1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grayson. This is 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: Does she never go away? Why can't she just get 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: a job and be quiet? 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the fake heiress, the con artist that 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: conned we know of about a quarter million dollars out 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: of friends and businesses. Anna Delvy now whining. Wait for it, 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: she's quote embarrassed. 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: Quote about how much weight she gained behind bars. 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: Shouldn't she be embarrassed for conning people out of a 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: quarter of a million dollars? 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: Quote the food is just the worst? 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 1: Delvy toll page six, about her stint behind bars. Quote, 14 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: I looked really, really bad when I came out of jail. 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: I think I was at my heaviest and I was 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: like really self conscious. 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 2: It's so embarrassing. Is she crazy? She should be embarrassed 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 2: about conning. 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: Friends, ripping them off to the tune of about a 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: quarter million dollars? 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: How did she do it? Let's take a little flashback. 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: With an extravagant lifestyle and a seemingly endless supply of money, 23 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: Delvy was an enigma that was made for the age 24 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,919 Speaker 3: of Instagram. Always at the right place, with the right people, 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: living her best life. But with no apparent cause for 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: her fame. Her circle of acquaintances was fed various stories 27 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: as to how she accumulated her vast wealth. Her father 28 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: was a Russian billionaire, a Russian diplomat, an oil tycoon, 29 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 3: a Russian antiques collector, or a solar energy capitalist. While 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 3: many parts of Delvy's story were fluid, some things were consistent. 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: Delvy made no effort to hide her internship at the 32 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: Paris magazine Purple, and made it very clear that her 33 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,639 Speaker 3: dream was to open a Soho house for art and quote. 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: Upset fake German heiress and a serrokean guilty of grand 35 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: larceny after a life of fake ripping people off to 36 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: nearly a quarter of a million dollars that we know of, 37 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: who would believe a Russian heiress and fork over thousands 38 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: of dollars? And in court she was more upset about 39 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: her designer clothing wardrobe than she was about being found guilty. 40 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: Now that's unusual. This girl and a Serrocan also known 41 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: as Anna Delviy, somehow manages to con so Ho Elite out. 42 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: Of a quarter of a million dollars, joining me in 43 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: all star lineup. 44 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: Jeff Cortize former FBI Special Agent Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, 45 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: author of Red Flags, Doctor William in July psychologist in 46 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: John Limley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter John Limley 47 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: help me out. This girl shows up. Her skin is 48 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: so pale, she looks. 49 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: Like a ghost. 50 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: And she's got this long brown hair parted usually slightly 51 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: on the side, big glasses, and the hair hangs down 52 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: like curtains. 53 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: Over her face. 54 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: You can barely see the eyes, you know, the hair 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: is so close down. I can't see her face. That 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: makes me suspicious. But who would buy into my dad 57 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: is a Russian billionaire? 58 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: Give me your money. Oops, I forgot my credit card. 59 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: What happened? Let's just start at the beginning. 60 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, apparently a lot of people were just hungry 61 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 4: to buy into this story. If New York City is 62 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 4: a city of dreams, which we hear it called all 63 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 4: the time, Anna had enough for the entire island. She 64 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 4: had longed to be a member of the upper echelon 65 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 4: of Manhattan system. 66 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: I understand something, John Lenlay, Crime Online investigator reporter. Did 67 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: you just call her giant fraud? Ripping people off tens 68 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars, including one woman that took the 69 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: stand A working class person who go on an all 70 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: expense paid trip with her to Morocco and she gets 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: stiffed with a sixty five thousand dollars bill. 72 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: Wait are you calling that a dream? 73 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 4: Go it? 74 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: Wait? How dare you? 75 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 4: Persons? Dream is another person's night. 76 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: To feed yourself with cliches? 77 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: Don't the American dream my rear end? Jeff Cortiese, I 78 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: call it something a lot different than the American Dream? 79 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. 80 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 5: I mean this was a at least on the front end, 81 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 5: a well executed fraud. 