WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #21

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder. Sure is

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<v Speaker 2>our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House,

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<v Speaker 2>the crumbling world what it means for you. I'm Garrison

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<v Speaker 2>Davis today I'm joined by James Stout and Robert Evans.

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<v Speaker 2>You sure are lucky you this episode, we are covering

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<v Speaker 2>the week of June eleven to June eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's right, the greatest week of all time. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>it sucked, terrible week.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we are probably getting closer to a war with Iran,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, great, Yeah, We're at least getting more and more

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<v Speaker 3>involved in Israel's war with Iran. I guess we can

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<v Speaker 3>probably start by talking about that. Yeah, So this situation

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<v Speaker 3>as it stands. First off, I just want to note

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<v Speaker 3>that I don't think the worry here is World War three.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think the worry here is global thermonuclear war.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the worry here is the US allows itself

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<v Speaker 3>to get involved in an other boondoggle overseas and contributes

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<v Speaker 3>to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, largely civilians,

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<v Speaker 3>because we again continue to back Israel to the hilt, like,

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's the threat. I'm seeing a lot of Oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, the World War three is coming, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just don't think that's the thing to be focused on.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing to be focused on is like a massive

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<v Speaker 3>expansion of the bombing of urban areas in Iran. You

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<v Speaker 3>know the fact that Trump has been talking at all

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<v Speaker 3>about evacuating a large segment of Tehran, which is about

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<v Speaker 3>as populous as the Los Angeles metro area and not evacuable.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, ten billion people. Yeah, yeah, where are they going, buddy?

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<v Speaker 3>There's just no way to really do that, is It's

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<v Speaker 3>really bad now when it comes to does Iran have

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<v Speaker 3>a nuke, well, they say they don't, and no one's

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<v Speaker 3>presented any evidence that they do, Like at least officially,

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<v Speaker 3>Iran stopped their nuclear development program in like two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and three. There's you know, always in Israel has always

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<v Speaker 3>been claiming that they're continuing to work on it in secret.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we don't have a good a good context

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<v Speaker 3>for exactly how much work there is going on. But

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<v Speaker 3>Iran has been per conservatives in Israel a week away

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<v Speaker 3>from having nukes for fucking my entire adult life, and

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<v Speaker 3>then some so I don't see any evidence that they're

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<v Speaker 3>further along to that goal than they were in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>or in two thousand and three, and until presented with

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<v Speaker 3>that evidence, my assumption is going to be that most

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<v Speaker 3>of these claims are.

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<v Speaker 4>Based on lies.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, the strikes that Israel has carried out are mostly

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<v Speaker 3>it's a mix of assassination strikes like attacking the homes

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<v Speaker 3>and whatnot of scientists and of people who are involved

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<v Speaker 3>in the Iranian government who can be particularly people who

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<v Speaker 3>may have some ties to their weapons development programs. They've

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<v Speaker 3>also just been striking a lot of heavily populated areas,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of under that agis. There's been claimed strikes and

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<v Speaker 3>some definite strikes on what at least were research facilities

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<v Speaker 3>and nuclear research facilities.

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<v Speaker 4>There's very little.

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<v Speaker 3>Evidence that the strikes they're carrying out could deal with

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of deep underground research foracilities that Israel claims

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<v Speaker 3>is where Iran is making most.

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<v Speaker 4>Of their progress.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is why there's a lot of talk about the

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<v Speaker 3>US getting involved, because we have these munitions that are

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<v Speaker 3>specially designed to go much deeper than anything Israel has,

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<v Speaker 3>but they have to be launched from a B two,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like our big stealth bomber that might theoretically

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<v Speaker 3>be able to reach this big underground research area that

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<v Speaker 3>Iran is supposedly doing their nuclear research in.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>The direct reason why Netan yahoo once the US involved,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's kind of the most credible speculation is to like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>if the US starts getting involved, what would we do?

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<v Speaker 3>What would be the first direct act that we'd carry out?

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<v Speaker 3>And it might be something like using a B two

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<v Speaker 3>to drop one of these bunker busters in Iran.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, people have been speculating wildly about various separatists groups

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<v Speaker 5>in Iran, right, both BLOK and Kurdish.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I have seen a number of photos that are more

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<v Speaker 5>than a decade old circulating with the claim that they

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<v Speaker 5>are happening currently. That not for what it's worth. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't see the US allying with with Peyak or the

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<v Speaker 5>No Kurtis Dan Free Life Party that's still listed a

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<v Speaker 5>foreign terrorist organization. Obama did that and it hasn't come off.

