WEBVTT - D-backs Trade Deadline Countdown: Will Hazen Actually Make a Move?

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to another episode of Snake's Territory, part

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<v Speaker 1>Friedman alongside Jack Summers and Jack. The trade deadline is

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<v Speaker 1>now less than twenty four hours away. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>about nineteen hours fifty nine minutes, give or take, as

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<v Speaker 1>we get This show started on Sunday evening. Nothing has

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<v Speaker 1>happened as of yet for the Diamondbacks, Jack, and Frankly

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<v Speaker 1>around the league, not a whole lot has happened either.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like it's going to be a really busy

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<v Speaker 1>rush to the finish line.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, actions definitely started picking up today. I

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<v Speaker 2>actually had somebody text me, I don't know if this

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<v Speaker 2>is true, said fun fact, only Reds, Marlins and d

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<v Speaker 2>Becks have yet to make a move. Is that true?

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<v Speaker 2>It could be.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't mean moves and a few big ones that

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<v Speaker 3>came through tonight, obviously after the Trek School deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm starting Pitcher moves.

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<v Speaker 1>Padres haven't done anything yet, right, I think there's I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's other teams on that list as well, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Diamondbacks are certainly one of them. And granted this

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<v Speaker 1>is it's really hard to predict when these moves are

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. Like, just because the Diamondbacks haven't done

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<v Speaker 1>anything now, I don't think at all means that this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be a disappointing trade deadline for them.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, we have seen a few names

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<v Speaker 1>that we've talked about on the show come off the board,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess we'll start our conversation there. Earlier today,

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Yankees acquired Luis Garcia Junior from the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Nationals in exchange for four pitching prospects. Garcia, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>a really good left handed hitter, place first base roster wise,

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<v Speaker 1>made a whole lot of sense for the Diamondbacks. There

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<v Speaker 1>was reporting that said the Diamondbacks were interested. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like they didn't have any interest at all in pulling

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<v Speaker 1>this off. But ultimately, I guess the Nationals chose the

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<v Speaker 1>Yankees pitching prospects over the Diamondbacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, they got four pitchers. One of them

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<v Speaker 2>was Bird He's thirty years old. But I think that

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, you know, the Dbacks pitching development isn't

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<v Speaker 2>held in high regard in the industry. That's a fairly

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<v Speaker 2>universal thought.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not surprising that an organization like the Yankees,

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<v Speaker 3>who just keep churning out some pretty good pitchers their

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<v Speaker 3>prospects would be held in higher esteem by a team

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<v Speaker 3>like the Nationals. You know, I think that the price

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<v Speaker 3>tag for Garcia because of the year of control in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty seven, if they play that year and if

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<v Speaker 3>the you know where his free agency lands.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he going to be a free agent in twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk about all that a little later, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think that that year of control probably would have made the.

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<v Speaker 2>Price tag quite stiff for the Diamondbacks. You know, what

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<v Speaker 2>little pitching they have at the top end of their

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<v Speaker 2>organization probably would have had to cough up for him.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's my guest there, but hard to say. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't even know if they ever help deep they

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<v Speaker 2>got into the conversation. Bottom line, he's off the board.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen some starting pitchers go off the board as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Mallley just going to the Atlanta Braves here. In

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<v Speaker 1>the last hour or so, we saw Kevin Gosman go

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<v Speaker 1>to the Chicago Cubs earlier today as well, Freddie Peralta

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<v Speaker 1>goes to the Tampa Bay Rays. I don't think this

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<v Speaker 1>means the d Backs are not going to get a

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<v Speaker 1>starting pitcher. Jack. In fact, I still I still do

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<v Speaker 1>kind of think that's going to happen. There's still a

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<v Speaker 1>number of starting pitchers on the market, including rental starters.

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<v Speaker 1>Brady Singer of the Reds is still out there, Foster

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<v Speaker 1>Griffin of the Nats, Robbie Ray of the Giants, Shane

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<v Speaker 1>Bieber with the Blue Jays, Dustin May of the Cardinals

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<v Speaker 1>is still out there. And a name that is particularly

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<v Speaker 1>interesting from the Diamondbacks perspective is Casey Mice of the

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit Tigers, a name that they've been linked to in

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<v Speaker 1>the past couple of days. Gambo came out on his

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<v Speaker 1>radio show the other day and said this. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>keep your eye on Casey Mice. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>player that they like. Speaking of the Diamondbacks, keep your

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<v Speaker 1>eye on Casey Mize. And we've been around the Arizona

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<v Speaker 1>sports scene long enough Jack to know that when Gambo

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<v Speaker 1>says something like that, it probably means that the Diamondbacks

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<v Speaker 1>are you making some sort of progress. Or at least

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<v Speaker 1>that's a name that they feel like they have a

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate shot of landing by three pm tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Gambo would make that up right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously somebody dropped that name to him, whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>that's actually who they are willing to go all in

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<v Speaker 2>for or whether they're going to have the package. So

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<v Speaker 2>he's not saying that they're definitely going to get them,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's saying, keep an eye on this guy. It's

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<v Speaker 2>clearly a name that they have interested in. And we

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<v Speaker 2>know all so of course that the Dbacks scouted Clay Holmes,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, those are the two guys that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>mostly paying attention to. You know, they both kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fit in financially. We've talked about before with Robbie Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even if you're just taking on thirty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of his payroll, of his salary, that's going to eat

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<v Speaker 2>up basically all of the available payroll that you can

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<v Speaker 2>absorb before you go over the luxury tax, which the

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<v Speaker 2>Diamondbacks are adamant they will not do. So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really think Robbie Ray is a realistic option there to consider,

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<v Speaker 2>unless the Giants were to eat a portion of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and again, if you're gonna get the Giants to eat

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<v Speaker 2>a portion of that, what do you have to give

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<v Speaker 2>up in terms of prospects to a division rival. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think the match is there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it seems like, especially with the luxury tax situation,

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<v Speaker 1>the Diamondbacks, they're right, they're not going to take on

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<v Speaker 1>more than about sixty seven million dollars for the remainder

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<v Speaker 1>of the season. It is prorated, So you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>just what is on the books for the remainder of

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<v Speaker 1>the year for these guys. We only have about a

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<v Speaker 1>third of the season to go. But if a team

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<v Speaker 1>like the Giants were to cover a couple million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>of Robbie Ray's salary, that doesn't help the Diamondbacks from

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<v Speaker 1>a luxury tax perspective. So it is important to keep

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<v Speaker 1>that in mind. Probably going to make it difficult for

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<v Speaker 1>the d Backs to acquire anyone here in the next

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen hours and fifty three minutes that is making, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of meaningful money. It's just going to be

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<v Speaker 1>tricky to pull that off. With regard to Clay Holmes,

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<v Speaker 1>I found this tweet from earlier today. This is from

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<v Speaker 1>Joel Sherman. He said, Clay Holmes in his rehab start

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<v Speaker 1>at High A, Brooklyn, which I believe happened today, five

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<v Speaker 1>and a third inning, seven hits, three runs to earned,

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<v Speaker 1>no walks, three strikeouts, seventy three pitches. Word from the

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<v Speaker 1>stadium was his main pitch. Sinker was good at ninety

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<v Speaker 1>one miles per hour topped at ninety three. Secondary stuff

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looked like a healthy pitcher. Of course, Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>working his way back from that fibula injury. And we

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<v Speaker 1>also did hear that the Diamondbacks are one of the

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<v Speaker 1>teams that had had a scout in attendance for this

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<v Speaker 1>rehab outing. So Clay Holmes jack is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>more desirable starters, one of the more desirable rentals remaining

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<v Speaker 1>on the market. And it sounds like the interest is

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<v Speaker 1>very much still there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think when we talked about him before,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that we liked about him was

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<v Speaker 2>that there is some I guess flexibility there, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he spent most of his career as a reliever.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, on the off chance that the Diamondbacks got

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<v Speaker 2>all their starters back healthy and pitching well and they

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<v Speaker 2>needed more help in the bullpen. Maybe he could be

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<v Speaker 2>an option there as well. So I like that flexibility

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<v Speaker 2>or swing man, especially when you get to the postseason

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<v Speaker 2>where you know you may want to have a guy

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<v Speaker 2>like you may have who knows they may get to

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<v Speaker 2>the postseason and have too many starters. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not out of the realm of possibility. So we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>where they go with this. But you know, Clay Holmes

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<v Speaker 2>and Myes, of course, of the two most attractive options.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see if they get them. Just responding to a

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<v Speaker 2>question here in the chat about ktel Marte, He's never

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<v Speaker 2>done any work at first base that I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you think that Luisa Rise is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be resistant to moving off second base, boy have I

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<v Speaker 2>got news for you about how coateel Marte might feel

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<v Speaker 2>about that. He doesn't mind dhing to get off his feet,

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<v Speaker 2>but katel Marte is the second basement and he's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to move over to first base this year. For

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<v Speaker 2>Luisa Rise, that's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Not going to happen now, especially given that Luisa Rise

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<v Speaker 1>does have experience at first base. I don't think you

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<v Speaker 1>like the idea in general of trying to teach a

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<v Speaker 1>guy a new position with two months to go in

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<v Speaker 1>the season. So if the Dbacs were to acquire Luisa Rise,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it would totally be a Rise playing first

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<v Speaker 1>base for the most part, filling in for Katel at

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<v Speaker 1>second occasionally if Katl is dhing or whatnot. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't know if the Diamondbacks are going to

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<v Speaker 1>get Luis Rays. Seems like there's the market there, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a lot of a lot of interest around

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<v Speaker 1>the league. Not a whole lot of bats are available.

