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Speaker 1: Front office, unfiltered resident GM. Jim Bowden is here with

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Speaker 1: the Dodger blue sweatshirt, JB.

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Speaker 2: Happy.

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Speaker 1: What do you call it? Because you say this is

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Speaker 1: this is a big day?

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Speaker 3: Happy?

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Speaker 2: What is it? Postseason? This is it? Let's go the postseason,

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Speaker 2: after the postseason, the off season, off season of the

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Speaker 2: opening day of the.

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Speaker 1: Opening day of the off season. Yes, happy opening day

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Speaker 1: to you. This is a time to shine. So so

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Speaker 1: we're going to get to the manager carousel and we're

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Speaker 1: also going to do the free agents in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with this. You're wearing the Dodger

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Speaker 1: blue sweatshirt. Dodgers win. You covered a lot of the postseason.

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Speaker 1: What can other teams and front offices learn from the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers aside from the money spending or if you want

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Speaker 1: to include that, they do some other things well too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think when you have an owner that commits

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Speaker 2: the right money, the dollars that it takes to win,

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Speaker 2: and then you have a front office that spends it correctly.

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Speaker 2: And it's when I say spend it correctly, I'm not

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Speaker 2: just talking about building a team that has four number

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Speaker 2: one starters. I'm not talking about just a team that's

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Speaker 2: building with three future Hall of Famers in showy Otani

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Speaker 2: and Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman and perhaps even Will

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Speaker 2: Smith someday.

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Speaker 3: Who knows.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to keep watching. But it's an organization that

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Speaker 2: spends a lot of time and effort on making sure

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Speaker 2: they get the right human beings in the clubhouse, not

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Speaker 2: just the players, but the players with talent that are

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Speaker 2: also elite human beings. They get that. They spend a

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Speaker 2: lot of money on research and development. They spend a

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Speaker 2: lot of money on technology. They spend a lot of

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Speaker 2: time and effort providing the players the best information they

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Speaker 2: possibly can to help them be the best they could be.

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Speaker 2: And when you talk to players, and when I'm on

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Speaker 2: the field at Dodger Stadium, I'm asking players, you know

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Speaker 2: what's different, you know, playing for the Dodgers than your

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Speaker 2: previous team. I love hearing the smiles, and I love

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Speaker 2: hearing about how much effort and money is invested in

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Speaker 2: time in helping each player be the best they can be.

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Speaker 2: And the Dodgers of the model organization. This has been

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Speaker 2: great for baseball. I tell everybody, we'd all love to

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Speaker 2: be the GM or the manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: They put together the best team. They invest the money,

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Speaker 2: and nobody should be upset. They play within the rules,

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Speaker 2: and they're first class organization from top to bottom. That's

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Speaker 2: just the facts, that's just the truth. And they treat

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Speaker 2: everybody great. So I think we can learn. Everyone can

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Speaker 2: learn from that.

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Speaker 4: They have a bunch of good people in that organization too, Jim,

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Speaker 4: I mean players, So I mean Dave Roberts and Freddie

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Speaker 4: Freeman and Show Hey and Mooki, and they're good people too.

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Speaker 3: So listen. As much as you want to.

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Speaker 4: People want to hate them because they're good, but don't

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Speaker 4: hate them because if you don't know them, you don't

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Speaker 4: you can't. It's hard to It's hard to hate those

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Speaker 4: people once you get to meet them and talk to them.

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Speaker 4: So I agree with what you said. Now now I know,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you heard what we were talking about

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Speaker 4: before you came on about the Rocky situations. So I

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Speaker 4: want to go to the Rockies of what's going on there.

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Speaker 4: They came they seemed like they were down to two

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Speaker 4: finalists for their front office opening and they're like, no,

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Speaker 4: we're moving on from them.

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Speaker 3: What the hell is going on in Colorado?

