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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number two oh eight

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Speaker 1: and taking the show. We are talking about Theodore Roosevelt.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about scouting and hunting for western white tails,

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Speaker 1: talking about big drop time shed antlers and what it's

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Speaker 1: like to pick up one of those, and finally I

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Speaker 1: share my most recent near death experience. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: said good Gear and Tan the show. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a fun one because I'm here with my buddy Dan

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Speaker 1: Johnson and the man known as Further and and uh,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna be talking about a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: different things related to the trip that I was just

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Speaker 1: on last week with Furtz when we went out to

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Speaker 1: North Dakota and Montana and me and me and Further

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Speaker 1: were out there scouting for white tails and doing some

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Speaker 1: shed hunting and learning a little bit about Theodore Roosevelt too,

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Speaker 1: So I figured we could talk about all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about, Mr Roosevelt. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about Western white tail hunting. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about how to pull off a shed hunt like this

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Speaker 1: and tell all the stories of of the week we had. Um.

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Speaker 1: So that's my game plan. Dan, Is that sound okay

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Speaker 1: by you? Yep, I'm all for. I must say that

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Speaker 1: I followed along more than any other story, you know,

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Speaker 1: like Instagram story or on social media or whatever. I

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Speaker 1: followed along kind of really curious about what was all

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Speaker 1: going down out there and what were your thoughts while

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Speaker 1: you watch that? What were my thoughts? Yeah, my thoughts

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Speaker 1: were was my name even brought up in the initial

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Speaker 1: conversation about going out there as far as far as Hey,

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Speaker 1: should we invite Dan Johnson? Because that would I think

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Speaker 1: he would like that trip. Let's be honest about this.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You couldn't. You couldn't. You won't answer that.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care if this is your podcast.

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Speaker 1: Don't answer that. Because my same friends who I went

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Speaker 1: to high school with and who I've known for almost

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Speaker 1: twenty five years maybe even more, they don't have kids,

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Speaker 1: and they stop invite me to do ship because they

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Speaker 1: think I can't go to it because I have three kids.

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Speaker 1: All right, So don't pull that bs. You put me,

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Speaker 1: you put yourself in this position. Dan, No, No, the invite,

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Speaker 1: the invites can still come. I can you know, I

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Speaker 1: can tell you know. Isn't it Isn't it more painful

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Speaker 1: to get invited to something they like I can't do

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Speaker 1: it than just never know about it at all? Nope? Nope,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. How How am I supposed to not know

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Speaker 1: about it? I follow you all social media and I'm

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Speaker 1: here doing a podcast with you. I mean, obviously you'll

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Speaker 1: know about it, but if it makes you feel any better,

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Speaker 1: I didn't invite anyone. It was the last minute thing.

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Speaker 1: At the last second. I was like, John, I know

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Speaker 1: Josh has got the schedule, he can come along with

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Speaker 1: me to do this, and you know he was able

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Speaker 1: to do it. But I do feel a little bad

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Speaker 1: along watching this all happen, and um, it was a

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Speaker 1: watching other people do a cool trip like this, and

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Speaker 1: I'm upset, and uh, I just got luckier this time

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Speaker 1: worked out? Hey further? Would three have? Would would three

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Speaker 1: have been a crowd on this trip would three have

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Speaker 1: been too many? Uh, I mean I wouldn't have brought

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Speaker 1: or we could have covered more ground, that's true. That's true. No,

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Speaker 1: So I needed to go to North Dakota and some

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Speaker 1: in the life of Dan Johnson. No, I don't have any.

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Speaker 1: the whole Teddy Roosevelt thing. Yeah. Yeah, So so let's

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Speaker 1: We headed out to western North Dakota, UM in this

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Speaker 1: And this spot is so important because Theodore Roosevelt went

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Speaker 1: A lot of people refer to this area as the

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Speaker 1: when he was in his mid twenties, uh, Teddy Roosevelt,

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Speaker 1: because I imagined having a big cargo van, we could

430
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: pile all of our stuff in there and then we

431
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: could sleep in the van. Two, we could van life it,

432
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: so we didn't need to set up tents or anything.

433
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 1: We could just sleep in the truck and then drive

434
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 1: from place to place and would be really easy and

435
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: convenient have all our stuff in there. So I rented

436
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: a cargo van from rental car place. So on the

437
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: day we were leaving, Josh was supposed to go to

438
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: the airport, pick up the van, and then drive down

439
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: and pick me up. Well like an hour and a

440
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: half before Josh was going to pick up the van.

441
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: I get a phone call because I'm in the reservation

442
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: and this is the rental car place, and I was

443
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 1: just gonna say it was hurts. They give me a

444
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: call and the guy tells me, Mr Kenyon, we we're

445
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: not gonna have a vehicle for you today, and I'm like,

446
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: excuse me, is no, We're not gonna be able to

447
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: provide a vehicle for your reservation today, Like what do

448
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: you mean You're not going to provide a vehicle the

449
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: whole A reservation means that you were reserving a vehicle

450
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: so that it will be there on the day I

451
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: need to pick it up and then I get to

452
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: use it. Like we we we made a business agreement.

453
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: My side of the agreement is that I'm gonna pay

454
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: you money. Your side of agreement is that you're gonna

455
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: give me the car I reserved. And this guy and

456
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: this company made me so mad because he's basically, I'm sorry,

457
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do. We don't have a vehicle.

458
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: There's no other vehicles, there's no other vans for you. Um,

459
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 1: and then he's not He's he wasn't offering a solution,

460
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: Like if I'm in his shoes and all of a

461
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 1: sudden I realized, oh my gosh, these people planned to

462
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: have this vehicle to go on their week long trip

463
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: and now for some reason, I can't get them that vehicle.

464
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 1: Me as a employee, I would want to say, Okay,

465
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: how do I fix this? Solution? How do I find

466
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: a solution? How do I fix this? What else can

467
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: I do to try to amend the situation. This guy

468
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: didn't do anything, he didn't want to do anything. He's

469
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: just like, we don't have a vehicle for you. And

470
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: then so I'm waiting for the D or the but

471
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: but nothing. So I had to be a jerk and

472
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: be like, okay, man, that's not acceptable. What are you

473
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: gonna do? Like, how do we fix this? And so

474
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: for the next three hours I had to deal with

475
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 1: this yuppie, calling him back and forth, trying to get

476
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: him to do something, and every time it's like, oh,

477
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: I can't get a hold my manager. Um, my manager

478
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: supposed to call you. I call this other place. There's

479
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: nothing there. Um. I've never been so frustrated the company

480
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: in my life. So in the in the end, I'm

481
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: trying to do this, and while I'm trying to I'm

482
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: calling other dealerships and places are closing because this is Saturday,

483
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: so all these places are closing. Like noon, I had

484
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: I was baby not babysitting. I was on baby duty.

485
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: Kylie was out for the day with her sister, so

486
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: I had Everett. I'm trying to handle all these phone

487
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: calls trying to find a vehicle, and he starts throwing

488
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: a fit. So he's screaming and crying and going bloody

489
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: murder and I'm on the phone and I can't hear

490
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: these people, and these people are pissing me off. So

491
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: it was like a two hour debacle. Um. I was

492
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: just really mad. And uh finally I asked Josh that, Josh,

493
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore, Like I get I have

494
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: to deal with this kid. Can you can I pass

495
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: the baton to you? Can you try to figure something out?

496
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: And um, for you ended up finding a STUV we

497
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: could rent and like the only the single last rental

498
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: place within like hours of us that still open. We

499
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: finally got something we could use, which was uh gmc acadia,

500
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: right yep, So that that was what we got and

501
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: it was it was actually not bad. It wasn't nearly

502
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: as big as the van would have been, so we

503
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: weren't able to sleep in it. We had tent camp

504
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: um and like it was tight, it was really tightly packed.

505
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: We were packed to the gills going there, and then

506
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: every town we stopped somewhere camp we had to just

507
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: unload everything and rearrange everything, and a little bit inconvenient.

508
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: But on the bright side, I think that if we

509
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: took the cargo van it would have handled the roads

510
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: even worse than the than the STV did. Um, So

511
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: I guess that was our silver lining. But yeah, even

512
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: with all wheel drive, these roads were really really bad. Um.

513
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: Some of them we could get down, some of them

514
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 1: we couldn't. Um. But that first day a lot of

515
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: the spots on the map that looked good that I

516
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: wanted to get to had these just horrible roads that

517
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: we had to turn around eventually on. So we did

518
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: some walking in some places, but never found anything except Josh,

519
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: you found a prong horn sheath, the sheath of a

520
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: prong horn corn. Yeah about that. Actually that was an

521
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: actually boom kind of found it. He was sniffer around

522
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: it and it was kind of shoved it out into

523
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: the road where I saw it. Yeah, that was that

524
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. So the next day, um, next day,

525
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: we decided to go explore this other area that I

526
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: had pinpointed as a as a high probability location. I

527
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: thought it could be a good spot to hunt. I

528
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: thought it could be a good spot, maybe find some antlers.