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to circle back to Casey Myz here

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<v Speaker 1>because of the Gambo tweet, the fact we know the

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<v Speaker 1>Diamondbacks have real interest here. I thought this tweet was

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<v Speaker 1>interesting from Nick Pollock at pitcher List on Twitter. Casey

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<v Speaker 1>Myce was scratched from his from his scheduled start believe

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<v Speaker 1>that was either Friday or or yesterday, and Nick made

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting point here he said, here's the real reason

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<v Speaker 1>Casey Miz is in pitching tonight. Casey Miz sat ninety

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<v Speaker 1>four point one miles per hour with his slowest four seamer,

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<v Speaker 1>hitting ninety three point three two starts ago. He sat

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one point nine in his most recent outing and

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<v Speaker 1>fell to under ninety miles an hour in every inning

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<v Speaker 1>of his most recent outing. Now some context, Miz dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with some cramping in his start before this most recent one,

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<v Speaker 1>so there is a bit of a story here, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that explains why his velocity was down in his

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<v Speaker 1>first game back from that. Maybe he was being a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit careful there. But you don't necessarily love seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a guy's VLO tick down a couple miles per hour

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<v Speaker 1>right before you acquire him via trade.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you know, you just have to hope that that

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<v Speaker 2>cramping issue I'm cramping where in his forum, yeah, or

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<v Speaker 2>with it in his legs or did he have a

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<v Speaker 2>tummy egg? I mean, I don't know what that cramping was.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't I didn't research that, so that would be

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<v Speaker 2>useful information to have. I think that, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>the Dbacks were serious about it, they would have been

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<v Speaker 2>in tune with that. They would have asked the team

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Their scouts would know it, you know. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that they would consider that too big

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<v Speaker 2>of a problem. Our good friend Jeff says spending a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of energy on rental starters. However, I still think

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<v Speaker 2>this team's biggest need is a left handed Slugger, don't disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>We just touched on Garcia. I mean, he was on

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<v Speaker 2>the list of players that not rentals. But we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about him before. We've talked forever about Nathaniel Lowe. He's

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<v Speaker 2>still out there. His WRC plus is up to like

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty now, by the way, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd still like to see them drill in on him.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can only imagine that the d Backs

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<v Speaker 2>would have already reached out there and they don't match up,

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<v Speaker 2>or the Reds aren't ready to sell. They won again today,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, we're not really sure. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>report that they have three hitters that they're willing to trade.

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<v Speaker 2>One of would seem that, you know, between him and

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<v Speaker 2>JJ Blade and Spencer Steer, So I think it's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be low that they're gonna trade. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>if the Dbacks matched up with the Reds and the

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<v Speaker 2>Reds were ready to move him, he had already be

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<v Speaker 2>a Dback. That's what I think. I think that they

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<v Speaker 2>got rebuffed. You know, Mike said something really important the

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<v Speaker 2>other day. He said, when you have the players that

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<v Speaker 2>you're selling, you determined that time of the trade, when

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have the players and you're trying to pursue them.

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<v Speaker 2>The other team determines the time of the trade, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there's just a really difficult reality that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some of the trades that they may want

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<v Speaker 2>to make, they either don't have the prospect capital or

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have the budget room. With their self imposed

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<v Speaker 2>staying under the luxury text goal, they only got six

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<v Speaker 2>or seven million dollars to spend, and maybe some of

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<v Speaker 2>the other team's prospects are deemed to be better prospects.

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<v Speaker 2>It may not be easy to get the guys that

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<v Speaker 2>they're going for, you know, and at a certain point,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, do you have the appetite to really

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<v Speaker 2>up your offer to the point where it may not

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<v Speaker 2>be worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, certainly when it comes to bats, it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like they're just or not all that many available.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw Lane Thomas go in a trade to the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta Braves. He's now off the market. Luisa Rise, we

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<v Speaker 1>were just discussing just to frame this conversation for us.

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to bring in this clip here from

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Bikoro's story at the Aarzon Our Republic a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days ago. And he has a quote in here

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<v Speaker 1>from Mike Hazen where Hazen is talking about the Diamondbacks

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<v Speaker 1>top two priorities at the trade deadline, those being a

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<v Speaker 1>starting pitcher and a hitter, likely a left handed one.

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<v Speaker 1>These are Hazen's words, They're one and one A. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are things we're focused on. Nick continues here he did

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<v Speaker 1>not rule out the idea of adding a reliever as well,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it be a high leverage arm or another lefty

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<v Speaker 1>to pair with Brandon Garcia. So I think if you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for the d Backs to check all three of

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<v Speaker 1>these boxes, starting pitcher, a left handed hitter, and bullpen arm,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure you're gonna get that. It seems like

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<v Speaker 1>it would be tricky to pull that off. But starting

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<v Speaker 1>pitching and finding that left handed bat, those seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be the two top priorities, and it's hard to distinguish whether,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't think the dbacs are viewing one

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<v Speaker 1>of those as a must and the other one is

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of an optional. It seems like those are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of in the same camp right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, I joked about it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the day of the week or whatever game they just

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<v Speaker 2>happen to complete or whatever series they happen to complete,

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<v Speaker 2>that will tell us what their priority is. Right So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for the longest time, the number one priority

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<v Speaker 2>was get a bat, and then the offense really started

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<v Speaker 2>scoring a lot of runs until today. You know then, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>Mitch Bratt and you know Cole Drake had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of bad outings. Oh we need a starter right away.

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<v Speaker 2>That's got to be number one. Then Paul Sewald and

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Thompson implode. Oh man, we got to shore up

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<v Speaker 2>the bullpen. Quite frankly, it really is all of the above.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they need a good starter, they need at

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<v Speaker 2>least one good reliever, and they need a left handed bat.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the team weaknesses. Those are the areas that

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<v Speaker 2>they need to improve to plug the holes in this roster.

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<v Speaker 2>And we can see very easily that it's not gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're not going to get all three.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe they could, I don't know, uh maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean all three to a level that we think

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna really plug the hole. I'm not saying they

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<v Speaker 2>won't get a left handed better or a reliever or

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<v Speaker 2>a starter, but I don't think they're gonna get difference

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<v Speaker 2>makers at all three of those slots.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not going to get mis Nathaniel Lowe and.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know Brooks Rally or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Luke Weaver or something like that. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think that's fair. That would feel a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit unrealistic at this point. One other name I

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<v Speaker 1>want to throw into the mix here on the starting

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<v Speaker 1>pitching front, to name that we haven't discussed yet is

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<v Speaker 1>Dustin May of the Saint Louis Cardinals. He's a rental

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<v Speaker 1>starting pitcher who is expected to get dealt. The Cardinals

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<v Speaker 1>have dropped out of the race enough that I think

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<v Speaker 1>trading their rentals certainly makes sense for them. May is

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<v Speaker 1>going to make twelve point five million dollars for this

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<v Speaker 1>season as a whole, means about four million or so

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the way, within range for the Diamondbacks

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<v Speaker 1>on the higher end, but still still within range where

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<v Speaker 1>they could stay under the luxury tax and acquire him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an interesting He's an interesting arm. His numbers for

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<v Speaker 1>the season don't necessarily jump off the page. His ra

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<v Speaker 1>does start with with a four. Certainly not in the

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<v Speaker 1>same category as Clay Holmes or as Clay Holmes or

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<v Speaker 1>Casey miz in that regard, but a four point three

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<v Speaker 1>eight ERA for the season and pretty decent underlying numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a three point one four FIP, one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and six strikeouts compared to thirty five walks, and he

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<v Speaker 1>throws ninety seven miles an hour. That's his average four

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<v Speaker 1>seam fastball. Certainly that would bring a different look to

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<v Speaker 1>this Diamondbacks rotation. They don't really have anyone like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Dustin May is a tough one for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really trust him. He's a five and dive guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he very seldom goes more than five whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't think he goes even six innings

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<v Speaker 2>very often, little in seven or eight. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't trust his health. He's very injury prone. So,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's always had that tantalizing stuff. He's another

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<v Speaker 2>guy like I think, you know, if they would just

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<v Speaker 2>get off to snide and convert this guy to a reliever,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he would just be just like a lights

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<v Speaker 2>out postseason dude, you know, So I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>Mean the other thing too, is we hadn't really looked

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<v Speaker 2>very closely at almost anybody on the Cardinals roster because

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<v Speaker 2>as until July twenty fourth, when the Dbacks had the

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<v Speaker 2>trapes back there, they were still very much right in

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<v Speaker 2>the race. Maybe they've kind of leaked over towards sales side.

