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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything So Don't don't do well. Hello, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the Worst Year Ever. My name is

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Speaker 1: Katie Stole. Hi, Katie Stole. I'm Katie Johnston's up, and

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Speaker 1: I am a third person and my name is Roberts.

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Speaker 1: And this is not the best year I've ever experienced.

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Speaker 1: We were expecting it. Yeah, yeah, it's a shame that

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Speaker 1: we named this podcast the best year I've ever experienced.

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Speaker 1: That was really bad call. We shouldn't have named it

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Speaker 1: by flipping a coin. Yeah yeah, by flipping a coin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, that was a bad call. So today we

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Speaker 1: have a very special episode about our very shitty, bad

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Speaker 1: election that isn't good. Um well, it's mostly not about that.

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Speaker 1: It's about it. It's like, that's not actually what the

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Speaker 1: episodes about. It's about the fact that I I spent

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Speaker 1: my weekend at what is essentially a fascist pro virus

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Speaker 1: rally in Salem, Oregon, where I got to talk to

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people holding rifles and just really itching

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Speaker 1: for the chance to shoot me in the face. Um.

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Speaker 1: So that was fun. But I think we we wanted

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Speaker 1: to kind of lead in here by talking about a

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Speaker 1: couple of election related things. First, because for some reason

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Speaker 1: that continues to happen. It's like the election refuses to

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Speaker 1: take the motherfucking hint. Yeah, we haven't wanted to do

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Speaker 1: this for a long time, but they just kept going

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Speaker 1: and going and going, and there's nothing you can seem

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Speaker 1: to do about it. I mean, we did talk about

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Speaker 1: the election last week, but yes, it does keep going

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Speaker 1: and going and going. Yeah, it's amazing. We were talking

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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier about this, about like the collapse

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Speaker 1: feels like such a two weeks ago story, Like oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're already over the underpinning of the global economy falling

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Speaker 1: process what that was or what it means. We're all like, oh, ship,

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Speaker 1: don't have room for that in my brain. Yeah no, fucket.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to talk about how the woman accusing

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden of rape might have taken money from an

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Speaker 1: animal charity or some ship. Like now that's the number

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Speaker 1: one story. I feel like I heard that headline about

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Speaker 1: the oil and then like literally nobody has ever talked

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Speaker 1: about it since. Yeah. Fuck it. But hey, this this one,

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Speaker 1: this one, let's not start now. Yeah. From the Krasin Steins,

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Speaker 1: seems like, oh yeah, tell us about that. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: lead us in with that cody. The fact that the

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Speaker 1: Crass and Stein's are back in. Oh they are back

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Speaker 1: in Steen. Um. Yeah, so these are the brothers. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure people listeners are aware of their UH and like,

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Speaker 1: I don't throw this word around, Uh, we use it.

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Speaker 1: Their utter grifters, their frauds. Um, they're liars. They've been

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Speaker 1: like investigated by the FBI for like Ponzi schemes, they

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Speaker 1: and but they're back. I like you saying, we don't

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Speaker 1: but there's so many grifters. There's so many grifters, it's hard.

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Speaker 1: We reserve it for the people who it applies to,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately there are many of them. All right, please

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Speaker 1: tell us about this article? Um yeah, so like well,

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Speaker 1: so the Crescent scenes in general have been sharing quite

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Speaker 1: other social media for like blatantly fraudulent behavior, um, like

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Speaker 1: creating sock puppet accounts and stuff. But Medium has never

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Speaker 1: kicked anyone off for any reason. Um, because that's a

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Speaker 1: Well they have that that uh disclaimer at the top says,

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Speaker 1: by the way, we don't endorse whatever this fucking person says.

