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Speaker 2: Davis today I'm joined by James Stout and Robert Evans.
Speaker 2: You sure are lucky you this episode, we are covering
Speaker 2: the week of June eleven to June eighteen.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, the greatest week of all time. Actually,
Speaker 3: it sucked, terrible week.
Speaker 2: No, we are probably getting closer to a war with Iran,
Speaker 2: which is not good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, great, Yeah, We're at least getting more and more
Speaker 3: involved in Israel's war with Iran. I guess we can
Speaker 3: probably start by talking about that. Yeah, So this situation
Speaker 3: as it stands. First off, I just want to note
Speaker 3: that I don't think the worry here is World War three.
Speaker 3: I don't think the worry here is global thermonuclear war.
Speaker 3: I think the worry here is the US allows itself
Speaker 3: to get involved in an other boondoggle overseas and contributes
Speaker 3: to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, largely civilians,
Speaker 3: because we again continue to back Israel to the hilt, like,
Speaker 3: that's that's the threat. I'm seeing a lot of Oh
Speaker 3: my god, the World War three is coming, and I
Speaker 3: just don't think that's the thing to be focused on.
Speaker 3: The thing to be focused on is like a massive
Speaker 3: expansion of the bombing of urban areas in Iran. You
Speaker 3: know the fact that Trump has been talking at all
Speaker 3: about evacuating a large segment of Tehran, which is about
Speaker 3: as populous as the Los Angeles metro area and not evacuable.
Speaker 5: Yes, ten billion people. Yeah, yeah, where are they going, buddy?
Speaker 3: There's just no way to really do that, is It's
Speaker 3: really bad now when it comes to does Iran have
Speaker 3: a nuke, well, they say they don't, and no one's
Speaker 3: presented any evidence that they do, Like at least officially,
Speaker 3: Iran stopped their nuclear development program in like two thousand
Speaker 3: and three. There's you know, always in Israel has always
Speaker 3: been claiming that they're continuing to work on it in secret.
Speaker 3: You know, we don't have a good a good context
Speaker 3: for exactly how much work there is going on. But
Speaker 3: Iran has been per conservatives in Israel a week away
Speaker 3: from having nukes for fucking my entire adult life, and
Speaker 3: then some so I don't see any evidence that they're
Speaker 3: further along to that goal than they were in twenty
Speaker 3: or in two thousand and three, and until presented with
Speaker 3: that evidence, my assumption is going to be that most
Speaker 3: of these claims are.
Speaker 4: Based on lies.
Speaker 3: Now, the strikes that Israel has carried out are mostly
Speaker 3: it's a mix of assassination strikes like attacking the homes
Speaker 3: and whatnot of scientists and of people who are involved
Speaker 3: in the Iranian government who can be particularly people who
Speaker 3: may have some ties to their weapons development programs. They've
Speaker 3: also just been striking a lot of heavily populated areas,
Speaker 3: kind of under that agis. There's been claimed strikes and
Speaker 3: some definite strikes on what at least were research facilities
Speaker 3: and nuclear research facilities.
Speaker 4: There's very little.
Speaker 3: Evidence that the strikes they're carrying out could deal with
Speaker 3: the kind of deep underground research foracilities that Israel claims
Speaker 3: is where Iran is making most.
Speaker 4: Of their progress.
Speaker 3: Which is why there's a lot of talk about the
Speaker 3: US getting involved, because we have these munitions that are
Speaker 3: specially designed to go much deeper than anything Israel has,
Speaker 3: but they have to be launched from a B two,
Speaker 3: which is like our big stealth bomber that might theoretically
Speaker 3: be able to reach this big underground research area that
Speaker 3: Iran is supposedly doing their nuclear research in.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of.
Speaker 3: The direct reason why Netan yahoo once the US involved,
Speaker 3: and that's kind of the most credible speculation is to like, well,
Speaker 3: if the US starts getting involved, what would we do?
Speaker 3: What would be the first direct act that we'd carry out?
Speaker 3: And it might be something like using a B two
Speaker 3: to drop one of these bunker busters in Iran.
Speaker 5: Yeah, people have been speculating wildly about various separatists groups
Speaker 5: in Iran, right, both BLOK and Kurdish.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I have seen a number of photos that are more
Speaker 5: than a decade old circulating with the claim that they
Speaker 5: are happening currently. That not for what it's worth. I
Speaker 5: don't see the US allying with with Peyak or the
Speaker 5: No Kurtis Dan Free Life Party that's still listed a
Speaker 5: foreign terrorist organization. Obama did that and it hasn't come off.
