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Speaker 1: don't really like it or whatever. And so he counts

424
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: them up and he goes only forty. Now stand up

425
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: those who want my wife and me, and nearly six

426
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,719
Speaker 1: thousand rows to their feet, applauding and chanting, Sirettsy, sirettzy,

427
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: part of our Red Earth, serettsy Dope. What an awesome moment.

428
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 1: I know. I must have felt good for him to

429
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: be like what I tell you. The tribe does not

430
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: care who the wife is. They don't give a fuck.

431
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: Don't We all just want that moment where everyone stands

432
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: at their feet and cheers for us, calls me the

433
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: heart of the red Earth. Yeah, yes, I mean that's

434
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: why I went into the theater. I know, right, someone

435
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: please stand up and just clapped for me once every

436
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: four years, for three nights on one weekend. I think

437
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: it's a good show. Some people clapped a light applause

438
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: and it fed me for hears sated. So Seketty was

439
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: not happy about this loss. But also he was like, okay,

440
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: I lost, Let me step out of the way. And

441
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: he went into voluntary exile and they did totally patch

442
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: things up later. So I think he was gone for

443
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: like two years or something. It was a long time.

444
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: He came back. It was all cool after that. Ultimately

445
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: he was pretty cool. I mean, we talked about how

446
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: he probably had some valid motivation behind his his stance,

447
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: but you know, it seems like the sort of like

448
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 1: secondary person in power, the guardian kind of character in

449
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: these sort of stories is usually like trying to consolidate

450
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: power and take things to themselves and being like, no,

451
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: don't marry the outside everything. You know, it feels various.

452
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: But that was just not what's going on here. It

453
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: Sketty was actually super cool. He was a good regent.

454
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: He worked on building more school rules, he constructed green silos,

455
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: he got water reticulation systems put in, he improved the

456
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: tribes herds of cattle. He even designed like a bunch

457
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: of the reforms that gave the tribal council a place

458
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: in how the tribe was run. So Scatty was a

459
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: cool dude. Yeah, So the reason they were able to

460
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: enter an opinion about this at all was because of him,

461
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: And then it happened to be against him, and he

462
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: was like, well, that's what I asked for, asked exactly.

463
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: A true good leader will put a position in place

464
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: to let other people decide, and when other people decide,

465
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: they'll say, all right, that's what you want them people do,

466
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: as long as what the majority of people want isn't

467
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: like oppressive and shitty like when they tried when they

468
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: did a popular vote for gay marriage, which is dumb.

469
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: He put social issues to a popular vote. They don't

470
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: win because people suck. That's why you have to have

471
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: protections in place. Um. He also famously clashed with British

472
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: colonial authorities over crime and punish meant in Bechuana Land

473
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: because there was this Scottish mechanic living there named Phineas Macintosh.

474
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not entirely sure what he did. One source

475
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: said he deflowered so many virgins that all the dads

476
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: were pissed. Another one said that he got into a

477
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: fight with a guy about a girl that he was

478
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: in love with, and then another said he was drunken,

479
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: disorderly all the time and also deflowering virgins. So anyway,

480
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: whatever it was, the guy was making a real nuisance

481
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: of himself all right and acting out, and everybody was

482
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: over it and they were like, you need to do

483
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: something about this person's behavior. So they took it too.

484
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: Of course, the bomb Watto chief Saketti and he said, okay, well,

485
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: what we do in our tribe and in Betchuana Land

486
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: is we flog you when you act up. So he

487
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: gave him the regular punishment that anybody else would have

488
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: gotten in this scenario. Um, I don't like flogging as

489
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: a punishment personally, but it's not for me to say.

490
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: But the British did not like that. There was their

491
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: colonial authority was a guy named Vice Admiral Evans. Oh,

492
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: this guy looks like a Star Wars villain. In my head,

493
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he's quite at the same helmet and everything, right,

494
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: Like give him that pith helmet from that guy from

495
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: the same mustache, same accent, and the big pants. So

496
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: picture that guy. He found out about this flogging and

497
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: he said, well, by Drove, no native can punish a

498
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: white man. Unacceptable. Somebody get me my riding crop to

499
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: bang against my leg angrily again. So he went. He

500
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 1: was like, basically like black people don't get to tell

501
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: white people what to do. We tell white people what

502
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: to do. So I'm exiling you to Ketty for two months.

503
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: But the tribe got so mad about it that England

504
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: quickly reversed course. King George was like, uh, fucking what

505
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: did you do? No, no, no, no, that's all we meant.

506
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: We'll just kid and he signed in order to be

507
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: like bring them back. And so Evans had to apologize

508
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: to Sketty and be like, yeah, okay, nobody thought this

509
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: guy shouldn't be punished. I just didn't like that you

510
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: were doing it. But it's fine. I guess, sorry, my

511
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: bad or whatever. And I'm sure he didn't like doing

512
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: that at all, but this is kind of a good

513
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: a little story to explain kind of how ship worked

514
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: out day to day, right, So they were in charge

515
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: of law and order. White people may not like it,

516
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: but mostly Britain was like, just let them do their thing.

517
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: It's their country, as they exactly. We're not trying to

518
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: start ship and have their b ship. We don't have

519
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: time for that. And that was a pretty formative moment

520
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: for Ceretti as well. He saw that in the British

521
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: justice system there was justice for the Native that they

522
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: were able to push back on that and they capitulated

523
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: and the white man was the one who had to apologize.

524
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: I think that was a very unusual thing for Seretzi

525
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: to see happen in his country. So he was definitely

526
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: like Britain's cool. I like I like Britain. They're cool

527
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: with us. I'm cool with you. But yeah. That that

528
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: led to Sacchetti stepping down without a fight, realizing he's outvoted.

