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Speaker 5: Today is our Defensive Preview, as it is of course.
Speaker 1: Week one of the NFL season.
Speaker 5: We're gonna talk about the Cowboys defense and what they
Speaker 5: have going up against DeShawn Watson, the Nick Chubbliss Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 5: and uh one guy at receiver that we know pretty well.
Speaker 1: A little bit one kind of familiar.
Speaker 5: We're gonna talk about all of that throughout the course
Speaker 5: of the show. How's everybody doing today? Everybody good?
Speaker 6: Fantastically, Yeah, excellent, feeling great, feeling re energized, even though
Speaker 6: we just did nine podcasts yesterday, you know, to need see.
Speaker 1: And that's so we're pulling the curtain back a little
Speaker 1: bit for Josh.
Speaker 5: Josh starts today with us on our show and then
Speaker 5: immediately hops into the podcast control room behind us with
Speaker 5: Chris Beam and helps Beam produce post edit I mean,
Speaker 5: literally every other podcast the rest of the day.
Speaker 6: So until people text tweet Derek and like where are
Speaker 6: the podcasts at? It's like, oh, all nine of them?
Speaker 6: Where from today?
Speaker 1: Is my mixed shots today?
Speaker 6: Exactly?
Speaker 1: And then Derek, is there a reason?
Speaker 7: Is there a reason why you see like pact, you
Speaker 7: see Derek's contact on your phone pop up, and like
Speaker 7: you have one ruins my new reactions.
Speaker 1: You are the either like oh, I'm.
Speaker 5: Doing a great job because he'll call and he'll give
Speaker 5: you props, like it will happen all the time, or
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, yes, there's no am I getting called
Speaker 5: to the principal's office.
Speaker 1: That's what we always talk about. It's just pure stress.
Speaker 6: And I got in the middle of a movie yesterday
Speaker 6: I got I got my Derek text in the middle
Speaker 6: of watching a movie. I was at the theater and
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, I can't focus on this anymore.
Speaker 1: A little bit of anxiety took over there.
Speaker 7: For the rest of that movie, you were replaying from
Speaker 7: his seat.
Speaker 1: Laptop like the movie.
Speaker 5: Like Wi Fi connections started to fade a little bit
Speaker 5: because he had the hot spot up in the in
Speaker 5: the theater projection.
Speaker 6: It's like, can you pause it for just one minute?
Speaker 1: Just a minute, I promise, so it'll be okay.
Speaker 5: Oh man, Well yeah, re energize is what it feels like.
Speaker 1: Oh, it feels great, and back to it. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's.
Speaker 5: Even better once you get into a routine and you
Speaker 5: get the same show every day.
Speaker 1: We're here at nine am every day to break it
Speaker 1: down for you.
Speaker 5: But before we get into our preview, let's go to
Speaker 5: some news and notes with Patrick Nocy Walker.
Speaker 7: So yesterday was a couple of transactions one would well
Speaker 7: both were were more or less expected. Obviously, Villiami Junior
Speaker 7: for Hoko, former fourth round pick from last year. He
Speaker 7: was officially released from the Cowboys. Initially during the roster cutdowns,
Speaker 7: he was waived injured and it was an expectation that
Speaker 7: that would result in an injury settlement, which is the
Speaker 7: two side, which is exactly what the two sides came
Speaker 7: to terms on. So Fajoko is a free agent and
Speaker 7: the Cowboys made the official the release of David Dirt
Speaker 7: and wide receiver. He is out as well. And we
Speaker 7: didn't speak on this before now, but I want everyone
Speaker 7: to know who may not know. Al Quadem Muhammad was
Speaker 7: released late last week. If you remember, he did play
Speaker 7: well in the preseason. He performed well and you know
Speaker 7: once he was at it in camp, but also needed
Speaker 7: to still serve that one game suspension which was coming
Speaker 7: due week one. The Cowboys didn't need to carry him.
Speaker 7: He was on the suspended reserve list, but apparently they
Speaker 7: chose to move on, which they are more within you know,
Speaker 7: within the rights to do so. He is a free
Speaker 7: agent as well. Al Kadem Muhammad is not going to
Speaker 7: be on the Cowboys' depth chart. I like week two. Yeah,
Speaker 7: AQM is what I called him. I liked the AQB.
Speaker 7: We talked about that last week a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he showed some promise. He showed promise. It is possible,
Speaker 7: but it does. It is kind of a head scratcher
Speaker 7: in the capacity of if you're wondering if they will
Speaker 7: bring him back, which is possible, makes you wonder why
Speaker 7: they release him in the first place when he was
Speaker 7: not being a hit, When he wasn't a hit to
Speaker 7: a roster seat at all. So they didn't have to
Speaker 7: make a decision on him until after week one, but
Speaker 7: they proactively made that decision. So something kind of went
Speaker 7: a ride there, it feels like, but I don't have
Speaker 7: all the details on it, so I won't speculate.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was the response to the Sam Williams injury.
Speaker 1: If he was, he was in that Carl Lawson and
Speaker 1: it was him AQ.
Speaker 5: And Boston's on the practice squad, correct, right, So you
Speaker 5: have one of those guys on the practice squad, you
Speaker 5: wave Tony, Are there any.
Speaker 1: Other practice spot positions open?
Speaker 7: They're maxed, so they have the seventeen, which is the
Speaker 7: sixteen plus you get the IPP exception for Denzel decks
Speaker 7: and so they're maxed at seventeen.
Speaker 1: Would you like to see aqm back?
Speaker 6: He had flashes in the preseason, no doubt, but I
Speaker 6: think they probably see more potential in Karl Lawson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't feel that way though.
Speaker 8: I definitely don't feel that way at all. I don't
Speaker 8: think Carl Lawson he did not possess the juice that
Speaker 8: I was looking for from that particular position. I think
Speaker 8: he looks like a transformer, for sure.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, he lives the all Hotel Lobby team.
Speaker 8: It looks like a weight room monster. But from what
Speaker 8: I saw, he didn't have more than one move. He
Speaker 8: went upfield, got jammed up. He was either going to
Speaker 8: get to the quarterback or not. He didn't give it
Speaker 8: to the quarterback. He didn't seem like he had too
Speaker 8: much agility and too many, too many other moves in
Speaker 8: his bag.