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Speaker 1: By the way, this could be anything written by anyone. Gone. Uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing. Um. So they're back. Also, I believe on

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Speaker 1: wives accounts Mrs Krassenstein. Yeah. Yeah, they have their wives

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Speaker 1: account that they used to tweet their articles. They're they're

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Speaker 1: one collective wife, um, Ryan and Eddie. Um. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: the headline is Biden accuser terror read allegedly stole from

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Speaker 1: nonprofit organization. Now, before we really dive into this, I

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to alarm anybody, but even criminals

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Speaker 1: can be sexually assaulted. And yeah, I was wild, right

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Speaker 1: And if we're looking at if we are looking at patterns.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden has a pattern of touching women's faces inappropriately

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Speaker 1: which person who touches women inappropriately is worse. And that's

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Speaker 1: And just like Spare, we've got we we got to

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Speaker 1: state back up. And I'm like, oh, so you're just

427
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: going to like air the audio of these people trying

428
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: to seem reasonable and you missed, like the fact that

429
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: they were all cursing doctors a little bit ago for

430
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: fucking taking care of people. So I gave an interview,

431
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: and I gave them my footage and stuff, so thankfully

432
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: some of that made it up. But like, as soon

433
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: as I start talking to these people, we get surrounded

434
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: by like this mix of militiamen and pro HIMP activists

435
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: who also are Quean activists. Yeah, it's it's intersectionality among

436
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: the conspiracy set is quite a thing. So they all

437
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: start like calling us fake news and ship and it's

438
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: one of the things that was really disturbing was the

439
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: number of x blissit like outright neo Nazis. There were

440
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: a lot of like proud boy types and and kind

441
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: of further right types wearing anti Antifa action flags uh,

442
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: wearing boogaloo patches, um, wearing all sorts of different like

443
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: patches and stuff like that are are kind of like

444
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: pepes and stuff that are these sort of coated um

445
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: far right signifiers, and also carrying guns um and waving

446
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: guns around very recklessly, constantly accidentally sweeping other members of

447
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: the crowds and their friends with the barrels of their

448
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: fucking rifles. And I, because I'm a gun guy, I

449
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: wound up engaging some of these people in conversations and they,

450
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: like some of them got pretty candid, and I'm sitting there,

451
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking to this guy who's not to be weight shaming,

452
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: but is not fit enough to run thirty yards in

453
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: the hundred and ten pounds of gear that he had on,

454
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: which is something that I find frustrating. When he first

455
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: walked in, his air fifteen had a thirty round magazine,

456
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: but midway through the protest, he switched in a sixty

457
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: round drum magazine and he was bragging with his friend

458
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: about how he had three D and ten bullets on

459
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: him in case he needed to lay down enough fire,

460
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: and his friend had switched in a forty round drum

461
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: and was like, you know, yeah, I can put out

462
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: a lot. He had like his mag's in his pockets.

463
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: They were all talking about the fact that they had

464
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: between them five six D rounds of AMMO and could

465
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: really like shoot a lot of bullets if they needed

466
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: to today. And then the heavy set fellow who also

467
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: had a ten inch long booie knife up backwards on

468
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: his his his plate carrier, his armored vest like a

469
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: fucking like a fucking Spec Ops guy he's seen in

470
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: a video game, not like yeah anyway, So he is like,

471
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, if I run out of AMMO. I could

472
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: gut them with my knife, and I'm like, who's them?

473
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: Who are you? Nobody is here, Like there's not even there.

474
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: Weren't even cops like there were there was one police

475
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: car parked off in the distance. There was no police presence,

476
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: there were no counter protesters. Who are you going to

477
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: fucking shoot? Like? What what do you like is happening here?

478
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: And if you are like, first of all, yeah, who

479
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: are you talking about? What do you what's the plan?

480
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: And what do you think their plan is? Like that's

481
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: the situation that you're dealing with in your mind. But

482
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: also if you're like using these guns, um, chances are

483
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: you're using them against other people with guns, right, because

484
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: that is not what they were what they were anticipating.

485
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: They were just like, in case we have to like

486
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: murder people. Yeah, I think that's really the attitude I got,

487
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: because it's yeah, I mean sure, yeah, I know. Yeah.

