1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: My name is Phyllis Smith, and I played Phillis Lap 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: and Vance. Hello everybody, and welcome back, one and all 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: to the Office Deep Dive. I am your host, Brian Baumgartner, 4 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: and I am so excited to present to you my 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: interview with Phyllis Smith and guys. This episode is truly 6 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: one of my favorites ever, not only because Phillis is 7 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: obviously wonderful, but because I finally finally got to have 8 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: my Oprah moment. Now here's what happened. As some of 9 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: you may know, Phillis did not start out as an actor. No, 10 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: Phillis was actually Alison's casting associate on the Office, but 11 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: she was just so perfect that Greg Daniels and Ken 12 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Koppa decided to cast her, and obviously she went on 13 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: to be an incredible part of our ensemble. So Phillis 14 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: and Allison had worked together many years, become very very 15 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: close friends. But they don't get to see each other 16 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: very often these days. So when I was going to 17 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: be interviewing Phillis, I said to Alison, Hey, Alison, why 18 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: don't you come in. You guys can talk about casting, 19 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: and then I can talk with Phillis about you know, 20 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: her progression through the show. And but let's surprise her. 21 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: Don't tell Phillis that you're going to be there, and 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: as you will hear right now. It was just the 23 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: best moment. So um oh, I'm so excited. Let's roll 24 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: the tape. Bubble and Squeak. I love it. Bubble and 25 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: Squeak and Bubble and Squeaker Cookie every month, lift over 26 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: from the night before. I'm so excited for Phillis to 27 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: come in and see you. She's out there. She just 28 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: doesn't know that you're here. Are we good? Okay, she's 29 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: gonna walk through that door. I love this, skinny Phillis. 30 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: What's the surprised? How are you so good to see you? Oh? 31 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: My goodness, ill Hello, asked her? Most everything? Yeah, no, 32 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 1: ask her. So I just this is just to tell 33 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: you what's going on. So I had my thing. I've 34 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: interviewed Allison, We've talked about casting the entire show. But 35 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: I said to her, let's let's leave off Phillis, because 36 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: I wanted you to come in and you guys to 37 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: be able to have a conversation together. So how when 38 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: did you guys meet? Oh? God, okay, the first pilot 39 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: we worked on together was called was at those offices 40 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: across from Universal, and we cast James Franco and Ben 41 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: Foster in a really bad sitcom. We were in the trailer. Oh, 42 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: we were in the trailer that we were in the 43 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: trailer first on NBC's lot, that's right, And that was 44 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: um because Jessica Walter screamed at her agent for sending 45 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: her to the wrong place and we were like hiding 46 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: behind at the desk like, oh my god, We're like, 47 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: what's going on? Um? But yeah, it was an in 48 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: terrible trailer and it was during like El Nino, and 49 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: our trailer everything was soaked. Everything was soaked. They had 50 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: terrible rain that re leaks. And from my point of view, 51 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: I had been working with Alan Hackford and the day 52 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: that was my last day with him on we went 53 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: across the hall to say goodbye, and that when um 54 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: whose office? They said, oh, Allison John Yeah? And I said, 55 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: do you know if anybody's looking for a casting and 56 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: associate and they said, oh, yeah, Allison Jones to it. 57 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: And so then I contacted you and then I had 58 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: an interview on Monday, and you started me on Wednesday, Yes, right, 59 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: right right? And I remember Steve Jacobs was another casting director, 60 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: said if you want someone to whip you into shape 61 00:04:52,839 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: higher this gal nod he what so what years? Probably 62 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: because then we went on to do some like Freaks 63 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: and Geeks. We did other Yeah, but before that we 64 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: did Roswell, which was lacious. We call our we called 65 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: at the lowest point of both of our lives. It 66 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: was just delicious because it was for a network that 67 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: needed beautiful people. I told you that's where Heath Ledger 68 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: wasn't good looking enough for Fox right and Ian Summer 69 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: remember Ian Summer Holder yelled at me because yes, we 70 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: were shocked. You got yelled at for reading too fast 71 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: with the actor in the room, and I felt terrible, 72 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, he yelled at me right after they so, yeah, 73 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: I've never done that. Yeah, I should try that. The 74 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: job not like traumatized me. So I tried to slow 75 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: it down after that. So you worked together from through 76 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: two thousand three the whole time. Still worked through the 77 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: first episodes of the Office. Didn't work till the mid 78 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: second season, right, because you guys weren't getting paid anything, right, 79 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: and I we didn't know if we were getting a 80 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: pickup r Yeah, So I remained in casting Kate remained 81 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: working in the restaurant. Yeah, so we all just held on. 82 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: So what did you What did you do in casting 83 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: for like, were you primarily reading or were you I um, 84 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: Alison would give me her ideas and we'd go through. 