Speaker 5: So it would be quite a swing for the for
Speaker 5: the US to first delist them and then immediately sort
Speaker 5: of do what they did with the with the PYD
Speaker 5: in Western Kurdistan. Right, So don't see that happening in
Speaker 5: the near future anyway. It's anything's on the table with
Speaker 5: the Trump administration, right, But yeah, I think some of
Speaker 5: that speculation is maybe not grounded in reality. There are
Speaker 5: other It's kdpis PAK right, these is sort of more
Speaker 5: amenable to the American political outlook Kurdish groups. But again,
Speaker 5: I don't see anything to indicate that the US is
Speaker 5: attempting to arm and equip a proxy force to do
Speaker 5: like land warfare in Iran.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we could be a few days, we could be
Speaker 5: a few weeks away from that, but then there's not
Speaker 5: indicating it yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And there's a couple of things people will bring up
Speaker 3: whenever they think that the US is about to go
Speaker 3: to war with Iran or someone else. One of them
Speaker 3: is like the Pentagon dominoes order, like basically the dominoes
Speaker 3: near the Pentagon, Like how busy it is, right, the
Speaker 3: idea being that they order a bunch of pizza when
Speaker 3: everybody's going to be staying in staying up late in
Speaker 3: order to carry out some sort of a strike or
Speaker 3: a deployment.
Speaker 4: And the other that.
Speaker 3: I've started seeing is like photos of lobster being served
Speaker 3: at various bases, and people being like they only serve
Speaker 3: lobster when they're about to deploy everybody, Neither.
Speaker 4: Of these is accurate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Pentagon pizza thing is a common myth, but
Speaker 3: you can find one hundred cases. Sure, you can find
Speaker 3: a couple of cases where pizza sales surged and we
Speaker 3: were carrying out some sort of attack and one of those.
Speaker 3: You can find one hundred times where pizza case, like,
Speaker 3: pizza orders surged and nothing happened because like someone had
Speaker 3: people had to stay overnight to get some compliant shit
Speaker 3: ready or whatever. Like the fact that people are ordering
Speaker 3: pizza at the Pentagon, they do it for reasons other
Speaker 3: than war. Or ditto if you talk to anyone who
Speaker 3: was deployed, surf and turf and lobster are served with
Speaker 3: some regularity at a variety of bases, and it doesn't
Speaker 3: correspond necessarily to any kind of mass movement or activation.
Speaker 3: You need to actually, like look at the degree of
Speaker 3: time it took to get the forces ready that we
Speaker 3: moved in with to invade Iraq in two thousand and three,
Speaker 3: because it was a massive logistical effort and it was
Speaker 3: super obvious what we were doing because hundreds of thousands
Speaker 3: of people had to be moved around the world with
Speaker 3: massive amounts of materiall. And what you're seeing right now
Speaker 3: is you're seeing a lot of our refueling planes, like
Speaker 3: you're seeing a lot of those moving into the area.
Speaker 3: And we're moving the Nimitz carrier groups with second carrier
Speaker 3: group into the area. But those don't say to me,
Speaker 3: we're about to have tens to hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 3: ground troops invading Iran. Those say number one, as we
Speaker 3: were doing previously, we're expecting a lot of incoming towards Israel,
Speaker 3: and we are going to continue to help shoot down
Speaker 3: that incoming. And number two, and this is kind of
Speaker 3: the most extreme thing that I see right now. We're
Speaker 3: going to be either directly supporting or carrying out airstrikes
Speaker 3: in I run and both of those are possible based
Speaker 3: on what we've seen. But what we're not seeing is
Speaker 3: full scale military evidence of a full scale military deployment.
Speaker 3: We're just there's just not evidence of that yet.
Speaker 2: Well, especially because the entire military is busy with more
Speaker 2: important matters, like it's poorly marching in a line in Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. Including rolling over, rolling over, a woman in
Speaker 2: a tank, I believe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they killed a lady with Well it wasn't in
Speaker 3: a tank, it was the truck carrying the tank.
Speaker 4: There you go, which is fucked up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's only it's only the Soviets rollover people with tanks.
Speaker 5: In America. We put tanks on a truck, rollover with that.
Speaker 2: So this past Saturday we saw Trump's birthday party military parade,
Speaker 2: also celebrating the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the
Speaker 2: US military. Meanwhile, across the country, in almost every major city,
Speaker 2: there was quote unquote no Kings protests in protest of
Speaker 2: the Donald Trump military parade event. I think they renamed
Speaker 2: them no Tyrants garrison to uh except yes, to not
Speaker 2: piss off Kings. Yes, yes, in the in the countries
Speaker 2: where there are monarchies. Yeah, the No Kings organization renamed
Speaker 2: renamed their protests to no Tyrants.
Speaker 5: You'll need to hang your fucking head and shame if
Speaker 5: you're doing that. Shame, I think.