529
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: Um So, long story short, on that one drove down

530
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: to the spot parked. It was super wet like again

531
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: to the point of everything being just post snow melt.

532
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: Everything was flooded. Um So, the first section of this

533
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: ground we were trying to walk was really wet, and

534
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: both of us neither one of us wore our rubber boots.

535
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: We're both wearing like hiking boots. Um So, the bunch

536
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: of stuff we couldn't get to. But I don't know,

537
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: after a few hours, and I think we're getting a

538
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: little down a little bit because the whole first day

539
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: either we couldn't walk stuff, and then the stuff we

540
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: could walk we didn't find anything. And now this section

541
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: it's flooded. We finally get some good looking stuff. We

542
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: saw a bunch of sign I'm thinking all any time

543
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: now we're in the fine antlers and it was just nothing,

544
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: and um, I found I'm looking at the maps and

545
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: I found one more section of like good cover along

546
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: the river that I thought maybe that would be a

547
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: spot that we could go find some sheds, but it

548
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: was like over a mile away. So between us in

549
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: this section timber was just a big expanse of stage brush,

550
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Josh, if you're up for I say,

551
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: we just bomb across the stage brush real quick, get

552
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: to that section of timber, and then just focus our

553
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: shed hunting there. Um. And so you were up for that,

554
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: and we started walking fast, just trying to cover ground

555
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: to get to the timber. And then what happened, Josh, Yeah,

556
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: we came up to this little high spot and we

557
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: were still we were still looking even though we were

558
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: walking fast through yards apart. I came up over on

559
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: this little high spot and boom, there's a nice five

560
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: point side just sticking up. You know, it's like perfect

561
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: right there. Um. And then right next to it was

562
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: the other side. So we just kind of walked up

563
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: on a really nice match set, not thinking we're gonna

564
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: see anything in there. Do do myself and the listeners

565
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: a favor and describing a little bit more detail the

566
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: terrain setting that you guys are doing this shed hunting

567
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: in Yeah, good call. All right. So I'll give you

568
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: my my perspective and Josh, you you add on to

569
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: it if or tell me if you think it's different.

570
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: But basically, what you've got here is we're down in

571
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: the river bottom. So you've got this river that's winding

572
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: through the middle, and this river is really high again

573
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: because of the snow melt, that's really muddy, it's moving

574
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: really fast. And then along the shore you've got these

575
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: kind of fingers of cottonwood trees, kind of sparse cotton

576
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: wood trees um. And then extending out from that then

577
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: are these kind of long, flat expanses of sagebrush and

578
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: grass UM. And then occasionally there'll be some sections like

579
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: the section we're heading. There'll be some sections like where

580
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: we're headed, um, where there is some thicker timber, so

581
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: cotton wood trees mixed in with some cedars and stuff

582
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: like that. UM. But then on either side, basically you've

583
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: got canyon walls or buttes like these these bad land

584
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: type hill slash cliff slash. I don't know how else

585
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: to describe them. Um. If you google bad lands, you'll

586
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: see what I'm talking about. What kind of stuff looks

587
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: like but basically we're down in like the bottom of

588
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: a canyon, almost this river bottom with these like hills

589
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: or mountains on either side that kind of form these

590
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: tight walls. Um. So that's kind of how I would

591
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: describe it. Josh, would you add anything? I mean, that's

592
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: pretty much dead on and then you know there's some

593
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: cattle pasture and stuff like that to um, a lot

594
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: of cattle grazing in the area. Um, but yeah, sage

595
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: brush and then the cotton woods, some cedars mixed in

596
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: here and there. Yeah. I mean you pretty much hit

597
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: the nail on the head. Yeah, I mean this is

598
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: this is very different than like Iowa or Michigan obviously,

599
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: but it's kind of like your generic Western landscape though.

600
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: I mean, if you pick any spot in Montana or

601
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: North Dakota or South Dakota or parts of Wyoming where

602
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: you've got a river bottom, it's kind of gonna look

603
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: something like this. You've got you know, rolling hills and

604
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: grasslands up on the top away from the river. Then

605
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: it drops down into a river bottom. You're gonna get

606
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: some trees and some stuff like that. Um. So that's

607
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: what we're working with. And um, yeah, man, Josh is match.

608
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: That was awesome big. I mean that was like a

609
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: hundred thirty at least a hundred thirty something and I

610
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: had on the right side and it had looks like

611
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: split brows that were broken off, and I mean it

612
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: it would be a sweet buck. That was cool. Did

613
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: you guys, did you guys bump any deer or see

614
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: any white tails while you're doing these this shed hunts,

615
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: the shed hunts, Yeah, and not not yet like in

616
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: the story yet we hadn't um, but we definitely eventually

617
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: did see deer um. And that's one of the things.

618
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: A lot of these spots out west, and part of

619
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: why I've enjoyed doing these Western white tail reled trips

620
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: so much is that they're really there's really high populations

621
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: of deer um, and they're all in these small areas

622
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: because the white tails are very dependent and preferential to

623
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: the river bottom cover because they want thick, dense cover,

624
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, just like they want here in the Midwest

625
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: or in the East or wherever. Um. But that kind

626
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: of cover, it isn't an elbow across most of the landscape.

627
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: Most of the landscapes wide open grasslands or sage brush

628
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. So what you get is you get

629
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: all the deer packed into the smaller sections, so you

630
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: can see a lot of deer, you can find a

631
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: lot of sheds, you can you know, it's just cool

632
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: from that perspective. So that was kind of what we're

633
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: dealing with here, was most of these white tails were

634
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: living maybe in a I don't know, if you went

635
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: from one canyon wall to the other canyon wall, you know,

636
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: from across the river, it maybe is a half mile wide, Josh,

637
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe is that something about right? Maybe

638
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: maybe more maybe three quarters of a mile wide. Um,

639
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: it's hard to judge that distance, I guess, but it's

640
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: not super wide. Now it's long, um, but you're the

641
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: areas you need to look and focus your time on.

642
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: It narrows that a lot, which which makes it fun

643
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: for this kind of thing. So yeah, we found this.

644
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: This next section was basically this I don't know how

645
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: to describe it. This this kind of finger of land

646
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: that extended out from the edge of the cliffs towards

647
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: the river. Um, but the river pinched tight to the

648
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: cliffs on either side of it. So imagine like put

649
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: your hand up, put your right hand straight up like

650
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: a wall and then UM, maybe point your thumb out

651
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 1: flat from there. That's your finger of land, and then

652
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: the river butts up to your hand on either side

653
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: of the thumb. But that thumb has got timber on it,

654
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: so it's almost like this land locked piece of land

655
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: that had a bunch of woods in it. The only

656
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: way you could get to it was either floated or

657
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: there's a little tiny kind of side hill trail you

658
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: could walk along the edge of the cliffs sort of

659
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: to get into that. UM. So I don't think a

660
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: lot of people were heading in there if I don't

661
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: know if any of the stuff gets touched very much

662
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: because it's kind of out in the middle of nowhere.

663
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: But um, this section looked particularly protected, UM, and so

664
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: we hiked all the way to that, and that ended

665
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: up being really good, like awesome looking signed tons and

666
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: tons and tons of deer signed um and real quick here,

667
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: I think this will be a good place for us

668
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: take a break for our Sickest story of the day.

669
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: For this week's sit story, we're joined by Montana wild

670
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: Zach Boughton, who tells us about a memorable high country

671
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: mule deer hunt where he tagged out in the last

672
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: week of the season. One of my favorite hunting moments

673
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: was a couple of falls ago, last week a season.

674
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: We were trying to find big, mature mule deer buck

675
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: and we went back to a spot, but I just

676
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: kind of had a gut feeling was going to produce.

677
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: Had never seen a big buck in the area, and

678
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: got there early temperatures were dipping down just below zero,

679
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: and we just slowly started climbing the mountain, trying to

680
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: hike slow so you don't get too sweaty. Definitely glad

681
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: we had the right layers for that day and got

682
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: up on the mountain and and made a decision to

683
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: keep going. I had thought about going back down the mountain.