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<v Speaker 5>So it would be quite a swing for the for

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<v Speaker 5>the US to first delist them and then immediately sort

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<v Speaker 5>of do what they did with the with the PYD

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<v Speaker 5>in Western Kurdistan. Right, So don't see that happening in

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<v Speaker 5>the near future anyway. It's anything's on the table with

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<v Speaker 5>the Trump administration, right, But yeah, I think some of

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<v Speaker 5>that speculation is maybe not grounded in reality. There are

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<v Speaker 5>other It's kdpis PAK right, these is sort of more

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<v Speaker 5>amenable to the American political outlook Kurdish groups. But again,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't see anything to indicate that the US is

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<v Speaker 5>attempting to arm and equip a proxy force to do

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<v Speaker 5>like land warfare in Iran.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we could be a few days, we could be

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<v Speaker 5>a few weeks away from that, but then there's not

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<v Speaker 5>indicating it yet.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's a couple of things people will bring up

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<v Speaker 3>whenever they think that the US is about to go

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<v Speaker 3>to war with Iran or someone else. One of them

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<v Speaker 3>is like the Pentagon dominoes order, like basically the dominoes

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<v Speaker 3>near the Pentagon, Like how busy it is, right, the

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<v Speaker 3>idea being that they order a bunch of pizza when

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's going to be staying in staying up late in

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<v Speaker 3>order to carry out some sort of a strike or

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<v Speaker 3>a deployment.

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<v Speaker 4>And the other that.

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<v Speaker 3>I've started seeing is like photos of lobster being served

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<v Speaker 3>at various bases, and people being like they only serve

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<v Speaker 3>lobster when they're about to deploy everybody, Neither.

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<v Speaker 4>Of these is accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Pentagon pizza thing is a common myth, but

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<v Speaker 3>you can find one hundred cases. Sure, you can find

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of cases where pizza sales surged and we

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<v Speaker 3>were carrying out some sort of attack and one of those.

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<v Speaker 3>You can find one hundred times where pizza case, like,

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<v Speaker 3>pizza orders surged and nothing happened because like someone had

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<v Speaker 3>people had to stay overnight to get some compliant shit

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<v Speaker 3>ready or whatever. Like the fact that people are ordering

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<v Speaker 3>pizza at the Pentagon, they do it for reasons other

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<v Speaker 3>than war. Or ditto if you talk to anyone who

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<v Speaker 3>was deployed, surf and turf and lobster are served with

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<v Speaker 3>some regularity at a variety of bases, and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>correspond necessarily to any kind of mass movement or activation.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to actually, like look at the degree of

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<v Speaker 3>time it took to get the forces ready that we

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<v Speaker 3>moved in with to invade Iraq in two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 3>because it was a massive logistical effort and it was

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<v Speaker 3>super obvious what we were doing because hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 3>of people had to be moved around the world with

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<v Speaker 3>massive amounts of materiall. And what you're seeing right now

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<v Speaker 3>is you're seeing a lot of our refueling planes, like

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<v Speaker 3>you're seeing a lot of those moving into the area.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're moving the Nimitz carrier groups with second carrier

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<v Speaker 3>group into the area. But those don't say to me,

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<v Speaker 3>we're about to have tens to hundreds of thousands of

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<v Speaker 3>ground troops invading Iran. Those say number one, as we

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<v Speaker 3>were doing previously, we're expecting a lot of incoming towards Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>and we are going to continue to help shoot down

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<v Speaker 3>that incoming. And number two, and this is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>the most extreme thing that I see right now. We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be either directly supporting or carrying out airstrikes

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<v Speaker 3>in I run and both of those are possible based

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<v Speaker 3>on what we've seen. But what we're not seeing is

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<v Speaker 3>full scale military evidence of a full scale military deployment.

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<v Speaker 3>We're just there's just not evidence of that yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, especially because the entire military is busy with more

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<v Speaker 2>important matters, like it's poorly marching in a line in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>d C. Including rolling over, rolling over, a woman in

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<v Speaker 2>a tank, I believe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they killed a lady with Well it wasn't in

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<v Speaker 3>a tank, it was the truck carrying the tank.

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<v Speaker 4>There you go, which is fucked up.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's only it's only the Soviets rollover people with tanks.

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<v Speaker 5>In America. We put tanks on a truck, rollover with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So this past Saturday we saw Trump's birthday party military parade,

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<v Speaker 2>also celebrating the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the

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<v Speaker 2>US military. Meanwhile, across the country, in almost every major city,

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<v Speaker 2>there was quote unquote no Kings protests in protest of

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<v Speaker 2>the Donald Trump military parade event. I think they renamed

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<v Speaker 2>them no Tyrants garrison to uh except yes, to not

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<v Speaker 2>piss off Kings. Yes, yes, in the in the countries

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<v Speaker 2>where there are monarchies. Yeah, the No Kings organization renamed

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<v Speaker 2>renamed their protests to no Tyrants.

