Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh, I see you my wine and
Speaker 1: look over there. How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let
Speaker 1: ding don, let's culture calling, And I guess we should
Speaker 1: update everyone. Okay, we've heard the call, we've read the
Speaker 1: online comments, we've seen your tweets and you know, um, actually,
Speaker 1: hpj um, is it possible to hear from you? How
Speaker 1: is it going with replacing me as a co host
Speaker 1: of this podcast? Good never? Now? Is that because of
Speaker 1: the contract that we're in that we can't get me?
Speaker 1: Because you know, some of the commenters, you know, they're
Speaker 1: done with me. They think that the show will be
Speaker 1: better without me. So, first of all, no one's no
Speaker 1: one's explicitly said that. No people they had one. There
Speaker 1: was one commenter who said that he had to stop
Speaker 1: listening to the show because of me. And so I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know what, we've always engaged, and so
Speaker 1: I should go. I think you're letting the online comments
Speaker 1: turn the negative comments turned into negative feelings. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: I guess like I just care a lot about the
Speaker 1: listeners and I want them to come first, and so
Speaker 1: if I should go, But unfortunately I hear we're in
Speaker 1: a contract, and I have to hope you guys, we're
Speaker 1: sort of bound to this contract, Matt sort of you know,
Speaker 1: has to are both of us. Unfortunately, I have to
Speaker 1: keep posting, We have to keep posting despite your feelings
Speaker 1: about us. But this is just to say, we're giving
Speaker 1: too much acknowledgment to the people who have problems with
Speaker 1: either of us and we shouldn't do that. And you
Speaker 1: know what, first of all, this is all I We
Speaker 1: were very happy for all the love. It's just that,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes people they have an online comment and
Speaker 1: it can be a little nasty. And that's why we
Speaker 1: have our friend joining us today. Well that's not really what,
Speaker 1: That's not why. I mean, we we've been getting we've
Speaker 1: been like he because he claims that he's been campaigning
Speaker 1: to be a return guest on the show for months
Speaker 1: and months. I've he's been top of mind for me,
Speaker 1: and you can you can vouch for this, bitch. I've said,
Speaker 1: we need to get Tom back on. We need to
Speaker 1: get Tom back on, and finally and then the stars
Speaker 1: in line and here he is. And it's because there
Speaker 1: there's a momently, there's a moment that's happening right now.
Speaker 1: There's a ground swell. Not that we wouldn't support and
Speaker 1: expose this bitch even if he let me tell you something,
Speaker 1: if he had nothing going on, come on, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens, right. But the thing is he
Speaker 1: has he always has something going on. That's the thing
Speaker 1: with Dylan. It's so frustrating. He always has some ball
Speaker 1: in the air or two or until then. To look
Speaker 1: so cute while he does it too, and to have
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about him, and to have such an
Speaker 1: incredible charismatic aesthetic personality, yes, of course his his His
Speaker 1: whole aesthetic vibe is in his own words, rich white
Speaker 1: woman running errands. You keep wearing us a Dylan Dylan.
Speaker 1: But which Dylan? There are, of course several in the world.
Speaker 1: So of course we are talking about the Webby Award
Speaker 1: winning host of the podcast Conversations with People Who Hate Me.
Speaker 1: You've heard us two ads for it. Oh yes, yes,
Speaker 1: cross promotion has in fact happened. Um also, and this
Speaker 1: is the real gag, because how many people can say
Speaker 1: they have a fucking Ted talk our guests can. If
Speaker 1: you go on to ted dot com, you will find
Speaker 1: turning negative online comments into positive offline conversation with our guest.
