1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in our number two Clay 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Travis buck Sexton Show. We're headed up to Minnesota here 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: momentarily to talk with doctor Scott Jensen, who was the 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Republican candidate for governor in the twenty twenty two race. 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: See of a doctor and he is now being attacked 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: he believes for political purposes and this has become a 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: real challenge for many different doctors all over the country. California, 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: you'll recall, introduced a bill trying to dictate what doctors 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: were and were not allowed to say. Some of you 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: may remember I spoke at my local school board meeting 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: against masks in the summer into the fall of twenty 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: twenty one. It was a heated hearing. One of the 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: individuals who spoke there was a doctor against the wearing 15 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: of masks family. She had a medical complaint lodged against 16 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: her based on coming out against masks. It is amazing 17 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: how many people in the medical profession have suddenly decided 18 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: that scientific methods should not apply and that you were 19 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: not allowed to ask questions at all. And with that 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: as the prelude, we bring in doctor Scott Jensen from 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: up in Minnesota and tell us what exactly is happening 22 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: to you, doctor Jensen. As a result, you think of 23 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: some of the political positions that you've adopted, including running 24 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: as a Republican for governor of Minnesota. Well, thank you 25 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: for having me on your show. I've been investigated now 26 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: six times. The first four were readily dismissed, and it 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: appears from conversations that would with the Board of Medical 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: Practice in Minnesota, as well as the nature of that complaints, 29 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: that these are not complaints that have anything to do 30 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: with anybody ever receiving a healthcare service. For me, I've 31 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: never been investigated in my career, but suddenly six times, 32 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: and this last time they resurrected the fifth investigation and 33 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: added on a six I think, let me let me 34 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: cut you off there. These investigations would be precipitated by 35 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: what what does it require in Minnesota for a doctor 36 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: to be investigated? These would be all over the map. 37 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: This would be a scattergram. This is I said that 38 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: I don't think masks prevent you with one hundred percent 39 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: guarantee from getting the disease or transmitted. I said that 40 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: cotton masks don't do a whole lot. I've said that 41 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: kids can effectively wear masks. I've said that we should 42 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: allow treatment standards to proceed as they normally do, allowing 43 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: us to use off label prescriptions as I've done for 44 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: forty years. I've said things the vaccines aren't as effective 45 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: as we thought they would. The var's data program has 46 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: more problematic issues with this vaccine than all the other 47 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: vaccines combined for the last thirty years. All of these 48 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: were the things that were, if you will, complaints lodged 49 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: against me, including the way I lifted my position at 50 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: the University of Minnesota as a clinical associate pros. So 51 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: you're being investigated for sharing your opinion that masks are 52 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: not that effective at preventing the spread of COVID and 53 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: don't work very well for kids. I mean, sorry to 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: interrupt you here, but shouldn't that be the essence of 55 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: what doctors debate. Isn't that the scientific method at its best? 56 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there still has yet to be any study 57 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: whatsoever worth its salt that suggests that masks and kids, 58 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: for instance, in schooling, did anything other than distort the 59 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: learning process. This is crazy. So this targeting. What does 60 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: it look like and what is it? What are you 61 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: required to do as a result of this targeting. It 62 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: looks like and feels like a witch hunt. It looks 63 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: like the Board of Medical Practices being weaponized by people 64 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: who don't like my politics. This has nothing to do 65 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: with my professional behavior the way I care for patients. 66 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: This has to do with the fact that I'm supposed 67 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: to have free speech and political speech matters. How can 68 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: you be a senator and run for governor and not 69 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: be able to give your opinion on these kind of things. 70 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: And I have been very data driven. I've submitted articles 71 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: with all of my complaints. So this feels to me 72 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: really ugly. Is this has to be happening to doctors. 