WEBVTT - This Cult Sucks! 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:06.120 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:09.840 Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong is Joe Katty. 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:24.920 I'm Strong and Katty and he Armstrong and Getty. Fired 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.240 for my job. I was aspired for my job. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.160 I was aspired for my job. I was as fired 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:31.200 from my job. 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:32.440 I was just. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.480 Fired from a job. I have nothing but this, nothing 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.280 but this hobsite, nothing any more. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:44.040 Nothing have nothing any more, nothing anymore, nothing. 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:54.080 Nothing other than that. How's it going, Jim, sir? This 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:58.240 is a Wendy's always amusing. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:03.520 That is a transgendery looking guy who lost his job 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.479 for posting online his glee over Charlie Cook being murdered 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:12.319 in cold blood. More on that multifaceted discussion, including the 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.000 whole transgender thing. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.319 We gottaing up. We got a text somebody who said, 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.840 my man and I went to a viagraa Boys concert 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.280 last night. They're a Swedish punk band. I don't know 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.760 their work, do you? I do not, Katie. I love 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:32.840 they are awesome. I love them. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.120 I saw them when they were a small band and 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.120 now they've just blown up. They're fantastic. Actually, we've played 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.679 them before on here. That song that goes sports. 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.120 Okay, Oh, you're right, the VIAGRAA boys have grown, have 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:51.800 they anyway? Ah, as musicians tend to be, you know how. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.640 This would be about an hour into the concert. The 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.920 lead singer started with we Live in Strange Times. I 0:01:57.920 --> 0:01:59.600 looked at my guy and I said, let's go. I 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.240 knew it was coming. The crowd was cheering. We were 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.600 walking out as he continued to have we live in 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.360 Strange times when our world leaders mourn the death of 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.840 a fascist. Oh, there you go, you're gooining one of 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.839 my Yeah. I mean, I go to concerts knowing that's 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:16.440 gonna happen. It's just whatever. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:23.120 So on a similar topic, I found this interesting is 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:29.400 a piece by James Lindsay about what excuse me why 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:35.120 cult beliefs don't stop when they're proved wrong? And you know, 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:40.560 this applies to all sorts of different cults or cultish 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.840 political you know, subcultures and that sort of thing. But 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.080 he's he starts, he's talking about in the nineteen fifties, 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.919 there was this UFO cult called the Seekers, and they 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.680 believed there was an impending catastrophe that would strike the world. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.320 On December twenty first, nineteen fifty four on that there 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.919 would be a gigantic global flood right out of the 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.919 Book of Genesis. As a cult, they engaged in lots 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:10.200 of rituals and awareness raising activities about the pending disaster. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:16.720 They believed it was aliens ufo cult. The aliens would 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:22.120 save the faithful seekers from the coming disaster. In particular, 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.639 the aliens would rescue the faithful seekers for trying to 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.079 warn people about the coming catastrophe. 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:28.560 So they are pretty public about this. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.280 And the scientists by the name of Leon Festinger wanted 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:37.360 to understand how cult beliefs operated, how they worked, and 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:43.120 so he infiltrated the cult, posing as a faithful seeker, 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.800 and he observed it through the lead up to the 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.720 Faithful Day. Additionally, he was positioned to observe and interview subjects. 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.600 When it turned out that that date nothing of the 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.400 sort had happened, and that day came and went and 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:57.480 nothing happened. 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.120 It didn't The world was not drowned by a flood 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.640 in nineteen fifty four. So this failed prediction marked a 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.000 crisis of faith for the seekers. So what they do? 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.080 Did they abandon their beliefs? No, they did not abandon 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:15.320 their beliefs. Except in a few individual cases who were like, ah, right, 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.520 you had me going there for a minute, but no flood, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:21.720 no dice. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.760 I am out. But most of this cult sucked. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.839 The vast majority of seekers experienced some form of emotional 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.320 crisis and emerged from it with a powerfully increased commitment 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:42.040 to the seekers beliefs. Infestinger the scientists was really intrigued. 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.720 Most of the seekers emerged firm and a new belief. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.400 They believed that their faith and devotion had saved humanity 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.120 because the aliens saw it and intervened to prevent the flood, 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.239 thus saving not just the seekers, but also humanity at large. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:01.640 Yay seekers. Now, anybody who's ever watched, for instance, the 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:09.560 QAnon phenomenon from a safe distance is familiar with this phenomenon. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.159 Trump is going to come in and save us, all 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.720 all right, Trump comes in and he, you know, says 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.320 there's really no dirt and Epstein files worth saying blah 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.880 blah blah, and you well know, see what happened was 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.560 they got to him and they blah blah blah. You 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:30.120 just adapt the beliefs. As Lindsay writes, it's obviously nonsense 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.080 getting back to the seekers, But it served as the 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.440 foundation for the psychology not just around cults, but around 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:39.479 conspiracy theories. What Festing are observed is that under certain conditions, 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.320 people do not abandon their conspiracy theories or cult beliefs 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:46.359 when prevented with solid, irrefutable evidence those beliefs are wrong. Instead, 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.560 they modify and repackage their beliefs in even more tenuous 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:54.240 ways so they can keep believing them. With the Seekers, 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.680 the aliens magically intervened blah blah blah. Who could check 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.960 this claim, Well, nobody, And that's the point. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:01.200 He explained. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.680 What happened with the seekers is formulating what's called the 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:07.680 theory to theory of cognitive dissonance, which a lot of 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.960 people have heard of but name may not fully understand. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:11.080 This is the guy who came up with this. 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.279 When our minds are occupied with two contradictory but strong 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.919 beliefs cult doctrine versus hard evidence, for INSTANCECE, a state 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:24.520 of great psychological discomfort and unrest called cognitive dissonance arises, and. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:27.560 You have two choices. 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.679 Essentially, one is to double down on the cult belief 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.760 for conspiracy theory, which is called rationalization, and the other 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:35.880 is to accept the hard facts of reality and repent 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:40.400 of your error, which is also psychologically painful, and long 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:45.680 story short and over again, the majority of people go 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.960 with the rationalization, and one of the key aspects of 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:53.200 that is that the new explanation is non falsifiable. 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:55.920 But it's just less painful. Is that just the main 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.479 reason that we do it. It's not painful to slightly 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.560 alter my mind belief and stick with it as opposed 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:05.720 to I was wrong this whole time, kind of embarrassed. 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:06.480 That's painful. 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.200 That's interesting, right, right, And actually Lindsay does a great 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:15.360 job of explaining that. The question here is why that 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.440 commitment is so deep that you stick with the group 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.840 and go with an unfalsifiable claim. I mean, for instance, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:27.280 you can't verify or deny that the aliens appreciated the seekers' 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.360 efforts and saved the world. How are you going to 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.720 stress test that assertion? That's the point. 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.280 Some of you atheists in the audience are applying this 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:35.120 to religion. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.320 Feel free however you want, and we can. I'll still 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.320 be friends and talk about it. But so Lindsey, here's 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.040 where he applies it more to the modern day. Being 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:50.280 socially locked into a cult is usually its primary holdover people, 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.200 particularly at first socially locked in. 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:54.960 Eventually the social lock. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.880 Will creep into one's own sense of identity through the 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:02.560 processes of psychosocial value on the self, meaning how do 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.640 I fit in as a valued member of the community? 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.680 I esteem who am I in relation to this community? 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.560 And just who am I in general? And at the 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.720 point when the cult defines your identity and your sense 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.760 of virtue and self worth, you're deep in and it's 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:21.040 hard to escape. This gets worse, he writes, in ideological, political, 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:26.440 and religious cult circumstances, especially rigid and militant ones like communism, fascism, 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.960 the woke left the woke right. Part of this is 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:34.440 psychosocial with a particularly vicious twist. You will be heavily 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:39.520 punished both socially and psychologically for any defection, both while 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.280 inside the cult and while attempting to leave it, and 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.920 you know it. In fact, you've probably participated in that 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.880 punishment rituals against others by the point of being fully 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.439 discussed in such a cult. So, in other words, not 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.880 only do you have to abandon your sense of self, 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:57.880 but all of your friends are going to beat the 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.880 crap out of you. First saying, for instance, look, maybe 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.680 Charlie Kirk was a bit of a jerk, but political 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:05.800 violence is sickening. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.160 They'll turn on you. So one of the things it's 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:14.920 interesting to me about that is you often assume there's 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.120 some sort of profit motive in somebody pushing you crap, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:23.760 but this person or group that they just needed something 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:24.280 to believe in. 