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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're trying

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Speaker 2: Some of these are going to hurt. It's Wednesday, May sixth.

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Speaker 1: Then on today's show, we're skipping the need to know

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Speaker 2: With Mother's Day coming up this weekend, we wanted to

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Speaker 1: A mom who's also leading other moms in addition to

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Speaker 1: raising her own kiddos. Lyn's got two moms on her

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Speaker 1: made her a better coach, changes to the CBA that

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Speaker 1: seven years in the college system. Plus your daily reminder

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Speaker 2: It's all coming up right after this joining us.

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Speaker 1: Now, she's the head coach of the Los Angeles Sparks.

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Speaker 1: A California native, she hooped for Enterprise High in Redding

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Speaker 1: she was the twenty twenty three pac twelve Coach of

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Speaker 1: the Year, she was hired by the Sparks ahead of

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Speaker 1: last season. She lives in one of my happy places,

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Speaker 2: She's the mom of twin boys, and like me, she

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Speaker 2: grew up with Michael Jordan. Posters on her walls it's

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Speaker 2: Lynn Robert Sailinn.

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Speaker 3: Hey there, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: I'm so jealous you live in Manhattan Beach.

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Speaker 1: I used to live in LA when I was the

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Speaker 1: to get to live in Romosa, Manhattan, and one of

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Speaker 1: often and I just think, well, what if my day

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Speaker 2: It's a different lights suck.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't suck. It's feel very lucky to have landed here.

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Speaker 3: I had heard of it being a California kid, but

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Speaker 2: Ugh, just going to Martha's for breakfast and all the

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Speaker 2: good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yes see, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: I get there as often as I can. Well, we're

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Speaker 1: so excited to have you on just a few days.

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Speaker 1: I had a mother's day, So we're definitely going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the perspective that you have on life as

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Speaker 2: Very short free agency period.

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Speaker 1: You lose Julia Alamand to Toronto Asrae Stevens back to Chicago.

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Speaker 1: You swapped out Wrakia Jackson for Ariel Atkins in a

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I really like our roster. Think this last offseason

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we have the pieces we need, whether

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Speaker 1: You got to just a couple of weeks of camp

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Speaker 1: so far, a little bit of preseason action. Has anything

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the buy in is really high right now.

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Speaker 1: One of the things across the league that we're seeing

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Speaker 1: This is the largest investment in the history of women's

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, and that is spot on. And I think

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Speaker 1: And free agency, Yeah, you get to call the legendary

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Speaker 3: She is my all time favorite. She's just I don't

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Speaker 3: You're getting exactly exactly. I mean, there is some of that,

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Speaker 2: Did I miss anyone? Did you acquire any new moms? Okay?

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Speaker 3: that that you're supported and the and the organizations are

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Speaker 3: required to provide you the resources you need. I don't

436
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Speaker 3: know how different that is than before, but I know

437
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 3: that's in the new one.

438
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Speaker 1: Well, and I know there's the what they're calling it

439
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: the de Erka Hanby roll. But basically, like if you're

440
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Speaker 1: pregnant or I think maybe are recovering from a pregnancy,

441
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 1: you have to agree to a trade so a team

442
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Speaker 1: can't potentially move you as a result.

443
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Speaker 3: Of Yes, and that's a great catch, right, Like that's

444
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 3: that's a good one for you know, there's nothing that

445
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 3: teams can do or like oh that doesn't fit into

446
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 3: our basketball plans, so we're going to move you.

447
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think as the finances go up. I

448
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 1: come from a family of lawyer, so I find myself

449
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: often playing devil's advocate to things. Even if I think

450
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Speaker 1: that prioritizing and centering the players and their family planning

451
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 1: makes sense, I also do understand that as numbers go

452
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 1: up and investment goes up, there's an intention with each season.

453
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Speaker 1: And if one of your stars is suddenly out for

454
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: the whole season and financially you don't get reimbursed to

455
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Speaker 1: get another player or otherwise, it's complicated.

456
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Speaker 2: So I do think there needs to be.

