WEBVTT - 081724 How to Speak to Political Opposition Online (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with us, says, we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>the balance and defend the discourse from these hip hop

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<v Speaker 1>weekly studios. Welcome back to Civic Cycer Army host ramses

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<v Speaker 1>job he.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Rams Jo, I am q Ward. You are hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>still tuned in the Civic ccycler him.

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<v Speaker 1>Not, then, Welcome to the show. We're having a good

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<v Speaker 1>time here. We are joined by Brandy Irvin and Talley

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<v Speaker 1>hornback from the Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority. In corporate reading.

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<v Speaker 1>We were having a conversation about a Kamala Harris rally

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<v Speaker 1>that recently took place here in Arizona, and now we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to spend the next part of the show

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out how to have conversations with people who disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with us politically speaking online. So buckle up because q

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<v Speaker 1>is going to give us all the game that we

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<v Speaker 1>saw him deploy.

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<v Speaker 2>And last week.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep positioning that, Yeah, witness, I witnessed a master at

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<v Speaker 1>work and you will you will learn his secrets today,

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<v Speaker 1>So please stick around for that and so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get there, let's discuss b A b

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to share a letter. You know, BABA is

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<v Speaker 1>a segment that we dedicate to people who have done

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<v Speaker 1>great things, and people have done nice things and whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But this really is just about being who you are

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<v Speaker 1>and coming as you are and doing what you can.

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<v Speaker 1>And this happened. Q doesn't know this, but I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>share it. We got a letter from a lady named

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<v Speaker 1>Laura says Hi Rams's jaw Q. I was listening to

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<v Speaker 1>your most recent show on KOPN, Columbia, Missouri. You were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about getting some hate mail. It's no surprise in

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<v Speaker 1>this crazy time, speaking the truth puts you right in

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<v Speaker 1>the cross heres. I wanted to send you a different

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<v Speaker 1>kind of note from a white person, as it were.

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<v Speaker 1>I always appreciate your show and was completely caught by

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<v Speaker 1>surprise when you asked the question about the magic wand

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<v Speaker 1>would you rather have cheap gas, cheap food, or cheap housing.

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<v Speaker 1>As a person who's never been insecure as far as

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<v Speaker 1>far as housing, my first thought was all three were

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<v Speaker 1>equal in value. I was so impressed by your explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>I see it everywhere I go in our town. Besides

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<v Speaker 1>the crazy market, everywhere, college students here have priced working

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<v Speaker 1>people out of affordable housing, and landlords rent to them

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<v Speaker 1>rather than take a housing voucher. Thanks for continuing the

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<v Speaker 1>good work of keeping us informed. Laura and Laura, the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that you are our baba this week is because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know what it means to have a kind

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<v Speaker 1>word sometimes when all the words that you hear are

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<v Speaker 1>either from the echo chamber of your own making. Q

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<v Speaker 1>and I we spend a lot of time together, or

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<v Speaker 1>the words from social media, where our algorithm puts us

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<v Speaker 1>with people that would probably rather see us and our

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<v Speaker 1>children dead if they have their way. So this letter

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<v Speaker 1>means a lot, and we want to say thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for being a better ally. Now we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>to take some time to have Q tell us a story.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have some some some action steps that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to a little bit later.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Something, Let me set you up. Let me set you

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<v Speaker 1>up a little better than now. You deserve better than

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<v Speaker 1>that Q.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Q.

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<v Speaker 1>You know we're we're friends on social media, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>and he put up a post of something that he

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<v Speaker 1>should have been very excited about. We had press credentials

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the Kamala Harris rally in Arizona. And

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<v Speaker 1>I understand and respect that no matter what, politics is

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<v Speaker 1>complicated and you have one person that's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>all things to all people, right, I understand and see

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<v Speaker 1>that entirely. But for some people who get excited, reasonably

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<v Speaker 1>excited about a person that they see the themselves in,

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<v Speaker 1>or that they see, you know whatever, or that if

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<v Speaker 1>this candidate makes the people around me happy, if Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harrison makes my little sister happy, gets what I'm happy,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the end of the sentence. Doesn't matter, because my

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<v Speaker 1>sister's the most important person to me. There are people

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<v Speaker 1>who will jump in and try to rob you of

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<v Speaker 1>that moment, rob you of that joy. And Q is

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<v Speaker 1>one of these people that approaches social media very cautiously.