Speaker 6: And was that not being in shape for football season.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I didn't see any change ups. I was watching them.
Speaker 8: I was watching them because I was looking at those
Speaker 8: two I like.
Speaker 1: I like AQ.
Speaker 8: I think he's one of the few true defensive ends
Speaker 8: that the Cowboys had in camp this year. That's that's
Speaker 8: just my opinion. I think Chauncey Golson is not a
Speaker 8: true d N. I don't think Tyris and We. I
Speaker 8: think Tyris we is kind.
Speaker 1: Of a tweener. Yeah, he's a tweener.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 8: Obviously you got Micah, obviously you have d Law. But
Speaker 8: those are the only two that are like true dns.
Speaker 8: Marshaw Kneeland, everybody's talking about him, He's not a d
Speaker 8: N to me. He doesn't possess what I considered to
Speaker 8: be a d M. Maybe in this new Mike Zimmer system,
Speaker 8: but when you're talking about, hey, I want you to
Speaker 8: get the quarterback, it's not a guy that you're necessarily
Speaker 8: gonna look at.
Speaker 7: And that's where they're trying to unlock with Marshawn Naland
Speaker 7: and speaking with Nland over the course of training camp.
Speaker 7: Obviously he knows the Cowboys. We know that one of
Speaker 7: his green greenest of flags was his run defense at
Speaker 7: the edge. So I think him hearing everyone praise that,
Speaker 7: which is completely fine. He feels like not enough people
Speaker 7: are talking about his ability to rush the passer.
Speaker 1: So there are more than on more than.
Speaker 7: One occasion when Kneeland proactively brought up how he was
Speaker 7: working on unlocking that pass rush ability completely. So to
Speaker 7: your point, maybe in Zimmer system and working with coach
Speaker 7: z and Greg Ellis, maybe they'll be able to unlock
Speaker 7: that as the season goes on. But I will say
Speaker 7: Nieland did show some good penetration into the opposing pocket
Speaker 7: over the course of the preseason during his snap, So
Speaker 7: there's some progression there. But let's see, like Isaia said,
Speaker 7: let's see if it gets completely unlocked as early as
Speaker 7: this year, because they needed as early as this year
Speaker 7: with Sam out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you need a guy that's going to stop
Speaker 5: the run and set the edge, and he's the leader.
Speaker 1: Contained is the big thing. I mean, just keep it
Speaker 1: inside the tackles and you have a mobile quarterback coming.
Speaker 1: You've got a couple of special teams too.
Speaker 8: They're gonna have these guys on the depth chart and
Speaker 8: they have to be versatile on your on your teams.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if you're going to see Marshaun
Speaker 5: Eves run down the field at six four to two specialty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 8: And both those guys play heavy to me, you know
Speaker 8: what I mean, like they play heavy absolutely?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I do agree.
Speaker 8: Well, long linky athletic. He mean, if you're going to
Speaker 8: drop an athlete, that's what you draw up right there.
Speaker 1: Well, when we talked about this too, But if that's
Speaker 1: a conversation.
Speaker 5: You don't think John Fossil said or looked at the
Speaker 5: list and said, Okay, John, uh, you've got Carl Lawson,
Speaker 5: you've got a QM. Make your decision. Whoever's whoever you
Speaker 5: want will be on the practice.
Speaker 8: I don't think that was his decision. Yeah, if he
Speaker 8: came down to that, I don't believe that that was
Speaker 8: his decision. I think if he did have an opportunity
Speaker 8: to put his finger on somebody, it was Tyros Whet.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, I think it was a dialogue.
Speaker 7: And if that were the case, and he was saying
Speaker 7: he being bones Fossil, he was saying, Hey, I want
Speaker 7: a QM over Carl Lawson for special teams purposes. They
Speaker 7: probably rebutted and said, we'll give you a Tyros Wheat
Speaker 7: if you give Mike zimmer Carlawston. So I'm I mean,
Speaker 7: it's always an open dialogue when you're talking about roster goods.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you gotta play the game. You gotta play
Speaker 1: the game. It's it's not easy to do.
Speaker 8: But again, going back, but going back to this conversation
Speaker 8: we had yesterday, this is not a d N featured defense, no,
Speaker 8: correct So as much as we're inside as we're used
Speaker 8: to these great defensive ends for the Dallas Cowboys over
Speaker 8: the years, and there still is one obviously in the room,
Speaker 8: and Michael parsons that he will be utilized and he
Speaker 8: will eat as usual. That's not the feature of this defense,
Speaker 8: and obviously we'll get into it today.
Speaker 1: These linebackers are the stars of the show. Is the
Speaker 1: stars of the show.
Speaker 7: Any other news in those that come to mind, No,
Speaker 7: unless I'm missing one, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: No, yesterday, because they didn't practice yesterday.
Speaker 7: So using that as a segue to today, the Cowboys
Speaker 7: will return to practice. Today will be and this is
Speaker 7: how we know we're back, baby.
Speaker 1: Today will be.
Speaker 7: The first official practice report. We get practice reports effective today,
Speaker 7: so we will get an official tracker for what's going
Speaker 7: on with whoever is dealing with any type of ailment.
Speaker 7: But as it stands.
Speaker 1: Now, way too much panic Wednesday, of course, absolute.
Speaker 7: You're going to see like Brandon Cooks probably limited and
Speaker 7: people I thought Brandon Cooks, he's fine.
Speaker 1: Marsh On Nealand's gonna have like a toe, he's fine.
Speaker 1: Who yeah, get ready for that.
Speaker 7: But cowboys return to practice today, and they're really going
Speaker 7: to start ratcheting things up over the next three days,
Speaker 7: three to four days to get ready for that trip
Speaker 7: to Cleveland in because there's a lot that awaits them.
Speaker 1: Yes, at Cleveland Brown Stadium, Yes there is.
Speaker 5: Would you ever be the Bill Belichick of practice reports
Speaker 5: and just put.
Speaker 1: Everybody on there. I'm not disclosing anything that actually need.
Speaker 5: Needs to be out there, but that that's how you
Speaker 5: do it. You muddy the water. You put every single name.
