WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Watch Out for Watson 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:03.800 The following. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:05.800 He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:07.560 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.600 Cowboys. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:17.040 This he's Talking Cowboys Straining live from. 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:20.160 The Dallas Cowboys World Head Course at the Star in fris. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:30.640 Joe past twenty touchdown and now your hosts Isaiah Standback, 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:38.200 Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.080 It's a wonderful Wednesday edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.280 Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star in Frisco, Texas, 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.000 in the s WBC studios. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:49.440 As we welcome you and everybody. 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:51.839 We've got Chris Beam in the back punching the buttons, 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:55.800 making us happen having it on air every day. And 0:00:55.840 --> 0:01:00.360 we've got Pete and Papett, Patrick Nocy Walker, Pat Patrick Walker, 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:03.720 got Isaiah. 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.720 Stand Back, We've got Josh Rodriguez and Kylie Owmans. Glad 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:07.399 you're with us. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.400 Today is our Defensive Preview, as it is of course. 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.280 Week one of the NFL season. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.560 We're gonna talk about the Cowboys defense and what they 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:21.160 have going up against DeShawn Watson, the Nick Chubbliss Cleveland Browns, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:25.160 and uh one guy at receiver that we know pretty well. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.200 A little bit one kind of familiar. 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:29.479 We're gonna talk about all of that throughout the course 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.360 of the show. How's everybody doing today? Everybody good? 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.880 Fantastically, Yeah, excellent, feeling great, feeling re energized, even though 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:40.120 we just did nine podcasts yesterday, you know, to need see. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.240 And that's so we're pulling the curtain back a little 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:43.760 bit for Josh. 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.800 Josh starts today with us on our show and then 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.280 immediately hops into the podcast control room behind us with 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:56.880 Chris Beam and helps Beam produce post edit I mean, 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.920 literally every other podcast the rest of the day. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:04.320 So until people text tweet Derek and like where are 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.840 the podcasts at? It's like, oh, all nine of them? 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:07.960 Where from today? 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:09.880 Is my mixed shots today? 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:11.240 Exactly? 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.720 And then Derek, is there a reason? 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:18.320 Is there a reason why you see like pact, you 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.960 see Derek's contact on your phone pop up, and like 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.000 you have one ruins my new reactions. 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:24.400 You are the either like oh, I'm. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.160 Doing a great job because he'll call and he'll give 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.360 you props, like it will happen all the time, or 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.160 it's like, oh, yes, there's no am I getting called 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:34.040 to the principal's office. 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.120 That's what we always talk about. It's just pure stress. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.480 And I got in the middle of a movie yesterday 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.080 I got I got my Derek text in the middle 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.160 of watching a movie. I was at the theater and 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.160 I was like, oh, I can't focus on this anymore. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.000 A little bit of anxiety took over there. 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.959 For the rest of that movie, you were replaying from 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:51.800 his seat. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.320 Laptop like the movie. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.360 Like Wi Fi connections started to fade a little bit 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.120 because he had the hot spot up in the in 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:01.240 the theater projection. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.240 It's like, can you pause it for just one minute? 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:04.960 Just a minute, I promise, so it'll be okay. 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.600 Oh man, Well yeah, re energize is what it feels like. 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.440 Oh, it feels great, and back to it. I think 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:12.080 it's it's. 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.080 Even better once you get into a routine and you 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.000 get the same show every day. 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.359 We're here at nine am every day to break it 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:18.799 down for you. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:20.519 But before we get into our preview, let's go to 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.519 some news and notes with Patrick Nocy Walker. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.600 So yesterday was a couple of transactions one would well 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:31.760 both were were more or less expected. Obviously, Villiami Junior 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.840 for Hoko, former fourth round pick from last year. He 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:39.240 was officially released from the Cowboys. Initially during the roster cutdowns, 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.480 he was waived injured and it was an expectation that 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.880 that would result in an injury settlement, which is the 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.440 two side, which is exactly what the two sides came 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.880 to terms on. So Fajoko is a free agent and 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.839 the Cowboys made the official the release of David Dirt 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.400 and wide receiver. He is out as well. And we 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.640 didn't speak on this before now, but I want everyone 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.720 to know who may not know. Al Quadem Muhammad was 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.120 released late last week. If you remember, he did play 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.360 well in the preseason. He performed well and you know 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.200 once he was at it in camp, but also needed 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.800 to still serve that one game suspension which was coming 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.000 due week one. The Cowboys didn't need to carry him. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.000 He was on the suspended reserve list, but apparently they 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.919 chose to move on, which they are more within you know, 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:25.920 within the rights to do so. He is a free 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.400 agent as well. Al Kadem Muhammad is not going to 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.360 be on the Cowboys' depth chart. I like week two. Yeah, 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.919 AQM is what I called him. I liked the AQB. 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:35.800 We talked about that last week a little bit. Yeah, 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.000 he showed some promise. He showed promise. It is possible, 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.640 but it does. It is kind of a head scratcher 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.880 in the capacity of if you're wondering if they will 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.280 bring him back, which is possible, makes you wonder why 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.080 they release him in the first place when he was 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.280 not being a hit, When he wasn't a hit to 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.120 a roster seat at all. So they didn't have to 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.720 make a decision on him until after week one, but 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.680 they proactively made that decision. So something kind of went 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.360 a ride there, it feels like, but I don't have 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.000 all the details on it, so I won't speculate. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.200 Yeah, he was the response to the Sam Williams injury. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.880 If he was, he was in that Carl Lawson and 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:10.880 it was him AQ. 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.560 And Boston's on the practice squad, correct, right, So you 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.479 have one of those guys on the practice squad, you 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.080 wave Tony, Are there any. 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.120 Other practice spot positions open? 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.560 They're maxed, so they have the seventeen, which is the 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.159 sixteen plus you get the IPP exception for Denzel decks 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:29.440 and so they're maxed at seventeen. 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.159 Would you like to see aqm back? 