457
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Speaker 1: Policy in place that serves everyone so that the player

458
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Speaker 1: also doesn't feel guilty being out and the team doesn't

459
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Speaker 1: feel like they need to be punitive in their response

460
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: because everybody can work together to make sure that it

461
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Speaker 1: isn't a super deleterious impact on, you know, the end

462
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Speaker 1: goal of winning completely.

463
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Speaker 3: And I actually I do think, just don't quote me

464
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Speaker 3: on it. I do think that if a player is pregnant,

465
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Speaker 3: get whatever, any of that, like their salary doesn't hit

466
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 3: your cap, so you're able to get somebody else.

467
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Speaker 1: I'm always like trying to keep up to date because

468
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: you can't always access the full CBA and find the language.

469
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Speaker 1: But yeah, there is something in there about like player

470
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Speaker 1: hardship I think is what they call it, which is

471
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Speaker 1: also what I call having kids.

472
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Speaker 3: But preach, girl, preach.

473
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Speaker 2: I don't have.

474
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Speaker 1: Them, but I can only you do so far, watching

475
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: my nephew and nieces, when I do, I understand that

476
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Speaker 1: it is it is hardship. So you've got these two

477
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Speaker 1: boys at home to nurture, You've got this whole team

478
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Speaker 1: of women to nurture. What are your non negotiables in

479
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: both roles? Are there things that you say, I will

480
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Speaker 1: absolutely not do this as a mom because I'm a coach,

481
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Speaker 1: or I'll absolutely not do this as a coach just

482
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Speaker 1: because I'm a mom.

483
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Speaker 3: Wow, I've never been asked that. I just I think

484
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Speaker 3: I don't know if this really answers your question. But

485
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 3: I think you know your choices reflect your priorities and

486
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 3: the decisions you make, the things you do that they're

487
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 3: direct reflection of what matters. And so I will never

488
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Speaker 3: sacrifice what my boys need for work. And I tried.

489
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Speaker 3: You know, when I come home dan the day, like

490
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: I'm done with work, and so I try to be

491
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Speaker 3: extremely efficient, or I wait till after they go to

492
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Speaker 3: bed and then I'll watch film. But when I'm home,

493
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Speaker 3: I try to be present. When I'm at work, I

494
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 3: try to, you know, I'm present, I'm not, you know,

495
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 3: so I don't know if there's any non negotiables. It's

496
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Speaker 3: a feel yeah, And I just I feel like my

497
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 3: choices need to match. It's a non negotiable for me.

498
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Speaker 3: My choices need to match my priorities.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to answer this if the answer

500
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Speaker 1: will be incriminating to anyone or get you in trouble.

501
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Speaker 2: But I wonder if when you interviewed for the.

502
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Speaker 1: Job, if you were able to say that, and you

503
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Speaker 1: felt comfortable telling them that and still saying, listen, I'm

504
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: worth hiring. Even if when I go home my priority

505
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: might be my boys, or even if I'm not willing

506
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Speaker 1: to not meet what my boys need because of coaching,

507
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: it will still be the outcome that you're looking for.

508
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: Because I think that one of the things that slows

509
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Speaker 1: down women in really tough gigs like professional coaching is

510
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Speaker 1: a fear from the people doing the hiring that they

511
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Speaker 1: won't get enough out of them and it won't be

512
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Speaker 1: the only thing that they're caring about. And we've heard

513
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: somebody say that this coach slept overnight under his desk.

514
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: To make sure that that doesn't mean he was the best.

515
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: And it also doesn't mean that the players respected him

516
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: or thought that that was a cool thing to do,

517
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: or thought that that was good leadership. But it's like

518
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 1: that performative dedication that isn't able to be done if

519
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: you have kids.

520
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: You just can't do that, you know.

521
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 3: And coaches that are sleeping under their desk tells me

522
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: that they're not very efficient with their time and or

523
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 3: they don't want to go home, exactly two of those things.