529
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: But it's time for Seret Say to come home, and

530
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: he's like, you know what, this is cool. After seeing

531
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: that whole interaction with the British, I'm thinking, I can

532
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: bring my wife over and things are going to be great.

533
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: I got the elders were all on board with it,

534
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: and the tribe is cool with it, so Britain should

535
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: totally be cool with it too, right, Why wouldn't Britain

536
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: be cool with this? So Ruth joined him in Bechuana

537
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: land In, and her arrival coincided with the best rainfall

538
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: the nation had seen in years, so the tribe started

539
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 1: calling her the rain Queen. Cool, you come in and

540
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: you're the queen, and you get this awesome nickname in

541
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: media right away, not to mention, Like, I mean, if

542
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: I showed up and they started having great rainfall, part

543
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: of me would be like, maybe I am the rain Queen.

544
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: Like damn, I brought the rains. She brought the rains.

545
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: D Well, she did bring the rains. She got it.

546
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: She probably didn't I bet patterns did, but would be

547
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: funny if she was, Like I made a rain. Another time,

548
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: as Ruth sat in the shade of an acacia tree,

549
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: hundreds of bomb Watto women started to just kind of

550
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: file by her. They had baskets of corn and pails

551
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: of water on their head, and they were just kind

552
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: of around. And then all of a sudden they rushed

553
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: over to Ruth. They're all singing a song. They placed

554
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: the water in the corn at her feet, and they

555
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: tell her you are the mother of us all. And

556
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: apparently Ceretsie could see this happening from the kitchen window,

557
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: and he smiled proudly and then stunned everyone by continuing

558
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: to wash the dinner dishes, a courtesy he had learned

559
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: from white husbands in England. Mackenzie Porter wrote, and I

560
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: feel like there's probably several British wives laughing right now,

561
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: like I wish that my husband had learned that from

562
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: some white husbands in Britain. But whatever, I just realized

563
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: that we that's that's a gender normative role that happens

564
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: in this house because you wash the dishes, yeah, but

565
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: you could do all the cooking. Well, yeah, that's I

566
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: was gonna say it's totally different because I do all

567
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: the cooking and the shopping and the cleaning in the

568
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: picking you up and carrying you to bed. Um, I

569
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: brush your teeth for you. Um, I wash your hair.

570
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: I I walk you around like weekend at Bernie's where

571
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: we go somewhere. I think you're moving my mouth right now.

572
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, you've been catatonic for eight years.

573
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm doing great for catatonice. It bring it out, a

574
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: paycheck and everything. Take that, Bernie, I take the trash out.

575
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: That's true. I hate dating the trash out. Anyway. They

576
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: also started to feel out the white people in the

577
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: area because, again Seretsi was like, these are this is

578
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: the problem over here. There was a hotel there that

579
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: only white people could go in. And in deference to

580
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: the fact that he was the chief, Sirette Say, had

581
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: they had deigned to serve Sirette Say through a window

582
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: a time or two in the past. Wow, what is

583
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: what benevolence? What a concession? My god? Well, you're a king,

584
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: so I guess we'll we could toss a bowl out

585
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: for you. Really, we'll pass a pint through the sill. God,

586
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: they're the worst. Um. So they were kind of testing

587
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: these boundaries a little bit, and so they went together.

588
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: They pull up on the hotel, they walk in together.

589
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: The hotel was showing Frankenstein and the wolf Fan, which

590
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: had just come out recently. The movie the movie. Well,

591
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't think they were showing the actual Frankenstein play

592
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: or something. All Right, I guess that's possibility. I want

593
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: to see the play. Anyway, they're showing Frankenstein in the

594
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: Wolf Man. Ruth and Seretzy come in and they sit

595
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: and watch the movie and then they leave. No big deal, right,

596
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: big deal. The white people fucking miss the movie because

597
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: they were so busy. Oh my god, what a black

598
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: person the person bla person had a movie. N I

599
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: don't know why I'm not keep looking back. Just look

600
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: at them. It's really distracting me from the movie. And

601
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: they're not doing it I'm doing. After they left, one

602
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: white woman said, well, that just about beats everything you

603
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: haven't seen very much. I think you need to get

604
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: out there a little bit more. Everything a black person

605
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: in a movie theater, Well, I've seen it all. Now,

606
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: you've seen it all so far. Another time, they went

607
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: to this recreation club that was for only white people,

608
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: and they didn't try to like participate in any of

609
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: the activities. They just hung out on the field, like

610
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: opposite side of the field from all the white people.

611
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: And the local garage proprietor said, gives you a bit

612
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: of a shock to see them walking around together like that.

613
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: But he's a nice chap. Really, I cannot see that

614
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: the setup is wrong, honestly, I can't cool. Thanks another concession, Yeah,

615
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: and just being like, well, this one's okay, you know,

616
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: like that's that's what it reeks of to me. Yeah,

617
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm a racist piece of shit, But there's one person

618
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: that I saw once that I didn't hate. Okay, So

619
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: you got a problem. So you're a big racist piece

620
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: of ship. Yeah. So the tribe is cool. They are

621
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: totally down with Ruth, and the white people are even

622
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: kind of they're getting there. They're getting there. So Britain

623
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: is cool too, write end of story. You think. So, No,

624
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: Britain is not cool, and we'll find out why right

625
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: after this. All right, welcome back to the show, and

626
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: let's talk about why Britain wasn't cool. You'd think they

627
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: would be. Everybody else was fine with it. People seem

628
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: to be really happy with these two being married, but

629
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: Britain didn't particularly care except for one small problem. Right

630
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: Daniel Milan and his National Party in South Africa had

631
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: instituted apartheid in nineteen Apartheid was a white supremacy function. UH.