85 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: At that time and casting we used to get real 86 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: pictures and resumes were stacked full, so I had to 87 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: separate all those in two different you know, and whatever 88 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: Allison wanted me to do, I did it and set 89 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: up the appointments. Make sure. Trying to confirm actors. You 90 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: were a tough one though, because you would say, you 91 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: have to call me back and confirm that the confirmation 92 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: is actually real. Yeah, not just I remember that one 93 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 1: time we had that one kid that we had given 94 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: out an appointment and it was for um, a bad movie. 95 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: It was a movie that did and it was with 96 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: Creative or you so big agency. I don't remember the agency. 97 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: But he I had given out all the appointments, waited 98 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: approximately a week or so to confirm. Finally I hadn't 99 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: heard anything. So I called and he still hadn't given 100 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: the appointments out and the session was like, you know, 101 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: a couple of days away. So what I did is 102 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: I proceeded to call the managers of everybody, and all 103 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: of a sudden, this kid calls me and he goes, 104 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: what do you think you're doing? And uh, I said, well, 105 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing the work that you should have been doing. Yes, 106 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: And he goes, how dare you? And I said, well, 107 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: you know what, let me tell you something I said. 108 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: When I call you, you say hello, because he was 109 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: so be fuddled. When I give you the information, you 110 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: call me back with a confirmation, and when we go 111 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: to hang up, you say goodbye. You just don't drop 112 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: the phone. And you remember I was yelling at this point. 113 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: I came around at Allison, standing this, because who are 114 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: you talking to you? Um? So you did casting for 115 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: nineteen years? Yes? Is that right? Approximately? So someone found 116 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: this quote that you said for nineteen years. That's what 117 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: I did. I examined the character, the truth of it, 118 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: and I think that I didn't know it at the time, 119 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: but I was learning. I don't remember saying that. Does 120 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: that sound right? Well? What I have said in various 121 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: interviews is that I was probably honing a craft that 122 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know I was honing. I was never in 123 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: the forefront of my mind, and I can honestly say, 124 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: I never thought that I would be an actor. You know. 125 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: It was never something I went, Oh, I wonder if 126 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: there's a role for me. At one point I was 127 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,479 Speaker 1: trying to get into commercials and and like acting commercials, 128 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: and then life changed and I ended up. Well, you 129 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: know how I got into casting, right? Do you know 130 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: that HOWE into casting? I don't know that. Well. I 131 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: was working as a receptionist in an aerospace defense company 132 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: in Sherman Oaks. A friend of mine called, who had 133 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: worked for Stuart Stu Billet Productions on a court show 134 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: and they said, phillis they need a mousey woman for 135 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: a court show? And I said, oh, man, I didn't 136 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: want to. I wasn't actively auditioning or going out. I 137 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: was being a receptionist and I had one hour for lunch. 138 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: I had to go over the hill to do this audition, 139 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: and in process. At this time, this was the olden days, 140 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: we wore nylons and I went to the bathroom and 141 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: as I was pulling them up, I ripped a huge 142 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: hole night my entire knee was out of my my 143 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: n So I walked into the audition and I said, 144 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: excuse me, are you looking for mousey or lifted up 145 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: my skirt or tacky, and so we ended up in 146 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: a conversation and and I wasn't mousey enough to be 147 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: a mousey woman. Shocking. But in the course of the conversation, 148 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I think I might be good 149 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: in casting. And about a year later she called me, 150 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: and that's how I ended up. And I was at 151 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: the lowest. I mean, I had to do everything, everything 152 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: that nobody else wanted to do. I was there doing 153 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: what it was this like three hundred a week or 154 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: my first job was two d fifty bucks a week 155 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: and I was thrilled, but it would have been about 156 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: three what would yours have been probably in late eighties. Yeah, 157 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: so I was a little bit earlier, but two and 158 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: fifty bucks a week was huge. Yea. So that's how 159 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: I ended up in the casting and then it just 160 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: now it's a thing people want to do. Shockingly, we 161 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: just sort of ended up in it. Um, did you 162 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: feel the casting process of of casting The Office was 163 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: was different than any other show that you had done before. 