524
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Speaker 3: Both those things aren't true for me. So I'm incredibly

525
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Speaker 3: efficient and I want to come home and I want

526
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Speaker 3: to be with my family and enjoy it. That doesn't

527
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Speaker 3: mean that it's Disneyland every day like it's hard. It's

528
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 3: not an easy gig. But again, I'm very intentional with

529
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Speaker 3: how I use my time. But I yeah, I think

530
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Speaker 3: the whole adage that coaches need to you know, you

531
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Speaker 3: got to work twenty four to seven is no, no,

532
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Speaker 3: you don't.

533
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Speaker 2: And you felt confident telling the folks that.

534
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, And the sparks have been unbelievable.

535
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: And I think I've become a better coach when I

536
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: became a mom. I think because I was kind of

537
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: forced to, you know, It puts perspective on things. And

538
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 3: when I'm talking to a player, you know, there's that

539
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 3: awareness of like, this is somebody's daughter, like you know,

540
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: and how would I want my sons to be treated

541
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: by a coach? And you know, this is somebody's daughter.

542
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: How I feel about my kids? People feel this way

543
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: about her? And it made me a better coach. It

544
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,239
Speaker 3: just had a little bit more of a perspective of, like,

545
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: life's bigger than how you perform on a Saturday night.

546
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Speaker 2: And you hear that a lot from players and coaches.

547
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 4: Right.

548
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Speaker 1: It's not that I don't want to win any less,

549
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: it's just a little bit easier to accept when something

550
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: doesn't go right, because that's not the only thing there is.

551
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: I've got these kids back home, I've got this other

552
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Speaker 1: stuff going on. Do you have any tricks for wrangling

553
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: your players that you take home and find work on

554
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: the boys too? And vice versa, Like you try something

555
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: in one place first and you're like.

556
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Speaker 2: Ooh, that's good. I think that might work in the

557
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: other space too.

558
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: Yeah I wish, I wish, But ten year old boys

559
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: are as far away from professional women athletes as I think.

560
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: It's like, other than a lot of energy. Oh that's

561
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: where the ven diagram meets man.

562
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: No kidding, So not a lot of overlap other than

563
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 3: in both worlds, I learn patients and how to continue

564
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: to be my best self when I'm frustrated or upset

565
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: or whatever.

566
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I learned from working with kids for the

567
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: board that I'm on a trick where you say, make

568
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Speaker 1: a waterfall sound and then everyone goes.

569
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 2: Ssh and then the room shuts up.

570
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: And I use that when I host galas and I

571
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: MC events and people won't trut the fuck up.

572
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, everybody, make.

573
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: A waterfall sound, and I'm like, now I'm treating you

574
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: all like preschoolers.

575
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: Because I'm going to use that at the dinner table tonight.

576
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: It's a good one. It's a good one.

577
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: That's a great one. Then the problem is I can

578
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 3: already anticipate them just doing that the whole dinner, and

579
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 3: then I'm a way that all they're doing is making waterfall.

580
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Speaker 2: It's a real give and take.

581
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: Where do you think you feel the most pain point

582
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Speaker 1: of trying to be the best mom and the best coach.

583
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 3: I think when you're traveling a lot, you know, it's

584
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 3: just hard to be gone for eight days at a time.

585
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: Sometimes that part's hard, you know. And within the w season,

586
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: you know, my busiest time is their summer, so when

587
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: they're out of school, and you know, those are the

588
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: time that most normal families do vacations. I'm you know,

589
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: so their vacations are road trips with the team. That's

590
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 3: fun though. Yeah, I was just gonna say they're not suffering.

591
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: Those will be great memories for them. I love having

592
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: them around. So the pain point, I think is just

593
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 3: being gone as much as I am gone.

594
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: Sure partner's job allow for them to come on those

595
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: road trips or is it too hard to have both

596
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: folks on the road.

597
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: No, it works. So my my wife has a start

598
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: up with a business partner in fertility health, and she's

599
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: kicking ass to but she works from home for the

600
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: most part. She'll do some traveling too, but they they

601
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 3: travel and I bring the boys. I can't do it alone.

