1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong is Joe Katty. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: I'm Strong and Katty and he Armstrong and Getty. Fired 4 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: for my job. I was aspired for my job. 5 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: I was aspired for my job. I was as fired 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: from my job. 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 3: I was just. 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: Fired from a job. I have nothing but this, nothing 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: but this hobsite, nothing any more. 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: Nothing have nothing any more, nothing anymore, nothing. 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: Nothing other than that. How's it going, Jim, sir? This 12 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: is a Wendy's always amusing. 13 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 4: That is a transgendery looking guy who lost his job 14 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 4: for posting online his glee over Charlie Cook being murdered 15 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 4: in cold blood. More on that multifaceted discussion, including the 16 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 4: whole transgender thing. 17 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: We gottaing up. We got a text somebody who said, 18 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: my man and I went to a viagraa Boys concert 19 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: last night. They're a Swedish punk band. I don't know 20 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: their work, do you? I do not, Katie. I love 21 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: they are awesome. I love them. 22 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 5: I saw them when they were a small band and 23 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 5: now they've just blown up. They're fantastic. Actually, we've played 24 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 5: them before on here. That song that goes sports. 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, you're right, the VIAGRAA boys have grown, have 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: they anyway? Ah, as musicians tend to be, you know how. 27 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: This would be about an hour into the concert. The 28 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: lead singer started with we Live in Strange Times. I 29 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: looked at my guy and I said, let's go. I 30 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: knew it was coming. The crowd was cheering. We were 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: walking out as he continued to have we live in 32 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: Strange times when our world leaders mourn the death of 33 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: a fascist. Oh, there you go, you're gooining one of 34 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 1: my Yeah. I mean, I go to concerts knowing that's 35 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: gonna happen. It's just whatever. 36 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: So on a similar topic, I found this interesting is 37 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 4: a piece by James Lindsay about what excuse me why 38 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 4: cult beliefs don't stop when they're proved wrong? And you know, 39 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 4: this applies to all sorts of different cults or cultish 40 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 4: political you know, subcultures and that sort of thing. But 41 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 4: he's he starts, he's talking about in the nineteen fifties, 42 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 4: there was this UFO cult called the Seekers, and they 43 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 4: believed there was an impending catastrophe that would strike the world. 44 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 4: On December twenty first, nineteen fifty four on that there 45 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 4: would be a gigantic global flood right out of the 46 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 4: Book of Genesis. As a cult, they engaged in lots 47 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 4: of rituals and awareness raising activities about the pending disaster. 48 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 4: They believed it was aliens ufo cult. The aliens would 49 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 4: save the faithful seekers from the coming disaster. In particular, 50 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 4: the aliens would rescue the faithful seekers for trying to 51 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 4: warn people about the coming catastrophe. 52 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: So they are pretty public about this. 53 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 4: And the scientists by the name of Leon Festinger wanted 54 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 4: to understand how cult beliefs operated, how they worked, and 55 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 4: so he infiltrated the cult, posing as a faithful seeker, 56 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 4: and he observed it through the lead up to the 57 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: Faithful Day. Additionally, he was positioned to observe and interview subjects. 58 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: When it turned out that that date nothing of the 59 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 4: sort had happened, and that day came and went and 60 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 4: nothing happened. 61 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: It didn't The world was not drowned by a flood 62 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty four. So this failed prediction marked a 63 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: crisis of faith for the seekers. So what they do? 64 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 4: Did they abandon their beliefs? No, they did not abandon 65 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 4: their beliefs. Except in a few individual cases who were like, ah, right, 66 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 4: you had me going there for a minute, but no flood, 67 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 4: no dice. 68 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: I am out. But most of this cult sucked. 69 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 4: The vast majority of seekers experienced some form of emotional 70 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 4: crisis and emerged from it with a powerfully increased commitment 71 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 4: to the seekers beliefs. Infestinger the scientists was really intrigued. 72 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 4: Most of the seekers emerged firm and a new belief. 73 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: They believed that their faith and devotion had saved humanity 74 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 4: because the aliens saw it and intervened to prevent the flood, 75 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 4: thus saving not just the seekers, but also humanity at large. 76 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 4: Yay seekers. Now, anybody who's ever watched, for instance, the 77 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 4: QAnon phenomenon from a safe distance is familiar with this phenomenon. 