488
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: It was very frustrating and it was very The thing

489
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: that was most unsettling to me was the large number

490
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: of normies of like kids and kind of like normal

491
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: conservative middle class parents. They're intermixed with these fringe people

492
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: talking about the militia movement, like shouting on a bullhorn

493
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: about how we need to form a militia and we

494
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: need to throw the governor out of office, and like

495
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: some guy talking standing next to his like family of

496
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: four talking about who he wants to see the governor's

497
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: bloody body on the steps of the Capitol building. Um,

498
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: and and that that's that is really bad. That's not

499
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: a silly thing, that's not a thing you can just

500
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: the fact that these kind of normal people like my

501
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: fucking parents are hanging out at this rally with people

502
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: carrying guns and explicitly urging the murder of their political opponents,

503
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: and that they're all hanging out together now for hours.

504
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: That's a problem. That is a significant escalation of the

505
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: political situation in this country. That is a bad, dangerous,

506
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: scary place for things to be right now. And I

507
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: have I go I've been to a lot of protests

508
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: in my life, starting um, and I guess two thousand

509
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve, oh no, no, two thousand, um, yeah

510
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: eleven with them fucking occupy and going up to the

511
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: present day. I have never been so fucking piste off

512
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: and scared at the end of one of these things. Um,

513
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: it was everything I could do to not go pick

514
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: up another rifle. But I already have more rifles than

515
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: I can fit in my house and more AMMO than

516
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: I can fit in my house. So yeah, I don't know, uh,

517
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: part of the no I've been about rounds. Yeah, it's

518
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: all very alarming. This mixture, this cocktail of you know,

519
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: this division that's been growing and growing for a long time,

520
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment rights stuff, people hating the government, and

521
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: right now just the increased emotions around what's currently happening.

522
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: It's a really bad cocktail. Did you see signs. I've

523
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: seen post posters of sign got that. I've seen pictures

524
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: online of people with post posters that say, like, you know,

525
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: the federal government can't regulate my body and stuff like

526
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: that from all these wing protesters. And I just want

527
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: to be like, let's talk about abortion, that tons of it.

528
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: There were, there were my body, my choice proteins. Believe

529
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: they weren't. There was no I I got no hint

530
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: from the people I talked to that there was an

531
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: understanding of like they at least it was just you

532
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: fucking assholes I hate so much. H Um, that's not

533
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: a productive thing for me to say or feel. But

534
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: I fucking do I mean being like embedded in that. Yeah,

535
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: just looking at photos and little bits. I'm it's so

536
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: frustrating to watch. I can't imagine actually being there and

537
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: talking to these people. Yeah, it was, it was fun.

538
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: They always when I would engage these gun guys about

539
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: their guns and their equipment to they would always explain

540
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: it to me like I was a fucking nine year old.

541
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, motherfucker, I've got two guns on me right now,

542
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: like you. And it's like and you don't actually know

543
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: what you're fucking talking about with your fucking knockoff EO

544
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: tech like bullshit. I I fucking hate these people for

545
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: so many reasons. Um, but like the man he'd got

546
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: he'd got people with his knife, He'd got people with

547
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: his fucking knife. Like, that's not how you like. It

548
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: was upside down, it was going to fall out of

549
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: his fucking God damn. I hate these people. None of

550
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: them know how to their fucking plate carriers, any of

551
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: None of them are are actually set up to be

552
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: able to like run and take cover, which is like

553
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: the number one thing in any combat situation is taking cover.

554
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: And like if you can't run without all of the

555
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: ship falling out of your stupid fucking rig. I it's

556
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: and the problem is it still won't matter, Like if

557
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: the shooting actually starts, yes, a lot of them will

558
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: die first, but the fact that they have been organized

559
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: and going out and that they have this equipment will

560
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: allow them to replace their casualties. And there's nothing comparable

561
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: on the left in terms of a paramilitary organization. And

562
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: it's already been shown very very strongly that local law

563
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: enforcement is fundamentally sympathetic with these people, Like the Feds

564
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: will be against them, but like that they the Feds

565
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: don't have that many fucking guns. Um, it's very frustrating.