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<v Speaker 5>You'll need to hang your fucking head and shame if

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<v Speaker 5>you're doing that. Shame, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>But before we get to what's sucked about this, we

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<v Speaker 3>should talk about some stuff that I think was good planning. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>for official number one, it was smart to hold a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of mass demonstrations the weekend of his birthday in

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<v Speaker 3>order to make that not the main story, and also

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of it further highlighted the fact that his

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<v Speaker 3>the big military parade looked like shit, Like this was

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<v Speaker 3>not that was not that's not like bad planning, right,

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<v Speaker 3>like you want to do it And the distract and

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that these were so large is not bad, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's not enough. It's a start point, not an endpoint.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's a lot to be worried about here, including

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that they have no real demands, clearly, which

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<v Speaker 3>you can kind of see from the fact that they

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<v Speaker 3>went from no kings to know tyrants when they were like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>now there's going to be some sympathy protests and places

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<v Speaker 3>with kings.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have the some kings protest.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe just hold the line that kings are bad homeie.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but I will say again, like timing

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<v Speaker 3>was not bad, and the number of people they were

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<v Speaker 3>able to mobilize, the scale of the demonstrations, these are

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<v Speaker 3>good things. And there's costs for some optimism here. So

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I never want us to just be like

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<v Speaker 3>shitting on people trying to do stuff. So let's start

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<v Speaker 3>by saying like there were some good stuff here, there

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<v Speaker 3>were some good calls made. There were also some bad

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<v Speaker 3>calls made, and we're going to talk about those now.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. I think if I just give an overview of

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<v Speaker 5>the violence used against protesters and then we can get

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<v Speaker 5>into a couple of these incidents.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, sure, absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been trying to collate a list of arm threat

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<v Speaker 5>I'm aware of arm threatened Phoenix, where the person was

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<v Speaker 5>arrested in Pueblo, where the person was I guess suppressed

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<v Speaker 5>by like people at the parade, armed people at parade,

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<v Speaker 5>and then arrested. Nashville the person was arrested and had

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<v Speaker 5>a shotgun with some pretty concerning right wa shit on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the one that had bombs or was that

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<v Speaker 3>the Phoenix guy?

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<v Speaker 5>I think I'm not aware of the I haven't read

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<v Speaker 5>about the bombs. The guy in Nashville had a moss

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<v Speaker 5>Berg five hundred with like one three one and Dais

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<v Speaker 5>Voult and yeah, yeah, yeah, all kinds of right wing

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<v Speaker 5>shit and some I had a Curtis yarb in Dark Enlightenment.

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<v Speaker 3>Patch Jesus, Yeah, not great, good week for courtisyar of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, big pr okay, Yeah, No King's protester,

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<v Speaker 3>the armed man arrested at the protest in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, that's another one.

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<v Speaker 4>Had more than a dozen explosives at home. Kevin Krebs. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so we've seen that's four armed attacks right Pennsylvania, Phoenix, Pueblo,

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<v Speaker 5>in Nashville that I'm aware of that maybe more. It's

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<v Speaker 5>been kind of hard to collate these, and when we're

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<v Speaker 5>recording pretty shortly after those protests happened in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 5>the artthreat came from the cops who tear gassed people,

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<v Speaker 5>shot them with impact munitions, trampled them with horses, and

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<v Speaker 5>hit them with billy clubs.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the same thing in port We had a mass

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<v Speaker 3>rally in Portland, like the No King's rally, which was

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<v Speaker 3>like mostly fairly safe and kind of like more lib

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<v Speaker 3>and oriented, family friendly, and then that did because there

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<v Speaker 3>were so many people out in like the eight to

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<v Speaker 3>ten thousand range. You got a much larger demonstration at

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<v Speaker 3>the ICE headquarters building in McCadam in Portland than we'd

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<v Speaker 3>been seeing. There have been demonstrations there for a while,

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<v Speaker 3>but they've mostly been in the dozens. And there were

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<v Speaker 3>on Saturday, like six hundred people or so at the

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<v Speaker 3>height of that, and so folks managed to actually breach

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<v Speaker 3>the door of the facility briefly. On several occasions, BORTTAC

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<v Speaker 3>officers pulled their live firearms and pointed them at the

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<v Speaker 3>crowd like unholstered handguns, and in one case is a

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<v Speaker 3>pistol calendar car mine aimed.

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<v Speaker 4>Them at people.

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<v Speaker 3>A nurse who was showing up there to do protest

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<v Speaker 3>medic stuff got shot in the eye with a less

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<v Speaker 3>than lethal munition. So just a tremendous amount of violence

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<v Speaker 3>and something like thirty four arrests so far over the

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<v Speaker 3>last few days. Yeah, protests continue at the ICE headquarters.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Similar situation in Atlanta where there was arrests at the

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<v Speaker 2>big protest on Saturday. To your gas, people were charged

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<v Speaker 2>with wearing a mask at a protest, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>crime in Georgia. It was rescinded during the pandemic, but

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<v Speaker 2>now it is being enforced once again.

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<v Speaker 4>San Diego's go ahead. I was just gonna say, you know, what,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't san Diego our sponsors.

