1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, May twenty third, the 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: second week of testimony, and the Ditty trial is done. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: And it wrapped Thursday with one of the most highly 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: anticipated witnesses so far, Kid Cuddy, the rapper who briefly 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: dated Cassie Ventura, Ditty's ex girlfriend. And with that, welcome 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. Roodes. We continue 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: to be, as you put it, the one stop shop 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: to get folks caught up so they don't have to 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: go shopping around a bunch of places with a bunch 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: of reporting on a bunch of testimony. 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: Which is what we've been doing to get everyone caught up. 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 2: But yes, this was a quite a week. The first 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: week was explicit, the second week even more so because 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: a lot of this testimony backed up and added context 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: to what we heard from Cassie Ventur about what she 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: claimed she suffered for nearly eleven years at the hands 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: of Ditty. 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: That's a good way to put it. She was there 19 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: for three, maybe even four days that she spent time 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: on the stand setting a foundation, and now everybody is 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: coming in essentially corroborating or at least lending something to 22 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: what she said, Like oh, Yeah, that thing we saw 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: Diddy do. That's in line with what Cassie said. So 24 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of that. We got sixteen witnesses 25 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: so far. We do. Let you know, testimony is not 26 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: going to start again until next Tuesday. They took off 27 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: for the holiday weekend, but Robes as they wrapped up 28 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: the week, I like asking you here, what stood out 29 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: to you from the previous day that we now have 30 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: in the books. 31 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: You know, I know we had some explosive witnesses, but 32 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: I actually was taken it back by the testimony from 33 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: the general manager of an La hotel. Where did he 34 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 2: stayed frequently? Where did he apparently had these freak offs frequently? 35 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: And I was blown away that the hotel was so 36 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: aware of the craziness that was going on in these 37 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: hotel rooms that he would book under his alias, that 38 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: they actually had notes in a file with his alias 39 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: name about what to do, how to deal with all 40 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: the craziness, including spring air freshener in the hallways because 41 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: of the smells that were coming out of the room, 42 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: the fact that they had to shut down the room, 43 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: close it down for reservations after they left because they 44 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: knew they would have to do a deep clean. I mean, 45 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: the details just go on and on. But these were 46 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: physical notes written in a computer, so that the next 47 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: hotel employee who dealt with Diddy and his gang knew 48 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: how to manage it. And yet none of us knew 49 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: what was going on, And yet so many people were 50 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: aware of what was actually happening. 51 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: He's speaking there of the general manager of a hotel. 52 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,559 Speaker 1: He was one of several witnesses on the stand yesterday. 53 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: At least four were up there yesterday, among them the 54 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: former assistant. He continued his testimony from the previous day. 55 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: Did he's former assistant George Kaplan is his name. We 56 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: had a makeup artist who used to work for Diddi 57 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: but then ended up working for Cassie. She testify to 58 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: some violence that she saw. And then of course we 59 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: had Kid Cutty. Let's start there. Kid Cutty is a 60 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: Grammy winner. This guy is I'm not sure who compare 61 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: him to in the rap world, but he's for some people. 62 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: You got to do a little bit of a deep dive, 63 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: right he is. He's not a grand, top chart topping 64 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: hit maker type guy. He is more of a guy 65 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: that stains in his lane. He's a little he's a 66 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: little more I would say creative. He's outside the box 67 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: of regular hip hop and all, not. 68 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: Like a gangster rap. He's not doing rap beefs with people. 69 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 2: And yet somehow he got caught up in all of 70 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: this diddy back and forth. 71 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: But I had never heard of him. 72 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: But that's the thing. A lot of people don't seem 73 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: to know who he is. And he is well respected 74 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: in that community as being a creative, a really not 75 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: just a raw guy who gets up there. Obviously has talent, 76 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: but he is respected as a creative. We'll give him, 77 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: folks an idea of who this guy is. But he 78 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: walked in Roseman. The first thing that struck me was 79 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: what he was wearing. I mean, he got out of 80 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: the car. This is a very high profile trout, a 81 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: beat up motorcycle jacket, white T shirt, smoking a cigarette, 82 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: walking into. 83 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 3: The court room, blue jeans on. 84 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: That's how he chose the show. That's him, that's in 85 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: line with him, that's in line with his personality, do 86 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: you think. But that struck me as soon as I 87 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: saw it, like, where is he going? Is he going 88 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: into a club? 89 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: It looked like he was going into a James dean audition, 90 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: like he really was channeling that casual cool. I don't 91 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 2: give an f as he was walking in and like 92 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 2: the cigarette that had to be a choice, right or 93 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: did he just really need a smoke before he walked 94 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: in because he was nervous. 