684
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen a lot of game. And next thing

685
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, we come through the timber look up on

686
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: the hillside and here is just a big four point

687
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: meal deer buck, exactly what I was looking for. Got down,

688
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: the buck, had no clue I was there, put it

689
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: behind his shoulder and squeeze the trigger and that was

690
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: the end of it. And walking up on that buck

691
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: was probably four or five years worth of time spent

692
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: in the mountains to try to find that buck, and

693
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: it was super reward and that's probably one of my

694
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: favorite moments from the last couple of years. Super demanding

695
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: hunt and spent a lot of time on the mountain

696
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: looking for a buck of a certain size and maturity

697
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: that we honestly had never laid eyes on before I

698
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: filled my tag on Zack's hunt. He was wearing because

699
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: timberline pants and traverse hoodie. If you'd like to create

700
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: a sick of story of your own, or to learn

701
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: more about sit because technical hunting apparel, visit sick of

702
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: gear dot com. And right away, I think, really quickly

703
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: we found a shed. Um, I guess that was mine?

704
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: Josh right, I found that first shot. Uh yeah, if

705
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: you want to call it yours? Oh oh yeah, dog

706
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: find a lot? Did they know? No, he's saying that

707
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: I poached his shed. I think, o, Dan, you wouldn't

708
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: believe it. It was a bad one man. It's literally

709
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: directly in front of me. I've got video evidence. I

710
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: mean it was it was. We need to start further

711
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: me and you, we need to start a club where

712
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: because we get walked in front of a lot. It

713
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: sounds yeah, no, no one, no one should be ashamed.

714
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: You know, Mark is just like you know what I need.

715
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: I need it for my content. Yeah yeah, No, Josh,

716
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: Josh is the only one who should be ashamed because

717
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: he he should have spotted it far before I did.

718
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: So that's on you, Josh. Now let's let's take a

719
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: step back, because if you know no one's ont of you,

720
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: why do you have to look out way far? Yeah,

721
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: you know he's over on his side. I'm on mindset.

722
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: I'm just scanning, doing a thorough check, and he's out

723
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: there just yeah, yeah, yeah. We're walking like forty yards

724
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: apart scanning. You know, you can't help but see some

725
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: of the stuff. And it was kind of in between us.

726
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: But say whatever you will, Josh. Um, but but the long,

727
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: the long story of it. Um, we picked up that

728
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: shed and what was cool, and the same with the

729
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: sheds that Josh found first, and then we found two

730
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: other small ones that day. Um, all of these antlers,

731
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, we got to let boone pick up. So

732
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, in all of my shed hunting here in Michigan,

733
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: over the course of the last four years or whatever,

734
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: I found like two sheds in four years that Booner

735
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: had a chance to smell and pick up before I

736
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: touched it in one day. We found five or six

737
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: that he got to. So just really good experience for

738
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: to get to see it in the real setting, to

739
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: pick it up, to smell it, to you know, really

740
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: get his idea, get an idea of what these sheds

741
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: are without marks, without his dad's sent on it, you know. Um.

742
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: So that was really cool. And he had to kick

743
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: out of it. You know, he didn't find any antlers,

744
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: just like he didn't he never ran up to me

745
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: with an antler I didn't see and like surprise me

746
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: with the one. Um. You know, we would use one

747
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: of us with Spotta and then we would walk over

748
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: there and wait for him to grab it. Um. But

749
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, for the most part, I think at the end,

750
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: I think one of them he didn't really want to

751
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: pick up. But for the most part, he got excited

752
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: about him, grabbed him, ran around with him, and brought

753
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: him back to us. UM. So that was fun to see,

754
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: wasn't Josh. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Ye. So,

755
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: so I'm looking at a map right now and I

756
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's these creek systems and these river

757
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: bottoms and then they kind of these what you call um,

758
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: I guess a a bushy draw, a real thick draw

759
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: that comes out and all that drink. It's basically a

760
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: big rainage area, right that leads down into these into

761
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: these rivers. Were you finding the sheds more on the

762
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: flat river bottom ground or up into these drainage areas.

763
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: So most of the stuff that we're focusing on, um, now,

764
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: most of the stuff that we were seeing, as far

765
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: as that, it was all on the flat river bottom stuff. Um.

766
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: It seemed like as soon as you started gaining elevation.

767
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that I doubt this is a rule.

768
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's places where the white tails do head

769
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: up a little bit into the draws and stuff. But

770
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 1: as far as what we were seeing, it was really

771
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: in the flat river bottom stuff that was just packed

772
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: with deer sign As soon as you start going up,

773
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: that's when you start seeing what you know, that's where

774
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: we would see mule deer. That's where I found. I

775
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: found a mule deer shed that was up in one

776
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: of those little pieces. Um. Everything else as far as

777
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: the white tails was down in that brush on the

778
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: on the flat stuff. UM. But I'm sure there are

779
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: some places where you could go farther up into those

780
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: little draws a little bit higher up and getting the stuff.

781
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: But I just don't think in most cases the white

782
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: tails like the really rugged stuff, they prefer the easier

783
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: walking versus like these mule deer's mule deer that will

784
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: head right up these near vertical walls and go over

785
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: all this nasty stuff. Um, I think that's at least

786
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: what they prefer most of the time. But yeah, man,

787
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: it was a good day in there. That was our

788
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: first day. We're really really excited about what we were seeing.

789
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: Not only did we find those sheds, but some spots

790
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: that I think would be worth hunting for sure. Um.

791
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: And we did find do we find two dead bucks

792
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: in their josh? I think one on the one where

793
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: that day. Yeah, so found like a nice like a

794
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: nice two year old seven pointer that was dead in there. Um,

795
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: plus all the sheds we found, plus just lots of

796
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: good sign tough to get to. So that's the spot

797
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: I think I'd like to try to get back to

798
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: and hunt someday. Um. And then yeah, headed back home

799
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: that night. We had some then in some brats I think,

800
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: or maybe that's another night, But we get good at

801
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: the campsite. Um. And then the next day, were you

802
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: guys tent camping? Yeah, okay, yep, tent camp What do

803
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: you think about this is the first time you've ever

804
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: done like winter tent camping, Josh, what do you think? Yeah,

805
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't that bad. Um, it could have

806
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: been a lot worse. I think we actually got really

807
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: lucky with their weather that week. Um. You know, it

808
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: was never terribly cold. Um. And we both got good

809
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: enough gear that kept a swarm all night. But it was, Um,

810
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it is what do you call it? Type

811
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: too fun? Is that what you call it? Type two? Yeah?

812
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: If it's not fun, it's type type too fun. I

813
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: don't even know if I go that far. Josh, it

814
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: wasn't that bad. It was. It was pretty uncomfortable. I

815
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: mean it was cool at night, but like you said,

816
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: as long as you had a good jacket and hat

817
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I mean I think at night

818
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: it probably got down to the twenties um, and then

819
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: the day it was thirties and forties. Um. But my

820
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: wife was not interested in doing that kind of camping. Um.

821
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, the camp site we're in we camped back

822
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: at the National Park. Um. For the first few days

823
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: and that was just a beautiful, beautiful spot. Um. So yeah,

824
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: great camping. And then when we were up on the

825
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: other stuff, good deer scouting everything. And then our final

826
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: day in North Dakota went to a different section. We

827
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: had to do a ton of hiking just to get

828
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: to the spot because again we were having issues of

829
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: the roads, so we didn't want to risk going down

830
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: on the muddy roads. But we still wanted to get

831
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: to the spot, so we had to do a two

832
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: mile walk down the road just to get to the

833
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: spot we wanted to start scouting. Um. And then once

834
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: we got in there, I think we walked another eight

835
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 1: miles in there. Did we Did we do it twelve

836
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: miles that day? Josh, Yeah, I think that's the twelve

837
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: mile day. Yep. Yeah. Um, so we put some good

838
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: miles in the boots there. But that was a good

839
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: day too. We walked, It took us a while to

840
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: get going, didn't find anything for a bit, but then

841
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: I think that first shed you found was that huge

842
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: G two shed, right, Yeah, you have that that big

843
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: G two shed under the um under that cedar tree. Yeah,

844
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: And um, I think basically all the sheds we found

845
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: on that day. We're if I'm I think all of

846
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: them were around cedars. They were in cedar betting, isn't

847
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: that right? Ah? Yeah, I think so. Um yeah, because

848
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: then I found that old, that old, chewed up one,

849
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: which would have been a slammer, um, that was in

850
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: some cedar betting. Um, just a little bit further down

851
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: from this first one that I found. And then yeah,

852
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: I think all of them are kind of in that

853
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: same type of cover that day. And then found another

854
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: couple of dead bucks or one dead buck on that section. Um,

855
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: I found that tiny mule deer shed up on the

856
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: side hill. Um. And then the well, one of the

857
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: things I was thinking about in general this whole time

858
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: we were in North Dakota, and I happened to record

859
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: a clip talking about this. I think it gave me

860
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: some good luck because I was just talking about being

861
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: out here in western North Dakota, in this same general

862
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: region where Theodore Roosevelt spent so much time. Um. In

863
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: one of his book about him, I was reading, they

864
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: were talking about one of his ranch houses, and they're

865
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: saying that when he walked into his ranch house, there

866
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: were so many white tail and mule deer shed antlers

867
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: that you could mistake it for an antler museum. Um.