Speaker 5: Josh has a shoulder, You've got a hip, You've got
Speaker 5: an ankle, I've got need. Yeah, whatever, it ends up
Speaker 5: being for people that have them.
Speaker 1: But he has an ear, he has one, Yeah, he got.
Speaker 5: He's got your playing head, shoulders.
Speaker 1: He lost, he lost. It's in his eye. Something's in
Speaker 1: his eyes. He made a wish.
Speaker 5: All right, let's get into that defensive preview, because, like
Speaker 5: you said, Cleveland has.
Speaker 1: A lot to look for.
Speaker 5: Before we get into that, too, we got to look
Speaker 5: at who's gonna play defense. Because the defensive depth chart
Speaker 5: was released for the first time, the unofficial depth chart.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read off the starters here.
Speaker 5: Stop me if there's any shockers, right, these are starters,
Speaker 5: starters only.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence Michaeh. Parsons. Nothing right there yet.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna skip a name for a second os Di Gizua,
Speaker 5: Damone Clark, Eric Kendricks, Maris Lea Foul, Trayvon Diggs, Cayln Carson,
Speaker 5: Jordan Lewis, Donovan Wilson, Malie Cooker.
Speaker 1: And the name I skipped was Mazzi Smith.
Speaker 5: Any shockers, any surprises, not even the last name.
Speaker 6: I think people might be shocked to see of overshown. However,
Speaker 6: they've been listen listing Lea Foul over overshown since training camp,
Speaker 6: since the first unofficial training camp.
Speaker 1: That hence my no. Yeah, yeah, so it's.
Speaker 6: No surprise to us, but it maybe people at home
Speaker 6: might be surprised.
Speaker 7: To see it, and they have been just based on
Speaker 7: the responses that I've been getting. There's another name, offensively
Speaker 7: as a starter that has people up in arms, who
Speaker 7: will talk about that another time. But as far as Lea,
Speaker 7: the Lea Foul Overshown dynamic, I mean to me, it
Speaker 7: doesn't matter which one of those two guys you list
Speaker 7: on paper as the starter. They're both going to play
Speaker 7: rotationally and get a healthy amount of snaps. And also
Speaker 7: keep in mind that Lea foul is versatile, so he'll
Speaker 7: play Mike Sam and will and in those situations where
Speaker 7: he's you know, playing in a different spot, then overshown
Speaker 7: you will see them in sets where both of them
Speaker 7: on the field at the same time. So again the
Speaker 7: answer is no for me because I have an expectation
Speaker 7: for how Mike Zimmer is going to use those two guys,
Speaker 7: and it's going to be quite a bit. So who
Speaker 7: the starter is is a non is a non starter
Speaker 7: for this conversation.
Speaker 5: You said a healthy amount of snaps for both of
Speaker 5: those guys, What would that be like thirty five forty?
Speaker 1: Yeah, give or take? Then that, yeah, give her a take, give.
Speaker 5: It because what do we think in probably like eighty
Speaker 5: to ninety defensive snaps total?
Speaker 6: Right, do you.
Speaker 1: Think it'll be eighty snaps or I think it's more
Speaker 1: of a situation. What eighty snaps as a defense? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Cleveland likes to get up and go No.
Speaker 1: Sixty they also position to be sixty five.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Cleveland, along with the Cowboys, they were one of
Speaker 7: the best in the league at time of possession as well.
Speaker 1: So that they're gonna run the balls, I mean they're
Speaker 1: going to run the ball.
Speaker 7: There will be a lot of defensive reps for the
Speaker 7: Cowboys in this game to come up because unless the
Speaker 7: Cowboys can get off the field consistently on thirty third down, yeah,
Speaker 7: those No.
Speaker 1: Let's say let's say max of seventy.
Speaker 5: If they're seventy set snaps max, would you say thirty
Speaker 5: for lea foul, thirty.
Speaker 1: For overshown, and then mix in another ten somewhere else.
Speaker 7: I think this particular game looking at skill set, and
Speaker 7: I know Lea File has a lot of speed, but
Speaker 7: overshown go back and look at his Longhorns tape. This
Speaker 7: dude is designed to get after mobile quarterbacks, right, so
Speaker 7: when you're going against a guy like Deshaun Watson, I
Speaker 7: feel like this is a game that would tilt slightly
Speaker 7: toward Overshown having a higher snap count before it's all
Speaker 7: said and done than Lea File. Now that again, that
Speaker 7: does not to say Lea File is going to be
Speaker 7: playing the bench, because he's not, because his speed is
Speaker 7: going to be needed as well. But I do see
Speaker 7: this as more more of an overshown game than Lea
Speaker 7: fel I'm not sure I think they I don't think
Speaker 7: they know. I don't think it is Week one. This
Speaker 7: week one, don't and neither is played in this game.
Speaker 8: We'll get into the details, I'm sure, but it's gonna
Speaker 8: be whoever's the most physical this game. Whoever's most physical
Speaker 8: is gonna be the one who gets regards to who
Speaker 8: gets to start. Whoever's the most physical.
Speaker 7: Physical just right now, based on college to see it,
Speaker 7: I'm not going out of college.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about when he's gone?
Speaker 8: When these offensive guards can they pull guards all day long?
Speaker 8: Three hundred and ten pounds comes around the corner and
Speaker 8: comes up to the second level.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna come meet them? Overshowing did put on some more?
Speaker 1: Who's gonna come meet them? Put on? That reason?
Speaker 8: I want to see it for that reason. I want
Speaker 8: to see who's gonna come down here. So that's that's
Speaker 8: what's gonna determine it. Because if you're you're just scraping
Speaker 8: across the across the formation, you're gonna get thrown out the.
Speaker 1: Club Jasey Jeff style. Yeah, fair enough, I like it.
Speaker 1: I do so.
Speaker 5: Official or unofficial depth chart released for the Cowboys going
Speaker 5: into their Week one matchup.
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about the offensive.
Speaker 5: Depth chart tomorrow and our offensive preview can't wait.
Speaker 6: I did have one surprise though that you did. You
Speaker 6: didn't mention as far as starters go, Uh, Israel mccuamo, he.
Speaker 1: Was moved back to cornerback.
Speaker 6: Did you guys see that.