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<v Speaker 5>Hopefully he can never tell mate.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm aware of like Bebe five vehicular rammings across

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<v Speaker 5>the week or so attacks with vehicles at least one

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<v Speaker 5>person in a coma. San Diego's protest, by contrast, was

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<v Speaker 5>I've seen various numbers, but extremely safe, very very like

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<v Speaker 5>lib coded. I saw a post from the police congratulating

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<v Speaker 5>the protesters on a peaceful protest day. So it went

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<v Speaker 5>down differently here. I have been denied my press bus

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<v Speaker 5>by the city of San Diego because they exempted podcasts

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<v Speaker 5>when we were mean to Todd Gloria.

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<v Speaker 3>They really got pissed at that, didn't they.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Yeah, we got him, man, We got him. So parking,

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<v Speaker 5>what's a motherfucker for me? Because I don't have one

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<v Speaker 5>of the press parking placards. It's only caught the tail

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<v Speaker 5>end of that.

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<v Speaker 2>We continue the igadapenir tradition of getting into rivalries with

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<v Speaker 2>various municipal governments.

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<v Speaker 3>They all hate us. You got to wonder why, man,

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<v Speaker 3>because we're doing our job.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, which is increasingly rare in the media these days,

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<v Speaker 5>especially the local media in San Diego. You can read

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<v Speaker 5>my Patreon piece about the local media and the mayor.

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<v Speaker 5>If you want to, let's talk about Salt Lake City, right,

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<v Speaker 5>Salt Lake City. This was first reported as like a

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<v Speaker 5>prevented mass shooting. Should we like break down the timeline

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<v Speaker 5>of events? How do we want to process?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>So basically what happened at the event right is there

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<v Speaker 3>was a person in all black carrying an AR fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>A member of now the five ZHO five oh one organization,

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<v Speaker 3>and this was a five oh five oh one protest

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<v Speaker 3>has uniformed by saying, by uniform to me, they're wearing

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<v Speaker 3>like yellow hypas vests, but they've got they've got marked security.

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<v Speaker 3>All of these are volunteers, per their own claims, these

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<v Speaker 3>are mostly like veterans and first responders in people with

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of relevant experience. One of these protest security

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<v Speaker 3>people saw this person carrying an AR at the protest.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no evidence that this person took violent actions, that

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<v Speaker 3>they were aiming their weapon at anyone, that they were

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<v Speaker 3>doing anything other than marching in a matter that is legal.

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<v Speaker 3>It is legal to open carry. There's no evidence that

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen that the person that they saw with the

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<v Speaker 3>AR broke the law. Protest security pulled what I believe

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<v Speaker 3>at this point to have been a concealed handgun and

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<v Speaker 3>opened fire. They wounded the person with the AR fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>and they hit and killed an unrelated person who was

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<v Speaker 3>just at the march and who was not the person

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<v Speaker 3>that they were aiming at, and killed that person.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. That person was called author Falosa Alou.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they are a fashion designer of Samoan ancestry with

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<v Speaker 3>two children. Yeah, and they died on the scene. The

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<v Speaker 3>person who was carrying the air fifteen is the second

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<v Speaker 3>generation of Venezuelan immigrant and a long time anti fascist

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<v Speaker 3>activist who was wounded, and they are currently being charged.

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<v Speaker 3>The person who was shot, not the person who did

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<v Speaker 3>the shooting, is currently being charged by law enforcement. And

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<v Speaker 3>basically in the same manner is that like if you

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<v Speaker 3>rob a corner store in the police open fire to

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<v Speaker 3>stop you and they hit and kill someone else, you

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<v Speaker 3>will get charged with murder, right, And the argument is that,

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<v Speaker 3>like you started the crime, and there's you know, an

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<v Speaker 3>argument to be made there when you actually did do

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<v Speaker 3>a crime. But again, this individual, there's no evidence whatsoever

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<v Speaker 3>that I've seen that they committed a crime.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Utah's an open Kyrie state, right, Utah is an open

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<v Speaker 5>Carrie state.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight.

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<v Speaker 3>None of the video footage I have seen, none of

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<v Speaker 3>the evidence I have seen whatsoever suggests that this person

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<v Speaker 3>was threatening anyone at all with their firearms. Now, I

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<v Speaker 3>heard from some sources in the Salt Lake community, and

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<v Speaker 3>these people had seen the individual with the air fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>at previous demonstrations. They forwarded me some photos of this

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<v Speaker 3>person in twenty twenty at protests, open carrying and dressed

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<v Speaker 3>basically the same as they were dressed at this protest.

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<v Speaker 3>They told me this was the person was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>known in the community. They were not like super deeply

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<v Speaker 3>tied in. They had noted that they seemed a little

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<v Speaker 3>awkward with their gear back in twenty twenty, and that

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<v Speaker 3>in general maybe they were like a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>like kind of an awkward person, or at least that

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<v Speaker 3>was the vibes that these folks got. And they were

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<v Speaker 3>dressed more radically than was common for the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>the protest right. They were wearing all black, they had like,

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<v Speaker 3>I think a bandana on their face, and their suspicion

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<v Speaker 3>when they reached out to me was like, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 3>think maybe he was dressed too militantly for a liberal march,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was like adjusting his kit or something, and

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<v Speaker 3>one of the security people's got spooted an open fire.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>The five oh five oh one organization's first statement was that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, basically this had been a crime that had

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<v Speaker 3>been averted, and the fact that someone else had been

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<v Speaker 3>shot and killed was like deeply tragic, but like protest

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<v Speaker 3>security had you know, taken action. And then within a

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<v Speaker 3>few hours of that they were like, actually, it's become

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<v Speaker 3>clear we don't know exactly what's going on here, so

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to continue to wait to hear what's happening.