868
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: So I was like, man, that's awesome. Like Theodore Roosevelt

869
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: was picking up sheds just like me. And I wondered, like,

870
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: maybe where I'm walking right now, maybe Theodore Roosevelt walked

871
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: to pick up shed antlers too. Um that was like

872
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: a cool thing to think about. So I record a

873
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: little video clip talking about that. And then I was like,

874
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe maybe I'm gonna get maybe I

875
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: can get a little bit of Theodore Roosevelt shed hunting luck.

876
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: I could use that Right about now, and not like

877
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: a half hour later, we're just about done with the day.

878
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: We're heading past this section of thick theaters that are

879
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: right in the edge of the butts, and I'm walking

880
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: on the edge and I'm peering in underneath the branches

881
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: to my right, and I spot a main beam. So

882
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, awesome, gotta shed. I called Josh over. I

883
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: go sneaking into this thick stuff to go pick up

884
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: the shed, and I come into I get underneath the

885
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: tree limbs and it kind of opens up a little

886
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: bit and then I see it's not just one shed

887
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: a there it's too shed antlers in the big really

888
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: big five point sides. So I freak out, me and

889
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: Josh like high five in and stuff. Um, the best

890
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: match that I've ever found. Um. And you couldn't ask

891
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: like a prettier little picture right in there, could you, Josh?

892
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: I mean? Sweet? Yeah, it's perfect right where we were

893
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: in there, it's like where you think a deer with

894
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: bed like that was like a nice big buck with bed.

895
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: That's where it would be. Yeah, perfect little spot right

896
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: up the next to the trunk of the cedar tree.

897
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: The antlers are lying kind of almost on top of

898
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: each other. They're like chocolate browns, beautiful colors, and so

899
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: I grabbed the antlers. I pull them up out of

900
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: the pine needles, and I'm looking at them, and then

901
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I realized there's like a four

902
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: inch or five inch drop time off one of them,

903
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: and I just really freaked out. Then it was so cool.

904
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: It was the coolest antler I've ever picked up. Um,

905
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: And that was that was a highlight of the trip

906
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: for sure, don't you think, Josh, Oh, yeah, for sure

907
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: that your face was priceless when you saw it. It's

908
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: pretty funny. Yeah, I'm holding the handler right now, and

909
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: it's super cool, really long main beams that kind of

910
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: sweep up. Um. The drop time is almost if you

911
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: were looking at where the brow time is and then

912
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: then took a brow time and then just put another

913
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: brow time directly underneath it. That's kind of what this

914
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: antler looks like. UM. So that's my first drop time

915
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: shed I've ever found him, probably the only drop time

916
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: Sheddle ever find. Um. So yeah, man, that was the

917
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: way we kept off our North Dakota day three. UM.

918
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: And then that spot looked really great from a hunting

919
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: perspective to UM. You know, my my big goal from

920
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: the scouting standpoint was just to find these little pockets

921
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: that had a lot of white tails and that looked

922
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: like you know, are they hard to get to do that?

923
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: A lot of white tails is a good sign. And

924
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: I found those two spots. I definitely think hit that criteria. UM.

925
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: And on that note, you know, one of the things

926
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: I want to make sure we talked about in this

927
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: is that when it comes to trying to do like

928
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: a Western white tail hunt, the big thing I've been

929
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: focusing on is just finding that finding if you're hunting

930
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: public land or private land, whatever it is, find that

931
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: kind of ground along a river corridor where there's some

932
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: good thick cover, because again that's the limited quand that's

933
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: the limited thing in most of these places. So if

934
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: you find that good cover along the river, you almost

935
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: certainly are gonna have some white tails in these places.

936
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: Um So for me, it's just finding those places on

937
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: the map and then going there in person and just saying, Okay, yeah,

938
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: it does this look like has a sign that I

939
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: think it has? Um And so we were able to

940
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: do that. Um So I've got two really nice looking

941
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: sections that I want to get back to someday. And

942
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, Josh, where are you at. You were

943
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: talking like maybe you want to try to come back

944
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: and hunt. Maybe not. Have you been thinking about anymore? Yeah,

945
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it. I mean, it's definitely something

946
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: I want to do. Um. You know, North Dakota especially,

947
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: it is on my short list of states i'd like

948
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: to get to. UM. I don't know if I'm gonna

949
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: be able to make it happen this year, but within

950
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: the next five years i'd like to. I'd like to

951
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: get out there. Um or Montana or South Dakot somewhere

952
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: out west next a white tail hunt for next five years.

953
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: That's the most unambitious goal I've ever heard that can happened. Buddy,

954
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: do it now, Do it now, trust me, do it now.

955
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: You don't have kids yet. I know I don't kids. Yeah,

956
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: maybe I should do it now. Yeah, maybe I'll tell

957
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: you what your kids then try to do it. Dance

958
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: danciting on the other side of the internet right now,

959
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: just dying to have that opportunity to get out there now.

960
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: I need to make it happen sooner than later. You right,

961
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: it was. I mean, it's just a really really pretty air.

962
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: And I've just come to love this Western white tail

963
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 1: thing in general because you get into these really unique habitats,

964
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: very few people, lots of deer. The quality of deer

965
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: is is pretty darned good, especially compared to what I

966
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: have like to hunt here in Michigan. Now compared to Iowa.

967
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: It's not like Iowa as far as you're not going

968
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: to see as many monstrous deer um, but you can

969
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: see a lot of like nice dear um. And for me,

970
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: that kind of experiences is great. That's all I really

971
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: want is to have like a cool wild experience and

972
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: see a lot of dear and shoot him at sure buck.

973
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: That's that's awesome. So that kind of thing is very

974
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: achievable in states like Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska,

975
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: Eastern Wyoming. UM. So I'm I'm pretty much on the

976
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: point where I think every year, I'm gonna be doing

977
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: at least one trip, if not two trips a year

978
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,959
Speaker 1: doing that kind of hunt because it I'm I'm really

979
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: getting hooked on it. Um anything, Yeah, you gotta, I gotta.

980
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: I got a question about, you know, shed hunting. You're

981
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: you know for me when I go shed hunting, and

982
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: maybe it's because I already know the properties that I'm

983
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: shed hunting. But on a trip like this where you

984
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: guys weren't necessarily just looking for sheds, you were also

985
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: looking for um hunting spots as well. So how did you,

986
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: I guess split up your time. I guess focused on sheds,

987
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: but at the same time looking like, Okay, I'm gonna

988
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: mark this on a on a map where I'm gonna

989
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: put you know, this particular uh, this particular location for

990
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: a mental note so I can come back to it

991
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: and you know, as a potential hunting spot in the fall. Yeah.

992
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: So for at least for me, I wasn't trying to

993
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: go um. I wasn't focusing on scouting to the level

994
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: of detail where I was trying to pick like specific

995
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: stand locations or anything like that. It was really the

996
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: scouting goals I had were just to determine and does

997
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: this chunk look good? Like is it worth coming back

998
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: and hunting here? Um? So really, once I got to

999
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: these places, I was focused on shed hunting in that area.

1000
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: And then you know, every once and I would stop

1001
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: when we took breaks and stuff, and I'd be looking

1002
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 1: around and looking at the map and thinking through things,

1003
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: and you know, you kind of develop an aggregate idea

1004
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: of how much deer sign you're seeing, how many rubs

1005
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: are you seeing, how many big scrapes stuff like that,

1006
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: How what are the shed quality, what are the dead

1007
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: deer we're seeing? All those things kind of would just

1008
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: lead up to me knowing like, yes, this looks like

1009
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: a spot I'd like to come back to, or no

1010
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: it's not. Um. But I wasn't you know, scouring the

1011
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: area looking for rubs or looking for specific stand sites,

1012
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: are looking for access points or anything that um, most

1013
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: of my focus was devoted to looking for antlers. Um,

1014
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: I would what do you think, Josh, is that kind

1015
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: of where your head? Was that too? Yeah? I was

1016
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: the same way. I mean, yeah, you had to be

1017
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: blind though, not to see you know, good deer sign

1018
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: in the area. I mean, there's so many I can't

1019
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: I can't remember how many times I said to you, dude,

1020
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: I've never seen so many rubs in my life. Um,

1021
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: so he had to be blind not to see the

1022
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: deer sign in there and have a pretty good idea

1023
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: of of how they are using it. And um, you know,

1024
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: Mark and I were talking about if we, you know,

1025
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: if we come back out here, take a take an

1026
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: evening or a morning off and just kind of sit

1027
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: up on one of these ridge tops and kind of

1028
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: glass these areas and see how they're using the area

1029
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: and kind of make a plan of attack from there.