164 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: I think it was because the the material was so 165 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: different from the other the other shows. It was a 166 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: give and take and it was then Joe, you know, 167 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: and this was completely a different style. Would say, if 168 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: you think you're doing too little, you're still doing too much, right, 169 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: because we had every direction to give everybody, everybody pull 170 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: it down. Yeah, I have the original audition I have 171 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: for stand uh Leslie in my office. I left the 172 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: camera running by mistake, and it shows me explaining the 173 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: genre of the show and how it's going to be 174 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: a fake documentary. And I think you walked by in 175 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: the background, by the way, and I'm you know, just 176 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: saying and there's poor poor Leslie going m h. And 177 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: I was just kept repeating, it's less is more, it's 178 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: it has to feel like it's a documentary like in 179 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: the British show. Blah blah blah blah. But that was 180 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: what we stressed. Was there anyone? Was there someone that 181 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: you remember fighting for that was cast or wasn't cast? 182 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: Better you were in the rooms because you were reading 183 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: with these actors, so you you had a better feel 184 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: for it. But you read with them. I read them 185 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: with them until Ken Koppus came up to me and said, 186 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: could you let Phillis read because I think she'd be 187 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: good in the show. I didn't know any of them 188 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: saying the same thing. I mean, she got it because 189 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: Ken thought she was good. But he she said, let 190 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: Phillis read. Oh my god, that's a great idea. Um. 191 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: So Phillis then went in and started reading with all 192 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: the actors and she was remember being scared. Though I'm 193 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: sure you were scared because I didn't want to screw 194 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: it up. I didn't know he was auditioning. Yeah, yeah, 195 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: but I was frightened because I wanted to do a 196 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: good job for the actors. And I read with Rain 197 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: and then another time I read with Kruzinski, and I 198 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: remember when when I read with him, I thought, oh, 199 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: that's that's the one. It just felt right. I remember 200 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: remember John sitting out in the reception area and he 201 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: had you had put him on tape, like the first 202 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: day he was put on tape in New York. I 203 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: remember we had the same man's Jake cru sweater on. 204 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, oh, I hope he doesn't notice this 205 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: was brown, mind was green, so funny. Yeah, well, they 206 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: were all sitting there and then the second day he 207 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: didn't get called back either way, and he just was 208 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: like very nervous. And he later had told me he 209 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: thought it was because he didn't do well the first day, 210 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: and in reality it was the reverse that I think 211 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: he had already already made an impression. And and and 212 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: I remember BJ sitting out there just he looked like 213 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: he was petrified. Yeah he I don't I didn't know him. 214 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know his personality, you know. Now that's just 215 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: the way he looks, I know, But at the time 216 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: he looked like and he didn't engage with people, he 217 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: didn't talk or what's got put him? You know? But 218 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: then I realized that was part of his My big 219 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: fear in all the casting situations when you mix and matches, 220 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, how bad are they going to feel 221 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: if they don't get called back in? I hate that. 222 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: And then Steve, Steve came in day two because he 223 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: because he was still whatever it was, he was still 224 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: hooked into the other NBC shows, they let him come 225 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: in on the second day. What was your impression of Steve? 226 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: I thought he was brilliant, you know, right off I 227 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: told him that I was for me, it was a 228 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: toss up because Odin Kirk was so cool. And so 229 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: then you said that when I was watching the tape 230 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: of Steve, who was the other guy that well, there 231 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: was there was also Paul if Tompkins and really good 232 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: people that were testing. But it came down to between 233 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: oden Kirk and Carroll. But it would have been a 234 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: different It would have been a different different Michael with 235 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: oden Kirk. But you had said to me that when 236 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: I was watching the monitor watching Steve's test, and I 237 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: was doubled over with laughter, and Gregg noticed that, Yeah, yeah, 238 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: you always thought that was because you yes, you're having 239 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: a hard time keeping it. Oh my god, yes, yeah, 240 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: that's awesome. What um, So you knew way before that 241 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: they were considering that that Ken was considering Phillis. Oh no, 242 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: like an hour before we were reading that day and said, 243 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: could you just switch you do the camera? You do 244 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: this lit Phillis reach And I was at the coffee 245 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: trying to make sure everything was at the coffee and 246 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: Kim came up and he said, Phillis, someone should read 247 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: the character of Pam today and I went okay. So 248 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: I thought, well, maybe one of the PAMs is going 249 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: to be late or I didn't know the why. And 250 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: then I was nervous because I didn't know that you knew, 251 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: and I was like concerned that I was going to 252 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: be doing something out of line for my job, you know, 253 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: So you knew all of that, and no one really 254 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: ever came to me. Wardrobe was actually the first one 255 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: who called and said, I understand you're playing the character 256 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: of Phillis, and I went, yes, I am. Um. So 257 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: you didn't get to tell her, not for years. No, no, 258 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: but you didn't. You didn't get to tell her that 259 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: she had been cast. I guess Wardrobe to I was 260 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: in on it and didn't tell her. Do you remember 261 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: the day that you came in, Yes, to our office, No, 262 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: to the producers session. We were over where we where 263 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: we shot the first Yeah, and um we had to 264 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 1: go from to get the actors. We had to go 265 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: about a block and a half within the building to 266 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: bring him back to the little where we were recording. 