Speaker 3: But before we get to what's sucked about this, we
Speaker 3: should talk about some stuff that I think was good planning. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for official number one, it was smart to hold a
Speaker 3: bunch of mass demonstrations the weekend of his birthday in
Speaker 3: order to make that not the main story, and also
Speaker 3: to kind of it further highlighted the fact that his
Speaker 3: the big military parade looked like shit, Like this was
Speaker 3: not that was not that's not like bad planning, right,
Speaker 3: like you want to do it And the distract and
Speaker 3: the fact that these were so large is not bad, right,
Speaker 3: It's not enough. It's a start point, not an endpoint.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot to be worried about here, including
Speaker 3: the fact that they have no real demands, clearly, which
Speaker 3: you can kind of see from the fact that they
Speaker 3: went from no kings to know tyrants when they were like, well,
Speaker 3: now there's going to be some sympathy protests and places
Speaker 3: with kings.
Speaker 2: We're going to have the some kings protest.
Speaker 3: Maybe just hold the line that kings are bad homeie.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I will say again, like timing
Speaker 3: was not bad, and the number of people they were
Speaker 3: able to mobilize, the scale of the demonstrations, these are
Speaker 3: good things. And there's costs for some optimism here. So
Speaker 3: I don't I never want us to just be like
Speaker 3: shitting on people trying to do stuff. So let's start
Speaker 3: by saying like there were some good stuff here, there
Speaker 3: were some good calls made. There were also some bad
Speaker 3: calls made, and we're going to talk about those now.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think if I just give an overview of
Speaker 5: the violence used against protesters and then we can get
Speaker 5: into a couple of these incidents.
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, absolutely so.
Speaker 5: I've been trying to collate a list of arm threat
Speaker 5: I'm aware of arm threatened Phoenix, where the person was
Speaker 5: arrested in Pueblo, where the person was I guess suppressed
Speaker 5: by like people at the parade, armed people at parade,
Speaker 5: and then arrested. Nashville the person was arrested and had
Speaker 5: a shotgun with some pretty concerning right wa shit on it.
Speaker 3: Is that the one that had bombs or was that
Speaker 3: the Phoenix guy?
Speaker 5: I think I'm not aware of the I haven't read
Speaker 5: about the bombs. The guy in Nashville had a moss
Speaker 5: Berg five hundred with like one three one and Dais
Speaker 5: Voult and yeah, yeah, yeah, all kinds of right wing
Speaker 5: shit and some I had a Curtis yarb in Dark Enlightenment.
Speaker 3: Patch Jesus, Yeah, not great, good week for courtisyar of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, big pr okay, Yeah, No King's protester,
Speaker 3: the armed man arrested at the protest in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's another one.
Speaker 4: Had more than a dozen explosives at home. Kevin Krebs. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we've seen that's four armed attacks right Pennsylvania, Phoenix, Pueblo,
Speaker 5: in Nashville that I'm aware of that maybe more. It's
Speaker 5: been kind of hard to collate these, and when we're
Speaker 5: recording pretty shortly after those protests happened in Los Angeles,
Speaker 5: the artthreat came from the cops who tear gassed people,
Speaker 5: shot them with impact munitions, trampled them with horses, and
Speaker 5: hit them with billy clubs.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing in port We had a mass
Speaker 3: rally in Portland, like the No King's rally, which was
Speaker 3: like mostly fairly safe and kind of like more lib
Speaker 3: and oriented, family friendly, and then that did because there
Speaker 3: were so many people out in like the eight to
Speaker 3: ten thousand range. You got a much larger demonstration at
Speaker 3: the ICE headquarters building in McCadam in Portland than we'd
Speaker 3: been seeing. There have been demonstrations there for a while,
Speaker 3: but they've mostly been in the dozens. And there were
Speaker 3: on Saturday, like six hundred people or so at the
Speaker 3: height of that, and so folks managed to actually breach
Speaker 3: the door of the facility briefly. On several occasions, BORTTAC
Speaker 3: officers pulled their live firearms and pointed them at the
Speaker 3: crowd like unholstered handguns, and in one case is a
Speaker 3: pistol calendar car mine aimed.
Speaker 4: Them at people.
Speaker 3: A nurse who was showing up there to do protest
Speaker 3: medic stuff got shot in the eye with a less
Speaker 3: than lethal munition. So just a tremendous amount of violence
Speaker 3: and something like thirty four arrests so far over the
Speaker 3: last few days. Yeah, protests continue at the ICE headquarters.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Similar situation in Atlanta where there was arrests at the
Speaker 2: big protest on Saturday. To your gas, people were charged
Speaker 2: with wearing a mask at a protest, which is a
Speaker 2: crime in Georgia. It was rescinded during the pandemic, but
Speaker 2: now it is being enforced once again.
Speaker 4: San Diego's go ahead. I was just gonna say, you know, what,
Speaker 4: isn't san Diego our sponsors.
Speaker 5: Hopefully he can never tell mate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, and we're back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm aware of like Bebe five vehicular rammings across
Speaker 5: the week or so attacks with vehicles at least one
Speaker 5: person in a coma. San Diego's protest, by contrast, was
Speaker 5: I've seen various numbers, but extremely safe, very very like
Speaker 5: lib coded. I saw a post from the police congratulating
Speaker 5: the protesters on a peaceful protest day. So it went
Speaker 5: down differently here. I have been denied my press bus
Speaker 5: by the city of San Diego because they exempted podcasts
Speaker 5: when we were mean to Todd Gloria.
