: You're a month for three years? Yeah, like a real month? 669 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: Same Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've never met I'd have to 670 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: show you. I've never even met a month. 671 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: Yeah I'm not anymore, but yeah, how long you still 672 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: haven't met? Where? 673 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: Where? When was this? 674 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: So this was twenty ten to twenty thirteen and I 675 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 2: was among across India, Uken, Europe. I traveled between the 676 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: three and I shaved head, I wore robes, I slept 677 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: on the floor. We meditated for like four to eight hours, 678 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: sometimes a day, and so. 679 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: It was a standard standard Sandy stanturday eight hour meditation. 680 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: Sometimes when do you do anything else? Well, sometimes you 681 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: didn't that was the point. 682 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: In eight hour meditation sometime, isn't that sleeping? Yeah? 683 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: I mean you can count it as the same thing. 684 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 2: We sleep for eight hours. 685 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, my heart. The hardest part for 686 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: me with meditating is that I instantly fall asleep. I 687 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: can fall asleep very easily. 688 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: So I'll tell you why though. The reason why that 689 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: happens during meditation or any practice of that sort is 690 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: your body and mind are finally coming into sync, and 691 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 2: so it's your body saying I need sleep right now. 692 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 693 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 2: And so if you're falling asleep during meditation, it's not 694 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 2: a bad thing. It's just you've literally because what's happening 695 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: when you're not falling asleep is your mind saying we 696 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 2: got to do more, Yeah, we got to do more. 697 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,959 Speaker 2: And then finally, when you become present, you fall asleep 698 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 2: because your body's saying I've done enough today. 699 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: Where do you do these meditators? 700 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: I want to do a meditation. We'll take you too afterwards. 701 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: I want to do a meditation with you. 702 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: All right, we'll do it. 703 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: I want to I want to learn I I you know, 704 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: I've done it. There was like a time in my 705 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: life when when I was going through rough patch and 706 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: then like, you know, I was going to therapy and 707 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: I was meditating and stuff, and it actually helped me 708 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: so much. It helped me. 709 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 2: What was that during What were you going through? 710 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: When everything first started happening for me all at once, 711 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: it was like really overwhelming. I was, you know, for 712 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: the first like year or two, I was like, Oh, 713 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: this is awesome, and then like it really hit me 714 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: because you know, so many different responsibilities and people asking 715 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: you for money, and like I just didn't grow up 716 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: in a way like I had never I didn't even imagine, 717 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 1: you know, I was I was young when I made it, 718 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: so I was like I didn't really I didn't even 719 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: realize about like money. And then I'm like, oh my god, 720 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: all like I have this, what do I do with 721 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: the like? And then it's like I have all the 722 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: success and people need things from me and people want 723 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: and it was just too much. And where I grew 724 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: up like I didn't, like, I don't know, I didn't 725 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: go to like therapy as a kid. I didn't I 726 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: didn't know about any of that. I didn't know what 727 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: anxiety was. I thought like everyone I was like, oh everyone, 728 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: the room spins for everyone when you like sit down 729 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: and you're like doing something. I just there were so 730 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: many things I didn't understand, and I thought it was 731 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: just my body. And I never talked to anyone about it, 732 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, they were just things like 733 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: I learned to live with. And I remember, like I 734 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: just remember exactly where I was. I was like walking 735 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: in to get a new cell phone. I lost my 736 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: mind and I and I and I just couldn't handle 737 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: it anymore. And I remember like a week later, I 738 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: went home to Virginia where my mom was living at 739 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: the time, and I remember I was like in the 740 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: bathroom and I was like, I'd like I don't, I 741 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: can't do that. I was like I can't do this anymore, 742 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: Like I don't, I can't. I had this feeling, like 743 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: this crazy feeling of anxiety that was like crippling, and 744 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: it was like I couldn't do anything. And I was 745 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: just like I I was like in the bathtub, and 746 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: I remember like calling from when I was crying and 747 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, I can't do this. 748 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. I like, I can't 749 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: even explain the feeling. I didn't know how to articulate 750 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: the words. I was like, I can't even explain what 751 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: I'm feeling to you. I feel like I'm going crazy. 752 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: And you know, in my family, you know, there's some 753 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: people have some issues, and I was always scared of 754 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: myself falling into some similar things that are in my family, 755 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: that run in my family. And I just remember somebody 756 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: was somebody got me to go to therapy and they 757 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 1: and I met this guy and he's my therapist today 758 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: still to this day. This was it's been my therapist 759 00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: for almost twenty years. And I remember like I first 760 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: went there and I had like all these things. I 761 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: was like, I used to like go and I'd have 762 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: to like hold my head like this, and I was like, well, 763 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: I can't let go on my arm because if I 764 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: let go my arm, my neck's gonna fall off and 765 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be paralyzed. Like I had like create like 766 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: I was so in deep and I never thought I 767 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: was going to get out. And I remember I started. 768 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: I used to go six days a week, and then 769 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: it was like three days a week, then it was 770 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: two days, then it was one, and it was CBT, 771 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: you know, cognitive behavioral therapy, and it's like kind of 772 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: like a type of therapy where you use your words 773 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: and it's not I was very I didn't want to 774 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: do medicine and I didn't, you know, because I also 775 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: had in my family there's some drug abuse and stuff 776 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: and I I I was like, I don't want to 777 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: do this with medicine. I want to figure out how 778 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: to do it the right way. And at that time 779 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: I wasn't. Now I'm like a workout fanatic. That's like 780 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: my new meditation nice. But before that, I was like, 781 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: well how do I do this? And I started, you know, 782 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: my therapist recommended meditation to me, and he had this 783 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: really easy way of doing it and it was so 784 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: easy and it wasn't it wasn't even like anything specific. 785 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: He was like just you know, he would just like 786 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: it was the most basic form of meditation. I would 787 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: do it with either with a spoken word thing or 788 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: just like he'd be like, find the most calming music 789 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: you like, and I would and he would just be like, 790 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: no matter what, just every day he was like, for 791 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: twenty to thirty minutes, just sit down, put a pillow 792 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: on your head, try not to be too comfy where 793 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: you'll fall asleep. Set a timer and just do it. 794 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: And I remember doing it and at first it was impossible, 795 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: when I was like in my shit, it was impossible. 796 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: And then eventually I started like looking forward to that 797 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: time every day and it really just helped me a lot. 798 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: And then like in twenty eighteen, and then I got 799 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: like it was probably like a year or so of 800 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: and this was probably two thousand and nine, maybe this 801 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: was happening. And then like then I like got back 802 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 1: on track and everything was great. And then in twenty eighteen, 803 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: I really like working out became like my new meditation 804 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: like and it was just like I have to do it, 805 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: and it was so funny because I went so many 806 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: years without doing it. And I'm sure in your life 807 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: you went years without doing meditation, and now, like what 808 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: happens if you randomly mist do you ever miss one? Ever? 809 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: Like just like you're. 810 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 2: Touching up, I won't. Yeah, I don't meditate at five 811 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 2: thirty every day, Like it's not I can't keep that 812 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 2: up because on planes were traveling, like our lifestyles don't 813 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 2: allow it, and so I will be meditating in the evening. 814 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 2: I'll be like, what the quality, Well, I find that 815 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 2: for me, the quality dip So the last week was 816 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 2: one of those weeks I was I had like three 817 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 2: massively late nights in a row on the weekend because 818 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 2: of events and parties and things and things that I 819 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 2: was going to and I couldn't wake up early, and 820 00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 2: then I still had a full day of work, and 821 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 2: then in the evening I was catching up with it, 822 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 2: and I found that I didn't have the time and 823 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 2: space that I need in order to feel really aligned. 