73 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: And as a prelude to bringing you on, I talked 74 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: about what we are seeing and hearing from doctors all 75 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: over this country that suddenly the anti science wing of 76 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party has decided there's only one permissible opinion 77 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: on a variety of different issues out there. And I'm 78 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: sure that as you're fighting these battles in Minnesota, you're 79 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: hearing from doctors not only in your own state, but 80 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: all over the country who are having the same issues. 81 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: We're hearing exactly that physicians are frightened to speak up, 82 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: but more and more of them are reaching out to 83 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: me quietly and letting me know, hey, you know we're 84 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: with you. And then we're getting donations, contributions, tremendous amount 85 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: of support. But frankly, we're seeing medical schools participate in 86 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: a wokeness and the hippocratic oaths has been pushed to 87 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: the wayside, and we're seeing other kinds of homemade oaths 88 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: that tell people this class of early doctors will be 89 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: doing this and this and this, and it's just it's 90 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: unbelievable what's happened to our medical schools, our collegiate programs. 91 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: Doctors who've been in the program for ten, twenty, thirty, 92 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: forty years. People are frightened to speak up because they 93 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: don't want to lose their license. So when did this start? 94 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: Like you've been a doctor for a long time now, 95 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: I think this is jarring for many people out there. 96 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: We talked about on this program. For instance, last May, Stanford, 97 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: which is an elite academic institution, all of the kids 98 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: that were graduating from Stanford Medical School wore masks at 99 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: their graduation ceremony that is not supported by any kind 100 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: of scientific need. What when did this all start? This 101 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: idea that everyone had to have the same opinion in 102 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: the medical profession, and that not only did those opinions 103 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: have to be consistent, they're going to be zealously searching 104 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: for outlier opinions and trying to silence doctors who are 105 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: not speaking the exact same truth as everyone else. Well, 106 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: I can't speak for everywhere, but I think it started 107 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: in Minnesota in April. That was when I raised the 108 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: question of really, you're going to lock down these businesses 109 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: and say they're non essential or they're non safe, and 110 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: these other ones get to stay open. Really, you're going 111 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: to lock nursing home patients in a facility where they're 112 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: basically being consigned to an ugly death. You're locking kids 113 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: out of school. I was the one who in April 114 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, I said, listen, if you're going to 115 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: coach me to use COVID nineteen as a cause of 116 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: death when it's nothing more than a contributing factor, or 117 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: perhaps nothing even at that level, you're going to corrupt 118 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: the value of the data that we normally calbulate throughout 119 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: the years, and that's exactly what happened. I mean those 120 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: two months after I did that, that I was being instigated. 121 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: So I think it goes back to them. But I 122 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: think medicine is showing an unbelievable appetite. When I say medicine, 123 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: I mean our profession, an unbelievable appetite to be woke 124 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: and to say, listen, you either go along with the 125 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: standard line or you know you're not going to practice medicine. 126 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: And this is just wrong in so many ways. We 127 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: got doctors all over the country listening to you, and 128 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: I know they're nodding along, and certainly we have a 129 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: lot of people who are not doctors who would include 130 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: me nodding along with you as well. How do we win? 131 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: How do we fight back here and stop the medical 132 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: profession from embracing all these tenets of wokeness and insisting 133 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: on uniformity of opinion on so many contentious issues which 134 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: do not lend themselves to uniformity of opinion, because, as 135 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: you well know, many of the things that our public 136 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: health authorities told us were unacceptable to say or do 137 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: were later proven to have been right, while they were 138 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: proven to have been wrong. I think We have to 139 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: be courageous. We have to realize that this is about 140 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: more than a single physician's career. Is at the heart 141 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: and soul of our nation. This is about free speech 142 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: in the First Amendment, this is about the Fourteenth Amendment 143 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: and due process. We can't let up. We have to 144 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 1: continue to fight back and be courageous. It's not easy, 145 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: it feels ugly, it feels frightening. But you know, the 146 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: definition of courage is not being brave when you're not afraid. 