95 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: You never know, but smokers, you never know when they 96 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: need a smoke break, but when they need one, they 97 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: need one. But he walked in completely chilling. But the 98 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: background here of the relevance here robes is that this 99 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: is the guy who dated Cassie for about a month. 100 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: And I guess we've heard heard the story so many 101 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: times at this point of how did he find out 102 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: found out about it? And that's how Cutty finds himself 103 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:49,559 Speaker 1: in this store. 104 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, so Cassie and did he apparently even though 105 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: they were broken up, were still apparently freaking off. That 106 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 2: actually was news to me as well. But he's going 107 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: through her phone because he had access to everything that 108 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: was hers and saw email from Cuttie's kid Cutti's assistant 109 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: asking about Cassie's toiletry bag over at Kid Cuttie's place, 110 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: and he went ballistic and the beef started then and 111 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: it got it went just it went from just him 112 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: being angry to him. Actually, according to Kid Cutty and Cassie, 113 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: taking action against the rapper. 114 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: This is where he comes in to play. Here where 115 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: Kid Cutty claims that after this there was a break 116 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: into his home and that somebody torched his car with 117 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: a Molotov cocktail. He believes that Diddy is behind both 118 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: of those. He described an incident in which he got 119 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: on the phone with Ditty and they were telling him 120 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: to come home, like threatening him and telling him to 121 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: come to his own house, say when he got through 122 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: the places trashed? But did he wasn't there? So even 123 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: on the stand telling the story, and maybe we hear 124 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: all this and it pieces together with okay, maybe that 125 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: sounds like Diddy or that's in line with some other stuff. 126 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: They had proved necessarily that Diddy was there, but the 127 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: inference is. 128 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: Clear they might be setting up a way to prove 129 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: it in that there was someone else there. 130 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 3: Did he? According to Cutty? 131 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: And what we may here next week a woman who 132 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: was his assistant at the time, who were expecting to 133 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: be on the stand on Tuesday. Her name's Capricorn. Hard 134 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: to forget that name, but she apparently was there too, 135 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: So perhaps we will hear from her corroborating what we 136 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: heard from Kid Cutty that yeah, Diddy and his folks 137 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: were there and they opened up his Christmas presents, like 138 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: unwrapped them, locked his dog up, So he was very 139 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: upset about all of that. And of course the Porsche 140 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: incident we heard from Cassie Ventura saying that did he 141 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: when he found out, said I'm going to blow up 142 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: his car? Like actually said that and then lo and 143 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: behold a short time later, Kid Cutty's car actually was 144 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: torched and blew up. 145 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: That lets you know who Kid Cutt he is and 146 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: why he's important to this case. But he got on 147 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: the stand, I think robes and this is part of 148 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: the reason we want to do this these updates we're 149 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: continued to do so throughout the trial is because a 150 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: lot of times you only see a headline and you 151 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: try to make sense of it. And the headline that 152 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: many of you may have seen already is that Cutt 153 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: he called did he a Marvel super villain? And there's 154 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: some context with that. We got some earlier and piece 155 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: this story together and that sounds like it's clever and 156 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: it's cute and that's funny, but there's a whole lot more. 157 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: To it than that, that's right, because actually when he 158 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: said that in the courtroom from the people who were 159 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: there inside, said, the audience or the folks in the 160 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: courtroom laughed. They were chuckling at what he said. But 161 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: there was really nothing funny about what he was describing. 162 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: Because he went to go meet him to try and 163 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: deal with all of this back and forth and to 164 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: stop any more threats or potential vie olence. And so 165 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: he met him at the Soho house and Cassie was there, 166 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: but he said he was stood there in a silhouette 167 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: with his hands behind his back, standing in a super 168 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: villain position, just to give you an idea. And look, 169 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: we've talked to folks who know him and say that's 170 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: right on brand. 171 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: That surprised me. We did. We talked to someone who's 172 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: worked with him over the years and right in the 173 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: middle of the height of bad Boy and said, yes, 174 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: that is a that's absolutely I recognize it. I know it. 175 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: I've seen it a hundred times. He just and if 176 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: you stop and think about a lot of these Disney movies, 177 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: you can see it. There's some guy standing on a 178 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: window looking out, hands behind his back, some ominous look. 179 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: He said that was something he was known for and 180 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: Diddy regularly did. But he said it in a funny way, 181 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: a Marvel supervillain. But those, you know, super villains are scary. 