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Speaker 1: The following podcast contains topics of mental health and loss,

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Speaker 1: which may be difficult to listen to. If you, or

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Speaker 1: anyone you know is struggling, help is available. Call nine

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Speaker 2: Hi guys, it's Jen Fessler.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's Jackie Golschneider and we are two Jersey Jays.

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Speaker 2: Hi Jack, Hi, bibe.

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Speaker 3: What's been going on?

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Speaker 4: I mean it's been I'm so exhausted. So is Rachel.

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Speaker 4: My daughter's twenty third birthday yesterday. So always it's an ordeal.

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Speaker 4: You would think that after maybe you know, nineteen, it

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Speaker 4: would stop being such a big deal, but it just doesn't.

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Speaker 4: So we were down the shore. We packed it up,

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Speaker 4: We went into the city. We went to Sacks, We

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Speaker 4: had lunch there, it was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: We went shopping.

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Speaker 4: We decided that there was nothing at Sacks that we

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Speaker 4: were going to plunk our money down.

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Speaker 2: So we ended up at Mango. Have you been there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well they have Mangos all over Spain Europe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I've been to the ones. Jeff loves them,

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Speaker 4: but like they just now opening Garden State whatever. So

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Speaker 4: we ended up there and then it was like we

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Speaker 4: didn't even shop for Rachel, which I appreciate it. We

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Speaker 4: ended up shopping for my son, who doesn't ever shop,

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Speaker 4: and that was just exhausting. I like, just would rather

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Speaker 4: order now online. I know, I have to say bike

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Speaker 4: shopping is.

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Speaker 3: I actually have to take my kids shopping this afternoon

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Speaker 3: because they're going to do Like we're in the they

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Speaker 3: just finished their sophomore year of high school, my older ones,

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Speaker 3: so they're in the building your resume now for college

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Speaker 3: phase and they're doing this great program at Duke.

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Speaker 2: For two weeks.

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Speaker 3: But we just got the packing list and they have

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Speaker 3: to wear like a suit for presentations, and they don't

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Speaker 3: have a suit but the bottom. That's so we're going

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Speaker 3: to We're going to suit shopping. I was going to say,

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Speaker 3: go straight to men's warehouse.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's actually a place in Paramus that that we

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Speaker 3: go to Salaretta or one of those No, not a

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Speaker 3: fancy one. It's like they it's just they have so

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Speaker 3: many suits. But anyway, so last night I had two

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Speaker 3: that graduated middle school, which is very bittersweet for me.

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Speaker 3: Next year I'll have all four at the same high

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Speaker 3: school for two years. So I said to Evan, I

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Speaker 3: you know, next year, I guess they'll just drive with

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Speaker 3: take them to school anymore. And he was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's awesome, that's the best. And I said, no, it's

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Speaker 3: not awesome. Like I feel a little sad about it.

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Speaker 5: You know, tomorrow's the.

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Speaker 3: Last day that I'll be driving my kids to school,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure there'll be one offs. But I think

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Speaker 3: it's a difference in the way that like, I don't

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Speaker 3: want to generalize, but like moms and dads think about

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Speaker 3: this kind of stuff, Like Evan's like, this is great,

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Speaker 3: you're getting your freedom back, you're getting your morning's back.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's I don't know, it's sad. At

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Speaker 3: this mom, I was like, whooo, I had none of that.

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Speaker 3: Oh really no, No, I got absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: I was like, and especially when they got there, all

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Speaker 4: Zach at that point was gone a year into college,

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Speaker 4: I was like, yay, I am so bye bye kiss

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Speaker 4: and drop see yah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And by the way, this whole college process, like.

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Speaker 2: This is not how we did it.

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Speaker 3: When we were kids, like I played much advice for

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Speaker 3: you on that but for this podcast. But all of

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Speaker 3: this nonsense that you have to jump through free conces

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Speaker 4: I wasted so much money. I cannot even tell you

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Speaker 3: Today than Oh I have to talk off camera the

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Speaker 3: college counselors and the act tutors. And I remember Zach

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Speaker 3: Got he was always a great test taker. I don't

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Speaker 4: And I still paid so much money for tutoring and

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Speaker 3: But I know tutoring. I should have gone into tutoring.

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Speaker 3: Forget being a lawyer. Should have been a tutor. It

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Speaker 3: may makes so much money. Agreed, it's amazing. Can I

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Speaker 3: ask you today's guest is a personal friend of yours?

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Speaker 2: It correct?