147 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: Courage is when you're brave and you are afraid. That's 148 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: well said. And this to me became a big issue 149 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: at doctors in particular, and I'm sure you remember this, 150 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: doctor Jensen. In around June of twenty twenty, the American 151 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: Association of Pediatricians came out and said schools have to 152 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: be open. Kids are going to fail more from being 153 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: out of school than they are in school. And then 154 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: when Trump came out and said, hey, you know what, Yeah, 155 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: schools need to be open, the pediatric group basically reversed 156 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 1: their opinion. The reason why I bring this up is 157 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: is there an organization and if there is not, someone 158 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: needs to start one nationwide to defend doctors, and they're 159 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: the scientific method and your ability to retain your medical 160 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: license even if you sometimes are sharing information that is 161 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: not the majority opinion. Are you aware of an organization 162 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: like that, because it seems like there needs to be 163 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: one nationwide fighting for doctors who are willing to speak 164 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: their minds. There is such an organization, and I believe 165 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: it's acronyms APS. It's an association of positions and surgeons 166 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: who've been strong and courageous and they have been speaking 167 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: up again. It's a APS. And I also think that 168 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: if people want to know really what the some of 169 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: the best science was, it was the Great Barrington Declaration 170 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: written yes, Coldorf and Gupta, and that really said it right, 171 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: and those people have been proven right. Doctor Jenn said, 172 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: how can people I'm gloved that that organization exists AAPS. 173 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: We're going to make sure we get that right. We'll 174 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: share it for you on the clay and website for 175 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: other physicians out there that may not be familiar with it. 176 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: What can people do to help you in the meantime, 177 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: because I wanted to make sure you could share your 178 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: story with our audience and also speak to many other 179 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: doctors out there that might be facing similar issues in 180 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: their own communities. I wrote a book and released it 181 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: about seven months ago called We've Been Played, and it 182 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: goes at the triad of tyranny of big tech and 183 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: big pharma and big government, and I believe that tyranny 184 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: of that triad is absolutely responsible. Book intruding into our 185 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: lives like never before. And people can purchase a book 186 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: at doctor Scott jensenbook dot com. Dr Scott j e 187 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: n scnbook dot com. I think people need to understand 188 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: what's happening to us. If they purchase a book, I 189 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: think they'll get a lot more in my perspective. Peter 190 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: McCullough wrote the introduction to it, and again I really 191 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: appreciate how you're having me on your program because this 192 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: is what America is all about. Thank you so much, 193 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Jensen. Keep fighting the good fight and we will 194 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: set putting up some of those links that you shared 195 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: with us on Clayinbuck dot com. Thank you man. This 196 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: is again. When I come back, I want to play 197 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: a clip for you that came from CBS News and 198 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: I think many of you are going to be shocked 199 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: by it. I appreciate doctor Jensen coming on. Did you know. 200 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: I talked about this, I believe on the Friday edition 201 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: of the program. They're finally acknowledging that the rate of 202 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: heart attack in, for instance, twenty five to forty four 203 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: year olds is up thirty percent over historic averages. There's 204 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: a twenty five year old Belgian soccer goalie who collapsed 205 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: and died on the field. Recently, there have been all 206 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: sorts of relatively young athletes having heart related issues. 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You 235 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: know it, you feel it. I talked about it yesterday, 236 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: and I think it ties in well with the Brookings 237 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: Institute and what the New York Times and the Brookings 238 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: Institute we're trying to do to this radio program. If 239 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: you speak outside the acceptable norms, you are a threat. 240 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: Doctors who spoke out against masks and the shutdowns of 241 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: schools were a threat to the idea that all doctors 242 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: had the same opinion. You know when I spoke at 243 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: that school board meeting back in August of twenty twenty 244 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: one and laid out all the data, the same things 245 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: that I would have been saying to you, I care 246 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: about my kids more than anything in the world. If 247 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: my young kids had been safer from masks, I would 248 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: have been fine with masks being used. They were not. 249 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: I was not fine with the cosmetic theater. I spoke 250 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: out on behalf of many parents who felt the same way, 251 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: and I think almost all parents now recognize that masking 252 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: kids made no sense. Every single person who spoke against 253 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: us was in the medical field. They were in their scrubs, 254 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: nurses and doctors, all wearing masks, saying it was unsafe 255 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: for kids to be in school without masks. Why were 256 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: they dressed overwhelmingly their medical gear. Because they were using 257 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: their profession as a as a bonus, as the legitimizing 258 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: force behind their opinion, and they were all wrong. Many 259 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: doctors knew that they were all wrong, but they were 260 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: so afraid of the power of that doctor cartel that 261 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: many of them would not speak out for fear of 262 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: what might happen to them. If you counter the majority 263 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: opinion in much of American society today, you are risking 264 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: everything that is unfortunately, meaning that the marketplace of ideas 265 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: itself is under siege, and that is terrifying. Should be well. 266 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: Also terrifying is what medical experts are saying to explain 267 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: why there has been a thirty percent increase in heart 268 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: attack deaths among people aged twenty five to forty four. 269 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: For a long time they said, oh, this is just 270 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: make believe there's not more heart attacks. It's just anecdotal. 271 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: You're just making it up. Well, now, even on CBS 272 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: News they're discussing a massive increase in young people heart 273 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: attack deaths. Right used to be you die twenty five 274 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: to forty four of a heart attack, that's almost unheard of. 275 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: Up thirty percent. Here's what they said on CBS was 276 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: causing it might be more at Ristler. We don't know 277 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: for sure, And in fact, these death certificates are probably 278 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: not even capturing the fact that they might have had COVID. 279 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: They're really just saying did you die from a heart 280 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: attack or not. What we do know, however, is that 281 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: younger people were less likely to protect themselves against COVID 282 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: than older people, less likely to mask, less likely to 283 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: take other mitigation measures, and they were also farther back 284 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: in line to get vaccinated, so they were not protected 285 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: with vaccination until later in the pandemic. Those might have 286 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: been a factor here. What we think is that action. 287 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: I'll cut it off there. People are dying of heart 288 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: attacks because they didn't wear masks enough at the age 289 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: of twenty five to forty four. Do they really think 290 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: that we're this dumb? And when they mentioned the COVID shot, 291 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: do you see what they did there? They said, Oh, 292 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: they weren't getting the COVID shot enough. When is the 293 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: white bulb going to go off in many of these 294 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: people and they're going to start to say, wait a minute, Actually, 295 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: maybe this could be connected to the COVID shot itself, 296 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: which has been shown to create severe heart related issues. 297 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: Wait till that lightbulb goes off. We're getting closer that 298 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: you're not allowed just say it yet. 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But we now are joined 318 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: by Congressman Bill Johnson. He represents the area in Ohio 319 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: that has been afflicted by this this huge spill, the 320 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: train spill that is continuing to cause more and more 321 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: issues there in Congressman. I know there's been a lot 322 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: of details that have continued to come out about this, 323 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: But for people out there that are following this story 324 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: in general, what happened and where are we now in 325 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: terms of recovering from what happened? Okay, well good. First 326 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: of all, Clay, thanks for having me on. I really 327 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Look on the third of February, a train 328 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: carrying hazardous chemicals vinyl chloride and some other chemicals. We're 329 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: traveling through East Palestine, Ohio and the train Derai. What 330 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: we are hearing from the National Transportation Safety Board is 331 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: initial findings are that an axle on the train froze 332 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: up and the bearings stopped turning some miles prior to 333 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: getting into East Palestine. The axle actually, because of the 334 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: heat that built up, actually disintegrated and it brought the 335 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: train of course off the track, and it led all 336 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: the other cars off the track. That's what caused the incident. 337 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: There were twenty of the fifty cars that left the track. 338 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: Twenty of them had hazardous or chemicals in it, including 339 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: the vinyl chloride at one point once the accident happened, 340 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: I got a call I spoke to not too long 341 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: after that, to the CEO of Norfolk Southern, the railroad company, 342 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: and he explained to me that those cars with the 343 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: chemicals were becoming unstable and as a result, they made 344 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: a decision. It was the best of some bad alternatives. 