Speaker 1: The incredible the resplendent, be charismatic, the debonair, the chisels,
Speaker 1: the well dressed, the stunning, the sexually appealing, the amazing,
Speaker 1: the crucial, the importance, the married. Dylan Marion that you
Speaker 1: were married, because then I make you sound very appealing,
Speaker 1: and then will hunt, the wolves will hunt. I never
Speaker 1: have felt hunted, to be honest, really and well, I
Speaker 1: feel like individually, I feel like people, but I actually
Speaker 1: feel that people, um are are more wolves around me
Speaker 1: when they know that I have a husband. Very no, no, no,
Speaker 1: but it's not in a dirty thing. It's almost like
Speaker 1: I've known what it's like to feel like totally invisible
Speaker 1: in the gay world, and then having a significant other.
Speaker 1: They're sometimes like, oh this is more interesting now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They get bolder when they know they can't have Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I think that tracks you're married, honey. That
Speaker 1: is true. You didn't you didn't have the big one,
Speaker 1: the whole idea of going out there. Yeah. No, I'm
Speaker 1: saying it's it's not that I wanted it, and I
Speaker 1: love We're down um dragging to fill drag and clapped
Speaker 1: back and gay know fag about six seven. Of course,
Speaker 1: we're pulling a reference from the TED Talk. Yes a
Speaker 1: reference from the Ted Can we talk about the instant
Speaker 1: standing ovation? But did your heart explode out? It was
Speaker 1: like really surreal, Um. I wanted to be present for
Speaker 1: that moment, you know what I mean, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: want to like kind of fake a demure like oh
Speaker 1: no me, you know, I'd be like I wanted to
Speaker 1: be like, whoa, thank you? This is so cool. So
Speaker 1: I forced myself in that moment to just stand there
Speaker 1: and look at them and say thank you with my eyes,
Speaker 1: and then I also said thank you with my voice.
Speaker 1: Seven of culture, you gotta thank you with your eyes.
Speaker 1: And I think I don't think there was a drop
Speaker 1: of like saccarin anything in that And in that entire talk,
Speaker 1: it was just you claiming that space and occupying that
Speaker 1: and just telling what you were saying, what you were
Speaker 1: there to say. And I think it's I've watched it
Speaker 1: several times now and it's truly like as I paid
Speaker 1: you to do, as you paid me to do. This
Speaker 1: is a sponsored thing, this is it is a time.
Speaker 1: It is a fucking Tyne daily master class. I say
Speaker 1: Tinan daily because she started master class on the West End,
Speaker 1: oh absolutely, and on the Broadway and then on the Broadway.
Speaker 1: But that's great that you said west End first. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. I feel you know, what I feel
Speaker 1: really good about is that I and I've talked to
Speaker 1: you guys about this both individually off Mike, but let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. I feel like I straddle genre worlds,
Speaker 1: which is to say, I really don't feel like I
Speaker 1: squarely or fully fit into the comedy world, even though
Speaker 1: you've thrived in that space, like like you and Joe
Speaker 1: have like proven yourselves out in that space. Oh you
Speaker 1: mean like with with Richfield well and just in general,
Speaker 1: like like we've done shows together. But no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I I do feel like I've done successful things in
Speaker 1: the comedy world. But I I feel often like when
Speaker 1: I do a show with stand ups and then I
Speaker 1: try and do something of my like when I fully
Speaker 1: do myself, it pays off. But whenever I try to
Speaker 1: like be someone who is in me, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, You're like, let me try something out.
Speaker 1: Maybe I am a stand up, you know, it's like, no, sister,
Speaker 1: you're not. I constantly have that do you feel that?