1030
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was. I was definitely more focused on

1031
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: looking for for sheds and specific trees to hunt. On

1032
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: hunting or or whatever the case. Maybe that's what's so

1033
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: cool too about hunting a place like this. And I'm

1034
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: just a sucker for like being able to see long

1035
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: distances and everything. But in a lot of these areas

1036
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: out west. Just the view shed that you have, the

1037
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: distance that you can see is so much more substantial

1038
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: than what you've got here in like an area of

1039
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: Michigan where usually it's super thick UM or if anything,

1040
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: if if there's a view it's because you're sitting over

1041
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: cropfield or something. But otherwise you can't see a whole

1042
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: lot and there's lots of trees and stuff um out here.

1043
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: You know. The way I've approached my western whitetail hunts

1044
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: so far, and the way I intend to continue, is

1045
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: that the first day or two UM, you're just getting

1046
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: to a high point or getting to some kind of

1047
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: observation point. Maybe it's an observation stand, maybe it's sitting

1048
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: up on a hill or a ridge. Maybe it's just

1049
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: sitting out on the road and using a spotting scope. UM.

1050
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: But just observe UM. And if you're hunting, you know

1051
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: in the early season or even you know in the

1052
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: middle of October, when they're still on like a bed

1053
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: defeed pattern of some type, UM, you can very easily

1054
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: determine where these dear bedded and where they're heading to

1055
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: feed UM. And then you just plan you observe, and

1056
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: then you act on it and you go and intercept. Um.

1057
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: It's not like you have to find a whole bunch

1058
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: of specific train features on your map and then scout

1059
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: and see if there's yes, there's trails there, and then yeah,

1060
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: maybe it's worth hanging to stand in this thicket like

1061
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: maybe we have to do here at home. You can

1062
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: just see it. And if you see it, you see

1063
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: a buck, your interest in hunting. You see a bunch

1064
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: of bucks move through this everything, you say, Okay, yeah,

1065
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: I know that tree right there that I watched. I'm

1066
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: gonna go hanging standing there tomorrow afternoon and hunt it

1067
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: and then you can adjust from there. Um. And I

1068
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: think this spot would be perfect for that. You get

1069
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: up on one of these buttes, watch over this area,

1070
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: you could see almost everything, um, and then sneak in

1071
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: there the next day and and hunt them. It's just cool.

1072
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: You get to see so much. I love just what

1073
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: we were talking about, Josh I as much as I love,

1074
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, actually having a hunt that comes together and

1075
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: connecting on a deer. I'm happy nine the time if

1076
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: I can just observe a lot of deer. So these

1077
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: hunts are fun, just because you can see a lot

1078
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: of action. I mean, I just love watching them. Um.

1079
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: So these kinds of spots are great for that, which

1080
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: is uh, which is why I'll definitely be out there

1081
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: again soon. And you know, one thing we did talk

1082
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: about mark and scouting for you know, hunting season is

1083
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: UM we talked about maybe doing it like a almost

1084
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: something like we didn't done our elk trips where hike

1085
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: your camp back in there and camp um somewhat close

1086
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: to these areas, UM, just because it's such a far

1087
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: walk from any sort of area to park or anything

1088
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 1: like that, it could be a real issue, um getting

1089
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: deer out or whatever. So we talked about maybe camping

1090
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: back in there or something and helping um shorten our

1091
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: walk a little bit or whatever the case may be

1092
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: in in terms of our access right right, Yeah, find

1093
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: some of those locations that are really tough to get

1094
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: to where you'd have like a couple of mile walk

1095
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: just to get to it. Um, you can, like you said,

1096
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: almost put a spike camp back in there because there's

1097
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: so much public land in there and you could just

1098
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: have like it's almost like a I mean some of

1099
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: these sections people do backpack in and mule deer hunt

1100
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: up in the badland stuff around there. Um, so you

1101
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: can almost set up a camp like that, but then

1102
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: just drop down the hill into the white tail stuff.

1103
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: That would be That would be a really cool way

1104
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: to do it. So yeah, it was awesome North Dakota,

1105
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful. What do we have? We found eleven or

1106
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: twelve sheds while we were there. Yeah, I think we're

1107
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: at eleven or twelve. I think eleven if I remember right. Yeah,

1108
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: twist like a lot of nice, really nice quality antlers,

1109
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and the two match sets are to

1110
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 1: both of our biggest match sets. Yep. So sweet. And then, um,

1111
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, we kinda had used up all the places

1112
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: I had found on the map that I thought were

1113
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: worth checking out in this general region. Um, and then

1114
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: we're having no issues. Like I said earlier, a lot

1115
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: of spots we still want to go see we couldn't

1116
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: get down because they're all mudded out. So I decided

1117
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: to head back towards where a deer hunted last year

1118
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: in Montana and east in Montana. Um, and so that's

1119
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: what we did. On day four. We drove to eastern Montana,

1120
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: set up camp where I was at last year and

1121
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: then UM decided to shed hunt and scout some of

1122
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: the public land there and then also try to get

1123
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: permission from some of the landowners I met out there

1124
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: to walk some of their stuff. So this was a

1125
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: situation where my previous year's experience helped out a ton,

1126
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: because last year, while I was hunting in this area, UM,

1127
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: when I was camped out was like setting up camp.

1128
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: One day, a neighboring landowner came over and talked to

1129
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: me and wanted to, you know, make sure I wasn't

1130
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: an idiot who was gonna screw up stuff on his

1131
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: neighboring property and stuff like that, and wanted to just

1132
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: get to know me and what I was doing. He

1133
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: ended up being a really nice guy, ended up showing

1134
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: me around some of his stuff and blah blah blah,

1135
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: And then he talked to another neighbor, and that neighbor

1136
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: came drove down to my campsite the next day and

1137
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: he came to talk to me, And so I met

1138
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: these two really nice people last fall. Well this spring,

1139
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: now i'm back. I went and talked to both of

1140
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: them again and said, hey, you know, me and my

1141
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: buddy further, we're down here looking for some she alers. Yeah,

1142
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: they thought it was a weird named um and and

1143
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: they both ended up really lending us a hand. UM.

1144
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: One of them gave us permission to walk his property UM,

1145
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: which was a really big chunk that also gave us

1146
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: access to additional public land to UM. And then the

1147
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: other guy was was offered a less walk a little

1148
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: bit of his and then also gave us access to

1149
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: his canoe to cross a river to get to more stuff. UM.

1150
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: So I mean the long story short in the Montana

1151
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: with three days there in Montana. UM, the first day

1152
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: I found a match set on public land, which is

1153
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: pretty sweet. And that was one where I saw one

1154
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: side and I'm like, boom, go get it. And then

1155
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: he goes off and running the other direction. I'm like,

1156
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: what the heck is he doing? And then I look

1157
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: at word what he's doing and his head is in

1158
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: the other antler. He's sniffing the other antler the other side. UM.

1159
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: So that was cool. And then we started walking some

1160
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: of the private that we got permission on and UM,

1161
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how would you describe this stuff. It

1162
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: was a little different than where we were at North Dakota.

1163
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: It was still river bottom stuff, Um, but a lot thicker,

1164
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: don't you think, super thick? Yeah, those of the Russian

1165
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: olive and man that stuff. I mean you were we

1166
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: were calling around our hands and knees down there. Um,

1167
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: that was pretty brutal. Yeah, it was. I don't even

1168
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: know how to describe it. Like imagine like the thickest,

1169
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,479
Speaker 1: nastiest like thorn bushes that you might have to walk

1170
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: through in Iowa, Dan and then just imagine like stretches

1171
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: of like forty acres of that or whatever, just NonStop.

1172
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: But it all looked like underneath it, like there was

1173
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: kind of tunnels burrowed through it where all the deer

1174
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: were moving through, and there was just like deer crap everywhere,

1175
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: rubs on almost every tree. I mean, it was so

1176
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: tempting to get in there because you're like, there's gotta

1177
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: be sheds in here. Um, So we we pushed through it.

