1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk. 2 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: Hi. 3 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a great 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: show for you today. We're going to talk about the 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: new docuseries about the Idaho for an old story involving 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Jane Mansfield's death and new information coming out about it, 7 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: so that's pretty interesting. We'll talk about the new mortician 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: show that Maria's all psyched about what happens to a 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: dead person after they are buried. We always talk about that, 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: but what happens to their clothing? We never really talked 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: about that, and that was a pretty interesting article. 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: And of course one of. 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: The biggest stories is that we should talk about what 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: underwear is best to wear for a good vaginal health. 15 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: All that and more on today's episode. Let's start with 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: the Idaho for docuseries. 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so prime of the new docuseries coming out about 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: the Idaho murders on July eleventh. We will be at 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: our meet and greet in Atlanta that day if you 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: want to chat about it. But is this not problematic? 21 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: Wasn't the Dateline special a big deal because it was 22 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: compromising the case potentially, and now they have this docuseries 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: coming out a month before his trial is supposed to 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: go on. 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: They just can't they can't wait. You know, it's been 26 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: a long time, and this one's going to be different though, 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: And I think it's going to be really cool because 28 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: it's interviews with well not I don't know if cool 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: is the right word, but it's going to be very enlightening, 30 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: I guess to say, what is the perspective of the 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: family and friends that were involved with it? So usually 32 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: when we see like on the when we see the 33 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: dateline special, that's like forensic investigators and cops and all 34 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: of these people who are being interviewed. But for this 35 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: particular doctor series, it's like from a real life perspective 36 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: of life, like getting that phone call. But they do 37 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: have like people that were friends that showed up at 38 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: the house, because remember a bunch of their friends showed 39 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: up and when they didn't know what was going on 40 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: and just talking about it. But I do agree with 41 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: you because one of the girls, at least in the trailer, 42 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: she was like, we realized that we were being stalked, 43 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: And I was like I thought that that was like. 44 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: Like, that's that's not that's not. 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: What's the word I'm looking for, Like, you can't just 46 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: say that, right because that hasn't been proven in a 47 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: court of law yet. 48 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 2: This is what I'm talking about, Like, is it gonna 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: reveal evidence that's gonna hurt him having a fair trial, 50 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: meaning a fair trial for the victims to convict him. Yeah, 51 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: I mean we don't. 52 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: We don't really care if he gets the fair true 53 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, Like, I mean you do though, 54 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: Like if it's because they're I mean, they've been trying 55 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: to tease with like there's another person and this and that, 56 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: and like I'm curious if there is more to the story. Honestly, 57 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I definitely think that there's 58 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: way too much against him, but just curious if anyone 59 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: else was potentially involved would be interesting. Although it's like 60 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: so many people are obsessed and interested with this case 61 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: that you feel like something else would have come out 62 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: about another person at this point, don't. 63 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: You think so? Like I just yeah, I mean, this 64 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: is one of the biggest trials going on right now. 65 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: You would think with all the flutes and everything, that 66 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: they would have information. I don't know. As the family, 67 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: I understand they want to get their story and their 68 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: experience out there. But if it's a matter of a 69 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: month of waiting, right, you should just want everything to 70 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: go through to get justice in your child's dead. 71 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine the prosecution probably like every single time they 72 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: hear something's coming out, they're probably like, oh god, you know, 73 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: because they don't want to ruin their case with him. 74 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: But I guess if they feel so confident about it, 75 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 1: then they shouldn't really care. 76 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: Well, not for nothing. But this article was also talking 77 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: about emotion that his defense lawyer pointed out, and about 78 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: his alibi saying he was driving by himself so he 79 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: couldn't have done it. And I'm like, if this is 80 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: the way this case is going, it's