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.360 That happens a lot, I guess with cults. Yeah, you 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.319 have a purpose for your life. You feel like you're 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:36.040 doing something important. Yeah, two more points. Framework to explain 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:44.360 the world, which is unexplainable, right right, frequently, Yeah, Lindsay writes, 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:49.400 because the conditions of an ideological totalitizing totalizing cult can 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.120 be so vicious to defectors. Rationalization is much easier road 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:57.320 in case of doubt or in countering contradictory evidence, and 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:02.760 most don't take it. Millions of people in communism, property 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.520 was destroyed, everything fell apart in a horrible war. The 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.319 last time we attempted a mass movement based on your 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:12.800 new world changing beliefs, mister Mumdannie, that's because the people 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.840 back then did it wrong and didn't believe in it 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:19.239 sincerely enough. Obviously, of course, this belief cannot be falsified. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.640 You can't prove it's wrong. And then where's the part 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.120 I really wanted? The Governor of New York endorsed mum Danmi. Yeah, 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:31.000 it did some big deal, unbelievable. All right, this is 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.839 long I'm sniping at. I made a cult. I need 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:35.840 to warm embrace of a cult. That might be just 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.880 the way to finish out my life. You got any 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:39.960 help me out with the search a little bit. It's 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.240 like a chat GPT search matter what aspects of the cult. 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:44.840 We're not going to go communism or something like it. 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.760 Maybe flat earth something something, something, not that big a deal, 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.720 not gonna harm anybody, just something to believe. Yeah. Oh, 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.400 and he points out where the heck is that. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:05.800 When being in the cult or being convinced of its 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:15.480 truth causes you to do terrible things, that makes your 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:21.000 need to rationalize even stronger. Of course, for instance, if 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:26.600 you got convinced that a teenage girl who just fears 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:32.520 puberty and sex is actually transgender and should get their 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.760 body mutilated and they should be fed powerful hormones, and 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.120 you approved that for your child. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.440 That's the most extreme example I can think of, because 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.600 it'd be hard to back down from that one. Am 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.280 I just embarrassing? Oh yeah? 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:52.520 Imagine how difficult it is to swallow that truth and 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:57.120 say I was wrong and I did these things and 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:58.199 I have caused this. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:04.439 Dad would be tough. It takes enormous emotional strength. About tupperware? 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:08.200 Is that a cult? Cultish? Certainly? I don't think it 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.560 exists anymore. Does That's right? They were not a business. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.800 But I mean, if the vast majority of people who 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.000 thought the space aliens were going to save us from 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:19.120 the flood couldn't deal with you know what, I got 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:23.000 defrauded here, they couldn't even like blame other people for 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.440 duping them. The vast majority stuck with it and invented 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:31.360 a new rationalization. Imagine if they had like sacrificed a 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.800 child to that belief. How hard is it to say 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:36.480 I was wrong? Right? 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.760 And that's one of the great challenges sanity has up 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:44.720 against with some of these up against some of these, 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:50.840 you know, neo Marxist, extremist, radical theory beliefs, people have 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.360 done terrible, terrible harm. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.480 Speaking of the whole trans thing, does it play an 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:01.760 important role and the death nation of Charlie Kirk or 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.079 is it just kind of coincidentally tangentially related or is 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.920 it like the thing We got more on that coming up. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.840 Stay here. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.600 I's already saying the suspect turned himself in after his 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.800 father recognized him in these surveyllance images and urged his 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.800 son to come forward. Law enforcement sources say the suspect 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.480 initially said no, but later changed his mind. 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.439 Man, So those same pictures that we saw when they 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.800 came out last week, Dad saw those and saw, holy crap, 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:32.520 that's my son. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.480 Yeah, and his friends online were like, dude, and he 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.160 was joking, my doppelganger did it. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.640 So it was obvious everyone but Dad knew it was him. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.920 And it's a conservative family, as a lot of families 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.680 are in Utah. Some of my guess is Dad knew 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.680 his son was off the rails. Yeah, politically, so saw 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.559 the picture, knew had been worried about his son, guaranteed 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:59.480 and his politics for a while. That's rough, by the way, 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.920 and when anybody bring this up, maybe this is not 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.439 worth even mentioning. But the whole we got him and 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:10.320 the FBI with their dragnet and everything. Dad recognized the 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.199 sun turned him in. I mean, that doesn't mean you're 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.720 not good FBI, But you didn't go out and catch 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.800 a guy Iden somewhere he turned himself in. I just 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:27.000 don't quite understand that narrative. But anyway, there's more to 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:28.360 the story you've probably heard. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.280 First of all, as the weekend began, they executed a 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.200 search warrant on the family. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.560 Home in Washington County, Utah. 