Speaker 1: I know? And we literally have talked about this off
Speaker 1: off Mike, but like, yeah, I mean, it's it's what
Speaker 1: a weird sort of like existential thing to occupy. Well,
Speaker 1: I would say, remember that those boxes are just in
Speaker 1: our head, you know what I mean. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stand ups out there who won't
Speaker 1: respect you as a stand up unless you Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. Gosh,
Speaker 1: you camp in that world. And that's very much like
Speaker 1: if they feel that way and justified feel in that
Speaker 1: way in their community, that's great. And also like I
Speaker 1: understand the respect of like the work, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And the same thing with sort of like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm from this at world. So when someone
Speaker 1: comes up in the sketch appears in the sketch world,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's not exactly like as academic
Speaker 1: or as classical as some of one else's education, Like
Speaker 1: that does show up a little bit. But here's the
Speaker 1: fucking deal, babe, good is good, And when you have
Speaker 1: something really important and unique and fun to say, that
Speaker 1: comes through anyway. So I think it's actually a gift
Speaker 1: to be able to say, you know, I actually don't
Speaker 1: fit into any of these boxes. I am my own thing,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm interesting and I think that's what
Speaker 1: keeps people coming to you because I hear what you're
Speaker 1: saying about. You know, you've got one foot sort of
Speaker 1: in this like online like social justice world of like
Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like educational and then in other
Speaker 1: world in the comedy world. And you have talked to
Speaker 1: me about sort of like the question of what you
Speaker 1: want and the question of what you are becoming, and
Speaker 1: that's something I think that everyone deals with this absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is interesting. I don't think we ever
Speaker 1: talked about this, but you know, this podcast, the success
Speaker 1: of it is a total surprise to me, to me
Speaker 1: and to you, I think. But but you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I and I think you had what
Speaker 1: you were starting out in one direction. I was kind
Speaker 1: of starting on another. But I was sketched characters, UCB down.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be an actor. I want to be writer.
Speaker 1: I still do. I still am. But this sort of
Speaker 1: um success as a personality, that's different. And I sometimes
Speaker 1: think you can't help what you're becoming or what you're
Speaker 1: good at and what you're meant to do. And I
Speaker 1: think you do have to respond to like what people
Speaker 1: are responding to that you do. Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean like I but and I appreciate all those
Speaker 1: things you said about like I, I do like the
Speaker 1: comedy world, specifically like the people I've met in it,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I just love watching people do
Speaker 1: their thing. But I always felt like like some of
Speaker 1: my stuff is like so serious, like many episodes of
Speaker 1: conversations with people who hate me don't have a single
Speaker 1: joke or laugh at all, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But totally totally, and and I like kind of gravitating
Speaker 1: towards that. I like gravitating towards um. I think just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I know what I want to do, but
Speaker 1: I I get stressed sometimes when it's about fitting it
Speaker 1: into a box, which I think realistically we have to
Speaker 1: talk about that we have to do in our world
Speaker 1: because you know, you have to. People will put you
Speaker 1: into boxes, and especially when you're like, you know, talking
Speaker 1: about new projects. Yeah, they always do. I also feel like,
Speaker 1: and you tell me if you disagree, but it would
Speaker 1: be almost impossible to be as good at everything and
Speaker 1: have every answer and have every skill all the time.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it feels like and I really wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to you about this because after we have Francesca
Speaker 1: on the show last week, Miss Francesco Ramsey and get
Speaker 1: that book. Well that escalated quickly because it's out right now. Um.
Speaker 1: But in the book she talks about how she felt
Speaker 1: almost put on the spot in the beginning when she
Speaker 1: when when she was first thrust into the spotlight to
Speaker 1: have all the answers. And I would think someone in
Speaker 1: your position, who really who started out like pretty much
Speaker 1: doing comedy and then like you found something else and
Speaker 1: found that you were really good at something else, does
Speaker 1: that feel kind of people look at you and I think, well,
Speaker 1: he is the smart figure, and he's intelligent, he has
Speaker 1: all the answers. I was thinking about this so recently,
Speaker 1: but in a different context, which is that when you
Speaker 1: are making social justice content. When you were talking about
Speaker 1: social justice, you were expected to be the expert on everything. Yes.