not looking very good. 81 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: Like the defense is very good. 82 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it looks very good for him either, 83 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: but you never know, like what's gonna come out. So 84 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: I yeah, we haven't even written about this in the 85 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: gross room yet because I I mean, obviously, like we 86 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: talk about death and stuff all the time, but the 87 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: main focus, especially of the gross room is like the 88 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: autopsy and the pathology and the scene investigation and stuff, 89 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: and I just don't think that enough information has been 90 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: released yet. I mean we know that they had sharp wounds, 91 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: and we know that some of them were gouged. Then 92 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: we hear in this new thing that Ethan had carvings 93 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: in his body. So it's just like there's going to 94 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: be like a lot more details that comes out with 95 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: this trial starting in August to just like bear with 96 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: us a couple more months, and we're definitely going to 97 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: write it up once more information comes out. 98 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. So also next week a documentary is coming out 99 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: about Jane Mansfield and that set the premiere on HBO. So, 100 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: as we know from pop culture, Jane Mansfield died in 101 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: this horrific car accident. But I didn't really realize that 102 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: the kids were in the car at the time of 103 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: the accident. So all three adults that were in the 104 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: car were sitting in the front seat because of course 105 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: this is when we had like bench front seats and 106 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 2: it was definitely not safe at all. They all died 107 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: as a result of the accident, but the three kids 108 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: were in the back. They were found unconscious and three 109 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: year old Marishka Hargatee, who was her daughter, was initially 110 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: left at the scene because she was so small that 111 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: they did not realize she was wedged under a seat. 112 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: That is so outrageous to me. Yeah, so one of 113 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: her brothers, so her two brothers who were also in 114 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: the car were six and eight years old. One of 115 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: the kids woke up and was like at the time, 116 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: she was going by the name Maria. So they said, 117 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: where's Maria And then they were like, oh my god, 118 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: and they went back and found her. That's so sloppy, honestly, 119 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: it is. 120 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, like I understand that this was a 121 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: long time ago, but you still there was still this 122 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: is like an amateur hour mistake. This doesn't you know, 123 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: like when you look at seeing investigations and crime scenes 124 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: and toxicology and all this, you'll say, Okay, there's been 125 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: so many exam advances since the nineteen sixties, but like 126 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: this is just like using your eyeballs. It hasn't changed 127 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: in thousands of years. 128 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: You know. It's just you see a whole three year old. 129 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: Like and like, think about the repercussions of that being 130 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: Jane Mansfield's kid. I mean, it's but this is what happens. 131 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: It's like they got so tripped up because it was 132 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: Jane Mansfield that they probably didn't follow proper procedure. 133 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: Well exactly, So that's the problem. 134 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: And we see that with every every single we Actually, 135 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: so I wrote a celebrity death dissection on this before 136 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: you even started working for me, back in like twenty 137 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: twenty one, right, So, which is it's a really good one. Actually, 138 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of scene photographs and stuff like that 139 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: we should add that we should add this into that 140 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: dissection because this is like, it is kind of like 141 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: a breaking news even though the case is so old. 142 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: It's just it's it's really interesting and shows like sloppy 143 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: police work. 144 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: Well, it is interesting, and I wonder if any of 145 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: the kids have suffered any like lifelong issues from being 146 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: in this car accident. I mean it could have. It 147 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: could very well have been public knowledge that this was 148 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: a thing. But I've definitely never heard this part before, 149 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: let alone her being buffed in at the scene. 150 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: He had She had five kids, and three of them 151 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: were in the car, so I don't know why the 152 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: other two weren't with them. 153 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: But another thing. 