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<v Speaker 1>It appears that they have. It appears that that Dustin

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<v Speaker 1>May is pretty likely to get moved. The guys who

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<v Speaker 1>have some control left harder to say, I guess sticking

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<v Speaker 1>with the Cardinals. Lars Newtbar is another name that certainly

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<v Speaker 1>could make sense for the Diamondbacks. Not quite as ideal

0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.359
<v Speaker 1>of a roster fit, because he is an outfielder instead

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<v Speaker 1>of a first baseman, but you know, you could use

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<v Speaker 1>the you could use the DH slot. You could move

0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.640
<v Speaker 1>some guys around and make that work. The other name

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<v Speaker 1>that stands out who is a first baseman is Alec Burlison,

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<v Speaker 1>who I think would be a fantastic fit for the Diamondbacks.

0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Left handed hitter just destroys right handed pitching, pretty similar

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<v Speaker 1>to a Luis Garcia junior. The tricky thing with Burlison

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<v Speaker 1>is he has two more years of control, so the

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<v Speaker 1>price tag is going to be higher, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure the Cardinals really want to go down that road

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<v Speaker 1>at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, I know I sound like a

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<v Speaker 2>broken record. I'm just so hesitant to give up the

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<v Speaker 2>prospect cost that it's going to take for control guys

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<v Speaker 2>because I just don't have a lot of confidence that

0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.359
<v Speaker 2>you're going to actually get all of that control because

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<v Speaker 2>of the looming lockout and time and games lost in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty seven. So that that just I'm not able

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<v Speaker 2>to square that one because I just don't believe that

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<v Speaker 2>any player the players Union is going to agree to

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<v Speaker 2>forego a year of service time and let everybody's uh

0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.040
<v Speaker 2>free agency get pushed out a year. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>really think of the repercussion of that. So they're just

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<v Speaker 2>going to all of a sudden agree, Okay, everyone's going

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<v Speaker 2>to go move out one year. All those pre free

0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.320
<v Speaker 2>agency guys the players wanted to move any other direction.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to negotiate a shortening of the time to

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<v Speaker 2>free agency. So you know, I just see, I just

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<v Speaker 2>see that the control guys, as much as you want them,

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<v Speaker 2>and as much as the organ the dbacks organization insists

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<v Speaker 2>that they're not worried about that. You know, I call

0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.719
<v Speaker 2>a BS on that. Sorry, they're talking about it. They

0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.720
<v Speaker 2>have to be. They can't not be talking about that internally,

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<v Speaker 2>they just can't say anything about it publicly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fair. Certainly, if the Diamondbacks were concerned about

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<v Speaker 1>a lockout and a workstopage and whatnot, like, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>something that the Dare Call or anyone in the organization

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<v Speaker 1>is going to come out on a local radio program

0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and you know, speak openly about Certainly, you wouldn't you

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't expect that. We have a whole lot more to

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<v Speaker 1>get to in this episode. We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the Trek Scoogle trade that yes, it did happen. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a Dodger, big surprise. We will we will talk about

0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.840
<v Speaker 1>that and the ramifications of that. We'll talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>Guardians series as well. Diamondbacks get a series win even

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<v Speaker 1>though this Sunday game was not great and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a weird benches clearing incident that we'll get into as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've got a whole lot more trade stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about as well, So don't go anywhere. We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back right after this. Note from foul Territory, which you

0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:42.960
<v Speaker 1>should be watching tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>There is one place to be on trade deadline day

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<v Speaker 1>we have a super chat. We'll go ahead and dive

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<v Speaker 1>We really appreciate it. They say, what is the ideal

0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:52.920
<v Speaker 1>news to wake up to tomorrow? As a Dbacks fan?

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<v Speaker 1>Love the show? Thanks guys, we appreciate it as always. Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think, what do you think would be

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<v Speaker 1>the ideal news to wake up to on Monday morning?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if we're waking up to it on Monday morning,

0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.720
<v Speaker 2>that means it probably happened very late tonight after we

0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.679
<v Speaker 2>all go to bed. So you know, I would say

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to see them still shore up the pitching.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that that's got to be the number one priority. Yes,

0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.520
<v Speaker 2>they need a bat, but if they can only do one,

0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.080
<v Speaker 2>if we have a Sophie's choice, then they've got to

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<v Speaker 2>shore up the pitching. I mean, Corbyn Carrol and Heraldo

0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Podomo and kateel Marte haven't hit anywhere near their projections

0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.439
<v Speaker 2>or their potential this year, and so you just have

0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:46.119
<v Speaker 2>to hope that those guys come around because the rest

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:49.119
<v Speaker 2>of the team is kind of doing their job, and

0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 2>it's those three guys underperforming what they're expected to do

0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.960
<v Speaker 2>by so much that that's what causes the inconsistency in

0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the offense. So, you know, there's still two months to go,

0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.879
<v Speaker 2>there's no reason to think that there it's impossible for

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:04.640
<v Speaker 2>any of you know, at least two of those three

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.160
<v Speaker 2>guys to kind of get it going. So I think

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:11.200
<v Speaker 2>that the offense has a greater chance to take care

0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:15.320
<v Speaker 2>of itself. But the pitching, the bullpen's getting frayed, they're

0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.840
<v Speaker 2>getting tired, we've got injuries. In a rotation, I think

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.720
<v Speaker 2>the I think the rotation has to be the number one.

0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:24.760
<v Speaker 2>If you can only do one, that's I want to

0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:27.080
<v Speaker 2>see rotation in bullpen. I want to see a starter

0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:29.440
<v Speaker 2>and a reliever. And I say only one. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>sure up the pitching.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. Just to add more specifics to that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you wake up tomorrow and Casey Mice

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<v Speaker 1>is an Arizona Diamondback, I mean that would be pretty compelling,

0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:44.440
<v Speaker 1>like Casey miz Frankly, when we started our trade trade

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<v Speaker 1>deadline discussions, I wasn't really thinking much about Casey Mice

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<v Speaker 1>because number one, I didn't really think the Tigers were

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:52.479
<v Speaker 1>going to trade him, and they still might not. Well see,

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<v Speaker 1>but number two, he's been really good this season, and

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<v Speaker 1>you figure that the price tag there is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be is not going to be very nice with

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<v Speaker 1>all of these teams that are still in the market

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.920
<v Speaker 1>for starting pitching this season, in sixteen starts, eighty six

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and two thirds innings. Mayes has a two point seven

0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 1>zero ERA, a two point five eight FIP. His whip

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>is zero point nine to nine eighty five strikeouts to

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 1>just nineteen walks. I mean, this isn't just a boost

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 1>for your rotation. This is maybe the best starting pitcher

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:28.760
<v Speaker 1>that Diamondbacks would have. I mean, I know Erod has

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:30.800
<v Speaker 1>been awesome this year, and he would be in that

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>conversation as well, but Erod's underlying numbers are not don't

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.760
<v Speaker 1>compare to where Casey Mizes are right now. I mean,

0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:40.840
<v Speaker 1>it looks like this could be sustainable for him, and

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:44.840
<v Speaker 1>if you're a Diamondbacks fanit it's hard to imagine anything better.

0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And look, I mean the other piece here too

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.879
<v Speaker 2>is I am here. We know that Justin Martinez is

0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 2>coming back sometime in August, maybe a little slower than

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 2>we were hoping, but I'm not sure about that, we're all.

0:24:56.800 --> 0:25:00.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm also hearing that it seems to really be leaning

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:03.639
<v Speaker 2>towards Ryan Nelson if he comes back in September, is

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:07.240
<v Speaker 2>coming back as a reliever, so they have reinforcements that

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 2>way as well in the bullpen. So I mean, clearly

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.200
<v Speaker 2>a starter like Myz is going to have a greater

0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 2>impact than any reliever. One thing I wanted to just

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of add in here, Guys, I time after time,

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 2>like whether it's a trade deadline or whether it's during

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 2>the off season, where it's looked like or felt like

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:31.640
<v Speaker 2>the moves are happening too slow, and why aren't they

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:34.879
<v Speaker 2>doing anything? And you know what's Mike hasen doing is

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:38.639
<v Speaker 2>even working. I can tell you this without question that

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 2>they are working their tails off. They are working the phones,

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 2>they are doing everything they possibly can. They're not just

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 2>sitting back sip and tee, you know, hoping that a

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>good deal falls in your lap. These guys are busting it.

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:53.920
<v Speaker 2>They're not sleeping. They're doing everything they can. But as

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Mike said, he doesn't get to control when the words

0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 2>yes get spoken because he doesn't control the players, so

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.159
<v Speaker 2>he can't control the timing. The other thing is is

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 2>we've seen for example, in twenty nineteen, I was in

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 2>the Yankee Stadium and covering the team and the Jazz

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.679
<v Speaker 2>chishom Zach Gallendale went down and we even had a

0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I don't know it was early in

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 2>the afternoon or just as game was starting. We spoke

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 2>to Mike on the conference call, and then I'm sitting

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 2>there writing my story about what's going on with that trade,

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 2>and fifteen minutes before the deadline, just after Zach Gallon

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Zach Grinky had finished his outing boom, he was traded

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 2>with less and fifteen minutes to go before the trade deadline.

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not gonna criticize anything that they're doing or

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 2>not doing until the trade deadline has come and gone.