Speaker 1: And then also and then the really dangerous thing is
Speaker 1: when you are expected to always say something on Twitter
Speaker 1: on social media about anything that has happened, and your
Speaker 1: silence is taken as um, you know, affirmation or or
Speaker 1: a tacit endorsement of this thing that happened. And it's
Speaker 1: like that is so problematic because I think what I've
Speaker 1: actually tried to do more recently because I definitely I
Speaker 1: think I've found a lot of success in fact, in
Speaker 1: making videos like the unboxing series I did. I was
Speaker 1: taking a new topic every single week, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not, you know, bad mouthing. Now I'm
Speaker 1: very proud of that I did that and it's over now.
Speaker 1: But um, I through research, I tried to be a
Speaker 1: momentary and temporary expert on everything, and um, and that's
Speaker 1: impossible because when we try and do these things, as
Speaker 1: everyone now thinks that they're all experts on everything political
Speaker 1: just because they watch Matt Out, you know, but I
Speaker 1: I have so regurgitated talking points because I'm like, well, um,
Speaker 1: I heard this thing, but I'm gonna now repeat it
Speaker 1: as if I've known this all along. I studied this,
Speaker 1: My thesis was on this in college, and it's like,
Speaker 1: no bitch like this for myself super early on. But
Speaker 1: now but but I just think, like what I want
Speaker 1: to instill in people is like, just focus on the
Speaker 1: thing that you really know much about and you actually
Speaker 1: it is impossible to know in depth much about everything, right,
Speaker 1: focus on the one thing. I think that's like and
Speaker 1: and and that's why I like the podcast now, Like
Speaker 1: I think what I'm getting really good at and what
Speaker 1: I'm choosing to focus on. I don't want to say
Speaker 1: whether I'm getting good or bad, because that's up to
Speaker 1: the listeners. What I feel that I'm getting good at
Speaker 1: is communicating with people who think really differently for me,
Speaker 1: and that can I don't have to then also weigh
Speaker 1: in on Russia. Like in fact, I think it is
Speaker 1: so powerful to to acknowledge what you don't know, Um,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? It's important that there's
Speaker 1: a conversation about that too, and I think that that's
Speaker 1: something that's really sort of prevalent in your talk. And
Speaker 1: also because you do say stuff like you know, empathy
Speaker 1: is not endorsement. Um this what you're doing is not
Speaker 1: a call to social activism per se. It's all just
Speaker 1: it's about communication, and I do believe the communication is everything.
Speaker 1: And sometimes that doesn't mean just a communication with other
Speaker 1: people it's whether they're different from you or not, but
Speaker 1: sometimes a communication just with yourself that's just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can I'm self aware enough right now in this
Speaker 1: moment to understand that, like I need to step back,
Speaker 1: and you know, I might not be able to weigh
Speaker 1: in right now. You know, it's just a it's a
Speaker 1: very kind of interesting phase of this discussion that we're
Speaker 1: in publicly. I was just gonna say, also, think about
Speaker 1: the optics of the tools that we have in terms
Speaker 1: of building out Internet content, meaning from the nassent stages
Speaker 1: of vlogging, of youtubeing, a podcasting too. It's like so
Speaker 1: much about like hear my opinion on this thing, and
Speaker 1: I think and that is not to knock the Internet.
Speaker 1: That is not to not content. I we have met
Speaker 1: incredible voices through these new mediums we have I think
Speaker 1: the three of us at this table, the four of
Speaker 1: us in this room, have been able to crack through
Speaker 1: with these new tools. Is that fair to say? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: And but I think think about it like even a
Speaker 1: vlog itself. And again love logs, in fact, I watch
Speaker 1: many of them, but it's like it is a direct
Speaker 1: address to the camera. Um, the Internet did not invent that.