602
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: So either she'll come, or my mother in law or

603
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 3: my mom or somebody nice. Because I don't know. If

604
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: I've mentioned as many times as I can that they

605
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 3: are hyper active dudes.

606
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: You know what I've heard about the moms.

607
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: You know, whether it's kandas Parker or others Nei l

608
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: Ivy whose kids grew up on the court with them,

609
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of lessons to be learned to

610
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: your point being surrounded by a bunch of badass women,

611
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: so all that energy hopefully will be channeled into some

612
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: cool stuff.

613
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: Okay, it seems like you've got a good handle on it.

614
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: So do you have any advice to professional women in

615
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: whatever field they're in who maybe feel guilty if they

616
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: can't give both things one hundred percent.

617
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: I used to struggle with that, feeling like I'm not

618
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: one hundred percent at either place. But I think you know,

619
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Speaker 3: if you're able to, if you're in a situation where

620
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: you can integrate your kids as much as you can,

621
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: that's a blessing. But I also don't think as women

622
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: we need to feel guilty about pursuing our careers. My

623
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: kids are loved, taken care of, you know, and the

624
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: lessons they're learning from me about working really hard and

625
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: being in a high pressure situation and how do I

626
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: handle it, I think those are just as valuable as

627
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: if I was home every day when they came home

628
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: from school with the plate of cookies that I baked,

629
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: Like there are days where I would love to do that,

630
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: but there's also like they're learning a lot for me.

631
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: And I think we as women have to, you know,

632
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: really fight this guilt that we feel. And I think

633
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 3: some of it is just the nature right of being

634
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: a mom. But I think our kids are gaining more

635
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: from us than we when we realize by pursuing what

636
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: we believe in, you know, doing hard things, you know,

637
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: all them, they're absorbing all that we're doing in terms

638
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: of how we manage it, how we juggle things, how

639
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: we're there for them. They're absorbing all of that. And

640
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: I don't think there's one way to do it right.

641
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: You've got to figure out what works for you and

642
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: your kids. But I would encourage them if you have

643
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: a passion, you know, there's a way, where there's a will,

644
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: there's a way.

645
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

646
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: And are kids are resilient and they see your sacrifice

647
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: and they absorb it and they're going to carry that

648
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: forward in their own lives.

649
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I tell a lot of women worried about that.

650
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: I say, of course, if you want to be a

651
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: stay at home mom, that's great, do that, But if

652
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: you want to do something else, like there were a

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Speaker 1: badass working lawyer that I aspired to be like, as

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Speaker 2: You know, I survived. I survived that my mom wasn't

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Speaker 1: Speaking of tea final question, big plans for Mother's Day?

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Speaker 1: I didn't even look at your schedule to see if

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Speaker 3: We have a game? Yeah, we play the Aces at home.

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Speaker 3: It's the opening game. Yeah, so yes, I.

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Speaker 2: Do have plans, big plans.

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Speaker 3: I have some big plans that day, looking forward to that.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully we can ring in Mother's Day with a win,

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for the time. I note it's

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Speaker 1: a very busy time getting ready for the season. We're

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Speaker 1: looking forward to tipping off and we so appreciate.

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Speaker 3: Your perspective absolutely. Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to Lynn for chatting with us. And don't

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Speaker 2: We have to take another break when.

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Speaker 1: We return, a reminder of how far the US still

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Speaker 2: Welcome back slices.

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Speaker 1: We love that you're listening, but we want you to

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Speaker 1: the US hates women, rating one out of seven countries review.