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<v Speaker 3>But obviously, you know, the presence of guns is what

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<v Speaker 3>caused this in the first place. Some more information has

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<v Speaker 3>since come out, including five h five oh one's guide

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<v Speaker 3>for Dealing and de Escalating People with firearms for their

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<v Speaker 3>marked Security, which is quite bad, like to say the least,

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<v Speaker 3>like deeply inadequate and quite racist and quite racist. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a part in it where there's like a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>where it's talking about like the different kind of body

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<v Speaker 3>language that can show you someone's about to get violent,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's just like some clip art of non white

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<v Speaker 3>people with guns. I don't know why they put the

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<v Speaker 3>clip art in. Yeah, it's bad, it's really fucked up

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<v Speaker 3>in awkward. I have reached out for a statement from

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<v Speaker 3>five oh five oh one.

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<v Speaker 4>But I haven't heard from them yet. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The book is called Streetwise and Study a workbook for

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<v Speaker 3>action peacekeepers or event marshals, and I guess they're calling

0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:15.000
<v Speaker 3>them action peacekeepers. A peacekeeper, sometimes called a marshal or

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<v Speaker 3>action ambassador, helps keep people safe and make sure the

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<v Speaker 3>action goes smoothly. The essential supplies for a prepared peacekeeper

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<v Speaker 3>are a fully charged cell phone, contacts for police, liaison,

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<v Speaker 3>legal observers, and other key action roles. Schedule events, map

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<v Speaker 3>with the march route, first aid supplies your ID. Nothing

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<v Speaker 3>in there says that you're supposed to be carrying a

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<v Speaker 3>gun at My understanding is these people were not supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be armed.

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<v Speaker 4>This person who they're saying was a veteran was armed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a guide for people who are going to

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<v Speaker 3>be confronting violence, right, Like, it's not a very good

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<v Speaker 3>guide for that. And the de escalation stuff is really bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Like chapter seven is on de escalating with guns. Tips

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<v Speaker 3>for de escalating with guns. Don't panic your composer will

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<v Speaker 3>influence the crowd and likely the gun owner. Keep your

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<v Speaker 3>hands and avoid sudden movements. So so far that's good.

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<v Speaker 3>Speak softly and clearly, avoid shouting or aggressive tones. Try

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<v Speaker 3>to keep distance between the person with the weapon and

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<v Speaker 3>the crowd, which should move away slowly. If someone from

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<v Speaker 3>your team face the protesters, and if anyone attempts to

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<v Speaker 3>rescue the situation, which can make things worse ha HA.

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<v Speaker 3>Communicate with other peacekeepers and leaders and coordinate a safe response.

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<v Speaker 3>Be ready to evacuate or take shelter if necessary. Talk

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<v Speaker 3>calmly to the shooter and tell them you're not their enemy,

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<v Speaker 3>repeating a phrase such as you don't have to do this,

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to go to jail today. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to go to do this. Move deliberately and get

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<v Speaker 3>to solid cover. Walls, cars. Cars are not solid cover.

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<v Speaker 3>Cars are not solid cover. Neither are walls. A lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the time, Yeah, someone's got a rifle. Get the

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<v Speaker 3>group to sit or neil, typically for groups of high discipline. No,

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<v Speaker 3>don't get people to kneel. If you think a.

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<v Speaker 2>Shooter is about to open fire, that's not the right call.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>What worries me most is just both like this is

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of bad advice in there. Like it's

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<v Speaker 3>not all bad, but like there's a lot of bad

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<v Speaker 3>stuff in there, and they immediately the security member who

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<v Speaker 3>did the shooting and who killed someone, like, they immediately

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<v Speaker 3>backed them up and basically argued like yeah, like that

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<v Speaker 3>it's the fault of the person who was not doing

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<v Speaker 3>the shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so far complicit in framing somebody else for a killing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, and not mentioning Arthur philas Alu, right, the man

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<v Speaker 5>who was killed, yes, failing to acknowledge Well, they mentioned

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<v Speaker 5>that somebody died and that it was strategic by name, right,

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<v Speaker 5>like this is someone's dad, someone's potner. I don't think

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<v Speaker 5>their initial coverage did now. Yeah, I mean yeah, this

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<v Speaker 5>is fucking tragic. It's all round. It fucking sucks.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really tragic. It's awful. It's evan.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of things that are here. Number One,

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<v Speaker 3>when we're talking about like armed security, a big question

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<v Speaker 3>is like when is it more danger than.