345 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: They made the decision to control burn or control explode 346 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: the tank cars with the vinyl chloride in it, so 347 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: they could burn that material off as it escaped and 348 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: keep it from exploding organically. Had it exploded organically, he said, 349 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: inside those those tankers, it could have sent shrapnel for 350 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: a mile. You're talking about serious uh life, limb, infrastructure, homes, livestock, 351 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: all kinds of problems had that occurred. Thankfully that did 352 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: not occur. Now that's what happened with the actual derailment. 353 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: The National Transportation Safety Board Clay, of course, is still 354 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: in its investigation. They said it will be a couple 355 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: of weeks before we see a report. And all I've 356 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: reported to you here are the initial findings. Now where 357 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: are we today. I was there on Monday two days ago, 358 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: and I'm going back again this evening for a town hall. 359 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: But I was there on Monday. I toured the facility, 360 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: the site where the actual fire and all the smoke 361 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: and chemicals were coming from. I stood there at the 362 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: epicenter with the mayor, the fire chief, county commissioners, the EPA, 363 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: representatives of Norfolk Southern, the emergency management folks, and the 364 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: mayor gave me a briefing and he said, look, he said, 365 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: for the most part being have returned to normal, as 366 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: normal as they can be in a short period of time. 367 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: The evacuation order had been lifted when I got there 368 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: on Monday, and the reason for that was because of 369 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: the EPA finding that there are no hazardous air test. 370 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: There is no indication that there are chemicals in the 371 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: air that are of a concern. There are no water 372 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: issues in the village of concern. The water and the 373 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: air are continuing to be tested and they should be. 374 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: This is an ongoing process and those tests need to continue. 375 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: Residents are being cared for. They come to a church 376 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: actually where North Norfolk Southern has set up their their 377 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: kiosks to talk to people about their expenses, what they 378 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: had to do when they were evacuated, giving them checks 379 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: to cover those expenses and those kinds of things. So 380 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: as of Monday when I left, they were still cleaning 381 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: up the site. There's still a lot of work to 382 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: do to return it to its original appearance. But as 383 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: far as the chemicals in the air, the chemicals in 384 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: the ground, testing continues. But according to the EPA, the 385 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: air and the water are okay. Now I can only 386 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: take them at their word. I'm going tonight and hopefully 387 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: we'll get more definitive information when we get there tonight. 388 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: All right, that's a great explanation of the entire situation 389 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: there right now. You're a congressman that represents this area, 390 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: among many others. If you lived in East Palestine, Ohio 391 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: right now, based on what you have known and heard, 392 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: would you be comfortable staying in your home? Would you 393 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: drink the water or as it came out of the faucet? 394 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: You know, Clay, that's a good that's a good question. 395 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a healthy skepticism on the 396 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: part of the residence of East Palestine. And I don't 397 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: have a problem with their skepticism. I mean, you and 398 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: I both know nobody trust the federal government these days, right, Yeah, 399 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: that's a sad statement, but that's the truth. But but 400 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: I mean the EPA and the State EPA are the 401 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: ones that are responsible for enforcing and testing and making 402 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: sure that the Clean Air Act, the parameters associated with 403 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: the Clean Air Act, and the Clean Water Act are 404 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: adhered to. They're the ones that have the experts that 405 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: make that determination. I mean, that's as high up the 406 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: ladder as it goes. So I don't think we take 407 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 1: their word for it in the sense that we say okay, 408 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: deals done must be okay. I would insist on continued 409 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: testing for a while. Here's an example of that. The 410 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: water is not just being tested by the EPA. The 411 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: city or I'm sorry, the village of East Palestine has 412 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: its own village water system and they have their own 413 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: system of testing their water, and they've been doing that 414 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: for years. Right. So when I asked the mayor about that, 415 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: because I asked him a very similar question, he said, Bill, 416 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: we're not taking anybody else's word for it. We've got 417 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: our people testing our water, and our people have a 418 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: vested interest in this because guess what, they got a 419 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: drink the water. So I'm telling you that what I'm 420 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: being told is that the people there the officials that 421 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: are running the operation, the mayor, the water system people. 