267 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: And so as a result, the session we were ran. 268 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: She ran the sessions on time. You didn't sit when 269 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: you went to Allison's. Yeah, you you went in. But 270 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: for some reason that day we were behind. We were 271 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: really behind. And I remember Leslie had another audition to 272 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: go to, so we said, go ahead, go to your 273 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: audition and come back. So he went to his audition. 274 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: He came back. He fought the traffic and he was 275 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: in a real premid when he came in and must have. Yeah, 276 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: and you remember when Greg jumped out the windows. Ex 277 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: was gonna say to you in a casting session, just 278 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: West Perkins was there and she yeah, we were. Was 279 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: it at the beginning before the lunch hour or it was, 280 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: but it was we were had all had to sit 281 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: at a conference table in that the room that you 282 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: didn't have to go into when you read you didn't see, 283 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: but that's where we cast everybody else. And now there 284 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: was and all of a sudden, Greg just gets up 285 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: and jumps out this window, opened the window and jumped 286 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: out the window, and unfortunately the window was close to 287 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah. And then Nancy Perkins, in a thick 288 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: Boston accent, said said, oh my god, I've heard of 289 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: produces wanting to jump out the window before, but he 290 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: just did it. Yeah, we all just looked. He had 291 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: to get a sweater in his car something. I don't 292 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: know why he did it, but it was funny. We 293 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: just looked at each other. He also used to graph 294 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: the qualities of actors. Um he had a graph and 295 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: he would like put what he needed and what he saw, 296 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: and he would literally graph the qualities of actors. He 297 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: has a I may have that he had a very 298 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 1: scientific mind, uh when it came to things like that, 299 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: and that of course drove me nuts. But he would 300 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: always say that he was less instinct and more thinking, 301 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: you know, thinking about it. Who would you put with this? 302 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: And who would you who would go with that? If 303 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: you had these two people, who would be this person? 304 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: He thought about it very carefully and it certainly worked 305 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: on the office. But jumping out the window, you and 306 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: I were very fancy. She was, oh my god, he 307 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: jumped out the window. And now we know that's kind 308 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: of normal, but it was terrific. Produces one to jump 309 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: out the window before. But well, I, it's interesting because 310 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: of you talking about that on the casting side, because 311 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: what we've been told by some of the writers was 312 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: one of the exercises that they did. They called them 313 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: unlikely duos or something like that, and everyone's name would 314 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: be on the wall, right, so Kevin and Phillis and 315 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: Michael and Dwight and and one of their exercises was 316 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: take two characters that you wouldn't put together, and let's 317 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: put them together and then have some story about that interesting. Yeah, 318 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: but it's interesting on from the casting perspective, from the beginning, 319 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: wanting to he does that's at least how he did 320 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: it with the office. Yeah, he would ask everybody, you know, 321 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: would you rather have this person or this person? And 322 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: then if you have this person, would you have have 323 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: this person or this person? But he was a very 324 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: um pensive and thoughtful person that way. And those are 325 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: the like the people that we've had the privileged to 326 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: work for, Mitch Herwitz and Judd Apatow and Paul Feige. 327 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: They do think about things in a different way to 328 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: make the whole greater than the sum of its parts. 329 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: They all have strange ways and interesting ways of thinking. 330 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: I call it comedy. Aspergers, Sorry, yea, he was great. 331 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: Why do you think the two of you worked so 332 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: well together? Kind of laid back and we enjoyed it, right, 333 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: We had a lot of laughs. And I truly I'm 334 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: not just saying this because she's sitting here. She can 335 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: remember every actor that not only opened their mouth to her, 336 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: but walked and you know, just walk through the room 337 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: she has and she was never afraid to go out 338 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: and find new talent. She just had an eye she 339 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: had an eye for somebody that was unique and different, 340 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: and so did you though I just a little anecdote. 