Speaker 1: That's been around forever. But um, there's not necessarily like
Speaker 1: a listening element in that. It's it's let me let
Speaker 1: me talk at at you. You know. Um, I want
Speaker 1: to be super clear, I'm not knocking no, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1: Is that that's I think what you're the reason you
Speaker 1: bring that up is because, um, it just seems sort
Speaker 1: of like, uh, intrinsically explained. But I think what you're
Speaker 1: doing is through the podcast, you're showing people how to
Speaker 1: communicate with people who think differently than them, and that
Speaker 1: sort of intern it's like a movie, a strip manifold
Speaker 1: thing where it's like that loose back it on itself
Speaker 1: in this way where it's like people don't have to
Speaker 1: confront you, in this way that like you know, it
Speaker 1: feels entitled with like that that entitles them to your knowledge,
Speaker 1: like where they're just like, well, Dylan, why don't you know,
Speaker 1: Like why an't you speaking on this thing? It's and
Speaker 1: then that you can just sort of point to the
Speaker 1: podcasts this thing of being like, well I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have to have all the answers. You just
Speaker 1: you just gain this understanding by just talking to people.
Speaker 1: We are right now, and I just want to make
Speaker 1: sure that everyone knows that we're talking about the podcast
Speaker 1: Conversations with People who Hate Me, in which Dylan will
Speaker 1: call up somebody who has posted hateful or negative or
Speaker 1: you know, sort of super highly insensitive, hurtful comment about
Speaker 1: him or or his work or a guest, etcetera. And
Speaker 1: they will have a conversation wherein Dylan asks why they
Speaker 1: posted that thing, and through those conversations often very meaningful
Speaker 1: lessons are learned. And so that's what podcast is. Yes,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure that everyone knows the
Speaker 1: yesse of conversations of conversations. Yeah, um, so yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's a podcast we're talking about just too quickly. Um.
Speaker 1: The thing about like the new tools for the Internet
Speaker 1: is like, the great thing that the Internet has done
Speaker 1: is that it gives so many new people on microphone.
Speaker 1: But I think what we forgot in the shipment of
Speaker 1: a microphone is that everyone else needs like a receiver
Speaker 1: to like for the metaphor, for the metaphor, for the
Speaker 1: extended metaphor. It's actually real of culture number fifty. You
Speaker 1: need to give and received. Yes, okay every medium, Yes,
Speaker 1: in every medium. Um and then um, Matt, my love
Speaker 1: my queen to what you were saying. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: the podcast is about, Um, I'm talking to people and
Speaker 1: it's so funny because all of my guests when I'm
Speaker 1: speaking one on one two people have said something negative.
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, so are we going to debate about
Speaker 1: and I stopped them right there, and I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: not a debate, But isn't that so telling that the
Speaker 1: thing even even my because now that I moderate conversations
Speaker 1: between people and then the people who have sent them
Speaker 1: hateful messages and hate for more negative messages. Um. Even
Speaker 1: my institute guests were like, so it's a debate show,
Speaker 1: and it's so interesting that the only the closest word
Speaker 1: we have to conversation across divide is debate. Like that's
Speaker 1: all we can think of. We think like tear each
Speaker 1: other down, not like conversation is like kind of out
Speaker 1: of the lexicon, because like and shutting down and clapping back.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that is it's unfortunate because Mike
Speaker 1: or maybe I did it. Maybe they're going to be
Speaker 1: Burp Truths Conversations with Burke Truther. Yes, maybe it's my
Speaker 1: next podcast. Thank you, then you sell the I um
Speaker 1: but I UM. It was like saying, like the language
Speaker 1: of the conversation is out of the but that's like
Speaker 1: that's like all we have. I mean, here's a question
Speaker 1: for you guys in your own separate families, because because
Speaker 1: our I don't know that there's much disagreement in our
Speaker 1: community that we exist in professionally together, right, I mean
Speaker 1: there is of course disagreement on drag race well about yes,
Speaker 1: but that's the only real disagreement in the gay community
Speaker 1: between he and I on that's the only one ever.