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Speaker 3: She is? She is okay, so why don't you tell

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Speaker 3: us about her? Let's introduce her, because wow, what a story.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not clear on how you actually how you

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Speaker 4: Well, okay, so we actually share a best friend and

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Speaker 4: we are dear friends. Now we've been dear friends for

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Speaker 4: years and years we've been away together. But I met

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Speaker 4: Brady originally through my friend Helene, and they went to

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Speaker 4: college together. They went to Ithaca together and they were

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Speaker 4: Brady because we all went away for Helene turned forty

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Speaker 4: just bonded. It was this fabulous experience. Her name is

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Speaker 4: close saying that she heard that Brady's son, his name

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Speaker 4: same age as my son, as Helene's son, as cindy son.

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Speaker 4: not even talking about Brady at this point. Just telling

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Speaker 4: he struggled with mental illness and he had created this

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Speaker 4: Mind Institute. He just did all these amazing things, and

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Speaker 4: his legacy, one of his many legacies carried on through

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Speaker 4: his mom, Brady, Happy Jack is amazing and still doing

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Speaker 4: she tries really hard though to you know, share her story,

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Speaker 4: especially with what's going on in this world with fentanyl.

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Speaker 4: So she's I'm gonna We're gonna bring her in and

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Speaker 4: going to touch all of you. This story is impossible

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Speaker 3: It's so scary to think that, you know, it's like

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Speaker 4: it's not even it's so Jackie, we all, I don't

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Speaker 2: Freaked out. No, there's they're not.

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Speaker 4: It is what's happened with this fentanyl crisis in this country.

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Speaker 4: And Brady's going to tell you more. Is is so

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Speaker 4: by her story. So, without further ado, here is my

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Speaker 4: very dear friend, Brady Harrison.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, my love.

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Speaker 4: We want to just take us back. You know you're

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Speaker 5: You know why, because it goes back even further. To

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Speaker 5: have to know who my son was and what his

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Speaker 5: struggles were. So my son, Jack Nathan struggle with both

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Speaker 5: who are nineteen. Had a huge social circle, you know,

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Speaker 5: the The issue was internally, right. He struggled internally, and

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Speaker 5: as a mother, all you want to do is make

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Speaker 5: your kid happy. I would have done anything. He was

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Speaker 5: If I can help just one person not feel the

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Speaker 5: meant was he wanted to start a company called Happy Jack,

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Speaker 5: which is a nickname some casting agent gave him when

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Speaker 5: My friend said to me, it was like equivalents like Brady,

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Speaker 3: Right, So what is the charity? How has the charity

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Speaker 4: Of but I've met We're doing Jack, We're doing am

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Speaker 5: Jack created Happy Jack. And this is my son's legacy

435
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 5: that he built. So I am just sort of taking

436
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 5: over the reins for him. But I will not take

437
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 5: credit for ever for my son's work, for you know,

438
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 5: his concept, his drive to help other kids like him

439
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 5: who struggled.

440
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 4: Is it hard bratty because some people might say, Okay,

441
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 4: so there's crossover, right, I don't know there's is their

442
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 4: crossover between mental health, I don't be infentanyl awareness. They're

443
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 4: two separate things, right, it's.

444
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 5: Yes and no, because I look, those who struggle have

445
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 5: a higher propensity to try stuff.

446
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, just.

447
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 3: I make themselves feel better.

448
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it could be the kid who you know,

449
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 5: goes to any one of these schools and says like,

450
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 5: oh my god, I have a test and I want

451
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 5: to cram, and someone gives them an.

452
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: Adderall all right, And that's what I mean, right.

453
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 5: Because adderall is lace. Percocet is lace, xenax is lace,

454
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 5: Cocaine is laced. I mean, you name it now, weed

455
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 5: is lace, the vapes are laced.

456
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: So just so for people who have no idea, and

457
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: I also don't know so much of this. How does

458
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 3: something get laced with ventanol?

459
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 5: So the precursors, which are the chemicals that are made

460
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 5: from thetonyl, are starting in China, and the Chinese are

461
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 5: also the ones who are responsible for creating the pill

462
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 5: press machines, so basically they press the pills to look

463
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 5: like any other pill that you would get from your doctor.

464
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 5: So the chemicals and this is the I'm just giving

465
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 5: you the generic root. Yes, it might come from other means,

466
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 5: but this is what you know sort of the normal.

467
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 5: This is what the path is. So the precursors are made,

468
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 5: they're shipped to Mexico. Mexico has all the cartels and

469
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 5: the labs and so forth, and then they are coming

470
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: across the border. The reason why they are using fentanyl

471
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 5: to mix into these pills, or even use fentanyl period

472
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 5: is because it's stronger than anything out there. You do

473
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 5: not need as much of it to make a pill

474
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: or to enhance a pill. It's a synthetic, so you

475
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 5: can make it yourself. You're not waiting for like the

476
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 5: you know, plants to grow in the fields in order

477
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 5: to create opium. It just doesn't work that way. So

478
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 5: it truly what it comes down to is greed. They

479
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 5: can manufacture more because it's cheaper, it's stronger, they can

480
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 5: get it onto the streets faster, and the margins are insane.