78 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 4: Trump is going to come in and save us, all 79 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 4: all right, Trump comes in and he, you know, says 80 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 4: there's really no dirt and Epstein files worth saying blah 81 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 4: blah blah, and you well know, see what happened was 82 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 4: they got to him and they blah blah blah. You 83 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 4: just adapt the beliefs. As Lindsay writes, it's obviously nonsense 84 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 4: getting back to the seekers, But it served as the 85 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 4: foundation for the psychology not just around cults, but around 86 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 4: conspiracy theories. What Festing are observed is that under certain conditions, 87 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 4: people do not abandon their conspiracy theories or cult beliefs 88 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 4: when prevented with solid, irrefutable evidence those beliefs are wrong. Instead, 89 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 4: they modify and repackage their beliefs in even more tenuous 90 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 4: ways so they can keep believing them. With the Seekers, 91 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 4: the aliens magically intervened blah blah blah. Who could check 92 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 4: this claim, Well, nobody, And that's the point. 93 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: He explained. 94 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 4: What happened with the seekers is formulating what's called the 95 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 4: theory to theory of cognitive dissonance, which a lot of 96 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 4: people have heard of but name may not fully understand. 97 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: This is the guy who came up with this. 98 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 4: When our minds are occupied with two contradictory but strong 99 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 4: beliefs cult doctrine versus hard evidence, for INSTANCECE, a state 100 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: of great psychological discomfort and unrest called cognitive dissonance arises, and. 101 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: You have two choices. 102 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 4: Essentially, one is to double down on the cult belief 103 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: for conspiracy theory, which is called rationalization, and the other 104 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 4: is to accept the hard facts of reality and repent 105 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: of your error, which is also psychologically painful, and long 106 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 4: story short and over again, the majority of people go 107 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 4: with the rationalization, and one of the key aspects of 108 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 4: that is that the new explanation is non falsifiable. 109 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: But it's just less painful. Is that just the main 110 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: reason that we do it. It's not painful to slightly 111 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: alter my mind belief and stick with it as opposed 112 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: to I was wrong this whole time, kind of embarrassed. 113 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: That's painful. 114 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 4: That's interesting, right, right, And actually Lindsay does a great 115 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 4: job of explaining that. The question here is why that 116 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 4: commitment is so deep that you stick with the group 117 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: and go with an unfalsifiable claim. I mean, for instance, 118 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 4: you can't verify or deny that the aliens appreciated the seekers' 119 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: efforts and saved the world. How are you going to 120 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 4: stress test that assertion? That's the point. 121 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: Some of you atheists in the audience are applying this 122 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: to religion. 123 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 4: Feel free however you want, and we can. I'll still 124 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 4: be friends and talk about it. But so Lindsey, here's 125 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 4: where he applies it more to the modern day. Being 126 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 4: socially locked into a cult is usually its primary holdover people, 127 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: particularly at first socially locked in. 128 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: Eventually the social lock. 129 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 4: Will creep into one's own sense of identity through the 130 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 4: processes of psychosocial value on the self, meaning how do 131 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 4: I fit in as a valued member of the community? 132 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: I esteem who am I in relation to this community? 133 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 4: And just who am I in general? And at the 134 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 4: point when the cult defines your identity and your sense 135 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 4: of virtue and self worth, you're deep in and it's 136 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 4: hard to escape. This gets worse, he writes, in ideological, political, 137 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 4: and religious cult circumstances, especially rigid and militant ones like communism, fascism, 138 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 4: the woke left the woke right. Part of this is 139 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 4: psychosocial with a particularly vicious twist. You will be heavily 140 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 4: punished both socially and psychologically for any defection, both while 141 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 4: inside the cult and while attempting to leave it, and 142 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 4: you know it. In fact, you've probably participated in that 143 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: punishment rituals against others by the point of being fully 144 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 4: discussed in such a cult. So, in other words, not 145 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 4: only do you have to abandon your sense of self, 146 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 4: but all of your friends are going to beat the 147 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: crap out of you. First saying, for instance, look, maybe 148 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk was a bit of a jerk, but political 149 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 4: violence is sickening. 