Speaker 1: I caught that? Oh in terms of non starters, Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Like to see that, albeit an unofficial, unofficial, unofficial, unofficial, Right,
Speaker 7: you gotta keep saying that I'll be an official depth charge.
Speaker 7: I do love seeing that they're closer to making official
Speaker 7: what we've seen throughout the course of training camp, which
Speaker 7: was Israel Mukalma was getting a ton of snaps at
Speaker 7: the cornerback positions at nickel corner seen throughout his professional
Speaker 7: career whenever he wasn't as good at safety as he
Speaker 7: has been. We have been pleading for is he to
Speaker 7: be moved back to corner, which is where he thrived
Speaker 7: at South Carolina.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you making that face? No reason we light
Speaker 1: at corner. We are light at corner. He's helping man. Listen.
Speaker 1: I saw all I needed to see.
Speaker 8: I mean, if you all you really need him to
Speaker 8: do in this defense is especially when you're playing zone,
Speaker 8: because that's what that's why it's a benefit for him
Speaker 8: in this defense to play corner because if you guys
Speaker 8: go back and look at let's not even look at that.
Speaker 8: Let's just keep it in the cowboys when you're as
Speaker 8: long and lanky as he is. And if you're Coach Zimmer,
Speaker 8: you're asking him if you're playing a cover too, or
Speaker 8: you're playing a cover two trap, or you're playing any
Speaker 8: kind of cloud three or anything like that where he's
Speaker 8: responsible for an area. He's not responsible for a man,
Speaker 8: but he's responsible just for a space. Go go gadget
Speaker 8: is who you want out there, because all you're telling
Speaker 8: him to do is, hey, go disrupt him off the
Speaker 8: line of scrimmage. Right, I'm not worried about you getting
Speaker 8: beat because we have help over the top. So go
Speaker 8: be aggressive, disrupt him with your size, and then fall
Speaker 8: back into your zone and let those guys go hunt up.
Speaker 1: Front and do what you can do at that point.
Speaker 1: And the ball, if the ball.
Speaker 8: Comes to your area, go go power rangers, go up
Speaker 8: there and get that thing and bring it back down.
Speaker 8: So you're not asking him to have the same responsibilities
Speaker 8: that a dan Quinn did because you're not asking to
Speaker 8: play man.
Speaker 7: Right, agree and is mkwamou is basically mister fantastic with
Speaker 7: the Marvel reference.
Speaker 8: There you.
Speaker 7: Fantastic full reference. But the difference is in having him
Speaker 7: in rotation with the guy like Jordan Lewis. Is that
Speaker 7: like Isaiah saying is he is excels with his size
Speaker 7: and his length as a zone cover guy, where Jordan
Speaker 7: is excels as a man cover guy. So being able
Speaker 7: to rotate those two guys in knowing that you have
Speaker 7: an elite zone guy an elite cover guy only works
Speaker 7: in the favor of Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 5: I've always wanted Isy to go back and go back
Speaker 5: to corner. His tape at South Carolina was always impressive.
Speaker 5: They I get it. I get the experiment, but it
Speaker 5: was an experiment for a year moving back the corner,
Speaker 5: see what happens, and then if.
Speaker 1: His career takes off and takes off.
Speaker 5: He's on the fifty three man roster at this point,
Speaker 5: which is saying something.
Speaker 1: He's tall. I don't think people understand how tall.
Speaker 8: I mean.
Speaker 1: They listen man six four yeah, and he might be
Speaker 1: six half. He is an absolute dog.
Speaker 7: He will get in the mind of the of the
Speaker 7: route receiver or whoever the target might be. He's going
Speaker 7: to talk his talk, and more often than not, he's
Speaker 7: going to back it up. And you talk about physicality,
Speaker 7: he's not just this long, lanky guy. He loves to
Speaker 7: hit as much as he loves to cover. He loves
Speaker 7: to make his presence felt. And then when you're getting up,
Speaker 7: when you're looking up at him, he's talking to you
Speaker 7: the whole time. So I said before roster cut downs
Speaker 7: and got the receipt out there on Twitter, I say,
Speaker 7: you have to find a way to keep Israel Mukuamu
Speaker 7: on this roster. And they found a way. So kudos
Speaker 7: to them and moved him back to corner, which is fantastic.
Speaker 5: And again they've put him back on the fifty three
Speaker 5: man active roster.
Speaker 1: He should play game days. He should be conversation game days.
Speaker 5: The one thing, too, is they just cut a fourth
Speaker 5: round pick from from more recent draft, from a more
Speaker 5: recent draft than what they had with.
Speaker 1: Eric sixth round Villiami Fojoko fourth round. They like is
Speaker 1: he mcguamoo enough to keep him around? That's there is
Speaker 1: a point being made by him being on the roster,
Speaker 1: and I love it. I love it too. All right.
Speaker 5: When we come back here on talking Cowboys, time to
Speaker 5: dive deep into the Cleveland Browns. What do they bring offensively,
Speaker 5: what will challenge this Cowboys defense? And how much effect
Speaker 5: will Amari Cooper have going into week one.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it.
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Speaker 5: All right, Let's take a look at the Brown's offense.
Speaker 5: And I'm not gonna lie to you, guys. They don't
Speaker 5: scare me. They do not scare me. The Browns offensively
Speaker 5: last year. Here's some of their totals. Uh total yardage
Speaker 5: sixteenth in the league. Scoring, they were tied for tenth,
Speaker 5: so not too bad, rushing twelfth, passing nineteenth. They were
Speaker 5: the twenty ninth ranked team on third down, bottom five
Speaker 5: in the league in terms of third down efficiency, and
Speaker 5: they allowed the twenty.
Speaker 1: First most I guess what would that be?
Speaker 5: They were twenty first in sacks allowed, so they gave
Speaker 5: up top would would that be twelve? Top twelve amount
Speaker 5: of sacks in the league last year as an offensive line,
Speaker 5: So when you look at the offense, I'm not necessarily worried.
Speaker 1: Twenty eighth in yards per play.
Speaker 5: If I had one thing that I think this Cowboys
Speaker 5: defense would struggle against it be the run game. Well,
Speaker 5: they don't have any Nick Chubb to hand the football
Speaker 5: off to, do you feel like?
