WEBVTT - Ep26 - James Mangold / "Logan" 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.200 Welcome to Playback, a Variety podcast. I'm your host, Variety 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:25.280 Awards editor Chris Tapley. On today's show, we recount chaos 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.640 at the Oscars as Moonlight one over La La Land 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.200 in a twist no one saw coming. A little bit later, 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:51.000 I'll be talking to logan director James Mangold, so stick around. Well, Hey, 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:56.600 anything fun happened this weekend? What a cluster? I know, 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.920 it's like I don't want to like over sell it, 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:01.600 but I don't think you can. I was doing an 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.440 interview with German TV yesterday and they were like, you know, 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.720 would you consider this, like, you know, the biggest thing 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:08.319 to ever happen at the Oscars? And I was like, 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:12.800 uh yeah, hands down, without doubt. Yeah. I mean it's 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.080 it's one of those things like I still can't really 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.040 believe it happened. Me too. I woke up this morning 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.039 and like double checked. I've rewatched him multiple times. It's 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.160 like the Bruder film to me, and I was getting 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.120 mad because people had edited versions. I was like, no, 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.720 I want to see the whole thing from start to finish, 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.360 you know, I want to see that because of watching 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.720 at home. You know, there was that moment where the 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.119 stage hands rushed on and you could see like people 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.679 looking at each other and you you just knew. And 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.200 I was like thinking, oh my gosh, did they get 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.160 the name wrong. No, they couldn't, they couldn't. It's I'm sure. 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.160 Oh my god, Oh my god, I just love Twitter 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:50.280 exploded with literally all caps. What is happening? Happening? Yeah, 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.360 in case you've been under a rock, we're talking about 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:56.240 the Oscars where Warren Batty was handed the wrong envelope 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.520 for Best Picture. He was handed a duplicate Best Actress envelope, 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.160 had no idea how to proceed when he was looking 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.680 at Emma Stone's name on the card, which I guess 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.359 I can't blame you if you're like I mean, on 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.040 one hand, he's warm, baby like, like he's weathered the 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.920 spotlight his whole career, but known as an improviser. Is 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.200 I told I feel bad. I thought he was doing 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.000 a bit. Yeah. I think everybody thought he was just due. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:25.640 I'm gonna act like I don't want to tell you 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.799 who it is, like, but no, he was like, uh, 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.160 there's a moment where he looks behind Fae like he's 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:36.440 looking off stage right. Yeah, in retrospect, you know, you 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.280 you see all the ways that people have tried to 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.040 get out of this, But at the time, I literally tweeted, um, 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.359 come on, Warren, this is an American idol and then 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:47.639 don't very bad done away, you know, bust his ball 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.840 and she's like, oh, you're impossible. Yeah, come on, He's like, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.040 well here you read it. I think he was just 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:53.880 showing it to her, like he was just like, what 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.919 do we do here? And she's like, La La Land. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:03:01.000 And but what's sounds crazy is by all logic, it 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.520 was supposed to be La La Land. So really the 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.200 snaff who shouldn't have mattered. But then the fact that 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:10.480 Moonlight was the winner was amazing. Yeah, that's that's that's 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.520 that's true. Like on top of everything, it's like like 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.840 they could have nobody would have known it had just 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:20.480 gone the way people expected because anyone made the comparison. 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.240 Yet I'm sure someone has that it's basically the year 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:27.639 Crash one in reverse, where where like, you know, we 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.320 were expecting Brokeback Mountain and then it was crashing. Everyone 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.959 was angry. He were expecting La La Land. But then 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.120 the movie that like regarding the reaction to yeah, it's 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:40.440 definitely the first time since Brokeback Mountain that you know, 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:44.520 like a movie kind of crashed on the waves of 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:46.760 on on on the on the shore of success as 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.400 another movie kind of is it the long Ahead? You know, 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.280 well it is. It's almost even more shocking because and 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.040 you know, I love Moonlight and I'm thrilled but at 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.160 one but it didn't win SAG Ensemble. You know, it 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.920 had no precursors to this was Colonel down into this. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:07.360 But why should we predict anything next year? I know, right, 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:12.800 there's nothing. I early on, I was just like, okay, 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:14.840 this is gonna be an offer. And the weird thing 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.560 is I got the most random things right, like you know, editing, 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.040 hack saw, I think you picked Taxa. Oh you didn't, Okay, 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:26.240 so Tim and Taxa I thought I did, but I 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.920 guess I picked sound editing. Okay, Yeah I went with 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:34.440 you on that. Um, thanks Chris. So. Yeah, there was 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.159 a lot of things that I actually got right that 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:37.880 like I never would have gotten right, and then I 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.880 got huge things wrong like Best Picture and Actor. Yeah 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:46.280 there's another thing, SAG Best Actor combo. You know, the 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:50.040 last time the SAG winner lost, what was it, probably 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.680 George Clooney note Clooney, I'm so sorry Viola Davis when 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.880 she won for the specifically best Actors. Oh, you have 0:04:57.920 --> 0:04:59.720 to go back to Johnny Depp for Parents of the Caribbean, 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.120 which is weird, which nobody thought he would really win 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.800 the Oscar for that, So that happened. I truely the 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.839 name of the podcast that happened. What else you know? 