154 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: That's coming out of this documentary is that she found 155 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: out that that he's not even her dad. 156 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, Hargeta is not her dad. So I think this 157 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: is going to be really interesting. I feel like I 158 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: don't know that much about Marishka Hargatea. But besides the 159 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: fact that she's you know, TV Royal TV on Law 160 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: and Order all this time, she's she's like one of 161 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: these actresses, cause you know that there's. 162 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: Like the Blake livelies that like most people can't stand 163 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: and all this stuff. She's just like nobody. Have you 164 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: ever said heard anybody say they don't like her? 165 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: No, I don't. 166 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: She starts Anybody on Law and Order people negative exactly. 167 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: Like it's like she stars in like a really cool role. 168 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: So she's like a cool person, Like she seems cool 169 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: just because of her role. It's been on forever. Everyone 170 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: knows who she is. Nobody says like, oh, Law and 171 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: Orders is this or that? Like most people are like, yeah, 172 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: it's good, Like I don't sit down and watch it, 173 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: but whenever it's on, it's good, you know what I mean, 174 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: Like I like it. 175 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: It's it's done well and well it's this huge show 176 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: in the culture. I mean, I actually think it's really cool. 177 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: So our boss, Elvis Durand actually was a dead body 178 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 2: on one of Oh yeah, yeah, he thought it'd be 179 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 2: cool to do it, and it it. 180 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: Is that was really cool. He showed me the picture. 181 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: He was so excited. He's like, does this look real? 182 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's this iconic show. Everybody knows it. 183 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 2: I mean there's been you know, even from down to 184 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: the credits. Executive producer Dick Wolfe. I mean, everybody knows 185 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: every single element of this show. Yeah. 186 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: So, and they play the at the Phillies game, they 187 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: play the like the gavel going down. 188 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, they played the theme song for when they introduced 189 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: the Umpires. Yeah. So, I don't know, it's kind of 190 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: cool to be in some regards the daughter of such 191 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: a famous person and such a famous person yourself, but 192 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: there is not that much information about your personal life 193 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: out there, especially today. 194 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think a lot of people don't unless 195 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: like pop Off, for example, always knew her last name 196 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: and who she was. But like a lot of people 197 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: that are younger that weren't around for the whole Jane 198 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: Mansfield thing, they might not know automatically that her last 199 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: name being associated with with Jane's Mann's, you know what 200 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: I mean. Like, so, I think that she really established 201 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: herself as as an actress and has and and it's 202 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: cool too that she didn't try to do exactly what 203 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: her mom did, Like she she's like doing you know 204 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: what I mean. She she comes off as like a 205 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: very serious actress that that is like professional, and her 206 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: mom was Her mom was more of like the haughty, 207 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: like bombshell type, you know. 208 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: But I think this documentary is even trying to break 209 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: that imagery that she was only this bomb. 210 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, well, because she she she seemed to have 211 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: been pretty intelligent of a person. But the problem is 212 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: is that when you look like that, that's. 213 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: What people assume, you know what I mean. And she 214 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: was in her mid thirties when she died, so it's 215 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: like she was very young, yeah, I know. 216 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: And she had five kids when she was in her 217 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: when she was in her early thirties, Like that's not 218 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: right there. 219 00:10:51,760 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: Scene this episode is brought to you by the Grossroom. Guys. 220 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: Like we said in the grocerroom, we have a celebrity 221 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: death dissection on Jane's Manfield. This is like a really 222 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: good one and it talks about the Mansfield bar, which 223 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: is something that you see on the back of trucks 224 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: all the time now. So a lot of that had 225 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: to do with this particular accident, mostly because when the 226 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: crash happened, their car went underneath of a truck and 227 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: essentially like decapitated the top of the car. And it 228 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: was good that the little kids were in the back 229 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: laying down because that's what saved their life. But when 230 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: the police came to the scene, they actually thought that 231 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: the car was a convertible. Like that's how much the 232 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: car was destroyed. Yeah, So it's really interesting going through 233 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: that whole case, and just these retro cases are just 234 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: kind of fun to read about from a forensic perspective. 235 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: What else are we doing. We have the part two 236 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: of the Buy for Dolphin high profile death dis section 237 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: that we did, and this one is like super good 238 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: because it as all of the. 239 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: Well that's coming up on Monday. That's gonna oh that's 240 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: coming up on Monday. 