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.160 He had flashes in the preseason, no doubt, but I 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.200 think they probably see more potential in Karl Lawson. 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.000 Yeah, you don't feel that way though. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.560 I definitely don't feel that way at all. I don't 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.800 think Carl Lawson he did not possess the juice that 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.080 I was looking for from that particular position. I think 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.200 he looks like a transformer, for sure. 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.599 He's yeah, he lives the all Hotel Lobby team. 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.200 It looks like a weight room monster. But from what 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.279 I saw, he didn't have more than one move. He 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.440 went upfield, got jammed up. He was either going to 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.159 get to the quarterback or not. He didn't give it 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.840 to the quarterback. He didn't seem like he had too 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.320 much agility and too many, too many other moves in 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:08.839 his bag. 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.560 And was that not being in shape for football season. 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:12.080 I don't know. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:13.960 I didn't see any change ups. I was watching them. 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:15.680 I was watching them because I was looking at those 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:16.880 two I like. 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:17.640 I like AQ. 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.080 I think he's one of the few true defensive ends 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.000 that the Cowboys had in camp this year. That's that's 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:28.120 just my opinion. I think Chauncey Golson is not a 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.120 true d N. I don't think Tyris and We. I 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.120 think Tyris we is kind. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.000 Of a tweener. Yeah, he's a tweener. 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:34.640 You know. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.320 Obviously you got Micah, obviously you have d Law. But 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.119 those are the only two that are like true dns. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.640 Marshaw Kneeland, everybody's talking about him, He's not a d 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.760 N to me. He doesn't possess what I considered to 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.839 be a d M. Maybe in this new Mike Zimmer system, 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.560 but when you're talking about, hey, I want you to 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.880 get the quarterback, it's not a guy that you're necessarily 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:52.440 gonna look at. 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.800 And that's where they're trying to unlock with Marshawn Naland 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.719 and speaking with Nland over the course of training camp. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.200 Obviously he knows the Cowboys. We know that one of 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:05.280 his green greenest of flags was his run defense at 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:09.640 the edge. So I think him hearing everyone praise that, 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.080 which is completely fine. He feels like not enough people 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:14.920 are talking about his ability to rush the passer. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:16.520 So there are more than on more than. 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:20.040 One occasion when Kneeland proactively brought up how he was 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.280 working on unlocking that pass rush ability completely. So to 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.200 your point, maybe in Zimmer system and working with coach 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.200 z and Greg Ellis, maybe they'll be able to unlock 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.480 that as the season goes on. But I will say 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.680 Nieland did show some good penetration into the opposing pocket 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.040 over the course of the preseason during his snap, So 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.160 there's some progression there. But let's see, like Isaia said, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.400 let's see if it gets completely unlocked as early as 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.040 this year, because they needed as early as this year 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:44.600 with Sam out. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.400 Yeah, because you need a guy that's going to stop 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.680 the run and set the edge, and he's the leader. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.760 Contained is the big thing. I mean, just keep it 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.200 inside the tackles and you have a mobile quarterback coming. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.240 You've got a couple of special teams too. 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:58.720 They're gonna have these guys on the depth chart and 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:00.880 they have to be versatile on your on your teams. 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:02.560 Yeah, I don't know if you're going to see Marshaun 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.240 Eves run down the field at six four to two specialty. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:07.440 Yeah, exactly. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.680 And both those guys play heavy to me, you know 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.360 what I mean, like they play heavy absolutely? 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.520 Yeah, absolutely, I do agree. 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.880 Well, long linky athletic. He mean, if you're going to 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.000 drop an athlete, that's what you draw up right there. 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:21.960 Well, when we talked about this too, But if that's 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:22.720 a conversation. 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.920 You don't think John Fossil said or looked at the 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:30.240 list and said, Okay, John, uh, you've got Carl Lawson, 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.520 you've got a QM. Make your decision. Whoever's whoever you 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:34.720 want will be on the practice. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.880 I don't think that was his decision. Yeah, if he 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.440 came down to that, I don't believe that that was 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.760 his decision. I think if he did have an opportunity 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.240 to put his finger on somebody, it was Tyros Whet. 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.800 I was about to say, I think it was a dialogue. 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:46.839 And if that were the case, and he was saying 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.160 he being bones Fossil, he was saying, Hey, I want 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:53.439 a QM over Carl Lawson for special teams purposes. They 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.840 probably rebutted and said, we'll give you a Tyros Wheat 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.160 if you give Mike zimmer Carlawston. So I'm I mean, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.480 it's always an open dialogue when you're talking about roster goods. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.480 So, yeah, you gotta play the game. You gotta play 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.680 the game. It's it's not easy to do. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.960 But again, going back, but going back to this conversation 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:14.080 we had yesterday, this is not a d N featured defense, no, 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.760 correct So as much as we're inside as we're used 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.600 to these great defensive ends for the Dallas Cowboys over 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.079 the years, and there still is one obviously in the room, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:24.920 and Michael parsons that he will be utilized and he 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:30.200 will eat as usual. That's not the feature of this defense, 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.240 and obviously we'll get into it today. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.040 These linebackers are the stars of the show. Is the 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:36.800 stars of the show. 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.480 Any other news in those that come to mind, No, 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.600 unless I'm missing one, I don't think so. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.440 No, yesterday, because they didn't practice yesterday. 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.120 So using that as a segue to today, the Cowboys 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.760 will return to practice. Today will be and this is 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:53.200 how we know we're back, baby. 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:53.959 Today will be. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:59.960 The first official practice report. We get practice reports effective today, 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.560 so we will get an official tracker for what's going 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.720 on with whoever is dealing with any type of ailment. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:08.920 But as it stands. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.280 Now, way too much panic Wednesday, of course, absolute. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.319 You're going to see like Brandon Cooks probably limited and 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.320 people I thought Brandon Cooks, he's fine. 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.760 Marsh On Nealand's gonna have like a toe, he's fine. 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.040 Who yeah, get ready for that. 