1178
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: We spent more time dodging tree branches and saving your face,

1179
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: and then you probably did actually looking for antlers down

1180
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: in there. That was that was the issue. We probably

1181
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 1: walked by a bunch of them. Yeah. What was nice

1182
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: about this area in Montana, though, is that in North

1183
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: Dakota there wasn't any like food source. There wasn't any

1184
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: kind of air culture, um, particularly close to the places

1185
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: that we were walking about. UM. Here on these properties,

1186
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: we were either able to walk a food source or

1187
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: we are close to food sources. So the number of

1188
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: deer in there was like even more, even higher than

1189
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: what we had in Northcota. I mean like really really

1190
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: high deer numbers and lots and lots of bucks. I

1191
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: mean I saw lots of bucks last year when I

1192
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: hunted there, but this trip made me realize it's even

1193
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: better than I realized. Um. That first day, I found

1194
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: eight sheds um. And that was only like a half

1195
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: day because the first half of the day was like

1196
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: getting set up, getting there, set up camp. So it

1197
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: really was a half day. And I had my best

1198
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: day of shed hunting ever that day, UM with eight pickups.

1199
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: And then Josh, you found one. Yep? Was that stefing you?

1200
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: Uh No, no I was. I was a very um,

1201
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,439
Speaker 1: courteous shed hunter. I didn't cross your lines at all,

1202
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: just fun to make sure you didn't get too down

1203
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: on yourself. So I let you pick them all up

1204
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: that day. I had to have the content, right, I

1205
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: gotta get the content I'll tell I'll tell you what

1206
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: Kurt Josh was that. Um, he is so slow. I mean,

1207
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: he just he just takes his sweet time everywhere he goes.

1208
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm always looking by my shoulder like are you coming, Josh,

1209
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: are you coming? Or like we had we're heading into

1210
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: this great looking betting area and we're about to get

1211
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: into it. I'm thinking, oh, there's gonna be a shut

1212
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: up here anywhere. And then Josh like, hey, man, going

1213
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: ahead of me, I gotta use the bathroom. So so

1214
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: he's like rushed around his backpack for toilet paper and stuff,

1215
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: and me and Boom go walking ahead and I go

1216
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: pull out like two really nice sheds that maybe he

1217
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: could have picked up if he was walking, but he

1218
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: was And when Josh of those moments, Man had one

1219
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: of those moments. Yeah, yeah, yeah, been a couple of days.

1220
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, we're out you're out there and you're eating

1221
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: protein bars and all that kind of stuff. You know,

1222
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: just things happen. Things happen. The thing about Further is

1223
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: I've spent I've stayed in many hotel rooms with him

1224
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: and stuff because we do these we do these out

1225
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: of state hunts together a lot. He'll go if we

1226
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: need to go down this, He'll go in the bathroom

1227
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: and you'll hear him like watching YouTube videos and like

1228
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: singing along to music. He's calling his wife. So I imagine,

1229
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: I imagine we're out there shed hunting, I'm picking up sheds,

1230
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: and he's sitting like was back up against a tree trunk,

1231
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: like watching YouTube and talking to Kelly and all this stuff.

1232
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: And I think that's why you missed out, dude. I

1233
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: don't know. Hey, my motto in life is a slow

1234
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: and steady wins the race. So I was nice and

1235
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: slow and steady. And I think my wife's You and

1236
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: my wife probably both kill me times. You know, you

1237
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: guys both have the same issues with me. I think, yeah, yeah,

1238
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: he's Yeah. I won't lament anymore on that. But that

1239
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,919
Speaker 1: was a fun day. Yeah. And then the next day

1240
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: it was the highlight probably of the trip. Yeah, And

1241
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: I think that that We started the day, went and

1242
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: scout some different public land. Didn't find much there, beautiful

1243
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: area and we saw a ton of animals, ton of antelope, mule, deer,

1244
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: white tails, all sorts of stuff, but just no sheds.

1245
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: Didn't look at the kind of stuff we want to hunt. Um,

1246
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: so one of the landowners then got in touch with said, Hey,

1247
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: if you want to cross the river with me on

1248
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: my canoe, you can get access to this other stuff.

1249
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: Um so then this is where it gets good. Here

1250
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: it gets good. Do you want to do you want

1251
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: to tell this his story Josh? Or how do we

1252
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: How do we tell? I think you'll do. I think

1253
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: you'll do a great job. But telling it so Dan,

1254
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: you won't be surprised about this because I've developed a

1255
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: history of doing this kind of stuff. Now, um, I

1256
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna cross this river to get to this other

1257
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: section that's based on the maps and what I think.

1258
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, this is gonna be amazing. Shed hunting

1259
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: in here, that's gonna be awesome. There's gotta be lots

1260
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: of deer in here. So me and the landowner are

1261
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: gonna go across the river and the canoe first, and

1262
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: then I was gonna come back across on my own

1263
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: and pick up Josh and then go back drop him off,

1264
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: and then come back across and pick up the landowner

1265
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: his wife. We're gonna shuttle people across. The river is

1266
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: really high again from runoff, it's really muddy, it's really fast,

1267
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: it's pushing through there all the snow melt from the spring. Um.

1268
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: But I've canoed a lot over the course of my life,

1269
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: he asked me. He's like, you you comfortable, You good

1270
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: with canoes. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm good with canoes.

1271
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: But I got to thinking that forwards. I guess I

1272
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: haven't canoed on a river since like high school. But

1273
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: but me and the landowner go paddling across, and he

1274
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: keeps saying that the keys, you gotta keep the nose

1275
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: of the canoe pointed into the current, so basically you're

1276
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: pointed upstream, and then you just gotta kind of float

1277
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: with the river down, but just keep your nose pointed up.

1278
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: So we managed to get across the river just fine.

1279
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: I drop him off, and he says, okay, go back across,

1280
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: grab Josh and do it again. So the canoe is

1281
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: pretty narrow, and I get sat in it and I

1282
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: start to push out, and just as I pushed on

1283
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: into the river, like immediately, the canoe like tips almost

1284
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: all the way over. Holy smokes um. And then I

1285
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: rip myself and I balance out. I'm like, Okay, that's good,

1286
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: I got this. I got this under control. He just like,

1287
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: just make sure the nose stays pointing down or upstream,

1288
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: make sure the water is coming towards you. So yeah,

1289
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: I got, I got. So I'm like, oh, I'm in

1290
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: good control. I'm balanced. I've got my my legs on

1291
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: either side spread out real wide to spread my way across.

1292
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: Took a deep breath and pushed off one more time,

1293
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: and I'm focused. I know exactly what to do. I'm

1294
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: pointing the nose of the canoe right down stream upstream.

1295
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: I take one paddle out and immediately the current takes

1296
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: the nose in that canoe and whips it around like

1297
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: a whole ninety degrees, and just instantly, the canoe flips

1298
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: over completely in the middle of the river capsizes. I

1299
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: go flipping over. I fall completely in the river up

1300
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: to like my chest, and in midfall, I just remember thinking, oh,

1301
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: ship and then my cell phone were the two things

1302
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: I remember thinking. I managed to though it was shallow

1303
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: enough right there that I was able to get my

1304
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: feet and I grabbed the canoe, and I just remember

1305
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: the next thing thing is like, do not lose this

1306
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: guy's canoe. Like I was so embarrassed already. I can't

1307
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: believe I just did this in front of him and

1308
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: his wife, after just telling him, Oh yeah, I'm good

1309
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: into canoes, and instantly I flip over in this torrent

1310
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: Or river and that I'm holding on like dear life

1311
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: for the canoe, trying to make sure I don't lose.

1312
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: It's like dragging me down the river. And I think

1313
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: the guy was yelling at me, like, let go the canoe,

1314
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: let go the canoe, because I think he was just

1315
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: worried I was going to drown. Um. But in my head,

1316
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, I can't lose this guy's canoe.

1317
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: So after I don't know how long, it probably was

1318
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: like three seconds, but to me it felt like thirty

1319
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: five seconds or a minute. Like in there, like battling

1320
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: this canoe that was filling up with water and sucking

1321
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: me downstream. I summoned, I summoned my inner hulk strength,

1322
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: I think. I think, if I remember right, Josh, didn't

1323
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: I picked the canoe up out of the water and

1324
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: hold it over, didn't I completely I'm pretty sure I

1325
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: put it over my head and was yelling and then

1326
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: walked through the raging room. Oh man, I think the

1327
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: best part of it though, I think the best part

1328
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: of it, Like as soon as you went over, as

1329
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: soon as you went under, the landowner's wife's okay, I

1330
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: think I'm just gonna stay on this side of the river.