82 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: Over the long term, it didn't. It didn't have the 83 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: legs to remain sustainable a long term. 84 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean she managed to pull it off, Wendy Patrick, 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: for you know what two years? I forgot how long 86 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: she managed to pull the wool over everybody's eyes, going 87 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: on trips to Morocco, staying at I think it's eleven 88 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: Howard some ritzy. I don't even know how you find 89 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: that hotel in New York. It's one of those places. 90 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: I don't think it's even marked. Only rich people go there. 91 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, What is what happened to John Limley? The 92 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: Voice of reason. He just called this the American dream. 93 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 6: What well, I think, John Limley, what he was talking 94 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 6: about is there are there are some misguided, vulnerable people 95 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 6: that really are subjected to social predators like Anna, and 96 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 6: you know, some people just are absolutely you guys mentioned 97 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 6: the glamor, the glitz. It's like they want to believe 98 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 6: and this fake it till you make it lifestyle. You know, 99 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 6: nobody even took the time to say, show me the money, 100 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 6: show me the fun, show me the corroboration behind your 101 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 6: wild stories, because caught up in the moment in an 102 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 6: Instagram savvy society, people want to be in the company 103 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 6: of people like Anna, and sadly, as a prosecutor, I 104 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 6: am just we are just absolutely just terrified of people 105 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 6: like this that are able to so easily infiltrate our social. 106 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: Networking to doctor Williams, you a lie of psychologist, author 107 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: of a dark and they did a quit her off, 108 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: which I was shocked about because this girl actually took 109 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: the stand Graham larceny for alleged stealing sixty two thousand 110 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: dollars from a friend that she said, come along, I'll 111 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: pay for everything on a trip to Morocco. Okay, I 112 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: think they actually punished the friend because when you go 113 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: on a luxurious trip to Morocco, you stay in a 114 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: five star hotel. They went to Spa treatments that were 115 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: costing like three hundred dollars a treatment. 116 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 2: Whatever that treatment may be. 117 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: Laying in mud, getting their nails whatever, three hundred I 118 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: think the Jerry punished that friend for going along with 119 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: the excess doctor July. 120 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, at worse, Nancy, what you're looking at 121 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 7: in cases like this, at worst is a psychopathological level 122 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 7: of narcissism. At best, what you're looking at as a 123 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 7: person who has so much greed and desire to please 124 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 7: herself that she doesn't care what the consequences are for 125 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 7: other people. You were asking earlier, and I just want 126 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 7: to address what you were asking earlier about why and 127 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 7: how and this sort of thing happened. We're all baffled 128 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 7: when we see this, but it's age old. It's a 129 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 7: tale as old as time. The Charlottan comes in and 130 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 7: fools everyone. So there's a part of people that are 131 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 7: looking at this who want to believe this because they 132 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 7: want to hang out with the person who has this 133 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 7: kind of social These types of social credentials and they 134 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 7: want to believe that she's an heiress so that they 135 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 7: can be with her. And people are blaming social media. 136 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 7: It's not the fault of social media. Social media is 137 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 7: just a facilitator to the neediness of other people who 138 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 7: want to believe and accept it. 139 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: By are you piling on everybody on the panel except Cortese, 140 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: Thank goodness, has keeps talking about the Instagram and society. 141 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: You know what, Instagram didn't have a dang thing to 142 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: do with this. It was all mistaing crime stories with 143 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Anna Delvey, the fake heiress has the gall 144 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: to wine quote. I was eating like cheese, it's and 145 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: diet coke from the vending machine. I don't eat meat, 146 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: but you probably don't want to eat meat that they're 147 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: serving in jail anyway. And then when I came out, 148 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: I needed to eat everything that I was missing. 149 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: I'm so embarrassed. 150 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: Okay, she should be embarrassed, but not because she ate Cheetos. 151 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: She should be embarrassed because she is a thief, a 152 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: con artist that ripped off everybody, from banks to corporations 153 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: to her so called best friends. 154 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: But let's take a walk down memory lane. 155 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: Her parents' hard working middle class people that she borrowed 156 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: a ton of money borrowed. 