422 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: They are convinced that these tests are showing that they 423 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: don't have anything to worry about. But now back to 424 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: your original question, I think if I had that kind 425 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: of information, I might not return back there. If I've 426 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: got an infant, you know, that's got to drink formula, 427 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: that's uh, that's the uh. You know that you put 428 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: formula in, you chake it up. Uh. You know, I 429 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: would have a healthy sense of skepticism. That's why I 430 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: went to um Norfolk Southern and I said, look, explain 431 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: to me how you came up with this one mile 432 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: uh evacuation area. What happens if somebody lives at one 433 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: point one mile and they can smell the stuff in 434 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: their home and they are concerned about their water, Who's 435 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: going to help them get their stuff tested and make 436 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: sure it's safe and uh? And so I've gone back 437 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: to Norfolk Southern asking them to expand their their assistance 438 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: program to the entire village of East Palestine. Because everybody 439 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: has the right to have their questions answered, and we 440 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: should not minimize or just simply dismiss any question and 441 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: any concern that any resident of that community, as should 442 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: the Biden administration, in particular our Transportation secretary, Mayor Pete. 443 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: Should they have been more proactive in discussing this situation, 444 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: Should they be directly on the ground in terms of 445 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: the Transportation secretary himself in your mind, well, I think so. 446 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: I certainly think so. I think if I were the 447 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: Transportation Secretary, I would be I mean, you know, that's 448 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: that's what that's what the pointed end of the spear 449 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: does when you're in a leadership role like that. I 450 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: really haven't heard Secretary Boodhjedge. I haven't heard Mayor Pete 451 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: talk about this unless he's asked a question about it. 452 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: I haven't heard him come out and make a statement 453 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: about him. And I can tell you what, Clay, he 454 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: has not called me to ask me what's going on. 455 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: Does that strike you as strange that he wouldn't call 456 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: the congressman who represents this area since he's the Transportation secretary. 457 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely that I call that failed leadership. Well, Congressman, 458 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: we appreciate your time. You said you're gonna be in 459 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: the community of East Palestine again tonight. Yes, my concern, 460 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: my focus right now is focusing on the needs and 461 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: concerns of the people that I represent Baron East Palestine. 462 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Congressman, and will you please reach 463 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: out to us again if there's more information you want 464 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: to get out or something changes on this story. We 465 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: appreciate you making the time for us today because we've 466 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: gotten so many questions about this, and unlike the Transportation Secretary, 467 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: my first thought was, hey, let's reach out to the 468 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: guy who represents this area and talk to him about it. Yeah. 469 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: I think right now, if I lived in East Palestine, 470 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: i'd probably return to my home play, you know. I 471 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: think based on what I got from the mayor and 472 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: the boots on the ground there, I think significant progress 473 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: has been made to make sure that it's environmentally safe. 474 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: Not stopping the testing. Shouldn't stop the testing. It's an 475 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: ongoing process, but but I'm convinced that it's in a 476 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: positive place, no doubt. Congressman Bill Johnson, we appreciate you 477 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: for all that information, and maybe we'll talk to you 478 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: again soon as this story continues to develop. Okay, thanks 479 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: a lot, buddy, Thank you. It's pretty strong language there. 480 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: I would say about Mayor Pete and his failure will 481 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: discuss that a bit more. Take some of your calls. 482 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: We come back to close out our number two. But 483 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: I want to tell you, if you've got kids in 484 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: school like we do in this house, you're probably concerned 485 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: about the education of your kids are receiving. If you're 486 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: past that stage of life, however, you're probably still interested 487 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: in what your grandkids are learning. No surprise, our friends 488 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: at Hillsdale College have a free resource for you in 489 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: this regard. This is the college, by the way, provided 490 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: more than a hundred charter schools in this nation with 491 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: an incredible array of teaching materials. 