150 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: They'll turn on you. So one of the things it's 151 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: interesting to me about that is you often assume there's 152 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: some sort of profit motive in somebody pushing you crap, 153 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: but this person or group that they just needed something 154 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: to believe in. 155 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 4: That happens a lot, I guess with cults. Yeah, you 156 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 4: have a purpose for your life. You feel like you're 157 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 4: doing something important. Yeah, two more points. Framework to explain 158 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 4: the world, which is unexplainable, right right, frequently, Yeah, Lindsay writes, 159 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 4: because the conditions of an ideological totalitizing totalizing cult can 160 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 4: be so vicious to defectors. Rationalization is much easier road 161 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 4: in case of doubt or in countering contradictory evidence, and 162 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 4: most don't take it. Millions of people in communism, property 163 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 4: was destroyed, everything fell apart in a horrible war. The 164 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 4: last time we attempted a mass movement based on your 165 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: new world changing beliefs, mister Mumdannie, that's because the people 166 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 4: back then did it wrong and didn't believe in it 167 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,239 Speaker 4: sincerely enough. Obviously, of course, this belief cannot be falsified. 168 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: You can't prove it's wrong. And then where's the part 169 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: I really wanted? The Governor of New York endorsed mum Danmi. Yeah, 170 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: it did some big deal, unbelievable. All right, this is 171 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: long I'm sniping at. I made a cult. I need 172 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: to warm embrace of a cult. That might be just 173 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: the way to finish out my life. You got any 174 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: help me out with the search a little bit. It's 175 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: like a chat GPT search matter what aspects of the cult. 176 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: We're not going to go communism or something like it. 177 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: Maybe flat earth something something, something, not that big a deal, 178 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: not gonna harm anybody, just something to believe. Yeah. Oh, 179 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: and he points out where the heck is that. 180 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 4: When being in the cult or being convinced of its 181 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 4: truth causes you to do terrible things, that makes your 182 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 4: need to rationalize even stronger. Of course, for instance, if 183 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 4: you got convinced that a teenage girl who just fears 184 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 4: puberty and sex is actually transgender and should get their 185 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 4: body mutilated and they should be fed powerful hormones, and 186 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 4: you approved that for your child. 187 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: That's the most extreme example I can think of, because 188 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: it'd be hard to back down from that one. Am 189 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: I just embarrassing? Oh yeah? 190 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 4: Imagine how difficult it is to swallow that truth and 191 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 4: say I was wrong and I did these things and 192 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 4: I have caused this. 193 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: Dad would be tough. It takes enormous emotional strength. About tupperware? 194 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: Is that a cult? Cultish? Certainly? I don't think it 195 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: exists anymore. Does That's right? They were not a business. 196 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: But I mean, if the vast majority of people who 197 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: thought the space aliens were going to save us from 198 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: the flood couldn't deal with you know what, I got 199 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: defrauded here, they couldn't even like blame other people for 200 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: duping them. The vast majority stuck with it and invented 201 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: a new rationalization. Imagine if they had like sacrificed a 202 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: child to that belief. How hard is it to say 203 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: I was wrong? Right? 204 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 4: And that's one of the great challenges sanity has up 205 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 4: against with some of these up against some of these, 206 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 4: you know, neo Marxist, extremist, radical theory beliefs, people have 207 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 4: done terrible, terrible harm. 208 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: Speaking of the whole trans thing, does it play an 209 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: important role and the death nation of Charlie Kirk or 210 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: is it just kind of coincidentally tangentially related or is 211 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: it like the thing We got more on that coming up. 212 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: Stay here. 213 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 6: I's already saying the suspect turned himself in after his 214 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 6: father recognized him in these surveyllance images and urged his 215 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 6: son to come forward. Law enforcement sources say the suspect 216 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 6: initially said no, but later changed his mind. 217 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: Man, So those same pictures that we saw when they 218 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: came out last week, Dad saw those and saw, holy crap, 219 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: that's my son. 220 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, and his friends online were like, dude, and he 221 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 4: was joking, my doppelganger did it. 222 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: So it was obvious everyone but Dad knew it was him. 223 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: And it's a conservative family, as a lot of families 224 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: are in Utah. Some of my guess is Dad knew 225 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: his son was off the rails. Yeah, politically, so saw 226 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: the picture, knew had been worried about his son, guaranteed 227 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: and his politics for a while. That's rough, by the way, 228 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: and when anybody bring this up, maybe this is not 229 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: worth even mentioning. But the whole we got him and 230 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: the FBI with their dragnet and everything. Dad recognized the 231 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: sun turned him in. I mean, that doesn't mean you're 232 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: not good FBI, But you didn't go out and catch 233 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: a guy Iden somewhere he turned himself in. I just 234 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: don't quite understand that narrative. But anyway, there's more to 235 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: the story you've probably heard. 