Speaker 3: They really got pissed at that, didn't they.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, we got him, man, We got him. So parking,
Speaker 5: what's a motherfucker for me? Because I don't have one
Speaker 5: of the press parking placards. It's only caught the tail
Speaker 5: end of that.
Speaker 2: We continue the igadapenir tradition of getting into rivalries with
Speaker 2: various municipal governments.
Speaker 3: They all hate us. You got to wonder why, man,
Speaker 3: because we're doing our job.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, which is increasingly rare in the media these days,
Speaker 5: especially the local media in San Diego. You can read
Speaker 5: my Patreon piece about the local media and the mayor.
Speaker 5: If you want to, let's talk about Salt Lake City, right,
Speaker 5: Salt Lake City. This was first reported as like a
Speaker 5: prevented mass shooting. Should we like break down the timeline
Speaker 5: of events? How do we want to process?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So basically what happened at the event right is there
Speaker 3: was a person in all black carrying an AR fifteen
Speaker 3: A member of now the five ZHO five oh one organization,
Speaker 3: and this was a five oh five oh one protest
Speaker 3: has uniformed by saying, by uniform to me, they're wearing
Speaker 3: like yellow hypas vests, but they've got they've got marked security.
Speaker 3: All of these are volunteers, per their own claims, these
Speaker 3: are mostly like veterans and first responders in people with
Speaker 3: that kind of relevant experience. One of these protest security
Speaker 3: people saw this person carrying an AR at the protest.
Speaker 3: There's no evidence that this person took violent actions, that
Speaker 3: they were aiming their weapon at anyone, that they were
Speaker 3: doing anything other than marching in a matter that is legal.
Speaker 3: It is legal to open carry. There's no evidence that
Speaker 3: I've seen that the person that they saw with the
Speaker 3: AR broke the law. Protest security pulled what I believe
Speaker 3: at this point to have been a concealed handgun and
Speaker 3: opened fire. They wounded the person with the AR fifteen
Speaker 3: and they hit and killed an unrelated person who was
Speaker 3: just at the march and who was not the person
Speaker 3: that they were aiming at, and killed that person.
Speaker 5: Yeah. That person was called author Falosa Alou.
Speaker 3: Yes, they are a fashion designer of Samoan ancestry with
Speaker 3: two children. Yeah, and they died on the scene. The
Speaker 3: person who was carrying the air fifteen is the second
Speaker 3: generation of Venezuelan immigrant and a long time anti fascist
Speaker 3: activist who was wounded, and they are currently being charged.
Speaker 3: The person who was shot, not the person who did
Speaker 3: the shooting, is currently being charged by law enforcement. And
Speaker 3: basically in the same manner is that like if you
Speaker 3: rob a corner store in the police open fire to
Speaker 3: stop you and they hit and kill someone else, you
Speaker 3: will get charged with murder, right, And the argument is that,
Speaker 3: like you started the crime, and there's you know, an
Speaker 3: argument to be made there when you actually did do
Speaker 3: a crime. But again, this individual, there's no evidence whatsoever
Speaker 3: that I've seen that they committed a crime.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Utah's an open Kyrie state, right, Utah is an open
Speaker 5: Carrie state.
Speaker 1: Eight.
Speaker 3: None of the video footage I have seen, none of
Speaker 3: the evidence I have seen whatsoever suggests that this person
Speaker 3: was threatening anyone at all with their firearms. Now, I
Speaker 3: heard from some sources in the Salt Lake community, and
Speaker 3: these people had seen the individual with the air fifteen
Speaker 3: at previous demonstrations. They forwarded me some photos of this
Speaker 3: person in twenty twenty at protests, open carrying and dressed
Speaker 3: basically the same as they were dressed at this protest.
Speaker 3: They told me this was the person was kind of
Speaker 3: known in the community. They were not like super deeply
Speaker 3: tied in. They had noted that they seemed a little
Speaker 3: awkward with their gear back in twenty twenty, and that
Speaker 3: in general maybe they were like a little bit of
Speaker 3: like kind of an awkward person, or at least that
Speaker 3: was the vibes that these folks got. And they were
Speaker 3: dressed more radically than was common for the rest of
Speaker 3: the protest right. They were wearing all black, they had like,
Speaker 3: I think a bandana on their face, and their suspicion
Speaker 3: when they reached out to me was like, yeah, we
Speaker 3: think maybe he was dressed too militantly for a liberal march,
Speaker 3: and he was like adjusting his kit or something, and
Speaker 3: one of the security people's got spooted an open fire.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: The five oh five oh one organization's first statement was that,
Speaker 3: you know, basically this had been a crime that had
Speaker 3: been averted, and the fact that someone else had been
Speaker 3: shot and killed was like deeply tragic, but like protest
Speaker 3: security had you know, taken action. And then within a
Speaker 3: few hours of that they were like, actually, it's become
Speaker 3: clear we don't know exactly what's going on here, so
Speaker 3: we're going to continue to wait to hear what's happening.