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:47.120
<v Speaker 2>You have to wait and see all of it.

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>I think the Granky trade is a good one to

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:56.160
<v Speaker 1>bring up here, because that was a deal that, if

0:26:56.160 --> 0:27:00.320
<v Speaker 1>memory serves, Jacket came together because the Astros were willing

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:02.879
<v Speaker 1>to add in a piece that they weren't before, and

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the Diamondbacks had basically said, I want to say it

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 1>was Josh Rojas. I need to double check that, but

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:11.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure the story there was that the Astros

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 1>were unwilling to give up Josh Rojas in that trade,

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>and then in the final minutes leading up to the deadline,

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 1>they were like, all right, here it is, and that's

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>why the deal got over the finish line. I think

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:26.399
<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing happens a lot, especially with a deadline,

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:29.919
<v Speaker 1>like with an actual time where you like if you

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 1>don't get the deal done before then it cannot happen.

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:37.200
<v Speaker 1>That just naturally causes teams to be willing to push

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.240
<v Speaker 1>the chips in in a way that maybe they're not

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 1>going to do a day or two out. So even

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.679
<v Speaker 1>going back to Nathaniel Low, like, maybe it is that

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>the Diamondbacks and Reds aren't matching up there. Maybe it's

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.919
<v Speaker 1>that the Reds have set a certain price and the

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Diamondbacks as of right now are saying we don't want

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 1>to do that. They're still looking around. But that doesn't

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:58.159
<v Speaker 1>mean that in you know, twenty thirty minutes leading up

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>to the deadline, Mike Kasen doesn't just turn around and say, okay,

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 1>you know what we are willing to do that we

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't find anything else better on the market. So I

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.679
<v Speaker 1>really wouldn't worry too much about the timing of these things.

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 1>It's just a matter of the Diamondbacks getting what they

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 1>need to between now and three pm tomorrow. And that's

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 1>a starting pitcher, it's a left handed bat, and the

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.640
<v Speaker 1>icing on the cake if they could do it would

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 1>be to at a reliever as well.

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Right by the way, when looking at relievers, I mean

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:29.679
<v Speaker 2>the one thing that I talked about in an article

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:33.120
<v Speaker 2>I wrote over on SI was they need a left

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 2>handed reliever because they need to free up Randon Garcia

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 2>to work the ninth inning as often as possible, right,

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 2>And if you get a good left handed reliever, then

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 2>that kind of frees up a lane and Tory doesn't

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 2>have to worry about the matchups so much because I think,

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, Isaaca is fine, wa Mario is fine. But

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 2>I think right now, at this point in time, everyone

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 2>almost in this chat and on this podcast would agree

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:00.640
<v Speaker 2>that they trust Brandon Garcia more than the other reliever

0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 2>in empule Pen.

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Ddly enough, well, it's not gonna be aj Minter. The

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Twins got aj Minter from the Mets. That news came

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>out last night. But there are still some left handed

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>relievers out there. I know Brooks Raley of the Mets

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 1>is one that you've talked about. Jojo Romero of the

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Cardinals probably gonna get Dealt as well, So there are

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>still some options in that regard. I guess the starting

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>pitching discussion, like what it ultimately comes back to, the

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>reason we think the Dbacks need a starter is because

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 1>they have Mitch Bratt and Cold Drake and their rotation

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>as of right now, and that leads us Jack into

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>a conversation about this weekend series against the Cleveland Guardians. Ironically,

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 1>the Diamondbacks won the two games with Mitch Bratt and

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Cold Drake starting, and then they did not win the

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 1>game with Merrill Kelly on the mound. I guess to

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 1>start this off, I'm curious, do you think the Diamondbacks

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>need for a starting pitcher, Like, did it increase or

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>decrease in your mind over the weekend or did it

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 1>stay about the same. We had talked about how big

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>of a kind of litmus test this was for Drake

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and for Bratt going in.

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think it gave him some breathing room. Obviously,

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 2>if both of them got blown up and pitched horrible games,

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 2>then I think that would increase the sense of urgency.

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 2>But it gave them just a little bit of breathing

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>room to maybe get through this next period of time

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 2>and allowed Hazen to kind of keep a cool head

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 2>about it and not you know, push push all the

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 2>chips in too early, because these guys aren't able to

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, compete at the major league level. They obviously

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 2>they can compete by the way the Diamondbacks are three

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 2>and two and Mitch Bratt starts in two and one

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>and Cole Drake starts, so they're five and three. When

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 2>those two guys start, they're zero and four and Jose

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Cavera starts. So take that for what you will. Obviously

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 2>that has to do also with bullpen work and run

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.239
<v Speaker 2>support and all those good things. That's not just what

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 2>they've done. They're only going four or five innings. But

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 2>the fact is is that they were pretty good this weekend.

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Good enough I should say, you know, I don't want

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 2>to stretch it too far. I would just say good

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 2>enough this weekend to put the team in a position

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 2>to win. They didn't give up the runs. They competed,

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 2>They stayed in, stayed in the innings, you know, and

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't give up the big crooked numbers like Merrill did today.

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Unfortunately, Merrill Kelly not great in the series finale.

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Five innings, eight hits, five runs, four walks, five strikeouts.

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 1>He sort of pitched out of trouble a little bit

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>and the third inning managed to escape a jam there,

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 1>only giving up two runs. But then the fifth inning

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 1>was ugly for him, started with a four pitch walk

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>to Stephen Kwan and just kind of spiraled out of

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>control from there. Merrill threw just thirty six percent of

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 1>his pitches in the zone in that Sunday game. And

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that's just the number I keep going back to over

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 1>and over again. With Merrill Kelly. It just has to

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>be higher. I mean, thirty six percent is extremely low.

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>I know, he was really trying to work off of

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>his off speed stuff in the game. It seemed like

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to give in and throw fastballs. But

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>you just got to hit the zone more often than that,

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 1>and you know, four walks like this version of Mary

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Kelly just isn't isn't going to work.

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that fifth inning, I mean, let's just

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 2>call it what it was. It sucked because you know,

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 2>there was coming down hard the rain. He was having

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 2>a hard time gripping the ball. You saw some of

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 2>the you know, pitches that he threw just like kind

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>of flying out of his hand armside and you know,

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 2>going up over over the umpire's shoulder and to the backstop.

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 2>There were a couple of those. You know, just the

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 2>conditions really got him at that point. She made it

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 2>really difficult, and you know, I just hope nobody got

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 2>hurt throwing the ball in those conditions at this point.

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean the other thing too, is, look, Gavin Williams

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 2>had no hit stuff, you know, was perfect through five,

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 2>and you know they weren't going to really touch him today.

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's just the way that was. Yes, they

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 2>put a few base runners on finally against him in

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the sixth inning, but you know, Gavin Williams is really, really,

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 2>really good, and he was at the top of his game.

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 2>He's a picture in the middle of a hot streak.

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 2>He was at the top of his game. They weren't

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>going to touch him at all today. I mean, really,

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 2>they didn't need any more runs after the first.

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Two, that is true, but they did try to get

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 1>a base hit against Gavin Williams. Jack and Tim Tawa

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 1>was willing to do whatever it took to make it happen.

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Twa in an one count to start the sixth inning,

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:36.560
<v Speaker 1>after Gavin Williams had thrown five perfect innings, Tala attempts

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>to lay down a bunch. It was not successful, it

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 1>went foul, but it was just the attempt that got

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 1>a noticeable reaction from Patrick Bailey behind home played Brian

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Rochio as well the Guardian short stop. They were not

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>happy about it, this whole unwritten rule situation. If a

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 1>guy's throwing a no hitter a perfect game, you don't

0:33:56.160 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>try to break it up with a bunt. I personally

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>think that's dumb and Diamondbacks and any team should be

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 1>free to do whatever they want in that situation. I mean,

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>we see bunts used often as a way to jump

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 1>start the offense, and I don't think this is a

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 1>gimmicky like, oh, Tim Tawa is just trying to break

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>up the perfect game. He's not trying to win. I

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 1>think he was trying to like do what was best

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>for the Diamondbacks there. And Tory Lavello talked about this

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 1>after the game. His view was like, over the first

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>six innings, you can do whatever you want. Anything is

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 1>on the table in a no hit or perfect game situation.

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Tory did acknowledge, like the last few innings of a game,

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:39.959
<v Speaker 1>maybe it wouldn't be cool to do that sort of thing,

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 1>But I think it's all dumb Jack. I think the

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 1>fact that we saw the benches clear when the rain

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 1>delay started, I thought that was dumb. And I don't

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 1>know these unwritten rules of baseball. Sometimes they're just a

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>head scratcher for me.

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know who said what to who, but

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Steven Vote said that it wasn't the fact that he

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.240
<v Speaker 2>tried to bunt that got him upset, it was something

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 2>that was being said into his dugout. So I don't

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 2>know who said what into his dugout, but it sound

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 2>looked like to me they were probably pushing back on

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 2>all the chirpin and yelling at Tim Tower that he

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 2>was getting. So I think that, you know, look, some

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:24.320
<v Speaker 2>of their players reacted or overreacted, as you mentioned Patrick

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Belly Rokio. They overreacted to that situation, I think, and

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 2>there were guys chirping at Tim Tower, and I think

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:37.760
<v Speaker 2>that ultimately what happened there was that people started chirping

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 2>back at the Guardians dugout, and that's what got you know,

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:46.399
<v Speaker 2>something was said into the Guardians dugout that bothered Stephen Vote,

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 2>and that's why that's what he came out to address.