236 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 7: First of all, as the weekend began, they executed a 237 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 7: search warrant on the family. 238 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: Home in Washington County, Utah. 239 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 7: It's about three or four hours from the side of 240 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 7: the shooting. The governor, though, says multiple people are talking here, 241 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 7: including the roommate of the suspect, who he describes as 242 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 7: incredibly cooperative. The roommate, he says, had no idea this 243 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 7: was happening, And he also says the roommate may have 244 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 7: been in a romantic relationship with Tyler Robinson, may have 245 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 7: been gender transitioning, But the governor says, there's no edication 246 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 7: or no idea yet that's at all relevant to this case. 247 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: That it might not be relevant at all. We don't 248 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: know yet. But is it a coincidence, just like the 249 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: craziest coincidence ever, that he's in a romantic relationship with 250 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: somebody who's doing the whole transgender thing. And then the 251 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: moment a question is asked about transgender to Charlie Kirky 252 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: gets a bullet in the neck. Seems like a heck 253 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: of a coincidence. Well, it's a crazy, crazy thing to 254 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: do what he did the murder. So could he have 255 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: gone about it in a crazy, crazy way waiting for 256 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: the question that he found particularly objectionable, or knowing it 257 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: was practically inevitable that that would come up at a 258 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: Charlie kirk event and waiting for that moment. Again, that's crazy. Well, 259 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: but it would be crazy because that's not going to 260 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: make any difference in terms of what you're trying to accomplish. 261 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: It's going to make it more likely you get caught 262 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: if before you accomplish what you're trying to accomplish, Right, 263 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: if you wait until the right question. 264 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 4: Although it happened to happen very early in the pros 265 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 4: in the first question. Yeah, but somebody that sucked into 266 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 4: an online ideological cult, Yeah, they might do something that 267 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 4: strange and difficult to explain. 268 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: I suppose do you think the transgender thing it plays 269 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: a role in this at all? I do? 270 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 4: I do, Yeah, especially judging by the FBI's investigations. Some 271 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 4: other like transgender up with transgender social media accounts that 272 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 4: were all cheering this guy. 273 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: Or knew him, or they were online. 274 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 4: Together, and Charlie was well known as rejecting radical gender theory. 275 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it absolutely might play a role 276 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: and the reason for killing the guy, right, yeah, well, 277 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: and it might have affected the timing to I don't know. 278 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: And then you gotta wonder if it is if he 279 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: has connected to any other group of people like minded 280 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: that had a role in this, right, which would be who? 281 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: That'd be a big story if that turns out to 282 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: be true. We'll be following it Armstrong and Getty row. 283 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 8: Time leading up to this moment, as extreme gardener Alex 284 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 8: Bavish from Fort Wayne, Indiana goes for the record for 285 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 8: the world's tallest sunflower. Clover stands nearly thirty six feet tall. 286 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 8: Over the course of three months, Clover grew ten inches 287 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 8: a day. As clover reaches up for the sun. Alex 288 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 8: is mindful of his own roots. Born and raised in Ukraine. 289 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 7: Sunflower is a national flower of Ukraine, so it's special 290 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 7: to me. 291 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: There you go, that's nice, So I needed that's what 292 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: we needed today story about the world's tallest sunflower named Clover. 293 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: It has a name. It's a plant with a name, 294 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: and the name is the name of a different plant. 295 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: World's tallest sunflower. Huh, there you go, world's tallest shaka weed. 296 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 4: I call it corn. The hell thirty six feet is 297 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 4: pretty tall. That's a tall sunflower. All in tribute to 298 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 4: the poor people of Ukraine. Love it, confused, but love it. 299 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: Now back to how the Great Civil War and death exactly? 300 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: We mentioned earlier in the show that the FBI is 301 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: investigating seven. I think it was social media accounts that 302 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: appeared to. 303 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 4: Predict what was going to happen to poor Charlie Kirk, 304 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 4: and when at least one of those was directly tied 305 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 4: to or followed Charlie Kirk's allegedly trans I'm sorry, the 306 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 4: murderers allegedly trans romantic interest and roommate, and there seems 307 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 4: to be a circle of young radicals who really are 308 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 4: into the trans thing that wanted Charlie Kirk dead and 309 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 4: seem to know when it was going to happen. 310 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: Who knows. 