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Speaker 4: Can you explain what is happening, because no one knows

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Speaker 4: what No one knows what's going on there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know for sure what's going on, but

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that any executive that's going to

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Speaker 2: consider that job is going to need a commitment long

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Speaker 2: term because it's gonna take at least seven years to

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Speaker 2: make that franchise competitive. They're in a division where there's

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Speaker 2: four other teams that are built for the next five

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Speaker 2: years that are gonna be playoff contending teams, and the Rockies.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna take a long time. The other thing about

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Speaker 2: the Rockies like an expansion team, right, they haven't spent

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Speaker 2: any money on the analytics, with technology. They're so far

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Speaker 2: behind every other team in that division that the person

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Speaker 2: going in there's got a lot of work to do

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Speaker 2: and a lot of revamping, and they're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: deal with a lot of losing over the next several years.

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Speaker 2: So you know, are you gonna pay someone enough and

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Speaker 2: are you're gonna give them a long enough term contract

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Speaker 2: for them to take it. I've said this before. If

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Speaker 2: I'm the Rockies, there's only two people on planet Earth

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Speaker 2: that I would want to hire to run that team.

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Speaker 2: Number one would be THEO Epstein, and I would give

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Speaker 2: him ownership of the team, and I would give them

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Speaker 2: a checkbook and say, go have fund you a full

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Speaker 2: rang to make all the decisions. I think if you

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Speaker 2: did that, THEO would turn that team as quick as

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Speaker 2: possible into a team that was relevant again. The other

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Speaker 2: guy would be Howie Roseman of the Philadelphia Eagles, who

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Speaker 2: I think is the best GM in sports period. I

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Speaker 2: would bet that he'd be able to come over to baseball,

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Speaker 2: hire the right baseball people around him, and he'd be

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Speaker 2: able to find a way to turn that franchise around.

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Speaker 2: But this hire is extremely important for their future, and

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Speaker 2: they have dug themselves such a hole that the best

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Speaker 2: move that could possibly happen to them is for Commissioner

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Speaker 2: Rob Manford to do what he told me on the

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Speaker 2: field during the World Series when he said the one

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Speaker 2: thing he wants to do before he leaves office besides expansion,

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Speaker 2: is geographic realignment. Rockies need to do every anything they

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Speaker 2: can to get out of having to be in the

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Speaker 2: division that they're in, and that's the best move the

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Speaker 2: next executive should be able to push.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a week that's a week out that's a

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Speaker 3: cop out, Jim. That's a cop out by the Rockies.

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Speaker 4: They've been to the playoffs in this division before playoffs,

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Speaker 4: but not anytime soon, all right. I want to go

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Speaker 4: to some other things, some other news here. The Gabe Kapler,

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Speaker 4: first of all, is the new GM. This guy's nine lives.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he didn't do very well as a manager.

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Speaker 4: He was the Dodgers guy. Now he's GM, which is cool.

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Speaker 4: He can maybe he can show us him getting dressed

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Speaker 4: all the time like he does on Instagram, where he's

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Speaker 4: like I'm getting rid of the day and he's putting

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Speaker 4: his strike well whatever. And then the age of some

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Speaker 4: of these managers, especially Breutera, right, and then a one

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Speaker 4: year deal for Suzuki and then a thirty three year

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Speaker 4: old manager. The game is changing fast right in front

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Speaker 4: of our eyes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is. You just threw a lot at me

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Speaker 2: right there.

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Speaker 3: I know. I'm sorry, Jim. I'm fired up today. The

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Speaker 3: World Series over. I got nothing to you.

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Speaker 2: I love this version of AJ I do. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean look for Gay Kapler. Peter Bendix is making

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Speaker 2: all the decisions and he will going forward. Gabe Kapler

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Speaker 2: can do a lot of the work between Bendix and

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Speaker 2: the clubhouse, and Bendix and the coaching staff, and he

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Speaker 2: can talk to the other gms for Peter. So look,

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Speaker 2: don't misunderstand what this means. Andrew Freeman runs the Dodgers,

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Speaker 2: not Brandon Gomes. Dave Debrowski runs the Phillies, not Presston Mattingly.

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Speaker 2: But the gms in those jobs can take a lot

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Speaker 2: of the load off of the president, like Peter Bendix.

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of the Gabe Kapeler role there. But

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Speaker 2: he's not gonna have carp Blanche to make any baseball decisions.

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Speaker 2: Peter's going to continue to make, is what I was told. Now.