241 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we did so this week we did all 242 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: of the you know, the history behind the accident and 243 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: all of this stuff. And then in the next one, 244 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: which is coming up on Monday, we're going to talk 245 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: about the autopsies and like what happens to a person 246 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: when they are in a situation where they get decompression 247 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: sickness and they explode and all this kind of stuff. 248 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: And what does that body look like? So it's really interesting. 249 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: Check it out. Head over to the gross room dot com. 250 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: Now, all right, so this is the burning question everyone has, 251 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: what underwear? What kind of underwear do you wear? 252 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: Well, my takeaway is that granny panties are pretty good. 253 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: Joys cotton granny panties. No, So they interviewed a medical 254 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: advisor for Winks Health, which is a woman's health company 255 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: focused on sexual and aagial health, and this person was 256 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 2: saying that for every day, you should wear simple, soft 257 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: cotton underwear. That's the healthiest choice between briefs boys, it's 258 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: or even high waisted cuts aka granny panties. Though you 259 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: love that granny panties have been rebranded as high waisted 260 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: cut I know. But they also suggest free from harsh diees, 261 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: synthetic fragrances, or chemical finishes. And then they're saying, you know, 262 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: the worst kinds of underwear to wear are thongs, g strings, 263 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: and synthetic lace because they can be irritating and too 264 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: tight and cause a lot of irritation. Yeah, and really 265 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: the grossest part of so what kind like, what kind 266 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: do you wear? Granny panties? I don't really wear underwear 267 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: that much. 268 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: I do. 269 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: Like if I go to bad whatever, you could say 270 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: it's ill. 271 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: But like the more the closer you have stuff there 272 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: is like that's where the problem comes. So if you 273 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: have like a breathable thing, that's fine, but I'd rather 274 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: just air out like a little bit more. It's just 275 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: my preference. 276 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 2: I primarily wear cotton, but I also wear a lot 277 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: of silky ones, So I'm gonna say those are probably 278 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: not great because they're synthetic. 279 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: No, they're not, because they could. They're saying it allows 280 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: the skin to breathe. I don't know if the skin 281 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: technically breathes, but it allows you know, air circulation, because 282 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: the moisture is what causes yeast to grow and bacteria. 283 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: But the grossest one they say to wear is a thong, 284 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: And it does make sense because the thong is in 285 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: your ass crack and it's like rubbing against your hole. 286 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: And they're like, it doesn't matter if you're the cleanest 287 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: person in the world, Like, there could be bacteria there 288 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: and there could especially be equal eye there, and then 289 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: if you walk around then you sweat, that could mix 290 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: with the sweat and drip down into your urethra or 291 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: your vagina and give you a yeast. In fact, she 292 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: could go into your urethra and give you a urinary 293 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: track infection. So like it does make sense. That's why 294 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: I don't like. I just feel like I'm too sensitive 295 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: down there, Like I just don't like to have anything 296 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: near there because I'm too sensitive. 297 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: But can't you argue that not wearing any underwear at 298 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: all also leaves you open be too get be exposed 299 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: to something else instead of protecting it. But like what 300 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: like a bacteria or something, or in the very first 301 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: episode of this podcast, maybe a bug crawling up there. Yeah, 302 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: I suppose that that could happen, and it doesn't happen 303 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: often though, I'm sure so I don't. I don't think so, 304 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: Like I just think, wait, just think about like if 305 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: you it's like it's like wearing a mask on your 306 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: face kind of like they get gross after a while. 307 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think it's like better to 308 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: just like air it out. Listen. One of the perks 309 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: of marriage is that I don't got to impress anybody 310 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: no more. So now I could just wear ugly ass 311 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: granny panties off. That's a terrible attitude to have. I'm 312 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: half joking, but no, but yeah, I'm gonna stick with 313 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: wearing my grandma underwear and then you're good with the cotton. 