481
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 5: So their hope is to create addicts.

482
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: How do you get bray I was gonna I've been

483
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: thinking about this a long time. It doesn't the only

484
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: part that doesn't add up is that it's so lethal,

485
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 4: right that the makers of it, you know, are losing.

486
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 4: They're trying you're trying to create an addict in terms

487
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 4: of right, if you're not trying to, you know, kill

488
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 4: your source, and it seems to be phentanol is so deadly.

489
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: I don't even know.

490
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, is there an amount that you got in that

491
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: doesn't kill you?

492
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: It?

493
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 5: Two milligrams is a lethal dose. And I told you

494
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 5: that it's like like grains of sand if you have

495
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 5: some sort of tolerance. I suppose two milligrams is not

496
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 5: going to do the trick in order to just stop

497
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 5: your life. My son and all of these kids, they're

498
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 5: they're not what you envision to be. Perhaps someone in

499
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 5: the streets, someone in drug rehabs. There kids who may

500
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 5: try something for the first time, that may take a

501
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 5: Mali at a party. You know, they're these are kids

502
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 5: who are you know, athletes and academics and successful. And

503
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 5: it blows away every stereotype that people might have of

504
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 5: those who are passing from fetanol or from drugs period.

505
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 5: So the manufacturers of the product, they don't care if

506
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 5: they have some casualties along the way, They'll just make more.

507
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 5: They just they don't care.

508
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: You think about the fact that these kids are the brains,

509
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 4: especially boys, right, they're not developed until what they're twenty

510
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 4: six years old. Boys' brains. You're sending out your kid

511
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 4: into the world at age eighteen nineteen, and of course

512
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 4: I would have taken something in college.

513
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 5: You passed me a p we write, Jen, you thought

514
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 5: you were invincible.

515
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, one hundred percent. I remember taking what

516
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 4: is that one? Not molly?

517
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: Ecstasy? Remember ecstasy?

518
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 4: That was big when I was in college, and yeah,

519
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 4: everybody was doing I don't even know what it is.

520
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 4: They called it ecstasy then in Texas. But it was

521
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: like funny, you know who's at that age? You're not

522
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 4: thinking about shit, You're thinking, no tonight, there is no

523
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: rap party.

524
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

525
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: So how does a parent talk to their kid to

526
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: try to stop this? I mean, telling them not to

527
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: ever try anything? Is that realistic?

528
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: What do you do?

529
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 5: Probably not? I don't think that if I I mean,

530
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 5: of course I taught Jack don't do drugs, right, I

531
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 5: mean my kids smoke weed, which I didn't have an

532
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 5: issue with some parents do, but I was like, yeah,

533
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 5: but it's in MYSS, it's described to you and for

534
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 5: you, you really can't. There's no such thing as recreational drugs anymore.

535
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 5: It just doesn't exist the same way like Jen was saying,

536
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 5: it just doesn't exist. So they have something called fentanyl

537
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 5: test strips. Basically, you have to take the pill and

538
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 5: crush it and dilute it in water, and then you

539
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 5: take it's like a dipstick. You dip, you dip the

540
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 5: stick in and if it comes out like a pregnancy

541
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 5: test two lions, one lion, it's either negative or positive.

542
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 5: There can be false positive false negatives, but they're pretty

543
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 5: accurate fentanyl test strips. You can buy them anywhere. You

544
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 5: can buy them on Amazon. The only my biggest hesitation

545
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 5: lies in the fact that you can take one pill

546
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 5: right jack, and like I could split it in half.

547
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 5: You can take half, and I can take half, and

548
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 5: I don't wake up in the morning, but you do.

549
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 5: It's because the fentanyl is not evenly distributed in the pill.

550
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 5: It might have just been stuck in my half, but

551
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 5: you're fine. So unless you dilute the entire substance, you

552
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 5: will not know truly whether.

553
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: What kind of these what kid is has the wherewithal

554
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 4: to say, I'm gonna go into the bathroom for I mean,

555
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: they're dipsticks, like they're like, these kids are not maybe

556
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: not all of them. I think that there are, you know,

557
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: and we're all we all try with our kids, and

558
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: but that's the part that is, so my kids are

559
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 4: they're older now, maybe they're still stupid.

560
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't know.

561
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 5: But they do give out fentanyl test strips and a

562
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 5: lot of the fraternities and the sororities, so today they're

563
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 5: much more aware, really. And there's also something called narcan

564
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 5: which reverses the effects of an overdose, which is a

565
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 5: spray that you put up each nostril, but you have

566
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 5: to have someone with you. A lot of these kids

567
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 5: who take something are by themselves, so that narkhan doesn't apply.