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<v Speaker 4>It could help? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think Number one, a situation like this where

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<v Speaker 3>you have thousands and thousands of people in the street

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<v Speaker 3>is not one at this point in which you get

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<v Speaker 3>much out of having armed security. Number One, there's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be police swarming around, and even if you happened

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<v Speaker 3>to respond to a shooting. The odds that you get

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<v Speaker 3>shot while doing the right thing are high because there's

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<v Speaker 3>so many cops around. I talk a lot about the

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<v Speaker 3>Normandale shooting in Portland, in which a member of the

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<v Speaker 3>protest stopped a mass shooter and saved a number of lives.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a small demo. There was no one around, really,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was the kind of situation where you need

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<v Speaker 3>armed security because no one is going to come for you.

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<v Speaker 3>You are not going to get any kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>realistic response time if an emergency happens and you need

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to defend people immediately, right. That is

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<v Speaker 3>a very different kind of situation from ten thousand fucking

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<v Speaker 3>people are marching, right, So straight up, I would say, like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a situation if you're wondering, like, well, how

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<v Speaker 3>do we determine like where, what's a good time and

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<v Speaker 3>a bad time for showing up as an armed demonstrator,

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<v Speaker 3>I would say this is not a great time. And

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<v Speaker 3>I would say that's the primary mistake the person with

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<v Speaker 3>the ar made, right, which is not to say that

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<v Speaker 3>they deserve to be charged or that they caused this,

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<v Speaker 3>because they didn't. The person who saw someone not shooting

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<v Speaker 3>an opened fire and hit the wrong person, the person

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<v Speaker 3>who is liable here, yeah, and who was responsible for

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<v Speaker 3>things going badly. I think five oh five oh one

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<v Speaker 3>probably backed this person book because they lacked perfect information

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<v Speaker 3>and because they were really worried about their own legal

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<v Speaker 3>culpability here. But yeah, this is just a disaster. But

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<v Speaker 3>if you're saying anyone is responsible for this but the

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<v Speaker 3>person who opened fire, yeah, I think that's just silly,

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<v Speaker 3>especially since again, you're legally allowed to open carry in Utah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you might not be allowed to conceal carry it protest

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<v Speaker 3>like I did. I'm unaware of Utah law as regards

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<v Speaker 3>concealed carry, but you are allowed to open carry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Some states you could be permitted and not allowed to

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<v Speaker 5>carry a protest too.

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<v Speaker 2>After doing this for like a number of years now,

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<v Speaker 2>a consistent trend I've noticed is that oftentimes the most

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous person at a protest besides the police, are really

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<v Speaker 2>anyone wearing yellow vests. We saw this at the DNC

0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:59.720
<v Speaker 2>protests in Chicago, where protest Marshall's protest security were escalating

0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:02.760
<v Speaker 2>conf and trying to move certain demonstrators in the direction

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<v Speaker 2>of police. Similar things happened at protests in Portland, even

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<v Speaker 2>like pre twenty twenty, where people seen as quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>agitators would be treated incredibly hostile by protest security or

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<v Speaker 2>protest marshals, oftentimes trying to hand them over to police

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<v Speaker 2>custody if they were too disruptive at a protest or

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<v Speaker 2>at a demonstration.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, well you know what isn't disruptive at a demonstration?

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<v Speaker 3>We're throwing too our sponsors again, get bastards.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we are back. I have a few other

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<v Speaker 2>notes related to protests before we can move on. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess one aspect of the Atlanta protests that I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>mention before, which I think is kind of notable, is

0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:57.399
<v Speaker 2>proud boys showed up. And this is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>first resurgences of like uniformed proud boys that we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>kind of since j Sex. So I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>a notable trend to be aware of. Also, last week,

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<v Speaker 2>a US district judge, Charles Bramer ruled that Trump's National

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<v Speaker 2>Guard deployment was illegal, but the order to give control

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<v Speaker 2>of the National Guard back to Newsom has been paused

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<v Speaker 2>as the Trump administration appeals the ruling while maintaining command

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<v Speaker 2>of the Guard.

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<v Speaker 5>So something we haven't covered that much on an executive disorder,

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<v Speaker 5>but which has been happening have been the ongoing attempt

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<v Speaker 5>by the Trump administration to sell off public lands across

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<v Speaker 5>the United States, spetically across the Western states.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>In this case, I want to talk about Utah Senator

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<v Speaker 5>Mike Lee, who have authored this part of the Budgiet

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<v Speaker 5>Reconciliation Bill, which mandates the sale of between two and

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 5>three million acres of public land managed by the Bureau

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<v Speaker 5>of Land Management and the Forest Service. It's happening across

0:24:55.920 --> 0:25:01.680
<v Speaker 5>eleven different states. They are Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Noviland,

0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 5>New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming. I guess the

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<v Speaker 5>West of the Rockies appreciators will notice that Montana is missing.

