1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,439 Speaker 1: Patrick. I've been with Greg in a couple of moments 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: on presidential campaigns. One of them is one of the 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: big four deadly quotes, right, John McCain saying, you know, 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: the fundamentals of the economy are strong as Lehman Brothers 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: collapsing in two thousand and eight. Right. A memorable moment, 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: A memorable moment in that in that campaign when you 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: look at Kamala Harris saying on the view not a thing. 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: When the president's approval level is what it is and 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: you have a right track number of twenty eight percent, 10 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: why is it not a thing? Going to end up 11 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: on the list of what I call the killer asteroid quotes. 12 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: I I voted for it before I've voted against it. 13 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: The forty seven percent quote by Romney, the one I 14 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: just mentioned by McCain that specifically or at odds with 15 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: the electricity of the electorate. In a vital moment, when 16 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: Greg talks about the election being about change and it 17 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: being about change from both the Trump and the Biden years, 18 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: I going to be ask you to react to something specifically. 19 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: I think it's broader than that, right, I think the 20 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: change is about the Bush ears. I think it's less 21 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: so about the Obama years, right, I think you can 22 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: you can sculpt out the eight years of Obama. I 23 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: think the country would take them back in a and 24 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: a substantial number. But the Bush ears the war in Iraq, 25 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: the warriors, Biden, Trump, the ten years of Trump. I 26 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: think that's what she has to capture in order to 27 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: do it. But I'm curious your reaction all that. 28 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think there's a lot of truth 29 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 2: to that. I certainly don't envy Harris's position where she's 30 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: a member of this administration. She obviously, you know, for 31 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: beyond campaign reasons, but as a leader in the United 32 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: States government, does not want to be undermining confidence in 33 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: the president for whom she serves. And yet we do. 34 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: We all know that the excitement around Harris was the 35 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: fact that she represented change from Biden as much as Trump. 36 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: She literally replaced Biden, and at that moment people became 37 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: excited about voting for her. So I think it's a 38 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: tricky position to be in. I do think that, you know, 39 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: I think in general, this is obviously not my position 40 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: as someone who you know, with part of doing communication 41 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: strategy for the Obama White House, part of his pulling 42 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: his White House polling team. I think that that was 43 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 2: a moment and since Obama, where the Democratic Party did 44 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: start to become a little bit more associated with elites. 45 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: And I do think that that is one piece where 46 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: undecided voters and voters who've been trending away from the 47 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: Democratic Party. There was some concern about that coming out 48 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: of the Obama year. So I do think that there 49 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: is a bigger desire for a more fundamental change in 50 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: how our politics and elections work. And I think that 51 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: that has been Trump's appeal in spite of what everyone 52 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 2: knows about him and in spite of their concern that 53 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: this might not be someone who has the temperament to 54 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: lead the country. But beyond that, I agree, I think 55 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: that there is a significant change in terms of a 56 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: desire for America's involvement in other countries as opposed to 57 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: America really focusing on itself and repair problems that we 58 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: have at home. And again, I think Trump has done 59 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: a very good job at conveying that. That has been 60 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: again part of his appeal to working class voters, including 61 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: working class voters of color that we have seen trend 62 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: away from Democrats. I think Democrats have to get better 63 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: at reaching those voters and demonstrating that we're really committed to, 64 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: you know, a vision of the country that's fairer to 65 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: them and is rooted in the concerns that they have 66 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: in their daily lives. 67 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: And Steve, I don't want to, you know, dismiss like 68 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: this the ease of you know, kind of change from 69 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: Biden and Trump for Harris, because I know you and 70 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 3: I had many conversations about the need for McCain to 71 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 3: distance himself from George W. Bush, and every time the 72 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: White House got an inkling that that's what we're going 73 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: to do, the amountment tense and institutional pressure coming back 74 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: at us that we could never do to the president 75 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: kind of overwhelms you. And even if it's the right 76 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: strategic things to do, it's very difficult. 