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.000 But cowboys return to practice today, and they're really going 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.320 to start ratcheting things up over the next three days, 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.640 three to four days to get ready for that trip 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.240 to Cleveland in because there's a lot that awaits them. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.280 Yes, at Cleveland Brown Stadium, Yes there is. 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.280 Would you ever be the Bill Belichick of practice reports 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:38.920 and just put. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:44.320 Everybody on there. I'm not disclosing anything that actually need. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.040 Needs to be out there, but that that's how you 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.160 do it. You muddy the water. You put every single name. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.960 Josh has a shoulder, You've got a hip, You've got 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.080 an ankle, I've got need. Yeah, whatever, it ends up 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.079 being for people that have them. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.040 But he has an ear, he has one, Yeah, he got. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:05.840 He's got your playing head, shoulders. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.840 He lost, he lost. It's in his eye. Something's in 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.880 his eyes. He made a wish. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.400 All right, let's get into that defensive preview, because, like 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:15.600 you said, Cleveland has. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:16.680 A lot to look for. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.760 Before we get into that, too, we got to look 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.800 at who's gonna play defense. Because the defensive depth chart 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.960 was released for the first time, the unofficial depth chart. 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:29.480 I'm gonna read off the starters here. 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.319 Stop me if there's any shockers, right, these are starters, 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:34.040 starters only. 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.560 DeMarcus Lawrence Michaeh. Parsons. Nothing right there yet. 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.160 I'm gonna skip a name for a second os Di Gizua, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:45.120 Damone Clark, Eric Kendricks, Maris Lea Foul, Trayvon Diggs, Cayln Carson, 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.600 Jordan Lewis, Donovan Wilson, Malie Cooker. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.520 And the name I skipped was Mazzi Smith. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.560 Any shockers, any surprises, not even the last name. 0:11:54.920 --> 0:12:01.760 I think people might be shocked to see of overshown. However, 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.559 they've been listen listing Lea Foul over overshown since training camp, 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:07.800 since the first unofficial training camp. 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.600 That hence my no. Yeah, yeah, so it's. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.360 No surprise to us, but it maybe people at home 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:13.319 might be surprised. 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.120 To see it, and they have been just based on 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.599 the responses that I've been getting. There's another name, offensively 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.040 as a starter that has people up in arms, who 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.000 will talk about that another time. But as far as Lea, 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.120 the Lea Foul Overshown dynamic, I mean to me, it 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.800 doesn't matter which one of those two guys you list 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.960 on paper as the starter. They're both going to play 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.640 rotationally and get a healthy amount of snaps. And also 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.920 keep in mind that Lea foul is versatile, so he'll 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.080 play Mike Sam and will and in those situations where 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.080 he's you know, playing in a different spot, then overshown 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:46.880 you will see them in sets where both of them 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.840 on the field at the same time. So again the 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.480 answer is no for me because I have an expectation 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.559 for how Mike Zimmer is going to use those two guys, 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.400 and it's going to be quite a bit. So who 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:01.160 the starter is is a non is a non starter 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:02.200 for this conversation. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.800 You said a healthy amount of snaps for both of 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.199 those guys, What would that be like thirty five forty? 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.240 Yeah, give or take? Then that, yeah, give her a take, give. 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.240 It because what do we think in probably like eighty 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.520 to ninety defensive snaps total? 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.520 Right, do you. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.480 Think it'll be eighty snaps or I think it's more 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.400 of a situation. What eighty snaps as a defense? Yeah, 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.800 I mean Cleveland likes to get up and go No. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.320 Sixty they also position to be sixty five. 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.120 Yeah, Cleveland, along with the Cowboys, they were one of 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.080 the best in the league at time of possession as well. 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.520 So that they're gonna run the balls, I mean they're 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:37.199 going to run the ball. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.400 There will be a lot of defensive reps for the 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.640 Cowboys in this game to come up because unless the 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.560 Cowboys can get off the field consistently on thirty third down, yeah, 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:46.920 those No. 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.439 Let's say let's say max of seventy. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:54.079 If they're seventy set snaps max, would you say thirty 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:55.880 for lea foul, thirty. 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.720 For overshown, and then mix in another ten somewhere else. 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:04.240 I think this particular game looking at skill set, and 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.960 I know Lea File has a lot of speed, but 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.880 overshown go back and look at his Longhorns tape. This 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:14.520 dude is designed to get after mobile quarterbacks, right, so 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.920 when you're going against a guy like Deshaun Watson, I 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.480 feel like this is a game that would tilt slightly 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:23.240 toward Overshown having a higher snap count before it's all 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:24.920 said and done than Lea File. Now that again, that 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.400 does not to say Lea File is going to be 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.480 playing the bench, because he's not, because his speed is 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.640 going to be needed as well. But I do see 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.400 this as more more of an overshown game than Lea 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.440 fel I'm not sure I think they I don't think 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.000 they know. I don't think it is Week one. This 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.600 week one, don't and neither is played in this game. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.760 We'll get into the details, I'm sure, but it's gonna 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.960 be whoever's the most physical this game. Whoever's most physical 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.560 is gonna be the one who gets regards to who 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.080 gets to start. Whoever's the most physical. 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.200 Physical just right now, based on college to see it, 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:57.720 I'm not going out of college. 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.000 Okay, what about when he's gone? 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:04.080 When these offensive guards can they pull guards all day long? 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.760 Three hundred and ten pounds comes around the corner and 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:08.080 comes up to the second level. 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.240 Who's gonna come meet them? Overshowing did put on some more? 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.800 Who's gonna come meet them? Put on? That reason? 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.360 I want to see it for that reason. I want 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.000 to see who's gonna come down here. So that's that's 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.480 what's gonna determine it. Because if you're you're just scraping 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.200 across the across the formation, you're gonna get thrown out the. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:29.200 Club Jasey Jeff style. Yeah, fair enough, I like it. 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:30.040 I do so. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:34.720 Official or unofficial depth chart released for the Cowboys going 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.160 into their Week one matchup. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.760 We'll talk more about the offensive. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:42.880 Depth chart tomorrow and our offensive preview can't wait. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.360 I did have one surprise though that you did. You 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.440 didn't mention as far as starters go, Uh, Israel mccuamo, he. 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:49.440 Was moved back to cornerback. 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:50.160 Did you guys see that. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.560 I caught that? Oh in terms of non starters, Yeah, yeah, I. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:58.360 Like to see that, albeit an unofficial, unofficial, unofficial, unofficial, Right, 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.920 you gotta keep saying that I'll be an official depth charge. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:05.240 I do love seeing that they're closer to making official 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.600 what we've seen throughout the course of training camp, which 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.520 was Israel Mukalma was getting a ton of snaps at 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:14.880 the cornerback positions at nickel corner seen throughout his professional 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.120 career whenever he wasn't as good at safety as he 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:21.040 has been. We have been pleading for is he to 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.240 be moved back to corner, which is where he thrived 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:25.120 at South Carolina. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:30.280 Yeah? Are you making that face? No reason we light 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.680 at corner. We are light at corner. He's helping man. Listen. 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.080 I saw all I needed to see. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.720 I mean, if you all you really need him to 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.560 do in this defense is especially when you're playing zone, 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.120 because that's what that's why it's a benefit for him 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.840 in this defense to play corner because if you guys 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.760 go back and look at let's not even look at that. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.560 Let's just keep it in the cowboys when you're as 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.480 long and lanky as he is. And if you're Coach Zimmer, 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.240 you're asking him if you're playing a cover too, or 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.080 you're playing a cover two trap, or you're playing any 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.640 kind of cloud three or anything like that where he's 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.280 responsible for an area. He's not responsible for a man, 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.440 but he's responsible just for a space. Go go gadget 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.280 is who you want out there, because all you're telling 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.359 him to do is, hey, go disrupt him off the 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.000 line of scrimmage. Right, I'm not worried about you getting 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.280 beat because we have help over the top. So go 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.520 be aggressive, disrupt him with your size, and then fall 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.960 back into your zone and let those guys go hunt up. 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:26.560 Front and do what you can do at that point. 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:27.639 And the ball, if the ball. 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.520 Comes to your area, go go power rangers, go up 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.200 there and get that thing and bring it back down. 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.919 So you're not asking him to have the same responsibilities 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.000 that a dan Quinn did because you're not asking to 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:37.640 play man. 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.320 Right, agree and is mkwamou is basically mister fantastic with 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:42.879 the Marvel reference. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:43.080 There you. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.160 Fantastic full reference. But the difference is in having him 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.480 in rotation with the guy like Jordan Lewis. Is that 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:54.600 like Isaiah saying is he is excels with his size 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.320 and his length as a zone cover guy, where Jordan 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.600 is excels as a man cover guy. So being able 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.919 to rotate those two guys in knowing that you have 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:05.320 an elite zone guy an elite cover guy only works 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:06.439 in the favor of Mike Zimmer. 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:07.680 I like it. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.120 I've always wanted Isy to go back and go back 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.960 to corner. His tape at South Carolina was always impressive. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.800 They I get it. I get the experiment, but it 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:17.960 was an experiment for a year moving back the corner, 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:19.720 see what happens, and then if. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.120 His career takes off and takes off. 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.400 He's on the fifty three man roster at this point, 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:24.639 which is saying something. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.120 He's tall. I don't think people understand how tall. 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:28.280 I mean. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.159 They listen man six four yeah, and he might be 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.760 six half. He is an absolute dog. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.640 He will get in the mind of the of the 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.480 route receiver or whoever the target might be. He's going 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.640 to talk his talk, and more often than not, he's 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:43.480 going to back it up. And you talk about physicality, 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.520 he's not just this long, lanky guy. He loves to 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:48.400 hit as much as he loves to cover. He loves 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.120 to make his presence felt. And then when you're getting up, 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.159 when you're looking up at him, he's talking to you 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.760 the whole time. So I said before roster cut downs 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:58.639 and got the receipt out there on Twitter, I say, 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.560 you have to find a way to keep Israel Mukuamu 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.600 on this roster. And they found a way. So kudos 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.320 to them and moved him back to corner, which is fantastic. 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.240 And again they've put him back on the fifty three 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:11.399 man active roster. 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.879 He should play game days. He should be conversation game days. 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:19.880 The one thing, too, is they just cut a fourth 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.960 round pick from from more recent draft, from a more 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:25.919 recent draft than what they had with. 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:31.800 Eric sixth round Villiami Fojoko fourth round. They like is 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.199 he mcguamoo enough to keep him around? That's there is 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.920 a point being made by him being on the roster, 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.080 and I love it. I love it too. All right. 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.440 When we come back here on talking Cowboys, time to 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.440 dive deep into the Cleveland Browns. What do they bring offensively, 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:49.800 what will challenge this Cowboys defense? 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I think I think 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:53.840 we're trying to get right. 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:59.560 Oh right, it happens when you go command Hey, watch 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:05.920 your phone, watch the phone, Derek's contacts. Good off, jeez, 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.719 this is ridiculous, guys, it's ridiculous. 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:12.479 This is ridiculous. Welcome. 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:15.960 By the way, if you have your phone out, you 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:16.560 can scan. 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:20.959 The QR code and get some quick quake arc qu 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:24.880 it's on that side. 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:28.800 It's over there, to isaiahs Tanback's head. Yeah, it's right 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:31.160 next to the other side on that side. 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:36.399 It's right there actually, So you didn't just start pointing 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:37.080 there every time. 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:37.840 All right? Thanks? 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:40.360 All right, Let's take a look at the Brown's offense. 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:42.760 And I'm not gonna lie to you, guys. They don't 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:45.960 scare me. They do not scare me. The Browns offensively 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:49.480 last year. Here's some of their totals. Uh total yardage 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.520 sixteenth in the league. Scoring, they were tied for tenth, 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:58.360 so not too bad, rushing twelfth, passing nineteenth. They were 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:01.880 the twenty ninth ranked team on third down, bottom five 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:04.679 in the league in terms of third down efficiency, and 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:06.159 they allowed the twenty. 