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<v Speaker 5>That is because Montana's senators said they would break ranks

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<v Speaker 5>with the party of or any sale of public land

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 5>in estate. So they just got exempted, which kind of

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 5>shows how very transactional this is, as does the exemption

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<v Speaker 5>for mining claims and mineral leases. Right, So it's a

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<v Speaker 5>public land, which is when you take a mining claim

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<v Speaker 5>on public land, you can do all kinds of shit

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<v Speaker 5>to that land, right, and it technically remains public land,

0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:40.400
<v Speaker 5>but in practice these big mining interests have hugelywhigh and

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<v Speaker 5>can obviously, like irreparably damage that public land they're exempt.

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<v Speaker 5>So briefly, there was an exemption for grazing that seems

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<v Speaker 5>to be missing in the most recent version that I

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<v Speaker 5>have seen. For people not familiar, a large amount of

0:25:56.080 --> 0:26:00.560
<v Speaker 5>Bureau of Land Management land is leased by cattle farmers

0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 5>for grazing. The Wilderness Society has published a really excellent

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<v Speaker 5>interactive map of land that potentially could be sold. I

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 5>will link it in the show notes and encourage you

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<v Speaker 5>to check it out look at the land where you live.

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<v Speaker 5>The Wordness Society has said that this will also quote

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 5>mandate oily sales in the Arctic, refuge force, construction of

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 5>a mining road through a national park, and more than

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<v Speaker 5>double the amount of logging in Western national forests. This

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<v Speaker 5>is the Trump administration's approach to fire management.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>This is not one that is based in evidence. We

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.640
<v Speaker 5>have decaded evidence that logging does not lead to better

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 5>fire management, but it does lead to more profit for

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 5>logging companies right in theory. The idea here, and I

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 5>think this is a pretty cynical claim, is that this

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<v Speaker 5>would allow for more affordable housing to be built near

0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 5>cities that have a housing problem right, which is nearly

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 5>all the cities in the United States. In practice, BLM

0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 5>and US Forest Service land is almost all unsuitable for

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:04.640
<v Speaker 5>affordable housing. It's miles from utilities, It's often not well

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 5>served by road networks. I'm looking extensively at the parcels

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 5>in San Diego which could be listed for sale. They're

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 5>so steep that it would be almost impossible to build

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 5>stuff there. In practice, most of this land will be

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.400
<v Speaker 5>sold to large corperations. It may be used for large

0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.160
<v Speaker 5>and highly expensive homes, but it's very unlikely that you're

0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:26.800
<v Speaker 5>going to see like apartment buildings. I read through the

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:30.160
<v Speaker 5>latest version today. States do have a right first refusal

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.200
<v Speaker 5>to the land being sold, so that would mean states

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 5>could effectively buy it and turn it into like state

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 5>public land if they wanted to. The revenue from the

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 5>sales will go into the general fund, so it won't

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 5>go into conservation. Much of the other money you pay

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:46.880
<v Speaker 5>to a BLM or the Forest Service or like hunting

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.360
<v Speaker 5>lights and sales for instance, often go directly to conservation

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 5>their ring fence for it. This is not only five

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 5>percent will be reserved for deferred maintenance of public land,

0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:59.160
<v Speaker 5>which is something that's badly underfunded right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is pretty bad. This is one of those.

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<v Speaker 5>Things that people are asking people to call their representative

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 5>or senator about. And you can check the show notes

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:10.200
<v Speaker 5>for more links on that. Look at the wilderness dot

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:13.879
<v Speaker 5>org link if you're interested in that. Gay talking of

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:17.239
<v Speaker 5>housing crises, you wanted to talk about some migrants who

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<v Speaker 5>have been housed in a potentially substandard facility in New York, right, I.

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Mean, yeah, if you consider prison housing, which I guess

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of.

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 5>Is garrison, that's the that's in New America.

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Fuco mentioned, So I actually want to talk about an

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 2>escape from an ICE facility in Newark, New Jersey. This

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 2>was Delaney Hall, a one thousand bed privately owned facility

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 2>that ICE operates. This has been the site of multiple

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 2>protests outside the building in recent weeks, including that one

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>where the mayor was arrested, and there was a protest

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 2>on the night of Thursday, June twelfth because earlier that

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 2>day unrest in the building started after detainees were served

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>in sufficient lunch just three slices of bread after not

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>receiving food for more than twenty hours, people on the

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>upper floor covered up security cameras and started damaging walls.

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 2>They overwhelmed security guards on the floor, and four people

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>managed to escape by kicking through an interior wall. The

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 2>three of the men are now back in federal custody,

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 2>but one still remains free, with the FBI posting wanted

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>flyers and offering up to twenty five thousand dollars for

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 2>information leading to his arrest. The executive director of the

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey Alliance for Immigrant Justice, Amy Torres, said that

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>quote chronic food shortages, undrinkable water, crumbling mesh walls, and

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 2>inadequate staffing led to the chaos unquote. Those being held

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 2>by ICE at the facility have reported overcrowding and being

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 2>forced to sleep on the floor with drinking water either

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 2>scalding hot or dirty and undrinkable.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. I think the initial attempt by the MAD accessor

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 5>facility came after they were unable to access it for

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 5>code compliance, and there's just no significant evidence a GEO

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 5>group operates this facility by the way a prison contractor,

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 5>and they've completely failed. It seems to comply with the

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 5>basic human dignity requirements as well as building codes.