824 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is I can still operate. 825 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 2: No one else will really know it's the difference, but 826 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 2: I know it's the difference where I'm like, I feel 827 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 2: like I have less energy today. I feel like I 828 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 2: have less clarity today, and I feel like I'm not 829 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 2: as aligned is the best word I can think of, 830 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 2: as I like to be. And so it doesn't really 831 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 2: affect anyone else, but it does affect me, and I 832 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 2: know what level I can race to, which is what 833 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 2: you're probably saying when you're working out, Like when you 834 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 2: miss a day of working out, how do you feel now? 835 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you know, I thought of something when you're seah, please, 836 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,280 Speaker 1: so you're scene as like, you know this guy who's 837 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: like mindfulness help this like isn't it, aren't you? Sometimes 838 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: do you feel like I have to be so perfect 839 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:54,720 Speaker 1: all the time? 840 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting you say that, Bennie. I 841 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 2: used to think that when I started out, that that's 842 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 2: what I had to be. And then I've let go 843 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 2: of that pressure personally, Like I let go of that, 844 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 2: and I'm just like I'm saying to you now, I 845 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 2: don't wake up every day medica. Sometimes I'm meditating on planes, 846 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 2: in ubers, on trains. Sometimes I'm doing it while I'm 847 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 2: falling asleep. Like, I'm okay with opening up about that 848 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 2: because to me that A, I hope, well, A, it's 849 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 2: the truth. B I hope that that actually helps people 850 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 2: realize that they don't have to have the perfect regime, yeah, 851 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 2: every single day. Because I used to think that, and 852 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 2: all I did was put more pressure on myself, like 853 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 2: I'd stress myself out. So I'm more comfortable today saying 854 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 2: I believe in meditation, I value mindfulness, I value all 855 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 2: these things. But it doesn't look perfect in my life 856 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 2: and it won't in yours either. Yeah, and it doesn't 857 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 2: in anyone's whoever's life. We think it looks perfect in 858 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 2: is a myth. 859 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Sometimes you get upset, like if you get like 860 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: you're like a guy who's like not allowed to get upset, 861 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: like something happens like it's you know, I find that what. 862 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 2: Do you know, Benny, what are you trying to say? 863 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 864 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 2: No. 865 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: I find sometimes in work, like you know, when you 866 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 1: get to the top of like your field, people are 867 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: only expecting like a perfect wreck. Like like if you're like, 868 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: say you're like Lebron James, Like if you don't have 869 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: if you score like twenty instead of like forty in 870 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: the game, they're like, oh, what's happening in Lebron? 871 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 2: You know? 872 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: And it's this like it's this pressure that I know 873 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: exists for people, and I just wanted to know. 874 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 2: No. No, I definitely have felt that pressure, and I 875 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 2: think I've removed it from myself. That's what I realized 876 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 2: that Ultimately, it was a pressure I was putting on myself. 877 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 2: It wasn't actually from anyone else. It was me thinking 878 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 2: whereas if I was just honest and transparent and authentic 879 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 2: with people, then all of a sudden, the pressure is off. Yeah, 880 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 2: and I can also be a human because I am one. Yeah, 881 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 2: And I think I think there's so much more of 882 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 2: a joy in embracing our imperfections and flaws and recognizing 883 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 2: that it's even with coaching people by doing I'm sure 884 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 2: you fill this with music, Like when you work with 885 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 2: a artist to produce their album is like what I 886 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 2: do with coaching clients. So coaching clients come to me 887 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 2: and say, hey, can we solve this problem whatever else? 888 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 2: And maybe someone's coming to you saying, hey, Bennie, can 889 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 2: you make this album with me? And before I used 890 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 2: to think, God, if I don't say something profound in 891 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 2: the first hour of meeting someone, then they're not going 892 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 2: to think I'm worthy or valuable. And I started to 893 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 2: realize I was like that blocked me from saying something worthy. 894 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 2: It didn't allow me to be a channel or a vessel. 895 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 2: I was now forcing some manufactured version. And even if 896 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 2: I did, now, I was just setting myself up for 897 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 2: more pressure every time we met, rather than just having 898 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 2: a flowing exchange with someone. How do you feel like 899 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 2: when an artist comes and says, Hey, Bennie, I want 900 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 2: you to produce my whole album. Where was the time 901 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 2: it switched from pressure to just flow. 902 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: I never had pressure because I don't care, because I 903 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: treat every experience, like I'll be like this. You know, 904 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,280 Speaker 1: some people when you get in the studio there's something, 905 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 1: or you're a TV set or you're on here, they're 906 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: just like, Oh, we got to get it all. We 907 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: have to get this done today. We have to. For me, 908 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: I'm just as happy if we were to come in, 909 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: Like if I came into this podcast today and you're like, hey, 910 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like the equipment's not working, then I'd be like, Oh, 911 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: let's just like chill, walk around your thing, because that's 912 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: what was meant to happen that day. And I'm not 913 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: stressing because you know what, eventually we'll get like an interviewer, 914 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: Eventually we'll get a song or you know. I I'm 915 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: a big like procrastinator in work, Like when someone comes over, 916 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, you like to eat? What do you want 917 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 1: to eat? You want to eat something? All all that 918 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: stuff is part of it. It's part of what's gonna 919 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: happen later, you know what I'm saying. Or you like, 920 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: let's say you have a client someone like you're trying 921 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: to get to the bottom or the root of a problem. 922 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to disarm them and get them to chill. 923 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's not gonna happen through anything else. 924 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 2: What's your do you have? Do you have a setup 925 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 2: process for every person or do you really go with 926 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 2: the flow with each individual. 927 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,240 Speaker 1: This stuff got caffeine in it. 928 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 2: It has natural caffeine from tea. 929 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: I'll take a sip of it. Yeah it's green tea. 930 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: Green Tea's really caffeinated, right. 931 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not. 932 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: You drink caffeine. 933 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 2: I only in the tea form. 934 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: Only in the tea form. Yeah, yeah, I don't only 935 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: in the tea form. 936 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 2: As in, like I drink ubble tea and I drink 937 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 2: this tea, but I don't. That's good, thanks man, appreciate it. 938 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 2: My wife and I put it together. So natural. 939 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: Go buy his drink. How do you come up with 940 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 1: the name? 941 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 2: It stands for just you and I. So its a 942 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 2: way of trying to bring people together through sharing a moment. 943 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 2: How's caffeine hitting? Is that right? 944 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 1: I'm taking him little little. I don't drink caffeine. 945 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, neither do I apart from tea. 946 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't drink. I don't drink. I'm not 947 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: like a caffeine person. I wake up and I'm like 948 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: ready to rip me too. I wake up, I like 949 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: pop out of bed, wake up early? Yeah yeah, like 950 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: uh six usually six ten to six thirty. 951 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. What gets you in the creative zone? Like you 952 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 2: always like cook it? Let's let's talk about open wide 953 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 2: for a second. Like creativity. I think people look at 954 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 2: you and they think, oh, he's musically creative, but then 955 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 2: the rest of his life must be. But no, it's 956 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 2: like your creative and cooking your creative and music obviously 957 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 2: to my relationships can be creative too, Like is it 958 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 2: just something that was cooking always a passion? 959 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like do you cook it all or no? 960 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 2: So I'm the exact opposite cooking kitchens and cooking scares me. 961 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 2: My wife is a plant based chef and recipe development. 962 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: Really, oh my god, this is all she does? What 963 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: has she always cooked? 964 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 2: Yes? Oh my god, she's loved it since she was 965 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 2: and she's a dietician in nutrition is what's her name? 966 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 2: Roddy Roddy's name r A d hr Roddy and okay, okay. 967 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta see it. Yeah, I'm obsessed 968 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: with all that. One of my friends, uh, the person 969 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: who I wrote my book with her name is Jess. 970 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: She has like a she's predominantly like a plant based chef, 971 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: sure for Martha Stewart for years and she's incredible, And 972 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: I I, it's funny, like my books are always crazy 973 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: for I eat very healthy unless I'm being like a 974 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: naughty boy. 975 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,799 Speaker 2: What's what's noisy? How bad? 976 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 1: Oh? Naughty is like you wake up and there's crumbs 977 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: and glaze all over you don't even know what it is. 978 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 1: But mostly I'm I'm I'm pretty. I'm like during during 979 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: the week, you know, because I lost a lot of weight. 