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Speaker 2: In terms of what you threw at me, I love

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Speaker 2: the Alburnez signing in Baltimore. I thought it was a

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Speaker 2: good signing. I like the fact they went outside the organization.

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Speaker 2: Albrenez has a tremendous reputation from a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: I love the Skip Schumacher signing with the Rangers. Watching

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Speaker 2: him with the Marlins that first year and he was

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Speaker 2: manager of the Year in the National League. He can

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Speaker 2: developed players, communicates well, very good at strategy, handling a

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Speaker 2: pitching staff. I think that was a good hire. We

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Speaker 2: knew when they hired him a year ago that he

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Speaker 2: was manager and waiting, but when Bruce Bochi's contract was up,

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Speaker 2: and so that wasn't a surprise. Kurtsuzuki on a one

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Speaker 2: year deal, Like why did you take it? I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be doing this a year from now when

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Speaker 2: Perry Manassey and then Suzuki are fired at the same time.

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Speaker 2: And the reason we were given that it's a one

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Speaker 2: what does that have to do with it? Like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I just it's embarrassing. It is. Sorry, don't like it.

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Speaker 2: The blake, but terror one is the one that caught

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Speaker 2: me completely off guard. And I'm open minded. Look, there

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Speaker 2: was a time where I was the youngest GM in

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Speaker 2: baseball at thirty one, so I think you have to

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Speaker 2: keep an open mind and give him a chance. I

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Speaker 2: think the one part that would be concerning for me

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Speaker 2: is you're having a rookie GM and a rookie manager,

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Speaker 2: at the time. That's a tough formula to have and

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Speaker 2: now nationals, it won't be high expectations, but at the

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Speaker 2: He's won three world championships. He knows what it takes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it does it. Also, remember I think

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Speaker 4: Just get this guy as Roco part two and we

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Speaker 4: But that's fine, that's we can get into that another

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Speaker 3: But we'll get into that another day.

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Speaker 4: But I want to know about the work stoppage and

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Speaker 4: People are saying he only signed a one year deal

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Speaker 3: The work stoppage. I don't think that's it. I think

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Speaker 4: But as far as player's salary goes, we're here and

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Speaker 4: we're gonna dig into some free agents. We have some

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Speaker 4: opt outs today, Bregman, Edwin Diaz, Cody Bellinger. As a GM,

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Speaker 2: Right? So I've been involved in a lot of work

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Speaker 2: Every single time since Commissioner Manford has been in that seat.

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Speaker 2: Though we you know, we haven't had a work stoppage,

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Speaker 1: fifty MLB free agents this offseason contract predictions, team fits

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Speaker 1: for Tucker, Schwarber and more. So, right now, we're going

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Speaker 1: to go one through fifty. We'll do one minute each.

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Speaker 1: I'm totally kidding. We're just going to pick some standouts here, JB.

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Speaker 1: But let's start at the top. Kyle Tucker is going

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Speaker 1: to get the most money in the offseason. That's accurate, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I mean, he's twenty eight years old,

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Speaker 4: And then there's the up and down, like there's so

433
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Speaker 4: many things with him, like he should get if you

434
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Speaker 4: just go off talent, a huge contract, but then there's

435
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 4: so many things where people like, ah, I don't.

436
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Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, great, you threw a lot of b again.

437
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Speaker 2: I love that ag. So let's start with Woodrift. It

438
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Speaker 2: all depends on the medicals, right, I mean what he

439
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 2: gets paid is gonna all depend on what does the

440
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 2: MRI say, what is the health risk? Is it a

441
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 2: one year prove it deal, right? Or is it a

442
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 2: two year with an opt out kind of deal? Kind

443
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Speaker 2: of like Jack Flaherty Flairity signed John Flair with the Tigers.

444
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 2: So you know, Wood's a tough call, like Zach Allen's

445
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 2: a tough call.

446
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Speaker 3: Right.

447
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 2: Does he get a baldise three at seventy five or

448
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 2: the way he pitched an August? Does he get better?