632
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: It was a legal way to make sure that South

633
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: Africa was dominated politically, socially and economically by the nation's

634
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: minority white population. This was a type of segregation. Everything

635
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: from social circles and public facilities, employment, housing, this was

636
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: all segregated on racial lines. Segregation is nothing new, but

637
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: apartheid was particularly horrible. UH just millions of people forcibly

638
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: ripped out of their homes and made to leave, and

639
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: then those homes were sold at a fraction of their value,

640
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: plunging the non white population into poverty, and more than

641
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the land was set aside and only

642
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: available for white people to buy. Non whites needed special

643
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: permits to be in certain parts of the country. Black

644
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: people who tried to defy any of these laws could

645
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: be fined, imprisoned, or even whipped, and one of the

646
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: first laws they passed in South Africa was marriage prohibition,

647
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: which completely outlawed interracial marriage. So you think, well, that's

648
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: South Africa, right, What does this have to do with

649
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: Beshawana Land, Well, they're the neighboring country. And when they're

650
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: trying to float this idea that they'd have a mixed

651
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: race ruling couple, South Africa did not like that ship.

652
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: Daniel called it now is not no, that's my South

653
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: African now siating. How do they talk South Africa such

654
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: a difficult accent to pin down, because I mean, like,

655
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: I know that Leo did a really bad one, and

656
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: from what I've heard, I didn't see it anyway. Daniel

657
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: called it nauseating and disgusting. You're nauseating and disgusting, piece

658
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: of shit. That's what I would have said. I hope,

659
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: I hope that's what I would have said. What they're

660
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: really worried about is that right after passing this law,

661
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: they couldn't have an interracial royal couple living right across

662
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: the border and making them look like fucking idiots and

663
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: making their majority black population, you know, even more angry

664
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: about apartheid by looking, you know, right right up north

665
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: and being like, how come we're segregated and split and

666
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: being forced out of our homes? But right there, we're

667
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: seeing a black ruler marry a white Londoners. So England sees,

668
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: you know, what's happening in South Africa with them getting

669
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: kind of rabble roused about it, and South Africa actually

670
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: started putting a lot of pressure on Britain to tell

671
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: Sarette Say to abdicate his throne. South Africa also banned

672
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: Sirrette Say and Ruth from coming into the area. And

673
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: this was a big problem because the administrative capital for

674
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: bet Juana Land was in a city called MafA King

675
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: which was located in South Africa. Now might be a

676
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: surprise to you that brit And was ready to appease

677
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: in apartheid government because most people were not into apartheid.

678
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: They were like, this is bullshit. But Britain was ready

679
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: to appease because of uranium. Fucking uranium. It's remember, okay,

680
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: So the World War two pretty much just ended a

681
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Britain is broke as fuck after

682
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: the war, and of course they want to make an

683
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: atomic bombs. They can be on even keel with the Americans,

684
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: just like every other major power with everyone was looking

685
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: to make their own atomic bomb after we dropped our two.

686
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: But uranium is not available everywhere. Canada had uranium, but

687
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: it was more expensive than South African uranium. Why well,

688
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. Because Canadian miners were paid. They

689
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: were paid well, and so they're uranium was more expensive.

690
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: South African uranium miners were black, so they were paid

691
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: like shit, and so the uranium was cheaper. And tell

692
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: me your tell me. A bunch of white people got

693
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: cheap labor out of black people, exploited them for it,

694
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: took the profits and didn't pass it on to their labor.

695
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: I know it's unusual. They were a product of their time, yeah,

696
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: and of current time and of all time all and

697
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: South Africa made it very clear to England that if

698
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: they wanted to keep purchasing my uranium, you better stop

699
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: this marriage, or at least keep this couple far away

700
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: from Africa. I don't need them here. We don't need

701
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: to be dealing with that. So in nifty, the British

702
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: government asked serett Se to come on back to London

703
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: for chat old boy, and Ruth is like, don't go.

704
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: She said she had a premonition that they would keep

705
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: him there. But Sarettse was like, I think it's smart

706
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: to go see what they want. I mean there, we're

707
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: a protectorate. We have to care about their opinion. I'm

708
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: ready to take on my duties again and I need

709
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: their support. So he goes. He flies back to London.

710
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: She's like, this couldn't be a zoom call. So he

711
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: flies back to London. Ruth did not join him because

712
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: she was pregnant at the time with their first child.

713
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: She wanted to make sure it was born on Bechuana

714
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: land soil, because that is how King's inherited. So she's like,

715
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: if it's a if it's a boy, it has to

716
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: be born here or else. It might be a whole

717
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: rigamarole to you know, get him to take over. But

718
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: she was very worried about sarette se leaving and she

719
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: was right to worry. Written informed Serette say that they

720
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: had conducted a governmental inquire and found that he wasn't

721
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: suited to rule be ch Wana Land. They asked him

722
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: to abdicate. Side note this governmental inquiry report was suppressed

723
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: for thirty years. They wouldn't let anybody see it. When

724
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: it finally came out, it said that sarettes was eminently

725
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: suitable to rule Wana Land, but for his unfortunate marriage

726
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: which may cause strife with apartheid governments. And so yeah,

727
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 1: London was like embarrassed by that ship because it wasn't

728
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: a very good reason to let a guy not marry someone.