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:16.839 I personally am a little annoyed about the foreign film situation. 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.919 So you really think people voted as a protest. I 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.360 know there are people who think that movie is great 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.200 and think, oh, just one on its own whatever. There 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.120 are also people who don't think it's great, who think 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.160 it's as Gar's weakest film so far. Yeah, it wouldn't 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.080 have been my pick, but he still is the biggest 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:36.560 quote unquote name. But I just think no one's talking 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.240 about that statement obviously, but for other reasons. And it 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.640 just seemed like a statement quote unquote that wasn't going 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.559 to get much further than the steps of the theater. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.799 Like it just seemed like you should make an honest decision. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.120 I think about what you think the best film is 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.880 not giving a guy who's in London who can't make 0:05:55.880 --> 0:06:01.120 a statement on his own who granted sent uh very 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.840 important people. Yeah, who was the woman? I was the 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.160 first I think, Yeah, it's great, it's a great story 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.240 in itself. But it's just I don't know, it's it's 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.520 one of those things we're being overtly political with awards. 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.240 It doesn't settle right with me. I don't even know 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.159 how to explain what I mean. I genuinely think that 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.240 most people who voted for the Salesman really picked the Salesman, 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.320 would have picked it otherwise. But and you know, I'm 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.080 who knows who even saw like, well, I know Tony Herdman, 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.000 there weren't fans. There weren't many fans left of that. 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.880 There were a lot of fans of the last ninety minutes. Yeah, 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.960 if they got there. I know a lot of people 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.320 who walked out of that and just just it takes 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.040 it a while for that movie to catch it stride, 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:38.840 you know. Yeah, I mean I think my my pick 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.640 probably would have been man called. Yeah, that's what I 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.520 thought was gonna happen. I think in the old system, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.599 you know, before they sent the movies to everyone and 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.599 opened the voting to everyone, that probably would have won. 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.400 But so it's still strange to me, l wasn't nominated 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.160 in that category. I'm still strange to me, people thought 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.600 us about whoever was going to win Best Actress, me too, 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.840 But um, I've said that about other people who then 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:02.760 went on to win, So I'll just shut my mouth. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.320 I just I didn't think that was ever in the cards. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.400 It was great to see her at the Oscars, though. 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.920 Somebody was like saying making sort of making fun of 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.119 people at and after parties, saying like, oh, this person 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:16.720 thought you know, La La Land was going to sweep, 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.160 and I was like, yes, so did I. That's not 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.800 a c after fourteen nominations, by the way, six wins, 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.760 not to shock absolutely. That's another thing that's sort of 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.480 getting buried in all this that think happened. By the way, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.760 what do you mean not winning? Um, I don't know. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.640 I mean, like, do you think the backlash affected it. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.640 I think it's like there's this combination of stuff, and 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.560 I don't think you can legitimately say it was any 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.120 one thing. All you can really say is Moonlight one 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.000 best picture, and that's amazing. It's amazing, I mean really 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.200 on so many levels. But the different things that like 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.520 you can look at our a yes, there was backlash. 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.640 Why was there a backlash? Well, then you look at 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.600 fourteen nominations, I think even those of us who love 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.520 Law the Land extremely I don't think it really would 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.040 be in that pantheon per se. That's interesting to me 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.360 because I think it's way better than Titanic, which I 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.040 know that's which by the way, I was watching Saturday night. 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.480 I love the movie and I and I probably I 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.240 probably like it more than All About Eve by the way, 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.600 Like I'm not a big All About E fan. Everyone's 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:22.840 like my brothers. Actually, wait, I dropped my monocle, but 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.040 just some some of the you know, it's it's it's 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.400 a little more modest in its various pieces. Then yeah, 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.199 and you shoot the fault of film because of that. 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.240 That's absolutely true. But I think that maybe that is 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.120 part of what happened, like suddenly it got a little 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:41.760 too big. I think, Uh, we love to lift things 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:46.080 up and then tear. Yes, And there's also obviously the 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.720 the entire mood of the country change in November. Uh, 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:56.360 the nominations were in like right after Trump was inaugurated. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:01.560 I think, yes, sounds about right. So you know, reality 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.520 set in in that moment and you know, it's it's 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.880 also there's something said. Yeah, there's also something to be said. 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.440 I mean, we did there's a lot of change in membership, um, 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.199 and there's something to be said for Moonlight was the 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.520 movie that I don't think anyone hated. True, But at 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.800 the same time, I feel like you can't make the 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.480 argument that La La Land was divisive because it won 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:25.560 a preferential ballot at POP. So again, I'm not going 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.040 to predict anything next year. I'm done with I'm on 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.400 as long as I can get away with it. I'm legitimate, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.600 legitimately serious about that. Like, look, why bother Until like 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:36.880 right before the nomination, I yeah, I didn't want to 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.240 predict anything until Sad came out because I really was 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.320 so close to call between Casey and Denzel for me, 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.440 you know, and then so I was like, I'll go 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:47.320 with the SAG winner, And well that was wrong. I 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:51.000 was happy for Casey. He looked relieved after a very 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.199 long I know. I mean, obviously a lot of it 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:59.040 is the culmination of going on of work. And yeah, 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.600 very happy for Kenn Flanagan. I held his Oscar at 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.080 the Amazon after party, which was only the second Oscar 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:12.520 I've held who is the first birdman achiev Oh photography. Well, 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:14.920 I am just an oscar slut because he held all 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.200 of his oscars, you know, the first, the first oscarer 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.760 I held. This is so random was Walton Goggins. I 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:22.880 was doing an interview at his place. He has an 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.160 oscar for short film, a short film called I Think 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.240 the Account Here Account Yes, which is a very good 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:32.120 little film. Not I forgot yes, and I was I 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:33.760 was at his house doing an interview and I was like, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.800 what do you have an oscar? Or is Joel McHale 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.760 calls because it's far a short film, a daytime oscar um. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.360 And then obviously, um, I think Spike Jones. I held 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.280 his one year um, which he didn't seem to like 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:52.960 too much. Um. Then I had Rita's. We did show 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:54.520 with him the day after, so I had all three 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.400 of his and I was trying to look like really bored, 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.680 like whatever, and um yeah. Then last year Achievo brought 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.920 all three of his to isshoot and then less um 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.440 I guess. Sunday night, I was leaving and Justin Hurwitz 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.760 was entering, and he asked if I wanted to hold 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.800 them and get a picture, and there was, and I 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.839 said something like I was like, oh, I don't know, 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.760 is that kind of OSTENTATIONO? Okay, So Jessin actually took 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.719 a photo of me holding his oscars, and then all 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.920 these people started gathering around and taking photos of me 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:20.959 because they wanted photos of the oscar. Sounds like it's 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:22.800 gonna be all these photos of like, who's this person? 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.680 I kept saying. I was like, he's he's actually belonged 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.000 to oscars mailed to her going on, I feel weird 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:33.480 about holding oscars. Well, it is like you gotta do it. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.240 At least you don't have the chance. It only ever 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.280 happened when someone's literally like here held it out, like 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.400 Chiva was like here, check it out, and I was 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.600 like okay, and you know, Casey like handed me Kenneth 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:47.520 far against oscars like okay, wow, this is awesome. They're 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.000 heavier than next, and I just, yeah, my feeling is 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:52.720 you won this, this is yours, so like I don't. 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.520 I don't really feel like I should be touching it, 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.160 but they do. But like I think people who win 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.559 them get it. Like I remember backstage at the Golden Globes, 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.160 my friend who had just won a Globe was like here, 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:02.959 hold it, and I was like, no, this feels weird, 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:04.920 Like okay, you know, and then you have to get 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.959 the obligatory photo. Yeah, like I didn't. We we we 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.200 were fortunate to have both Damien Chazelle and Barry Jenkins 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.440 on our cover this week. I didn't uh touch their 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:19.760 oscars at the shoot? Do they bring them photos and whatnot? 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.200 And uh, really just I was happy we were able 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.760 to do that story because it's it was such an 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.720 interesting moment of seeing these two groups of people who 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.439 legitimately love each other, like going way back to tell 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.320 your ride when they all met. Uh, these movies premiered 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.520 two days apart, you know, law Land premiered in Venice 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.360 and on the thirty one of August, two days later 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.520 Moonlight premier. To tell your Ride, and uh, they've just 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.240 been on the circuit the whole time and they had 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.120 to endure the snaff food together and Jordan Horrowitz, producer 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.559 of La La Land, just handled it like a champ. 