449
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 2: Getting back to your Peede, Alonzo, Yeah, I think he's

450
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 2: gonna get the long term deal this year, and if

451
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 2: the Mets are going to do short term again, I

452
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 2: think he leaves. I do Alonso plays every day, That's

453
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Speaker 2: what he does. He plays one hundred and fifty played

454
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Speaker 2: on hundred and sixty two this year, but he plays

455
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Speaker 2: a posts. He's forty homers every year, and it's okay

456
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 2: to give him a six year deal even if he's

457
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 2: your DH, right, I mean, it's okay to pay that.

458
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: He's a difference maker, right, and he's a good teammate.

459
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: So I think so the Valdez one's fascinating. I overshot

460
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 2: Baldez on purpose just because I think pitching sorry to

461
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: get by. I think the San Francisco Giants is a

462
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 2: great spot for him. I do. I think that what

463
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 2: happened with the catcher is something that you're gonna have

464
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 2: to explain. You're gonna have to have us understand it.

465
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: But at the same time, with that kind of sinker

466
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 2: and that track record and being able to pitch the

467
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 2: big games in October, you know, there's just only so

468
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: much pitching out there. I mean, it's him, it's Ranger Suarez,

469
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: it's Dylan Cease, it's Zach Gallen. You know, there's only

470
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: so many starters out there, and every GM you talk to,

471
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 2: what are they looking for a starting pitcher? So yeah,

472
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Speaker 2: he's gonna get paid. I do love the fit with

473
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Speaker 2: the Giants, And I know one thing. As much as

474
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Speaker 2: I think the Giants need one more bat buster, Posey's

475
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: making it clear to agents and the GMS that pitching, pitching,

476
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Speaker 2: and pitching is what his goal is. This offseason, you

477
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Speaker 2: brought Pete Alonzo.

478
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Speaker 5: Your prediction for Kyle Schwarber was five years one fifty

479
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Speaker 5: at thirty a year. Pete Alonzo, who's two years younger

480
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 5: at six years one eighty, So thirty a year. Well,

481
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Speaker 5: you said one eighty two, so you gave him extra

482
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Speaker 5: two million. Do you feel like they are comparable players

483
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Speaker 5: even though there's a two year difference and you're essentially

484
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Speaker 5: getting more out of Alonzo.

485
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean had an extra year at twenty two,

486
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Speaker 2: So you know, I don't you know, I don't know

487
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 2: if you know you're taking a lower AAV. But look,

488
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Speaker 2: I have Shober ranked right behind Tucker ahead of Alonzo.

489
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Speaker 2: That's how I view it. I'll tell you why view

490
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Speaker 2: it that way. I think Kyle Schwarber on a scale

491
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Speaker 2: scout of the scale of twenty to eighty is an

492
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Speaker 2: eighty teammate. I think he makes everybody around him better,

493
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Speaker 2: He makes rookies better, he makes veteran players better, He

494
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Speaker 2: makes managers better. Everything he does, those intangibles is why

495
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Speaker 2: he's second on this list outside of the Dodgers who

496
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Speaker 2: have Otawni and the Yankees who have Stanton's contract, they're

497
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Speaker 2: stuck with. I think every other team in baseball should

498
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Speaker 2: try to get Kyle Schwarber to be the guy now

499
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Speaker 2: in terms of you know why I put the money

500
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Speaker 2: where I put it. Everything I'm understanding is again, this

501
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Speaker 2: is information that I'm getting that it sounds like five years,

502
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 2: one fifty to one seventy is where this thing is

503
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: gonna land. That's what I've been told by everybody. Now

504
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: with Scott Boris representing Pete Alonzo, just knowing Scott over

505
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: the years, there's certain plateaus that he looks for, and

506
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 2: if he gets a bidding war, he's gonna get that

507
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: six year for Alonzo, and I think I think he's

508
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Speaker 2: proven enough. I mean, look, if you're the Red Sox,

509
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: how great would Alonzo look on that in that lineup right?

510
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: That power? If you're the Seattle Mariners who are that

511
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 2: close to the World Series, how are those forty home

512
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 2: runs look in that lineup?

513
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Speaker 3: Right?

514
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: If I'm Texas, how great would he look at first

515
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: base for them. So I just think there's a lot

516
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: of fits there, and I think he's been so consistent

517
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Speaker 2: in playing and hitting homers that Look, I'll take Schwarber

518
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Speaker 2: or Alonzo either one. I love them both. I'm getting

519
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 2: forty homers from both of them. I just think Sharber's

520
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: gonna get five years and Alonzo is gonna get six.

