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Speaker 1: A heads up. The second half of this episode includes

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Speaker 1: some descriptions of violence, including intimate partner violence. Please listen

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Speaker 1: with care. It was a Wednesday in May. Susie and

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Speaker 1: her cousin Mimi were huddled on a bench in the

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Speaker 1: all morning trying to pass the time, trying to distract herself.

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Speaker 1: She'd called up a cousin in Tijuana. They sent each

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Speaker 1: other funny voice memos, stupid stuff, she told me. In

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Speaker 1: a room nearby, the jury was weighing the evidence, discussing

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Speaker 1: the testimonies they'd heard over nearly the last two weeks,

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Speaker 1: deciding whether Victor had done the horrendous thing he'd been

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Speaker 1: text message. When she saw that it was from Leslie Hinshaw,

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Speaker 1: the prosecutor, her heart began racing. The message said the

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Speaker 1: jury has reached a verdict. They had deliberated for less

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Speaker 1: than three hours. Susie opened her mouth to share the news,

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Speaker 1: that she felt like she was frozen. She was having

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Speaker 1: a panic attack. She'd been getting them a lot since

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Speaker 1: but never anything quite as bad, quite as debilitating as

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Speaker 1: this one. Right there in the hallway of the courthouse,

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Speaker 1: her face turned pale. Her cousin reminded her to breathe,

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Speaker 1: and the feeling only got more intense when the jurors

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Speaker 2: A verdict has been reached against a man accused of

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Speaker 2: killing his ex girlfriend. The suspect was captured after videos

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Speaker 1: There was a judge and the bailiff, and the clerk,

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Speaker 1: She watched as one of the jurors handed the judge

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Speaker 1: Get to the point. Finally, she heard the words.

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Speaker 3: We the jury and the above and titled action find

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Speaker 3: the defendant Victor Sosa guilty of the crime of the

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Speaker 3: murder of Daisy de la Oh.

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Speaker 1: Susie started crying and shaking when she heard it. She

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Speaker 1: Relief washed over her. She could feel the members of

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Speaker 1: were proud of this vision they'd made. Susie hugged Leslie,

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Speaker 1: the prosecutor. I have no words, she told her, but

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Speaker 1: thank you you fought so seriously for my kid. It

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Speaker 1: was May fourth, two and to Susie this date meant something.

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Speaker 1: She's a huge Star Wars fan, and as a lot

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Speaker 1: of Star Wars fans will probably tell you, May the

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Speaker 1: fourth sounds a lot like may the Force, you know,

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Speaker 1: May the Force be with you. But this day had

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Speaker 1: taken on a much bigger meaning for Susie. She told me,

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Speaker 1: today is going to be a good day to remember

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Speaker 1: justice prevailed today. Two days later, she went to the

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Speaker 1: the Justice for Daisy Instagram page.

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Speaker 4: I know a lot of you. I shares a story

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Speaker 4: on Facebook, Instagram and everything. There's no work, Honestly, I

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Speaker 4: have no words, no a month of time and money

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Speaker 4: that I could do to repay you, guys. Thank you,

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Speaker 4: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you as good

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Speaker 1: Susie was grateful, but she didn't really feel like celebrating.

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Speaker 1: Nothing could get back what she'd already lost. Nothing could

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Speaker 1: change what had already happened. If anything, the verdict only

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Speaker 1: made her daughter's death feel more real or final. All

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Speaker 1: little things you miss after all this chaos, she said.

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Speaker 1: But all this chaos wasn't over just yet. I'm Jen

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Speaker 1: Swan from London Audio iHeartRadio and executive producer Paris Hilton.

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Speaker 1: This is My Friend Daisy, Episode nine, After all this chaos.

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Speaker 1: Victor's sentencing hearing was held roughly five months after his

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Speaker 1: trial ended. It was October twelfth, twenty twenty two, and

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Speaker 1: Daisy's friends and family were nervous all over again, nervous

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Speaker 1: that after all this, after the tiktoks and the instagrams,

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Speaker 1: and even the guilty verdict, Victor's sentence still wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: quite harsh enough. Everyone in the courtroom was fidgeting in

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Speaker 5: Good morning around good meeting people on the court.