729
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: I just do his own thing. It's a kind of

730
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: thing where they knew it was dumb. That's why they

731
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: suppressed it for thirty years exactly. Don't tell him, just

732
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: tell him that it's a bad We don't think you

733
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: should do it anymore. Don't tell him why. Yeah, it's

734
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of a cover up here with this

735
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: governmental inquiry. And Sirett says, like, hey, abdication is not

736
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: a thing in the Bamangwanto tribe. The bloodline is the bloodline.

737
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: It's inalienable. If I'm king, because I was born to

738
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: be king, I'm the king. You don't get to just

739
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: say well, I don't want to be king anymore. Somebody

740
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: else do it. We don't do that here. I don't

741
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: know how y'all do things up in London where apparently

742
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: a guy just like, oh, I want to marry a

743
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: divoce say okay, I guess I just won't be king anymore.

744
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: We don't do that. And so London is like, okay, well,

745
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: if you're not going to abdicate, then you're going to

746
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: have to stay here in England and exile. Oh, Siretsea

747
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: had to send Ruth a telegram It said, tribe and

748
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: myself tricked by British government stop and banned from the

749
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 1: whole protectorate Stop love seretse, which I talk about conciseness. Hey,

750
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: you gotta paid by the word, I think, right. So

751
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: Ruth got that telegram and obviously that means she's going

752
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: back to London too, So she comes and joins him

753
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: with their daughter, Jacqueline, who was born in bechuana Land

754
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: and they lived in Croydon on sixty pounds a week

755
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: from the British government and sixty pounds in his words

756
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: checking pounds converter. Oh, I had it set to deutsch

757
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: Mark's hang on two thousand one nine pounds today and

758
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: that's about a little under three thousand dollars today a week.

759
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: Most pretty good. It's not bad. So they you know,

760
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: they weren't trying to beat you because they were just

761
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: being political about it, which is so annoying. It's like

762
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: almost worse. It's not really worse, but it's just like oh,

763
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: this just seems like such a petty nonsense, you know

764
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: that you would just be even matter that. It's like,

765
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: this doesn't even matter, just let me do what I want. Well,

766
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: the tribe was piste. They were royally pissed about this.

767
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: More than two thousand of the tribe gathered to hear

768
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: a woman named Rents Shabo speak out against Serettsa and

769
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: Ruth's exile. And this is apparently one of the first

770
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: times that women had a voice in the tribe like this,

771
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: and she said, since serette Se went away, even the

772
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: goats cry all night, we are a dead people. So again,

773
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: this bloodline thing mattered a lot to them, and that,

774
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: you know, I think they probably didn't like very much

775
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: the British coming in and telling him who got to

776
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: rule them and stuff. Um, So they're just like real

777
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: mad about that. They came under the authority at that

778
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: point of the local commissioner from the UK, and they

779
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: rioted so touch that the local native police had trouble

780
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: restoring order. So the tribe is angry, and also British

781
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: people were angry. British public opinion was very against this

782
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: because they're like, interracial marriage is not illegal here it's

783
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: not illegal there. Who the funk cares what South Africa

784
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: cares wants? And why are you capitulating to these racist dicks? Um?

785
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: We should not. We we're England with the Empire of England,

786
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: like we should be telling them what to do? Right?

787
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: Why are we letting them us? Aren't around? Right, Hobbs?

788
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: You want to go all right? Hobbes is making a move.

789
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: Hobbs has decided he's no longer interested in being in

790
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Well, you have to step back, And then

791
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: he opened the door. He's having a hard time figuring

792
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: out the mechanics of the door as things are crowded,

793
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: and he goes and sad that we're not following him. Sorry, Bud,

794
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: we'll be at in a minute. Boy, I hate closing

795
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 1: the door. SA anyway, go ahead. Well Sores wasn't quiet

796
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: about it either. Good for him. He's not about to

797
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: take this and stride. He gave a speech to eight

798
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: hundred students where he said, I have been banished because

799
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: I dared to love and accept the love of a

800
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: white woman. And we were talking about this and that

801
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: accepted the love is a really big part of it.

802
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: Because it wasn't so much that he that a black

803
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: man loved a white woman. The racism really comes in,

804
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: especially heavily in that he accepted love from her and

805
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: that he didn't know his place is sort of what

806
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: I think the South Africans were thinking. I just thought

807
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: it was a really important point because you know, we're

808
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: we're American obviously, so we're coming at this from an

809
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: American point of view, and here we don't have a

810
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: great history obviously, and if you think about interracial stuff,

811
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: I think that's where And also, you know, Ruth is

812
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: experiencing a lot of blowback, more than Seretsey did, even

813
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: in London, and it's it's almost worse that she's this

814
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: race trader than that he is black at all. Do

815
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I don't know if I'm

816
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: putting that very well, because again, white people are so sensitive, right,

817
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: it's very gross and sucked up. And after he gave

818
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: that speech and left the stage, he was shaking with grief,

819
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: and the crowd was pissed and they got up and

820
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: they yelled shame so loud that it shook the rafters,

821
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: and they were shame on the on the British government, obviously,

822
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: not on serets, but on on this decision happening at all,

823
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: I wish they had a bell. They all had a

824
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: bell in their hand ding shame, shame, shame, and now

825
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: they're all on ted Lasso. Yeah side note, Yeah, that's

826
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: Hannah Wattingham from ted Lasso is the shame Sceptive from

827
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones. Blew my mind when we found that out.