980 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: I lost like fifty pounds consciously, yes, uh yeah, yeah, yeah, 981 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, honestly, at the beginning, I was going into 982 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: a weight loss challenge because my brother gained a bunch 983 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: of weight. And then when I went and we like 984 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: did the DESA scan thing, I was thirty three percent 985 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: body fat and I was like, am I fat? And 986 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: I just didn't even I didn't even know that I 987 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: was being, you know, unhealthy. And then like that's when 988 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: I started working out and I got obsessed with it, 989 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: and it was like I wasn't necessarily trying to lose weight, 990 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,240 Speaker 1: but then like once I did, I was like, whoa 991 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: this is cool and I'm one of those people. Now, 992 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: Like when I lost the first weight, it wasn't trying 993 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,320 Speaker 1: to lose weight, it was just like trying to be healthy. 994 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 1: And then I felt like the feeling every time I 995 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 1: went to the gym, I was like, whoa, I have 996 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: no anxiety like after this and I'm not thinking about 997 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: anything else except like what's happening. And that was very 998 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: rare for me. So I was like, I gotta chase 999 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: this feeling. And then now I like, you know, me 1000 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: and my friends we do like little like weight loss challenges. 1001 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: We're like, okay, whoever can lose the most weight and 1002 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 1: like one month or whoever can do this. I just 1003 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,439 Speaker 1: like to I like to challenge my comfort zone. 1004 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1005 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: I like to just like push myself in any way possible. 1006 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,279 Speaker 1: But yeah, no I eat. I eat like I do. 1007 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: You eat pretty healthy? 1008 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, very well. 1009 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:20,959 Speaker 1: Because of her. 1010 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,880 Speaker 2: Because of her, she'd be like before I met her 1011 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 2: was la Pizzas midnight burgus. So that's my favorite. 1012 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,800 Speaker 1: What do you guys eating? What'd you eat today? 1013 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 2: What did I have in the morning? I had like 1014 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 2: avocado mushroom toast in the morning, And did you make 1015 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 2: it or she did no, no, no, she did. 1016 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 1: So if she's not in town, do you. 1017 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,760 Speaker 2: Ordering I'm ordering in by I'm ordering healthy. 1018 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: You're ordering healthy because you're scared she might be filming, you. 1019 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,879 Speaker 2: Know, yeah exactly. That's actually say. I'll say to my team, 1020 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 2: I'll be like, guys, just you know, let's order this 1021 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 2: because my wife's all right, yeah, you'll be a little 1022 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 2: not She's been a good influence on me because before 1023 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 2: I met her, I was addicted to sugar, like I 1024 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 2: was addicted to chocolates. People have that. I had a 1025 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 2: message because my mom. 1026 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have this. I don't have the sweet too. 1027 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 2: That's lucky, man. 1028 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: I'm much rather like a huge slice of bread or 1029 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: a taco, like I really like like one bite of 1030 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: a dessert like I always want. My wife does I 1031 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 1: always want one bite like at the end of the day, 1032 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: like I always have like a date or something, or 1033 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 1: like a piece of fruit, like I love that, But 1034 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: like I don't like the I don't know, like occasionally 1035 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 1: like a cookie or something if it's not too sweet. 1036 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: I don't like really sweet things. They make my stomach hurt. 1037 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 1: Like so I like there's a few, like I like, 1038 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: what's that thing? When it's uh, it's like meringue Pavlova 1039 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: because it's not too sweet and it's like light Pavlova 1040 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,080 Speaker 1: makes me. 1041 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 2: How did you cub your cravings? Things you love? Like 1042 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 2: when you're doing a challenge, how do you cub your crava? 1043 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,319 Speaker 1: Just shut it off? I love I love like I 1044 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: love a challenge, just any challenge. If someone's like, I 1045 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: bet you can't walk twenty five miles right now, I'm like, yes, 1046 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,280 Speaker 1: I can, and I'll do it, like I just love 1047 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: I love that feeling of doing something. And they do 1048 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 1: it with my friends. I work out with my friend. 1049 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 1: If I didn't have a trainer, I only pay. The 1050 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 1: only reason I see a trainer is because I'm so 1051 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,720 Speaker 1: crazy that I was would be like, oh, I can't 1052 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: waste the money, like so I gotta go. But if 1053 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: I if it was just up to me, I wouldn't 1054 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,359 Speaker 1: do it. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't be able 1055 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: to do it. It's just that someone's you know, or 1056 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: my friends are like, let's go to the gym. We 1057 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 1: gotta go together, and we work out together, and I like, 1058 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,279 Speaker 1: you know, coming back to food. I like anything. I 1059 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: love community. I love hosting. I love, like there's there's 1060 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: nothing better to me than like creating like an experience 1061 00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,840 Speaker 1: for people. I don't care what the medium is, Like 1062 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 1: creating some experience where like when someone leaves, they're just 1063 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 1: like whoa, and they're telling all their friends and like 1064 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 1: for me, it's it's just like you're you know, this 1065 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,120 Speaker 1: is like uh, looking to give someone an orgasm face 1066 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 1: at all times, like every moment like it, because that's 1067 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,759 Speaker 1: what it is. It's when you when someone tastes your food, 1068 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 1: they just like open their mouth and they put in 1069 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,440 Speaker 1: You just want them to be like like you just 1070 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: want that feeling that when someone plays a song, you 1071 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,759 Speaker 1: want them to be like, oh my god, that thing 1072 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,320 Speaker 1: is crazy. You know, like after you like change someone's 1073 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 1: life and they can do a meditation where they can 1074 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 1: like put their leg behind their head, they're just like, oh, 1075 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 1: thank you, you brought me to a higher sense of being. 1076 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,800 Speaker 1: Like it's it's that's what we're looking for, yes, And 1077 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,879 Speaker 1: and I'm always looking to make my friends happy. I'm 1078 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,239 Speaker 1: always you know, if someone comes to my house and 1079 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,360 Speaker 1: they have like, you know, a hamburger and they're like, 1080 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,600 Speaker 1: I love this. This is my favorite hamburger. I know that, 1081 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,759 Speaker 1: so then I'm thinking, like the next time they come to, like, oh, 1082 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,839 Speaker 1: I'm going to like make sure they have that for them. 1083 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: And you know, my grandma when I was a kid, 1084 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 1: one of my grandma's she you know, she she was 1085 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: not wealthy by any means. She grew up in it, 1086 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,920 Speaker 1: like you know. She her place was in Section eight 1087 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: housing and we would go visit her, and she had 1088 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,879 Speaker 1: a lot of grandkids. And if we went over there 1089 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,640 Speaker 1: and one time we like had a junie and we 1090 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 1: were like, we love this. It would be there every 1091 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,360 Speaker 1: time they ever went. And she had so many grandkids, 1092 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,320 Speaker 1: so everyone had every single thing, and she would she would, 1093 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,879 Speaker 1: you know, she wouldn't eat for the week to make 1094 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: sure that like everyone had their things, and because it 1095 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,000 Speaker 1: made her so happy the joy she would have when 1096 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,000 Speaker 1: everyone was coming in and all the things were there. 1097 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 1: We'd be like, oh, she has this. And and that's 1098 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: what I like to do. And I love to create, 1099 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,840 Speaker 1: like whether it's like the perfect napkin, the perfect like meal, 1100 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,360 Speaker 1: the perfect music playing at the same time, like you know, 1101 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,920 Speaker 1: And that's what I did with this book. I was 1102 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: like trying to teach people how to have like the 1103 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,360 Speaker 1: perfect dinner party. That's because I was like, Okay, you 1104 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: know some people, they might not know what to do, 1105 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,000 Speaker 1: Like you're nervous in the kitchen. This book is gonna 1106 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,800 Speaker 1: make it so like surefire away. You want something easy 1107 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,800 Speaker 1: that looks good, great, you want to have a dinner party, 1108 00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,919 Speaker 1: Like do you know what type of wine to serve? 1109 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you want to smoke weed with 1110 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,440 Speaker 1: your people? Does weed make you anxious? Who knows? Is 1111 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,360 Speaker 1: it midnight and you want everyone to leave because you 1112 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,319 Speaker 1: got to wake up at five point thirty the next day, 1113 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,919 Speaker 1: but you still want them to love you. I'm gonna 1114 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 1: teach you how to kick them out, you know. And 1115 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 1: it's just like I love that. It's that whole thing. 