Speaker 1: I think the gay community is oddly so unified except
Speaker 1: for one weird glitch and I just we just don't
Speaker 1: can't see the only the only two gay people who
Speaker 1: have ever ever disagreed. And I'm sorry, I'm sorry, commune,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry community, but we're tearing from with it yea, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: um is but yeah, Jim Booster tearing from within god
Speaker 1: culture whatever, because then his next album, I Love, I Love.
Speaker 1: But I was just wondering like, like, are you do
Speaker 1: you guys have like difficult Well, let me ask more pointedly.
Speaker 1: You were talking about the lost cultures just commenters, how
Speaker 1: do you read them? Yes? Um so? And are you
Speaker 1: cool to talk about this? Talk about this? And actually
Speaker 1: it's very very I was, we were having conversation about this,
Speaker 1: and it's so funny that you're coming in now because
Speaker 1: over the past six months, like this sort of engagement
Speaker 1: has changed a little bit where now it feels like
Speaker 1: and I'm so thankful and grateful, so everyone engaging, and
Speaker 1: it's so nice and the vast I'm talking night percent
Speaker 1: of the comments are so positive and going, and we
Speaker 1: encourage you to make them. We love when last culture,
Speaker 1: He says, Listeners comment and exchange thoughts about the show
Speaker 1: and every positively, negatively, whatever. But the thing is like
Speaker 1: when someone comes out and says something like, you know,
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers is a problematic bully who never lets anyone
Speaker 1: speak on the show, not Bowen, never mind the guest.
Speaker 1: And he had to stop listening because I can't let
Speaker 1: go of my toxic masculinity from Long Island. It's like,
Speaker 1: remember the whole thing, and I can't. That's all that
Speaker 1: stands out, that's all you. And this is my very
Speaker 1: first um sort And then you know, I'll just go
Speaker 1: ahead and say it. Bowen was speaking truth to something
Speaker 1: that he has experience. So I left an opening for
Speaker 1: people to say some rude things. We'll say what it was.
Speaker 1: So I tweeted yesterday even I said, I posted this
Speaker 1: gift of of Lisa lying just give her saying oh wow.
Speaker 1: And then the tweet was me when a white gay
Speaker 1: follows at Matt Rodgers though, and at lost culture is
Speaker 1: just but not me. It just does like a little
Speaker 1: like sly wink that really carried no weight at all.
Speaker 1: There's a comment on the fact that like there is
Speaker 1: a lot of It was an observation of like it
Speaker 1: just sort of like you know whatever that I mean,
Speaker 1: look at the followings of the disparity and same with
Speaker 1: with queer and talk about all the time and so um.
Speaker 1: You know. So I brought that up and then left
Speaker 1: and left nobody for a lot of people to say, well,
Speaker 1: I don't who, well I don't follow him anyway, Well
Speaker 1: like he like not as a platform to be like
Speaker 1: let's talk about racings right right right, It's like no,
Speaker 1: let's a drag mat And it didn't feel good because
Speaker 1: this is something that Bone and I have conversations with
Speaker 1: where I understand the sort of absolutely understand and completely
Speaker 1: think it's ridiculous that that there's this you know, sort
Speaker 1: of like this kind of like when white gays allow
Speaker 1: themselves to be as capital w capital g white gay
Speaker 1: as they can. It's really gross and it's disgusting and
Speaker 1: I don't like it and I don't like to be
Speaker 1: emblematic of it. You know what I mean, like hearing
Speaker 1: the word and you know, I'll just be very honest
Speaker 1: with you, like the word that freaked me out the
Speaker 1: most about that negative comments was problematic and he said
Speaker 1: some white people things is what the comment said. And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, because that freaks me
Speaker 1: the funk out and it it speaks to um the
Speaker 1: sort of thing that happens when I think you become
Speaker 1: a more public voices. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: scrutiny and uh, like I said, the success of the
Speaker 1: podcast is a total surprise to me, and so there is.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think is my fascination with you know,
Speaker 1: needing to have the answers and needing to be able
Speaker 1: to say the right thing at all times because what
Speaker 1: I'm sort of experiencing. And we actually sat for an
Speaker 1: interview that's UM about queer voices and comedy and queer
Speaker 1: perspective and comedy, and it was the first time I
Speaker 1: think we've really sad for an interview, and I found
Speaker 1: myself like really thinking super fucking hard about what I
Speaker 1: was saying, and like, not that you shouldn't think hard,
Speaker 1: but I'm wondering if like it's got in the way
Speaker 1: of what authentically I wanted to say, or if I'm
Speaker 1: speaking insanely because I'm not thinking clearly. And it's just
Speaker 1: something that, like with you a little bit, just can't have.