157 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: I eastole a. 158 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: Ton of money from them as well. Hey, but she 159 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: didn't just create a different identity her parents. I think 160 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: the dad drives a truck, and I know that's like 161 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: my dad, as you know, worked on the railroad. My 162 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: mom started as a bank teller. My grandfather drove an 163 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: ice truck and a school bus, anything to put the 164 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: food on the table. But she not only assumed different 165 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: an identity for herself, but she also created a whole 166 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: team of imaginary assistants, an assistant, an accountant, a manager Limley. 167 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: Is this true of her imaginary assistance well? 168 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 4: And some were not so imaginary. She even had the 169 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 4: concierge at a hotel essentially on her staff. At her 170 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 4: Beck and Call. She was able to convince people of 171 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: not only her wealth, but all of her aspirations, her dreams. 172 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 4: She really wanted to build this member's only arts club 173 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 4: on Park Avenue South and was even working to get 174 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 4: the financing for it. 175 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: And was not reading this, John Lanley. She lied to 176 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: a bank using phony records. 177 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 8: Anna went too far when she attempted to take out 178 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 8: a loan for twenty two million dollars to finance a 179 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 8: visual art center she called the Anna Deelvi Foundation. In all, 180 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 8: Anna reportedly scammed a total of two hundred and seventy 181 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 8: five thousand dollars, and his double life began to crumble 182 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 8: as hotels went after her unpaid debts and banks began 183 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 8: to investigate her alleged assets. 184 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: Wow, that's Jesse Palmer over at Daily Mail TV. 185 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: Wow. 186 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So, friends and acquaintances say Sorokans spent years playing 187 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: the part of an art obsessed German heiress. Sometimes she'd 188 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: be Russian, sometimes she'd be German. She had an accent 189 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: to go with it, rubbing shoulders with the fashion elite 190 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: at Paris Fashion Week, frequently spotted in London night spots. 191 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: Then those who knew her saw her at a party 192 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: in Berlin. She told everybody she had just flown in 193 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: on a private jet. Did she pull it off? Scamming 194 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: nearly three hundred thousand dollars. It was only when these 195 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: ritzy hotels in New York went after her to pay 196 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: her bills that the whole thing fell apart. But what 197 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: really amazed me, You know, I don't know if you 198 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: do this or not. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor or author 199 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: of red Flags on Amazon. Wendy, under the constitution, you 200 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: can't force a defendant into court in handcuffs or leg 201 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: irons or waist shackle. You can't force them to come 202 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: in in inmate jumpsuit, prison blues. 203 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: Or orange or stripes, whatever the case may be. But 204 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 2: I would always keep. 205 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: A jacket and pants and a couple of different sizes 206 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: in my office. So when a defendant would show up 207 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: on Monday morning trial calendar and say, oh, yeah, I 208 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: want to go to trial, but I don't have a suit, 209 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: I go, oh, I do have a suit for you. 210 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: But she was more concerned about what she wore to 211 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: court every day she had She actually had a personal 212 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: dresser dialist dressing her for court. Wendy, Yeah, you know. 213 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 6: Nancy, what you're describing really is something hopefully the judge 214 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 6: will take into considering it fentancing, because it's this entire 215 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 6: mentality of I don't want to say just not getting it. 216 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 6: That would be too kind. It's a complete underappreciation, or 217 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 6: I should say non appreciation for the fact that. 218 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: The rest of us work for a living. Her family 219 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: works for a living. 220 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 6: There is so much more to life than clothes and 221 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 6: appearances an image. 222 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: You know. 223 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: One of the things that distinguishes this case is the 224 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: fact that this. 225 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 6: Over emphasis on image, on money, on glamour sounds like 226 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 6: it absolutely overrode every ounce of judgment that she had 227 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 6: and to take that into the courtroom, as you mentioned, 228 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 6: Nancy is probably a little bit beyond the pale. 229 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 2: So listen to our friends and inside edition. This is 230 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: Diane mcinernie. 231 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 6: This one may look like she is dressed for a 232 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 6: fashion show it and her designer does, but the wannabe socialite 233 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 6: is actually on trial for swindling hundreds of thousands of 234 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 6: dollars from unsuspecting people. 235 00:12:58,520 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: She was so concerned. 236 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 6: About how she looked in court she actually hired a stylist. 237 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 9: Is she in a courtroom or at a red carpet event. 