1116 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 1: And it's just like that moment of just like getting 1117 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: a bunch of people together. And I love getting to 1118 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,279 Speaker 1: people together that don't necessarily go together. And it's like 1119 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 1: someone is like a musician and they're sitting next to 1120 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,560 Speaker 1: a man who wrote a book. And I mean one 1121 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,400 Speaker 1: time we were at my house and I remember I 1122 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:40,239 Speaker 1: was my mother was sitting here, and Sissa was sitting here, 1123 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,560 Speaker 1: and a man on the other side actually makes rocket 1124 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 1: chips that go to space. And to me, it was 1125 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,799 Speaker 1: just so cool to see them all talking and not 1126 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,839 Speaker 1: caring about, you know, what was going on, and there 1127 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,440 Speaker 1: was no egos and there was everyone's just having a 1128 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: good time. And food is like the best social lubricant 1129 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 1: in the world because it's like you can immediately talk 1130 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,880 Speaker 1: about something you're like, oh, you like food. It's just 1131 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,160 Speaker 1: like the automatic conversation starter. 1132 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, next time you come over, we're gonna have 1133 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,319 Speaker 2: to do food for sure. Because yeah, that's it's a 1134 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,720 Speaker 2: big love language for my wife. She loves she always 1135 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 2: that's her love language. I want to cook, she wants 1136 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 2: to Yeah, you guys would have you guys would have 1137 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 2: a blush. She loves cooking and creating recipes. And also 1138 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,600 Speaker 2: same with you create community. And it's actually funny to 1139 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 2: say that. I'm trying to think of a book that 1140 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,239 Speaker 2: you just reminded me of that was based on a 1141 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 2: restaurant that did that and they recently converted it. It became 1142 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 2: a eleven Madison Park in New York, and it was 1143 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,319 Speaker 2: a restaurant that tried to give that level of care 1144 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 2: and that you feel in a home. Yeah, and so 1145 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,919 Speaker 2: open wide your book. I loved I love that it's 1146 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,440 Speaker 2: not just a cookbook. I love that. It's it's to 1147 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,560 Speaker 2: build community and had all of that, because I think 1148 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,400 Speaker 2: that's what people miss out on, right. We think that 1149 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,520 Speaker 2: hosting is about all the fancy stuff, and it's like, 1150 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:52,359 Speaker 2: it isn't it. 1151 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: It's not about any of that the food. You know. 1152 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,400 Speaker 1: My godfather always said this thing. He would always say, 1153 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, and when I was a kid, I never 1154 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,480 Speaker 1: even understood it, but I so understand it now. He 1155 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: always used to say, we'd always figure out where we 1156 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,359 Speaker 1: were going to dinner, and he goes, it doesn't matter, 1157 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,040 Speaker 1: it's about the rap and now, and and we were like, 1158 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,759 Speaker 1: what do you mean. He's like, it's just about the rap. 1159 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,280 Speaker 1: He's like, the only thing, it's just to get everyone together. 1160 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,480 Speaker 1: If the food's great, that's awesome. But it's about hanging 1161 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,800 Speaker 1: with your friends, laughing till you cry, you know, falling 1162 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,600 Speaker 1: in love with someone, fall you know. I've I've had 1163 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 1: the opportunity to have dinners where like so many things 1164 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,800 Speaker 1: have happened to people. You know, someone's found the person 1165 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,720 Speaker 1: they date, somebody's you know, started a company, somebody's laughed 1166 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,640 Speaker 1: so hard they cry, you know, and it's that's that's 1167 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,600 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do. And I love you. Do 1168 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,520 Speaker 1: you ever you have dinners with people and. 1169 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,480 Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite things as well. 1170 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my favorite thing to do. I don't want 1171 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:46,799 Speaker 1: to go out to a night club. No, I want 1172 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,839 Speaker 1: to like sit at home with my friends till two 1173 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,719 Speaker 1: in the morning. Well, for you, you can't do that. 1174 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,000 Speaker 2: I can do that. I can do that. 1175 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 1: Now what happens? What happens if you stay up late? 1176 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,759 Speaker 1: Do you just sell? But you can bust? 1177 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,360 Speaker 2: No, man, I can stand when you choose not to 1178 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,720 Speaker 2: always do it because I love sleep. 1179 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: Okay, when you were out uh late this week? And 1180 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,279 Speaker 1: what time? What time were you out? 1181 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably probably get in the bedroom one or two? 1182 00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: Okay? And you and you then what time do you 1183 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,000 Speaker 1: sleep till? Oh? 1184 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,640 Speaker 2: No, that the problem was I was still waking up 1185 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,719 Speaker 2: because my buddy cloaks. So why that I was wake 1186 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:15,520 Speaker 2: up at the same time. 1187 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 1: No matter what I wake up at, like six in 1188 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: the morning, that's what matter. When I go to bed. Yeah, 1189 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 1: I don't go to bed as early as you though. Yeah, 1190 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm like if in my dream world, I go to 1191 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,120 Speaker 1: bed at like eleven thirty twelve, and then I wake 1192 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,759 Speaker 1: up at in real world six, six thirty and then 1193 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,000 Speaker 1: on the weekends. I really don't sleep a lot, but 1194 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: I don't need a ton of sleep. But I know, 1195 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're going to say that's terrible. 1196 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,759 Speaker 2: For no, not to man, I'm not going to say 1197 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:37,399 Speaker 2: anything terrible. 1198 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,640 Speaker 1: Its for your works, but you should I should be 1199 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:40,680 Speaker 1: getting more sleep, right. 1200 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,319 Speaker 2: I mean, scientists say seven to nine hours a day. 1201 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,520 Speaker 1: What else do scientists exactly? 1202 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,319 Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's I mean, that's what I'm said. 1203 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,000 Speaker 2: I but yeah, my whole I need a I know 1204 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 2: I need a and I can survive on I can 1205 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,040 Speaker 2: do fine. Then six, well, five I love, like six 1206 00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 2: and a half is my life is a sweet one. 1207 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, chef's kiss. Anything over seven I feel strain. 1208 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,840 Speaker 2: That's good though, but then don't follow it seven, like, 1209 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,600 Speaker 2: don't push it. I think that's a big part of 1210 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,160 Speaker 2: it too. Right, So my wife talks a lot about this, 1211 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,720 Speaker 2: this idea of being able to listen to your body, 1212 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,719 Speaker 2: and I feel like so many of us are like, God, 1213 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 2: I gotta wake up at five thirty now because Jay 1214 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,560 Speaker 2: said he wakes up at five thirty, Or I gotta 1215 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,839 Speaker 2: wake up at four because Elon Musk wakes up at 1216 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,880 Speaker 2: four or you know, Benny said he wakes up at 1217 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,920 Speaker 2: six tens. You know, so whatever it is. And it's like, well, 1218 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,719 Speaker 2: creativity is not based on those things. That's just what 1219 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,319 Speaker 2: works for your body and your mind is what works 1220 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,759 Speaker 2: for my body on my mind. So I think, you know, 1221 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,759 Speaker 2: but you seem to have a lot of like not 1222 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,440 Speaker 2: just community, but you seem to have like a lot 1223 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,719 Speaker 2: of the same people around you, loyal friends like that 1224 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,040 Speaker 2: seemed to be a big part of your How have 1225 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,040 Speaker 2: you continue to be able to build that as you 1226 00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,680 Speaker 2: grow and make it? It sounds like all your friends love 1227 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,840 Speaker 2: challenges and growth, because a lot of people who are 1228 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,919 Speaker 2: listening sometimes feel their friends are not wanting to grow, 1229 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,440 Speaker 2: They're not wanting to try new things. 1230 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: But it's so fun you do it. Some people have 1231 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,440 Speaker 1: pushed to that, and some people have pushed me in 1232 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,719 Speaker 1: other ways, and like that's the that's that's what it's 1233 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,120 Speaker 1: all about, you know. To me, I've just had some 1234 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,719 Speaker 1: of my friends for so long because it's hard to 1235 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,600 Speaker 1: find people that are on your and I think it's 1236 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,319 Speaker 1: harder and harder as you get older. You know, a 1237 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,759 Speaker 1: lot of my friends, most of my friends I knew 1238 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:16,040 Speaker 1: since I was young, and then I have like, you know, 1239 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,240 Speaker 1: like a new friend for me is like five years. 1240 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,120 Speaker 1: Like I'd be like, I'd be like, whoa, yeah, this 1241 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,720 Speaker 1: is like one of my new friends. Like most of 1242 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,480 Speaker 1: my friends are eight, ten, twenty. Yeah. Do they live 1243 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 1: in the city too or all different places? Some of 1244 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,520 Speaker 1: my friends are like some of my friends have very 1245 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,840 Speaker 1: regular jobs, and and you know, some of them I 1246 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,680 Speaker 1: only get to see once or twice a year in 1247 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 1: person because of their job. You know, my friend was 1248 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,760 Speaker 1: just out here. He comes every year for you know, 1249 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,520 Speaker 1: like a month and a half towards the end of 1250 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,920 Speaker 1: the year because he's a therapist and he works, you know, 1251 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,760 Speaker 1: in Virginia and he can't really travel that much. So 1252 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,160 Speaker 1: then we get to see each other then. And then 1253 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 1: you know, my other friend, his wife is becoming a 1254 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,200 Speaker 1: doctor and they've had to have residencies and all these 1255 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,600 Speaker 1: other places, and he works for like Capital one or something, 1256 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,560 Speaker 1: and he we don't get to see each other in 1257 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,040 Speaker 1: person very often, but when we do, it's like we 1258 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,080 Speaker 1: saw each other yesterday, you know, and we talk all 1259 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,520 Speaker 1: the time. And then some of my friends are in 1260 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,520 Speaker 1: the same world as me, so they get it. Some 1261 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,920 Speaker 1: of them are in entertainment, and I just love bringing 1262 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 1: My friend group is very eclectic, Like it's like all 1263 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,600 Speaker 1: different types of people, and I love putting people that 1264 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,919 Speaker 1: wondn't normally be in a room together in a room 1265 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: to see what happen. 