Speaker 1: I love social media. I depend on social media for work,
Speaker 1: but like you can't have nuanced conversations on social media.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing. So like if this person,
Speaker 1: I don't know that this person would actually necessarily say
Speaker 1: that to your face, which is literally all but but
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like maybe you'd have a really
Speaker 1: fascinating conversation. It's just that's not a conversation starter, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And if that person, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If that person was a close friend, of course you
Speaker 1: don't you talk to them about it. And and this
Speaker 1: is kind of what's frustrating about like clap backs on
Speaker 1: social media, like the snarkier you are and dangerously for
Speaker 1: our world or you know the world that uh, you
Speaker 1: guys definitely occupies like the funnier it is, like you
Speaker 1: know that you know that um cartoon that's floating around
Speaker 1: like um, it's a it's it's it's a New Yorker
Speaker 1: style cartoon and the father is comforting his son, and
Speaker 1: he says, son, if you don't have anything nice to say,
Speaker 1: make sure it's devastating. Do you know what I mean? Like, um,
Speaker 1: make sure it's it's something in devastating. And it's like that,
Speaker 1: that's what social media is. It's like you're if you
Speaker 1: say something mean and you're not funny about it, it's awful.
Speaker 1: But if you say something mean and it's funny, it's like,
Speaker 1: well they got him there, and it's like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: still you can also be hilarious and just not be an.
Speaker 1: I also just want to make very clear it was
Speaker 1: a few comments, but it was like you had over
Speaker 1: of something that was small, and so I would be
Speaker 1: insane and to think that, like I'm actually facing adverse.
Speaker 1: Know your mind does that, your mind, my mind does
Speaker 1: this all the time. I'm sure your never very balance never.
Speaker 1: Um So this is just really I'm not in therapy.
Speaker 1: Absolutely love my therapist. I love my therapist. Um well,
Speaker 1: but it's it's like it's the same thing. It's also
Speaker 1: the same thing in negative feedback in life, like when
Speaker 1: if five people can say like, wow, that you were
Speaker 1: incredible up there, and then one person is like, I
Speaker 1: didn't love it that much. That suck. I'm a trash
Speaker 1: monster and I'm going to go be the queen of
Speaker 1: the trash. Yeah, head bobs. Yeah yeah, there's a head bob.
Speaker 1: It's but it is, it is, It is very true.
Speaker 1: It's it's just I think a better conversation is just
Speaker 1: like the boldness that people feel when they are uh
Speaker 1: just detached from the comment and how it affect someone. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing, and you were saying, how like that
Speaker 1: comment was like represented, um, you know whatever unearned way
Speaker 1: people feel like they can approach you. But I think
Speaker 1: it's it's going back to a dylancing. Is that that
Speaker 1: common represents how there's no there's just no tenor to
Speaker 1: any conversation here. There's no conversation here. It's just this
Speaker 1: culture of well I'm gonna fucking o that, and then
Speaker 1: you know it's just not I mean, where do you go.