Speaker 3: But obviously, you know, the presence of guns is what
Speaker 3: caused this in the first place. Some more information has
Speaker 3: since come out, including five h five oh one's guide
Speaker 3: for Dealing and de Escalating People with firearms for their
Speaker 3: marked Security, which is quite bad, like to say the least,
Speaker 3: like deeply inadequate and quite racist and quite racist. There's
Speaker 3: a part in it where there's like a bunch of
Speaker 3: where it's talking about like the different kind of body
Speaker 3: language that can show you someone's about to get violent,
Speaker 3: and there's just like some clip art of non white
Speaker 3: people with guns. I don't know why they put the
Speaker 3: clip art in. Yeah, it's bad, it's really fucked up
Speaker 3: in awkward. I have reached out for a statement from
Speaker 3: five oh five oh one.
Speaker 4: But I haven't heard from them yet. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The book is called Streetwise and Study a workbook for
Speaker 3: action peacekeepers or event marshals, and I guess they're calling
Speaker 3: them action peacekeepers. A peacekeeper, sometimes called a marshal or
Speaker 3: action ambassador, helps keep people safe and make sure the
Speaker 3: action goes smoothly. The essential supplies for a prepared peacekeeper
Speaker 3: are a fully charged cell phone, contacts for police, liaison,
Speaker 3: legal observers, and other key action roles. Schedule events, map
Speaker 3: with the march route, first aid supplies your ID. Nothing
Speaker 3: in there says that you're supposed to be carrying a
Speaker 3: gun at My understanding is these people were not supposed
Speaker 3: to be armed.
Speaker 4: This person who they're saying was a veteran was armed.
Speaker 3: It's not a guide for people who are going to
Speaker 3: be confronting violence, right, Like, it's not a very good
Speaker 3: guide for that. And the de escalation stuff is really bad.
Speaker 3: Like chapter seven is on de escalating with guns. Tips
Speaker 3: for de escalating with guns. Don't panic your composer will
Speaker 3: influence the crowd and likely the gun owner. Keep your
Speaker 3: hands and avoid sudden movements. So so far that's good.
Speaker 3: Speak softly and clearly, avoid shouting or aggressive tones. Try
Speaker 3: to keep distance between the person with the weapon and
Speaker 3: the crowd, which should move away slowly. If someone from
Speaker 3: your team face the protesters, and if anyone attempts to
Speaker 3: rescue the situation, which can make things worse ha HA.
Speaker 3: Communicate with other peacekeepers and leaders and coordinate a safe response.
Speaker 3: Be ready to evacuate or take shelter if necessary. Talk
Speaker 3: calmly to the shooter and tell them you're not their enemy,
Speaker 3: repeating a phrase such as you don't have to do this,
Speaker 3: You don't have to go to jail today. You don't
Speaker 3: have to go to do this. Move deliberately and get
Speaker 3: to solid cover. Walls, cars. Cars are not solid cover.
Speaker 3: Cars are not solid cover. Neither are walls. A lot
Speaker 3: of the time, Yeah, someone's got a rifle. Get the
Speaker 3: group to sit or neil, typically for groups of high discipline. No,
Speaker 3: don't get people to kneel. If you think a.
Speaker 2: Shooter is about to open fire, that's not the right call.
Speaker 4: Like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: What worries me most is just both like this is
Speaker 3: there's a lot of bad advice in there. Like it's
Speaker 3: not all bad, but like there's a lot of bad
Speaker 3: stuff in there, and they immediately the security member who
Speaker 3: did the shooting and who killed someone, like, they immediately
Speaker 3: backed them up and basically argued like yeah, like that
Speaker 3: it's the fault of the person who was not doing
Speaker 3: the shooting.
Speaker 2: There's so far complicit in framing somebody else for a killing.
Speaker 5: Yes, and not mentioning Arthur philas Alu, right, the man
Speaker 5: who was killed, yes, failing to acknowledge Well, they mentioned
Speaker 5: that somebody died and that it was strategic by name, right,
Speaker 5: like this is someone's dad, someone's potner. I don't think
Speaker 5: their initial coverage did now. Yeah, I mean yeah, this
Speaker 5: is fucking tragic. It's all round. It fucking sucks.
Speaker 4: It's really tragic. It's awful. It's evan.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that are here. Number One,
Speaker 3: when we're talking about like armed security, a big question
Speaker 3: is like when is it more danger than.
Speaker 4: It could help? Right?