1266 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,600 Speaker 2: What's the randomness too? Is it the person building walkeet 1267 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,200 Speaker 2: ships and then your mom and then Sissy. 1268 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,760 Speaker 1: It's just like people, you know. It's very common for 1269 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,120 Speaker 1: me to go out to dinner and have like one 1270 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 1: person be twenty two and then the next person be 1271 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,320 Speaker 1: like seventy, and that's not and having it not be 1272 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,960 Speaker 1: someone's mom or dad, like having it just be someone 1273 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,680 Speaker 1: that's my friends, you know. And because I've met so many, 1274 00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm very interested in people and I love I love 1275 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,680 Speaker 1: meeting creative people, whether that means they're creative professionally, whether 1276 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,240 Speaker 1: creative in their mind, whether they you know. Yeah, I 1277 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,160 Speaker 1: just love I love that feeling of getting into a 1278 00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:14,320 Speaker 1: conversation with someone. 1279 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I also think multi generational friendships are so powerful, 1280 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,240 Speaker 2: Like I was talking to someone about that, Like me 1281 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,080 Speaker 2: and my wife have a couple friend of us and 1282 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,880 Speaker 2: they're in their late sixties and they're some of our 1283 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,800 Speaker 2: favorite people that hang out with like, I feel like 1284 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 2: I learned so much, I grow so much again, so 1285 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,320 Speaker 2: much perspective. They've lived thirty years more life than I have. 1286 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,760 Speaker 2: And I think that's it's so interesting how we may 1287 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 2: spend time without parents, but we're not necessarily having friends 1288 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,960 Speaker 2: that are in a different decade of their life. But 1289 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,960 Speaker 2: how powerful it can be to be with someone. 1290 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,320 Speaker 1: A lot of people don't even know their parents like that, 1291 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,120 Speaker 1: Like even if you're like close with your parents, like like, 1292 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,640 Speaker 1: how close are you with your mom? 1293 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,560 Speaker 2: I'm pretty close to them, okay. 1294 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,600 Speaker 1: But like you don't know, there's so many things you 1295 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,919 Speaker 1: don't know about her, Like you don't know like how 1296 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,120 Speaker 1: she felt the first time she got her heart broken. 1297 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,280 Speaker 1: You don't know, like if she ever cheated on someone, 1298 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,919 Speaker 1: like you don't like Sometimes I for me, I'll sit 1299 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,520 Speaker 1: my mom down and I just ask her, Like every 1300 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, what drugs have you taken? And I'm like, 1301 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,040 Speaker 1: how did it make you feel? Because my parents got divorced, 1302 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,520 Speaker 1: I was like, how did you know you wanted to 1303 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,440 Speaker 1: get divorced? What did you feel? And I always I 1304 01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,480 Speaker 1: try to do that because one of my friends started 1305 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,680 Speaker 1: recording his dad when his dad got sick and he 1306 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,360 Speaker 1: asked him every question you ever wanted to ask him, 1307 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,600 Speaker 1: because it is so crazy you're so close to this 1308 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,960 Speaker 1: person that you really don't know, like you really like, 1309 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,440 Speaker 1: we really don't even know our parents that well because 1310 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,040 Speaker 1: you don't, you don't ask them those type of things 1311 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,400 Speaker 1: and no one does. Like, And it's also that time 1312 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,040 Speaker 1: where I remember, like your parent's gospel is just like 1313 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,160 Speaker 1: the end all be all when you're a kid, and 1314 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,880 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you're like fifteen or sixteen, 1315 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: you're like, wait, you're just a human. That was a 1316 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,800 Speaker 1: mess up on you. You just lied, like I caught 1317 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,840 Speaker 1: you in that lie. But like until you're like fifteen 1318 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,880 Speaker 1: or sixteen or something, you can't even fathom that, and 1319 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,400 Speaker 1: then like you realize it's cool. I'm so thankful that 1320 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,720 Speaker 1: I get to, like, you know, talk to my parents 1321 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,240 Speaker 1: and my family now like as an adult and be like, Yo, 1322 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,520 Speaker 1: what were you feeling like like when you went through this, 1323 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 1: and like how did you raise us like that? And 1324 01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,080 Speaker 1: is it so hard to do this? And it's cool? 1325 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,520 Speaker 1: I like that feeling. 1326 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did something similar a few years ago. I 1327 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,040 Speaker 2: felt that way with the podcast, where I was like 1328 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,479 Speaker 2: learning about people I'd never met and so we were 1329 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,320 Speaker 2: celebrating my sister's thirtieth birptist. Who's me, my mom and 1330 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,200 Speaker 2: my sister, my younger sister, and I just started interviewing 1331 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,320 Speaker 2: my mom at dinner and there was no we didn't 1332 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,240 Speaker 2: record it. It was just us three and I learned 1333 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,840 Speaker 2: so much. So my mom was studying for her exams 1334 01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,120 Speaker 2: while because she was born and raised in Yemen, while 1335 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,120 Speaker 2: there were Yemeny soldiers fighting British soldiers on her roof, 1336 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,600 Speaker 2: like you know, and I was like, I had no idea, 1337 01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,080 Speaker 2: and she just casually drops that as if it's like no, 1338 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,160 Speaker 2: And I'm like, Mom, you've realized that's not normal. 1339 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,480 Speaker 1: You should interview your mind. 1340 01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,800 Speaker 2: You need to end everything about it. It's been it's 1341 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:06,560 Speaker 2: been on my mind. 1342 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,000 Speaker 1: Interviewing your family is so crazy. 1343 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're right, and I think everyone I would 1344 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,880 Speaker 2: love to do it because I want everyone to do it. 1345 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,880 Speaker 2: My wife was my first have a guest on the show. 1346 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,200 Speaker 2: Really yeah, yeah, because that was a big part of 1347 01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,120 Speaker 2: it for me. It was like, I feel like, you're 1348 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:23,400 Speaker 2: so right. We don't really deeply know our family. We 1349 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,760 Speaker 2: think we know them, Yeah, we think we know them. 1350 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:26,880 Speaker 2: We assume that we know them. 1351 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to do this thing on my uh well, 1352 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,160 Speaker 1: I still do it on all of my albums, where 1353 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,920 Speaker 1: like the last song on my album has like a 1354 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:42,200 Speaker 1: spoken word section of it's like over instrumental of each 1355 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,560 Speaker 1: person in my family and so far. I did my 1356 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,360 Speaker 1: mom and my dad and I asked them all these questions, 1357 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,280 Speaker 1: and it's crazy to know because I basically I asked 1358 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,200 Speaker 1: them questions for like an hour and then I take 1359 01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:02,360 Speaker 1: like the best like thirty seconds, and it was both 1360 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:08,800 Speaker 1: my parents wound up talking the most about like their divorce, 1361 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,160 Speaker 1: and it was like so interesting to see both sides 1362 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,520 Speaker 1: of it because I have now forever in time, I 1363 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,200 Speaker 1: have my mom's version and my dad's version. And then 1364 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,280 Speaker 1: like I just you know, I'm putting out a new 1365 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,840 Speaker 1: album and I interviewed my brother for his version of 1366 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,120 Speaker 1: it now and it's. 1367 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,160 Speaker 2: Like that's beautiful. 1368 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. It's fun, and it's like, you know, 1369 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 1: it's emotional, and it's like, whoa, it's cool to hear 1370 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,480 Speaker 1: both sides of everyone's side of an event. 1371 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,200 Speaker 2: What did you? Yeah, I think you're so right, because yeah, 1372 01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,480 Speaker 2: we often think there's only one truth in one story 1373 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,600 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden there's three, And what 1374 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,480 Speaker 2: was the biggest thing you learned from hearing your mom 1375 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,320 Speaker 2: and dad's version of divorce? Like, what was something that 1376 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,120 Speaker 2: surprised you something you were like, wow, I did not 1377 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,440 Speaker 2: recognize that when I was growing up. 1378 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:55,440 Speaker 1: I think that it made them both better people to 1379 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,880 Speaker 1: get out of the relationship. And I think like, at 1380 01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,640 Speaker 1: first it seemed like my parents were not fans of 1381 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,480 Speaker 1: each other. At first it was like crazy, but now 1382 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,200 Speaker 1: they're friends. I mean they haven't been married for you know, 1383 01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,800 Speaker 1: twenty something years, but but yeah, now we all like 1384 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,600 Speaker 1: go to dinner together and like go on vacation. But 1385 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't always that way, and it's it's 1386 01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,040 Speaker 1: cool to see like where it started to where it 1387 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,200 Speaker 1: is now. And I do think like me and my 1388 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:32,200 Speaker 1: brother like we're a big like our success was like 1389 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,800 Speaker 1: a big catalyst on getting like everyone together because it 1390 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,480 Speaker 1: forced us to get together. And then no, it's cool. 1391 01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:43,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, yo, life is so crazy, like the 1392 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,680 Speaker 1: way you know, the way you meet people and the 1393 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,480 Speaker 1: way people come in and out of your life. And 1394 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,560 Speaker 1: someone you may not even like really know, could become 1395 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,080 Speaker 1: like your wife or someone like that's like you despise 1396 01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,160 Speaker 1: could become your best friend, and it's just it's very 1397 01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:02,400 Speaker 1: interesting how how life plays out. And I find that 1398 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,640 Speaker 1: more and more as I get older. And my mom 1399 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,760 Speaker 1: always used to be like, should be like, you know, 1400 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,240 Speaker 1: when you get older, you're gonna and I used to 1401 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,160 Speaker 1: be like, what are you taught? But it's so true, 1402 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,520 Speaker 1: just like over and over again, I'm learning something new 1403 01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:16,280 Speaker 1: every day. 1404 01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's so true, man, Benny. I could talk 1405 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,400 Speaker 2: to you for hours, genuinely, like we could go on 1406 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,560 Speaker 2: and on and on, but I wanted to make sure 1407 01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,440 Speaker 2: is there anything that we haven't talked about before we 1408 01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,120 Speaker 2: go to the final five, which is the way we 1409 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,080 Speaker 2: end in the interviews. Is anything we haven't talked about 1410 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,040 Speaker 2: that you've really wanted to touch on that's on your 1411 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:32,480 Speaker 2: heart or mind or something. 