828
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: That's like, what what a totally because she's so hot

829
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: and ted Lasso and as the shame Scepta, she looked

830
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: like her so much, even though I will say I

831
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: remember thinking shame stept does kind of and then of

832
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: course I fell in love with Rebecca on Lasso and

833
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: then found out that the same person. I'm like, yes,

834
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: she's amazing, she's got pipes. Anyway, enough about a white

835
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: British woman. Let's get back to a different white British

836
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: one woman. But first we will take a quick break

837
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: and hear these fine words from our sponsors. Okay, welcome

838
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: back to the show. Where were we? Some people thought

839
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: Sirettes had married Ruth as a direct challenge to South

840
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: African policies, but Sirett se denied that. He told mckensey porter,

841
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: nor did I marry her to test the integrity of

842
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: British colonial policy. I married her for love. I am

843
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: entitled to the consort of my choice no less than

844
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: I am entitled to the chieftainship of the bamong watto.

845
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: I shall never give up one for the other. Amen, brother,

846
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: you totally are deserve the freedom to choose your bride

847
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: and to go take your normal place in the freaking

848
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: scheme of things. But none of that swathed the government unfortunately,

849
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: um CERETSI and Ruth were banished for five years under

850
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: the Labor government of clem Atlee, which Winston Churchill called

851
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: a disreputable transaction. But interject here, just if y'all heard

852
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: our Winston and Clementine Churchill episode recently, which is a

853
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: very cool episode about this couple who fell in love

854
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: and their love helped England and the Allies fight off

855
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: the Nazis, and we're all very glad that that happened,

856
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: of course, um, but we also mentioned that Winston Churchill

857
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: did some pretty ship things, especially when it came to

858
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: British colonialism and just being like kind of fucking racist.

859
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: And despite him challenging the Labor government's decision to banish

860
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: them for five years. When Winston himself was elected Prime

861
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: Minister the second time in ninety one, he extended their

862
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: exile to a lifetime band He said their return would

863
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: be a danger to public order. Man, fuck you Winston's church.

864
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: So he just was saying some ship to make clem

865
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: Atlee look like an idiot at the time, and then

866
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: when he had the opportunity to change it, he was like, no,

867
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: it's still politically expedient to do what just exactly what,

868
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: Clem did you know what I mean? You mean you're

869
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: telling me that the left side of the political spectrum

870
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: would do something and the right would condemn it, and

871
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: then when the right gained power, they would do the

872
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: exact same goddamn thing. The only thing that's wrapped my

873
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: brain around that. The only thing that's missing is that

874
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: clem Atlee or the Labor government didn't come out and say, well,

875
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: what a messed up thing to do? How could you

876
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: exile someone? That's the only thing mistic from this little equation.

877
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: And this caused even more riots and Shiwana land right

878
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: when the tribe was ordered by the British Commissioner to

879
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: replace siretts, they refused, like guess not how we do

880
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: things down here. We've done told you it's bloodline, bro

881
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: we don't just pick some rando to do this. So

882
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: Siretti became very depressed. He had a lot of bouts

883
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: of depression um during his exile. Ruth told McKenzie Porter.

884
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Porter keeps coming up in this because Ruth and

885
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: Sirette say didn't talk to a lot of journalists, big

886
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: surprise journalists were dicks about this story. And Ruth really,

887
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: Ruth particularly really hated it when British governments like incorrectly

888
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: described the African nation of Bashiwana land. They kept like

889
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: calling it either a jungle or like a savannah, and

890
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: She's like, it's a desert, Like it's totally you're wrong.

891
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: You just don't know anything about Africa. And so she

892
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: didn't talk to a lot of reporters. Mckensey Porter was

893
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: like the only person that she ever really talked to.

894
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: So there's a really good this article from nineteen fifty

895
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: two is a really good, pretty in depth die into

896
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: their story at the time. And so she told mackenzie,

897
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes Sirritsey would just sit in front of

898
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: the fire brooding. Much as I love him more than

899
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: the day we were married. I cannot move him. When

900
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: he gets into one of his black moods, there's absolutely

901
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: nothing that will snap him out of it. In nineteen

902
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: fifty six, Sirretts and Ruth were allowed to return to Bechuanaland,

903
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: but on condition only as private citizens. They were like,

904
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: you can't go back and retake your throne, right. And

905
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: this might be because the tribe sent Queen Elizabeth the

906
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: second a telegram asking for them to be restored, or

907
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: it might be because Winston Churchill realized that it was

908
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: basically a diplomatic necessity to kind of stick it to

909
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: South Africa in some type of way. He's just like,

910
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: you know what, this will piss him off, but it's

911
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: not going to piss him off so much that they'll

912
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: stop telling me this uranium right exactly. Probably all timidly.

913
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: It was a combination of those two things, and Serette

914
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: had to renounce his claims to the throne, and he

915
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: decided to go and go back to his roots, become

916
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: a cattle rancher for a little while, but it wasn't

917
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: very successful. There wasn't much money in it. So he

918
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: got involved in local politics and he was elected to

919
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: the Tribal Council as a secretary in nineteen fifty seven.

920
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: It must be weird to go from chief to secretary,

921
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: Like yeah, but you got to imagine he probably had

922
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: a lot of pull, probably had more influence typical secretary

923
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: and the tribal council. He was like, how often do

924
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: you think he'd dropped that, Like, well, when I was king,

925
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, this is how we did it. And they're like,

926
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: oh god, he's yeah, we we know, Like no, Sirett say,

927
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: we're king, We're all we miss it a lot. But

928
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: but in nineteen sixty one, the British made him an

929
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: Officer of the Order of the British Empire, which was

930
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: a commendation they gave out. It was in recognition of

931
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: his service as a tribal secretary. But then in nineteen

932
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: sixty Prime Minister Harold Macmillan made his famous Wind of

933
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: Change speech in Cape Town, South Africa, which is again

934
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: a very famous speech where he was basically telling South

935
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: Africa specifically, but also the rest of the world that

936
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: his government had no intention of blocking the independence of

937
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: African nations. He was like, you know what, we colonize

938
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: this whole place and now they want to rule themselves

939
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: and it's happening. There's nothing we can do about it.