182 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: They certainly are, and they can do damage and intimidating. 183 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: I think that's what I took away from it. 184 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: Just yes, we're hearing about the physical violence and that thrust, 185 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: but there was just a physical intimidation. He knew how 186 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: to stand a certain way, how to look at you 187 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: a certain way, how to just speak volumes, perhaps without 188 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: even saying anything at all. So when Kid Cutty described 189 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: that scene, we can all see it in our heads, 190 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: and it all makes sense that part of the reason 191 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: why the prosecution is trying to set up this case 192 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: of coercion, and a lot of that was with drug use, 193 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: they say, but also just with his the threatening nature 194 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: of who he was and what he said he would do. 195 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: So Cuddy did say they had a meeting did He 196 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: looked to him in the eye, said I'm not responsible 197 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: for any of that stuff. I didn't do it. He 198 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: shook on it. Cut He said, I didn't believe him 199 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: for a second, and then he said several years later, 200 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: they ran into each other and did. He wasn't specific, 201 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: but he apologized for all that bs, all that mess, 202 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: So he took it as an admission, but he didn't 203 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: wasn't specific about Yeah, you. 204 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 2: Know something else that just reminded me that Cutty said 205 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 2: Kid Cutty said that was interesting and perhaps wasn't what 206 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 2: the prosecution was hoping he would say. But and I 207 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: don't know how the jury would will take this, but 208 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: he said that both he and Diddy got played by 209 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: Cassie Ventur, so that probably wasn't a I don't know 210 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: how big of a strike that was against the prosecution 211 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: and in terms of keeping Cassie Ventor's credibility where they wanted, 212 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: but he certainly felt like he'd been played by her. 213 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: I mean they only were together for about a month. 214 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: But he also said he got out of it because 215 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: he just could not deal with all the drama. And 216 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: I think when you hear him tell his story about 217 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 2: what that month was like for him and even the 218 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: few weeks that followed, that makes a lot of sense. 219 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: That's still to your point about the he said they 220 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: got played. I mean you talk about they try to 221 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: keep up with her credibility, but her culpability is going 222 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: to be an issue in this case because they did 223 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: wait all these text messages. She wanted to be there, 224 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: she was initiating, she was leading sometimes, and all these things. 225 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: And to hear, yes, her testimony was devastating to hear 226 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: clearly we know and we have seen her be abused, 227 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: but to hear if it a steady drum beat, even 228 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: a little bit here and there of Oh, Cassie's not 229 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: just victims just a victim, She's an accomplice to some degree, 230 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: is what the defense is trying to establish. And maybe 231 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: that one little comment, yeah, I got played by Cassie 232 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: plays in some way to wonder, it. 233 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,599 Speaker 3: Plays oh you need Yeah, It plants the seat in 234 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: someone's head. 235 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: And you think about that meeting when he came to 236 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: confront Ditty, or at least to try and calm things down. 237 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: She was in the room with them, standing next to Ditty. 238 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: So that is those are all. It seems small and 239 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: potentially insignificant, but it could plant a seed in a 240 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: juror's head. 241 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: The other and we talk about that. We're going to 242 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: go through some details here now that you all. I 243 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: just can't believe this was from the general manager of 244 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: Lameritage in La a hotel out there. But Frederick Zeemour 245 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: is his name, the general manager. But Robes this blew 246 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: my mind. Talk about culpability, we talk about who did 247 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: all of us in some way allow this to happen? 248 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: In playing sight, this hotel might have some more to 249 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: answer given this testimony. 250 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: And that's right because mister Zmore testify that notes at 251 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: and this is just one hotel. 252 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: Who knows what other hotels had. 253 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 2: But in his hotel there was a note under the 254 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: profile Frank Black, which is the alias that did he 255 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: use when he came to the hotel, and they knew 256 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: exactly who was coming, and so under the name Frank 257 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: Black here were some of the notes. Always spills candle 258 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: wax on everything and uses excessive amounts of oil, so 259 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: even they knew about the baby oil. 260 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: See different we fall probably well, we travel enough to 261 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: where you're at a play or even if you have 262 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: rewards or something like a rowds program, you go to 263 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: a hotel, they have a profile on you that knows 264 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: you like this has a nut allergy if you're there enough. 265 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: It's that kind of thing. There is a guest profile 266 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: that is warning guest or the hotel employees. This is 267 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: how you handle this guy. This is how he behaves, 268 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: This is how you need to do it. In response, 269 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: why would anybody would kicked out for the behavior right 270 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: what they have in his profile? 