238 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 9: Anna Sorrikin is accused of posing as an heiress to 239 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 9: live an extravagant lifestyle, But it's what she's wearing to 240 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 9: trial that is making headlines. The twenty seven year old 241 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 9: defendant showed up wearing a form fitting black dress with 242 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 9: a plunging neckline and choker necklace. It's a look that 243 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 9: could backfire A Warren stylist Don Karen black. 244 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: Dress definitely a no. 245 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 5: No. 246 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 10: A hyper sexualize her. It makes her appear to be 247 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 10: like a seductress. The choker kind of shows to me 248 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 10: that she's trying to. 249 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: Be overtly sexy. 250 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 10: The more sexy she appears to be, it hurts her. 251 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 9: Sorikin is so obsessed with her clothes she refused to 252 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 9: enter the courtroom because the outfit she was given to 253 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 9: wear was not up to her standards. The angry judge 254 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 9: told her this is unacceptable and inappropriate. This is not 255 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 9: a fashion show, but Soorakin's lawyer, Todd Spodek says accounts 256 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 9: of his client delaying the trial because of fashion are 257 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 9: being blown out of It's not that she. 258 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 11: Didn't want to come out only because of the clothes. 259 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 11: She's going through a major criminal trial that's publicized every day, 260 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 11: because emotional and it's her life. 261 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: Don't cry too much for Anna Sorokan. She was living 262 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: a life that many people, not me, but many people 263 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: dream of. She made a show of proving she belonged 264 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: with the rich and famous. Decked out in signature Selene glasses, 265 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: Coucci sandals, high end boties from net to Porte at 266 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: least Walker she usually hold up in a four hundred 267 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: dollars a night room for months on in at Manhattan's 268 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: very very Luxurious eleven Howard Hotel. Concierge at the hotel 269 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: said they became friends when she would repeatedly routinely pass 270 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: out Crisp one hundred dollar tips to both of them 271 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: and Uber drivers. When I hear the words Crisp one 272 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: hundred dollars, how many hundred dollar bills do you have, Jackie? 273 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I have any. So Jeff Cartiese, former 274 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: FBI special agent, when I hear the word crisp one 275 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: hundred dollar bills, that means you just got them out 276 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: of an ATM or from the bank. So how does 277 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: she manage to defraud the bank, to get cash, to 278 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: tip concierge to fake for her. 279 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question, you know. I think it's 280 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 5: a numbers game. In many respects. There were multiple banks 281 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 5: engaged in her activity. She appears, based on the information, 282 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 5: limited her trips back to the same well those she 283 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 5: would go back to the same bake on occasion for. 284 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 2: Certain banking activity. 285 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 5: She did share the wealth amongst the banks within New York, 286 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 5: so as not to draw too much attention over an 287 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 5: extended period of time. 288 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: Well, what I understand that she did, and I'm going 289 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: to have to get clarity on this, is that she 290 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: would provide fake bank records to one bank and then 291 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: they she was trying to get a massive loan for 292 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: twenty two million, so she they wanted a down payment, 293 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: so she faked. 294 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: Records and got I don't know, fifty to one. 295 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: Hundred grand from one bank and use that money to 296 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: get a loan as a down payment on a loan, 297 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: a bigger loan at another bank, none of the banks 298 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: realizing what the others were doing. Another thing that really 299 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: fascinates me, doctor Williams July, and not in a good way. 300 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: It's like looking at a tarantula under a glass box. Okay, 301 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: that sort of fascination is the way she carried on 302 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: this big, huge, imaginary life. She would splash out on 303 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: shopping sprees at boutiques, very expensive personal training sessions and 304 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: beautician appointments, and she would always bring along a friend 305 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: and pay for them and they would be all impressed. 306 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: The elite, as they call themselves, would go to lavish 307 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: in large dinners for celebs are as CEOs all in 308 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: restaurants there in Soho And if you do look at 309 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: her online, she's always drinking a big glass of wine 310 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: at some beautiful location. How can an adult have that 311 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: type of an imaginary life? I mean, I know when 312 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: children have an imaginary friend, there's all sorts of psychological 313 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: reasons for that, maybe just security, but an adult. 