1331
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: Completely lost trust in him. Yeah, She's like, I'm not

1332
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: riding across the room. Yeah. So. So I managed to

1333
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: save the canoe and get out of the river. Um,

1334
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: but I was completely drenched and um. Then the landowners like, okay,

1335
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: we need to get you back to the house to

1336
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: get you warmed up and dried off and stuff. And

1337
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, no, I'm fine, and he's like,

1338
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: oh no, we gotta get you back. I'm like, oh no,

1339
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm finely as long as I walk. Um, as long

1340
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: as I'm walking around, I'll be fine. I'm like, I've

1341
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: done this before in Iowa. Don't worry about it. There

1342
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: was snow on the ground, and there was snow on

1343
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah so so yeah. Man, I was soaking

1344
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: wet and it was probably in the thirties. It was cold. Um,

1345
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: but I was like, damn it, I already made it

1346
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: across the river. I'm already soaked. I might as well

1347
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: try to find some sheds. And I'm glad we did

1348
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: it because we had about an hour and a half

1349
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: to shed hunt, and then we had to come back

1350
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: and shuttle the land. Excuse me, we had to shuttle

1351
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: the land on her back across the river and then

1352
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: we could continue. So we had like an hour and

1353
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: a half and Josh, you you found the shed of

1354
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: your life. Yeah, I found the shed of my life.

1355
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: And it was Yeah, we had hardly been walking to me,

1356
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: We're maybe back in there for ten minutes. I got

1357
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: one and uh it is timed down and uh uh

1358
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 1: I walked up to him. At Holy God, I waited

1359
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: for I waited for you to get over there because

1360
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: I knew it was a good one, and um, I

1361
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: pick it up. And this thing it's just a it's

1362
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: got serious mass. It's got a split brow and I

1363
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: don't know what this other. I don't know if you

1364
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: want to call it another main beam or a third

1365
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: brow time. Um, it's a giant. I'll probably never find

1366
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: a shed like this in my life. Um, it's awesome. Yeah.

1367
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's like a seventy inch plus

1368
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: side and like you said, like triple brow time's huge,

1369
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: like seven inch third brow time curling up off of it.

1370
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's a wild looking antler. Yeah yeah, and

1371
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: then um, and then make sure it doesn't do it

1372
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: justice though. Man, when I did it did to me

1373
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: it didn't look like a huge shed. But man, that is.

1374
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: That's big. Seventy inches is big. Oh yeah, man, it's

1375
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: I'm all on it right now. It's um. I barely

1376
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: put my hand around it at the bottom of it.

1377
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's so it's got really good yeah, real

1378
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 1: good mass carries it all the way through throughout the

1379
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: main beam. I'll have to put a tape on it

1380
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: here and see what ends up being. Yeah. We were

1381
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: basing that estimated score off of Corey falls regulation that

1382
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: he did via photo, so he's usually pretty accurate on those. Um.

1383
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: But Josh, you have to tell us what the actual

1384
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: score is. And then after that, I found one more

1385
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,759
Speaker 1: on our way back to Shuttle the landowner a crossed.

1386
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: I want to give you a chance to talk about

1387
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: that moment um, because I I had some bad luck.

1388
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,919
Speaker 1: I think that river was really raging. That was probably

1389
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: what caused me to tip over. It was a difficult situation.

1390
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 1: Cards were stacked against me. Um. But but further you

1391
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: you then we got back to the river, and I said,

1392
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going back across, and I'll be honest, I was.

1393
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: I was pretty shook up. Like after that, I was.

1394
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: I was pretty miserable, soaking wet, and I'm like, I'm

1395
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: not going across that thing again. Palli it myself. So

1396
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, Josh, Josh, you told you told me. You're like, well,

1397
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: you're already wet, so you should do it. And I

1398
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: know I already experienced this. You need to have this

1399
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 1: life experience too, and so you did it. Yeah, yeah,

1400
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: I did it. I did it. I actually think the

1401
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: water was a little higher. I think a little bit faster.

1402
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: You run off. Oh no, dude. I made it across

1403
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: there like a pro, you know, slow and steady. That's

1404
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, I told you that's my motto. I got.

1405
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: I got the landowner crossed, and I I was even

1406
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: I was even talking to him on the way back,

1407
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,839
Speaker 1: like nothing was even going on. And I just glided

1408
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 1: right across that river like it was, you know, the

1409
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: smoothest river in the world. I don't I don't know

1410
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: if you knew this, Dan, but Josh was the two

1411
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: thousand five Kennawan Hills Athlete of the Year and he

1412
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: likes to remind us of that often. So as soon

1413
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: as he got across the river. As soon as he

1414
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 1: got across the river, he looks at me as his

1415
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: athlete of the year. I just like to rub rub

1416
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: it in Mark's face. Little. It was as as it

1417
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: was pretty impressive. I think it was looked pretty good

1418
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: coming across there. Yeah, yes, sailing that was good. And

1419
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: so what was your guys is? Because you know you said,

1420
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have said, well, we found a

1421
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: shed here, we found a couple shed here. You know, Mark,

1422
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: one day you found eight or something like that, But

1423
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: for this whole trip, it sounds like you guys just

1424
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: raked it in in total. Yeah. So the first like that,

1425
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 1: first North Code of the day we found none. Second

1426
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: North Code of day we found five. The next North

1427
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: quarter day we found six. Our first day in Montana

1428
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: we found nine total because I found eight, Josh found one.

1429
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: And then this day that we were just talking about

1430
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: was our best day, both of me and Josh's best

1431
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 1: day of shed hunting either. Ever. Um, I found twelve

1432
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: and Josh you found how many? I think I had eleven? Yeah,

1433
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: so we picked up twenty two sheds on this day. Um,

1434
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: and like nice ones. You know that that triple browton

1435
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: one Josh talk about the really big hammer four points

1436
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: side I found. I found several other really nice five

1437
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: point sides, lots of nice like probably like hud pointer

1438
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: type shed hunt sheds all on public ground, a mixture

1439
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 1: of publican private. Yeah, because we had we had permission

1440
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: from this one landowner and then we could access some

1441
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: public through that too. Um so yeah, man, we we

1442
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: pulled them in. I mean it was nuts. It was

1443
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: it was a shed hunting day like nothing I've ever experienced. Um.

1444
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: You it's just it's what you dream of. It was

1445
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: really like a dream shed hunt. Like so many times

1446
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: I go shed hunting, I'm like, oh man, there's gotta

1447
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: be one in there, and you go look in there

1448
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: and then there's nothing. Um, and that happens over and

1449
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: over and over again. But on this trip, many times

1450
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, there's gotta be a shed in there,

1451
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: and then you stick your head and they're like, oh,

1452
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: there's a big whole crown right there. Um. It was

1453
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 1: just it was just I mean, it's it was unreal.

1454
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: It's just fun. I mean, it was shed hunting like

1455
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: on steroids. Because you're actually finding lots of sheds. I

1456
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: don't know you had a black Josh, I mean right,

1457
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, it was. I was glad I was

1458
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: able to make it work get out there. Yeah, lots

1459
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: of antlers, and again I found some more spots that

1460
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: I want to hunt. I definitely feel more confident about

1461
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: hunting this area again. Now, um, we found, like I said,

1462
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: nice shed antlers in there. We also found several dead bucks,

1463
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,560
Speaker 1: like nice bucks. Um, so while it's a bumper that

1464
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: the buck's dead, it is indicative of the quality of

1465
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: deer that ken survive out there. Um. So that made

1466
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: me more confident in the general area. Um. And then

1467
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: that final day we found another we had I think

1468
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: we needed to find six antlers to get to fifty

1469
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: for the trip. We're like, oh, you know, it doesn't matter,

1470
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: but it'd be cool if you get to fifty antlers.

1471
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: And we ended up finding our six antlers. So we

1472
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: got to fifty and we're walking back to the truck

1473
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: and we're just walking across another sage brush flat on

1474
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: public land, and UM, we're just saying, oh man, it'd

1475
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 1: be nice we get one of those sage brush surprises

1476
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: like we did that one day in North Dakota, and

1477
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 1: not seconds after saying that I got one, there's a

1478
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: five point side right there in the middle of like

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01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: no man's land, nice little five point antler snagged that

1480
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: and put us at fifty one UM, and that wrapped

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01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: up the trip. So it was nuts. I mean, I

1482
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,440
Speaker 1: think I found twenty eight antlers. I think Josh had

1483
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: whatever the difference is twenty three or whatever or something

1484
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: whatever that turns out to be. And I'm I've got

1485
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: I've got seven or eight right next to me. They're

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01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: all like big antlers, like really nice ones. Um. And

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01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: then lots of like there's tons of two year old

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01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: bucks that we picked up, like small five point side

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01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: or small four point sides, um, but they're still cool antlers. UM.