271 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: Why would you be allowed to return? You know, I imagine 272 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: at a certain point. So to that point, they also 273 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: did say that when you are checking in anyone who's 274 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: checking in Frank Black, you have to authorize an extra 275 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: one thousand dollars when that guest stays with us to 276 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: cover any room damages. So clearly they learned that there 277 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: are massive damages coming. 278 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: So why would you want him back in the hotel? 279 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: I guess because as Sean Diddy comes that, is there 280 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: any other reason that the financial because somebody pays for. 281 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: Hotels, is he paying more than other guests? That makes 282 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: no sense to me. 283 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: So yes, to your point that I would love to 284 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: ask some more questions of this hotel. 285 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 286 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: The note also instructs staff to place the room out 287 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: of order upon departure for deep cleaning. Again, that means 288 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 2: that they can't then have that room available for another guest. 289 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: When you know, late late checkout probably doesn't even matter, 290 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: but to get someone back in right. 291 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: Imagine, I mean the punisher called own, Hey, we're going 292 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: to need a late checkout. 293 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 3: We need a late checkout. 294 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: But then you can't have new guests come into that 295 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: room it looks like for another twenty four hours. So 296 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: now you're losing money every time did he comes because 297 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: you can't release the room as normal people do. And 298 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: I guarantee you told him you got a twelve pm checkout. 299 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 3: He is not going to be adhering to that. 300 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: You know what many people who are thinking, when when 301 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: did I stay at that hotel? 302 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 3: Right? 303 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: Did I stay in that I did? It did smell 304 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: a little weird. 305 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: People are probably staying in those rooms right now and 306 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: don't even know it. 307 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: That's freaky to use it. I keep using that word. 308 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: Why you know what? 309 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: You use this? Or I did not know? And we 310 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: need to address this. These are freak offs. Yes, you 311 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: earlier said that someone was freaking off? So can it 312 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: be a verb and a noun? 313 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: I mean I feel established, I feel like, yeah, the. 314 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: First time I heard anybody said that was just you 315 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: about five minutes ago. 316 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: That was a slip of the top. 317 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: They were freaking off. 318 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: It's a verb now, I mean, I feel like that's 319 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: an appropriate use of the word what you're doing. 320 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: Later, I'll be freaking off. I'm not gonna be able 321 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: to witch all until maybe next week. 322 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me know when that's over, because I have 323 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: no desire to be freaking off with anybody. 324 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: My goodness. 325 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 326 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: And then the air freshener thing, which I mentioned off 327 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: the top, so. 328 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: Apparently it was so crazy that it seeped out into 329 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: the hallway. I mean, what did it smell like? Does 330 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: baby oil smell a certain way? 331 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: Baby oil, possibly burning candles, sweaty flesh, vomiting. 332 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: She's yes, she said she got sick from all the 333 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: drug use. 334 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: Look y'all, that's urine. 335 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: Oh how did we forget that? They're peeing in each 336 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: other's mouths and it spills out into. 337 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: The given that detail, and then oh my god. 338 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, it probably 339 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: smelled like a frat house. 340 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: But the note here in quotes it said, please monitor 341 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: outside his room down the hall to spray air freshener. 342 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: You just have to monitor a guest room because we 343 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: know all kinds of foolishness. Did they not know something 344 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: illegal was going on? 345 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: Well? I was just wondering is there any culpability speaking 346 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: of culpability from these establishments that are allowing a person 347 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: to come into their establishment and other guests are there, 348 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: so they're responsible for other guests' experiences, other guests safety, 349 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: and maybe even the guests he's bringing into the room. 350 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: Do they have any responsibility if something happens at their hotel? 351 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: Why would they continue to let him to. 352 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: They're going to claim they didn't know. They have to right, 353 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: They're going to claim they didn't know a llegal activity 354 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: was going on, but they're permitting it. I mean people 355 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: being paid for sex. I believe that's still illegal. 356 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: It is unless you're in Las Vegas. 