314 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 7: Certainly people can have these types of imaginary lives and 315 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 7: they're going to recruit other people just because of the 316 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 7: chronological age does not make a person have the maturation 317 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 7: that they should have. And then that can be from 318 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 7: a lot of different things, but certainly, as much as 319 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 7: she can get other people to buy into this, then 320 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 7: that's because she's going to continue and she's going to 321 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 7: expand that imaginary life. And people can be very charming, 322 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 7: They can be very off putting. Excuse me, they can 323 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 7: be very charming, and they can be very persuasive, and 324 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 7: they can get other people to buy in. There are 325 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 7: people that can go into banks and they can fake 326 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 7: a story and they can get people to believe it. 327 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 7: It happens every day, and this is a person who 328 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 7: can do that. And the imaginary fast parts of this. 329 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 7: I mean, I haven't examined her, so I can't go 330 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 7: so far to say she's delusional or anything like that. 331 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 7: But clearly she has the ability maybe a pathological type 332 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 7: of chan Some people can do that, and also can 333 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 7: remember other people are buying into this because the banks 334 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 7: aren't changing credentials properly. 335 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 12: Under the name Anna Delvi, she arrived in New York 336 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 12: with a high priced wardrobe and was known for handing 337 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 12: out one hundred dollars cash tips, reportedly saying at different 338 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 12: points that her father was a diplomat, an oil baron, 339 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 12: or involved in the solar panel business, none of which 340 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 12: are the case. People who knew her said she often 341 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 12: asked others to use their credit cards to cover cab 342 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 12: and plane fares and then failing to repay them. 343 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: Our friend Michael Cissak at Time Magazine online, Yeah, there 344 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: were one story that came out at trial how she 345 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: hired a PR firm to organize her birthday party in Soho. 346 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: It emerged she never paid the bill. During her stay 347 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: at eleven Howard, she struck up a friend there. In 348 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: addition to the concierges to and as for the recommendations 349 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: for the very vetty vetty best food in Soho. We 350 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: also learned that on one occasion she invited friends to 351 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: dinner at Soho s and bro and the friend ended 352 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: up paying a whopper massive bill when Soroken's twelve credit 353 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: cards were all declined, but Sorokin paid her back triple 354 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: the amount the following day in cash. We also learned 355 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: that she would go to unique treatments like infrared saunas 356 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: in the East Village, go out to dinner after celebrity 357 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: training sessions with Casey Duke, which Soroken also paid for 358 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: John Limley. How did she get money from one bank 359 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: to get a loan from another bank? How did that work? 360 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 4: It's a very interesting line to follow. How she did this. 361 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 4: She would go to a bank and ask for a 362 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 4: certain line of credit based on a lot of times 363 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 4: just a promise of the fact that she had millions 364 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 4: overseas that she could repay the loan, and she would 365 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 4: go from one bank with that money to another bank 366 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 4: and get an even larger In fact, here's an example, 367 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 4: she talked to an exam to an executive with City 368 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 4: National Bank into giving her a line of credit on 369 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 4: her account for one hundred thousand dollars, promising to repay 370 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 4: it with a wire transfer from a European account. She 371 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 4: used that money in a failed attempt to secure a 372 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 4: twenty five million dollar loan from Fortress Investment Group, and 373 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 4: the one of the managing directors at Fortress has said 374 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 4: that she ran into problems providing details about the origin 375 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 4: of her wealth. Someone actually thought to ask about that. 376 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: You know, her lines became more and more spectacular. Wendy Patchett, 377 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: California prosecutor. In fact, she even managed to charter a 378 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: private plane on one occasion with absolutely zero money. 379 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: Wendy, how do you do that? 380 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 381 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 6: The level of sophistication Nancy, as John was explaining and 382 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 6: as we know now looking back, was absolutely stunning. It 383 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 6: was almost as if she was daring authorities to catch 384 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 6: her in this escalating scheme of sophistication. And you know, 385 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 6: the answer to how you do that is the same 386 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 6: way we've commit we see people. 387 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: Committing other crimes. 