1412 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,680 Speaker 1: That what's your five thing? What's that you that? 1413 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, we can do that. 1414 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:36,160 Speaker 1: We'll start with that. 1415 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,960 Speaker 2: It's a final five that we end every interview with 1416 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 2: of all time, and that same questions. It's the same, well, 1417 01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,520 Speaker 2: same four questions. One of them I usually play with, 1418 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,480 Speaker 2: same three or four questions and one of them I 1419 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,720 Speaker 2: usually play with for the person, and uh, these are 1420 01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,520 Speaker 2: your final five. They have to be answered in one 1421 01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,400 Speaker 2: word to one sentence maximum Oh my god. Yeah, and 1422 01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,080 Speaker 2: then I may ask you to go on because I 1423 01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,360 Speaker 2: usually break my rule. But okay, here we go, all right, 1424 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,520 Speaker 2: Benny Balcot, these are your final five. So the first 1425 01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,480 Speaker 2: question is what is the best advice you've ever heard 1426 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:06,080 Speaker 2: or received? 1427 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,000 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to fail? 1428 01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,160 Speaker 2: Who told you and how have you practiced it? 1429 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,400 Speaker 1: I can't remember who told me, but someone did tell you. Yeah. 1430 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,520 Speaker 1: It wasn't something that no, no, no, somebody told me it. 1431 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:21,400 Speaker 1: But I will tell you this. I always say this 1432 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,080 Speaker 1: this summer because people come up to me all the 1433 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,080 Speaker 1: time and they're just like, oh man, you don't miss 1434 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,520 Speaker 1: you did this, you did that. And I'll talk to someone. 1435 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,080 Speaker 1: You know. One of my friends was going through a 1436 01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,520 Speaker 1: hard time recently. It was like his first failures, and 1437 01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,680 Speaker 1: I remember talking to him and I said, I said, 1438 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,720 Speaker 1: you don't think I've failed a million times. I said, 1439 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,800 Speaker 1: you look at someone like Michael Jordan. Okay, he's taking 1440 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,160 Speaker 1: like so many shots, He's missed so many shots. Do 1441 01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,920 Speaker 1: you remember any of those? No, you remember him swishing 1442 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,520 Speaker 1: it and walking back with his tongue out. Nobody's sitting 1443 01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,440 Speaker 1: there being like, uh, jay, I saw that you know 1444 01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,840 Speaker 1: back in like two zousand and eight that rap career 1445 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,440 Speaker 1: didn't really work out for you. No, they're like, Jay, Wow, 1446 01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,520 Speaker 1: every get you got Michelle Obama on you. So I 1447 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:11,160 Speaker 1: always tell people like, it doesn't it doesn't matter, don't 1448 01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,600 Speaker 1: be afraid to fail. Nobody's even gonna remember it. There's 1449 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,960 Speaker 1: only and if someone's literally tallying your failures, they're psycho. 1450 01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I said, yeah, No one remembers the missing. No, 1451 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,840 Speaker 2: no one remembers the missing. If you keep going, yeah, 1452 01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,080 Speaker 2: if you stop at the miss, but you gotta keep going, 1453 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,200 Speaker 2: you gotta keep going. A question on the two, what 1454 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,520 Speaker 2: is the worst advice you've ever had or received. 1455 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:35,680 Speaker 1: I was going around playing my music for people, and 1456 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,840 Speaker 1: I had just switched my style up because I used 1457 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,720 Speaker 1: to make I like, originally made music that sounded like 1458 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,920 Speaker 1: I was copying Timbaland, sounded like I was copying Pharrell, 1459 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,760 Speaker 1: sounded like I was trying to be someone else. And 1460 01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:53,080 Speaker 1: I remember I had just made music that didn't sound 1461 01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,480 Speaker 1: like anything. It sounded so weird, it was so different. 1462 01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't like what was going on. I remember I 1463 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: went into a meeting and someone's like, nobody makes music 1464 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,240 Speaker 1: like this. They're like you gotta you gotta fit in more, 1465 01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,400 Speaker 1: like and that just like made me go the opposite way. 1466 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,400 Speaker 1: Then I was like, now I know I gotta do 1467 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,800 Speaker 1: the crazy stuff because at least I just want someone 1468 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,880 Speaker 1: when I used to go in and play music for 1469 01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,400 Speaker 1: them to be like, I've never heard anything like this, 1470 01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,680 Speaker 1: Like this is so weird. This is not gonna work, 1471 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:26,720 Speaker 1: because that's when everyone likes something. Usually that means it's 1472 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,080 Speaker 1: not gonna work. You know, when when some people are 1473 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,360 Speaker 1: unsure about something, that's when it's usually gonna work. So 1474 01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, someone told me to fit in more 1475 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:35,760 Speaker 1: and I didn't really vibe with that. 1476 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,439 Speaker 2: That's that's a great answer. I think it's so interesting. 1477 01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,600 Speaker 2: When you're young, everyone tells you to fit in, and 1478 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,240 Speaker 2: when you get older, everyone says stand out. Yeah, it's like, 1479 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,160 Speaker 2: well wait a minute, I have to wear uniform coming 1480 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:47,640 Speaker 2: on time, and now all of a sudden, I've got 1481 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,920 Speaker 2: to find who I am. Yeah, and it's such your 1482 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,400 Speaker 2: contradiction of course. Yeah, that's great. On two, all right, 1483 01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,400 Speaker 2: Question number three, what's something that you used to value 1484 01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,680 Speaker 2: that you no longer value success? 1485 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:04,960 Speaker 1: Are you to really care about getting that number one song? 1486 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,599 Speaker 1: Getting that thing and I feel like I I feel 1487 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,800 Speaker 1: like I did everything I wanted to do, and now 1488 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,519 Speaker 1: I feel like everything's like the cherry on top of 1489 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,360 Speaker 1: the Sunday now. So I'm just having so much fun 1490 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,840 Speaker 1: trying new things, and of course I want them to 1491 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,280 Speaker 1: be successful and stuff, but like I don't have I 1492 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,920 Speaker 1: and I do still like work and have a drive 1493 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,280 Speaker 1: and want to do it, but I want to do 1494 01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,960 Speaker 1: it more for me and less for like other people. 1495 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,479 Speaker 1: I used to want to do it because I was 1496 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,320 Speaker 1: like I have to be number one, I have to 1497 01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,400 Speaker 1: be the best in the world. I have to be this. 1498 01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,599 Speaker 1: And now I just get to wake up and I'm like, Okay, 1499 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,800 Speaker 1: I already did the things I want to do, So 1500 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,760 Speaker 1: like I want to make a cookbook, I want to 1501 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,559 Speaker 1: do it. I want to do this, and I like 1502 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:53,720 Speaker 1: really want it to be the best and I want 1503 01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,880 Speaker 1: it to be awesome. But it's something that I want 1504 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,800 Speaker 1: to do and I'm putting like that pressure on myself. 1505 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:04,519 Speaker 1: It's not like for other people anymore, and yeah, I 1506 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,639 Speaker 1: think I don't know, it's I and I always had 1507 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,800 Speaker 1: a strange feeling with success too. I was always like 1508 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,080 Speaker 1: kind of like ashamed of it for some reason or 1509 01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,479 Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, I don't, I don't. I don't 1510 01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,200 Speaker 1: deserve that. I'm probably gonna get like cancer now because 1511 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,880 Speaker 1: like I did because I did well, So like I 1512 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,360 Speaker 1: don't deserve this, and like somebody else, somebody else deserves 1513 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:26,960 Speaker 1: this more, And. 1514 01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,160 Speaker 2: Like how did you overcome that doubt? Because I think 1515 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,760 Speaker 2: a lot of people feel that way. People are coming 1516 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,680 Speaker 2: to money, fame, even a bit of success and we 1517 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,400 Speaker 2: start going out, crap, this wasn't meant to be. 1518 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still I still it's still there for me 1519 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,439 Speaker 1: that that part. I still have that feeling a little bit, 1520 01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of the imposter syndrome. But it's so 1521 01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,439 Speaker 1: funny because I'm so confident at the same time. But 1522 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I do have that feeling where I'm 1523 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,080 Speaker 1: just like, ah, like why do I deserve this? Like 1524 01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,920 Speaker 1: what did I do? And like there's so many more 1525 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,719 Speaker 1: people who are more talented, and I'll like start questioning 1526 01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,559 Speaker 1: stuff like that in my head. Yeah, and you're still 1527 01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,559 Speaker 1: working for Yeah, every day we're working through everything, and 1528 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,880 Speaker 1: the success thing, like it's not fully let go, but 1529 01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:09,000 Speaker 1: it's like it's something that like I catch myself more 1530 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,479 Speaker 1: and more like just really wanting to do the things 1531 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,680 Speaker 1: because like it's not a competition always anymore, and it 1532 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,840 Speaker 1: used to be like such a competition with me in 1533 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,360 Speaker 1: my head with that, and I try to find like 1534 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,960 Speaker 1: other things that are competitions, and like competitions like that 1535 01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,360 Speaker 1: are like friendly and there's not like a huge thing 1536 01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,879 Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel for it beautiful. 