Speaker 3: And I think Number one, a situation like this where
Speaker 3: you have thousands and thousands of people in the street
Speaker 3: is not one at this point in which you get
Speaker 3: much out of having armed security. Number One, there's going
Speaker 3: to be police swarming around, and even if you happened
Speaker 3: to respond to a shooting. The odds that you get
Speaker 3: shot while doing the right thing are high because there's
Speaker 3: so many cops around. I talk a lot about the
Speaker 3: Normandale shooting in Portland, in which a member of the
Speaker 3: protest stopped a mass shooter and saved a number of lives.
Speaker 3: That was a small demo. There was no one around, really,
Speaker 3: and it was the kind of situation where you need
Speaker 3: armed security because no one is going to come for you.
Speaker 3: You are not going to get any kind of a
Speaker 3: realistic response time if an emergency happens and you need
Speaker 3: to be able to defend people immediately, right. That is
Speaker 3: a very different kind of situation from ten thousand fucking
Speaker 3: people are marching, right, So straight up, I would say, like,
Speaker 3: this is a situation if you're wondering, like, well, how
Speaker 3: do we determine like where, what's a good time and
Speaker 3: a bad time for showing up as an armed demonstrator,
Speaker 3: I would say this is not a great time. And
Speaker 3: I would say that's the primary mistake the person with
Speaker 3: the ar made, right, which is not to say that
Speaker 3: they deserve to be charged or that they caused this,
Speaker 3: because they didn't. The person who saw someone not shooting
Speaker 3: an opened fire and hit the wrong person, the person
Speaker 3: who is liable here, yeah, and who was responsible for
Speaker 3: things going badly. I think five oh five oh one
Speaker 3: probably backed this person book because they lacked perfect information
Speaker 3: and because they were really worried about their own legal
Speaker 3: culpability here. But yeah, this is just a disaster. But
Speaker 3: if you're saying anyone is responsible for this but the
Speaker 3: person who opened fire, yeah, I think that's just silly,
Speaker 3: especially since again, you're legally allowed to open carry in Utah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you might not be allowed to conceal carry it protest
Speaker 3: like I did. I'm unaware of Utah law as regards
Speaker 3: concealed carry, but you are allowed to open carry.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Some states you could be permitted and not allowed to
Speaker 5: carry a protest too.
Speaker 2: After doing this for like a number of years now,
Speaker 2: a consistent trend I've noticed is that oftentimes the most
Speaker 2: dangerous person at a protest besides the police, are really
Speaker 2: anyone wearing yellow vests. We saw this at the DNC
Speaker 2: protests in Chicago, where protest Marshall's protest security were escalating
Speaker 2: conf and trying to move certain demonstrators in the direction
Speaker 2: of police. Similar things happened at protests in Portland, even
Speaker 2: like pre twenty twenty, where people seen as quote unquote
Speaker 2: agitators would be treated incredibly hostile by protest security or
Speaker 2: protest marshals, oftentimes trying to hand them over to police
Speaker 2: custody if they were too disruptive at a protest or
Speaker 2: at a demonstration.
Speaker 3: All right, well you know what isn't disruptive at a demonstration?
Speaker 3: We're throwing too our sponsors again, get bastards.
Speaker 2: All right, we are back. I have a few other
Speaker 2: notes related to protests before we can move on. I
Speaker 2: guess one aspect of the Atlanta protests that I didn't
Speaker 2: mention before, which I think is kind of notable, is
Speaker 2: proud boys showed up. And this is one of the
Speaker 2: first resurgences of like uniformed proud boys that we've seen
Speaker 2: kind of since j Sex. So I think this is
Speaker 2: a notable trend to be aware of. Also, last week,
Speaker 2: a US district judge, Charles Bramer ruled that Trump's National
Speaker 2: Guard deployment was illegal, but the order to give control
Speaker 2: of the National Guard back to Newsom has been paused
Speaker 2: as the Trump administration appeals the ruling while maintaining command
Speaker 2: of the Guard.
Speaker 5: So something we haven't covered that much on an executive disorder,
Speaker 5: but which has been happening have been the ongoing attempt
Speaker 5: by the Trump administration to sell off public lands across
Speaker 5: the United States, spetically across the Western states.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: In this case, I want to talk about Utah Senator
Speaker 5: Mike Lee, who have authored this part of the Budgiet
Speaker 5: Reconciliation Bill, which mandates the sale of between two and
Speaker 5: three million acres of public land managed by the Bureau
Speaker 5: of Land Management and the Forest Service. It's happening across
Speaker 5: eleven different states. They are Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Noviland,
Speaker 5: New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming. I guess the
Speaker 5: West of the Rockies appreciators will notice that Montana is missing.
Speaker 5: That is because Montana's senators said they would break ranks
Speaker 5: with the party of or any sale of public land
Speaker 5: in estate. So they just got exempted, which kind of
Speaker 5: shows how very transactional this is, as does the exemption
Speaker 5: for mining claims and mineral leases. Right, So it's a
Speaker 5: public land, which is when you take a mining claim
Speaker 5: on public land, you can do all kinds of shit
Speaker 5: to that land, right, and it technically remains public land,
Speaker 5: but in practice these big mining interests have hugelywhigh and
Speaker 5: can obviously, like irreparably damage that public land they're exempt.