341 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: We cast a show called spin City when it was 342 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: it was a spin City or Battery Park that you 343 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: meant to go sitting. When she was six, We're at 344 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: Radford and Phillis was reading kids for a one line 345 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: role on a Christmas episode or something, and Phillis said, Allison, 346 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: I read this girl, but come on in and we'll 347 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: read her again, because you've never seen anything like this. 348 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: And it was six year old Da Code of Fanning 349 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: reading one line about being an orphan or something, and 350 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: Phillis literally was like, I've never seen anything like it. 351 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: She was wondering. She was amazing. So Dakoda Fanning and 352 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: Childa both go down for me as the best child 353 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: actors I've ever seen. Wow. Um, when you guys walked 354 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: in and you saw each other, what is it about 355 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: the history between you two that I feel so special? 356 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: We just love you. We just love each other. And 357 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: she's hilarious and we had a lot of good laughs. 358 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: We did. We yeah, a lot of good Yeah. We 359 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: enjoyed it and love actors and basically a great just 360 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: a great like ultimately, who cares, So let's just have fun. Yeah. Well, 361 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: she's a dear person and we worked together for a 362 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: long time and she always knew my sisters and stuff, 363 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: my brothers. Yeah. Yeah, when we come back, we're gonna 364 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: kick Alison out, and Phillis and I we're gonna sit 365 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: down for a chat together. Hi. Phil Hi can that's 366 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: what you've been in my life for so long? Bri? 367 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: I know, well, um, yeah, so we sort of talked 368 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: about Um. I think it's fascinating that you were casting 369 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: all of these shows and never had a thought. I truly, 370 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: I can honestly say that that was not I thought 371 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: that ship had sailed and so, um, I don't know, 372 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: it's just meant to be, and it's changed my life completely. Yeah, 373 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: completely in a good way. You know. Did you have 374 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: any training? No? No, I I'm Alan Hockberg, who I 375 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: worked for on Dr Quinn Medicine Woman. I worked with 376 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: him for about six years, six or seven years, and 377 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: he actually taught me how to hold the parricides and 378 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: read with an actor, and and so he was instrumental 379 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: in helping me to learn how to read with an 380 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: actor and treat an actor and and then when Alison, 381 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: she was another person who really a lot of casting 382 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: directors did not get involved when they read with actors, 383 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: as you know, but Allison really gave her all when 384 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: she read with people. So again being in the room 385 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: and watching her interact with the actor and watching the 386 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: actors um it just I don't know, Well, it's it's 387 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: funny because I've heard of people. I never did this, 388 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: but I've heard of actors who will find an in 389 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: with a casting director to be the person who reads 390 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: with Yeah. There used to happen all the time, right, 391 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: because they wanted to see, you know, actors performances and 392 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: be privy to the conversations about why that person got 393 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: cast and that person got cast. It always seemed like 394 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: kind of a smart thing, you know, to be able 395 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: to go in and hear what people were talking about 396 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: or what they were responding to, or you as an 397 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: actor learning tips from that. And it's so fascinating that 398 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: you were doing that for nineteen years but I didn't. 399 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: But you weren't even trying it just it just came in, right. 400 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't. My job at that time was to do 401 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: the best that I could for the actor to get 402 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: the job. Are to cipher out who shouldn't be there 403 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: and who should be there, you know, but it turned 404 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: out okay, okay, um, so you got a call from wardrobe. 405 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: So at this point you have no idea. I just 406 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: thought it was odd that day that Ken came to me. 407 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: I really felt nervous because I didn't want to step 408 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: on Allison's toes um. I think there was a fact 409 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: that came through the head the character of phyllis there, 410 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: but we didn't. I didn't want to even believe that 411 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: it was going to be a possibility. And as soon 412 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: as wardrobe calls, then I because nobody ever came human, 413 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: said hey, do you want to be in the show? 414 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: Do you never really auditioned? No, I guess I auditioned, 415 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: but didn't know I was auditioning, which is another thank you, 416 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: because I would have been completely if I was nervous 417 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: enough wanting to do a good job for the people 418 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: I was reading with, had I known he was actually 419 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: watching me. But you know what, they did use a 420 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: tape of my reading at the network. One of the 421 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: tapes that they presented I was reading was someone so 422 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: it was covered in the long run, But I didn't 423 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: know any of that at the time. That is so amazing. 424 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: I think that is like the best story ever. I 425 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: think some actors think, you know, not our group of people. 