314 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: I'm good. Yeah. 315 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: Songs are like I guess they were saying good once 316 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: and like I couldn't do that because that's another thing too. 317 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: For me. 318 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: That's another thing too, Like I can't stand the line 319 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: like seeing the lines on your ass from the from underwear, 320 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, And like songs are 321 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: like no, So it's just like easier to just not 322 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: wear any It's like I have I don't have a 323 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: nice spot. So with the lines showing too, it just 324 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: makes it look worse. 325 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: Like trust me cares. I don't know if you see 326 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: my panty lines, just don't put about it. I just 327 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: don't need to know. Okay, let's move on to the 328 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: Mortician show. So we got a lot of messages asking 329 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: us to cover this show. I don't think I'm gonna 330 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: go into that much detail because I really would like 331 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: to do a dissection on this story because it gets 332 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: kind of nuts. But you didn't watch a show, so 333 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: I'll just give you a basic rundown of what happens. 334 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: There was this family funeral home in Pasadena, California, called 335 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: the Lamb Funeral Home, and like most funeral homes, it 336 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: was run by families for a more ultigeneration. Oh you 337 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: know what I wanted to tell you about that. 338 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: Actually what I used to work with a guy that 339 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: did autopsies when I first started out a really long 340 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: time ago, and his family owned a funeral home and 341 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: that was their last name, Lamb. 342 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: Uh huh, I isn't that weird. I mean, this is 343 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: in Philly, but I'm in Huntington Valley because when I 344 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: googled it, that's that one case it. 345 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: Could it could be possibly. I mean he said, the 346 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: guy's dead, but I don't know if he had like 347 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: kids or whatever. 348 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 2: Well, this was the former Lamb Funeral Home of Fasadena, 349 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: California we're referencing in this story. So by the eighties, 350 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: this woman Laurie and Lamb scnce, so she was like 351 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: the next generation taking over. At that point, her and 352 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: her husband were running the funeral home and their son, 353 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: David Sconce was running the crematory for them. So by 354 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: this point they have a really small crematory and they 355 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: were only doing like one to two hundred bodies a 356 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: year of services. So then David figures out at some 357 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: point that he could charge less than their competitors and 358 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 2: do more cremations if he starts burning multiple bodies at 359 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 2: a time instead of one at a time. Real good idea. 360 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 2: So you'll ever figure it out. Yeah, So in most cases, 361 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 2: you would assume if you're gonna do something extremely immoral 362 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: like this, that you're gonna like slowly ease into it. No, 363 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 2: by the next year, they no. 364 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: One ever does. All these stories we talk about, it's 365 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: always like this immediate reed and you're like, why would 366 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: you ever think that you weren't get caught doing this? 367 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: You're not even gonna believe how this story escalates. So 368 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: the cremations is like part one of multi parts of 369 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: the story. So by the following year of him doing 370 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: this multibody cremation, they go from like one hundred and 371 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: fifty to two thousand, and then by the year after 372 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: that they're at four thousand, and then by nineteen eighty 373 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: seven they're doing twenty five thousand bodies a year. Nothing 374 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: to see there so and raise any alarms at all. 375 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 2: So of course, like they're going through this, so I'm 376 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: gonna go kind of out of order from the documentary. 377 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 2: But they had this crematory. They were doing up to 378 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: fifty bodies at a time. They even had a contest 379 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: between employees to see how many people they could fit 380 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: in one oven at one time, and then they would 381 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: just scoop out whatever they could send it off to 382 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: the families, which they interview this man, by the way, 383 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: who's out of prison, and he still justifies it, saying, 384 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: what's the difference, it's all ash anyway. Wow. So he's 385 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 2: totally not apologetic for anything to do. So at some 386 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: point they are small crematory crematorium I'm probably saying it wrong, 387 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 2: and everybody's mad burns down. So this guy creates a 388 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: fake ceramics company, rents a warehouse in the middle of 389 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: the desert, builds this giant oven, and then they start 390 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 2: burning two hundred bodies at a time. You will never 391 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: believe how they get caught. Somebody that lived nearby was 392 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 2: a person that liberated Auschwitz, the concentration camp, and reckon 393 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 2: the smell of burning flesh while and called on them. Wow. Yeah, 394 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: so that's how they get caught. 