Speaker 1: And That's where I'm headed. You think Jerome.
Speaker 5: Ford is a capable ball carrier enough to challenge the Cowboys'
Speaker 5: new look run defense.
Speaker 6: Ball carrier is interesting because all purpose, he had eleven
Speaker 6: hundred yards last season and nine point scores. I think
Speaker 6: we get burnt all the time when it comes to
Speaker 6: receiving running backs. It gives me a PTSD of Aaron Jones.
Speaker 6: But I mean even back to darren Sprolls, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, Like, anytime there's a shifty running back
Speaker 6: like that, they kill us. They kill us. So I'm
Speaker 6: concerned about that. But also they also brought in Deontay
Speaker 6: Foreman in uh in the backfield, six foot two hundred
Speaker 6: and thirty five pound running back from Chicago who only
Speaker 6: averaged four point two yards per carry last season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh guy, I wanted on the practice squad.
Speaker 6: Exactly, big dude, big dude. So I think the easiest
Speaker 6: fix here is just don't let them get into the
Speaker 6: rin zone. You know what I mean, Just don't do it.
Speaker 1: How's that sound? Easy fix? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Easy, easy peasy Litman squeezy, you don't have Nick Chubb.
Speaker 7: So there's a massive drop off there. That being said,
Speaker 7: as the Dallas Cowboys defense, you don't have the freaking
Speaker 7: luxury to overlook say you don't have the luxury to
Speaker 7: overlook a running back. You don't have the luxury to
Speaker 7: look at Jerome Ford and say, oh well, he's not
Speaker 7: Nick Chubb or Deontae Foreman say oh well he's you know,
Speaker 7: he's not what he would You don't have the luxury.
Speaker 7: You need to go out there and act as if
Speaker 7: you're playing defense against Nick Chubb because until further notice,
Speaker 7: there's a huge question mark slapped right in the middle
Speaker 7: of your defensive line and even the linebackers until we
Speaker 7: see these games wondering if Mike Zimmer's defense is going
Speaker 7: to rapidly or rapidly both actually increase the amount ar
Speaker 7: should said that decrease the production from opposing running defense. So,
Speaker 7: Jerome Ford, this is a guy, like you said, eleven
Speaker 7: hundred plus all purpose yards, nine all purpose touchdowns, eight
Speaker 7: hundred and thirteen yards, and four rushing touchdowns on the ground,
Speaker 7: so he can be effective. So don't go in there,
Speaker 7: don't go in to Cleveland thinking, you know, you're not
Speaker 7: seeing Nick Chubb, so you take a take a breath,
Speaker 7: don't hold that breath, and go do your damn job,
Speaker 7: because these two guys they can get the job done.
Speaker 7: And you got to flip that time of posiession. You
Speaker 7: cannot let Cleveland on the time of possession, especially in
Speaker 7: their stadium. That doesn't bote well when you also have
Speaker 7: to con in with the receivers.
Speaker 1: I call it taking the air out of the football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you just you don't. You don't. It's almost
Speaker 1: like trying to just play keep away. You don't want to.
Speaker 1: You want to, don't want to let.
Speaker 7: The other team play the game that they love, especially
Speaker 7: the number one offense in the league.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and they're gonna do everything they can.
Speaker 5: They don't care about that. I mentioned twenty ninth in
Speaker 5: yards per play or twenty eighth in yards per play
Speaker 5: last year.
Speaker 1: They could not care less.
Speaker 5: They will be okay with two and a half yards,
Speaker 5: three yards, and then they get a first down two
Speaker 5: and a half three yards, Then they get a second
Speaker 5: first down right, and then they keep going down the field.
Speaker 1: Te position is marching offender exactly. It's another defender and
Speaker 1: it could play a factor.
Speaker 5: They do have some weaponry on the outside, but I
Speaker 5: mentioned Amari Cooper. They traded for Jerry Judy, which I
Speaker 5: think is a significant underrated move this offseason across the
Speaker 5: AFC in general, not just the Cowboys or not just
Speaker 5: the Browns.
Speaker 1: Uh Yeah, I like what I'm bliged j Moore can do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean weaponry on the outside, running game as
Speaker 5: a whole, Isaiah when you look at this team from
Speaker 5: a film standpoint, And by the way, new offensive coordinator
Speaker 5: Ken Dorsey is now the OC with Cleveland. Which side
Speaker 5: of it worries you more? The Russian game or the
Speaker 5: passing game?
Speaker 1: Russian game? Yeah, still rushing game, I don't And.
Speaker 6: Is that more for the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Are more for what.
Speaker 8: They Why would you not attack the Cowboys ability to
Speaker 8: defend the run until further notice, you're one of as Cleveland. Okay,
Speaker 8: we're not obviously new OC, New Year all that jazz.
Speaker 8: Historically speaking, when you play the Cleveland Browns, you know
Speaker 8: that you have to be able to defend against what
Speaker 8: the run. The run it was, but I think it's yes,
Speaker 8: and Nick Chubb is a very talented running back, but
Speaker 8: I think this game is less about the running back
Speaker 8: and more about the offensive line. The offensive line of Cleveland,
Speaker 8: to me, is a solid unit. Those guys work really
Speaker 8: well together. They move all the time in terms of
Speaker 8: pulling guards, pulling tackles. You just if you gonna say this,
Speaker 8: the Alas Cowboys feature of the defense is what position linebackers? Right,
Speaker 8: that's feature right now, feature position. Yes, the feature position
Speaker 8: is linebacker.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's vast different.
Speaker 8: Yeah in January, right, it tast historically obviously we have
Speaker 8: to we have to wait and see, right, But historically
Speaker 8: the Cleveland Browns have done a lot of counters, a
Speaker 8: lot of counters. For those that don't understand your misdirection counters. Okay,
Speaker 8: that means pulling guards.
Speaker 1: You're going like.
Speaker 8: You're handing the ball off one way, you let the
Speaker 8: guard go to the opposite direction. You can hand the ball
Speaker 8: off to running back going right behind that big man.