566
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: You know what. I like to talk about product? Yeah, products,

567
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: you know, we all talk about guns, but in some

568
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: ways the best guns are capitalism together. So we're back. UM.

569
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to go over some things outside of my

570
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: very frustrating experiences in Salem that I think of maybe

571
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: even undercovered just because there's so much happening right now.

572
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: So again, on the on the first and the second,

573
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: there were a number of protests all around the country. UM,

574
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: and that included Denver, which is part of the United States.

575
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: Still um, although hopefully not for long. I'm a big

576
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: Denver secessionist guy. But um. Anyway, so they there's this

577
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: big open carry protest that was being planned and it

578
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: kind of got derailed by the fact that like three

579
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: of the attendees got arrested in a giant sting from

580
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: the FBI. One of them, a fifty three year old

581
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: man who had been like posting violent rhetoric on Facebook

582
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: and attracted the attention to the FEDS, was caught with

583
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: upon of pipe bombs. UM, and like a fucking twenty

584
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: two year old kid who was going to be going

585
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: there with him was arrested because he had been like

586
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: he posted this live stream right ahead of the arrest

587
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: because he sees this. Um. He sees that there's like

588
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: police cars all cheering up around his house, so he

589
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: like calls for his militia buddies to all show up

590
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: to protect him. UM, and his mom's yelling at him

591
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: and like telling him to like stop doing this ship

592
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: and like take off his armor and guns and stop

593
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: being a fucking uh an idiot. And he's like yelling

594
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: at his mom and he's like these people will these

595
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: like the police will kill me. Mom if you call

596
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: the cops and me they're gonna fucking kill me because

597
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: he's got an illegal rifle in his house, which he

598
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: admits on Facebook Live and like the reason he felt

599
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: comfortable admitting all of this, like right, and he was

600
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: thankfully arrested peacefully. But he thought that he was going

601
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: to be able to get twenty or thirty of his

602
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: militia guys to show up at his mom's house and

603
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: defend him from the FBI, and that they would have

604
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: their own Bundy kind of standoff. Um, and I I

605
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: found like that seems silly, But I've been following what

606
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: all of this. So this guy got released, by the

607
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: way from custody. He's out now, and I've been following

608
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: he and his friends on Facebook and the things that

609
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: they're saying, and none of them are scared back into

610
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: the ground. Um. They're all talking about how they need

611
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: to do things differently next time so that they don't

612
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: get arrested. Um. So like there's one guy saying, I'm

613
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: glad he's okay. You know, we need to get a

614
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: good game plan together and a good number of people together,

615
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: like for the next time this happens. Yeah, how they

616
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: need to like contact Gun Owners of America because they

617
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: have funds to help with legal cases like this. Like

618
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: there's all these these conversations about like what needs to

619
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: happen next time, um, and it it including them being

620
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: like what needs to happen is the next time we

621
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: organize a protest like this, we need to have everybody

622
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: show up at the organizer's house the night before and

623
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: like sleep there overnight to protect him so that if

624
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: the FBI comes, we can actually easily um organize a

625
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: resistance against them and we won't get like caught with

626
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: only with us all isolated like happened this time. UM.

627
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: So that that's really concerning to me for a number

628
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: of reasons. Chief among them is the fact that these

629
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: people aren't backing down, Like these arrests haven't convinced them

630
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: at all that that's necessary. Um. They're just going to

631
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: try and continue to proke, provoke, um, direct confrontations with

632
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: federal law enforcement and then just encourage them too. Yeah. Yeah,

633
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: that's what they want unev. Yeah, that's exactly what they want.