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just I just wanted to mention that.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess, yeah, so Garrison. I know, New Jersey in

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 5>New York, very very different places, but just across the

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 5>way there in New York City, New York City. Controller.

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 5>I think you say a controller. You don't pronounce the tea.

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 5>I want to say compatroller. I want to say comptroller to.

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<v Speaker 2>The glorified accountant, right, yeah, yeah.

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 5>Right, he is a city. He's a big boy accountant.

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>And one of the two kind of okay mayoral candidates.

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah who a crossingdoors.

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Soron Momdani and Brad Lander.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Lander is like a progressive Democrat. For what it's worse,

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 5>he's also Jewish. He was detained by federal agents while

0:30:59.880 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 5>accompanying a person from their immigration hearing. This is something

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 5>Landa has done before. He linked arms with a man

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 5>whose case had just been dismissed and who was targeted

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 5>by marked agents. Lander repeatedly asked to see a judicial warrant.

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:16.479
<v Speaker 5>What agent tried to pry him away from the man

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 5>he was trying to protect. As they detained him, Landers said,

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 5>quoting here, you don't have the authority to arrest US citizens.

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 5>A few hours later, Lander was released from custody the

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 5>man he was with, who Lander pointed out, and like,

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, credit where it's due, he tried to divert

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 5>focus to the person who has not been released and

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 5>probably will not be released, and as Lander pointed out,

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 5>whose first language was Yoruba, but was only provided with

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 5>a French translator, which is not uncommon for people with

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 5>languages that are not Romance languages. When Lander was released, DHS,

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 5>a Department of Haundum Security claimed and email to Hellgate,

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 5>New York, which is a great outlet that my friend

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 5>Max stood up a while ago. He was arrested for quote,

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 5>assaulting law in force and impeding a federal officer Zelmoormira.

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 5>I think I'm pronouncing ana correctly. A state senator and

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 5>mayoral candidate called the arrest and I quote fucking ridiculous.

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was. He certainly did not assault any of

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 2>those unmarked armed agents.

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 5>No, quite the opposite.

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Actually he did not even defend himself against the violence

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 2>that the yeah, that they were using.

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. So this is the second incident this week of

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 5>a democratic politician being detained. Senator Alex Padilla was also

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 5>detained outside a Christine non press conference in Los Angeles.

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Right after trying to ask her a question.

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 5>Yes, trying to ask a very reasonable question. Clearly, this

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 5>aesthetic is something that the regime is going for right now,

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 5>right violent assaults of opposition politicians. It doesn't seem like

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 5>Landa's going to be charged. I have not seen anything

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 5>about charging for Padilla either, but that's not really the point.

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Prior to grabbing him, the agents were heard talking about

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 2>if they wanted to arrest the controller.

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's worth noting that Lander also has an NYPD

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 5>protection in detail. Who I guess accompanied him once he

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 5>was detained. Cool.

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 2>The last thing we're going to mention today is some

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 2>more unfortunate news that came out of Saturday with the

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Trump military parade and the know King's protests. Very early

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 2>that morning, too, Democratic politicians from state of Minnesota and

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:24.959
<v Speaker 2>their spouses were shot in a series of targeted assassination attempts.

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark Hortman

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 2>were murdered. The other two targets, State Senator John Hoffman

0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 2>and his wife, were able to survive.

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 5>It seems like the person who did the shooting. The

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 5>person has now been detained name of Varanes Boulta. Disguised

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 5>himself as a cop and was wearing a mask, and

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 5>that was how he was able to get the Holtmans

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 5>to open the door of their house and shortly thereafter

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 5>he shot them both.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do a full episode in the future

0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.479
<v Speaker 2>on this incident and the way it relates to rising

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>political tensions across the country. Unsurprisingly, the guy who did

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 2>the shooting is kind of a weird dude.

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 5>Weird little guy, you might say.

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Garrison a weird little guy with a mix of political motivations,

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 2>including anti abortion sentiments, and appeared to choose to do

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 2>the attack Saturday morning to disrupt and spark violence at

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 2>anti Trump protests later that day. I think that's all

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 2>I need to do on this for now.

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we will cover it in more detail, and we're

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 5>still trying to sort of gather our thoughts and our

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 5>sources on it. But uh, pretty horrible shit. Yeah, any

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 5>good news to end with?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think so. But I will end with

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<v Speaker 2>saying we reported the news.

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<v Speaker 4>We reported the news.

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<v Speaker 2>It could happen.

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<v Speaker 2>You listen to podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>You can now find sources for it could happen here,

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<v Speaker 1>listed directly in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.