395 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: It has a very specific smell, like it smells like 396 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: burnt hair. Yes, it's a very it's a very like 397 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: when you smell that smell, you're like, it's not just 398 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: burnt me or whatever. You're like, no, it smells like 399 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: it smells like human hair burning. It's it's that's what 400 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: the smell is. It's distinct, and that's amazing that that 401 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: guy recognized that. 402 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, So at this facility they go in and then 403 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: there's just literally like fat residue from the bodies, sticky 404 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: all over the floor. Oh my god. And there's so 405 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: they were there in the middle of one of the burns. 406 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: So these people arrive there and they open, like the 407 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: cops get there and open the oven and there's all 408 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: these human remains in there, partially burned, so some of 409 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: them still have flesh on them. So this is how 410 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: they they start getting caught, right, and then it just 411 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: turns out it's even worse. So then they're interviewing employees 412 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: and everything who said it's so point before they would 413 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 2: burn the bodies, David sconce told them to take the 414 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: gold and silver fillings out of the deceased people because 415 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 2: why not scrap it and make money. So they were 416 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: making extra money doing that, and then they were pulling 417 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: teeth out of dead people. They were pulling teeth out 418 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: of dead people. So then it starts escalating to he 419 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: meets this guy that's I believe a donation center for 420 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 2: like at an eyeball institute, and then he starts getting 421 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: the idea, you know what, these people are dead and 422 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: their organs can be pretty useful, so I'm gonna start 423 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: harvesting their organs. So he basically falsifies this organ donation program. 424 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 2: So like, technically he's not selling the organs, but these 425 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: facilities are receiving them, believing their organ donations, and then 426 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 2: he's billing them for the hours and making even more 427 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: money that way. 428 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: So he just had like a complete disconnectitan what he 429 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: was there, because you you want to think when you 430 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: go to the funeral home that they're like doing what's 431 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: in your best interest to help you be at peace 432 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: with your family member dying, and he was like completely 433 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: disassociated from it. 434 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: He to this day thinks he did absolutely nothing wrong. 435 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 2: It's kind of mind blowing. Part of it is admirable 436 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: to live a life where you truly don't give a 437 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: shit about what I. 438 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: Was thinking, Like I was thinking like when you made 439 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: that comment, like what's the difference at ash. It's kind 440 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: of like, I mean, he kind of has a point, 441 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: like honestly, but like the difference is is that, like 442 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: I don't want ash from someone else's grandmam. I want mine, 443 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: And that that's the difference. Like I could never do 444 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: that because I would feel I would feel like too 445 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: romantic about it to do that. I'd feel terrible knowing that, 446 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: you know. But but like that's what I'm saying. He 447 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: has like that kind of a disconnect. 448 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 2: And yeah, like I do understand what he's saying, but 449 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 2: at the same time, like if you're getting ready and it's. 450 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: True about like the eyeball whatever, like I mean, you know, 451 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: it's just, but you have to have you have to 452 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: have some kind of. 453 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 2: That's what's conflicting about it, because in some regard he 454 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: does have a point, but at the same time it's 455 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 2: like incredibly immoral. No it's not, it's not kol. Yeah, 456 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: So then it escalates to I guess another mortician was 457 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: questioning him when he started, you know, going from one 458 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty bodies to thousands of them in the 459 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: short period of time with the facility he was running 460 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: in particular, so they say. 461 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, because you're doing the math, and you're just like, Okay, 462 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: if you ran this even every however long, you run 463 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: it times this many days, you still wouldn't be able 464 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: to do that many And then you got people that 465 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: are like haters too, like how's this guy baking all 466 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: this money? Like let me look into his setup and 467 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: see what he's doing, you know. 468 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, and by all it counts. This funeral home was 469 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: like this really in this family where this really large 470 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: part of the past Sadina community. They were really well trusted. 