388 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 6: Is sometimes people are so trusting because image matters. You know, 389 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 6: this is something I talk about in my book. We 390 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 6: tend to attribute all these positive qualities to somebody who 391 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 6: comes across as believable, whether they're pretty, or we like 392 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 6: what they say, or we're enamored with their axe and 393 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 6: or their clothes. All the types of things that Anna 394 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 6: used to get ahead can fool other people into letting 395 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 6: them acquire the kind of wealth and as you point out, 396 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 6: tangible benefits that this young lady did. 397 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: Don Lemley tell me about the lux treatment she got 398 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: in Morocco where she ended up stiffing her friend with 399 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: the bail. 400 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 4: Well, when they went to Marrakesh, she went with a 401 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 4: friend and she had offered to pay for everything. Now 402 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 4: her friend actually offered to help pay, but she said, no, no, no, 403 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 4: you work hard for your money, harder for your money 404 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 4: than I do. This is my treat, and they would 405 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 4: go out for a round of drinks and oops, she 406 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 4: forgot her credit cards. So she would ask, you know, 407 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 4: very quietly, if the could you know, just cover this 408 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 4: one check. And that would happen over and over and 409 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 4: over again, and this friend in the end ended up 410 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 4: covering the sixty two thousand dollars cost of the flights, dining, shopping, 411 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 4: and the stay at a hotel where they had a 412 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: private villa with a courtyard, a pool and a butler. 413 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 4: All the extravagance that you might say was fit for, 414 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: say a Kardashian. 415 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: A sixty two thousand dollars vacation that is more. 416 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: Than most people make an entire year. While in Marrakesh, 417 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: Morocco Soroken aka delv took part in all the activities 418 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: the hotel had to offer. 419 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 2: For instance, they. 420 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: Took private tennis lessons. They ate breakfast pool side, a 421 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: butler would deliver them fresh watermelons and bottles of rose. 422 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: They run, owned the gardens, relaxed, swam in the villa's private. 423 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: Pool, took a tour of the. 424 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: Wine cellar, eight dinner with live Moroccan music, before capping 425 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: off their knives with cocktails at the Churchill Bar. I mean, 426 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: this is a trip that most people only dream of. 427 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: And now here's miss thing, having a nearly seventy thousand 428 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: dollars vacation built on crime. 429 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Nancy, the best things in life are free, 430 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 6: and everybody knows that. So when you look at a 431 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 6: story like this, part of I think the offense that 432 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 6: everyone is taking is to use crime and criminal activity 433 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 6: to build a fake world where people pay the kind 434 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 6: of money that most of us would never do even 435 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 6: if we had it, and you talk about the value 436 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 6: of hard work. The way we were all raised, it 437 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 6: sounds like those she surrounded herself were really taken with 438 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 6: the fact that someone they believe as rich and famous 439 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 6: as she was would be interested in them. 440 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: That is a basic human need. 441 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 6: Ironically, that was being satisfied through criming through, as you 442 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 6: pointed out earlier, having this imaginary friend that's larger than life. 443 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 444 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: Anna Delviy, the fraudster, the con artist, the ripoff star, 445 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: now whining that she's embarrassed not because she stole from 446 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: her so called best friends, but because she gained weight 447 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: behind bars. She says she tried ozimpic, but quote, it 448 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: just made me depressed. It made me feel like it 449 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: sucked the life out of me. That's probably how your 450 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: friends felt after you sucked all the money out of. 451 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: Their bank accounts. 452 00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: Delvy aka Anna Sorkin listed a long series of beauty 453 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: treatment she's been having lately, from cupping to laser therapy 454 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: to vampire facials. Uh where's she getting all that money? 455 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: Did she make that much on Dancing with the Stars? 456 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: All I know is that money should be used to 457 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: pay back all of her victims. Remember her friends banks 458 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: hotels that she ripped off. You know, I don't know 459 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: about you, Jeff Cortize, FBI special agent, but I loved 460 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: it when I would of course, the prosecutor gets in 461 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: front of an entire jury panel and reads the indictment 462 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: before you begin jury selection, so everybody knows. 463 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: Who's charged with what and what all the counts are. 464 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: And I would love it to say state versus Jeff 465 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: Cortize aka Charlie Tuna aka the Hammer aka blah. 466 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: Blah blah, and so forth and so on. 467 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: I would love reading out ten or twelve aliases and 468 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: by the time you've done reading that that, Jerry just 469 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: looks at the person and goes, You're so you're. 470 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 2: You're guilty, You're guilty. Why are you? Why do you 471 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: have twelve aliases? 