521
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Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair, that's fair.

522
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Speaker 4: My next question is again on this list the relievers,

523
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Speaker 4: Devin Williams, Luke Weaver, Palm Rants, Brad Keller. I mean,

524
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 4: Diaz is kind of in a different class in those,

525
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 4: But what do you look at more if you're in

526
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Speaker 4: the front office, You've been through this before. Palm Rance

527
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 4: has done some good things. Devin Williams was many considered

528
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 4: the best relief pitcher in baseball until this year. Right,

529
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Speaker 4: Luke Weaver had a great year last year, fizzled a

530
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 4: little bit this year. What do you value when you

531
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Speaker 4: go into free agency and you say, all right, these

532
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 4: are the best relievers out there.

533
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Speaker 3: Who do I give my money to? And how do

534
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Speaker 3: I judge how much to give them to?

535
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Speaker 2: Yeah? So I like getting relievers at the trade deadline,

536
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: and I like developing relievers from within or trading for

537
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Speaker 2: set up relievers that haven't closed before. You know, and

538
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: my history as a GM you know, I traded for

539
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Speaker 2: Jeff Shaw and Jeff Brantley and I just Danty Graves

540
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: and all three closed and all three one row leads

541
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Speaker 2: for me. I like creating my own and not spending

542
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: the money. You know, a lot of times when you

543
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: get closers in the off season, it doesn't work out.

544
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: As the dodge about Tanner Scott and Kirby Yates and

545
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: ask them where they are right now when they got

546
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: to the postseason, right, I mean not that they you know,

547
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 2: and ask the Yankees about Devin Williams when they needed

548
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: the most. I mean, unfortunately the way you know, the

549
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: Mariano Rivera's and the Trevor Hoffins were exceptions. Historically, relievers

550
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: are tough to guarantee. Now looking in this market, Look,

551
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: there's two relievers that really stand out, right, you mentioned

552
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz and Robert Suarez. Those are the two impact closers.

553
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 2: I think they get paid and I think, you know,

554
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 2: if you're the big market team that's ready to win, right,

555
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: if I'm the Yankees, I'm the Dodgers. I'd like to

556
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 2: have those guys. Sure, let's let's go give a shot.

557
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: If it doesn't work, it's okay. We have enough money

558
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: to you know, overlook it. If they get injured or

559
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 2: all of a sudden can't perform, and then you got

560
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: to get creatd Look, you know, I'd like to take

561
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 2: a chance on Luke Weaver based on what I saw

562
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: a year ago. You know, can I get them back

563
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: to there? But you know, you really, when you talk

564
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 2: about relievers, you got to do your homework on thats

565
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: and MRIs and make sure that the arms are good.

566
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: Because the way all these relievers are used, they're being

567
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: used to blow out. Right, We're taking the starters out

568
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: early after they face the lineup twice. We're pitching them

569
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: all the time. We're trying to break them, and we

570
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 2: are breaking them, and we're doing a good job of

571
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: it as an industry, so I think you got to

572
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 2: be careful. I think, you know, as a GM, I

573
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: think you're better off concentrating double A, triple A on

574
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: other teams. Where can I have guys where you know,

575
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: maybe they're starting for them and I can trade for

576
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: them and I can put them on the back end

577
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: of the bullpen. But I I'd rather spend my money

578
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: on starting pitching and impact bats and try to find

579
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: other ways to get relievers. I mean, you look at

580
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: the Dodgers, the World champions, and you know, at the

581
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: end of the day when they got to the World Series,

582
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: all those veteran relievers, you know, weren't there. It was Robleski,

583
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: and it was em At Shean, and you know they

584
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: had signed Roki Sasaki in the off season, But I mean,

585
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: it wasn't all the relievers they were planning on back

586
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: in November, December, January, February and March. None of those

587
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: guys were there.

588
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 3: All right.