77 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: So I want to come back to that too, because 78 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: I think it's elemental to towards what she asked to 79 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: do to be able to win. And if she doesn't 80 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: meet the test, she's not she's not going to win. 81 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: But but but come back, Greg, I cut you off 82 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: on your first element, and I want you to talk 83 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: about the second element. Before we got into the conversation 84 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: about you know, why it is that if people don't 85 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: like the chaos, why they would pick a chaos agent 86 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: in my view, But go ahead. 87 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: Well, I think it kind of factors more into the 88 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: perception that Trump is stronger than she is as a leader, 89 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: and so I think that is what really matters. But 90 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: I think that those you know, the second tier of 91 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: how you can define change. What works for Trump is 92 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 3: that the change on the on the on the immigration 93 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: and economic side of the equation. So if he is 94 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: successful of communicating that to undecided abouters, he's gonna win. 95 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: Her change is exactly what you just talked about, which 96 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: is can we get past the insanity of Donald Trump? 97 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: And what I thought was the biggest strategic error for 98 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: her in this whole campaign, and it's not dissimilar, you know, 99 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 3: going back to Romney and twelve. She wins the debate, right, 100 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 3: and she wins the debate by going after Trump on 101 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 3: his insanity, and instead of you know, kind of messaging 102 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 3: on that track from then on, she goes and tries 103 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: to talk about how great she is on the economy, 104 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 3: which of course goes right back and plays into Donald 105 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 3: Trump's hand. And so that was a massive strategic error 106 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: for them. They should have been ready coming out of 107 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 3: the out of the out of the debate to run 108 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: that same message track. And that's the same thing that 109 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 3: happened at Rodney Rowney wins the last debate against Trump, 110 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 3: I mean against Obama, and he's doing really well, but 111 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: his campaign just goes into some inane messaging that had 112 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: no ability to kind of capture the lightning and the bottom. 113 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 1: Patrick, what is your view on that? And looking back 114 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: now from October fourteenth, the Walls debate is October first, 115 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: I can lay out a chart I think that's contiguously 116 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: and continuously up into the right from the moment that 117 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: she gets into the race really through the Wall's debate. 118 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: That and it's always inevitable, right, there's always going to 119 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: be a turn of possession in a presidential campaign. It's 120 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: inevitable that there will be tough days. But if you 121 00:07:54,400 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: were to look at the Harris campaign in its totality, 122 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: that I would view it is that it really had 123 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: a continuity until the Walls debate and the momentum of 124 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: the campaign is really really interrupted, you know at the 125 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: back end of that debate. Do you do you think 126 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: that's a fair point. 127 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: I think that that yes, I think that that is 128 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: a fair point, and the timing is right. I think 129 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: the other thing that it's maybe less something that has 130 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: happened and more something that fewer dramatic Trump blunders. You know. 131 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: Certainly it's not to say he hasn't said anything that, 132 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: you know, the three of us might consider to be 133 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: off the rails or but we haven't had a moment 134 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: like eating the pets. We haven't had a moment where 135 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: Trump just made clear in a way that was widely 136 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: consumed organically by people that this guy just is too 137 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: out of control. He's focused on Hannibal Lecter, He's focused 138 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: on all these things. I think her ability to I 139 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: think the message about Trump being too erratic to lead 140 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: has switched to being something that is a case Democrats 141 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: have had to make explicitly, more so than something that 142 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: people are seeing in TV news and in their media 143 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: consumption naturally and in the way that had been happening, 144 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 2: you know, I think for months prior, and that has 145 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: made things harder for us. I think a lot of 146 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: the levers Democrats have been pulling, it can feel like 147 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: we've really hammered that point home and there's not much 148 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: left to say so I think Project twenty twenty five 149 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: is another example of this. It's we just haven't been 150 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: able to keep up the momentum in the same way 151 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: on those fronts. I don't think that that means we 152 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: can't win it back. And I agree with Greg that 153 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: what she needs to do going forward and for the 154 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: rest of the campaign is really remind folks of the 155 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: type of leader Trump is, that he's too out of control, 156 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: that he's too extreme, and connect that to an impact 157 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: on people's daily lives, and remind people that, you know, 158 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: when he was president, they didn't feel great. You know. 159 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: One of the things that we've seen really consistently and 160 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: the cook pulling, is that while Trump has had an 161 