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<v Speaker 1>You might if you follow our social media, you might

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<v Speaker 1>see my afro on a lot more pictures than you

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<v Speaker 1>see Q's beanie. But because you know, we we have

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<v Speaker 1>our difference. Accused strengths are in certain places and my

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<v Speaker 1>strengths are in others. That doesn't mean that I'm invincible,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will never let my brother fall on a

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<v Speaker 1>sword that I can take myself right. And we have

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<v Speaker 1>this approach to each other. Well, in the common section

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<v Speaker 1>of a post that he put up where he was

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<v Speaker 1>sharing the credentials of that that rally against something that

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<v Speaker 1>we would have never anticipated or expected that we would

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<v Speaker 1>even be a part of, much less. Hey, you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, come up to the front, you stand right here.

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<v Speaker 1>You got good audio, you know that sort of thing

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<v Speaker 1>where we're the like kind of the important people around.

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<v Speaker 1>They're making sure we're taken care of. To be proud

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<v Speaker 1>of that and to be happy and excited about a

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<v Speaker 1>candidate that is a little bit closer to our age

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of has some of some of our sensibilities

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<v Speaker 1>are shared with this candidate. There's there's nothing wrong with

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<v Speaker 1>c sharing a little bit about that moment. Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>tagged in in the post in question, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of the comments that people were sharing,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I'm not a social media person like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I posted ghost because I ain't here for it either.

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<v Speaker 1>But I noticed that there was one person that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of kept coming back, coming back, coming back, and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what that means. There's a discussion, and if

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<v Speaker 1>it's a discussion online, it's not really a discussion, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm going to turn it over to Q

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of take it from there and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what was happening, and then of course I

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<v Speaker 1>want you both to chime in if and when you

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<v Speaker 1>feel that it's appropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>So interesting to be positioned as some sort of social

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<v Speaker 2>media expert, especially with regard to non constructive dialogue. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of my personal friends noticed that for about four years

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<v Speaker 2>I was completely absent from social media. There was no Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>there was no Instagram, there was no Facebook, there was

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<v Speaker 2>no nothing, because I went through what they now call bullying,

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<v Speaker 2>but back then it was just mean people. But there

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<v Speaker 2>were thousands of mean people because of something that I

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<v Speaker 2>went through in my personal life that brought an audience

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<v Speaker 2>with it. In real life, there's not much that I

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<v Speaker 2>can't stand up to. I show up completely as myself

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<v Speaker 2>in spaces, in person, and in most cases, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>by most, I mean like ninety nine percent, you'll get

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most pleasant people you've ever encountered, unless, however,

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<v Speaker 2>you run a foul of someone that I care about,

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<v Speaker 2>and then as justly as I could possibly show up,

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<v Speaker 2>a different version of me avails itself. But again, those

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<v Speaker 2>encounters are rare in person, because most people in person

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<v Speaker 2>are not as bout it about it as they would

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<v Speaker 2>have you believe they are online. In recent years, since

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<v Speaker 2>Ramses and I stepped away from the entertainment side of

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<v Speaker 2>our career into the social justice and activist space, the

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<v Speaker 2>type of interactions that we get from followers and listeners

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<v Speaker 2>and people who would, as Ramses you know so eloquently put,

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<v Speaker 2>would probably rather the worst outcomes for us. People that

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<v Speaker 2>look like us and those that we care about, they

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<v Speaker 2>show up in a way that's very very aggressive, very

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<v Speaker 2>very negative, and very very mean. So from the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the show, I've kind of not engaged at all

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<v Speaker 2>with our comment section, But as the show grew, so

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<v Speaker 2>did the comment section, and once it became something that

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<v Speaker 2>was noticeable, I removed myself as an admin from our website,

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<v Speaker 2>from our socials, and deleted social media apps from my

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<v Speaker 2>phone with regards to my personal accounts, cause I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't do well with the negative discourse online. This hit

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<v Speaker 2>me more specifically and more personally when Donald Trump became president,

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<v Speaker 2>because there have been topics and things throughout our collective

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<v Speaker 2>lives that black people used to be united on, Like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years ago, I wouldn't have had to wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>any of my friends supported Donald Trump. It would have

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<v Speaker 2>been a very obvious no, like every black person I

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<v Speaker 2>knew would have been in solidarity on that point. The

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<v Speaker 2>reason why I know that's true is because OJ Simpson

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<v Speaker 2>was on trial for something that most people know he

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<v Speaker 2>was on trial for, and without having to gather facts,

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<v Speaker 2>without having to have a meeting, black people kind of

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<v Speaker 2>unilaterally and collectively supported him. That was not because we

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<v Speaker 2>knew OJ was a great manner that we knew that

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<v Speaker 2>he was innocent. We just knew what black people's relationships

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<v Speaker 2>were like law enforcement, and in the wake of Rodney king.