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.120 He showed what a great producer he is because nobody 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.040 was doing anything and he stepped up. He said, there's 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.760 a mistake grabbed. I saw some bill on Twitter were 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.600 angry that he snatched the card from Warren Beatty. I 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.719 was like, go back and look at Warren Batty's face 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.800 after he does that. He's not mad at all. He's like, 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.720 the guy is handling like it was and he said, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.400 you know, I'm going to be proud to hand this 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.000 to my my friends, which was so beautiful and and 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.120 that's the truth. And that's why, you know, seeing these 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.760 two come together for that shoot and that story was 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.440 really awesome. And it's such an awesome mutual admiration society. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.000 It really is. Yeah, And it's not like, you know, 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:29.560 I know a lot of people like pretend to like 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.520 each other on the campaign trail, but they genuinely like 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.480 they've had to spend so much time together, they love 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.720 each other's movies. It's it's really really, actually kind of heartwarming. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.320 And when we did the interview, they had not seen 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.320 each other at the parties or anything. They finally that 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.280 morning we're able to compare notes and like, what was 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.680 it like for you? What was like, you know, these 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.920 two guys, we're gonna be seeing their work for a 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.480 long exactly. They're going to be back there. They're a 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:57.400 part of I think a very exciting new generation of filmmakers. 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.400 And I mean, this is this is the thing like 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.880 all throughout the year with the backlash and stuff, it's 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:04.960 like those of us who are like, we love both 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.760 of these movies, and it's kind of like that snaff 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.720 who allowed that moment to be seen. Like I'm not 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:16.800 saying this well, but it's just use your words and 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.840 use your words, Chris. It's just great to see them 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.400 both come together. And it's a weird moment and it's 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.440 like the way Barry put it to me, it was messy, 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.760 but it was gorgeous. It really was, I mean, and 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.240 you know, yeah, I wish it hadn't gone down that way. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:30.920 I wish that, you know, it had been this pure 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:35.000 moment for Moonlight. But it's it's weirdly sort of appropriate. 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.560 And I know this has been mentioned at least on Twitter, 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.360 but like I think the funniest tweet I saw was like, hey, 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.120 La La Land, remember when you gave us a glimpse 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:44.880 of a happy ending and then tore it away. How 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.480 does its weirdly appropriate? It's like a current at all 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:52.120 creep Bridge. Oh my god, wow you went back for that. 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.640 I'm surprised no one's like I just thought about that yesterday. 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.080 I was like, it's kind of like a more romantic 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:01.200 version of the movie Yes, Happy the Happy End spoilt 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.840 if you've had sixty years to see a current at 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.960 home bridge and that, ye so, but yeah, I guess 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.920 what I'm trying to say is, well, those of us 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.240 who do this, we know what these two teams think 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.880 about each other. But that moment allowed the world to 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:16.520 see what these two teams think about each other. And 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.120 I thought that was really great. Yeah, you know, and 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:24.920 that's not necessarily normal either, because this is a cutthroat thing. Yeah, 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.400 I mean, you know, so gosh, what else is there 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.840 to say? Uh? This is did you like the show overall? 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.040 Not really see? I really did. I feel I thought 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:37.920 Jimmy was like a little tone deaf, like I thought 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:43.720 holding up the kid from Lyon with the lion Key music. Yeah, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.640 I don't know that about that. Yeah. I don't want 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.400 to say racist, because that's a little but each stream, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.920 but it felt a little weird and you know, making 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.920 fun of all the foreign sounding names. It's just that. Definitely, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.840 Bob Hope, like, let's dial it back a bit. Some 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.880 people don't are like over the Jimmy Kimmel, Matt Damon feud. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.400 I still think it's one of the funniest things ever. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.280 It's funny, but it's chafing. Sure, maybe it shouldn't have 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.000 been And that was how it was supposed to end. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.520 Did you hear that it was supposed to end with 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.280 Jimmy sitting next to Matt Damon, I assume saying something 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.240 like ha ha you lost. Yeah, exactly, But nope, he 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.200 had to be on stage fumbling with the rest of them. No, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:23.720 I didn't. I didn't love the show. I did like 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.760 the open with Justin Timberlake. Some people were saying, this 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:31.360 isn't the Grammys. It's like whatever, I hate Twitter when 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.000 when the Oscars is going on, I hate I love 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.400 and hate it because there's some funny stuff out there. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.440 You get to see a lot of ID at that time. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.080 But I you know, I love that song. Um so 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.120 what you were singing it earlier before we turn on 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.360 the microphones. When I sing that song to my son, 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.520 he smiles so big. So how could I not like 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.360 that song? And I thought it was great coming through 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.160 the crowd and everything. You know it was were you? Um? 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.240 You went to the Independent Spirit Awards, right. Um, I 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.280 watched from home, which seems to be my new malu. 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.639 Uh and um. I thought it was a very risky 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:11.040 but absolutely hilarious bit where Andy Sandberg did the like 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.119 that you didn't see. I wondered how it layed in 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.280 the room because he came out as Eddie Veteran saying 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.959 I'm still alive. Instead of an in memorium segment, they 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:19.760 showed people who were still alive and I want, I 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.800 mean like, it was very risky and I wondered how 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.160 it played in the room. I thought it was hilariously 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.040 how it played because at the same time that news 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:33.200 was breaking about Greg P. Russell having his sound nomination. Uh, 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.560 the Academy embarrassing a thirty year guy publicly when they 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.520 could have dealt with this quietly, and embarrassing him for what. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.000 On top of which, embarrassing him for something that everyone does, like, 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:44.879 I hope they don't stop with that. They they better 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.199 go rescind every Mirriamac's Best Picture nomination. Uh. It's that 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:54.240 was utter bullshit and uh. And then compounded with the academies, 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.520 you know, with the screw up at the Oscars and 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.680 not a great year even though they've you know, diversity 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.680 stuff was was nice. Uh, the Academy has had a 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.320 rough year. Yeah, and they have some changes to make. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:08.679 I think I hope they make them. So will you'll 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.240 be running for Academy president to say it's your platform 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.560 to announce that. Nope, Christmas Patrick should run. I don't 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:20.600 know who that is. If you understood that reference, you 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.560 know why that's awesome. I'm going to have to do 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:24.480 it now. Are you going to tell us saying that 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.879 to the to the audience, it's it's the SNL sketch 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.159 that uh, what's his name Kyle Mooney does where he's 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.679 running for class president and it's like one of my 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:38.159 favorite sketches on Saturday Night Left. And I'm so tired 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.480 that I'm just rambling at this point. This is the 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:46.080 last show of season one of But you have what 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.560 I think should be an OSCAR nominated movie on the 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:53.040 show this week. I do Who is it? James Mannold 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.040 from Logan? I wanted to talk about Logan. Oh my god, 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.159 I loved Logan so much. I mean, you know, I 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:00.679 don't know if I can say it's the best X 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:05.040 Men movie because it's so different. I would, Yeah, it's 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.520 a Western, but it is. It's a straight up Western. 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.520 I am not kidding. I am being completely serious when 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.720 I say Patrick Stewart should be up for Oscar consideration. 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:20.560 He's so fantastic and Logan, Um, yeah, it's kids, but 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.719 hard are I'm letting the listeners just despite you. I'm 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.440 going to have children and taking them Logan this week. 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.440 I did suggest at the beginning of this podcast way 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.800 back in September that everyone take their kids to Sausage Party. 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.439 Maybe I should close by saying take kids of Logan. 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:39.840 It's it's the blood Fest. And we have some we 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:41.760 I'm not even kidding. We have movies that I think 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:43.800 will be in the Oscar Conversation next year. Coming up 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:45.800 this month, we have Logan. We have Beauty in the 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:50.199 East in two weeks. Um. Yeah, so look we're already 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:55.919 back start making them. But yeah, I think this has 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.520 been a great run of shows here. So thanks for 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:02.680 being here with me weekend and week out. And yes, 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:28.960 stay tuned for James Mangold right after this m who 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.639 got ourselves an next Minute fan? Maybe a quarter of 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:37.719 it happened. I'm not let this in the real world, 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.359 people die, Logan. I don't want to talk about it. Logan, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:47.560 just stop, be careful. I need the girl. What girl 0:20:50.119 --> 0:21:20.680 go get h No? No no? And where do She's 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:27.240 like you, very much like you. Where I am not 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:32.160 whatever it is you think I am. She needs our help. 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:41.879 I want to come off. Someone has come along. This 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:48.600 is what life looks like. People love each other at home. 0:21:51.720 --> 0:22:02.760 You should take a moment feel it. Welcome back everyone, 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.240 I'm here with the director of Logan, James Mangold. Thanks 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.240 for doing the show man. I really appreciate it's good 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.480 to be here. I'm glad we could make it happen. Um, 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:12.840 we're just talking about all the travel you've been doing 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.159 for this movie. Yeah, we've done the kind of whirlwind. 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.679 Um of well, I was in Germany for the for 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.520