311 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 4: There's a lot of crap on the internet, stop clock 312 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 4: is right twice a day, etc. 313 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: So that's what we were referring to last segment. 314 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 4: I thought this was great, as always from Nelly Bowles 315 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 4: of the Free Press talking about the aftermath and discussions online. 316 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 4: The rest of it a couple of things she writes, 317 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 4: And then came the New York Times obituary, a classic. 318 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 4: The headline, Charlie Kirk, right wing provocateur and close ally 319 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 4: of Trump, dies at thirty one. Right wing provocateur a 320 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 4: person trying to provoke if you think about it as 321 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 4: though there's no belief system behind it, just a provocateur 322 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 4: for the sake of it. In the mainstream media worldview, 323 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 4: there are two kinds of people. Those fighting for left 324 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 4: wing causes who are described as people of conviction, activists 325 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 4: for justice, deep believers inequality, and then there are those 326 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 4: fighting for right wing causes who are described as provocateurs, cynics, 327 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 4: racists and shills arch conservatives. They eventually changed the headline. 328 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 4: Here's the New York Times obituary quote. He was so 329 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 4: vocal in his willingness to spread unsupported claims and outright lies. 330 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 4: He said that the drug hydroxychloroquin was one hundred percent 331 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 4: effective in treating the virus, which it is not that 332 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 4: Twitter temporarily banned him in early March twenty twenty, but 333 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 4: that move only added to his notoriety and seemed to 334 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 4: support his claim that he was being muzzled by a 335 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 4: liberal elite. Nelly writes, fascinating a man is murdered in 336 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 4: public in the middle of the day while practicing his 337 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 4: First Amendment rights, and the paper of record decides that 338 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 4: this must be the perfect moment to do some fact 339 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 4: checking about hydro oxy chloroquin. 340 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: That's an excellent point. What role does that play in 341 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: the story? Whatsoever? 342 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 3: Right? 343 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: What you need to know from this? 344 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 4: If your politics are that of a standard normy conservative man, 345 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 4: your New York Times obituary will find the various things 346 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 4: you said that weren't exactly right. He got into hydroxy 347 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 4: chloroquin in twenty twenty. Can you believe that? And they'll 348 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: paint them in the sky. My politics, he writes, are 349 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 4: lib centrist, and these people would certainly celebrate my death, 350 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 4: highlight my many errors and refer to my defense of 351 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: the sat test is my repeated advocacy for a return 352 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 4: to slavery or something. What I'm saying is, just try 353 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 4: to stay alive, because when you die, a New York 354 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 4: Times reporter gets to juice your corpse for likes. On 355 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 4: Blue Sky MSNBC will invite on talking heads to suggest 356 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 4: that the shooter could have been your mom who forgot 357 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 4: to put the safety on. 358 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: We simply don't know. 359 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 4: Then she talks about clicking on the blue sky to 360 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 4: see what was happening. I was served hundreds of posts 361 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 4: with people celebrating. I don't follow anyone, so this is 362 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 4: just what the standard blue sky algorithm wanted to show me. 363 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 4: Also dropping this right here, thirty four percent of college 364 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 4: students think political violence is acceptable, according to a Nurse 365 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 4: New survey. On Facebook, the first thing I saw was 366 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 4: an old journalist Buddy mocking Charlie and cheering his death. 367 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 4: We were talking early early in the show about how 368 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 4: wide spread that sort of thing is and how it's 369 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 4: difficult to know because the volume and algorithms of the Internet. 370 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: Right, Can we do a snap pole on it to 371 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: try to figure that out. Yeah, I don't know. I 372 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: don't know. It's so sick. I know that Mark Alprin 373 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: tweeted over the weekend. For the first day, I refused 374 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: to believe that anyone who was actually going on social 375 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: media to celebrate Charlie's murder. Then I realized there was, 376 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: in fact some of it but I assumed it was 377 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: a very small amount. Now I see how naive I was. 378 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: What is wrong with someone who would do that? Then 379 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: he tweeted, CNN and MSNBC are not taking the remarks 380 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: of Erica Kirk live. She spoke for the first time 381 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: and gave a speech. MSNBC and CNN did not carry it. 382 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: Takes a lot to surprise me. Mark Alpern wrote, this 383 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: is shocking the BBC is taking it live. Yeah, I 384 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: guess internally they thought they get too much blowback on 385 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: MSNBC if they let her speak. 