634
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: And I think they're going to get it sooner rather

635
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: than later. And I don't think it's going to end

636
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: well for federal law enforcement. Because um, there's a whole

637
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: there's a whole conservative media ecosystem that exists to to

638
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: whitewash these guys and UM uh make them seem like patriots,

639
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: and they know it exists, and they know that if

640
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: there's actually an armed confrontation, the FEDS will probably wind

641
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: up being forced to back down. It's really frustrating and scary.

642
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: Do you hear that? Yeah? Yeah, they I mean, these

643
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: guys are are pretty anti cop like. One of the

644
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: So one of the things that's really interesting to me

645
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: because I like track memes that spread between these groups

646
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: is one of the guys connected to UM, the kid

647
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: who was arrested outside of his mom's house UM for

648
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: going along with his pipe bomb guy. One of his

649
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: friends posted a meme on Facebook like at in the

650
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: discussion about UM everything that was happening that's like, uh,

651
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: it's a picture of like a black guy firing a

652
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: handgun into a parked police car and it's captioned with

653
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: when this starts to happen, you'll know why. UM and

654
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: I I found the same thing. So there's a website

655
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: that's UM connected to this American Revolution two point oh

656
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: group that organized a bunch of these rallies called Well

657
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: Regulated Militia dot com UM, and uh, that website is

658
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: this weird mix of like sovereign citizen beliefs, like these

659
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: people who are convinced that there's all these different weird

660
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: um legal bits of basically magic that like saying the

661
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: right words is like magic to cops and because you

662
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: understand these secret laws, like they can't do things to you.

663
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: It's like a mix of that and like outright exhortations

664
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: to murder police officers and elected leaders. UM. And I

665
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: found the same meme posted there on like the same day,

666
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: and it's kind of evidence that you've got this and

667
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: at this. At the same time, about thirty hours ago

668
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: or so, UM, the Oath Keepers, which is like the

669
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: largest pan national militia group, posted a thing saying that

670
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: like American police are gonna need to choose which side

671
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: they're on, um because right now, like they're coming down

672
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: as an enemy of the people. Uh. So you've got this.

673
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: You've got this in a way that hasn't You know,

674
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: the last time the militia movement was this blatantly, violently

675
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: and openly anti cop was the Oklahoma City bombing. Right

676
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: like that the day is leading up to that and

677
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: we're back again, but this time mainstream conservative media is

678
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: pushing these guys. So like the leader of American Revolution

679
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: two point oh was on Info Wars Alex Jones show,

680
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: and he was talking with Sean Hannity. It seems like, um,

681
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: and there's there's other ship like that, like all of

682
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: these different groups, Um, are you know? The the Bikers

683
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: for Trump and stuff have been like official security at

684
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: Trump rallies, and they're connected to the oath Keepers who

685
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: have also like been invited guests to Trump rallies and

686
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: stuff like there's Yeah, these groups are mainstream now. It's terrifying.

687
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: It's terrifying to legitimizing that's happening of them. Uh, it's

688
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: terrifying that there's so much going on that it's hard

689
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: to track. I would say for people right now, it's

690
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: hard to keep this in the forefront of your mind

691
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: when everything else is happening. I don't I don't trust it.

692
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't trust what's happening right now. And it's like

693
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: it's sort of background radiation that's always like they're yeah,

694
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: and it's gotten so much, it's gotten so much more

695
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: main like, yeah, it's it's the main streaming of it.

696
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: Keep coming back to that, but it's it's that's the

697
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: thing that's really scary here. And I think there's still

698
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: this this heavy intention on not like the far left,

699
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: but in like the liberal chunks of the left to

700
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: like write these guys off and make fun of And

701
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: I know, I was just ranting about like they're silly

702
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: setups and how how ridiculous some of them look, but

703
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: to like write them off for that and be like,

704
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter, like how silly they are, and

705
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if their dreams about how this would

706
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: work was is unrealistic. What matters is that they have

707
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: a shipload of guns, they're getting increasingly organized, and they

708
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: want to kill all the people who disagree with them.