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: advantage on issues like foreign policy and war, on issues 162 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: like crime and violence and on immigration, Harris has consistently 163 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: held the lead on making you feel safer. Now, it's 164 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: a very narrow lead, to be clear, it's not a 165 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: big one whatsoever. But she has that lead in spite 166 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: of the fact that she's behind on most policy fronts 167 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: that people connect to safety, and the reason for that, 168 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 2: I think is very clear, which is that folks remember 169 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: that they didn't feel safe when Trump was president because 170 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: you were always aware that at any point someone might 171 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: set him off. He might go off the rails. Maybe 172 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: he's going to tweet something and start a nuclear war. 173 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: So even if people do a asociate him with strength 174 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: and the theoretical ability to you know, stop tumulton in 175 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: the world, they they remember, this guy's a little too crazy, 176 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: this guy's a little too dangerous, and that needs to 177 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: be the focus of her campaign in the final weeks. 178 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 3: So Steve, let me pick up on something Patrick's talking about, 179 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: because again in the Cook political report stuff that we did, 180 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 3: one of the best hits that she could use against 181 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 3: him is this idea that he is going to have 182 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 3: a day of reckoning for all this political enemies, right, 183 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: and there's been a lot of that here in the 184 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: last twenty four hours. And you know James Carvell, who 185 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: of course has you know, the best political antenna I 186 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: out there. He comes out and says, I could be 187 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 3: going to jail, that could be coming for me, you know, 188 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: all those types of things. And I think that, you know, 189 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 3: if her campaign was fleet to foot, they would be 190 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: all over this right now because of all the kind 191 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: of not c rally type you know, discussion there's been 192 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 3: around what Trump is saying, doing, et cetera. But they 193 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 3: don't seem to be you know that you know adept 194 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: and you know, just as a political practitioner, I think 195 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 3: the most impressive part about the Trump campaign this this 196 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: cycle is when when she became the nominee, he melted down, 197 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: He went out of control. He said things that were 198 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 3: you know, insane. He brought brings Corey Lewandowski into the campaign, 199 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 3: and you know, Chris las Savida, uh and miss Wilds. 200 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: You know, they sit there and they say, Okay, we're 201 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: going to control what we can control in the campaign. 202 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: And they get the message going on her on the 203 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: economy and being too liberal, same thing on immigration, and 204 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 3: they start that slow grind, the kind of Russian army 205 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: grind on the center of the electorate to kind of 206 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: make the race move in his direction. So they understood 207 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: that their cannas out of control, and they boxed him 208 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: in and allowed, you know, and try to take him 209 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: out of the play and really push the message from 210 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 3: a from a TV advertising perspective. 211 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: I'm struck, Patrick by something that you said that led 212 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: into what Greg just talked about. So a complete agreement, right. 213 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: The Hannibal Lecter the Haitians are eating pets. There are 214 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: these wild statements that are just impossible to look away from, 215 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: just full on freak show level of rhetoric. You can 216 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: evaluate it in a lot of different ways. I suppose, 217 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: you know, first time anyone ever heard him say it, 218 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: you know, the reaction I suppose that led the Nations 219 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: was Kamala Harris's on the debate stage laugh. But then 220 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: you appreciate how exquisitely vicious and racist it is. And 221 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: you know, the reality is that it could have come 222 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: out of the mouth of a gobels or a striker. 223 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,359 Speaker 1: And so here we are three weeks before our presidential 224 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: election in the United States of America and the Republican 225 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: nominee is talking about the enemy with it retribution, locking 226 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: up political opponents. He's being specific, he's being direct, he's 227 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: talking about deploying the army to snuff out dissent. And 228 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: it just seems to me in a two party system, 229 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: if you're the party opposed to this, which the Harris 230 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: Party is, and you look at on the day what 231 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: Trump talked about, So what do he say today and 232 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: how would we rank it? And the High Court right 233 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: that he threw out today that we have to meet, 234 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: we have to deal with that, we have to say 235 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: something about It would seem to me that there would 236 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: be an urgent necessity on say the part of let's 237 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: say President Clinton, right, if he was running against someone 238 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: who did this, a President Obama, if he was running 239 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: against someone who did this, a President Eisenhower or President Kennedy, 240 