386 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 4: Or the thing that surprises me over and over again, 387 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 4: maybe I'm a dope. Is that a lot of people 388 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 4: who are in a media bubble, social media bubble, they 389 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 4: believe the worst of what's being said. 390 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: They actually think it's true. They've never seen an alternative 391 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: point of view, and so maybe the person in charge 392 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: of it at NBC actually believed. I mean, I mentioned 393 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: a friend told me from the pulpit. Their minister in 394 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: church Sunday said, now, Charlie Kirk spread division and hate. 395 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: That was his career, but his murder is wrong and 396 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: we pray for his family. So they just repeated as 397 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: fact that that's what dude did, Man, i'd a got 398 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: up on a church and walked down. Yes, this friend 399 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: is not going to return. I believe that's unbelievable. What 400 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: a thing to say. Yeah, and again, even if we're true, 401 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: you don't want them to get shot. That's not the 402 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: way we do things well. And two spreads division in politics. 403 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 4: What Yeah, Well, it's just like Nelly Bowles is saying 404 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 4: about The New York Times. If you energetically advocate for 405 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 4: your point of view from the left, you're an energetic advocate. 406 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 4: If I then stand up and say, look, I think 407 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 4: you're wrong, and here's why I'm spreading division. 408 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: So Mark alpernanded on his newsletter yesterday this morning, with 409 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: significant time to reflect for the first time since the murder, 410 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: I am now deeply, deeply worried about the country. We're 411 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: going to go one of two directions. It's not going 412 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: to stay neutral. I don't think this is a pretty 413 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: big event. It's either going to bring it more people 414 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: into the tent of We need to calm down. We 415 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: need to stop vilifying the other side. We need to 416 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: step stop calling people Hitler are saying this is going 417 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: to be the last election. If we lose blah blah blah, 418 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: or both sides are going to double down on the 419 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: we have to fight as dirty as they fight because 420 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: they fight dirty and we've been too nice. We got 421 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: to fight dirty. Now both sides are going to do that, 422 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: and it's going to get worse and more ugly, right, 423 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: and we're gonna end up with worse people in politics 424 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: because normal people won't get into politics because it's too dangerous, 425 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: which obviously it's that, it's beyond the heckler's veto, it's 426 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: the assassin's veto. Not good. 427 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is going to accelerate that trend 428 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 4: of good people not wanting to get into politics, which 429 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 4: was already way down the road. 430 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you had. 431 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 4: And I won't bother name checking them because everybody's so 432 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 4: fired up and divided these days. But some of the 433 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 4: best people in Congress in the Senate have checked out, 434 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 4: they've left, they've resigned or not run for reelection because 435 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 4: they're like, this is ugly and stupid. We don't accomplish anything. 436 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 4: It's all just fundraising and hate. And if you add 437 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 4: to that a little and now it's really dangerous. What 438 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 4: sort of people are going to run for office. 439 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: Or our journalism. So I was listening to the Dispatch 440 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: podcast and Mega mccardal, who writes for the Washington Post, 441 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: was on there. I don't know what you'd call her politics. 442 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: She's a conservative, but uh, I don't know a lot 443 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: of you people would disagree with her. I think she's brilliant. 444 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: But any who, she said, Oh, she gets death threats 445 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: all the time. She gets people send her pictures of 446 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: her house with a bullseye over it. She many as 447 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: an opinion writer for the Washington Post. Yikes, she said, 448 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: you just have to get used to it. I could 449 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: not get used to that. I mean, we get more 450 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: hate and veiled and sometimes not veiled threats ourselves that 451 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: I don't like it. But a picture of my house 452 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: with a bull's eye over it would be oh. 453 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know. My first thought is I'd be 454 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 4: sorely tempted to open up a taco stand. But there 455 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 4: is a definitely a bit of I'm not going to 456 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 4: back down to you. Depends on your life, your circumstances. 