Speaker 5: So briefly, there was an exemption for grazing that seems
Speaker 5: to be missing in the most recent version that I
Speaker 5: have seen. For people not familiar, a large amount of
Speaker 5: Bureau of Land Management land is leased by cattle farmers
Speaker 5: for grazing. The Wilderness Society has published a really excellent
Speaker 5: interactive map of land that potentially could be sold. I
Speaker 5: will link it in the show notes and encourage you
Speaker 5: to check it out look at the land where you live.
Speaker 5: The Wordness Society has said that this will also quote
Speaker 5: mandate oily sales in the Arctic, refuge force, construction of
Speaker 5: a mining road through a national park, and more than
Speaker 5: double the amount of logging in Western national forests. This
Speaker 5: is the Trump administration's approach to fire management.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: This is not one that is based in evidence. We
Speaker 5: have decaded evidence that logging does not lead to better
Speaker 5: fire management, but it does lead to more profit for
Speaker 5: logging companies right in theory. The idea here, and I
Speaker 5: think this is a pretty cynical claim, is that this
Speaker 5: would allow for more affordable housing to be built near
Speaker 5: cities that have a housing problem right, which is nearly
Speaker 5: all the cities in the United States. In practice, BLM
Speaker 5: and US Forest Service land is almost all unsuitable for
Speaker 5: affordable housing. It's miles from utilities, It's often not well
Speaker 5: served by road networks. I'm looking extensively at the parcels
Speaker 5: in San Diego which could be listed for sale. They're
Speaker 5: so steep that it would be almost impossible to build
Speaker 5: stuff there. In practice, most of this land will be
Speaker 5: sold to large corperations. It may be used for large
Speaker 5: and highly expensive homes, but it's very unlikely that you're
Speaker 5: going to see like apartment buildings. I read through the
Speaker 5: latest version today. States do have a right first refusal
Speaker 5: to the land being sold, so that would mean states
Speaker 5: could effectively buy it and turn it into like state
Speaker 5: public land if they wanted to. The revenue from the
Speaker 5: sales will go into the general fund, so it won't
Speaker 5: go into conservation. Much of the other money you pay
Speaker 5: to a BLM or the Forest Service or like hunting
Speaker 5: lights and sales for instance, often go directly to conservation
Speaker 5: their ring fence for it. This is not only five
Speaker 5: percent will be reserved for deferred maintenance of public land,
Speaker 5: which is something that's badly underfunded right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is pretty bad. This is one of those.
Speaker 5: Things that people are asking people to call their representative
Speaker 5: or senator about. And you can check the show notes
Speaker 5: for more links on that. Look at the wilderness dot
Speaker 5: org link if you're interested in that. Gay talking of
Speaker 5: housing crises, you wanted to talk about some migrants who
Speaker 5: have been housed in a potentially substandard facility in New York, right, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, if you consider prison housing, which I guess
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 5: Is garrison, that's the that's in New America.
Speaker 2: Fuco mentioned, So I actually want to talk about an
Speaker 2: escape from an ICE facility in Newark, New Jersey. This
Speaker 2: was Delaney Hall, a one thousand bed privately owned facility
Speaker 2: that ICE operates. This has been the site of multiple
Speaker 2: protests outside the building in recent weeks, including that one
Speaker 2: where the mayor was arrested, and there was a protest
Speaker 2: on the night of Thursday, June twelfth because earlier that
Speaker 2: day unrest in the building started after detainees were served
Speaker 2: in sufficient lunch just three slices of bread after not
Speaker 2: receiving food for more than twenty hours, people on the
Speaker 2: upper floor covered up security cameras and started damaging walls.
Speaker 2: They overwhelmed security guards on the floor, and four people
Speaker 2: managed to escape by kicking through an interior wall. The
Speaker 2: three of the men are now back in federal custody,
Speaker 2: but one still remains free, with the FBI posting wanted
Speaker 2: flyers and offering up to twenty five thousand dollars for
Speaker 2: information leading to his arrest. The executive director of the
Speaker 2: New Jersey Alliance for Immigrant Justice, Amy Torres, said that
Speaker 2: quote chronic food shortages, undrinkable water, crumbling mesh walls, and
Speaker 2: inadequate staffing led to the chaos unquote. Those being held
Speaker 2: by ICE at the facility have reported overcrowding and being
Speaker 2: forced to sleep on the floor with drinking water either
Speaker 2: scalding hot or dirty and undrinkable.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think the initial attempt by the MAD accessor
Speaker 5: facility came after they were unable to access it for
Speaker 5: code compliance, and there's just no significant evidence a GEO
Speaker 5: group operates this facility by the way a prison contractor,
Speaker 5: and they've completely failed. It seems to comply with the
Speaker 5: basic human dignity requirements as well as building codes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just wanted to mention that.