Speaker 8: And if your linebackers are not aggressive and decisive, there
Speaker 8: will be a three hundred plus pound man who loves
Speaker 8: to put guys into the ground and eat pancakes. He
Speaker 8: will be on your two hundred and thirty pounds linebacker
Speaker 8: to fifteen twenty with luifowl right in a heartbeat. So
Speaker 8: these linebackers have to shoot the gaps. Trust their eyes right,
Speaker 8: So Kendricks luifoul all these guys you have, when you
Speaker 8: see it, you see a whole go Oh. The other
Speaker 8: person in this defense that has to win every single
Speaker 8: time is the one technique.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 8: If the one technique does not control the center, you're
Speaker 8: in trouble. If you don't win that matchup, you're in trouble.
Speaker 8: If you get moved the one direction and you allow
Speaker 8: for him to get his hip turned and get you
Speaker 8: shifted one direction, you were opening up the red sea.
Speaker 8: And now you're putting so much pressure on your linebackers.
Speaker 8: But if you can get even a stalemate at that
Speaker 8: position and don't allow that center to be able to
Speaker 8: work up to the next level, and you when that guard,
Speaker 8: right guard or left guard decides to vacate their space
Speaker 8: and that linebacker shoots the hole, you can get these
Speaker 8: guys down in the backfield. Reason being, if you don't
Speaker 8: do that, then yeah, it's not Chubb in the backfield,
Speaker 8: but it is a forward in the backfield, and we
Speaker 8: know that forwards are built for it tough.
Speaker 1: If these guys and these guys, this.
Speaker 8: Dude run he was clocked at twenty one miles pour
Speaker 8: last year.
Speaker 1: So that's like, Isaiah, standbackfast. No, I'm twenty two.
Speaker 8: But but if you on but if you allow for
Speaker 8: these guards again, understand this conceptually, guard leaves pools gets
Speaker 8: up to the second level. If your linebackers don't shoot
Speaker 8: the gap and stop this thing in the backfield, if
Speaker 8: your one technique doesn't push the guy back or still
Speaker 8: make the center, then all of a sudden, he's getting
Speaker 8: out to the edge. That's running back and there referring
Speaker 8: to and you have a running back who runs twenty
Speaker 8: one miles per hour, he gets out on the edge.
Speaker 1: Now you're in trouble.
Speaker 8: Now you're asking Trayvon to go up and come up
Speaker 8: and make big hits. Now you're asking your defensive backs
Speaker 8: to come up there and make plays on guys that
Speaker 8: they really shouldn't have to be worried about.
Speaker 1: But you know what that does.
Speaker 7: Then that sets up the play action deepot, that's what
Speaker 7: it does, because now your corner has to worry about
Speaker 7: playing with his eyes in the backfield.
Speaker 1: And that's a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 7: And Isaiah makes all the great points, and I want
Speaker 7: to point at something that Mary s Leafoul told us
Speaker 7: after Monday's practice that stuck out to me. I asked
Speaker 7: him specifically, I said, what is Mike Zimmer's message to
Speaker 7: the rookie linebackers going into their first game?
Speaker 1: Overshown?
Speaker 7: And because overshown is the fact over rookie and Lea
Speaker 7: foul as well, and Lea Foule's quote was he told
Speaker 7: us to just cut it loose and let me do
Speaker 7: the thinking.
Speaker 1: End quote.
Speaker 7: So to Isaiah's point that if that works out as
Speaker 7: we hope it does, that is the instinctual play of
Speaker 7: the linebackers, just telling them, hey, this is your assignment.
Speaker 1: Now go play football and don't overthink it. But this
Speaker 1: is going to be.
Speaker 7: A massive test for Mazzi Smith and the rebuilt interior
Speaker 7: defensive line.
Speaker 1: So even even if you're.
Speaker 7: The jury is out and jury is out on Mazzi
Speaker 7: Smith right now until further notice. But as the jury
Speaker 7: is out on Mazzi Smith, it's going to be a
Speaker 7: test for Mazi and lin Vall, the new dedition, Linval
Speaker 7: Joseph and oh so we know Os is gonna cook.
Speaker 7: Os is gonna cook. No question marks on Oaks side.
Speaker 7: Jordan Phillips, he flashed early in preseason, as early as
Speaker 7: his first preseason game with no practice.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: So Jordan Phillips olso Diggi zuwell, who we know is
Speaker 7: gonna cook Mazi and then the newest edition Linval Joseph.
Speaker 7: Those four guys up front in those trenches, if they
Speaker 7: can wall that off, force the runs to the outside
Speaker 7: and the linebackers are in fact being cut loose and
Speaker 7: playing instinctual for the ball. Now you're going to force
Speaker 7: not only Deshaun Watson into abandoning the run. Now you're
Speaker 7: going to force them, the Cleveland Browns into playing your game.
Speaker 1: You want them to drop back forty times and throw
Speaker 1: the ball. That's what you want. They're going to test
Speaker 1: Kayln Carson.
Speaker 7: They are, but I tell you what, if you target
Speaker 7: him ten times, one of those is going to be
Speaker 7: an interception.
Speaker 1: Right, So you want them getting one dimensional.
Speaker 5: And they haven't been one dimensional, or at least, let
Speaker 5: me say it this way, teams under Ken Dorsey have
Speaker 5: not been one dimensional whenever it comes to their quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: He's had some pretty good success with quarterbacks. I'll tell
Speaker 5: you about that when we come back on the other
Speaker 5: side of the break. How can Ken Dorsey the new
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator in Cleveland help grow DeShawn Watson and helped
Speaker 5: push him in the right direction, and how the Cowboys
Speaker 5: can slow him down when we come back with more
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Speaker 5: I tease that going into the break. Ken Dorsey a
Speaker 5: new offensive coordinator for the Browns this season. He was
Speaker 5: the Bills offensive coordinator from twenty twenty two to twenty
Speaker 5: twenty three, and previous to that, from twenty thirteen to
Speaker 5: twenty seventeen, he was the quarterback coach for Cam Newton
Speaker 5: in Carolina. Through his time in both of those places,
Speaker 5: Allen led the NFL with two hundred and three offensive
Speaker 5: touchdowns since twenty nineteen. Newton had over one hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty offensive touchdowns in that same span. Twenty thirteen to
Speaker 5: twenty seventeen, which was fourth in the NFL, and of
Speaker 5: course he won his MVP award in twenty fifteen, So
Speaker 5: right now one of the best quarterbacks in the league
Speaker 5: influenced by Ken Dorsey back then an MVP of top
Speaker 5: notch player coached up by Ken Dorsey.