568
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: And so narcam works for fentanyl. Correct, And how quickly

569
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: do you have to you? How quickly does fentanyl take

570
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: effect in you?

571
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 5: It minutes?

572
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: Minutes?

573
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: Wow?

574
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 5: How horrifying?

575
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: Is there a world? So I don't know too much about.

576
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: I know obviously ventinels in the news, But is there

577
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: a world in which fentanyl is completely wiped out from

578
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: the drug supply.

579
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I don't see it happening. It's

580
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 5: too easy to make and there's too much money to

581
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 5: be made. I think that's about in line. As long

582
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 5: as there's money to be had, people just don't give

583
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 5: a shit about human life, you know.

584
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: Brad I have been close for a while and I

585
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 4: just always I said to you last week, Bra, like

586
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 4: I feel like sometimes I just say the wrong thing,

587
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 4: and of course it's all well intentioned. But we talked

588
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 4: about it about one of your other best friends who's like,

589
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 4: you know, I want to say to you. I wouldn't

590
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 4: say that now, but maybe when it first happened, you know,

591
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 4: time time, time, time. I mean, I don't know if

592
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 4: time is helping or I obviously I follow you and everything,

593
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 4: but I follow you on TikTok, and you're so open

594
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 4: and you have so many experiences every day dealing with

595
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 4: this grief that just doesn't quit, you know, and.

596
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 5: Think for me, And I've said this just recently, like

597
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 5: it feels like it just happened, Like it feels like

598
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 5: it just happened yesterday. I wake up every morning and

599
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 5: I go through like the litany of things that I

600
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 5: did that day or before or Jack's life, and so

601
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm like treading water, standing still. But

602
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 5: everybody else is moving on as they should, because the

603
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 5: world keeps spinning. But it's hard for me as the

604
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 5: kids move further away from my son's passing, and my

605
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 5: friends even move further away from Jack's passing, and I

606
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 5: sort of like still here, and it's equally as hard

607
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 5: for me. You know, I see all of these kids

608
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 5: growing up and my son doesn't get to do that.

609
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 5: And you keep in mind, my son grew up with

610
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 5: Jessee and all these kids, and I watched them, i know,

611
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 5: meeting their significant others and working going out into the world.

612
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 5: And my son was a baby. He was nineteen years old.

613
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 5: I mean, he was almost twenty, but he didn't even

614
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 5: make it to his junior year in college. It's just like,

615
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 5: you know, you just say, like, it's not fair, just

616
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 5: not fair.

617
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: So how do you how do you get through the days?

618
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: And have you gotten help for yourself mental health treatment.

619
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 5: I have a daughter who looked at me shortly after

620
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 5: and said, do not go numb on me. And I

621
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 5: will never forget that, and I have to show up

622
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 5: for her, have to. I will not disappear. I will

623
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 5: do anything to make her life easier, to make her happy,

624
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: so that she doesn't, you know, continue to wallow in

625
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 5: her brother's passing. And I'm very sensitive to that. So

626
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 5: you know, people like I could never, I could never.

627
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 5: I don't have a choice, you know, I have a daughter,

628
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 5: and I have a significant other who loves me. I

629
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 5: have amazing friends and amazing parents, and I'm so grateful

630
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 5: for their support. I'm not a big group mental health

631
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 5: person in terms of like sitting in a group that

632
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 5: does not work for me. It just brings me down

633
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 5: to hear about other people's pain. So I'm I do

634
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 5: one on one occasionally, but even that, I just like,

635
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 5: I don't feel like crying for forty five minutes straight,

636
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 5: Like I just don't have it in me. I'm exhausted,

637
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 5: So I sleep a lot. I sleep a lot. Yeah,

638
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 5: an medication.

639
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not even asking you. I just don't

640
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 4: for myself, like a right. It's like I don't know

641
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 4: if there's enough prosact.

642
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 5: In the world, of course I don't. Yeah, but it's

643
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 5: like it's like, do you ever you know that feeling

644
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 5: of like when you're present but not really present. Yes,

645
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 5: like you're there physically, but you're not there mentally. That's

646
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 5: what it feels like a lot of the time.

647
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 4: I know you get sometimes just a surprise like letter,

648
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: text or whatever from one of his friends. Yeah, I know,

649
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 4: how like that just now that lights you up because

650
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 4: he has an impact on so many of these kids.