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Download and news the new Clay and Fuck. 507 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: Listen to the program live, catch up on any part 508 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: of the show you might have missed your CNB twenty 509 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: four to seven subscription. To get access to the guys, 510 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: find the Clay and Buck app in your app store 511 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: and make it part of your day. Welcome back in 512 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I hope you guys enjoyed 513 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: that conversation with Bill Johnson. Thanks to Ali for getting 514 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,479 Speaker 1: that set up. Unlike your Department of Transportation, when I 515 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: hear that there is a major issue that many of 516 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: you out there care about, and certainly we're talking about 517 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: the train derailment and the subsequent pollution impact in East Palestine, 518 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: Ohio has not gotten a great deal of media attention, 519 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: and my initial thought is not for me to come 520 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: on and talk about it as much as I might 521 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: have read about it. I want to go direct to 522 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: the source and find out what the on the ground 523 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: in nation is. And I thought Congressman Bill Johnson was 524 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: really good at explaining that entire situation in the event 525 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: that many of you did not know it. And I 526 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: am I know I shouldn't be stunned at the incompetence, 527 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: but the nation's transportation secretary hasn't taken the time to 528 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: place a call to the congressman who represents East Palestine, 529 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: Ohio to offer his assistance to discuss the issue with 530 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: him at all. I mean, I just want you all 531 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: to think about that for a minute. When when I 532 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: hear this and Ali can speak to it, my first 533 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: thought is, let's reach out to the congressman who represents 534 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: that area and see if we can get him or 535 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: her on my very first thought. I am not transportation secretary. 536 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm not claiming to be a genius of transportation like 537 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: Mayor Pete, but I do understand basic communication. And my 538 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: first thought when we're going to talk about this is, 539 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: let's get the congressman on What does it say that 540 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: this radio show called to reach the congressman and the 541 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: actual transportation secretary still hasn't done that. Not to mention 542 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: that he hasn't put his feet on the ground and 543 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: actually been in this community, which is also something I 544 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: think that I would do. And again, it wouldn't be 545 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: that difficult of a decision to make. I used to 546 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: argue on my old sports shows that so much of 547 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: life could be summed up by just JBN. Just be normal. 548 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: Should You don't need to be a genius. Just do 549 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: what a normal person would do. Right. I'm always in 550 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: the back, always in my head. Maybe I'm just super normal, 551 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 1: like the most normal person on the planet. I just think, hey, 552 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: just do normal stuff. Big train derailment, you're the transportation secretary, 553 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: people are terrified. Call the congressman. Maybe take a trip there. 554 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: You have your own planes, you have access to a 555 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: fleet to be able to get there. I really think 556 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: that I can probably get elected President of the United 557 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: States right now on the platform of JBN. I'm just 558 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: going to be normal. Speaking of just being normal, it's 559 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: pretty normal right now for Republicans to get investigated and 560 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: then after years of investigation, for the Department of Justice 561 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: to come out and say, oh, by the way, no 562 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: crime actually happened. The latest individual Congressman Matt Gates, this 563 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: news just coming down as we were talking to the 564 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: congressman representing East Palestine. The Department of Justice, I'm reading 565 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: from a Wall Street Journal news alert. Justice Department has 566 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: ended its investigation into Representative Matt Gates without bringing charges 567 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: against the congressman, drawing to a close a year's long 568 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: probe centered on whether the Florida Republican had inappropriate conduct 569 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: with contact with a minor. Gates's office said the Justice 570 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: Department confirmed the investigation has concluded and he will not 571 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: be charged with any crimes. So this is yet another 572 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: situation where they leak the fact that the investigation is ongoing. 573 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: They drag the person who's being investigated through the mud. 574 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: After years they say there are no charges being brought. 575 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: The investigation itself and the impact to overall persona and 576 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: reputation is the punishment. Will discuss this and more final 577 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: out