589
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 5: One of the things you've said about almost everybody out

590
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 5: there in free agency, it's uncertainty. We're uncertain And as

591
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 5: a GM, I'm sure you go into it. There's uncertainty

592
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 5: about this or that or health or whatever. So is

593
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 5: there more of a slam dunk than Alex Bregman to

594
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 5: go back to the Red Sox. One they took three

595
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 5: hundred million dollars off their books. Two, there's no uncertainty,

596
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 5: you know exactly. You've heard stories, But he came and

597
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 5: played for you last year. You kind of undercut him

598
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 5: with a little bit of Okay, maybe it was a

599
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 5: good deal, not a good deal, opt out. Whatever is

600
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 5: feeling is you saw it. Is there more of a

601
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 5: slam dunk than him back to the Red Sox.

602
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a slam dunk at all. Yeah, they're

603
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: fine with putting Marcelo Meyer at third base with story

604
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: and shortstop. You know, look, it's not that they don't

605
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: want Bregman back. It's not that they don't want him

606
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: at third base. It's not that they don't appreciate and

607
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: respect the influence he had on Roman, Anthony and all

608
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: Meyer and all the young players there because he did

609
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: I get it. He's represented by Scott Boris, one of

610
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: the best agents in the business who breaks records with contracts,

611
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: and Bregman didn't get that long term deal he had

612
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: last year, and he wants a long term deal and

613
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: he wants to be paid. So unless the Red Sox

614
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: change their tune and are willing to go, you know,

615
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: give him the six years that long term contract. He

616
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: doesn't have to worry about his next home. I think

617
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: he can be out there for play. And if I'm

618
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: the Detroit Tigers, I'm going to make a run at him.

619
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Speaker 2: If I'm the Phillies, I'm going to make a run

620
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Speaker 2: at him. If I'm the Yankees, I'm going to make

621
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: a run at him. I mean, Alex Bregman's an October player, right,

622
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: I want Bregman on my team. So I think Boston's

623
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: a great fit. If I were Boston, I'd love to

624
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: bring him back. But I get I don't get the

625
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: sense that that is the number one priority. I wouldn't

626
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: be surprised if starting pitching in first base ended up

627
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: being the two biggest moves at Craig Breslo.

628
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 4: Makes Hi Jim time for one more question. It's a

629
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Speaker 4: yes or no question. Okay, kerk Scubele and Detroit Tiger

630
00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: next year?

631
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Speaker 2: No? No, I mean, look, I have to add something

632
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: that I can't just say yes or no. He won't

633
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: be because they won't be able to sign him. The

634
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: offer they made him was embarrassing. You have to know

635
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: that Schooble is the second best pitcher in baseball to

636
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: Paul Skiings, and he's gonna be the highest paid pitcher

637
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: in baseball history. Your first offer has to make him

638
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: the highest paid pitcher in baseball, and you're hundreds of

639
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: millions off with your initial offer, and you can't go

640
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: into the season knowing he's going to be free agent

641
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: of nothing for him, So you've got to be sitting

642
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: here and spend the whole offseason trying to find out

643
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: who is the best farm system, and who's willing to

644
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: make a run and trade their farm system for him,

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Speaker 2: and what team's gonna be able to step up and

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Speaker 2: pay what it's going to take to get him. I

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Speaker 2: find a hard time to believe that the Illitch family

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Speaker 2: is going to commit it to Schooble. So that being said,

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to be traded between now and

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Speaker 2: the beginning of spring training.

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Speaker 1: That's good stuff, Crochet. Last year, he was a pretty

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Speaker 1: big deal for Boston this season. Now pictures schoobl in

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Speaker 1: another rotation for twenty twenty six. That's a segment all

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Speaker 1: in itself.

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Speaker 4: Those playoff changing moves right there, Those are the types

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Speaker 4: of moves that jams can make and change their future Rockies.

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Speaker 3: And then when they get a GM Rockies.

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Speaker 1: And maybe he goes to a team that locks him

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Speaker 1: up long term, and then he does a Yamamoto and

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Speaker 1: pitches Game six and seven. We know Schooble is certainly

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Speaker 1: capable of doing it if he's got, you know, the

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Speaker 1: place that's telling him you're here no matter what. JB.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate the extended time we'll be talking.

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Speaker 2: Talk to you soon. Thanks guys,