651
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 5: Really, you know, it's so consistent what all of these

652
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 5: kids say about him. You know, like Jack told me

653
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 5: what was important in life. He didn't you know, give

654
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 5: a shit about anything else about and you know, it

655
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 5: was just about what he was doing and his happiness

656
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 5: and you know, forget about the nine to five, do

657
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 5: what makes you happy. And they believed in him, and

658
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 5: he believed in them. And you know, one day he

659
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 5: came up into my room and he's like, Mom, I

660
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 5: really think it's helping me to help other people. And

661
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 5: I was like, Jack, that's amazing. It's amazing. But you know,

662
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, I couldn't take that

663
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 5: anxiety away from him. I couldn't take his relentless need

664
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 5: to do more. He's very existential, very introspective. He was

665
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 5: he called like limited drops, one of one. He was

666
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 5: one of one.

667
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: Wow.

668
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: I love that.

669
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: How do you think those parents that you've gotten to know,

670
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: is it similar their grief and what five years later?

671
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, But I don't know. I

672
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: just talked to Charlie or whatever. I'm about to meet

673
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 4: Charlie's dad. But is the pattern there are similar patterns

674
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 4: in terms of how parents.

675
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 5: I will tell you that every single person grieves differently,

676
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 5: and I passes zero judgment. You know, some people immerse

677
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 5: themselves in work, some people immerse themselves in the cause.

678
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 5: Some people just becomes stagnant and can't leave their heal.

679
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 5: You know, I didn't. I don't think I left my

680
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 5: house for six months. I look. I moved out of

681
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 5: New Jersey to Florida because it hurt me so bad

682
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 5: to see all of these people that I had to

683
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 5: like sort of face what happened. And every time I

684
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 5: saw everyone, They're like, oh my god, what's the matter.

685
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 5: And it just like brings you back. And I every

686
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 5: baseball field, every soccer field, every pizza place he worked at.

687
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 5: It's really painful, incredibly hard. And I go back obviously

688
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 5: because all my friends are there and my daughter lives

689
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 5: with her father primarily, but it's it's hard for me.

690
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 5: It's really hard, and I don't I guess I feel

691
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 5: like sometimes people forget how hard it is.

692
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody knows how So few people that we know

693
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 4: understand how hard it is. Yeah, we imagine it.

694
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: You know, what would you like to see happy Jack

695
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: going forward?

696
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 5: And I would love it to flourish. I would. Jack

697
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 5: launched the site in the first sight, and he was

698
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 5: disappointed because he wanted it to the site to crash

699
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 5: because so many people are on it. You know, I'd

700
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 5: love for it to be self sustaining. I'd love for

701
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 5: me to be able to help kids more than I

702
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 5: already do. I'm happy to speak to anyone and everyone

703
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 5: to let them know that, you know, Jack is you Jack,

704
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 5: You're no different than my son, and this is the

705
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 5: reality of the situation. And you know, I had one

706
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 5: of his friends say to me afterwards, I could have

707
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 5: been any one of us.

708
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: It could have and.

709
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, so what would I like to see happen? Ultimately,

710
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 5: the reason why I speak is because I want to

711
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 5: save lives. I don't I don't want any parent to

712
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 5: who experience this pain. It's horrific, you know, I want

713
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 5: to you know, I'm going to break. I'm exhausted. It's

714
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 5: really exhausting to live with the pain of it. And

715
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 5: I don't wish that upon anyone. So if happy Jack,

716
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 5: and if my son's legacy could prevent a family from

717
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 5: coming down this path, and I'm going to keep launching

718
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 5: product and raising money and creating awareness.

719
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 4: Bray, what do you say to people who ask you

720
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: what to say to their kids? And again, I mean,

721
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 4: I know it's about two issues here, right, they're spent

722
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: it all and there's mental illness. But you know parents

723
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: that are sending their kids to college, and I don't

724
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 4: know if there is anything to completely prevent this from happening.

725
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 4: But is there are there things that you're tell you

726
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 4: that the.

727
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 5: I mean that it's I will say, And there's there's

728
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 5: different stats on this. So right now, I had heard

729
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 5: from the DEA that it's seven out of ten pills

730
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 5: are at least right or have a lethal amount. So

731
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 5: if you literally say to your child, if someone's giving

732
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 5: you an adderall to stay off and you don't know

733
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 5: where that adderall has been, look at yourself in the

734
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 5: mirror and say, I have a seventy percent chance of

735
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 5: not waking up in the morning, would you take that pill?

736
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the reality of it, even if it's

737
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 5: one and six or what I mean, the statistics are

738
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 5: so high, the probability is so high that it's almost

739
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 5: like you'd have to be really unintelligent not to have

740
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 5: that meaning.

741
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: Because they are kids are stupid.