1490
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: So this is it was. It was the best shed

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01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: hunting trip of my life. I had two days in

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01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: a row that were my best days ever. Um. And

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01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: then this makes it my best shed hunting year by

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01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: far ever, because I think I had I had fourteen.

1495
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: We had twelve sheds that I found up to this

1496
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: point in twelve was my best year ever before this.

1497
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: Now you had twenty two or twenty eight to that,

1498
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: and I'm at forty for the year, so I blew

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01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: my past best year out of the water. Um so

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01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. I've got a lot more antlers

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01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: to uh to adorn the cabinets with, and the tables,

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01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: and uh three or four new good public land spots

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01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: to hunt, and a great week of camping and walking around.

1504
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: So it was a great trip all on all in,

1505
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: not to mention, got to spend some time in a

1506
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 1: place that you know, one of our leaders in the past,

1507
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 1: the other Roosevelt, was really inspired by and we got

1508
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 1: to go experience that same place, which I think, I

1509
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: don't know if you felt the same way, Josh, but

1510
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: like that that was a powerful thing for me to

1511
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: just sitting out there and thinking about it and looking

1512
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: out there and imagining what this must have looked like

1513
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: back then. And um, I've always found that pretty cool.

1514
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: Any thoughts, Dan, I got. Yeah, you you know, for

1515
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: a while now you've mentioned this project you're working on

1516
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: about public lands. Can you tell us when you're like,

1517
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: do day is or when you're goal to have it

1518
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: completed is, so we can you know, start thinking about

1519
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: getting you know, like buying it or or consuming it

1520
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: or whatever it's gonna happen with it. Yeah, so I

1521
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: still can't. I don't want to officially announce anything until

1522
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: it's officially announced. Um. But yeah, it makes sense like

1523
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: another Yeah, another entity will be announcing this, and so

1524
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: I want to let that entity announce it first. But

1525
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: probably if you've heard me talk about this in the past,

1526
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: you probably know what I'm talking about or maybe have

1527
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: an idea of what I'm talking about. But basically, there's

1528
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: this thing I've been working on for a long time

1529
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:46,839
Speaker 1: that involves writing that's big and it's gonna come out someday.

1530
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: So you can take a jump to conclusions, Matt and

1531
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: figure this out yourself. Um, but I think there'll be

1532
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: something you can purchase maybe next year, um, if things

1533
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: go well. Um, but this is this kind of project

1534
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: takes a long time, so it'll be announced when it's announced.

1535
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: It'll be announced when it's announced, and you'll learn about

1536
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 1: it when. Yes, but it will include some discussion of

1537
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: this shed hunting trip, which would be kind of fun.

1538
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts, Josh or Dan uh for wrap this

1539
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: little storytime up? Oh man, I think just make sure

1540
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: that when you go again, you holler at yours truly.

1541
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: I'll make sure to put it out there and if

1542
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: you can, if you can pull some magic off and

1543
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: can clear this space, you definitely should try to do it.

1544
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: Because already I won't even walk in front of you guys,

1545
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: I'll even make that promise. Well, we're already talking like

1546
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: uh with the rest of the guys, the rest of

1547
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: my buddies, that we should do our weird hunt shed

1548
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: hunt out west next year. So you should definitely try

1549
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: to just just plan on carving out some time Dan

1550
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: in like late March, and we'll just hit several states

1551
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: out west, find a bunch of public land, camp out

1552
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: there with a bunch of people. Have to have a

1553
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: lot of locations, but I think there's enough land that

1554
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 1: you could say, Okay, you two hit this chunk, you

1555
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: two hit this chunk, you two hit this chunk, and

1556
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: you could do that for days and you would never

1557
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: run out of spots. Um. So man, you know, I've

1558
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: said it for years now on the podcast that I'm

1559
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: just a sucker for the West, and it's been really

1560
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: cool to be able to combine my love for that

1561
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: area with my love for white tails. Um. And this

1562
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: trip was just another really cool way to do that.

1563
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 1: So um, I'll be out there again. I can't wait,

1564
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: and um, hopefully you guys will be too, Josh, anything

1565
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: else you want to add, Uh, Yeah, I hope we

1566
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: didn't like set the expectation too high for us if

1567
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: we go back out there again with our buddies or whatever.

1568
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: I think we got. I think we got a little

1569
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: bit lucky just with the weather, um getting there right

1570
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: after the stone milt during the week and all that

1571
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: good stuff where I don't think it's really picked over

1572
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: too much. But man, if we could hit it like

1573
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: we did again, uh, we would definitely do well for

1574
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: ourselves again. Um. But I just want to say thank

1575
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: you for inviting me along, and Um, I had a

1576
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: great time. We had a lot of fun, even though

1577
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: we weren't shed hunting. We had said a lot of

1578
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 1: fun even in the car. It's a long drive and

1579
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: is just a good time. God, Yeah it was. We

1580
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: laughed a lot, and I agree with your first point

1581
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: being that we did get lucky in that. Yeah. I

1582
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: don't think other people had shed hunting this stuff yet

1583
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: because we heard that just like the week before the

1584
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: weekend before there was snow over everything, So we got

1585
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: to get out there before the weekend, just after snow melt,

1586
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,799
Speaker 1: so we're getting first pickings on a lot of stuff.

1587
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 1: So we we definitely did time it purely by luck

1588
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: and that that happened really well. Um, So yeah, it

1589
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: might not always be that good, but I agree we

1590
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 1: had a good time. We laughed a lot. I embarrassed

1591
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: myself a lot. That landowner, I still believe he really

1592
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 1: thinks that there's probably something wrong with me. We we

1593
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: just kept on joking about can you imagine what he's

1594
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: telling his friends, Like the stories that are passed around

1595
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: that town about this kid from Michigan. I'm sure a

1596
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: lot of people got laughs. You know what's you know

1597
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 1: what's funny though, Dan, me and me and Josh were

1598
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: we're camping out intents just off the road. Um. And

1599
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: so it's a small town out there, so I think

1600
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people drive down this road and they

1601
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: usually don't see the cold people tent camping. Um. So

1602
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: me and Josh, after we're done, we're heading out of town.

1603
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: We stopped this bar to get dinner um before starting

1604
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: on drive back to Michigan. And as we come out,

1605
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: this woman stops me. I can't remember, how did that start? Oh?

1606
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: She recognized the vehicle. I thing. She looks like, She's like, like,

1607
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: are you those guys that are tent camping up on

1608
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: that road? And I was like, oh, yeah, that's that's us,

1609
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: And she looks at me right in the eye says,

1610
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: you guys are badass. I said, yes, ma'am, we are.

1611
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: So I met you that that comment right there made

1612
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 1: you feel better than finding all of those ships, because

1613
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 1: you probably could have beat me up. So I'm made

1614
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: sure to tell my wife that right away, to that,

1615
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: Hey there's something out there. Thanks for pretty bad ass.

1616
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, but as soon as the story of the

1617
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 1: canoe gets gets around town, though, then it'll be oh, man,

1618
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: only one of you, only one of you is a

1619
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 1: bad as that the Yeah exactly, that's exactly what they

1620
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: think about me. So yeah, I didn't. I didn't the

1621
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: show and the show alright, guys, good good times. I

1622
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: can't wait till next year. And that is going to

1623
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: do it for us. Thanks so much for sticking around

1624
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 1: for this far ranging storytelling episode of sorts. We certainly

1625
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: had a good time with it. Before we wrap it up,

1626
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 1: a couple of quick updates. Number one, if you haven't

1627
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: yet a rating or review, on iTunes is a huge help.

1628
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 1: Thank you Advanced for doing that. It makes a big

1629
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: difference for this pod cast. Also, make sure you're following

1630
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: along with Wired Hunt on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter

1631
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: to be able to see these types of adventures like

1632
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 1: we've been talking about today. I shared all sorts of

1633
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: videos and pictures and stories throughout this past trip on

1634
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: Instagram and I'll be continue to do that with future

1635
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 1: adventures as well, So check that stuff out. The Instagram

1636
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 1: handle is wired to Hunt. You'll find the same thing

1637
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 1: over on Twitter and Facebook as well. H Finally, just

1638
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: want to give a big things to our partners who

1639
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: make all this possible to so big things to sit

1640
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: to Gear Yetie Cooler's, Matthew's Archery, Mayven Optics, the White

1641
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 1: Tail Institute of North America, Trophy Ridge and hunt Terra Maps.

1642
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: And finally, like I said earlier, big things to all

1643
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,480
Speaker 1: of you for being here with us today. We appreciate

1644
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 1: it and until next time, stay Wired to Hunt.