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: if they were running against someone who said those things, 241 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: there would be an urgency, a duty to warn, to 242 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: speak to the country with the utmost seriousness about what's 243 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: going on. And yet it's seems when I open the page, 244 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: I see this nice looking picture of the vice presidential 245 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: ticket with spouses all dressed in blue, with Tim Walls 246 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: his foot up in the air, right, inexplicably right, like 247 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: a happy, joyful picture campaigning on joy when the Republican 248 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: nominee is campaigning on locking up political opponents to snuffing 249 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: out the scent seems incongruent to me in the in 250 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: the moment, and it seems to be having the effect of 251 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: decreasing intensity on the Democratic side at the moment when 252 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: the danger is clearest, the rhetoric is the most obvious. 253 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: And still we see this kind of opaqueness with dealing 254 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: with it. That I find that I find right now, 255 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: if you're looking at this through a polling prism, is 256 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: very confusing to me. 257 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 2: Well, look, I yes, I certainly think that Trump has 258 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: demonstrated that. I mean, he continues to say unacceptable things. 259 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: And I think Harris's strongest points, or some of her 260 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: strongest points in this campaign have been when she has 261 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: been very clear in including during the debate. I also 262 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 2: think this was the case during her DNC acceptance speech, 263 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: where she was very clear that this man says unacceptable 264 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 2: things and and this is not who we are. I 265 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: think that, you know, her strength in this campaign lies 266 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: in her ability to drive that contrast, and we certainly 267 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: do see that panning out for her in our polling. Uh, 268 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: you know, we do have her, We did have her leading, 269 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: slightly driving her lead, you know, despite Trump being more 270 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: trusted on a number of issues that are certainly important, 271 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: like immigration and the economy. Me overall, voters were more 272 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: likely to trust Harris to share their values. Voters were 273 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: more likely to trust Harris to make them feel proud 274 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 2: to be Americans. They were more likely to trust her 275 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: and proud of to be Americans and proud of their country, 276 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: They were more likely to see her as someone who 277 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 2: cares about people like them and and will fight for 278 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: for their family specifically. So I absolutely agree that there 279 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: have been some there there remain opportunities that that Harris 280 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 2: needs to seize to continue to drive that contrast. I 281 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 2: think her strength in this campaign so far has come 282 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 2: from her ability to do that very in very compelling 283 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: and effective ways and different moments in this campaign. And 284 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: I think the question that remains is can she continue 285 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 2: to hammer home that that contrast. 286 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys both a question, but 287 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to I wanted to go with Patrick first. 288 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: I want to role play here. I want to I 289 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: want to tell you exactly what I would say to 290 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: the vice president right now if I'm on the campaign 291 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: and we're in the room right where the six seven 292 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: eight people who are going to decide the strategic direction 293 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: of the of the campaign, and I would and and 294 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: and what I would say is, here's what the polling says. 295 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: This is what the polling says. The polling says. For 296 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: whatever reason, tragically, the American people look at him and 297 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: her and evaluate him as stronger than her. They evaluate 298 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: her as weaker than him. And there is no election 299 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: that has ever been ever in the history of America 300 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: where the person perceived as the weaker candidate beat the 301 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: stronger candidates. Never happened. There's no example that anyone can get. 302 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: So you must be perceived as the stronger candidate. And 303 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: there's just a reality here. Here's the reality. The reality 304 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: is is Joe Biden is not FDR. He's an unpopular president. 305 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: In fact, he's almost as unpopular as George W. Bush 306 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: was in the two thousand and eight election, and the 307 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: country overwhelmingly thinks it's on the wrong track. And the 308 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: Democratic Party has been in an argument with the American 309 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: voter for much of the last two years, telling them 310 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: this is the choice. You get what you get, it's 311 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: Biden or Trump, belligerently. So until the moment all of 312 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: it falls apart Harris gets in the race. There's a 313 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: lot of people who say, well, this is shocking how 314 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: she came up to the right, up into the right 315 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: on the arc. But it's explained exactly by the polling, 316 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: because there was such intensity with people not wanting the choice, 317 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: and so when that choice went away, the enthusiasm bounds 318 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: to her. But what people want to know is what 319 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: she will do differently from Biden. The test at hands 320 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: for her is is she able in the interest of 321 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: the American public to perhaps hurt Joe Biden's ego by 322 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,719 Speaker 1: telling the American people what the polling is demanding that 323 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: she do. Separate herself. So, I think that if you're 324 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: not strong enough to over the last four years, be 325 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: able to come up with a specific example Afghanistan, the 326 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: border ending in flow, whatever it may be, nothing, there's 327 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: not a thing that you would do differently. Nothing is 328 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: an unacceptable answer because the American people think it's fear based. 