742
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 5: That's that's my son was one of them. I'm not

743
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 5: gonna lie. Look, my son didn't know any better. But

744
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 5: he lived fearless. He fearlessly, he was He would have

745
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 5: done anything, jump off a cliff, jump, dive into a

746
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 5: pool from a roof. I mean that's how he lived.

747
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 5: I don't think he would have lived any differently, but

748
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 5: I could. I can't guarantee your child's not going to

749
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 5: but I could try. I would also say, you know what,

750
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 5: if your kid's going to school and they're having such

751
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 5: extreme mental health struggles, pull them at a school, Like

752
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 5: not every kid is going to take the same path

753
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 5: in life. Right in our heads we say like, Okay,

754
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 5: they're gonna go to college, they're gonna get a job,

755
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 5: they're going to live in the city, they're gonna But

756
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 5: it doesn't work that way. So I don't know, maybe

757
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 5: I should have pulled Jack at a school when he wasn't.

758
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: Your story should have like, I know.

759
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 5: I know, I can see it.

760
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's like, it's like you're telling the story.

761
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: What do you think that?

762
00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 4: Like both my kids, Rachel had a great time just

763
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: three years her senior year, she was unhappy. Whatever that

764
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 4: looks like unhappy? My son was unhappy at times in college.

765
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: He for a year.

766
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 4: This was a bad I mean, I don't know. It's

767
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 4: a hard thing to figure out, right, I mean.

768
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 5: It just and it's like once you put yourself out

769
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 5: there like I do on TikTok, I have like seventy

770
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 5: thousand followers, so like there are people who are like

771
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 5: who blame me? And I have to I have to

772
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 5: roll with that because if there's going to be people

773
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 5: like that, and I have to tune all of that

774
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 5: noise out in order to you guys know, with social media,

775
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 5: you have to tune all of that noise out.

776
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: Locked, de lea, blocked, deleap any Can it be in

777
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: something you smoke? Is it only in pill form something

778
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: that gets cut?

779
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 5: I mean lately i've here I'm hearing that it's also

780
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 5: in marijuana. There is. There are so many dispensaries out there,

781
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 5: but they're not all licensed dispensaries. So you really have

782
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 5: to know if a dispensary is licensed or not. Like

783
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 5: I'll even say to my daughter who's almost twenty two, like,

784
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 5: if you're gonna smoke, it has to come from a

785
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 5: licensed dispensary. You have to know. You can't say like, oh,

786
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 5: my friend got it from a friend. They're okay, they know,

787
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 5: like no, yeah, no, Like like I look at mac Miller.

788
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 5: My son idolizes mac Miller. Yeah, you think he's a celebrity.

789
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 5: He has all this money, He would only get clean shit.

790
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 5: He died the same way. It just doesn't work that way.

791
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 5: Fentanyl doesn't care how much money you have, who the

792
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 5: hell you are, if you're a celebrity, if you're not,

793
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 5: it just there's it doesn't matter.

794
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: And in this country, do you know how many people

795
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: a year are affected by this?

796
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 5: I mean they say, like a clane full of people

797
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 5: a day.

798
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: What, oh my god? And is the government doing things?

799
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: Are you involved?

800
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 5: Oh yeah? I mean look at look there are people

801
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 5: who pro truy anti Trump. But at least he's trying, right,

802
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 5: at least he's trying. You, we're gonna put enough tariffs

803
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 5: on China, maybe they'll it'll affect change in the supply

804
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 5: and demand. You're gonna close the borders, maybe it'll prevent

805
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 5: substances from coming through. I do feel like he's trying.

806
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 5: You know, people are like as long as they're that,

807
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 5: you know, supply and demand, As long as there's demand

808
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 5: they'll always be supply. But it doesn't mean that we

809
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 5: can't try.

810
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: You have to try. There's no what else I mean.

811
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 5: You know, So I I'm okay with Trump for those

812
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 5: reasons alone.

813
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: Ray, how's Drew your daughter?

814
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 5: Sherew's my daughter, She's my reason for being. I love her.

815
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 5: She's my happy place. My daughter and I actually have

816
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 5: been like approached by other kids saying like, how do

817
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 5: I help my parent? And you know, I say to them, like,

818
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 5: you will always, you will forever be your parents' happy place,

819
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 5: like she just will. And I she's doing good.

820
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 2: She's she's doing I know she's doing good.

821
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 5: She's got a job, she is a huge personality. She

822
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 5: has also has a lot of friends. I encourage her

823
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 5: to go to therapy again. She's twenty two. She'll do

824
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 5: with it what she will. But I love my kids unconditionally,

825
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 5: and I love the same way Jack did. I love.

826
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 5: When I love, I love, And if she needs me,

827
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 5: I go to her and and I told her no

828
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 5: matter where I am, I will always find her. And

829
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 5: she knows that. She knows that.