457 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: Right well, and almost always if somebody is not going 458 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: to do anything, almost always, yeah, like very close to always, 459 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: it's somebody it's not going to do anything. It somehow 460 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: makes them feel powerful or cool or whatever it is. Yeah, 461 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: they just want to cause pain or discomfort. Because we've 462 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: dealt with this a lot from threats, and we immediately 463 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: turn them over to police friends, and then they get 464 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: in contact with you. If you want to send threats, 465 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: you're going to get contacted by the police, and they 466 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: almost always, well always in our case, thank god. Oh, 467 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: I didn't mean that. I was just you know, I 468 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: was pissed off from blah blah blah. Yeah, jeez, have 469 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: some restraint, eh, I know. 470 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 4: I know part of it obviously, and this is obvious, 471 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 4: and it's been said many times. The very culture of 472 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 4: online communication and anonymity and being behind the screen and 473 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 4: the rest of it is you get further and further 474 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 4: down the really letting your id run wild road because 475 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 4: over and over again, there are no repercussions. 476 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: Well, didn't you deal with that a lot over the weekend, Katie, 477 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: And I don't know if we want to get into 478 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: that or not, because we don't want to egg that on. 479 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: But you had a lot of hate coming your way 480 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: for something you said, I don't. 481 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 5: Know what, but oh yeah, no, and it was merely 482 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 5: correcting someone who posted misinformation and then the next thing 483 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 5: I know, I was a bigot, I was a racist. 484 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 5: I should go f myself, I should go kill myself. 485 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: You name it. 486 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, from people that I know and people that I've 487 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 5: never seen before in my life. 488 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So that's not going to go away. I 489 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: don't see that ever changing. So are we just gonna 490 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: get thicker skin to it? Like everybody? And then I 491 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah, get offline. I don't know. Well, man, 492 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: I've come individually, sure, but I mean as a as 493 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: a culture, Oh, we're doomed as a culture. I was 494 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: just hoping that the next generation we're old, this is 495 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: all new to us. You know, we didn't grow up 496 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: this way. But I'm up in the next generation that's 497 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: lived this way their whole lives are going to figure 498 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: out a way to adapt to it. Yeah. I have 499 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: told the story many times that it was my son 500 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: who first said to me, Dad, haters are gonna hate, 501 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: don't worry about it. And I thought, Oh, that's a 502 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: bit of wisdom there. It reminds me of the road 503 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: rage thing, where you know, at some point in my 504 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: life I realized, oh that person has a lot of 505 00:29:53,080 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: anger and they're looking for a target. And if we 506 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: all learn, all right. 507 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 4: That person who's posts something just horrible online, that's entirely 508 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 4: about them. It's not about me at all. It's a pathetic, 509 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 4: sad and angry person. I hope they get help. 510 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, that works for a very vast majority 511 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: of people. The haters gonna hate. There's a certain chunk 512 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: who they're hatere is gonna kill, hater's gonna attack, hater's 513 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: gonna blow up. 514 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 4: Well, my final note on this, and we are doomed, 515 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 4: is that, uh, you can't look back to any prior 516 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 4: spasm of violence. 517 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: Or you know, the early seventies or whatever. No, I 518 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: was just about to say that, yeah, because. 519 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 4: The mechanism for exchanging ideas has changed so completely. 520 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we had like a bombing a week through 521 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: the seventies. Do you realize that across the country. But yeah, 522 00:30:53,480 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: they didn't have social media. Yeah, dang it, one boy. 523 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: I was going to say, I was going to pick 524 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: a side, but I'm not sure it makes any difference. 525 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: You have some sort of right wing I'm using my 526 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: finger quotes because their politics could be all over the place, 527 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: and they could be crazy kill somebody on the left, 528 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: high profile. Roughly, now we got a big problem. But 529 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: same as the other side. You get another conservative killed 530 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: by a left wing loon. Oh my god. 531 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's going to be no calling off many many dogs. 532 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 4: My final self serving note on this, he says, having 533 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 4: already issued his final note. Came across this. When George 534 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 4: Floyd died, they burned down cities. When Charlie Kirk died, 535 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 4: we pray and host vigils. We are not the same. 536 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 4: There's a lot of truth to that. 537 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: There is a lot of truth to that. We will 538 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: finish strong. 539 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 3: Next forty five seconds, that's what you got to start 540 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 3: the show. I am going to donate one hundred thousand 541 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 3: dollars to the Boys and Girls Cla of America. So 542 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 3: if you stay forty five seconds, it stays. 543 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: At one hundred thousand dollars. 544 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: Every second you go over forty five seconds, we will 545 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 3: adduct one thousand dollars away from the Boys and Girls Club. 546 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I can't change it. 547 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 3: This is a game I'm made up and these are 548 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 3: the rules. 