472 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: And this girl, I'm telling you, not only had aliases, 473 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: but she had fake assistance. She lied about her mom 474 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: and dad who they really are. The reality is that 475 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: her father was a truck driver and he went on 476 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: to work at or start a heating and air conditioned business. 477 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: The friends in school called her Barbie and her favorite movie. 478 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: Was Mean Girls. And I don't think that's any of 479 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: that is good. 480 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: Okay, that means nothing good, Jeff Cartize, No, I agree. 481 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 482 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 5: You hit it on the head. You know, the minute 483 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 5: individuals start layering themselves with aliases and aka's, you know, 484 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 5: they're putting up walls and barriers that that any jury 485 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 5: is going to be able to see through. You know, 486 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 5: she really executed a well thought out plan against the banks, 487 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 5: using multiple techniques and methods to siphon money from them. 488 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: You know, from from. 489 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 5: Top to bottom. She exploited what people want to see 490 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 5: and exploited the type of lifestyle that people want to 491 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 5: have to the extent that you know, if I was 492 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 5: going to run undercover, I would I would have done 493 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 5: many of the techniques that she did in order to 494 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 5: manipulate my audience. 495 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: Well, another aspect to this, John Lemley, is I remember 496 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: one day when John David came running home in it. 497 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: So and So's mom is so cool. She works for 498 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: Chick fil A and she gets free T shirts and 499 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: she gets this, and she gets that. I think the 500 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,719 Speaker 1: lady who's very lovely was in marketing or PR and 501 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: would bring home, you know, like a T shirt or 502 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: a moocau or what whatever they had, and I thought 503 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: briefly of creating a different persona to try to impress 504 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: John Davis's friends, who were then four years old. Okay, 505 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: but I just decided no, I'm just going to stick 506 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: with the truth, you know, and let the chips. 507 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: Fall where they may. But John Lumley, I mean. 508 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: That would hurt me If I found out the twins 509 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: were lying about. 510 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: Their mom and dad, that what we are. 511 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: Isn't good enough to fit in to their self image 512 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: they're projecting, that would really hurt my feelers. 513 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 4: And that's exactly the way her parents felt about the 514 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 4: whole thing. They actually did help fund her through college 515 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 4: and as she was getting out on her own, but 516 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 4: there was never any sort of trust fund. She moved 517 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 4: to Germany in two thousand and seven, and after she 518 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 4: dropped out of college, she interned in public relations before 519 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 4: were then moving to Paris and became an intern at 520 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 4: Purple Magazine. Once she arrived in New York City, she 521 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 4: just somehow managed to be in all the sort of 522 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 4: right places. And she was this German heiress, according to her, 523 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 4: with a father that you would think. 524 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: With me, Wait a minute, I thought she was supposed 525 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: to be a Russian heiress. 526 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 4: Well, no, she was from Russia, but she told people 527 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 4: she was a German heiress. What's really funny, though, is 528 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 4: that her German, according to a lot of people, was terrible. 529 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: M I want you to take a listen to what 530 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: the defense claims in closing arguments. 531 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 13: She had to fake it until she could make it. 532 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 13: Those words from the defendant's own attorney, who claimed she 533 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 13: never intended to commit a crime, but prosecutors call her 534 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 13: a fraud and a liar who would do almost anything 535 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 13: to prolong her life of luxury. This morning, the fate 536 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 13: of an alleged scam artist is now in the hands 537 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 13: of a jury, both sides mapping up arguments for a 538 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 13: case that's drawn international outrage. The style savvy defendant even 539 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 13: turning heads in court wearing an animal print dress. She 540 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 13: called herself Anna Delviy, a fashionable globetrotter who prosecutors say 541 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 13: was pretending to be a high flying German heiress living 542 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 13: a fairytale life of glitz and glam among Manhattan's elite. 543 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: That is an order of law and that beyond, prosecutors say. 544 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 13: The twenty eight year old, whose real name is Anna Sorrikan, 545 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 13: stole two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars from banks, hotels, 546 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 13: and friends, all part of an elaborate scheme to keep 547 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 13: up her illusion of grandeur. Prosecutors also alleged Sorrikin tried 548 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 13: securing a twenty two million dollar loan to operate a 549 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 13: private club, claims her lawyer denies. 