830
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: So I'm in all of you. I'm so sorry for

831
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 3: your pain. I can't imagine, but your strength is unbelievable.

832
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 5: Thank you.

833
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 4: By the way, guys, I mean all of us. I

834
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 4: think it's helpful just to hear about the mental health thing.

835
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 4: It's so it's not just kids, right, it's us. I mean,

836
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 4: it's me. When I was a kid, it was it

837
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 4: took a different form, but then I didn't get the

838
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 4: help for it that I needed. Back in the day,

839
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 4: when I was in college, i had crazy. It was

840
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 4: more it's all in the same umbrella, but it was

841
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 4: more anxiety than it was depression, debilitating anxiety. And I mean,

842
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 4: I've been through so many different therapists until I you know,

843
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 4: this my current one that I've been with for years

844
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 4: and years. I didn't meet her until I was until

845
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 4: my kids were twelve, and you know, my daughter has

846
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 4: just been diagnosed with diabetes. Anyway, the point is that

847
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 4: like there there are things. There are so many things.

848
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 4: And I'm a big medication fan when it comes to

849
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 4: mental illness.

850
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: I mean, and Bray, you and I have spoken about this.

851
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 4: I mean, you've had your own, you know, dealings before Jack, right,

852
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 4: with mental illness. I mean, it's bitch, but I feel

853
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 4: like there's I used to be very very very aware

854
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 4: of it. I guess, especially when it comes to your kids,

855
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 4: because there are there are answers, right, there's the.

856
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 5: There's Anne's Look, genetics come into play, right, if you

857
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 5: have mental health illness in your family, there's a higher

858
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 5: chance that it'll you know, trickle down the bloodline. And

859
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 5: you know, I certainly do I think about you know,

860
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 5: my daughter has children. I mean I hope that their

861
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 5: mental health is okay. And I I used to you know, look,

862
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 5: there was such a stigma against kids taking medication back

863
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 5: in the day, and I didn't want my kid to

864
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 5: take medication. Do you remember, like in the sleepway camps,

865
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 5: you're like, oh, well they the kids would be like

866
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 5: they leave to go get a ill or they go

867
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 5: to mind.

868
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 4: Well, my kids will leave do a good growth hormoney

869
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 4: and insulin.

870
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 5: They go to them. They're lining up like nobody right,

871
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 5: this stigma is gone, and you know they say, like,

872
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 5: if you were physically ill, you would take medication. So

873
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 5: if you're emotionally not well, and it's not just like

874
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 5: I'm sad, I'm going to take a pill, it's that

875
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 5: underlying sadness that I told you that you can't look.

876
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 5: I remember my mother looking at me and saying like,

877
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 5: what is it? Why are you so unhappy? Like what

878
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 5: did you this? Did do that? And she did what

879
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 5: I did, Like you try and find the thing, because

880
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 5: as a parent, all you want to do is fix

881
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 5: the problem, and you cannot. You can't fix it. I tried,

882
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 5: My mother tried, like but when I went on medication

883
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 5: and found the right medication, I got my life back.

884
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: Me too, me too.

885
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 5: So you know, one hand, I'm saying, don't take medication.

886
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 5: On the other hand, I'm saying, take medication.

887
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: Hey, that's prescribed by a doctor that you're picking up

888
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 4: at CVS.

889
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 3: Very different, And I'm going to sit down and have

890
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: a talk with my kids because I didn't know any

891
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 3: of this, and I didn't know how prevalent it was,

892
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: and that alone could change the trajectory of their lives.

893
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 4: So thank you for that was our whole I remember,

894
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 4: just yeah, after Jack passed, all of us were like

895
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 4: and our kids wore the same age as Jack, and

896
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 4: we're all like, do you understand not once, not even once?

897
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 4: Can you take a pill? That's never? It is not

898
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 4: that world never.

899
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: So where can people find out more about the charity,

900
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 3: How can they get involved, how can they help it grow.

901
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 5: So the site my son created is called Happyjackworld dot

902
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 5: com and there's a donation link, you know, right on

903
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 5: the site. But it makes me happy when people buy

904
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 5: his designs and I get to see the kids in

905
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 5: college at parties and all that, like wearing Happy Jack

906
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 5: shirts or Happy Jack has.

907
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: By the way, they're the best. I cannot believe that.

908
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm so stupid. I didn't put on my sweats today.

909
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 3: I have.

910
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: Literally, they're my favorite.

911
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 4: They're not like shitty sweats, like qually heavy, fabulous sweats,

912
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 4: Rachel Wars like lit'sten my hands.

913
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: We did.

914
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: It's just it's not just half webpads. They're amazing. Yeah,

915
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: they're so great.