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson was one of the worst quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: In football last year and it's statistically proven since twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two. Forty first out of quarterbacks, forty first in
Speaker 5: completion percentage, thirty eighth in passing guards per game, thirty
Speaker 5: sixth in passing attempts. His touchdown the interception ratio was
Speaker 5: fourteen to nine.
Speaker 1: It was not good. Oh, brother, brother guy thinks.
Speaker 5: But can can Ken Dorsey change that?
Speaker 1: Isaiah?
Speaker 5: So from your experience from a quarterback coach, Oh see,
Speaker 5: whatever it may be, No, you cannot fix it.
Speaker 1: No, not him. Why is that he lost his velocity?
Speaker 8: Deshaun Watson does not no longer from what I've seen
Speaker 8: on film, no longer possesses the ability to put any
Speaker 8: zip on the ball. The interceptions that he had last
Speaker 8: year were because not only just bad decisions, but the
Speaker 8: ball wasn't going to get there, just flat out now.
Speaker 7: Were you seeing that before or during his battle with
Speaker 7: the shoulder issue that eventually landed him out. Do you
Speaker 7: think that's a remnant of what he was dealing with
Speaker 7: last year? And maybe I could come back this year.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 8: We'll see, we'll see, but from what I've seen, they
Speaker 8: just not there, you know what I mean. And it
Speaker 8: might be one of the reasons why Mary Cooper wanted
Speaker 8: to get out of there.
Speaker 5: While they were talking trade with possible San Francisco, and.
Speaker 1: When Brandon you had an opportunity to leave, he was like,
Speaker 1: not there. Yeah, going right. So I mean there's there's reasons.
Speaker 8: You know, there's underlying factors as to why guys don't
Speaker 8: want to go places, and you know, that seemed to
Speaker 8: be one as I watched the film.
Speaker 1: So it's just I don't think.
Speaker 8: That they're going to be I think they're going to
Speaker 8: attempt to put the ball down the field. I think
Speaker 8: he's definitely Condors is definitely going to try to do
Speaker 8: have the same success that he's had in the past, because.
Speaker 1: I hope they do safety. But in order in order to.
Speaker 8: Do that right, in order to do that, he's going
Speaker 8: to pay homage to what the Browns have been. He's
Speaker 8: going to do that, right, Let's hand the ball off,
Speaker 8: Let's run the rock. That's you know what, this is what,
Speaker 8: this is what you guys, your your identity has been
Speaker 8: for years. Let's continue to do that. But if Dallas
Speaker 8: can show some resilience there. It's kind of like the
Speaker 8: old killing Moore. M right, killing Moore is like, well,
Speaker 8: run the ball. I really don't want to.
Speaker 1: He even said, oh it's not ready, Oh it's not working. Great.
Speaker 1: Just throw the ball forty five fifty times a game.
Speaker 8: Fantastic, And I hope that mister Dorsey decides to do that.
Speaker 8: But Dallas has to make him do that. So I say,
Speaker 8: take the run away, get him to do what he
Speaker 8: wants to do anyway, which is throw the ball around,
Speaker 8: and then make him pay for it because their quarterback
Speaker 8: cannot pass the ball the way he wants the way
Speaker 8: he wants.
Speaker 6: To did to answer your question, I don't know that.
Speaker 6: I mean there's a lot of health issues when it
Speaker 6: comes to Shaun Watson. He hasn't had a healthy season
Speaker 6: sure so far with the Browns personal issues. Also aside
Speaker 6: that that was a he's a meme.
Speaker 1: Now you know what?
Speaker 6: I mean, I think that that's kind of created the
Speaker 6: narrative that he's like not as good as he was
Speaker 6: with the Texans, which is understandable. But we kind of
Speaker 6: saw a glimpse of postseason.
Speaker 1: But Isaiah's off camera, it's okay.
Speaker 6: Fair enough, fair enough. We saw a glimpse of twenty
Speaker 6: twenty postseason Deshaun Watson last year in the comeback against
Speaker 6: the Ravens.
Speaker 1: I feel like we saw that.
Speaker 6: I think it was the fourth quarter, or maybe it
Speaker 6: was that second half totally where he had fourteen He
Speaker 6: went fourteen for fourteen, came back and beat the Ravens
Speaker 6: last year. That to me was an indication where he's
Speaker 6: probably not done being Deshaun Watson. But I think, like
Speaker 6: you said, does it carry over to an entire season.
Speaker 6: Probably not. But Ken Dorsey, I don't know if you mentioned,
Speaker 6: but he was fired last season.
Speaker 1: For a five ten Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, with the Bills, so.
Speaker 5: They were still eighth in like yards per game and
Speaker 5: yards per play, like they were still like a decent
Speaker 5: level offense. When he got fired last year, it was
Speaker 5: kind of a weird firing.
Speaker 8: Kevin Morgan let go here or not re signed and
Speaker 8: he had at the top of the league top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of times, it's fit more than anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, points per game.
Speaker 5: From weeks one to ten and twenty twenty three they
Speaker 5: were eighth, the Bills were, So it's.
Speaker 6: Like, who knows, who knows. I think it's kind of
Speaker 6: up in the air with Watson how he handles it
Speaker 6: going forward. You know, it's probably a mental game at
Speaker 6: this point. But again, if he's not throwing any zip
Speaker 6: on the ball, then that's also physical as well.
Speaker 1: For me, it's a couple of things.
Speaker 7: Number One, I look at it as the same way
Speaker 7: I look at the run attack or the run defense.
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't have.
Speaker 7: The luxury of assuming that Deshaun Watson is not peak
Speaker 7: Houston Texans. Deshaun Watson, you don't have the luxury. Jordan
Speaker 7: Love walked in and yeah did Right, don't even have
Speaker 7: to relive it because you know you were there. So
Speaker 7: this is the first game after that game. You need
Speaker 7: to go in there. You need to show Deshaun Watson
Speaker 7: that you know what time it is.