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:08.880 First most I guess what would that be? 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.120 They were twenty first in sacks allowed, so they gave 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.840 up top would would that be twelve? Top twelve amount 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.120 of sacks in the league last year as an offensive line, 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:22.760 So when you look at the offense, I'm not necessarily worried. 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:24.720 Twenty eighth in yards per play. 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.040 If I had one thing that I think this Cowboys 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:30.639 defense would struggle against it be the run game. Well, 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:33.600 they don't have any Nick Chubb to hand the football 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:35.199 off to, do you feel like? 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:38.920 And That's where I'm headed. You think Jerome. 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:43.840 Ford is a capable ball carrier enough to challenge the Cowboys' 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:45.560 new look run defense. 0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:50.200 Ball carrier is interesting because all purpose, he had eleven 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:53.280 hundred yards last season and nine point scores. I think 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:54.879 we get burnt all the time when it comes to 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:59.000 receiving running backs. It gives me a PTSD of Aaron Jones. 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.760 But I mean even back to darren Sprolls, you know 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:06.000 what I mean, Like, anytime there's a shifty running back 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:09.800 like that, they kill us. They kill us. So I'm 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.960 concerned about that. But also they also brought in Deontay 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:17.480 Foreman in uh in the backfield, six foot two hundred 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.439 and thirty five pound running back from Chicago who only 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:23.000 averaged four point two yards per carry last season. 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:26.040 Yeah, uh guy, I wanted on the practice squad. 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:29.639 Exactly, big dude, big dude. So I think the easiest 0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.399 fix here is just don't let them get into the 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:34.239 rin zone. You know what I mean, Just don't do it. 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:37.159 How's that sound? Easy fix? Right? Yeah? 0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:42.480 Easy, easy peasy Litman squeezy, you don't have Nick Chubb. 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:46.240 So there's a massive drop off there. That being said, 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:49.680 as the Dallas Cowboys defense, you don't have the freaking 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:54.000 luxury to overlook say you don't have the luxury to 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.320 overlook a running back. You don't have the luxury to 0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.200 look at Jerome Ford and say, oh well, he's not 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.439 Nick Chubb or Deontae Foreman say oh well he's you know, 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:03.760 he's not what he would You don't have the luxury. 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:05.520 You need to go out there and act as if 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:09.800 you're playing defense against Nick Chubb because until further notice, 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.520 there's a huge question mark slapped right in the middle 0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:15.680 of your defensive line and even the linebackers until we 0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.920 see these games wondering if Mike Zimmer's defense is going 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:26.359 to rapidly or rapidly both actually increase the amount ar 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:29.600 should said that decrease the production from opposing running defense. So, 0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:31.440 Jerome Ford, this is a guy, like you said, eleven 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.880 hundred plus all purpose yards, nine all purpose touchdowns, eight 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:37.919 hundred and thirteen yards, and four rushing touchdowns on the ground, 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:40.920 so he can be effective. So don't go in there, 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.080 don't go in to Cleveland thinking, you know, you're not 0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:46.200 seeing Nick Chubb, so you take a take a breath, 0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:48.640 don't hold that breath, and go do your damn job, 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.720 because these two guys they can get the job done. 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:53.439 And you got to flip that time of posiession. You 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:56.560 cannot let Cleveland on the time of possession, especially in 0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.639 their stadium. That doesn't bote well when you also have 0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:00.880 to con in with the receivers. 0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:02.840 I call it taking the air out of the football. Yeah, 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:05.760 I mean, you just you don't. You don't. It's almost 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:08.320 like trying to just play keep away. You don't want to. 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:09.760 You want to, don't want to let. 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.919 The other team play the game that they love, especially 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:13.560 the number one offense in the league. 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.320 Absolutely, and they're gonna do everything they can. 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:18.040 They don't care about that. I mentioned twenty ninth in 0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:20.720 yards per play or twenty eighth in yards per play 0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:21.240 last year. 0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:23.280 They could not care less. 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.000 They will be okay with two and a half yards, 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.119 three yards, and then they get a first down two 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:30.160 and a half three yards, Then they get a second 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.200 first down right, and then they keep going down the field. 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:35.679 Te position is marching offender exactly. It's another defender and 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:37.040 it could play a factor. 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.159 They do have some weaponry on the outside, but I 0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:42.480 mentioned Amari Cooper. They traded for Jerry Judy, which I 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:46.320 think is a significant underrated move this offseason across the 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:49.720 AFC in general, not just the Cowboys or not just 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:50.240 the Browns. 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:52.879 Uh Yeah, I like what I'm bliged j Moore can do. 0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.480 Yeah, I mean weaponry on the outside, running game as 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:58.640 a whole, Isaiah when you look at this team from 0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.520 a film standpoint, And by the way, new offensive coordinator 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:05.639 Ken Dorsey is now the OC with Cleveland. Which side 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.000 of it worries you more? The Russian game or the 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:08.600 passing game? 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:12.520 Russian game? Yeah, still rushing game, I don't And. 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:13.840 Is that more for the Cowboys? 0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:14.960 Are more for what. 0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:18.439 They Why would you not attack the Cowboys ability to 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:22.960 defend the run until further notice, you're one of as Cleveland. Okay, 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.560 we're not obviously new OC, New Year all that jazz. 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.199 Historically speaking, when you play the Cleveland Browns, you know 0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:31.159 that you have to be able to defend against what 0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:37.840 the run. The run it was, but I think it's yes, 0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:39.760 and Nick Chubb is a very talented running back, but 0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.680 I think this game is less about the running back 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:47.160 and more about the offensive line. The offensive line of Cleveland, 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:50.760 to me, is a solid unit. Those guys work really 0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.920 well together. They move all the time in terms of 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:58.640 pulling guards, pulling tackles. You just if you gonna say this, 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:05.800 the Alas Cowboys feature of the defense is what position linebackers? Right, 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:11.320 that's feature right now, feature position. Yes, the feature position 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:12.160 is linebacker. 0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:13.760 Okay, that's vast different. 0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:17.840 Yeah in January, right, it tast historically obviously we have 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:19.720 to we have to wait and see, right, But historically 0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:22.560 the Cleveland Browns have done a lot of counters, a 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:26.200 lot of counters. For those that don't understand your misdirection counters. Okay, 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:27.360 that means pulling guards. 