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:52.720
<v Speaker 2>So later when him and Tory met at home Plate,

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, they had a conversation. Tory joked that Tim

0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Hill of MLB has mentored him to not escalate things,

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 2>and that's what Tory went out to do was to

0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 2>de escalate, and him and Vote did exactly that and

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>had their conversation that third base coach Odor I don't

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:13.439
<v Speaker 2>know what his deal was. He was like hopping around.

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 2>He was not acting like a coach. He was acting

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 2>like a hot headed player, and I don't know what

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.280
<v Speaker 2>his deal was. I'd love to have heard a quote

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 2>from or about him and what he was doing, but

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:25.799
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen anything on that.

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 1>Of course, Tim Tawa wound up singling anyway, and it

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>wasn't on a bunt. It was just on a line

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.360
<v Speaker 1>drive to right field, So the whole thing a little

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 1>anti climactic. When all was said and done, Diamondbacks lose

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.400
<v Speaker 1>the game five to nothing. They managed just two hits

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 1>throughout the game. But all in all, Dbachs finished this

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 1>ten game road trip, this monster of a ten game

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 1>road trip, six and four. They still won the series

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>against the Guardians, taking two out of three there. And

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 1>as you said, Gavin Williams is just an awesome pitcher.

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 1>I think he entered with forty five strikeout in his

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 1>last four starts, which is outrageous. He was averaging like

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 1>eleven strikeouts per start over his past few outings, So

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is just one of those situations where

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:14.359
<v Speaker 1>you kind of get got by one of the best

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 1>starters in baseball.

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think he only walked a couple of

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 2>guys in those four starts.

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's unreal.

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Hey, six and four road trip, you won the series.

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:26.760
<v Speaker 2>You got out of there with that horrible rain delay

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.880
<v Speaker 2>and poor field conditions. You know, it looks like everyone's fine,

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:34.279
<v Speaker 2>nobody got hurt. You come back home, you know, and

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 2>you got to get ready for a tough series, four

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 2>game series against the Padres. And we'll have to see

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 2>who's pitching in that series for the Padres.

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I tried. That's actually kind of funny you say that.

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I tried pulling from Ross to resource the starting pitchers

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>for that series, and it lists Harmon Marquez twice. They

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 1>have Harmon Marquez is the opener for Tuesday's game and

0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 1>then is the starter for Wednesday's game. So we all

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:03.760
<v Speaker 1>we really know is that Michael King is starting on Monday,

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 1>and then after that it's sort of anybody's guests. Maybe

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 1>we see a pitcher that the Padres acquire before the

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 1>trade deadline. On the diamondback side, it lines up to

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 1>be Brandon fought on Monday, Eduardo Rodriguez Tuesday, and then

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Mitch Bratt and Cole Drake starting the final two games

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 1>of that series. As far as the standings go, the

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Padres have certainly been on a nice run here. San

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Diego enters fifty eight and fifty four. They have won

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 1>eight of their last nine games. They just finished a

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 1>series win against the San Francisco Giants, they took three

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 1>out of four there, and the Miami Marlins have also

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of bounced back here. They have won six out

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 1>of seven games since snapping their twelve game losing streak.

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>So the Marlins are a game and a half out

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 1>right now. The Padres are just one game out entering

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 1>the series Pirates, Cardinals, Nationals. All of those teams have

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 1>struggled recently. Pirates now three and a half out, Cardinals four,

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Nationals four and a half games out, and the Diamondbacks

0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:10.280
<v Speaker 1>and Phillies are tied as of right now at fifty

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 1>nine and fifty three, both those teams in the playoff

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>picture as of now.

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I mean, it's just kind of funny

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:22.440
<v Speaker 2>how the Marlins just don't go away, right, And I

0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:24.800
<v Speaker 2>don't really know what's going to happen there with you know, players,

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 2>am I trade? I was also thinking about the Nationals.

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like they were not that far out of it, right,

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.800
<v Speaker 2>They're pretty close, and all of a sudden they trade

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Mead and now they trade Garcia, and I wonder what's

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 2>going on in that clubhouse, because, like, you know, the

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 2>pictures they brought in aren't like going to plug in

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:43.439
<v Speaker 2>and help drive them to the postseason, right. I mean,

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you know they got early, but he's still on the

0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 2>injured list, I believe, and you know, they brought in

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 2>some believers and minor league pitching prospect and I kind

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:56.839
<v Speaker 2>of think, like the guys in the clubhouse there must

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 2>be like, wait a minute, we fought our asses off

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:04.040
<v Speaker 2>to get close here, and we're in this race. Why

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't you go out and get a picture for us.

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Instead you took away like forty home runs off our offense.

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 2>So I just so it's a random thought I had

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 2>about that when I look at the standings and thinking

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 2>about what they must be thinking in the clubhouse in Washington.

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 1>It's not the move that Mike hasn would have made.

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I feel pretty confident saying that Mike Hasn has developed

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 1>a reputation at this point. He's one of the more

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 1>aggressive general managers in the sport. And with the Diamondbacks

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and the position that they're in, you figure there's there's

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 1>got to be at least one move coming for the

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Dbacks here in the next to nineteen hours and nineteen

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>minutes or so. Diamondbacks, though, Yeah, successful road trip, certainly

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>hard to be upset there about a six and four record.

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 1>What people might be upset about, though, is the fact

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that the Los Angeles Dodgers just tweeted this about an

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 1>hour ago, and it says Terrek has arrived, and it

0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 1>is a picture of Tarrek's scouble wearing a Dodgers hoodie,

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 1>and this is now a thing. Trek Scoobel is a

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:13.080
<v Speaker 1>member of the Los Angeles Dodgers. The package to acquire

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.719
<v Speaker 1>him was I'm not gonna say it was light, but

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 1>it was maybe lighter than what the industry expected. The

0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 1>deal was for three players outfield prospects, your hope, right

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 1>handed pitcher River Ryan, and then right handed pitcher Brady Smith.

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:32.360
<v Speaker 1>So your Hope is one of the better outfield prospects

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.320
<v Speaker 1>in baseball, but he's also one of like four hundred

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>outfield prospects that the Dodgers have, and it feels like

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 1>that loss. I don't want to say it's irrelevant to them,

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 1>but certainly not something that they're going to be losing

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:47.399
<v Speaker 1>sleepover with Tarrek Scoobel in their rotation. Now, the other

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:50.759
<v Speaker 1>big piece there was River Ryan, right handed pitcher, who

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 1>made four starts two years ago that were good in

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:56.879
<v Speaker 1>the majors. Those are the only four starts he's made

0:41:56.880 --> 0:42:00.400
<v Speaker 1>at the big league level. He struggled with injuries. He

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:04.399
<v Speaker 1>somehow is still ranked pretty highly on prospect lists even

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 1>though he is twenty seven years old and is only

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>like a couple of years younger than Derek Skougel himself.

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 2>How is the twenty seven year old still in a

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 2>prospect list. I don't get it. I mean, my old

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 2>way of thinking was you're older in twenty five year

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:19.680
<v Speaker 2>off the list.

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 1>It feels people are, of course hypothesizing that if River

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Ryan played for any team but the Dodgers, he would

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 1>not be on these prospect lists. I don't know if

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I fully buy into that, but I think there may

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 1>be there's something there.

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:39.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, look, you know the question here, we don't

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:45.840
<v Speaker 2>know did the Tigers want somebody else and the Dodgers

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:48.760
<v Speaker 2>told them to pound sand Or were those the guys

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.919
<v Speaker 2>that the Tigers really wanted. I mean, you know, we

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 2>were not inside their heads. Maybe they just love Zaier

0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Hope and they see, you know, a future multi All

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 2>star in him. I mean, there's always that potential element.

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 2>You can't always just go buy these prospect rankings when

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 2>we're looking at these things. That being said, you know,

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:12.879
<v Speaker 2>the industry consenses is that the package is a little

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 2>bit light. But it's not. It's not so much the package,

0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 2>it's just the fact that that's sticking in everybody's craw

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:21.480
<v Speaker 2>And it's kind of a little funny to me. My

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:25.719
<v Speaker 2>good friend and coworker, Alex Stagostino. I mean, you know,

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 2>we've known and talked about this over and over again.

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Trek School is going to be a Dodger. There is

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:33.280
<v Speaker 2>like no question that he was going to be a Dodger.