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<v Speaker 1>O, J.

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<v Speaker 2>Simpson presented himself as a symbol that black people could

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<v Speaker 2>unify and say, Okay, not this time. We probably didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do that correctly. However, the reason why we showed up

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<v Speaker 2>the way that we did was obvious. We had been

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<v Speaker 2>under the thumb of law enforcement in this country since

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<v Speaker 2>the law enforcement was created. Absolutely so when we watched

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<v Speaker 2>a black man in the name of Rodney King be

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<v Speaker 2>the victim of police violence on video and there be

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<v Speaker 2>zero accountability for it. The next time a black man,

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<v Speaker 2>especially a famous black man, was put in a position

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<v Speaker 2>where it was him versus the LAPD, collectively black people

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<v Speaker 2>just said, Okay, we're riding with him on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>That group of black people would not have in any

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<v Speaker 2>way stood for the type of candidate that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>was because once upon a time he was a celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>that black people kind of shouted out, you know, once

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<v Speaker 2>upon upon a time Nelly dropped his name in one

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<v Speaker 2>of the biggest hip hop songs ever. But as we learned,

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<v Speaker 2>but as we learned more about him and especially his

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote politics, because that's an interesting way to put it,

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<v Speaker 2>because he doesn't politic He doesn't give you policy, he

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<v Speaker 2>does not legislate. He just sow's division and hate. When

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<v Speaker 2>that happened, I, you know, all of mine, Naivete showed

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<v Speaker 2>up very upset about that result and expected people that

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<v Speaker 2>I care about and that I know to feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I felt. But oh, contrere, monfrere, and people who look

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<v Speaker 2>like you, yes, but even people that don't. Right, if

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<v Speaker 2>you know me and you've met me, and you've held

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<v Speaker 2>my child, my Mexican and black child. That's important to

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<v Speaker 2>say because when these people are screaming build that wall,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you would expect that that wouldn't be something

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be happy about if you're somebody that claims to

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<v Speaker 2>care about me. So, as my dms started to fill

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<v Speaker 2>up with people who look like me and those that

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<v Speaker 2>don't in defense of all the great things Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>had done for black people, Okay, I got to get

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<v Speaker 2>off of this thing again. And you know, most recently,

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<v Speaker 2>as Civic Cipher has grown way beyond what Ramses and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought when we were just trying to get on

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the night on Saturdays to give

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<v Speaker 2>people like yourselves a platform to talk about important moments

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<v Speaker 2>like this. We did not know we would then end

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<v Speaker 2>up on the radio and seventy six cities and growing

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<v Speaker 2>and across digital platforms from every way that you can

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<v Speaker 2>access digital media. As your audience grows, so do those

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<v Speaker 2>that oppose you. So two separate people made their way

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<v Speaker 2>onto my wall as we used to call it, or

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<v Speaker 2>comments section.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about the lady first and the back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>because this part is really important and how hitting her

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<v Speaker 1>with facts and so versus and all that stuff. How

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't do anything just because I want people to

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<v Speaker 1>relate to that. I think that's important.

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<v Speaker 2>So people would have to understand. I was a DJ

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<v Speaker 2>for eleven years, and at the height of my DJ career,

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<v Speaker 2>I became the full time official and arena DJ for

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<v Speaker 2>the Phoenix Suns and I got to do a radio

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<v Speaker 2>show with my best friend. But a radio show CARDI

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<v Speaker 2>b Tickets, Migos, Underground hip Hop, like everything that you

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<v Speaker 2>would expect from a hip hop radio show. It's fun,

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<v Speaker 2>it's celebratory, it's not overly serious. It's definitely not political,

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<v Speaker 2>except George Floyd was murdered and talking about that on

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<v Speaker 2>the radio put me and Ramses in a position where

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<v Speaker 2>we had to make some very interesting career decisions. So

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<v Speaker 2>when I go from that to being press credential to

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<v Speaker 2>cover the rally for what might be the first black

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<v Speaker 2>female president in our country's history, I feel damn proud

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<v Speaker 2>about that. And I simply shared that I was press

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<v Speaker 2>at the Kamala Harris tim Wall's rally. I did not

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<v Speaker 2>endorse the candidate. I did not implore people to vote

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<v Speaker 2>for her, just really celebrating a moment for myself sidebar.