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:28.160 You're going like. 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:29.800 You're handing the ball off one way, you let the 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:31.560 guard go to the opposite direction. You can hand the ball 0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:33.880 off to running back going right behind that big man. 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:38.760 And if your linebackers are not aggressive and decisive, there 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:40.880 will be a three hundred plus pound man who loves 0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.360 to put guys into the ground and eat pancakes. He 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.000 will be on your two hundred and thirty pounds linebacker 0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:50.600 to fifteen twenty with luifowl right in a heartbeat. So 0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:54.760 these linebackers have to shoot the gaps. Trust their eyes right, 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:57.560 So Kendricks luifoul all these guys you have, when you 0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:00.680 see it, you see a whole go Oh. The other 0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.240 person in this defense that has to win every single 0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:04.840 time is the one technique. 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:05.200 Yep. 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.480 If the one technique does not control the center, you're 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:13.400 in trouble. If you don't win that matchup, you're in trouble. 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:16.760 If you get moved the one direction and you allow 0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.360 for him to get his hip turned and get you 0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.480 shifted one direction, you were opening up the red sea. 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:24.360 And now you're putting so much pressure on your linebackers. 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.640 But if you can get even a stalemate at that 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:30.920 position and don't allow that center to be able to 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.920 work up to the next level, and you when that guard, 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.120 right guard or left guard decides to vacate their space 0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:39.360 and that linebacker shoots the hole, you can get these 0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.160 guys down in the backfield. Reason being, if you don't 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.320 do that, then yeah, it's not Chubb in the backfield, 0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:47.320 but it is a forward in the backfield, and we 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:49.320 know that forwards are built for it tough. 0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:51.800 If these guys and these guys, this. 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.280 Dude run he was clocked at twenty one miles pour 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:54.800 last year. 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.000 So that's like, Isaiah, standbackfast. No, I'm twenty two. 0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:02.040 But but if you on but if you allow for 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:06.200 these guards again, understand this conceptually, guard leaves pools gets 0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:08.360 up to the second level. If your linebackers don't shoot 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:10.440 the gap and stop this thing in the backfield, if 0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:12.600 your one technique doesn't push the guy back or still 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:14.960 make the center, then all of a sudden, he's getting 0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:16.880 out to the edge. That's running back and there referring 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:18.640 to and you have a running back who runs twenty 0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:20.400 one miles per hour, he gets out on the edge. 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:21.680 Now you're in trouble. 0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:24.280 Now you're asking Trayvon to go up and come up 0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.200 and make big hits. Now you're asking your defensive backs 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.320 to come up there and make plays on guys that 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:30.920 they really shouldn't have to be worried about. 0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:31.840 But you know what that does. 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.239 Then that sets up the play action deepot, that's what 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:35.960 it does, because now your corner has to worry about 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:37.640 playing with his eyes in the backfield. 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:39.360 And that's a recipe for disaster. 0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.320 And Isaiah makes all the great points, and I want 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.320 to point at something that Mary s Leafoul told us 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.960 after Monday's practice that stuck out to me. I asked 0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.280 him specifically, I said, what is Mike Zimmer's message to 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.520 the rookie linebackers going into their first game? 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:54.160 Overshown? 0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:56.800 And because overshown is the fact over rookie and Lea 0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:00.000 foul as well, and Lea Foule's quote was he told 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:01.960 us to just cut it loose and let me do 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:02.480 the thinking. 0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:03.080 End quote. 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.680 So to Isaiah's point that if that works out as 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.720 we hope it does, that is the instinctual play of 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:11.800 the linebackers, just telling them, hey, this is your assignment. 0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.480 Now go play football and don't overthink it. But this 0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:15.160 is going to be. 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:20.520 A massive test for Mazzi Smith and the rebuilt interior 0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:21.560 defensive line. 0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:22.920 So even even if you're. 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:24.600 The jury is out and jury is out on Mazzi 0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:27.320 Smith right now until further notice. But as the jury 0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.040 is out on Mazzi Smith, it's going to be a 0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:32.360 test for Mazi and lin Vall, the new dedition, Linval 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.320 Joseph and oh so we know Os is gonna cook. 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.920 Os is gonna cook. No question marks on Oaks side. 0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:41.360 Jordan Phillips, he flashed early in preseason, as early as 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.800 his first preseason game with no practice. 0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:44.040 Right. 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:47.200 So Jordan Phillips olso Diggi zuwell, who we know is 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.959 gonna cook Mazi and then the newest edition Linval Joseph. 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:53.000 Those four guys up front in those trenches, if they 0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:56.080 can wall that off, force the runs to the outside 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:58.760 and the linebackers are in fact being cut loose and 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:01.560 playing instinctual for the ball. Now you're going to force 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:05.720 not only Deshaun Watson into abandoning the run. Now you're 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.680 going to force them, the Cleveland Browns into playing your game. 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.320 You want them to drop back forty times and throw 0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:13.400 the ball. That's what you want. They're going to test 0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:14.240 Kayln Carson. 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.400 They are, but I tell you what, if you target 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.000 him ten times, one of those is going to be 0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:19.640 an interception. 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.719 Right, So you want them getting one dimensional. 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.520 And they haven't been one dimensional, or at least, let 0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.080 me say it this way, teams under Ken Dorsey have 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.680 not been one dimensional whenever it comes to their quarterbacks. 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.040 He's had some pretty good success with quarterbacks. 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Ken Dorsey a 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:19.040 new offensive coordinator for the Browns this season. He was 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:21.799 the Bills offensive coordinator from twenty twenty two to twenty 0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:25.000 twenty three, and previous to that, from twenty thirteen to 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:29.320 twenty seventeen, he was the quarterback coach for Cam Newton 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:33.320 in Carolina. Through his time in both of those places, 0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.840 Allen led the NFL with two hundred and three offensive 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:40.120 touchdowns since twenty nineteen. Newton had over one hundred and 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:43.200 fifty offensive touchdowns in that same span. Twenty thirteen to 0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:46.080 twenty seventeen, which was fourth in the NFL, and of 0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:49.160 course he won his MVP award in twenty fifteen, So 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:51.799 right now one of the best quarterbacks in the league 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:56.839 influenced by Ken Dorsey back then an MVP of top 0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.640 notch player coached up by Ken Dorsey. 