329 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: Fear based, you're afraid to say something obvious for some 330 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: hidden reason, and unlessly until you cross that bridge, you're 331 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: gonna fall short on election day because you are underperforming 332 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: where Biden was and he won by forty four thousand 333 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: votes in three states, so you're on track to lose. 334 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: And you guys sitting there as the pollster would say, 335 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: what whoa, whoa, whoa whoa whoa? He full of shit? 336 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: We got to kick him out to He's right to 337 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: somewhere in between. 338 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's somewhere in between. I think, certainly, 339 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 2: as we've pointed out her strength comes from being seen 340 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 2: as as an opportunity to turn the page not only 341 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: on Trump, but but on Trump and Biden and to 342 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: represent generational change. I think she has done a good 343 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 2: job using language like representing generational change to drive to 344 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 2: implicitly say I'm a change from from Biden without staking 345 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: out a position directly undermining the administration of which she 346 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: is a member. Uh So, at the same time, I think, 347 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: uh one thing that that is clear so far when 348 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: I look at our polling and look at other public 349 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: pollsters polling results on who's trusted on issues versus who's 350 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 2: trusted on different types of leadership qualities and temperament to 351 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 2: be president and ability to lead this country. You know, 352 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 2: Trump tends to have the upper hand on most issues 353 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: that are top tier issues for a voter. There's certainly 354 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 2: exceptions to that, abortion being the most obvious one, although 355 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: in basically any every poll that's come out in this election, 356 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: abortion is not the number one issue for voters and 357 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 2: certainly for undecided voters. So I think that there is 358 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 2: some risk getting stuck in a conversation about which policy 359 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 2: she would have done differently and why, and which approach 360 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: she would have taken on which issue. I do think though, 361 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 2: she needs to be able to demonstrate that she would 362 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: understand Americans' concerns in a different way, that she ultimately 363 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: has a different vision for the future. Maybe not a 364 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: different vision for the past four years, but ultimately does 365 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: because she's younger, because she you know, came up in 366 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 2: a different era, because she would be a new type 367 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: of leader, she has a different vision for the future. 368 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: I think she's going to be better off if voters 369 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 2: are focused on what the difference between her and Trump 370 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 2: will be over the next four years, rather than what 371 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: the difference is between her and Biden might have been 372 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: over the past war. 373 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 3: So, Steve, I mean, I think the first thing I 374 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 3: would say in the room is speed kills. And you know, 375 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 3: I think that the campaign is trying to do the 376 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: generational piece right now with the health records, right you know, 377 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: it's clear that Donald Trump is making less and less 378 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 3: sense on the stump as he's going through this process. 379 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: Do you think anyone cares about the health records? 380 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: I don't think it necessary about the health records per se, 381 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: but I think that the crowbar is the right one 382 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: to employ. But what I would also say to you 383 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 3: is you lay out a plan, and then you're presented 384 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: with an opportunity, right, which is this whole idea that 385 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: we're going to round people up in the enemy to 386 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 3: throw within. So what does the poling say. The pollie 387 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 3: says two things. Let's talk about two groups of voters 388 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 3: versus undecided voters. They are overwhelmingly independent. They think that 389 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: Biden's done a terrible job on the economy. They're going 390 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: to vote with Trump if it's a referendum on the 391 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 3: Biden economy. At the same time, they think Trump is 392 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 3: completely out of control, and they're going to vote with 393 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: Harris if it's a referendum on his kind of capacity 394 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: to be a decent human being. Let's talk about a 395 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 3: second group of people. And I find this group the 396 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 3: most fascinating. And it's a small number, but like you're saying, 397 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 3: in a close race, all these small numbers matter, And 398 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 3: that's the one and a half percent who right now 399 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 3: are saying they're going to vote for a third party candidate. 