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<v Speaker 2>Pay attention to the party that's imploring people to register

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<v Speaker 2>to vote in general, one party saying registered to vote.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not even saying vote for me, just register to

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<v Speaker 2>vote and vote. The other parties not saying that, not

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<v Speaker 2>even to vote for them. So that's just something that

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<v Speaker 2>we should pay very close attention to. And this young

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<v Speaker 2>lady who I will not name, commented, wonder how many

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<v Speaker 2>people were really there, as the photoshop photos in front

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<v Speaker 2>of the Air Force too had no reflection of people

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<v Speaker 2>in them. Now, what Ramses had to teach me to do,

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<v Speaker 2>God bless my brother is give people the benefit of

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<v Speaker 2>the doubt, because I be ready. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, some things are black and white, not gray.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. People that are listening, y'all

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<v Speaker 2>can't see my face, but you know what I'm saying too.

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<v Speaker 2>So I said, you know what, maybe in good faith,

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<v Speaker 2>this young lady was fooled by one of those photoshopped images,

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<v Speaker 2>because anybody can be fooled by that stuff. Not all

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<v Speaker 2>people are here intentionally for the propaganda. They just end

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<v Speaker 2>up victim to it. Somebody that was louder than me

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<v Speaker 2>told them something, so they think it's true. So let

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<v Speaker 2>me just educate her. Because I was there. I can

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<v Speaker 2>just show her a first hand account that's not photoshopped

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<v Speaker 2>and that there were really thousands of people.

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<v Speaker 1>There, nineteen thousand something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>And.

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<v Speaker 2>My photo and video and comment from first hand accounts.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you see this press thing, we're not enough for her,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is when you start to see that this

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<v Speaker 2>is something else. Her response to me, saying, so, the

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<v Speaker 2>problem with the photoshop conspiracy theory is that we have

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<v Speaker 2>live video footage of Air Force two arriving and of

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<v Speaker 2>all of the rallies in this case, I was there,

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<v Speaker 2>not photoshop. But you have fun with that. Her response,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just make a left here because we're not in

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<v Speaker 2>the same reality and we don't agree with what facts are. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>she's the VP, now, why is she waiting to maybe

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<v Speaker 2>win and not making changes now? So we're not even

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<v Speaker 2>going to acknowledge the photoshop myth that we just debunked.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just going to change the goal. We'll move the

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<v Speaker 2>goal post. Let's talk about something completely different and deflect.

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<v Speaker 2>And at this point I quit. But I have a

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<v Speaker 2>brother here, and he presented her with credible sourced articles

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<v Speaker 2>and at this point, I'll spend all day trying to

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<v Speaker 2>read all of these responses for her because she's very

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<v Speaker 2>committed to nothing's real. And oh you're one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were somebody who might have been taken

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<v Speaker 2>advantage of. And this is what I mean when I

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<v Speaker 2>say some people show up and they're kind of ashamed

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<v Speaker 2>to be make America great again from the jump, they

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<v Speaker 2>need to kind of be.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't want to make it about them. They want

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<v Speaker 1>to make it about how you're wrong, not how they're right. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so so let me jump in here because so for

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<v Speaker 1>this one woman, as Q mentioned, she would kind of

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<v Speaker 1>move the goal post. And moving that goal post meant

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<v Speaker 1>that now we have a new thing to engage with.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the things I want folks to take

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<v Speaker 1>from this is when where I chose to engage because

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<v Speaker 1>I know Q is that's not his thing. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>I I have a little bit more reserves there, not

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, but I have a little bit more. And

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<v Speaker 1>that feeling of like somebody coming and saying some comment