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.040 Deshaun Watson was one of the worst quarterbacks. 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:06.480 In football last year and it's statistically proven since twenty 0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:10.520 twenty two. Forty first out of quarterbacks, forty first in 0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:13.600 completion percentage, thirty eighth in passing guards per game, thirty 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:16.840 sixth in passing attempts. His touchdown the interception ratio was 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:18.000 fourteen to nine. 0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:23.920 It was not good. Oh, brother, brother guy thinks. 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:27.480 But can can Ken Dorsey change that? 0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:27.960 Isaiah? 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:30.879 So from your experience from a quarterback coach, Oh see, 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.319 whatever it may be, No, you cannot fix it. 0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:36.120 No, not him. Why is that he lost his velocity? 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.960 Deshaun Watson does not no longer from what I've seen 0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:42.719 on film, no longer possesses the ability to put any 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.919 zip on the ball. The interceptions that he had last 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:49.239 year were because not only just bad decisions, but the 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:53.640 ball wasn't going to get there, just flat out now. 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:57.279 Were you seeing that before or during his battle with 0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.920 the shoulder issue that eventually landed him out. Do you 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:02.160 think that's a remnant of what he was dealing with 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.000 last year? And maybe I could come back this year. 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:05.239 I don't know. 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.520 We'll see, we'll see, but from what I've seen, they 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:11.440 just not there, you know what I mean. And it 0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:13.120 might be one of the reasons why Mary Cooper wanted 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:13.920 to get out of there. 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:18.040 While they were talking trade with possible San Francisco, and. 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:19.920 When Brandon you had an opportunity to leave, he was like, 0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:23.640 not there. Yeah, going right. So I mean there's there's reasons. 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:25.759 You know, there's underlying factors as to why guys don't 0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:28.560 want to go places, and you know, that seemed to 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:29.919 be one as I watched the film. 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:31.719 So it's just I don't think. 0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:33.080 That they're going to be I think they're going to 0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:35.279 attempt to put the ball down the field. I think 0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:37.640 he's definitely Condors is definitely going to try to do 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.040 have the same success that he's had in the past, because. 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:44.399 I hope they do safety. But in order in order to. 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.799 Do that right, in order to do that, he's going 0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:49.520 to pay homage to what the Browns have been. He's 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.600 going to do that, right, Let's hand the ball off, 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:53.640 Let's run the rock. That's you know what, this is what, 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:55.799 this is what you guys, your your identity has been 0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:58.320 for years. Let's continue to do that. But if Dallas 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:01.520 can show some resilience there. It's kind of like the 0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:04.480 old killing Moore. M right, killing Moore is like, well, 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.359 run the ball. I really don't want to. 0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:10.640 He even said, oh it's not ready, Oh it's not working. Great. 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:12.200 Just throw the ball forty five fifty times a game. 0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:15.560 Fantastic, And I hope that mister Dorsey decides to do that. 0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:19.960 But Dallas has to make him do that. So I say, 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:22.759 take the run away, get him to do what he 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.200 wants to do anyway, which is throw the ball around, 0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:28.280 and then make him pay for it because their quarterback 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:30.440 cannot pass the ball the way he wants the way 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:31.240 he wants. 0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.560 To did to answer your question, I don't know that. 0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:35.279 I mean there's a lot of health issues when it 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.200 comes to Shaun Watson. He hasn't had a healthy season 0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:41.560 sure so far with the Browns personal issues. Also aside 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:43.319 that that was a he's a meme. 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:43.880 Now you know what? 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.920 I mean, I think that that's kind of created the 0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:48.799 narrative that he's like not as good as he was 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:52.360 with the Texans, which is understandable. But we kind of 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:53.799 saw a glimpse of postseason. 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:59.000 But Isaiah's off camera, it's okay. 0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:02.160 Fair enough, fair enough. We saw a glimpse of twenty 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:07.440 twenty postseason Deshaun Watson last year in the comeback against 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:07.960 the Ravens. 0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:09.440 I feel like we saw that. 0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:11.000 I think it was the fourth quarter, or maybe it 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:13.560 was that second half totally where he had fourteen He 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:16.120 went fourteen for fourteen, came back and beat the Ravens 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.719 last year. That to me was an indication where he's 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:24.319 probably not done being Deshaun Watson. But I think, like 0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:26.840 you said, does it carry over to an entire season. 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:30.880 Probably not. But Ken Dorsey, I don't know if you mentioned, 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:32.440 but he was fired last season. 0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:33.719 For a five ten Yeah. 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:35.319 Yeah, with the Bills, so. 0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:37.960 They were still eighth in like yards per game and 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.400 yards per play, like they were still like a decent 0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:43.440 level offense. When he got fired last year, it was 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:44.600 kind of a weird firing. 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.360 Kevin Morgan let go here or not re signed and 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:48.520 he had at the top of the league top. 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:49.359 Yeah, it's true. 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:51.960 Yeah, a lot of times, it's fit more than anything. 0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:52.920 Yeah, points per game. 0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:54.960 From weeks one to ten and twenty twenty three they 0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:56.920 were eighth, the Bills were, So it's. 0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:59.239 Like, who knows, who knows. I think it's kind of 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.359 up in the air with Watson how he handles it 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:03.680 going forward. You know, it's probably a mental game at 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.520 this point. But again, if he's not throwing any zip 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.480 on the ball, then that's also physical as well. 0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:10.080 For me, it's a couple of things. 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:14.560 Number One, I look at it as the same way 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:16.600 I look at the run attack or the run defense. 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:17.319 Cowboys don't have. 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:21.680 The luxury of assuming that Deshaun Watson is not peak 0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:25.200 Houston Texans. Deshaun Watson, you don't have the luxury. Jordan 0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:29.400 Love walked in and yeah did Right, don't even have 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:31.480 to relive it because you know you were there. So 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:35.879 this is the first game after that game. You need 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:37.920 to go in there. You need to show Deshaun Watson 0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:39.319 that you know what time it is. 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.759 Right. But I also add that I kind of touched 0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:43.720 on it. Deshaun Watson. 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:45.680 He ended up on IR last year because of the 0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:48.080 shoulder issue, right, so this is his first game back, 0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:51.960 there might be some rust. Okay, So yes, the Cowboys 0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:57.040 have youth on their defense, linebackers, secondary, But Deshaun Watson. 