400 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 3: And they are in fact economic voters who are voting 401 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 3: for the third party candidate. And that's disproportionately coming out 402 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 3: of Trump's high I think fifty seven percent of the 403 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 3: folks who are voting for a third party candidate vote 404 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: for Trump in twenty twenty. And it's a working class, 405 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 3: blue collar male and male is really important because of 406 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 3: the gender gap that's growing. They I agree with Trump 407 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 3: on immigration, on the economy, but they've made a decision 408 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: that they cannot cannot support him because of how out 409 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: of control he is. And so I would say that 410 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 3: to the campaign team, Hey, we have these two groups 411 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 3: that are both behaving this the way we need them 412 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 3: to behave and we have this opportunity about the enemy 413 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 3: from within. We need that right now. But of course, 414 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 3: she's just had ten days of really bad press because 415 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 3: they also thought that she needed to do a lot 416 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 3: of interviews and that backfired on So they're going to 417 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 3: sit there and say, we can't put her back out 418 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: right now, and they need to because they got to 419 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: change the race. 420 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: Okay, Patrick, do you have something to say to that? 421 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: And then I want to talk about those interviews for 422 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: a second, since Greg brought them up. 423 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 2: No, I completely agree with Greg. She needs to get 424 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: the focus back on Trump's leadership style, and that again 425 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: is one reason why I don't think she wants to 426 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 2: get stuck debating where she's different from from Biden. She 427 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 2: wants to keep this rarely focused on where she's different 428 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: from Trump, while acknowledging that she would represent change from 429 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: Biden and that she would have a different approach over 430 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: the next four years. But this needs to be about 431 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 2: this man is too out of control to deliver on 432 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: any of the things that he might be promising to do. 433 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: You know, just in terms of the polling on that front, 434 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: you know, one thing that I thought was, you know, 435 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 2: they've fielded at different times, but I was looking at 436 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal's most recent polling, which also asked, 437 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 2: you know, questions around issues and which and candidate preferences 438 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: on different issue fronts. They found much wider margins in 439 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: favor of Trump on some of the issues, particularly the economy, 440 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: than we did in our poll. But I think one 441 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: thing that stood out as a key difference is our 442 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: poll asked who you trusted on these issues? The Wall 443 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: Street Journal poll asked who did you think had a 444 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: better ability on either of these fronts. And I think 445 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 2: that that's a subtle, by important distinction that that really 446 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: gets at one of the main dynamics of this race. 447 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 2: Folks like a lot of the things Trump is promising 448 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: to do. They even like much of his policy platform, 449 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: even though I find it alarming and horrible. There's a 450 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: lot there that voters believe that they like, but they're 451 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: not actually sure they can trust him to deliver on 452 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 2: any of those fronts. And the reason for that is 453 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: because they know he gets distracted with his strange fixations. 454 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 2: He goes off on people he perceives to be enemies. 455 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: He's too erratic and out of control. And so again, 456 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: I think that the way that she can undermine some 457 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: of Trump's strength on economic issues, and particularly you know 458 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: with some of those you know, blue collar men that 459 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: we're talking about, is by reminding people more and more 460 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: that his erraticism, his craziness is going to prevent him 461 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: from making a positive difference in your life. And I 462 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 2: think that is more the angle to lead into. Then 463 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: you know, he's too old or too unhealthy to be 464 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 2: able to do this right. 465 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 3: Well, It's funny because I remember in two thousand and 466 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 3: eight and being alarmed because all of a sudden there 467 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: was ads running in North Carolina where they had you know, 468 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 3: Bull Connor using the fire hose on you know, black 469 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 3: protesters in Alabama. It's like, Wow, that's that's that's really 470 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: that's that's really too far. But I think that Trump's 471 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 3: behavior allows for really stark imagery right now that could 472 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 3: advantage Harris if she was willing to do it, and 473 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: if the campaign had the capacity to pivot quickly. 474 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning, and I invite 475 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: you to join. Subscribe on our sub stack, on our 476 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, follow us. Welcome to the community.