426 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: But I run across other people sometime and they if 427 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: they hear this story, they go, oh, you know, they're 428 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: kind of a little bit like, well, look I studied it, 429 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and so they're not too thrilled with it. Right. Well, 430 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: I think it speaks to what you know, the producers 431 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: and and Greg and Ben and and and and Ricky 432 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: and Stephen were looking for in in this that they 433 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: were really looking for normal people or people not known 434 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: faces in any way, shape or form, and just people 435 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: that go to an office. You know. Yeah, um, I 436 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: think that potentially Phyllis and Kevin were the butt of 437 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: a lot of jokes. We were, We were definitely the 438 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: butt of a lot of maybe not all, but a lot. Um. 439 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: Did you did I take a fence to that or anything? 440 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: You know? Uh? I have to say though, when they 441 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: wanted me to carry Angela on my back in the 442 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: finale that I thought, Okay, that's a little much. First 443 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: of all, physically, I'm not wasn't sure how it was 444 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: going to play out, But then they took care of 445 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: it and at all, you know, with with the stunts 446 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: and boards and stuff like that. And then I actually 447 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: carried her like once or twice down the aisle, but 448 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: but that was just a tinge to my feeling. Well 449 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: that's a little bit over there. Yeah, I certainly had 450 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: some of those things as well. I think that my 451 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: I was told at some point, I think it was 452 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: it was either season seven or season eight. We were 453 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: talking about going forward without Steve, and I was talking 454 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: to some of the higher ups and they said, well, 455 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: we can't lose Kevin because now that Michael's gone, we 456 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: have nobody else to do really really stupid things. So 457 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: like that's what they were, because I started doing a 458 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: ton of the physical stuff to it. There was oil 459 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: in the warehouse and slipping around and doing all this stuff. 460 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: And I remember and like rain on my back on 461 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: the filing cabinet, like giving me a massage. And there 462 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: were a few times I went to them and I 463 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, guys, I am not a cartoon character. 464 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: There are physical limitations to what I can do, so 465 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: you can't just write anything. They go, oh, well, yeah, 466 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: he can do that, of course. Yeah. I was always 467 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: grateful to get a line. That would be like that. 468 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: You know, you get a script and you start thumbing 469 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: through it as say, oh wow, I've got three four. 470 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, I was. I was grateful to get a line. 471 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: Did you communicate much with the writers about I never did. 472 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know I was had. I didn't know that 473 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: that if that was permissible. I hadn't been in those 474 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: shoes before as an as an actor. So whatever they 475 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: gave me, I I was glad I got. You know, 476 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: I was more unhappy when I didn't get something than 477 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: than what I did get. Right. Do you feel like 478 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: there were things specific to you that influenced the character 479 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: of Phyllis? Um? Golly, I think well with my per 480 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: so now I sometimes like off, can I can be sarcastic, 481 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, in a sweet way, And so I must 482 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: have done that to somebody somewhere along the line and 483 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: they kind of picked up on it. Um I was. 484 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I never Are these the questions I 485 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: should be asking when I have a character. No, I 486 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: mean I think, I mean, as it creating a character, 487 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: this is no. I think it's more you know, for me, 488 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering because I don't know, the answer is 489 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: like did you have you know, whether you saw something 490 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: in yourself that sort of came through. I just tried 491 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: to do it from my gut because I didn't have 492 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: anything else to work from. So if I got the line, 493 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: I would try to deliver it a couple of different 494 00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: ways with a different feeling. And um, I, like I said, 495 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: I never really thought of like a backstory for Phyllis. 496 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: I never had that knowledge to do that are the 497 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: tools to do that. I just went from my gut 498 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: and she just and however people perceived her, then all 499 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:20,239 Speaker 1: of a sudden, that's what she'd be given. And like 500 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: I always loved my interactions with Michael because we were 501 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: so competitive in high school and you know, right, But 502 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: then I think another significant would be Angela. Oh yeah, 503 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: that was a perfect you know the fact that I 504 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: was so much larger than she was, but she tried 505 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: to rule me. Uh and I completely what is the word? Yeah, 506 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: We asked to to what she wanted until I got 507 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: to the point that I couldn't stand her, you know, 508 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: And that's kind of way I do in life. I take, take, take, 509 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden I'd blow up so 510 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: so so it is like, yes, it is like, yeah, look, 511 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: it took all that time to get to that point. Um. 512 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: But luckily for Phillis you walked in on Angela and Twite. 513 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, which shifted the whole balance of power. 514 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: I I was the one in in charge then all right, right, 515 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: that must have been fun. Was the best, Like when 516 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: I swooped everything off the desk that was in Nobody 517 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: told me to do that, I just did it. Yeah. 518 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: I enjoyed the arc of Angela being the my nemesis 519 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: to my becoming her nemesis. Right right. I didn't think 520 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: about it like that before. About right, that's exactly what happened. 