1537 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,679 Speaker 2: Question number four. What's something that you think you learn 1538 01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,679 Speaker 2: from your parents' relationship that affects your relationships moving forwards, 1539 01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,000 Speaker 2: Like something that you'll take as a lesson on what 1540 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:41,280 Speaker 2: to do or what not to do. 1541 01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,000 Speaker 1: I don't think my parents listen to each other. And 1542 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:51,960 Speaker 1: I think all relationships, whether it's romantic, business friendships, you 1543 01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,920 Speaker 1: just have to listen to each other. It's like the 1544 01:11:55,000 --> 01:12:00,240 Speaker 1: easiest thing in the world just be a listener and 1545 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,599 Speaker 1: it's okay to be wrong. And I like that's that's 1546 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,720 Speaker 1: also another thing that like I've really come to terms with. 1547 01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:14,320 Speaker 1: Like it's like I always would find myself like wanting 1548 01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,160 Speaker 1: to be right about the thing, wanting to be this, 1549 01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:21,600 Speaker 1: and it almost makes you look better if you're like, 1550 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,439 Speaker 1: you know what I was, I was wrong and stop 1551 01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,760 Speaker 1: trying to like defend a thing to the end that 1552 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,519 Speaker 1: you know you're wrong about so it's like I was wrong, 1553 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,600 Speaker 1: I was wrong, and then like everyone's happy if you 1554 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,840 Speaker 1: just say if you're like I was wrong, I messed up. 1555 01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,120 Speaker 1: I messed up instead of like trying, it's like putting 1556 01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,880 Speaker 1: shame around being wrong, and it's okay to be wrong, 1557 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,360 Speaker 1: Like it's okay to fuck up sometimes, Like you know. 1558 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,400 Speaker 2: That's great, listen and it's okay to be wrong. 1559 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay to be wrong. 1560 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,479 Speaker 2: Fifth and final question Bennybelss to every guest who's ever 1561 01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,000 Speaker 2: been on the show. If you could create one lure 1562 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,960 Speaker 2: that everyone in the world had to follow, what would 1563 01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:58,280 Speaker 2: it be? 1564 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,200 Speaker 1: You know, I just I wish there was a world 1565 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,600 Speaker 1: where just everyone could find a way to just like 1566 01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,439 Speaker 1: fit in and just like not be It's okay to 1567 01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,519 Speaker 1: get upset sometimes. I just wish people could talk things 1568 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,519 Speaker 1: out and find a way to like love each other 1569 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,080 Speaker 1: and find I don't know, find a way to like 1570 01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,960 Speaker 1: live together. You know, it just like killed me, Like anytime. 1571 01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,439 Speaker 1: It's so hard for me to ever watch any of 1572 01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:25,920 Speaker 1: the news and it's just like, oh, I'm like it 1573 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:33,560 Speaker 1: just like crushes me watching people fight and people like violence, 1574 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,760 Speaker 1: and it's like crazy, like I don't understand. I just 1575 01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,000 Speaker 1: like don't even unders I don't know people, you know, 1576 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,880 Speaker 1: to like for someone to do something so bad, to 1577 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,800 Speaker 1: like an innocent person, Like anytime I see things like that, 1578 01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,439 Speaker 1: I just don't understand. And I, you know, I in 1579 01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,840 Speaker 1: my ideal world, there's I don't even know if it's 1580 01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:54,920 Speaker 1: a law. I don't know. People just be nice to 1581 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,880 Speaker 1: each other and just be like caring and consider it 1582 01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,479 Speaker 1: and understand that it's okay to not be the same 1583 01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,400 Speaker 1: as somebody else, and it's okay to not have the 1584 01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,760 Speaker 1: exact same opinion as somebody else, but you guys can 1585 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,720 Speaker 1: coexist and live and just like, I don't know, it's 1586 01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,640 Speaker 1: like I always have these like idealistic thoughts in my 1587 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,760 Speaker 1: head and it's very hard to create those because we're 1588 01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,240 Speaker 1: so far gone as a planet. You know, there's like 1589 01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,960 Speaker 1: so much greed and there's so much I don't know. 1590 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,920 Speaker 1: I've always been like just like happy, whether it was 1591 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,639 Speaker 1: like I had a lot of money or no money. 1592 01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,160 Speaker 1: And I've always found that when me and my friends 1593 01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,720 Speaker 1: listen to each other and work together and talk things out, 1594 01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,080 Speaker 1: like every like nothing can go wrong, and if it 1595 01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,400 Speaker 1: can go if it does go wrong, then you talk 1596 01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:41,960 Speaker 1: about it and you make it better. And I don't 1597 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,439 Speaker 1: know what's the best law. You heard someone say. 1598 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,040 Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. I think a lot of 1599 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,160 Speaker 2: people share the sentiment that you're saying, like, I think 1600 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,240 Speaker 2: a lot of us feel like that, like we want 1601 01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:55,360 Speaker 2: to live in a more just, happier, loving kind of world. 1602 01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,599 Speaker 2: I think two that stand out to me. Daniel Caluia 1603 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,439 Speaker 2: came on, He's the guy. Yeah, yeah, So Daniel came 1604 01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:06,040 Speaker 2: on and he said that for everyone that you judged 1605 01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,760 Speaker 2: or criticized, the law would be that you'd have to 1606 01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,200 Speaker 2: then whoever you judge and criticize, you'd have to go 1607 01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,680 Speaker 2: live as them for a day or a year or 1608 01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,120 Speaker 2: something like that. I likes something it was like it 1609 01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,960 Speaker 2: was like a fixed thing. And then Trevor Noah had one. 1610 01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:25,400 Speaker 2: His one was there'd be a rule that every day 1611 01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,960 Speaker 2: someone's bank balance in the planet could go to zero. 1612 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,760 Speaker 2: So it could be you, your friend, your family, And 1613 01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,840 Speaker 2: how differently you'd behave with people knowing that that could 1614 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,519 Speaker 2: be you one day, it could be your mom, it 1615 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,240 Speaker 2: could be your dad, it could be your friend, And 1616 01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,840 Speaker 2: that way you'd be more conscious of what it would 1617 01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,639 Speaker 2: feel like to be around people who don't have a lot. 1618 01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I changed mine free weed foreveryone. 1619 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:47,519 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1620 01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's not that's not a new one. No, 1621 01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:51,560 Speaker 1: that's great. 1622 01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,759 Speaker 2: Is weed and unlock your creativity? Does it make you anxious? 1623 01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:58,200 Speaker 2: As you were mentioning for other people earlier? 1624 01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,280 Speaker 1: I love smoking? Yeah? You are you allowed to know? 1625 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:02,559 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. 1626 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,320 Speaker 1: You don't do it that. 1627 01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to. 1628 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,599 Speaker 1: You don't do anything. You ever have a sip of alcohol? No, 1629 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,960 Speaker 1: not anymore. When do you cuar? When you were a monk? 1630 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,839 Speaker 2: Fifteen years ago? Yeah, fifteen sixty years what? 1631 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,719 Speaker 1: What? What's your what do you do? What's your wild thing? 1632 01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,400 Speaker 2: My wild thing is I know, No, I'm just kidding, No, 1633 01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,599 Speaker 2: what is it? I'm a super I guess my wildness coming. 1634 01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,600 Speaker 2: I'm super competitive. So if I'm playing a sport that 1635 01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:26,360 Speaker 2: I'm good at. 1636 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,280 Speaker 1: No, give me. I'm like, what's your vice? 1637 01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,080 Speaker 2: My vice is sugar, man, It's like it's taking a 1638 01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:36,200 Speaker 2: sugar Yeah. Literally, yeah, my advice is sugar. My vice 1639 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,200 Speaker 2: is I like to work hard my vices. 1640 01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,400 Speaker 1: So, but you don't have anything, so you don't. 1641 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,400 Speaker 2: No, it's not that I don't have anything. I've worked 1642 01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:43,000 Speaker 2: on it hard. 1643 01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:48,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, drinking, no weed, no psychedelics, no, no, i'd 1644 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,639 Speaker 1: be I saw your eye. 1645 01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:56,040 Speaker 2: I'm always open to exploring anything that would. I mean, 1646 01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:57,599 Speaker 2: we was something that I did a lot on my teams, 1647 01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,000 Speaker 2: so it's not something I've never done. 1648 01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,320 Speaker 1: I want to know the team, the team you was why? 1649 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, the team was wild. I think that's what it 1650 01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,360 Speaker 2: is like growing up in London too, Like you start 1651 01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,680 Speaker 2: drinking very early, you start playing around with drugs and 1652 01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,280 Speaker 2: stuff very early, and so we just had access to 1653 01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,000 Speaker 2: a lot of things. So I feel like it's not 1654 01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,280 Speaker 2: that I don't It's that I've done a lot in 1655 01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,240 Speaker 2: my teens, and so it's not that I have a 1656 01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:19,760 Speaker 2: again and I have nothing against it. I think I'm 1657 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,000 Speaker 2: always open to things that have medicinal or healing benefits. 