471 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 2: And his mother, Laurie Anne, that was running the funeral 472 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: home at the time this was all going down, was 473 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: this Everybody that they interviewed about her said she was 474 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: this angelic figure. She was this sweet older woman. She 475 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: had this air about her that was amazing, and she 476 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 2: was so genuine and nice. So she didn't know what 477 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: was happening, right, Well, I'll get there, okay. So this 478 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 2: one mortician starts like he you know, he thinks it's fishy, 479 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: what's going on. So David gets lunch with this guy 480 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden he dies like hours later. 481 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: So they do the autopsy and at first they think 482 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: that he died from a heart attack. But then later 483 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 2: when the employee, he gets caught in the employees and 484 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 2: all this information starts coming out. He had been bragging 485 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: in prison that he poisoned somebody with an oleander flower, 486 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 2: which is native to California. There's literally a picture of 487 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: this guy with his family in front of this bush 488 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: of this flower. So according to other in he was 489 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 2: bragging that he ground the flower down and then put 490 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: it in like an olive oil type of mixture, and 491 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: then put it on some guy spaghetti that died. So 492 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: then they go back and they autopsy the guy again, 493 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: or they take tissue from that they had taken from 494 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: the initial autopsy, and they test it and find this 495 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: flower present in the tissue. But then when they go 496 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: to charge him with murder, they had to exhume him 497 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 2: get more tissue, and then it wasn't present in that tissue. 498 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 2: So the forensic pathologists they're interviewing says, it doesn't necessarily 499 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: mean it's not there, it just could have broken down 500 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 2: over time. And then they flashed to an interview with 501 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: the guy and he's like, yeah, they told me it 502 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: was never there at all. It's crazy. 503 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, He's just like completely out of his mind. He's 504 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: like disconnected. 505 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 2: But then you know, they go back to the parents 506 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 2: and it turns out she had some like note written 507 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: on her desk about how much remains would weigh for 508 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 2: a baby, a little kid, a woman, and a man, 509 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: because they were clearly just putting them on how much. 510 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: They would just like scoop and like gives you the person. Yeah, 511 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: that's so, it's so messed up. 512 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: And then she I guess they were taking payments ahead 513 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: of time for funerals, so like if you wanted to 514 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 2: go now and pay for your funeral, so like I 515 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: wouldn't have to pay for it later. They would take 516 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 2: those up front. And then there's all these different regulations 517 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: when funeral homes do that. So then when she got 518 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: her yearly inspection or audit for doing that type of service, 519 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: they found out she had ninety thousand dollars of like 520 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: unaccounted accounts and all this shit. But I have said 521 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 2: a lot obviously in this, but it really goes so 522 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: much deeper. This guy had a license plate that said 523 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 2: I burned for you. Wow. So he's out of jail. 524 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: He's a very he's a very interesting character, Like he's 525 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: interviewed on this documentary or yeah, so this time, I 526 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: just am curious because I think that he's a scumbag, 527 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: but at the same time I want to know more. 528 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: So that's like the That's why I think this document 529 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: Mary was so good, because you're talking about this really 530 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: horrific and serious thing, but this guy is so nuts 531 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: that you're like laughing watching it because you just can't 532 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: believe this person is being serious and really thinks nothing. 533 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: So this eventually led to all these new regulations in 534 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: the funeral industry. But it's definitely worth watching. If I 535 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 2: didn't just spoil the entire thing, we'll be writing a 536 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: more in depth to section about it because it's it's 537 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: absolutely nuts. But speaking of funeral services, let's talk about 538 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: what happens to people who are buried in clothing. 539 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: While we always talk about what happens to people when 540 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: they decompose, and we tell stories about like Maria was 541 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: just talking about funeral homes and things like that, but 542 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: we never really talk about the clothes that people are 543 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: buried in. And it's this is an interesting article because 544 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: it's talking about the rate of decomposition of certain fabrics 545 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: and things like that, which fabric, Maria, if I said 546 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: it took two hundred years for it to break down, 547 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: what fabric would you think that would be? 548 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: I would think like some like formal wear or something. 