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.760 It's about three or four hours from the side of 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.880 the shooting. The governor, though, says multiple people are talking here, 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.920 including the roommate of the suspect, who he describes as 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.800 incredibly cooperative. The roommate, he says, had no idea this 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.120 was happening, And he also says the roommate may have 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.960 been in a romantic relationship with Tyler Robinson, may have 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.400 been gender transitioning, But the governor says, there's no edication 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.120 or no idea yet that's at all relevant to this case. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.960 That it might not be relevant at all. We don't 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:06.720 know yet. But is it a coincidence, just like the 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:14.320 craziest coincidence ever, that he's in a romantic relationship with 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.440 somebody who's doing the whole transgender thing. And then the 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.480 moment a question is asked about transgender to Charlie Kirky 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:25.040 gets a bullet in the neck. Seems like a heck 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.400 of a coincidence. Well, it's a crazy, crazy thing to 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:35.360 do what he did the murder. So could he have 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.480 gone about it in a crazy, crazy way waiting for 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:41.920 the question that he found particularly objectionable, or knowing it 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.520 was practically inevitable that that would come up at a 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:53.200 Charlie kirk event and waiting for that moment. Again, that's crazy. Well, 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.480 but it would be crazy because that's not going to 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.800 make any difference in terms of what you're trying to accomplish. 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:02.760 It's going to make it more likely you get caught 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.960 if before you accomplish what you're trying to accomplish, Right, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:07.880 if you wait until the right question. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.280 Although it happened to happen very early in the pros 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:14.920 in the first question. Yeah, but somebody that sucked into 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:19.080 an online ideological cult, Yeah, they might do something that 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:21.920 strange and difficult to explain. 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.120 I suppose do you think the transgender thing it plays 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:25.520 a role in this at all? I do? 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:31.720 I do, Yeah, especially judging by the FBI's investigations. Some 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:38.080 other like transgender up with transgender social media accounts that 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:39.600 were all cheering this guy. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.320 Or knew him, or they were online. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:48.720 Together, and Charlie was well known as rejecting radical gender theory. 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.400 So yeah, I think it absolutely might play a role 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:57.080 and the reason for killing the guy, right, yeah, well, 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.640 and it might have affected the timing to I don't know. 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:04.920 And then you gotta wonder if it is if he 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.640 has connected to any other group of people like minded 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.520 that had a role in this, right, which would be who? 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.399 That'd be a big story if that turns out to 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:19.760 be true. We'll be following it Armstrong and Getty row. 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.000 Time leading up to this moment, as extreme gardener Alex 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.199 Bavish from Fort Wayne, Indiana goes for the record for 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:31.359 the world's tallest sunflower. Clover stands nearly thirty six feet tall. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.080 Over the course of three months, Clover grew ten inches 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.440 a day. As clover reaches up for the sun. Alex 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.440 is mindful of his own roots. Born and raised in Ukraine. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.760 Sunflower is a national flower of Ukraine, so it's special 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:45.000 to me. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.399 There you go, that's nice, So I needed that's what 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.639 we needed today story about the world's tallest sunflower named Clover. 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:55.840 It has a name. It's a plant with a name, 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.800 and the name is the name of a different plant. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:05.840 World's tallest sunflower. Huh, there you go, world's tallest shaka weed. 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:10.200 I call it corn. The hell thirty six feet is 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.720 pretty tall. That's a tall sunflower. All in tribute to 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:17.560 the poor people of Ukraine. Love it, confused, but love it. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:22.280 Now back to how the Great Civil War and death exactly? 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.200 We mentioned earlier in the show that the FBI is 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:29.760 investigating seven. I think it was social media accounts that 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:30.640 appeared to. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:37.399 Predict what was going to happen to poor Charlie Kirk, 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:42.280 and when at least one of those was directly tied 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:47.760 to or followed Charlie Kirk's allegedly trans I'm sorry, the 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:54.159 murderers allegedly trans romantic interest and roommate, and there seems 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.240 to be a circle of young radicals who really are 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.560 into the trans thing that wanted Charlie Kirk dead and 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.159 seem to know when it was going to happen. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:03.040 Who knows. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.000 There's a lot of crap on the internet, stop clock 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:07.880 is right twice a day, etc. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.520 So that's what we were referring to last segment. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.520 I thought this was great, as always from Nelly Bowles 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:18.720 of the Free Press talking about the aftermath and discussions online. 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:20.560 The rest of it a couple of things she writes, 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.080 And then came the New York Times obituary, a classic. 