357 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: They're not. But yeah, that was to hear that. It 358 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: was really eye opening to hear that they had a 359 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: file essentially and knew how to handle him based on 360 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: these free COFs. The other a significant couple new details 361 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: there from George Kaplan, the former assistant. He had been 362 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: on the stand the previous day, but he wrapped up 363 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: in the morning, but he confirmed the stories that Cassie 364 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: also told. He said he left his job because he 365 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: did witness or be abused on more than one occasion, 366 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: so he wrapped up his testim And again, this is 367 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: another guy we talked about, like many, he didn't want 368 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: to be there and almost wasn't going to be. 369 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: There no, because he genuinely had to incriminate himself with 370 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: drug activity, picking up drugs, bringing the drugs to him 371 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 2: in order to testify accurately, and so yes, he had 372 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: to get an immunity deal from the judge before he 373 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: even felt comfortable speaking about what he saw, what he witnessed, 374 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: and what he participated in for some of those months. 375 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: Someone else who took the stand that I thought was 376 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: really telling and corroborating for Cassie's story was the makeup 377 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: artist that was a makeup artist for both Sean Diddycomb's 378 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: and for Cassie Ventura Maya Morales. But she actually details 379 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 2: a very specific event where she was sleeping or napping 380 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 2: and she heard yelling and it was so significant. Cassie 381 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: comes running in, she's got She said she witnessed a 382 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: black eye, a busted lip, and her injuries were so 383 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: bad that she took her back to her personal home 384 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 2: and had a friend of hers who was a physician, 385 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: come and examine Cassie and said, you need to go 386 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 2: to the emergency room, Cassie refused to go to the 387 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: emergency room, refused to call police. And here's this Maya 388 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: Morales and her friend who's a physician. Everyone just stays quiet. 389 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: They're afraid, she said, she was afraid. 390 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: We're going to have to get into this later. And 391 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: I think we could all learn something about this case. No, 392 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: not every instance deals with a guy as powerful as 393 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: a diddy. But to hear the number of people who 394 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: are aware, who were literally there when crimes were taking 395 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: place that they're now describing on a stand and not 396 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: a single person called police. I am not aware of 397 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: this point, at least of a police report that was 398 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: done anywhere. 399 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 2: No, the only time I've even heard so far in 400 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 2: testimony that there was ever police involved or called was 401 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 2: when he was standing outside her home with a hammer 402 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: after the video that we all saw. Correct, and her 403 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: friend only called other people in the diddy circle. 404 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: They don't know how it happened. 405 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: But hours later a police officer showed up and they said, 406 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: nothing's wrong, no problem, Naha, We've. 407 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: Got to do better. I mean, this is a tough 408 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: lesson for all of us to be learning together. But 409 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: to hear how many, I mean, they're like we could 410 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: probably just start naming up to ten easily. But there's 411 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: more who saw it and no one did anything. I 412 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: know what they're arguing. There's a powerful guy. We were 413 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: fearful of physical harm, death, all kinds of stuff. That 414 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: makes sense, but we got we gotta do better. 415 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: You know. That is one thing that perhaps something good 416 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 2: that could come out of all of this is just 417 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: I think people don't feel like they have a voice 418 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: or that they will be believed, And perhaps that could 419 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: have been true too. 420 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. 421 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: But when you're going up someone who's powerful and rich 422 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,239 Speaker 2: and regarded and esteemed and can make or break your 423 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: career and has proven it seems like that he if 424 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: he doesn't like you, will seek revenge. If you've angered him, 425 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 2: he will do something to you. So there is retribution 426 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: for any of that. But my god, you just if 427 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 2: just one person, and I don't know, like, do you 428 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 2: trust police in this situation? Do you trust There's that 429 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 2: whole issue as well, where if you go to police, 430 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: how do you know that did he isn't gonna pay 431 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: them off or have them in your back pocket? Like, 432 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: there's just so many there's so much fear, is so 433 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 2: it's either motivating or it's crippling, and it looks like 434 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 2: it crippled so many people for so many years, and 435 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: there are so many victims because of it. 436 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: It's complex and we get that, but it's just we 437 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: this is a hell of a And again, folks, we 438 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: will continue to update you and do these daily updates 439 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: so the trial, because it is important, we think, to 440 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: get past headlines, to get past baby oil, to get 441 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: past super villain, to get past some of the salaciousness 442 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: in the headlines. But we're going to continue to tell 443 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: you what's happening, but I want to keep a conversation 444 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: going with you all as well, so we certainly appreciate 445 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 1: you all listening. 446 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 3: That's right. 447 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: And so again, there is no court Friday today, there's 448 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 2: no court on Monday from Memorial Day, but things will 449 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: resume on Tuesday, and it seems like they're going to 450 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: be kicking off with another bang as the prosecution continues 451 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: its case against Sean Diddy Coom and we will be 452 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 2: there with you through it all. Hope you all have 453 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 2: a wonderful weekend.