521 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: Do you have any favorite episodes? There's so many though 522 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: that I mean, there's moments I think I've talked about 523 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: one before where Dwighton and Michael they bumped chest and 524 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: they go, we did it, and then they go, what 525 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: we do? I don't know. It's just a stupid little 526 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: but it kind of like encapsulates the the whole feeling 527 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 1: of the office is like they're doing something and then 528 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: what we do? You know, m favorite episodes that I've 529 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: you know, when of course my wedding and I love 530 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: the scene that you and I did together when I 531 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: was in charge of trying and you came in you 532 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: wanted money. That was really one of the first scenes 533 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: that I ever had one on one with you, and 534 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: it felt really real. I enjoyed iron I think I 535 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: said something to you that day after the scene. Yeah, 536 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: for me, whoever we were paired off with on that 537 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: particular day or episode or whatever, it was generally exciting. Yeah, 538 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: A good A good deal. I love the episode where 539 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: Dwight kind of I hurt my back at the disco 540 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: and he takes and treats me as if I'm a 541 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: farm animal. Do you remember not I mean, not necessarily 542 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: where you were or what, but hearing that that Steve 543 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: was going to leave, Oh man, that was the It 544 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: was like somebody punched you in the stomach, you know. Um. 545 00:35:52,680 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: I remember just being very sad about it, right because 546 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: I I liked him so much as a person, I 547 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,959 Speaker 1: respected him so much as an actor. I I thought 548 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 1: he had brought so much heart to the to the office, 549 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: to the show, and I was really nervous about how 550 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: that void was going to be filled, not only, you know, 551 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: as his acting abilities, but also as a He was 552 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: just a good guy. Yeah, I remember feeling way more 553 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: emotional about him leaving than even the end of the show, really, 554 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: I think because I felt like, you know, like a 555 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: kid when mom and dad leaves or something. It's like, well, now, 556 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: now what. And there's actually one of the I think 557 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 1: one of my personal favorite lines was when he proposed 558 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: it to Holly and the rains coming down and we're 559 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: getting soaked by all the sprinklers and he says we're 560 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: going to Colorado, and Kevin says all of us, And 561 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: there was just something so sort of beautiful about that, 562 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: and then the realization that no, no, no, he was 563 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: he was leaving. Yeah. You know when you you talked 564 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: about when the show ended in after the ninth season, 565 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: that was a tough tough night, especially when Creed started singing. 566 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: But for me, it was really tough, like months later 567 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: after the show had ended and we generally would go 568 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: back to work around July or August, that's when it 569 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 1: set in that, oh, this is life's different now, you know, 570 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: we're not going back. Yeah. When I sat down with 571 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: Greg before that last season or moving into the finale 572 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: and we started talking about, you know, my life's journey 573 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: that point through the office and Kevin, and my experience 574 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: was um people feeling like they knew me and specifically 575 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: feeling like I was the guy that they wanted to 576 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 1: get a drink with, and I would. I said something 577 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: to him like Greg, I can't go into a bar 578 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: without getting bought multiple drinks. Like they just come to 579 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: the point I say, and I'm good, No, thank you, no, 580 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm good. Now, I gotta I gotta stop now. Guys, 581 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: at least people that call you Kevin you know that 582 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: they know you from this show. You me when people 583 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: say Phyllis, I have to think for a moment, Okay, 584 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: do I have our paths crossed? For a moment, do 585 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: I know you? Or But in reality I do know 586 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: them or they know me because I've been in their bedroom, 587 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: in their living room, in their kitchen, and before they 588 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 1: go to work and as they go to sleep, and 589 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: so we are apart of our fans lives. You know, absolutely, 590 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: But at least you can decipher yours a little better 591 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: with Kevin and than Brian. That's true. I've never thought 592 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: about that before Phyllis or Creed or Oscar or Angela. Yeah, 593 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: and especially if they say, oh I saw you, and 594 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm thinking Okay, now did I you know, did I 595 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: go to school with them or what? Right? That's actually 596 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: the most difficult. Well, I have two difficult fan interactions. 597 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: One is I'll be at a at a serious place 598 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: of business, like like in a thing, and I'm meeting someone. 599 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: Or I have a good friend who's introducing me to 600 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: a good friend who says like, oh, we've met before, right, 601 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: And I immediately go, no, I know we haven't, and 602 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: I know why you think before. But then to say that, 603 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: you become like I no, like I was on a 604 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,399 Speaker 1: television show, you know, like so yeah, for me, I 605 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,760 Speaker 1: love all the fan interaction I have. I really haven't 606 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,240 Speaker 1: had an The hardest part for me is at a funeral. 