709
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: Like that's that's important. And the fact that that that

710
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: belief is becoming more mainstreamed among the right is important. Um.

711
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Like I don't know, the I

712
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: part of I had hoped that when we started seeing

713
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: some crackdowns against these guys, we would see uh them

714
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: start to to to head back underground, but they're they're

715
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: not doing that, um. And so there needs to be

716
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: an organized response to this from the from the left,

717
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: and like, we're not going to get it from the

718
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: actual government itself. So there needs to be an organized

719
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: political response to that, and I'm honestly not sure what

720
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: it needs to be. I don't know how you reach

721
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: out to these people at this point. Um, Like an

722
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: easy way to do it would have been to make

723
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: sure that like, um, you know, there was an actual

724
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: fundamentally reasonable response to the government to the coronavirus, that

725
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: people were taken care of, and that none of these

726
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: the folks who were like honestly worried about like going

727
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: broke right now weren't worried about that. Um. But I

728
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: only think that would really have cut twenty or thirty

729
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: percent of this off, right because a lot of the

730
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: people are are comfortable right now. Um, they just are

731
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: taking this opportunity to push their their uh their politics forward. UM.

732
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what do you guys think. I mean, yeah, well, yeah,

733
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: not just the insidious hijacking of of these kinds of things,

734
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: and um, it's just very unsettling. Uh. And people are

735
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: so primed to they're everyone's so angry and scared. Um,

736
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: Like there's that story about the the security guard got

737
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: shot in the head, the person to wear a mask, Um,

738
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: she's spit in his face, left, came back wearing a

739
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: mask with her dad shot him in the head. Yeah.

740
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: And it's just that kind of thing where it's like, yeah,

741
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: people they some people just crave it, um and Yeah,

742
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: and their leathers are some somehow making them crave it

743
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: even more. Yep. And like the the the there's this

744
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: town in Oklahoma that pushed like a town ordinance requiring

745
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: masks indoors and they were flooded with so many death

746
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: threats that they had to reverse it. Um, death threats

747
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 1: towards employees of those companies. That's one of the things

748
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: that's most fucked up about it to me is that

749
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: these people are like there is this strong strain in

750
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: like conservative America particularly of just absolutely hating service industry workers. Um,

751
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: and this is being used as an opportunity to do that.

752
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: Like it's super gross. Yep. Yeah, really bumps me out. Um,

753
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: it's just horrifying. It's horrifying. It just feels like like

754
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: they're capitalizing on civil unrest, you know and social unrest

755
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: right now and then also amplifying it like Okay, this

756
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: is a reason, this is a way that we can, yeah,

757
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: become more mainstream. Um and yeah, it's just terrifying implications

758
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: of this and what's going to happen now. And yes,

759
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: you talk about then the government has to capitulate, uh

760
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: and make some concessions here were there or whatever it is.

761
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: It depends on the state, but it's it's terrifying, especially

762
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: when today we're looking at now the projections are much

763
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: more dire, looking on what the death toll is and

764
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: what the fallout will be. Um. Yeah, and this just

765
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: amplifies that. Yep, yep, yep. I don't know what do

766
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: you guys? Do you want to take bets on how

767
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: high how bad we think it's going to get, like

768
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: how many people are going to die? Yeah? Sure, why not?

769
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: Why not go totally ghoulish with it? Do not? I know?

770
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: Female just what they ordered, like a hundred thousand body bags.

771
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: That's good. I think we'll hit one deaths. Yeah, I

772
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: think that's pretty reasonable. Did you guys see the model

773
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: that got leaked by the drum administration that came out

774
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: today that whole Yeah, that's what that's what I mean.