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 2>And it's just the visceral reaction to it actually happening

0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 2>and how this is now suddenly the trigger point that's

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 2>going to cause the lockout. I got to be honest,

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I find it a little bit of musing. Yes, there's

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 2>going to be a lockout one hundred percent going to

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:52.799
<v Speaker 2>be a lockout. It's not happening because Trek school is

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.319
<v Speaker 2>going to the Dodgers. It sucks that Trek Schools going

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:57.719
<v Speaker 2>to the Dodgers, sucks for us, sucks for the rest

0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.680
<v Speaker 2>of the National League, But that's not the reason is

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 2>going to be a lockout. So you know, I think

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:06.719
<v Speaker 2>that it's it's a good chance for us to kind

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 2>of step back and let's like really discuss what's going

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 2>on here. So Jesse and I are going to kind

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 2>of hash this out a little bit.

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think to reiterate your point, like there was

0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:21.640
<v Speaker 1>already a one hundred percent chance of there being a

0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 1>lockout at the end like in December, right, I mean

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 1>we already knew that. Could this have an impact on

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 1>like how many games are missed potentially next season? I

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 1>guess you could make that case. I don't really think

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 1>it does. As you said, we already kind of thought

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 1>that Trek Scoople was going to the Dodgers, and so

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 1>this is just you know, the manifestation of that, as

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 1>painful as it as it could still be. But yeah,

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the larger conversation here, Jack, of course,

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 1>people are are looking at the Dodgers and the fact

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 1>that if you include their luxury tax bill, I think

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 1>they're going to spend six hundred and ten million dollars

0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 1>on this roster this season compared to I mean, heck,

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 1>the Diamondbacks are going out there and spending more than

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 1>most teams relative to their revenue, and they're spending significantly

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 1>less than half of that on their roster in twenty

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty six, and they're showing some hesitation to go into

0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the competitive balanced tax at all. So yeah, I don't

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 1>really think that this move changes the calculus much, but

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I do think that it is just going to embolden

0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the people who were planning to fight for a salary cap.

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:38.520
<v Speaker 1>This is just kind of another feather in their cap,

0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 1>another thing that they can point to and say, look,

0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Trek Skoubel is a Dodger. They're trading away prospects that

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:48.600
<v Speaker 1>frankly they I don't think they're really losing sleep over

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:52.759
<v Speaker 1>any of these guys, and the endless resources that they

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 1>seemingly have are kind of the reason that's happening.

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you could, could you pull up Bob's comment

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:02.799
<v Speaker 2>from his Sunday note, So, Bob, I happen to know

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Bob pretty well. He didn't write this this Sunday morning

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 2>after the Stoogle deal, And you know, he definitely wrote

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 2>this most of his notes on Friday and Saturday. That's

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:15.320
<v Speaker 2>what he does. He compiles it and puts it together.

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 2>But what Bob said in his notes, it's nearly impossible

0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 2>to find an owner these days who doesn't believe there

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 2>will be a prolonged work stoppage in twenty twenty seven

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 2>that will shorten the season, with several believing the entire

0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 2>season could be wiped out. When one owner was asked

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the chances of even playing next season, he responded maybe

0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:42.359
<v Speaker 2>twenty five percent, no higher. So Jeff Passen recently said

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:46.240
<v Speaker 2>something very similar that he had spoken to a number

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:50.640
<v Speaker 2>of owners that are absolutely convinced that the twenty twenty

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 2>seven season is not going to get played. So, yes,

0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm pausing for effect here, guys. I mean, I want

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:03.000
<v Speaker 2>everybody to think about this. Be careful what you wish for,

0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Be careful what you wish for, because our sport is

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:13.920
<v Speaker 2>not going to survive in the same form at all

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:18.280
<v Speaker 2>as far as popularity and importance on the American scene.

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:22.759
<v Speaker 2>If we miss the entire twenty twenty seven season. And

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:25.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that the right thing or the wrong

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:29.839
<v Speaker 2>thing is to have a salary cap or not. I

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:36.640
<v Speaker 2>think that before we talk about the payroll disparity, we

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:40.280
<v Speaker 2>need to talk about the revenue disparity. It's the revenue

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:44.959
<v Speaker 2>disparity that's the root cause of the payroll disparity, right,

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 2>So I'm more focused on revenue disparity and how to

0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:52.920
<v Speaker 2>close that gap. And then if you can close the

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:56.880
<v Speaker 2>gap on revenue disparity, then you can use any number

0:47:56.920 --> 0:48:01.439
<v Speaker 2>of mechanisms to then create more parody when it comes

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:05.840
<v Speaker 2>to payroll and competitiveness on the field. Okay, but unless

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 2>you're willing and able to address the revenue disparity, you're

0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:13.879
<v Speaker 2>not going to get there. What Major League Baseball wants

0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.240
<v Speaker 2>to do, and the reason they set up this cap

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 2>and by the way, the cap number that they have

0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 2>is ridiculously low, ridiculously low. It's like two hundred and

0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:26.759
<v Speaker 2>forty five million dollars that they proposed. And by the

0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.640
<v Speaker 2>time you take out the seventeen million for benefits and

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 2>one point seven million for the incentive funds basically player benefits,

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.719
<v Speaker 2>it's really two hundred and twenty six million dollars cap subserved,

0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:41.439
<v Speaker 2>same thing with their floor of one seventy two, it's

0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:45.240
<v Speaker 2>really like one fifty five. So you know, these numbers

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:49.239
<v Speaker 2>aren't workable. What the cap is about is for Major

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 2>League Baseball to make more money. And if you have

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 2>any doubt that this is about major League Baseball taking

0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:01.880
<v Speaker 2>more of the money, Occam's raise gang. The only reason

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:05.160
<v Speaker 2>they're willing to lose or willing to risk losing all

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.399
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty seven is because they're going to come

0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:13.000
<v Speaker 2>out so much further ahead financially by capping player salary.

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:17.680
<v Speaker 2>So in my mind, either you're going to have to

0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:22.520
<v Speaker 2>increase that cap and floor, but share the revenue properly. Now,

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 2>how you get the revenue shared, There's a lot of

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:29.359
<v Speaker 2>different ways to go about that. But until they address that,

0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:31.799
<v Speaker 2>there isn't going to be any compromise. We are going

0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.600
<v Speaker 2>to lose twenty twenty seven and our sport's never going

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:35.080
<v Speaker 2>to recover.

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:44.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think that the Dodgers being able

0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:46.720
<v Speaker 1>to do this is not just a function of their money,

0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:49.560
<v Speaker 1>and that's something that we should that we should mention, right,

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the Dodgers are trading away players in this deal,

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:57.839
<v Speaker 1>and other teams could have theoretically matched this offer, right.

0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Treek School is going to make about ten

0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:02.600
<v Speaker 1>million dollars the rest of the season. That's not a

0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:05.360
<v Speaker 1>prohibitive amount of money. It's not like the Dodgers are

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:08.080
<v Speaker 1>the only team that could do that. At the same time,

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 1>the fact that the Dodgers can go out there and

0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, give Kyle Tucker sixty million dollars to be

0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:18.080
<v Speaker 1>a league average player and not really worry about it,

0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Like they've just built so much depth on their roster

0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 1>and in their organization that the need for them to

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:29.800
<v Speaker 1>get something out of zayre Hope or to get something

0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:32.719
<v Speaker 1>out of River Ryan is just not the same as

0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:35.759
<v Speaker 1>it is for other teams. And so for anyone out

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:37.880
<v Speaker 1>there saying like, oh, any other team could have done this,

0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:42.520
<v Speaker 1>I think that's an oversimplification there. There is an issue here,

0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of it has to do with a

0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:48.520
<v Speaker 1>TV revenue. The fact that the Dodgers TV deal is

0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:50.960
<v Speaker 1>is I think it's three hundred million dollars a season

0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:56.439
<v Speaker 1>something like that, thirty something, three point thirty something. And yeah,

0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the other teams around the League of Diamondbacks certainly aren't

0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:03.120
<v Speaker 1>anywhere close to that after the issues that they've had

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:06.200
<v Speaker 1>on the TV side here over the past few years.

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 1>So that is a revenue disparity that does not seem

0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:13.160
<v Speaker 1>to make sense, Like do the Dodgers deserve to make

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.920
<v Speaker 1>that much more from TV than other teams just because

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:18.680
<v Speaker 1>they're in a bigger market. That's when you're getting into

0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:22.640
<v Speaker 1>like market size is having an enormous, enormous impact on revenue,

0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 1>and I think that that's where MLB can step in

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:27.280
<v Speaker 1>and try to level the playing field.

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:29.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the TV contract, by the way, and I see

0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 2>some comments here, so let me help clarify this as well. Yes,

0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:36.879
<v Speaker 2>back in twenty eleven, the Dodgers under frankmin Court went

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:41.640
<v Speaker 2>into bankruptcy. When they came out when when they're coming

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:44.439
<v Speaker 2>going through that process and came out of bankruptcy court,

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:52.120
<v Speaker 2>the bankruptcy judge determined at that time their television contract

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:56.839
<v Speaker 2>was valued at eighty five million dollars and they put

0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:58.840
<v Speaker 2>in an escalator I think of three or four percent

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:02.120
<v Speaker 2>per year and though that money's tax just like the

0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Yankees eight now for example, they have I think a

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:07.920
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty seven million dollar television contract in

0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:11.280
<v Speaker 2>their tax to twenty percent. It goes into a central pool.