940
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: We why why are we standing in the way. Let's

941
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: just get onto the modern age here, and you need

942
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: to come with us South Africa and now you don't

943
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: want to, but you need to. And so pretty much

944
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: every African nation that had been colonized or occupied or

945
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: become a territory or protectorate or whatever little word that

946
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: was used for their specific situation, yeah, they were all like,

947
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: oh great, let's yeah, let's get on that. I would

948
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: I yes, I would like very much to rule myself

949
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: and not have to free and balance grape to you

950
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: guys who don't even fucking live here. And important to note,

951
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: settled colonies had to actually engage an armed conflict with

952
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: their settlers frequently in some of these African nations. However,

953
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: since Bechuana Land was a protectorate, they had a different

954
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: situation going on with with Britain, and they were able

955
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: to do it a totally different way, um much more peacefully,

956
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: and that was by creating political parties and essentially building

957
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: their politics. Creating parties, you know something London can get behind.

958
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: They're like, I get this yes parties, and the first

959
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: big political party to agitate for independence was called the

960
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: Bechuana Land People's Party or the b p P, and

961
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: they wanted a government with no social, tribal, racial, religious,

962
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: ethnic or language discrimination. They wanted one man, one vote elections,

963
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: and they wanted immediate independence from Britain. All in on this,

964
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: except for the immediate dependence that felt kind of quick.

965
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: He thought they needed sort of an orderly transition, uh

966
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: and like we would set a timeline be able to

967
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: write a constitution. You know, let's get our ducks in

968
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: a row before we just cut off, you know, the

969
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: people who have been kind of handling that aspect of

970
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: our government. And he was a little worried about sort

971
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: of how radical the BPP was, just kind of their

972
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: extremeness in some of their views. So he formed the

973
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: Best Chowana Land Democratic Party or the b DP. In

974
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: it was Seretsea and quit Maazir, who was a former

975
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: journalist and a farmer. They wrote the constitution together and

976
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: they launched the party in nineteen sixty two. Serette was

977
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: the president of the party and Mazir was the secretary,

978
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: and they had a former trade unionist as their vice president,

979
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: and they ran a united and well organized party and

980
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: that enabled them to take advantage of all the splits

981
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: that were within the b p P and they then

982
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: became the dominating political faction. Yeah, it's a lot of

983
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: infighting in the BPP about who would be in charge

984
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. They did not have

985
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,959
Speaker 1: that problem, probably partly to your point about the fact

986
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: that Seretse had a bloodline. So I think it was

987
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: probably pretty easy for them. Well, obviously you're the you're

988
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: the president of the party, you should be in charge,

989
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: whereas the BPP did not have that. Everybody was very

990
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: equal and so they were like, well, why should you

991
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: be heady? So yeah, I think that probably was a

992
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: lot of weight for that. He started negotiating with the

993
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 1: local regional commissioner and in nineteen sixty five at Hwana

994
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: Land held their first elections, Seretse's party dominated. They won

995
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: twenty eight out of the thirty one seats in the

996
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: new legislature and Seretse became the Prime minister and the

997
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: BPP won the other three by the way, so they

998
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: were the opposition party and under his leadership as Prime Minister,

999
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: they were granted full independence in nineteen sixty six and

1000
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: he was elected the first president of Botswana. So he

1001
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: kind of did get his thrown back in a way,

1002
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: in fact more because he would have just been the

1003
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: chief of the Bamangwato tribe specifically, and now he's in

1004
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: charge of the whole place. So wayna go, Sarett s

1005
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: way to come back strong. And this is when they

1006
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: chose the name Botswana from Beshawana Land and the British

1007
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: Empire also made him a knight, so he was Sir

1008
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: Seretse Kamma. Now at the time that he was elected,

1009
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: Botswana was a world's third poorest country in the w world.

1010
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: Out of all the countries, there's the poorest, the second poorest,

1011
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: and then Botswana. Uh, they had minimal infrastructure. They only

1012
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: had seven and a half miles of paved road, Very

1013
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: few citizens had any kind of formal education. Um they

1014
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: only had twenty two university graduates and a hundred secondary

1015
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: school graduates and the entire population which was something like

1016
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: half a million people or more. Um So Sarre had

1017
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: his work cut out for him to bring Botswana into

1018
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: a modern age and make it truly independent it because

1019
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, they couldn't really pay for ship themselves and

1020
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: how any money. So they still need a lot of

1021
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: help from Britain that you know. But fortunately Sti is

1022
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: a smart guy and he knew the first thing that

1023
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: needed to be worked on was the economy. They needed

1024
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: revenue streams up in Botswana, so he concentrated a lot

1025
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: of his effort on exports that they already had going on,

1026
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: like beef, copper, and diamonds. And I think this is

1027
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: kind of a funny point here. When it was a protectorate,

1028
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: the Brits kind of neglected Betchuana land because they were like,

1029
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: it's not a productive country. Too bad for them, because

1030
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven enormous diamond deposits were discovered, and

1031
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: now Botswana has one of the largest diamond mines in

1032
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: the world and the second most producing diamond mine. So

1033
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: if they had just looked around a little bit, there

1034
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: would be no Botswana, probably because they never would have

1035
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: given it up. Yeah, it's like I'm gonna sell this

1036
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 1: old farm land, I used it no more, the grass

1037
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: sol dead, and sell it off to somebody in their life. Holley,

1038
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: what's this black stuff coming out of the ground. I

1039
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: was just trying to dig a well and all this

1040
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: sludgy stuff came up. Oh honey, work trillionaires, I should

1041
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: run for presidents. And that's actually De Beers Jewelers came

1042
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: in to Botswana in nineteen one and they established a

1043
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: fifty fifty deal with the government to open a mine there. Um.