775
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: It was like it was it was higher than one twenty. Yeah,

776
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm being conservative here. It's so daunting. But you know,

777
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: at the beginning, the very first projection that spooked everybody

778
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: was over a hundred thousand would be a goal. And

779
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: then we talked about if we enact social distancing measures,

780
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: we can be able to curb that, we'll be able

781
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: to keep it much smaller. And we certainly have curbed

782
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: it in some places, but the rest of the country

783
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: has not complied, and we are well on our way. Yeah,

784
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: there was a headline I saw yesterday or something that

785
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: was like opening up, um, like relaxing quarantine now could

786
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: cost us two d and thirty three thousand lives by July,

787
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: but save millions of jobs. And you know, one of

788
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: the things that's a real bummer is like I was

789
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: having a conversation with a friend of mine recently is

790
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: not a very political person, but it's a pretty reasonable person.

791
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: We were just talking about the virus and she was like, yeah,

792
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: I was the death toll had just hit sixty um.

793
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: And she was like it's fucked up, but like I

794
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: don't even notice the death toll anymore, um, And yeah,

795
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: like that is what happened. Was just thinking that, yeah,

796
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: like that that's how this works. It's just the way

797
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: our brains work. Well, it's just so ghoulish and and

798
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: scary and sad. It's hard. You know. When this started,

799
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: at least for even more news, I was kind of

800
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: doing updates, you know on confirmed cases and what the

801
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: death toll and where it stood. And now you know, yeah,

802
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: we're you know, I'll give a general update every so often,

803
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: but it's just too overwhelming. Yeah, like today, Like yesterday

804
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: the news hit that we had lost an entire nine

805
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: eleven worth of Americans in one day, And today the

806
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: top trends Twitter, um are all related to Star Wars. Yeah,

807
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: just literally just the names of Star Wars films. I

808
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: don't know, Twilight, also Twilight and Joe Exotic because Nick

809
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: Cage is going to be playing Joe Exotic. Yeah, I didn't.

810
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: That's terrible. That's deeply upsetting. Yeah, that should all be felonies. Um,

811
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: I don't even know what kind of felony. We'll figure

812
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: that as an adit. Yeah, I am not. I don't know,

813
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to just be like, you know,

814
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: what the positive is is that, um, Jesse the body

815
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: Ventura tore the hell out of that waters motherfucker from

816
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: Fox News Jesse Waters during a live interview. Um, so

817
00:48:51,280 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: that everybody, yeah about topics I'm I'm waiting for like

818
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: actually he believes this batshit thing, um, but no, far

819
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: right about quite a few things. I I was, Yeah,

820
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: I was going back recently and like looking at an

821
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: old appearance of him on the view where he's like

822
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: very cogently stating like, no, I was waterboarded during my

823
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: military training. It is absolutely torture, and for some reason,

824
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: we only do it to Muslims. Yeah. Yeah. And it

825
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: was this this realization of like two of the guys

826
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: from the Predator movie, um, who were who became famous

827
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: for their big muscles, Um, are two of the more

828
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: sober minded and responsible American political thinkers in quite something.

829
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: Quite something, It's quite quite something. Uh. He also made

830
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: me realized that, uh, the y M c A, at

831
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: least at a certain point, was a front for the

832
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: C I A the CEE. That's pretty good. Um yeah,

833
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: I'll share a positive piece of quarantine content I saw

834
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: to try to end this. Uh. I'm not sure if

835
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: you guys have seen this circulating, but it was made

836
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: with Juilliard and uh they've got yo yo maa, they've

837
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: got all these you know, classical musicians playing this piece

838
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: of music that you all recognize I don't know the

839
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: name of, and the dancers performing different pieces. You've got

840
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: Laura Linney in there, and you know, different people making appearances.

841
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: But it's really beautiful. It's really sad and funny and

842
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: hopeful and uplifting. It's ten minutes long. You guys should

843
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: google it and find it and give yourself a moment

844
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: of watching something beautiful that was probably very hard to coordinate.

845
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: It looks daunting to me, but I really appreciated it.

846
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: It made my day this weekend. That sounds amazing. Unrelated

847
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: to everything we've discussed today, I liked the ending on

848
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: on on something positive. Yeah, let's do you want to do?

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