0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:15.920
<v Speaker 2>So the bankruptcy court was the one that determined the

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 2>size of the amount that MLB could use to determine

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 2>their tax. The reason they did that at the time,

0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:26.400
<v Speaker 2>why the judge stepped in and determined that number is

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:31.160
<v Speaker 2>because they were worried about MLB understating what that number was.

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 2>What happened subsequently was after they came out of bankruptcy,

0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:39.719
<v Speaker 2>they got a new television deal and they're making like

0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:43.240
<v Speaker 2>three hundred and thirty million dollars on it. But the

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.600
<v Speaker 2>amount that the judge determined this was from the judge.

0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:49.719
<v Speaker 2>This isn't the Dodgers cheating or taking advantage. This is

0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 2>what the judge determined was at eighty five with escalator

0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:55.840
<v Speaker 2>three or four percent per year. That goes until twenty

0:52:55.880 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 2>thirty nine. So when you do the math awesome math online,

0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:05.480
<v Speaker 2>I think it works out to an extra sixty something

0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 2>million that they're pocketing because of their television deal. That

0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:12.920
<v Speaker 2>if that had never been put in place by the

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 2>judge in that manner and they were being taxed on

0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:19.640
<v Speaker 2>a full amount now, it would probably be sixty something

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:23.200
<v Speaker 2>million dollars more going into the central pool that gets

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 2>then divided by the clubs.

0:53:27.680 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a it's a mess. I mean, it's clearly

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:34.640
<v Speaker 1>something that I think it's an issue that even the

0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:37.640
<v Speaker 1>players Union could maybe get behind. And it feels like

0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:42.960
<v Speaker 1>that's where we're maybe headed with the CBA negotiations. Is

0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:46.480
<v Speaker 1>is there a way, as you're saying, to balance out

0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:50.480
<v Speaker 1>the revenue disparity around the league, even without having an

0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:54.799
<v Speaker 1>actual salary cap to to kind of enforce that. So

0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I definitely knew that this was going to have happen.

0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:03.520
<v Speaker 1>If the Dodgers got Scooble, it was inevitable that all

0:54:03.560 --> 0:54:06.400
<v Speaker 1>of these discussions were going to happen all over again.

0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:09.880
<v Speaker 1>I know you mentioned earlier, Jack, that baseball would have

0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:13.680
<v Speaker 1>a hard time recovering in twenty twenty seven if that

0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:17.879
<v Speaker 1>we actually were to have an entire season missed. And

0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:24.360
<v Speaker 1>you made this lovely attendance graphic from going back to

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:30.560
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety showing MLB attendance per game on a year

0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:33.759
<v Speaker 1>by year basis, and you can see here Jack, you've

0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:36.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of pointed it out to us that if you

0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:40.439
<v Speaker 1>compare nineteen ninety four to the seasons immediately after it,

0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:43.440
<v Speaker 1>it took a while for attendance to bounce back.

0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Up, right, So there's a few things I want to

0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:49.320
<v Speaker 2>point out here. Number one, attendances and everything, right, Attendance

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:52.200
<v Speaker 2>and gate receips back in the early nineties and middle

0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:55.360
<v Speaker 2>nineties were a higher percentage of teams overall revenue than

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:58.359
<v Speaker 2>they are today. However, the point I'm trying to make

0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:01.879
<v Speaker 2>here with this little chart is in nineteen ninety four,

0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:06.480
<v Speaker 2>when the strike happened, teams were averaging just over thirty

0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:11.600
<v Speaker 2>one thousand, four hundred fans attendance per game. There's a

0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>big myth out there that it all recovered, when you know,

0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:19.359
<v Speaker 2>cal Ripken came back and Mark maguire and Samussa had

0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:22.759
<v Speaker 2>the home run race. But actually, if you look at

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:25.879
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety six and you look at nineteen ninety eight,

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:29.360
<v Speaker 2>they did not recover back to the same levels of attendance.

0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:32.840
<v Speaker 2>There were at least two thousand, three thousand fans less

0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:36.319
<v Speaker 2>per game on average. They didn't get back to what

0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:40.240
<v Speaker 2>they had until two thousand and five, eleven years later.

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:43.800
<v Speaker 2>And actually the peak in the last since nineteen ninety

0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:46.440
<v Speaker 2>and in the last thirty five years was two thousand

0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:50.439
<v Speaker 2>and seven. Then, of course you had the pandemic. This

0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:53.760
<v Speaker 2>chart actually doesn't even include of course twenty twenty twenty

0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:56.680
<v Speaker 2>one or twenty two, because all three of those years

0:55:56.719 --> 0:55:59.080
<v Speaker 2>were impacted by the pandemic. I don't pick it up

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:02.399
<v Speaker 2>again until twenty three, and then you can see out

0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:05.359
<v Speaker 2>there to the right in twenty twenty six. You know,

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:08.279
<v Speaker 2>it's just over at twenty nine thousand, four hundred, so

0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.160
<v Speaker 2>you can see that attendance actually never even got back

0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:15.480
<v Speaker 2>to what it was in two thousand and seven and

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:18.440
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety four. So that's the first part. The

0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:22.759
<v Speaker 2>second part is the number of fans. The number of

0:56:22.760 --> 0:56:26.759
<v Speaker 2>people in the country that have baseball as their favorite

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:30.720
<v Speaker 2>sport to watch has dropped. My good friend Jim McLennan

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 2>over at Asy Snake Pit had found some information on

0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:35.760
<v Speaker 2>this and you could see it drop from like fourteen

0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:39.120
<v Speaker 2>percent down to nine percent over about a ten year period.

0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:44.040
<v Speaker 2>The data stopped in twenty twenty three. But this is

0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:47.560
<v Speaker 2>nineteen This is not nineteen ninety four. This is twenty

0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:53.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty six. Between streaming, online, internet, all the different sports options,

0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 2>people are going to walk away. You know, look, I

0:56:58.080 --> 0:57:00.960
<v Speaker 2>may walk away if they lose me. They're going to

0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 2>lose a lot of people. And so when I talk

0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:08.359
<v Speaker 2>about to be careful what you wish for. I'm going

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:11.319
<v Speaker 2>to really show my age here. If any of you

0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:14.520
<v Speaker 2>seen the movie Gone with the Wind. Has anybody actually

0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 2>watched that movie? Remember at the beginning of the movie

0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 2>when all the young men were so gung ho and

0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:22.160
<v Speaker 2>eager to go off to war? How did that work

0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:25.480
<v Speaker 2>out for them? So, you know, my point here is

0:57:26.400 --> 0:57:30.280
<v Speaker 2>I see memes, you know, lockout now and all of that.

0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:33.400
<v Speaker 2>That's not going to solve the problem. We're probably going

0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:35.360
<v Speaker 2>to end up with a lockout, miss a lot of games,

0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:39.560
<v Speaker 2>and still not have a salary cap. That's my prediction.

0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 2>We'll never going to have a salary cap, but we

0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:44.840
<v Speaker 2>are going to miss a lot of games. So I

0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 2>think that I really hope that koulaads prevailed all the

0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:51.080
<v Speaker 2>way around and that they figure out a way to

0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:54.640
<v Speaker 2>address the revenue sharing because if Major League Baseball continues

0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:57.640
<v Speaker 2>to insist to ram through a salary cap or attempt

0:57:57.800 --> 0:57:59.920
<v Speaker 2>to ram through a salary cap, it's just going to

0:57:59.960 --> 0:58:00.680
<v Speaker 2>be a disaster.

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:06.280
<v Speaker 1>One thing I'll add on some of the owners making

0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:09.040
<v Speaker 1>these comments about you know, I don't think there's gonna

0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:10.960
<v Speaker 1>be a season there. You know, there's a twenty five

0:58:11.000 --> 0:58:13.920
<v Speaker 1>percent chance the next year gets played. I will just

0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:16.800
<v Speaker 1>say it is in the owner's best interest to talk

0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:20.600
<v Speaker 1>in that way, whether they actually think that or not. Right,

0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:25.000
<v Speaker 1>you want the union to think that you're very serious

0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:28.520
<v Speaker 1>about getting a salary cap, no matter what it takes.

0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 1>At this point, it does you no good if you're

0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:32.840
<v Speaker 1>an owner and you come out and say, yeah, I

0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:35.080
<v Speaker 1>think we're gonna have a season next year. I don't

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:37.000
<v Speaker 1>think it's I think we're gonna play a full year,

0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:40.240
<v Speaker 1>because that would indicate, Okay, well, you must not be

0:58:40.400 --> 0:58:43.720
<v Speaker 1>all that serious about pushing a salary cap through, because

0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:46.560
<v Speaker 1>it is very well documented that the union wants nothing

0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:49.560
<v Speaker 1>to do with that. So I'm not reading all that

0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:52.440
<v Speaker 1>much into those comments. I do think there's gonna be

0:58:52.480 --> 0:58:56.880
<v Speaker 1>a twenty twenty seven season, just sort of my my speculative,

0:58:57.000 --> 0:58:59.880
<v Speaker 1>gut feel. I think when push comes to shove enough,

0:59:00.040 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 1>people understand how detrimental it would be, as you've talked about,

0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:07.600
<v Speaker 1>if we just didn't have any baseball for a full year.