Speaker 1: Right. But I also add that I kind of touched
Speaker 1: on it. Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 7: He ended up on IR last year because of the
Speaker 7: shoulder issue, right, so this is his first game back,
Speaker 7: there might be some rust. Okay, So yes, the Cowboys
Speaker 7: have youth on their defense, linebackers, secondary, But Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: He's going to need to get thumped.
Speaker 7: He's going to need to, you know, make a couple
Speaker 7: of completions before his confidence gets where it needs to
Speaker 7: get preaches and reps right. You need to make sure
Speaker 7: that his first three or four attempts are incomplete, which
Speaker 7: then gets him overthinking and he's trying to overprocess. And
Speaker 7: now going against Mike Zimmer, a cerebral matchup. Now that
Speaker 7: tends to go to Mike Zimmer, but there is something
Speaker 7: about his mobility, Deshaun Watson that I wanted to point
Speaker 7: out because obviously, when you have a mobile quarterback, if
Speaker 7: you don't contain and you allow them to get out,
Speaker 7: now you extend coverage windows. And now your secondary that
Speaker 7: you're so confident in now has to cover longer. And
Speaker 7: you're covering longer against Samari Cooper, arguably still your best
Speaker 7: route runner in the league, Jerry Judy, you're covering against
Speaker 7: Elijah More for a longer periods of time. Now the
Speaker 7: stale starts to slide back towards Cleveland as far as
Speaker 7: offensive production is concerned. But I asked both leave Foul
Speaker 7: and Overshown specifically, how are they looking to handle the
Speaker 7: mobility of Deshaun Watson. I'll give you a quick answer
Speaker 7: for both of them. Live Foule said, It's always a
Speaker 7: challenge because there are threat to you in so many ways.
Speaker 7: We were just preparing for that and keeping that in
Speaker 7: mind this week. But it's what Overshown said that really
Speaker 7: stood out to me. He said, We've definitely got some
Speaker 7: stuff cooked up for those situations. And that's one of
Speaker 7: my specialties is getting after quarterbacks who like to leave
Speaker 7: the pocket. I'm looking forward to that. To Marveon, Overshown
Speaker 7: wants smoke. Okay, yes, and when you go back, and
Speaker 7: I know we're talking college tape versus NFL tape, but
Speaker 7: if you get a situation where there's not that three
Speaker 7: hundred and fifteen guy, a pound guy who can get
Speaker 7: a hand on to Marrio on Overshown, if Demo sees
Speaker 7: Watson exiting that pocket, his lights are gonna come on.
Speaker 1: He wants that.
Speaker 7: And you have the speed of Overshown, you have the
Speaker 7: speed of Leophile, you even have the speed of Eric Kendricks.
Speaker 7: I remember one particular play. This was the scrimmage against
Speaker 7: the Los Angeles Perhabs. I know exactly where Eric Hendricks
Speaker 7: absolutely teleported from the mic to that edge.
Speaker 1: And so you have like a knife through.
Speaker 7: You have so much speed at the linebacker position. That
Speaker 7: will help you contain a mobile quarterback like Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 7: Now you keep him in the pocket. And the more
Speaker 7: you keep him in the pocket, and if you can
Speaker 7: nullify that run game DeMarcus Lawrence, Michael Parsons, they're coming,
Speaker 7: Marshaw Kneeland, hopefully he gets involved in that as well.
Speaker 1: That's what you want to see.
Speaker 7: And those coverage windows get you know, made smaller and
Speaker 7: smaller Trevon Dick. That helps a guy like Treyvon Diggs
Speaker 7: who needs to get back in the groove of things.
Speaker 7: That helps a rookie like Kayln Carson. That helps your
Speaker 7: you know, your young secondary. So that's the goal, shutting
Speaker 7: down the run, and that includes shutting down the run
Speaker 7: of a mobile quarterback in Deshaun Watson. Because you don't
Speaker 7: want watching to build any confidence. Don't let them build
Speaker 7: any confidence.
Speaker 5: Correct And with all of this being said, all of
Speaker 5: this being set up, which unit for the Cowboys defense,
Speaker 5: Which position group is going to be tested the most
Speaker 5: come someday, It's linebackers.
Speaker 1: It's got to be. It's still linebackers.
Speaker 8: What do you think I'm gonna say the I'm say
Speaker 8: defensive line as a whole, but I'm gonna say specifically
Speaker 8: defensive ends because they're gonna.
Speaker 1: Be set the edge content Yeah, yeah, that's big at
Speaker 1: the edge.
Speaker 7: They don't set the edge, then it's on your linebackers.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and Jerome Ford can he can run outside the tackles,
Speaker 5: so you can go sidelines. So you have not only
Speaker 5: the mobility of Deshaun Watson, but you've got Jerome Ford.
Speaker 1: You got to worry about in that case, you agree
Speaker 1: with one of the two, I.
Speaker 6: Mean both, I mean yeah, I mean it's gonna be
Speaker 6: a tough, tough battle either way.
Speaker 1: It will be.
Speaker 5: And and there are parts to this offense that people
Speaker 5: don't know yet, elements of it because it's a new
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator. It's not gonna be the same as the
Speaker 5: rankings that I gave at the end of last year.
Speaker 5: They're trying to do everything.
Speaker 1: They can to turn those numbers in the complete ops.
Speaker 7: But you know that also applies to the Cowboys defense.
Speaker 7: There are elements of this defense true that Browns don't
Speaker 7: know and haven't seen. They don't know what le can do,
Speaker 7: what Overshown can do, or Kailing Corson can do. They
Speaker 7: don't know quite yet. It would want a fully unleashed one.
Speaker 7: Yea Thomas looks like as or Marquis bell as a
Speaker 7: safety looks like.
Speaker 1: So there there are some things that Brown defense. Yeah, yeah, Dallas,
Speaker 1: Dallas has I say that to say it works both ways?
Speaker 1: You know who else has a fast defense? The Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns do? They do? They've got some speed. Ja okay
Speaker 1: on that defense.
Speaker 5: J okay that Miles Garrett cat down at and T
Speaker 5: Stadium one time in his life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We're gonna talk Cowboys offensive preview tomorrow about how they're
Speaker 5: gonna try and slow down these guys and who is
Speaker 5: that surprise starter on the offensive side of the ball
Speaker 5: in the unofficial first s depth chart of the year.
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