1044
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: So all that really helped seret grow the economy of Botswana.

1045
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: And of course, like now at least, I mean we

1046
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: we can talk in recent years that the many issues

1047
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: with diamond mines and the labor being done there. It's dangerous,

1048
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: it's deadly, and it's paid for ship it's practically slave labor. Uh,

1049
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: it's really horrible. And you know, in recent years that's

1050
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: been turning around, you know, to the it where it's

1051
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: even nice to see that Two Beers has been struggling

1052
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: in recent years. But Botswana has been one of the nations,

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Speaker 1: one of the world's leading diamond producers, and it has

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Speaker 1: come under fire for bad conditions. I also read that

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Speaker 1: by fifty their diamond minds are going to run dry.

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Speaker 1: So Botswana is currently transitioning out of diamonds um trying

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Speaker 1: to find other sources of revenue. But we don't know

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Speaker 1: what those conditions as far as we've been able to

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Speaker 1: find in a cursory glance, what those conditions were like

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Speaker 1: diamond minds, I think they're the usual shit conditions because

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Speaker 1: minds are in rural areas. They employ poor people who

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Speaker 1: are desperate enough to do this incredibly difficult and dangerous work.

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Speaker 1: UM normally marginalized of course populations. It's no different in

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Speaker 1: Botswana than it is anywhere. UM. In that way, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's particularly bad, like like the blood diamondscere,

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Speaker 1: like Leo's accent blood diamond. It's not as bad as

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Speaker 1: Leo's accent blood diamond. Um, as far as I know. Again,

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Speaker 1: I I looked up you know, humans rights violations and

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Speaker 1: these minds and stuff, and I mainly got an overview

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Speaker 1: of diamond minds in general, nothing particularly about Botswana's minds.

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Speaker 1: But even back in the sixties, surettes they knew that

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Speaker 1: minerals were not the only thing. They couldn't be the

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Speaker 1: only thing, you know. He was like, if you rely

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Speaker 1: on one thing, you're playing yourself. So even then he

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01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: was starting to think about, Okay, we need to we

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Speaker 1: need a tourism industry, we need foreign investment. So he

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01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: was already you know he was thinking light years ahead,

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Speaker 1: really um, and so I'm glad to hear that they're

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Speaker 1: transitioning away from diamonds and thinking ahead like suretts they

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01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: would want them to. Serettes also knew that corruption was

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Speaker 1: going to be a huge problem in developing African nations,

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Speaker 1: and he took a lot of measures to prevent it.

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01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: He promised low and stable tax rates for mining companies.

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Speaker 1: He liberalized trade, He increased personal freedoms. He upheld liberal

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Speaker 1: democracy and non racism. He tried to create a small

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Speaker 1: and efficient public service bureaucracy that was designed to hire

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Speaker 1: workers on merit right. He encouraged mining companies to look

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Speaker 1: for other precious minerals, which led to the discovery of

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Speaker 1: more copper and nickel and coal and all these, like

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01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: you said, other streams of revenue that came in, so

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01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: they weren't just relying on one. He also had the

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01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: government subsidized the cattle industry, so the government handled fencing,

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Speaker 1: veterinary services, and vaccinations, and they also set the prices

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Speaker 1: for the beef in the marketplace, and thanks to Ceretzi's

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01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: negotiations with Europe, they got a much higher price for

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Speaker 1: their beef than other places did, so he was savvy.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's good Botswana beef. You need that good old

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01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: bus wanna be So between nineteen sixty and nine eighty,

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Speaker 1: Botswana had the fastest growing economy in the world and

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01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: by the mid nineteen seventies they had a budget surplus

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01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: and they used the money to invest in infrastructure, healthcare

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Speaker 1: and education. Uh He also launched a fundraising campaign to

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01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: build Botswana's first university, which opened in nineteen eighty two,

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01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: and his government spent very little on defense because he

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01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: really wanted to build up this infrastructure in the economy.

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01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: That's where his focus was. But Siretti played major roles

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Speaker 1: in ending the civil war in Rhodesia and the resulting

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01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: creation and independence of Zimbabwe, and Botswana also became an

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01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: important center for anti apartheid activity. They took in a

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Speaker 1: lot of activists fleeing from countries like Mozambique, Angola, Zimbabwe,

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01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: Namibia and South Africa until apartheid finally ended in nineteen nine.

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Speaker 1: That ship lasted a long time, y'all. So under his leadership,

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Speaker 1: Botswana became one of the most prosperous and stable nations

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Speaker 1: in the continent, and he was easily elected to three

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Speaker 1: more terms, so he ruled the nation from nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: five until nineteen eighty. And it's not like Ruth was

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01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: just sitting around herself watching this all go down. She

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01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: was a highly involved and dive first lady. She also

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01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: had three more children. They had together, Ian who was

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Speaker 1: born in England in ninety three, and then the twins

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Speaker 1: Anthony and Sacchetti in which is nice they named they name?