549 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,959 Speaker 1: So they said polyester takes two hundred years to break down, 550 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: whereas something like cotton one hundred percent cotton could break 551 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: down as quickly as a week to five months after 552 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: under the ground. 553 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that makes sense because cotton's more organic, 554 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: and then polyester's pretty much is polyester all synthetic? Yeah, 555 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 2: so I believe so. 556 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, So it's it's like it's just the fabric 557 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: itself breaking down over time. But then you have to 558 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: take into consideration that a person is breaking down to 559 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: and that there's a lot of body fluids and bacteria, 560 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: and that could also change how the fabric breaks down to. 561 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: One interesting thing they said was that nylon wastebands take 562 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years. 563 00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: Oh that's really interesting. 564 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: It's just really it's just really interesting. It's something you 565 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: don't think about. And they were just talking about how 566 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: different cultures like traditionally, like if let's say, for example, 567 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: someone in our family died, you usually would just go 568 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: in their closet and be like, oh, this would look 569 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: nice on them. Some people have an outfit set, a 570 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: side of what they want to wear, and I should 571 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: think about that. Actually, even I don't know what you 572 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: guys are going to do with me, but I should 573 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: have one on backup and I will be laying down so. 574 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: It'll look it'll look different. I thought you wanted to 575 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: be cremated. I don't know. I don't have gatirals. Well 576 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: do you want to be cremated now? After here? 577 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: You could still you could still cremate and you could 578 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: still do a viewing and then cremate after. I don't 579 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: give a shit what you do. Honestly, I'm just saying though, 580 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: like they were saying. Some some religions have specific rules, 581 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: like Catholic is supposed to. 582 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: Be formal clothing. 583 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody really goes by this kind 584 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: of stuff anymore. As far as in Catholic, I'm sure 585 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: serious Catholic people do, but not like not our family. 586 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: We're fakes fakes. 587 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: But there's other I know with with Judaism, they do 588 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: certain things with like a plain white shroud. Sometimes certain 589 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: other religions do that as well, because they want you 590 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: to have like a symbionic relationship between the earth and 591 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: the person, so they don't want to have anything synthetic 592 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: or anything. So yeah, it's just an interesting thing to 593 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: think about when you're getting ready to dress a dead person. 594 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: So after hearing the story of David Scott's, do you 595 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: still want to be cremated? 596 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: Well, he's not the only person in history that's ever 597 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: done this. There was that one that was this year 598 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: or last year that was happening too, I mean, and 599 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: then you have sometimes you have people doing these scams 600 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: where they're giving back the family like a bag of 601 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: cat litter or something like that, instead of actually giving them. 602 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: Where is the body? Like what happened here exactly? Well 603 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 2: remember that one place, I forget what it was called 604 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: the return to Nature. 605 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was something like that that they had all 606 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: these bodies like stacked up and that they weren't cremated 607 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: at all, but the person had gotten back to creamins 608 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 1: or whatever. 609 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: I think that guy just got sentenced last week, did you, 610 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah he did. 611 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: I saw that too, But yeah, so it's you just 612 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: have to try to go to a place that you trust, 613 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: and that's it. I mean, there's we've had stories on 614 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: here too about people that get buried in the ground 615 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: and the family shows up and it's the wrong body 616 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: at the funeral home. You know, like mistakes, genuinely mistakes 617 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: can happen just not paying attention, having the wrong body, 618 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: and then also like malicious intentions like this where the 619 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: guy was intentionally doing this could happen too. 620 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: You just have to. 621 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: It's like it's like going to the hospital. You just 622 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 1: have to trust that they're going to do a good 623 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: job and they have your best interest in mind. 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