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Speaker 1: According to the latest data from the World Policy Center,

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Speaker 1: the US is just one of seven countries and the

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Speaker 1: only quote unquote rich country in the world to not

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Speaker 1: offer guaranteed paid maternity leave at the national level. The

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Speaker 1: US is on a short list, accompanied by a handful

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Speaker 1: of tiny island nations like Nauru and the Marshall Islands. Meantime,

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Speaker 1: the other one hundred and eighty five nations that the

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Speaker 1: World Policy Center tracks boasts at least some kind of

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Speaker 1: paid leave, ranging from countries like Saudi Arabia, which offers

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Speaker 1: twelve weeks of paid leave, to Norway, which offers forty

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Speaker 1: nine weeks of paid leave. But here in the US,

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Speaker 1: employees are at the mercy of the laws passed by

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Speaker 1: only national law that governs maternity leave in the US,

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Speaker 1: the Family and Medical Leave Act, just mandates that employers

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Speaker 1: provide twelve weeks of job protection leave unpaid. Now, while

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Speaker 1: some states, like usual gold star earners California and Massachusetts

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Speaker 1: it shouldn't surprise you to learn that the states with

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Speaker 1: the worst maternity leave policies are also the states most

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Speaker 1: likely to restrict abortion access.

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Speaker 4: Cool.

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Speaker 1: Oh, and speaking of abortion, let's see conservatives are currently

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Speaker 1: trying to end access to abortion pills via mail, a

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Speaker 1: bill that would punish abortion patients with prison time that's

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Speaker 1: US Representative Brandon Gill is pulling this bullshit on an

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Speaker 1: American university professor during a recent House Judiciary subcommittee. You're

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Speaker 1: an advocate for abortion, for abortion policy, what's your favorite

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Speaker 1: type of abortion?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: Of course his question was supposed to be a gotcha,

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Speaker 1: but feminist author of the Abortion every Day substack, Jessica

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Speaker 1: Valenti has the real answer to his question.

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Speaker 4: You can see by the shit eating grin that he's

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Speaker 4: really pleased with himself that he got his viral moment.

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Speaker 4: But since Representative Gill is so interested in what type

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Speaker 4: of abortions are our favorites. I thought that I would

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Speaker 4: share a few of mine. My favorite abortion is the

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Speaker 4: one that prevents a ten year old from breaking her

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Speaker 4: pelvis and childbirth always been a favorite. I also really

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Speaker 4: like the types of abortions that ensure women don't have

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Speaker 4: to walk around carrying dead fetuses for weeks on end,

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Speaker 4: like what happened in Representative Gills home state of Texas.

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Speaker 4: I also really like abortions that stock women from going septic,

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Speaker 4: like abortions that prevent twenty eight year olds from losing

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Speaker 4: both of their Filippian tubes. I like abortions that don't

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Speaker 4: force twenty one year olds in Texas to carry fetuses

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Speaker 4: that have developed without heads. My other type of favorite

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Speaker 4: abortion is the kind that doesn't force women to cross

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Speaker 4: state lines when they have a fatal fetal abnormality, thus

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Speaker 4: furthering their trauma forcing them away from their home. My

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Speaker 4: favorite types of abortions are the ones that allow women

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Speaker 4: to live. Maybe if Kindy Miller or Imbernicole Thurman or

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Speaker 4: Tierra Walker had an abortion, they would still be here.

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Speaker 4: My favorite types of abortions are the ones that allow

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Speaker 4: women to go to college. My favorite types of abortions

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Speaker 4: are the ones that allow women to leave abusive relationships.

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Speaker 4: My favorite kinds of abortions are the ones that allow

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Speaker 4: women to choose their own life path, to decide what

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Speaker 4: to start a family. My favorite types of abortions are

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Speaker 4: the ones that allow people to meet the person that

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Speaker 4: they are supposed to be with. My favorite type of

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Speaker 4: abortion is the one that allowed me to meet my

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Speaker 4: husband and for us to have our daughter, who is

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Speaker 4: now fifteen. My favorite type of abortion is the one

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Speaker 4: that saved my life when my daughter was three and

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Speaker 4: ensured that she didn't grow up without a mother when

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Speaker 4: she was a toddler. It is really hard to choose

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Speaker 4: just one favorite type of abortion.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't have said it better myself, Jessica. Now it's your turn,

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Speaker 1: rate and review. Thanks for listening, See you tomorrow. Good game, Lynn,

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Speaker 1: Good game, Emma, and Deerica view to the shitt eating

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Speaker 1: grid on that congressman's face.

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Speaker 2: He really thought he had something.

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