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.919 The headline, Charlie Kirk, right wing provocateur and close ally 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.639 of Trump, dies at thirty one. Right wing provocateur a 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.640 person trying to provoke if you think about it as 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.000 though there's no belief system behind it, just a provocateur 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.240 for the sake of it. In the mainstream media worldview, 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.760 there are two kinds of people. Those fighting for left 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:46.400 wing causes who are described as people of conviction, activists 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:50.119 for justice, deep believers inequality, and then there are those 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.760 fighting for right wing causes who are described as provocateurs, cynics, 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:59.760 racists and shills arch conservatives. They eventually changed the headline. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.760 Here's the New York Times obituary quote. He was so 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.800 vocal in his willingness to spread unsupported claims and outright lies. 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.480 He said that the drug hydroxychloroquin was one hundred percent 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.480 effective in treating the virus, which it is not that 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:17.359 Twitter temporarily banned him in early March twenty twenty, but 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.840 that move only added to his notoriety and seemed to 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:21.879 support his claim that he was being muzzled by a 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.760 liberal elite. Nelly writes, fascinating a man is murdered in 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.439 public in the middle of the day while practicing his 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.600 First Amendment rights, and the paper of record decides that 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.120 this must be the perfect moment to do some fact 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.280 checking about hydro oxy chloroquin. 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:41.639 That's an excellent point. What role does that play in 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.200 the story? Whatsoever? 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:43.720 Right? 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:45.359 What you need to know from this? 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.720 If your politics are that of a standard normy conservative man, 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.600 your New York Times obituary will find the various things 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.680 you said that weren't exactly right. He got into hydroxy 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.440 chloroquin in twenty twenty. Can you believe that? And they'll 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.480 paint them in the sky. My politics, he writes, are 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.600 lib centrist, and these people would certainly celebrate my death, 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.200 highlight my many errors and refer to my defense of 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.560 the sat test is my repeated advocacy for a return 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.640 to slavery or something. What I'm saying is, just try 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.160 to stay alive, because when you die, a New York 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:18.119 Times reporter gets to juice your corpse for likes. On 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:22.560 Blue Sky MSNBC will invite on talking heads to suggest 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:24.840 that the shooter could have been your mom who forgot 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:25.800 to put the safety on. 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:27.000 We simply don't know. 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.600 Then she talks about clicking on the blue sky to 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:36.400 see what was happening. I was served hundreds of posts 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:40.720 with people celebrating. I don't follow anyone, so this is 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.800 just what the standard blue sky algorithm wanted to show me. 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.520 Also dropping this right here, thirty four percent of college 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.359 students think political violence is acceptable, according to a Nurse 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.760 New survey. On Facebook, the first thing I saw was 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:57.000 an old journalist Buddy mocking Charlie and cheering his death. 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.680 We were talking early early in the show about how 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:06.040 wide spread that sort of thing is and how it's 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:11.360 difficult to know because the volume and algorithms of the Internet. 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:17.560 Right, Can we do a snap pole on it to 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.159 try to figure that out. Yeah, I don't know. I 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.000 don't know. It's so sick. I know that Mark Alprin 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.120 tweeted over the weekend. For the first day, I refused 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.080 to believe that anyone who was actually going on social 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.760 media to celebrate Charlie's murder. Then I realized there was, 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:34.520 in fact some of it but I assumed it was 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:37.639 a very small amount. Now I see how naive I was. 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.520 What is wrong with someone who would do that? Then 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:44.480 he tweeted, CNN and MSNBC are not taking the remarks 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.720 of Erica Kirk live. She spoke for the first time 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:52.280 and gave a speech. MSNBC and CNN did not carry it. 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.880 Takes a lot to surprise me. Mark Alpern wrote, this 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:59.920 is shocking the BBC is taking it live. Yeah, I 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.600 guess internally they thought they get too much blowback on 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:05.800 MSNBC if they let her speak. 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.399 Or the thing that surprises me over and over again, 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:13.200 maybe I'm a dope. Is that a lot of people 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:19.640 who are in a media bubble, social media bubble, they 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.720 believe the worst of what's being said. 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:26.760 They actually think it's true. They've never seen an alternative 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:30.600 point of view, and so maybe the person in charge 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:35.040 of it at NBC actually believed. I mean, I mentioned 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:40.240 a friend told me from the pulpit. Their minister in 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:45.960 church Sunday said, now, Charlie Kirk spread division and hate. 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:51.560 That was his career, but his murder is wrong and 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:54.760 we pray for his family. So they just repeated as 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.040 fact that that's what dude did, Man, i'd a got 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:00.879 up on a church and walked down. Yes, this friend 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:05.520 is not going to return. I believe that's unbelievable. What 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:09.359 a thing to say. Yeah, and again, even if we're true, 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.800