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Speaker 1: Her voice grew shaky as she recounted the day she

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Speaker 1: had to identify Daisy's body, the day she said that

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Speaker 6: I pay every day the parasite presents everything, the way

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Speaker 6: he viciously murdered her, and the way happy left her

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Speaker 5: Like she was nutty. I can't even imagine her last.

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Speaker 7: Moments, and that horrible thought is in my head every

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Speaker 8: Tell my whole family that she was murdered, to tell

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Speaker 8: my mother, to tell my sons, to tell my whole

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Speaker 5: Nobody ever prepares.

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Speaker 1: You for that, and nobody prepares you for every day

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Speaker 5: I cry every single day.

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Speaker 3: A smell, a song, and anything reminds me of her,

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Speaker 1: Susie's speech wasn't just about how Daisy's murder affected her

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Speaker 1: own family. It was also about its impact on Victor's family.

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Speaker 5: To other trial, he showed no remorse and emotions to

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Speaker 3: All families were destroyed that day because of him.

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Speaker 5: Well, I have.

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Speaker 3: To keep my peace is that he remains behind bars

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Speaker 3: for the rest of his pathetic life, so he won't

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Speaker 5: Thank you for serving justice to my beautiful Daisy. I

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Speaker 5: would love her to the end of my day and

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Speaker 5: I could to see her again. Thank you her mother.

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Speaker 1: The room was quiet, and then the judge announced Victor's sentence.

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Speaker 9: That's account wijuries finding the murder in the first degree

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Speaker 9: says will be twenty five years to in prison.

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Speaker 1: It's a life sentence at maximum, with parole eligibility after

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Speaker 1: the first twenty five years. I wanted to know what

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Speaker 1: the culmination of this case had felt like for Leslie Henshaw,

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Speaker 1: the Deputy district Attorney. She had won her case. It

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Speaker 10: When I get guilty verdicts, I don't. It's not a

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Speaker 10: celebration because in the end, there is somebody on the

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Speaker 10: for me, it's it's all about consequences and accountability.

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Speaker 1: That's what it's about.

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Speaker 11: But but yeah, so, I mean I was I was

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Speaker 11: happy in the sense that the jury got the right

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like so much of it is about closure, because,

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Speaker 1: like you said, it's so it's it almost feels like

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Speaker 1: there is no not to say, there is no justice.

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Speaker 1: But but but you know, it's not like anything will

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Speaker 1: bring Daisy back, right, And it seems like that's something

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Speaker 1: that you wrestle with too, is just like what is

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Speaker 1: the best possible outcome given the situation.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, there have been times where I've had

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Speaker 10: Why did you make these choices? You know, it's kind

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Speaker 10: of like what did you what did you go through

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Speaker 10: kind of like there's sort of a bit of exasperation

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Speaker 10: with that, like what happened?

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Speaker 1: What happened? How could Victor have murdered Daisy with such brutality?

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Speaker 1: Where did that come from? And how could he have

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Speaker 1: shown no remorse? At trial? He was silent the whole

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Speaker 1: God and seemed to be doing well in prison. She

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Speaker 1: I wrote him a letter. I explained that I was

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Speaker 1: that it would be a chance to say whatever he

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Speaker 1: I had, the questions that detectives never got to ask him.

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Speaker 1: I figured this was all a formality, that there was

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Speaker 1: The letter arrived in the mail last fall. It came

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Speaker 12: That's a globaltail link. You had a prepaid call from Victor,

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Speaker 12: an incarcrated individual. Lads the honorting kind of in correctional facility,

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Speaker 13: To accept this call?

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Speaker 1: When I got the call from Victor, I decided to

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Speaker 1: I'll summarize what Victor said next. He's had They got

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Speaker 13: I didn't hit her intentionally at the skateboard. I was

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Speaker 13: I mean I didn't. I didn't. I didn't want I

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Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you would you had hit her

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Okay, This automated warning happened a lot. I guess you

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Speaker 13: Okay, so kay, you asked that question.