0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:10.280
<v Speaker 1>The sport has made so much progress here in recent years.

0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 1>It feels like the rule changes have how to positive impact.

0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:16.760
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of positive energy. It just cannot happen,

0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and I think at the end of the day. I

0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:21.840
<v Speaker 1>hope at the end of the day people recognize that

0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and we're able to have most of, if not just

0:59:25.720 --> 0:59:28.040
<v Speaker 1>an entirely full twenty twenty seven season.

0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:31.680
<v Speaker 2>This is why I love doing this podcast, you know,

0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:34.760
<v Speaker 2>so so all our listeners know, I'm giving opinion. I'm

0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:38.120
<v Speaker 2>not giving facts on everything. I mean, obviously I am

0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:41.400
<v Speaker 2>quoting some facts and figures here and there, but I'm

0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:44.280
<v Speaker 2>also giving an opinion about what they mean and what

0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:47.880
<v Speaker 2>my concerns are. And I love that my partner here, Jesse,

0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:50.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's a much more lass half full type

0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:53.000
<v Speaker 2>of guy than I tend to be, so I need

0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:59.200
<v Speaker 2>to saying much. So you know, look, this is a

0:59:59.200 --> 1:00:01.880
<v Speaker 2>big concern for everybody, and you know everyone has their

1:00:01.880 --> 1:00:04.560
<v Speaker 2>own thoughts and feelings on it, and you know, I

1:00:05.160 --> 1:00:08.000
<v Speaker 2>think that it's just I hope everyone steps back from

1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the ledge. That's that's hope.

1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, because I

1:00:14.440 --> 1:00:16.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know what I would do with myself for an

1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:19.320
<v Speaker 1>entire year if there was no baseball like that, that's

1:00:19.400 --> 1:00:22.440
<v Speaker 1>just that's a scary thought. I don't want to even

1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:26.080
<v Speaker 1>have to think about that. So hopefully Major League baseball

1:00:26.200 --> 1:00:30.160
<v Speaker 1>does happen in twenty twenty seven. But nonetheless, the fact

1:00:30.200 --> 1:00:33.880
<v Speaker 1>that Derek scoubl is on the Dodgers is not ideal.

1:00:35.040 --> 1:00:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I did want to just one more time touch on

1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:40.720
<v Speaker 2>the deferrals because I still keep seeing that come up online,

1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:43.320
<v Speaker 2>and so for any of our listeners that haven't heard

1:00:43.320 --> 1:00:46.360
<v Speaker 2>this before, I think it's really important to understand that

1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:52.400
<v Speaker 2>just because money is deferred in a contract doesn't mean

1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:54.760
<v Speaker 2>that they don't have to pay that money until after

1:00:54.800 --> 1:00:57.560
<v Speaker 2>the player retires. At the end of the contract, they

1:00:57.600 --> 1:01:01.800
<v Speaker 2>have to fund that money into an account by July

1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:05.320
<v Speaker 2>first of the year following that the money was owed. So,

1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:09.280
<v Speaker 2>for example, when sho he Otani deferred twenty four million

1:01:09.320 --> 1:01:12.520
<v Speaker 2>dollars of his seventy million dollars salary the first year

1:01:12.560 --> 1:01:16.800
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four, that twenty four million deferred had

1:01:16.840 --> 1:01:19.000
<v Speaker 2>to go to or however what it was, I'm sorry,

1:01:19.160 --> 1:01:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking the number forty six million is a CBT.

1:01:21.840 --> 1:01:25.240
<v Speaker 2>The sixty eight million that was deferred out of seventy

1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:30.280
<v Speaker 2>That sixty eight million is put into an escrow account

1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:33.520
<v Speaker 2>by July first of the following year twenty twenty five,

1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:37.120
<v Speaker 2>and they do that year after year. Okay, so they

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<v Speaker 2>have to. When the Diamondbacks deferred ten twelve million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>a year of Corbyn Brn, they deferred sixty million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>of Corbyn Burn's contract. The twenty twenty five money that

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<v Speaker 2>was deferred was just deposited no later than July first

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<v Speaker 2>of this year, So it's not like they have that money.

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<v Speaker 2>And definitely to just use whatever they want, they have

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<v Speaker 2>to put it in these escor accounts. Sorry to correct

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<v Speaker 2>myself one more time. The amount that they deposit is

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<v Speaker 2>what is deemed as the net present value. So in

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<v Speaker 2>Oltani's case, it is forty six million that the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 2>have to deposit until I first of every year of

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<v Speaker 2>that contract.

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<v Speaker 1>And is it like weird and gimmicky that Major League

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball allows deferrals to that extent? I would say yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I still don't know if it's if it's great

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<v Speaker 1>that you can do that. It just seems kind of

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre that it's like allowed to defer sixty eight out

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<v Speaker 1>of out of the seventy million dollars that you're making annually.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean, anyone's saying that, like, oh, deferrals

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<v Speaker 1>are ruining baseball or the Dodgers are getting these guys

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<v Speaker 1>for nothing. Yeah, it's not it's not true, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do think it's also. I mean, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone around here is going to want to hear this,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, the Dodgers are really good at this. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they they are doing what they ought to be

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<v Speaker 1>doing under the current CBA, like within the guidelines of

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<v Speaker 1>what they're allowed to do. Making this trade for Trek

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<v Speaker 1>School makes a ton of sense, right, I mean, all

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<v Speaker 1>of these moves, like even signing Kyle Tucker for that

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<v Speaker 1>outrageous amount of money. I know it hasn't worked out

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<v Speaker 1>for them, but it's it's just sort of like that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that they're able to do, and they have this

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<v Speaker 1>outrageous system right now that just allows them to basically

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<v Speaker 1>do whatever they would like. So I don't think this

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<v Speaker 1>is like the Dodgers are maliciously ruining baseball. This is

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<v Speaker 1>just like the Dodgers are really good at player development

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<v Speaker 1>and scouting and making trades, and when you combine that

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<v Speaker 1>with the limitless resources that they have, this is what

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<v Speaker 1>you get.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, look, I don't have a problem with

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that the Doctors heard an enormously successful business

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<v Speaker 2>operation under their current management. Kudos to them. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>they did. They pulled it off, and they worked within

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<v Speaker 2>the rules. I guarantee you I have a show that

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<v Speaker 2>I can never wear on this show that a few

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<v Speaker 2>people watching this show have seen me wear. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as competition and the team, I would say

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<v Speaker 2>that I lose my professionalism when it comes to the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 2>I get really kind of emotional and upset, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>their fans invade Chase Field and the way they behave

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, there's nothing gave me greater satisfaction than

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<v Speaker 2>watching what they were able to do in Dodger Stadium

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty three. So I don't want this to

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<v Speaker 2>come off the wrong way. But this isn't the Dodgers' fault.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a business entity operating within the rules. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>the evil Empire. They're doing what they're supposed to do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's the system and it's the structure

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<v Speaker 2>that needs to be fixed. And a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>the flip side of this, and I've we've had this

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<v Speaker 2>discussion with people like, you know, because what are you

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<v Speaker 2>talking about communism, socialism? Well, you know, baseball's always had

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of share going on, and the league is

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<v Speaker 2>only as strong as its weakest links. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to have a healthy league, you have to have a

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<v Speaker 2>team that has a decent level of parody and competition. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so they have to fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a good, a good case we made

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<v Speaker 1>that Major League Baseball does not have that right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does that look like in twenty twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>and beyond. We're going to find out. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be probably a mess over the next six months to

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<v Speaker 1>a year as we see those conversations play out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The trade deadline is now. I think we're into the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen hour range here, eighteen hours fifty four ish minutes

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<v Speaker 1>here during our Sunday night live show. We are excited

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<v Speaker 1>to see what the Diamondbacks ultimately do. We of course,

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<v Speaker 1>will be here to react as soon as we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Our scheduling tomorrow is a little bit in flux because

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<v Speaker 1>of some things we have going on, but we will

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<v Speaker 1>definitely hop on around the trade deadline itself, if not

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<v Speaker 1>before tomorrow, to talk about whatever the Diamondbacks are able

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<v Speaker 1>to do. We think there's gonna be something. No guarantees necessarily,

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<v Speaker 1>but seems likely the Diamondbacks will make at least one

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<v Speaker 1>trade between now and then. We're very grateful to all

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<v Speaker 1>of you for hanging out with us here on this

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday night. If you haven't already, you can find us

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter. I am at Jesse N. Friedman. Jack is

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<v Speaker 1>at Shoe Wizard fifty nine in our show is at

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<v Speaker 1>Snake's Territory. You can find Jack's written work over at

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona Diamondbacks on SI Jack any final thoughts here as

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<v Speaker 1>we continue the trade deadline countdown to three pm tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I really do appreciate so many people coming in and

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out with us and saying hello tonight. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that not everything I said struck the right chords with everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, everybody's opinion is correct on this right.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody's wrong, It's just opinions are like we all got.

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<v Speaker 1>One, well said, well said. Well, thank you again to

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<v Speaker 1>all of you for being with us. We really appreciate it,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll be back tomorrow sometime with another edition of

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<v Speaker 1>Snake's Territory