0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:58.840 He's going to need to get thumped. 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:01.399 He's going to need to, you know, make a couple 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.719 of completions before his confidence gets where it needs to 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:05.759 get preaches and reps right. You need to make sure 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:09.680 that his first three or four attempts are incomplete, which 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.960 then gets him overthinking and he's trying to overprocess. And 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:17.120 now going against Mike Zimmer, a cerebral matchup. Now that 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:20.080 tends to go to Mike Zimmer, but there is something 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.439 about his mobility, Deshaun Watson that I wanted to point 0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.680 out because obviously, when you have a mobile quarterback, if 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:27.839 you don't contain and you allow them to get out, 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.640 now you extend coverage windows. And now your secondary that 0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:33.360 you're so confident in now has to cover longer. And 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:37.959 you're covering longer against Samari Cooper, arguably still your best 0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:40.920 route runner in the league, Jerry Judy, you're covering against 0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:43.719 Elijah More for a longer periods of time. Now the 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:47.279 stale starts to slide back towards Cleveland as far as 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:51.120 offensive production is concerned. But I asked both leave Foul 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:55.040 and Overshown specifically, how are they looking to handle the 0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.680 mobility of Deshaun Watson. I'll give you a quick answer 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:01.200 for both of them. Live Foule said, It's always a 0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:04.080 challenge because there are threat to you in so many ways. 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:06.640 We were just preparing for that and keeping that in 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:08.680 mind this week. But it's what Overshown said that really 0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.600 stood out to me. He said, We've definitely got some 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:14.319 stuff cooked up for those situations. And that's one of 0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:17.719 my specialties is getting after quarterbacks who like to leave 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:22.600 the pocket. I'm looking forward to that. To Marveon, Overshown 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:27.319 wants smoke. Okay, yes, and when you go back, and 0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:31.040 I know we're talking college tape versus NFL tape, but 0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.440 if you get a situation where there's not that three 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.879 hundred and fifteen guy, a pound guy who can get 0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:39.440 a hand on to Marrio on Overshown, if Demo sees 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:43.759 Watson exiting that pocket, his lights are gonna come on. 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:44.880 He wants that. 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:46.880 And you have the speed of Overshown, you have the 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.280 speed of Leophile, you even have the speed of Eric Kendricks. 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.960 I remember one particular play. This was the scrimmage against 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:55.160 the Los Angeles Perhabs. I know exactly where Eric Hendricks 0:43:55.440 --> 0:44:00.000 absolutely teleported from the mic to that edge. 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:05.040 And so you have like a knife through. 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:08.200 You have so much speed at the linebacker position. That 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.000 will help you contain a mobile quarterback like Deshaun Watson. 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:13.120 Now you keep him in the pocket. And the more 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:14.719 you keep him in the pocket, and if you can 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:20.560 nullify that run game DeMarcus Lawrence, Michael Parsons, they're coming, 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:22.919 Marshaw Kneeland, hopefully he gets involved in that as well. 0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:23.959 That's what you want to see. 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.480 And those coverage windows get you know, made smaller and 0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:29.239 smaller Trevon Dick. That helps a guy like Treyvon Diggs 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:31.600 who needs to get back in the groove of things. 0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:34.440 That helps a rookie like Kayln Carson. That helps your 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.560 you know, your young secondary. So that's the goal, shutting 0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:39.960 down the run, and that includes shutting down the run 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.200 of a mobile quarterback in Deshaun Watson. Because you don't 0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:44.160 want watching to build any confidence. Don't let them build 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:44.680 any confidence. 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:48.239 Correct And with all of this being said, all of 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:52.280 this being set up, which unit for the Cowboys defense, 0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:54.560 Which position group is going to be tested the most 0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:56.120 come someday, It's linebackers. 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:58.880 It's got to be. It's still linebackers. 0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:02.520 What do you think I'm gonna say the I'm say 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:05.040 defensive line as a whole, but I'm gonna say specifically 0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:07.280 defensive ends because they're gonna. 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:10.160 Be set the edge content Yeah, yeah, that's big at 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:10.760 the edge. 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.680 They don't set the edge, then it's on your linebackers. 0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:15.640 Yeah. 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.360 Well, and Jerome Ford can he can run outside the tackles, 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:21.520 so you can go sidelines. So you have not only 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.120 the mobility of Deshaun Watson, but you've got Jerome Ford. 0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:26.240 You got to worry about in that case, you agree 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.680 with one of the two, I. 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:31.360 Mean both, I mean yeah, I mean it's gonna be 0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:33.080 a tough, tough battle either way. 0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:33.960 It will be. 0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:36.840 And and there are parts to this offense that people 0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:39.120 don't know yet, elements of it because it's a new 0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:42.040 offensive coordinator. It's not gonna be the same as the 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:44.600 rankings that I gave at the end of last year. 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:46.320 They're trying to do everything. 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:48.080 They can to turn those numbers in the complete ops. 0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:50.480 But you know that also applies to the Cowboys defense. 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.880 There are elements of this defense true that Browns don't 0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:56.480 know and haven't seen. They don't know what le can do, 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.880 what Overshown can do, or Kailing Corson can do. They 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:02.200 don't know quite yet. It would want a fully unleashed one. 0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:05.480 Yea Thomas looks like as or Marquis bell as a 0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:06.880 safety looks like. 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:11.760 So there there are some things that Brown defense. Yeah, yeah, Dallas, 0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:14.640 Dallas has I say that to say it works both ways? 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:18.120 You know who else has a fast defense? The Cleveland 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.120 Browns do? They do? They've got some speed. Ja okay 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:22.120 on that defense. 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:26.880 J okay that Miles Garrett cat down at and T 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:28.400 Stadium one time in his life. 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:28.680 Yeah. 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:32.919 We're gonna talk Cowboys offensive preview tomorrow about how they're 0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:35.360 gonna try and slow down these guys and who is 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:37.920 that surprise starter on the offensive side of the ball 0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:41.200 in the unofficial first s depth chart of the year. 0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:44.680 More to come tomorrow nine am Central Time on Dallas 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:46.400 Cowboys dot Com for Chris. 0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:48.640 Me Isaiah stand Back, Josh Rodriguez. 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:51.160 Patrick nocy Walker, I'm Kyle Yoman saying so long from 0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:52.000 talking Cowboys. 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:52.760 We'll see you tomorrow. 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:56.200 This has been a production of dallascowboys dot Com and 0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.240 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.