916
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 5: It's you know. We were donated a pop up store

917
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 5: in South Street Seaport right after my son passed, and

918
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 5: we had all of his artwork and we had this

919
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 5: amazing wall where people would come in and write about

920
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 5: their mental illness and people come in just read the

921
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 5: balls and we sold merchandise and it was like one

922
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 5: of the best things that if I could do that

923
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 5: all over again, I would. I would do it because

924
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 5: I think once people hear the story from me from

925
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 5: a mother and people see my son's face, you know,

926
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 5: like I want I don't want it to just be

927
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 5: a story. I want them to like, look at my son.

928
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 5: He was nineteen years old. You know, he played lacrosse.

929
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 5: He plays it like he Yeah, he's no different, no different.

930
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 5: So I think that it's once you make it as

931
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 5: real as you can for these kids and have it

932
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 5: not like sit down, Like look at his face. Look

933
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 5: at his initial posts on Happy Jack. He started this company,

934
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 5: not me. Go back on Instagram, you know, at a

935
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 5: Happy Jack world and look at his original posts. He'll

936
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 5: tell he was very He'll tell you I have anxiety,

937
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 5: I struggle with depression. I want to be the voice

938
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 5: for kids who have none. That was well him, and

939
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to continue what he started. And that's

940
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 5: why I am as transparent as I am today.

941
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 4: Okay, I love you madly. Over the Moon Beyond and

942
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 4: you guys were having an event in August, so we'll

943
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 4: both Brady and I both and Jackie obviously I'd love

944
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 4: to be there. Yeah, and a big fundraiser which we'll

945
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 4: talk more about. But I don't even what do you say, Brady,

946
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 4: I just I love you. I'm in awe of you,

947
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,959
Speaker 4: your pain is our pain.

948
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 5: You know, I love you dearly. You know that. I

949
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 5: would just say, even if your kids tell you you're annoying,

950
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 5: keep talking, yeah, keep talking, going to you know, I sent,

951
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 5: I was the mom, I sent the videos, I pharted

952
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 5: all that shit that we you know, we all do, right.

953
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 5: Jack would say like, do you ever send me anything good?

954
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 5: I'm like, but it can happen, And He's like, man,

955
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 5: you worry too much. Well, I know.

956
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 4: Rachel's like, how many times do you send me a

957
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 4: video of Bret? How do I break out of my

958
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 4: car if it goes underwater? It's how many of those

959
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 4: who would have watched.

960
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 3: I didn't even think of that, Oh jeez, because they

961
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: come up and then you just forward forward for I know,

962
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: it's very scary.

963
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 5: The statistics are a bit higher with a fantastical but yeah,

964
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 5: I mean, anyone could reach out to me. I'm you know,

965
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 5: our email addresses on the site, their resources on the

966
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 5: site as well. We've had a ton of press coverage.

967
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 5: You know. I encourage everyone to speak out and own

968
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 5: who they are and just keep talking.

969
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 3: Thank you for everything that you do, because you could

970
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: have very easily just you know, crawled up in the

971
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: ball and and not let anyone see your face. And

972
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 3: you took the complete opposite route and decided to make

973
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 3: Jack's mission your mission. And you probably have saved so

974
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 3: many lives that you don't even know about.

975
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 5: I hope.

976
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm sure you have.

977
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 5: I hope.

978
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: I love you.

979
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 5: I love you more. Thank you, Brady, Thank you guys.

980
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 3: That was a description of my worst nightmare all of

981
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 3: all mothers. I just I don't know that I can

982
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: talk right now.

983
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 4: I know, well you have to because someone has to

984
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 4: close out the segment.

985
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: But I think, if anything, it will start a very

986
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 3: important conversation in my house that has never been had,

987
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 3: and I would guess a lot of people have never

988
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 3: had with their kids because you're.

989
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 4: Timing of this is really perfect in terms of like

990
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 4: you're sending your kids off to college soon.

991
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: I feel like that is just such well.

992
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 3: Also, they go to curious time, and you know, it's

993
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 3: so scary to think that people are so reckless with

994
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: other people's lives and to think of the amount of

995
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 3: pain that she has to carry every.

996
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 4: Day, every day, and it doesn't That's why I said

997
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 4: to her, how are you doing?

998
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: Are you? I say, stupid? Ship?

999
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,959
Speaker 4: Is it getting any better. No, it's not getting better.

1000
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 4: It's never going to get better. It'll get different, maybe

1001
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 4: not better, you know, all.

1002
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 3: Right, you're amazing for that event, and keep me posted,

1003
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 3: keep us well posted on the details, and it's so

1004
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 3: important and happy Jackie. Guys, So to happy Jack buy

1005
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 3: some merchant charity.

1006
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: Okay, lovey bye guys, Bye guys,