607 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: That's really awkward. I've had it happened twice, and I 608 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: just have to say, you know, I'm here because of this, 609 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: not or if you're at a wedding, and because I 610 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: tend to forget, you know, I when I go to 611 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: a wedding, I go to a wedding because I like 612 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 1: the person. But other than that, I have no problem 613 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: with them coming up to me. No, I don't. Nobody 614 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: wants to buy me a drink. I don't drink but 615 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: I think it's the specific Yeah, and part it's the 616 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:57,240 Speaker 1: specific character. Um do you remember, I mean you talked 617 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: a little bit about it. Cree the last song like that. 618 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: That that's the moment that you remember about the finale, 619 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: and like that. The whole finale was, you know, driving 620 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: out to that ranch out in the middle of nowhere, 621 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: and it was a total surprise to me. I didn't 622 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: know Steve was going to come back, and I was, 623 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, just so thrilled to even seem out alone 624 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: having been the finale and that was the best to 625 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 1: have a full reunion for the finale. So you didn't 626 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,919 Speaker 1: know until you saw him there. So I'm in the 627 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: middle of the night getting out of my car and 628 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: there he was, you know, and I'm going, oh my god, 629 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: it's so great. Yeah. I had no idea it was 630 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: coming back because they hid it in the script. It 631 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: was not in the script. I somehow knew the night before. 632 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: I don't remember. I don't remember how, but like literally 633 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 1: the night before or something like that. It was more 634 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: like don't you tell a soul? But and I don't 635 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: remember who told me whatever, But yeah, I remember it shocking. 636 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: What's in his line his talking head about the your 637 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: your children marrying each other well and just the that's 638 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: what she said. This is the first thing out of 639 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: his mouth, just so perfect. Um. And that's the thing 640 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: that people don't realize now, Like when you watch it 641 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: on Netflix. At the time, it was such a big 642 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: surprise because everyone was asking and everyone was saying, you no, 643 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: right because we assumed that it was no. But I 644 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: mean even him and gregged and then net work didn't know, 645 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: like nobody knew. Yeah. Um, now when you watch the show, 646 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: you know that not as much build up. Um. What 647 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: do you think it is about the show that makes 648 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: people respond so crazy to it? Now? Golly, I don't know. 649 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: People say, they'll come up and they say, I just 650 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: love your you know, they love this or they love that, 651 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: and they have a Dwight in their office, or they 652 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: have a Kevin in their office, or they have you know, 653 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: they have those people so they can relate in some 654 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: way to the various characters. Um. But it was just different, 655 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: you know. It took a bold step. And in today's world, 656 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: it's some of it may cross the lines. You know, 657 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: things are so politically correct nowadays. So uh, and little 658 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: kids look at that A six year old who was 659 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: asking as questions who they were so intelligent and informed 660 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: and and to me, six is a little young to 661 00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: be involved in the show. But what do you think? 662 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's just about the characters 663 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: and that it's it's a workplace comedy. But really it's 664 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 1: a family, right, A family. Yeah, we've we've we've become 665 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: enmeshed in each other's lives. Um, yeah, what was it 666 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: all about for you? Um? We became family over the 667 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 1: nine years. We didn't nobody really knew each other, but 668 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,760 Speaker 1: we all grew up together in a nine year period 669 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: and uh, it was one of the best parts of 670 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: my life. Yeah, uh yeah, Phillis, thank you so much 671 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: for coming in. Thank you for thanking me. I love 672 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:13,240 Speaker 1: you so much. I'm so honored to call myself your friend, 673 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:20,360 Speaker 1: and we share something that will never ever go away. 674 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: I'm exactly. We're hard to heart. Yeah, well, it doesn't 675 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,959 Speaker 1: doesn't get any better than her. Thank you, Phillis. Thank 676 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,479 Speaker 1: you Allison Jones again for joining me, um, and thanks 677 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 1: to all of you once again for listening. Have a 678 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 1: stuppendous week this week. Let's have the best week ever 679 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: and I will see you next time for another installment 680 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: of the Office Deep Dive. The Office Deep Dive is 681 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,319 Speaker 1: hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our 682 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: executive producer Lang Lee. Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer, 683 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,520 Speaker 1: our associate producer is Emily Carr, and our assistant editor 684 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: is Diego Tapia. My main man in the booth is 685 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,359 Speaker 1: Alec Moore. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed by 686 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: my great friend Creed Bratton, and the episode was mixed 687 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: by Seth Olandsky.