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<v Speaker 1>and they're wrong and you just letting it live. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's hard for me. That's hard for a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>us because you're wrong and I got to tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a slippery slow as we'll get to. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say anything to her anything at all. I

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<v Speaker 1>just provided links. So when she said, well, what about

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala hair dored doing this? And then I would send

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<v Speaker 1>her a link and then she'd be like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's CNN, that's the Clinton News Network, and there's tons

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<v Speaker 1>of links. That's just the first one that I found. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm starting to see, Okay, this person is not

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<v Speaker 1>looking for credible evidence. So then she moves the goal

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<v Speaker 1>post again. So then I say, you know, before you

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<v Speaker 1>hit the rest of these MAGA talking points, here's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole Time magazine article debunking all these popular MAGA myths

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<v Speaker 1>about Kamala Harris. Right, So then I submit that and

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<v Speaker 1>then she responds saying, oh, well this must be true

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<v Speaker 1>because I have a link to it. And the link

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<v Speaker 1>said Tim Wall's YouTube parody account parody of Tim Wall's

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<v Speaker 1>song or something, the title parody in the title. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even click it.

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<v Speaker 3>But it said parody YouTube and not likedible news.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone has that's anchored to some a journalistic credibility. So

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm what I've started to see and what this is.

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<v Speaker 1>This happens quite a bit, but to see us kind

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<v Speaker 1>of go through it and see mentally where a person

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<v Speaker 1>could take you, I started realizing, you know what, this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that a lot of people are going through

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<v Speaker 1>right now, especially people who are in support of Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 1>in the midst of this these crazy disinformation campaigns, in

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<v Speaker 1>the midst of these bots, in the midst of all

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<v Speaker 1>of this misinformation, as I mentioned, disinformation, to try to

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<v Speaker 1>defend their position, their intelligence, their integrity as a voter,

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<v Speaker 1>as a conscious being in this society. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>came up with some action steps that I saw Q

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<v Speaker 1>take and that I kind of jumped in and took too.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is this is not the first time we're

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<v Speaker 1>having this conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>But I can just make a quick comment, Yes, I

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<v Speaker 3>know when you know it was it was initially Trump

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<v Speaker 3>on the ballot years ago. I had a similar conversation

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<v Speaker 3>and I can't recall you know who who shared their insight,

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<v Speaker 3>but I walked away with recognizing, I guess learning and

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of these instances, right, we're talking about fat

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<v Speaker 3>versus opinion or an emotions or alternative factor emotions, Right,

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of folks on the other side who do

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<v Speaker 3>throw this away, right, you're putting things in their face.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to recognize that this is tied to who

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<v Speaker 3>they are at the deepest core, at their identity. So

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<v Speaker 3>you're trying to change more than just an opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Yes, So here's some advice that I think you

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<v Speaker 1>want to take with you, some action steps. Number one,

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<v Speaker 1>just don't engage. Number one, just don't engage. Right, If

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<v Speaker 1>you can find it within yourself, don't do it. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you must, know that it's a war that you

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<v Speaker 1>need to win, not a battle, So don't give all

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<v Speaker 1>your attention to this one. That's good. Keep a cool head,

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<v Speaker 1>cite your sources. You might end up learning something, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I found out that Trump didn't actually cut the CDC funding,

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<v Speaker 1>He just wanted it cut, and I had to apologize

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<v Speaker 1>for that on the air. Prepare for lots of cognitive dissonance,

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<v Speaker 1>and don't be afraid of the block button. So we'll

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<v Speaker 1>leave that one right there. As always, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much for tuning into Civic Cipher. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been your host Rams's job.

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<v Speaker 2>He is still Rams's job. I am most of the time. Qwar.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, and uh, thank thank you so much to our

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<v Speaker 1>guest Brandy Irvin to leyhorn Back, thank you for coming

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<v Speaker 1>in and uh for just being who you are, being

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<v Speaker 1>the women that we look up to, that protect us,

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<v Speaker 1>that keep us in position to be able to do

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<v Speaker 1>what it is we do. You inspire us and we're

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for the both of you being here. Just because

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<v Speaker 1>we have a few moments, we want to say it again. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the black woman is as close to God as we'll

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<v Speaker 1>ever be on this planet, and so the thanks is

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<v Speaker 1>never going to be enough, but we will say that

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<v Speaker 1>much and make sure that we share the audience.

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