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Speaker 1: It was nice. Yeah, it was like they must have

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01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: patched it up pretty good if they named their kid

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Speaker 1: after him. Ruth also had patched things up with her

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01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: parents a while back, and they came and they visited

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Speaker 1: the commas off in Botswana, which is great. She became

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Speaker 1: known as Lady Kay the Rain, Lady Kay the Rain Queen.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, right, there's a YouTube star with that

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01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: name right now, Lady Kay the Rain. And in nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy nine, Set won his third term as president, but

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01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: he did pass away in nineteen eighty. It was pancreatic cancer.

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01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: He was fifty nine years old. He died in his

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01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: wife's arms at the State House in the new capital

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01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: of Botswana, Gaberone. His vice president, took over as president

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01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: and was re elected in his own right in nine

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: teen eight four. Seretse's political party continues to dominate politics

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01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: there today. We'll say that I have read that they're

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01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: getting increasingly authoritarian. So I'm not sure of the current

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01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: politics of Botswana, but cursory glance suggested that maybe it's

1140
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: not great, but it's a good thing to see too

1141
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: that the opposition party there is gaining more and more

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01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: seats throughout the years, because as when Seretse was alive,

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01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: it was the BDP period, like they were always majority

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: as far as I can remember, Um, but now it's

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01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: getting a little more even. It's getting there. And two

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01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: of his sons, Ian and Sacchetti both became prominent politicians.

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01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: Ian was elected President of Botswana in two thousand eight

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Speaker 1: and again after Siretse died. Um Ruth lived on a

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Speaker 1: big farm. She dedicated her time to her children and

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Speaker 1: grandchildren as well as charitable work. She became the president

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01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: of the country's Red Cross and a lot of people

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01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: thought that she would go back to London after he died,

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01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: but they didn't know about Ruth. I guess because as

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01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: she said, I am completely happy here and I have

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01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: no desire to go anywhere else. I've lived here for

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01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: more than half my life and my children are here.

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01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: When I came to this country, I became a Matswana, which,

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01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: by the way, is the singular version of a person

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01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: from Botswana. So plural is Swanna or Batswana, singular is Matswana.

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Speaker 1: Ruth herself died of throat cancer in two thousand two

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Speaker 1: at seventy eight years old, and she is buried in

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01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: Botswana next to her husband. A movie came out about

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01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: them in two thousand and sixteen, and we haven't seen it,

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01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: but it's called A United Kingdom. Is played by David O.

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Speaker 1: Yellow Oh and Ruth was played by Rosamond Pike. Pretty good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we assume, I don't know, I would seen it. No,

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01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: but that's a good actress anyway, and could have been

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Speaker 1: could have been somebody lamer Uh. Well that's a beautiful story. Yeah.

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01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, literally changed the map of of Africa because

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Speaker 1: he into Mary Oh, a white lady, changed the world.

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01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: And again a great story about two people who really

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Speaker 1: loved each other. Who's who they themselves, you know, didn't

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01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: opt to do anything outrageous or world changing, but just

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01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: the circumstances that their relationship existed in the two people

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01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: loved each other and that changed everything. And that's such

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01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: a cool thing to kind of see over and over

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Speaker 1: again in this show. For all the John Lorraino Bobbitt's,

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01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: for all the you know, Steve Martin's swindle in the

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01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: Dating Games, for all the uh you know, for all

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Speaker 1: the wacky, ridiculous stories about absurd people doing dumb things,

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01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: We've told so many stories about two people who just

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01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: loved each other and it changed the world, you know,

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01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: or at least a community. It does something. It has

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01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: a resounding impact, the power of love. Somebody ought to

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01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: write a song about that. Who could put it into

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01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: put it into words? Only the greatest. Hey, speaking of

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Speaker 1: Steve Martin, we have a little tiny update about Steve

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01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: Martin and the Dating Game episode that we did, if

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01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: anyone remembers, we talked about one of the contestants was

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Speaker 1: named Rodney Alcola. He was a serial killer and uh

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01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: we talked about him presenting his lady with a dozen

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Speaker 1: red flags. Um, well, he just died today. As where

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Speaker 1: the day that we're recording list anyway, not the day

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Speaker 1: that you're hearing it. He died on Saturday, June awaiting

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Speaker 1: execution for one of his murders. Yeah, I sentence you

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Speaker 1: to death by time. Yeah, which I've said to you.

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Speaker 1: I've always tell I always tell Eli, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: kill you one day from old age, I'm gonna it's

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Speaker 1: a little closer. Well. Um, I'm super excited to bring

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Speaker 1: this story to you all. I hope you enjoyed it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know ship about Botswana. Um, I know very

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01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: little about Africa as a whole, especially the different nations

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Speaker 1: and how they had to get out of the colonial

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01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,560
Speaker 1: settlements and all that stuff. Like, I just knew that

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of chaos in in Africa, and

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Speaker 1: that was like it that I knew. So it was

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Speaker 1: really cool to really take a dive into one of

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Speaker 1: these countries and and get more context. Really, we should

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01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: all know more about the non Western world than we do. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I hope we brought some some education to you

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Speaker 1: all today and some interest in this. I've definitely am

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01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: looking forward to diving into more of this kind of

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Speaker 1: story in this history. Yeah, somebody sent me a good

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Speaker 1: couple from like Djibouti or something. Yeah, we have been

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01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: trying to dig up more stories from other continents and

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Speaker 1: we're finding some cool stuff. Well, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: tuning in, everybody, and we're happy to have you. You

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Speaker 1: can always find us on the social media Twitter and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram as well. Yeah, and there's lots

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Speaker 1: of fun memes that we share and stuff, so you

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