549 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: So that's a good idea. From the Emmy's Last Night Bargatzi, 550 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: the comedians have a charity for a good cause, and 551 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: if you go over the speech time ducks money. I 552 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: can't change it. That's a pretty funny idea. Huh. So 553 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: we got some texts earlier. If you didn't hear my 554 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: story about giving donuts to my neighbors. That was an 555 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: hour two on the podcast Armstrong You Getty on demand. 556 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: I found myself with a whole bunch of donuts because 557 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: the donut chop gave us extras when we went there 558 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: closing time, and they're sitting around the house and I 559 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: was worried about eating them. I got a brand new neighbor, 560 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: and I thought, I'm gonna take this over to the neighbors. 561 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, hey, here's a little neighborhood welcome gift. 562 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: I felt bad about it, though, as I walked away 563 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: and heard him say to his wife, Oh god, our 564 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: extra neighbor's really a nice guy. Look he brought donuts 565 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: when all I was doing was trying to get rid 566 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: of the donuts. 567 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 3: In my house. 568 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: Oh no, dear, he thought it would be nice. Oh hey, 569 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: wait a minute, so did you weren't completely not thinking 570 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: anything nice? It was there. It's like Michael said, I 571 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: could say, hey, I got an extra pork chop you 572 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: want to, But so you have to be a long 573 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: time listener to get this. When we got this text, Jack, 574 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: give your neighbor your used tennis balls. The story, I 575 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: don't Oh my god, I'll have to tell that again 576 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: on the podcast then if you don't remember it, I'm. 577 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 3: Strong against bound Strong, get ready, Katie Green and. 578 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: Strong your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. 579 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 4: Hey, let's get a final thought from everybody on the 580 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 4: crew to wrap things up for the day. There he 581 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 4: is in the control room, Michaelangelo, pressing the buttons. Michael, 582 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 4: what's your final thought? 583 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: You kind of still mind? 584 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 9: Jack, I was going to suggest giving all your leftovers 585 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 9: to your next door neighbors. The other thing, too, is Joe, 586 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 9: I'm really looking forward to this taco Stan. You've mentioned 587 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 9: it several times that you're going to open one of 588 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 9: these things, So I'm hungry for daktaves. 589 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, Buddy in mine and I have been discussing this 590 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 4: very long time. Joe and Brian's California tacos. Yeah, we're 591 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 4: going to have the chicken, the fish, the beef. 592 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: Sounds like, oh yeah, yeah, tacos in short, Katie Green 593 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: are esteemed and used woman. As a final thought, Katie. 594 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 5: Thought, on the doughnuts, Jack, you could have thrown them away, 595 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 5: and there are starving children all over the world, so 596 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 5: you did the right thing. 597 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 4: And did they eat some donuts? Or I've never understood 598 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 4: that rational Jack? Final thought for us? 599 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: Can I do a quick version of the tennis ball story? 600 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: I was playing tennis with my son at the country 601 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: club place where we are. I was dressed particularly poorly 602 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: that day. A couple of guys who were playing tennis 603 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: gave me their used tennis balls. I said, I thought 604 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: you and your son could use. 605 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 4: The pouring down trodden are attempting to learn this honored, time, 606 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 4: honored game. 607 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: Isn't that sweet? Here have my fuzzy balls. Oh, Armstrong 608 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: and Geddy wrapic up another grueling four hour workday. So 609 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: many people, thanks so little time. 610 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 4: Good Armstrong andngeddy dot com for the hot links for 611 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 4: the swag for Katie's corner. Drops an oat mail bag 612 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 4: at Armstrong Engeddy dot com. You have an opinion you 613 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 4: want to share it, be happy to read it. 614 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: Look at that poor down fraud man probably gets to 615 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: see his son once a week from the home eating. 616 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: Let's give him our use tennis balls. See tomorrow, God 617 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: bless America. I'm strong, and there have been so many 618 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: magnificent moments. 619 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 2: On today's arms Strong and Getty shown, but perhaps none 620 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 2: finer than this. 621 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: I can't believe you still want a pony so bad. 622 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 4: I really do think a beautiful little pony I can 623 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 4: call my own, and you. 624 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 2: Can't. 625 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: You can't just have a point. Let's not let's not 626 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: give up over a small obstacles, but by Armstrong and 627 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: Getty