1658 01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:24,920 Speaker 2: So I've always been opened. A lot of my clients 1659 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:29,680 Speaker 2: will do MDA, do eboga, do ioas, and so I'm 1660 01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,640 Speaker 2: very familiar with these things, and I'm always working alongside 1661 01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,519 Speaker 2: clinical neuroscientists that I take advice from for my clients 1662 01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:40,320 Speaker 2: and clients own explorations. So I'm very aware and like 1663 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,880 Speaker 2: to be educated more and get more experience. But I 1664 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,800 Speaker 2: would do it if I felt there was healing that 1665 01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,479 Speaker 2: that could reward me with for sure. I'm very open 1666 01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,360 Speaker 2: at anything that has healing powers. You take any supplements, 1667 01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:53,559 Speaker 2: I take a lot of. I take twenty settlements a day. 1668 01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,599 Speaker 1: All right, let's tell you about Yeah. 1669 01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,400 Speaker 2: So I'm taking I'll show you my drawer later. It's 1670 01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:02,400 Speaker 2: likely two twenty tablets today. But it's like B twelve, magnesium, 1671 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:12,280 Speaker 2: d C K, probiotics, gut supplements, creatine like a mill. 1672 01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:15,400 Speaker 2: You take them because I really do feel a difference. 1673 01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,160 Speaker 2: I find you say, creatine, that's like from the eighties. Yeah, 1674 01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,080 Speaker 2: but it works. Like so what's really interesting is that 1675 01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,680 Speaker 2: I work with We've had the doctor that I work 1676 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,400 Speaker 2: with on the show. His name is doctor Shark. He 1677 01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:29,439 Speaker 2: runs Next Health, Okay, and Next Health basically will do 1678 01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,720 Speaker 2: the deepest blood tests and give you like. 1679 01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you do that thing where you have like 1680 01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,120 Speaker 1: a bowl of pills. You gotta takes like a pack. Yeah, 1681 01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,479 Speaker 1: you get all your biomarkers, so you get everything. And 1682 01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,599 Speaker 1: what I found is that different body types can't digest 1683 01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,519 Speaker 1: certain things, Like my body can't get the nutrients from 1684 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,519 Speaker 1: certain things, so I have to eat different proteins. I'm 1685 01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:50,160 Speaker 1: also plant based, so the supplements provide me with all 1686 01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:53,160 Speaker 1: the missing nutrients. So were you feeling bad before you 1687 01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:53,639 Speaker 1: did this? 1688 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,480 Speaker 2: I was feeling when I wasn't taking all the supplements. 1689 01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:01,640 Speaker 2: I was feeling more tired, more easily. And I was like, 1690 01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,599 Speaker 2: why am I tired? Because I work out, I sleep 1691 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,360 Speaker 2: well and meditate, Like, why am I tired? 1692 01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:08,360 Speaker 1: What type of tired? 1693 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,559 Speaker 2: Just like a feeling of like lethargy or fatigue at 1694 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,360 Speaker 2: the end of the day, but like a tired that 1695 01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,559 Speaker 2: I didn't like. And I realized that so vitamin D 1696 01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,120 Speaker 2: is meant to be at sixty is safe, one hundred 1697 01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:23,040 Speaker 2: is ideal. I was at ten and if and people 1698 01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:24,760 Speaker 2: always say, well, you live in La you get enough 1699 01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,800 Speaker 2: vitamin D. It's not true, like you've got to be 1700 01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,120 Speaker 2: out in the sun naked, like for four hours a 1701 01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,880 Speaker 2: day to get enough vitamin D, especially with my color 1702 01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,960 Speaker 2: of skin. And so for me today, vitamin D is 1703 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,280 Speaker 2: non negotiable and for most people alone vitamin D and 1704 01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,880 Speaker 2: so my doctors my nutrition was saying, Jay, you'r vitamin 1705 01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:43,479 Speaker 2: D levels means you should be depressed. I was like, 1706 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,760 Speaker 2: I don't feel depressed. I'm just tired. And she was 1707 01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,920 Speaker 2: just like, well, you know, if you change that will 1708 01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,120 Speaker 2: make a massive difference. And it did. And so I 1709 01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,559 Speaker 2: think a lot of people a lot of the times 1710 01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,760 Speaker 2: we think we're struggling mentally, but a lot of it's 1711 01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,240 Speaker 2: chemical and biological and physical. What you're saying with working 1712 01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,960 Speaker 2: out right, Like it's a physical shift that's in your mindset. 1713 01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,320 Speaker 2: And we can get in our head and get oh God, 1714 01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,000 Speaker 2: why am I tired? To something wrong with me? Like 1715 01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,400 Speaker 2: maybe I'm stressed And it can be that. Yeah, of 1716 01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,400 Speaker 2: course it can be that, But sometimes it's chemical and physical. 1717 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,040 Speaker 1: So you take twenty supplements. 1718 01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,280 Speaker 2: I'll show you. Yeah, I'll show you my little pill draw. 1719 01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,280 Speaker 1: Do you do any other things? 1720 01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:16,599 Speaker 2: No? 1721 01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,200 Speaker 1: No, that's do you drink any other tinctures through the 1722 01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:20,080 Speaker 1: day that you have to do? 1723 01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,240 Speaker 2: No? No, Well, creating is I have to mix it in? 1724 01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,320 Speaker 1: And then why do they have you do creatine? 1725 01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,439 Speaker 2: That's for me to digest a particular nutrient for my 1726 01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:31,320 Speaker 2: digestion to be good. 1727 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,599 Speaker 1: Also take oh do you have trouble? You have bad stomach? 1728 01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,920 Speaker 2: Not a bad stomach. I think that when I went 1729 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,160 Speaker 2: completely plant based, which I always tell people if they're 1730 01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,960 Speaker 2: making that transition, I always tell people to do it slowly. 1731 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,639 Speaker 2: I kind of did it overnight. When eight years ago, 1732 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,519 Speaker 2: when I married my wife, I was vegetarian, but I 1733 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,280 Speaker 2: became plant based as soon as I married her, and 1734 01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,640 Speaker 2: I think that my gut reacted poorly to that quick transition. 1735 01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,280 Speaker 2: And so whenever anyone's talking about being plant based or 1736 01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,640 Speaker 2: eating healthare, I'm almost like, do it slowly, because your 1737 01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,080 Speaker 2: body is just used to a habit, whether it's good 1738 01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,560 Speaker 2: or bad. And now I feel great. But it was 1739 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,320 Speaker 2: a transitionary period for sure. So I do that, and 1740 01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:13,120 Speaker 2: then I do I have vinegar before meals because that 1741 01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,880 Speaker 2: regulates the acid internally, So that's like mix shot of 1742 01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:18,719 Speaker 2: vinegar with diluted in water. 1743 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:20,680 Speaker 1: Do you take like a lot of protein a day. 1744 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I take a lot of protein, but a lot 1745 01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:26,800 Speaker 2: of protein meals, but like natural natural forms of as 1746 01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:27,360 Speaker 2: much as I. 1747 01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,240 Speaker 1: Can, Well, what's your natural protein? 1748 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,439 Speaker 2: Well, like I'm doing a lot of lentils and dolls 1749 01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,600 Speaker 2: like the Indian. The Indian diet generally leads well to 1750 01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:36,800 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. And then I will do things 1751 01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,120 Speaker 2: like tofu, which of course you know, and then not 1752 01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,439 Speaker 2: so natural, not so natural forms of protein as well. Yeah, 1753 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,360 Speaker 2: I'll found I found these amazing bagels that are protein 1754 01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,800 Speaker 2: filled they're amazing. So things like that just to just 1755 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,160 Speaker 2: to stuck up. But I found that eating protein every 1756 01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,639 Speaker 2: day has made a big difference the amount of protein 1757 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,720 Speaker 2: that we don't have in our dieties. And I'm not 1758 01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:58,760 Speaker 2: a pro at this. We've had doctors who come on 1759 01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,599 Speaker 2: the show and yeah. 1760 01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,439 Speaker 1: People, yeah, you're supposed to eat a gram of protein 1761 01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,519 Speaker 1: per a pound. 1762 01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you realize you're like nowhere close, Like even 1763 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,000 Speaker 2: if you're eing meat. It's hard. Yeah, And so what 1764 01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,599 Speaker 2: to speak of anyone who's plant based, Bennie, This has 1765 01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,320 Speaker 2: been a joy and honor. I hope you do a 1766 01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:19,800 Speaker 2: part two. I hope there's dinners. I hope there's so 1767 01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,320 Speaker 2: much more in the works with this relationship. I appreciate 1768 01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,599 Speaker 2: you man, Thank you so much. Like you took us 1769 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,200 Speaker 2: on a whole journey today and I felt like we 1770 01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,600 Speaker 2: got to peek into your mind, which is always my 1771 01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,360 Speaker 2: favorite thing to do. I want everyone to know Open 1772 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,840 Speaker 2: Wide is available right now, so make sure you go 1773 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,240 Speaker 2: grab it. We'll put the link in the caption in 1774 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,519 Speaker 2: the comments and wherever you're viewing. Of course, if you 1775 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,920 Speaker 2: don't follow Benny on social media already, please go and 1776 01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,559 Speaker 2: follow him across platforms and BENNI thank you so much 1777 01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,639 Speaker 2: for showing up for on purpose today is so grateful 1778 01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:49,040 Speaker 2: and deeply appreciated. 1779 01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:50,880 Speaker 1: Man, thank you, man, Yeah, thank you. 1780 01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,840 Speaker 2: If this is the year that you're trying to get creative, 1781 01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,519 Speaker 2: you're trying to build more. I need you to listen 1782 01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,439 Speaker 2: to this episode with Rick Rubin on how to break 1783 01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:03,679 Speaker 2: into your most creative self, how to use unconventional methods 1784 01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:07,559 Speaker 2: that lead to success, and the secret to genuinely loving 1785 01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,120 Speaker 2: what you do. If you're trying to find your passion 1786 01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,640 Speaker 2: and your lane, Rick Rubin's episode is the one for you. 1787 01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,439 Speaker 1: Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value, 1788 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,080 Speaker 1: Like as an artist, if you like it, that's all 1789 01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,760 Speaker 1: of the value. That's the success comes when you say 1790 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,280 Speaker 1: I like this enough for other people to see it.