550 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 11: I do not believe she had the intent to ever 551 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 11: commit a crime. Whether she owes people money, that's a 552 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 11: fact of life. That's that's the reality of doing business. 553 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: In New York. 554 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 13: Now, facing charges of grand larceny and theft, she could 555 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 13: spend up to fifteen years in prison if convicted. An 556 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 13: official say, even if acquitted, she will be deported to Germany. 557 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 13: Sorkin's attorney says she got in over her head but 558 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 13: was just buying time until she could pay everyone back. 559 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: You're hearing our buddy wit Johnson at GMA, at ABC 560 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: pay everybody back. I saw no signs of paying everybody 561 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: back and calling this doing business. 562 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: That's certainly putting perfume on the pig. Now you know 563 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: there's a problem. 564 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor and author of Red Flags. When 565 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: the defense to theft and fraud is fake, it till 566 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: you make it okay, I would not say that that's 567 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: a valid defense and a fraud case, you're admitting you're 568 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: faking it. 569 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 2: It's probably not a good theme for the defense one. 570 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure they're rethinking right about now. You don't want to. 571 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,239 Speaker 6: That's kind of playing right into the prosecutor's case what 572 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 6: they probably were trying to do. Interestingly in trial, and Nancy, 573 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 6: you and I have both seen this is really kind 574 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 6: of painting this vulnerability picture of the defendant to try 575 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 6: to make somebody feel sorry for her that she was 576 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 6: caught up in this false lifestyle, felt she had to 577 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 6: pretend she was somebody she wasn't. 578 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: Who can't relate to that. 579 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 6: There's a little bit of Anna and all of us, 580 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 6: you know some of the themes. 581 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: We' well, wait, I want to isolate what you just said. 582 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: The defense argued at trial as if Anna Sorokan aka 583 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: Anna Delphy was some type of a renegade and a rebel, 584 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: someone who was, you know, making her own path in 585 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: the world creatively. B As, don't tell me there's a 586 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: little bit of Anna Sorocan in me, because that was 587 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,479 Speaker 1: their defense. There's a little bit of Anna and all 588 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: of us. Oh uh uh uh no, because she is 589 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: a fraud, a thief, and she ripped people off and 590 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: they're never going to get repaid. 591 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: Wendy, Right, That's what I'm saying that. 592 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 6: Well, that's bably why she was convicted, because these defenses 593 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 6: are just not realistic to jurors, to hardworking jurors, and 594 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 6: just cannot relate to the fact that we are anything 595 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 6: like this picture of Anna. Nonetheless, we have seen this 596 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 6: defense time and again and thankfully it is not successful. 597 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 2: Take a listen to this. 598 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 13: The courtroom drama played out late into the evening. At 599 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 13: one point the jury appeared deadlock, the defense asking for 600 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 13: a mistrial, but then the verdict, jurors agreeing with the 601 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 13: prosecution that anahsauricin built her fairytale life on a foundation 602 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 13: of theft and lives. Overnight, a New York City jury 603 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 13: finding socialite anasauricin a so called SOHO grifter guilty on 604 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 13: eight counts, including grand larceny, attempted grand larceny, and theft 605 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 13: of services. Prosecutors arguing the twenty eight year old stole 606 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 13: a quarter of a million dollars from banks, hotels and 607 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 13: friends to fund a lavish lifestyle to jurors. 608 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 11: Obviously believed our point of view and followed our logic 609 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 11: and acquitted her of the top charges. I'm sad and 610 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 11: that she. 611 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 12: Was convicted of some of the other charges. 612 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 13: Prosecutors say the Russian born Sorkin, who called herself Anna Delvi, 613 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 13: was pretending to be a high flying German heiress living 614 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 13: a life of glamour among Manhattan's elite authority. To say, 615 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,479 Speaker 13: she even forged financial documents hoping to get a twenty 616 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 13: two million dollar loan to open a private club in 617 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 13: the Big Apple. 618 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 2: A word of legal advice, I'm solicited. I'll give it 619 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 2: to you for free. Delvi b Quiet silence is golden. 620 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: Keep all those special feelings to yourself and they'll be 621 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: even more special. We wait as just as unfolds, I 622 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: predict we have not heard the last from Anna Delby 623 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: aka Anna Suckti