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, so Garrison. I know, New Jersey in
Speaker 5: New York, very very different places, but just across the
Speaker 5: way there in New York City, New York City. Controller.
Speaker 5: I think you say a controller. You don't pronounce the tea.
Speaker 5: I want to say compatroller. I want to say comptroller to.
Speaker 2: The glorified accountant, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Right, he is a city. He's a big boy accountant.
Speaker 2: And one of the two kind of okay mayoral candidates.
Speaker 5: Yeah who a crossingdoors.
Speaker 2: Soron Momdani and Brad Lander.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Lander is like a progressive Democrat. For what it's worse,
Speaker 5: he's also Jewish. He was detained by federal agents while
Speaker 5: accompanying a person from their immigration hearing. This is something
Speaker 5: Landa has done before. He linked arms with a man
Speaker 5: whose case had just been dismissed and who was targeted
Speaker 5: by marked agents. Lander repeatedly asked to see a judicial warrant.
Speaker 5: What agent tried to pry him away from the man
Speaker 5: he was trying to protect. As they detained him, Landers said,
Speaker 5: quoting here, you don't have the authority to arrest US citizens.
Speaker 5: A few hours later, Lander was released from custody the
Speaker 5: man he was with, who Lander pointed out, and like,
Speaker 5: you know, credit where it's due, he tried to divert
Speaker 5: focus to the person who has not been released and
Speaker 5: probably will not be released, and as Lander pointed out,
Speaker 5: whose first language was Yoruba, but was only provided with
Speaker 5: a French translator, which is not uncommon for people with
Speaker 5: languages that are not Romance languages. When Lander was released, DHS,
Speaker 5: a Department of Haundum Security claimed and email to Hellgate,
Speaker 5: New York, which is a great outlet that my friend
Speaker 5: Max stood up a while ago. He was arrested for quote,
Speaker 5: assaulting law in force and impeding a federal officer Zelmoormira.
Speaker 5: I think I'm pronouncing ana correctly. A state senator and
Speaker 5: mayoral candidate called the arrest and I quote fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. He certainly did not assault any of
Speaker 2: those unmarked armed agents.
Speaker 5: No, quite the opposite.
Speaker 2: Actually he did not even defend himself against the violence
Speaker 2: that the yeah, that they were using.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So this is the second incident this week of
Speaker 5: a democratic politician being detained. Senator Alex Padilla was also
Speaker 5: detained outside a Christine non press conference in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Right after trying to ask her a question.
Speaker 5: Yes, trying to ask a very reasonable question. Clearly, this
Speaker 5: aesthetic is something that the regime is going for right now,
Speaker 5: right violent assaults of opposition politicians. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 5: Landa's going to be charged. I have not seen anything
Speaker 5: about charging for Padilla either, but that's not really the point.
Speaker 2: Prior to grabbing him, the agents were heard talking about
Speaker 2: if they wanted to arrest the controller.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's worth noting that Lander also has an NYPD
Speaker 5: protection in detail. Who I guess accompanied him once he
Speaker 5: was detained. Cool.
Speaker 2: The last thing we're going to mention today is some
Speaker 2: more unfortunate news that came out of Saturday with the
Speaker 2: Trump military parade and the know King's protests. Very early
Speaker 2: that morning, too, Democratic politicians from state of Minnesota and
Speaker 2: their spouses were shot in a series of targeted assassination attempts.
Speaker 2: Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark Hortman
Speaker 2: were murdered. The other two targets, State Senator John Hoffman
Speaker 2: and his wife, were able to survive.
Speaker 5: It seems like the person who did the shooting. The
Speaker 5: person has now been detained name of Varanes Boulta. Disguised
Speaker 5: himself as a cop and was wearing a mask, and
Speaker 5: that was how he was able to get the Holtmans
Speaker 5: to open the door of their house and shortly thereafter
Speaker 5: he shot them both.
Speaker 2: I want to do a full episode in the future
Speaker 2: on this incident and the way it relates to rising
Speaker 2: political tensions across the country. Unsurprisingly, the guy who did
Speaker 2: the shooting is kind of a weird dude.
Speaker 5: Weird little guy, you might say.
Speaker 2: Garrison a weird little guy with a mix of political motivations,
Speaker 2: including anti abortion sentiments, and appeared to choose to do
Speaker 2: the attack Saturday morning to disrupt and spark violence at
Speaker 2: anti Trump protests later that day. I think that's all
Speaker 2: I need to do on this for now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we will cover it in more detail, and we're
Speaker 5: still trying to sort of gather our thoughts and our
Speaker 5: sources on it. But uh, pretty horrible shit. Yeah, any
Speaker 5: good news to end with?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. But I will end with
Speaker 2: saying we reported the news.
Speaker 4: We reported the news.
Speaker 2: It could happen.
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