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Speaker 13: Good way to put it. I ad met I was jealous.

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Speaker 13: Oh I would I would go through her phone and

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like you have regrets about that.

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Speaker 13: I I wish I wouldn't say help. I have dreams

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Speaker 1: Mmm. And and why why did you kill her? H?

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Speaker 13: Can we can we take a step back for a second,

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Speaker 13: Can you ask me another question for now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So it's my understanding that that she broke things

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Speaker 13: I remember she had she told me she'd seen someone

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Speaker 1: In Victor's version of events, events which of course cannot

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Speaker 13: I grabbed her for the ally and let her go.

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Speaker 13: She fell on the crown and I turned around and

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Speaker 13: what did I do? What did I do? And I

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Speaker 1: When Victor says that he grabbed Daisy and she fell

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Speaker 13: I don't, I don't, I don't want to say it said.

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Speaker 14: Right still, I feel it's still like.

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Speaker 13: Fresh to me in life. I'll still hurt by it,

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Speaker 13: It's just there's so hard to talk about. I'm just.

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Speaker 1: Pop right there, okay, And what what is your understanding

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Speaker 1: do you understand it?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 13: In court, I heard your mom talk talk about me

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Speaker 13: And I understand that they're her and howid anger against

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Speaker 13: I wish I could take it back.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 13: I just hope that an anyone hearing this podcast and

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Speaker 13: someone is He's never the answer, He's just hardly one

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Speaker 13: that that's around you, Harry. One gets effected by it,

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Speaker 13: not only one person or for you. Everyone gets affected. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: I like just I'm forever sorry.

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Speaker 1: Ever since Victor had written me that letter, I had

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Speaker 1: embracing myself for the possibility that he was going to

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Speaker 1: insist on his innocence. So a part of me was

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Speaker 1: relieved to hear him confess, to finally admit what Daisy's

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Speaker 1: friends and family had known all along. He had taken

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Speaker 1: Daisy's life. He murdered her because he said he felt alone,

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Speaker 1: because he had no other relationships, because he could not

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Speaker 1: handle the rejection of a breakup. All of this pain

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Speaker 1: all the suffering, all of this tragedy, it all seemed

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Speaker 1: to stem in some ways from insecurity, from jealousy. So

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Speaker 1: what happened, What happened was, in some ways just as

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Speaker 1: Susie had imagined. It was both as simple and as

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Speaker 1: devastating as what she told the judge at Victor's sentencing,

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Speaker 1: caring he.

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Speaker 5: Knew by outgrew him, he knew like Dacy didn't want

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Speaker 1: When I first interviewed Susie, even before the trial, she said,

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Speaker 1: if I have to be sixty seventy eighty years old

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Speaker 1: at the Pearole hearings, then I will do that. I'll

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Speaker 1: be there. He's always going to see my face always

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Speaker 1: next time. On the series finale of My Friend Daisy,

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Speaker 1: a search for answers about what happened in Mexico and

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Speaker 1: an update on Jeffrey's case. I no, I mean, yeah, damn,

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Speaker 1: how freaky. I remember.

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Speaker 2: I remember walking the kid into the courtroom like right,

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Speaker 2: like Keith, like the key with my kid, like you know, hey,

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Speaker 2: don't orro by it.

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Speaker 13: You'll be good.

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Speaker 2: That's that's messed up. Hi, everyone, this is Paris. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for listening to My Friend Daisy. If you are someone

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Speaker 2: you love is experiencing abuse. You are not alone. Help

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Speaker 2: is available twenty four to seven. Contact the National Domestic

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Speaker 2: Violence Hotline for free confidential support. Call eight hundred seven

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Speaker 2: nine to nine seven two three three, text start to

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Speaker 2: eight eight seven eight eight, or visit the hotline dot

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Speaker 2: org your safety matters reach out today.

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Speaker 1: support from Sony Music Entertainment. It's reported, written and executive

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Speaker 1: produced by me Jen Swan. I'm also your host. Our

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Speaker 1: executive producers for London Audio are Paris Hilton, Bruce Gersh

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