Speaker 1: There's nowhere to start except to go back and recede
Speaker 1: into Okay, well let's actually have a conversation, which is
Speaker 1: what I'm I was thinking about this all day leading
Speaker 1: up to tonight. Um, because we talked to Francesco last
Speaker 1: week and she has this whole great part in her
Speaker 1: book where she talks about calling out and that's what
Speaker 1: we can talk about that. But then she she has
Speaker 1: these anecdotes about the times when she has given her
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote haters the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 1: and just like you know, tried to open up conversations
Speaker 1: with them and tried to let them in. And you know,
Speaker 1: she's she's running to like this troll online at conferences
Speaker 1: who like was very gravelly an apologize to her and
Speaker 1: was like, please forgive me. You know, you seem great.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to, you know, say these uncouth things
Speaker 1: about you. And she was like, okay, fine, well, like
Speaker 1: you know, I'll I'll forgive you. I'll give you a
Speaker 1: second chance. But then it always ended up being something
Speaker 1: and he was like we're best friends, etcetera, etcetera. Wow,
Speaker 1: everything's great, and she was like, hold on, now he
Speaker 1: gets like a free pass for everything, and and now
Speaker 1: he's using me as a prop to you absolve him
Speaker 1: of all this stuff and ends up getting worse. Well,
Speaker 1: I think just in the same way that like, well,
Speaker 1: the the question, like the actual core of what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to ask is like where like what is the
Speaker 1: what is is there a danger? And even just in
Speaker 1: like initiating that conversation in the first place, like about
Speaker 1: seeing through some hateful thing and just trying to start
Speaker 1: from some common ground. But then like it also but
Speaker 1: just making the situation was I mean, but there are
Speaker 1: there are many episodes in the podcast where there's no resolution,
Speaker 1: you guys, just well that's what I say. It's like
Speaker 1: not necessarily common ground podcts. Sometimes the only common ground
Speaker 1: is that we're like on the phone at the same time. Imagine, yeah,
Speaker 1: like we're adhering to the same clock, and we have
Speaker 1: agreed to be on the phone together, um, and that
Speaker 1: we've consented to recording. But um, I to that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can only speak to my experiences, but you have
Speaker 1: to you can only be really speaking to people who
Speaker 1: earn your time, you know, Like and I it's pretty
Speaker 1: self selective in my podcast because when you get to
Speaker 1: like the point where people are like, yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: on the phone with you. Um, yes, I'm cool that
Speaker 1: we're recording. Yes, I'm going to be vulnerable with you
Speaker 1: about me and who I am, so that you can
Speaker 1: be vulnerable with you and who you are. That passes,
Speaker 1: that passes through so many filters, So like I'm not
Speaker 1: getting people who ever feel abusive. I'm still in touch
Speaker 1: with almost all my guests. I was going to ask
Speaker 1: you that because I have a question. So basically, you know,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, I'm sitting here thinking like this
Speaker 1: really is applicable to I think everyone that's on social media,
Speaker 1: because we're all having exchanges, We're all exchanging ideas, and
Speaker 1: sometimes those things start uh sort of negatively or they
Speaker 1: go awry based on like a misunderstanding, and it can
Speaker 1: almost feel like this is like an impossible mountain to climb.
Speaker 1: So I would ask you, or my question for you is,
Speaker 1: what is your goal with the podcast? Like what do
Speaker 1: you want the podcast to achieve? Because it can almost
Speaker 1: feel sometimes like God, because of the nature of social media,
Speaker 1: how are we going to get over this? How are
Speaker 1: we going to start getting to a place where universally
Speaker 1: we don't this doesn't happen anymore. And maybe that's not
Speaker 1: literally not achievable, so it's not the goal. But what
Speaker 1: is the goal? Like, what do you get out of it?
Speaker 1: What do you want the listeners to get out of it?
Speaker 1: In general, so when we get those comments on social media,
Speaker 1: it can feel so scary, like the walls feel for me,
Speaker 1: the walls feel like they're just closing in on me, right,
Speaker 1: similar to similar to you, I'm like, I'm only going
Speaker 1: to focus on the negative, never the positive. The calls
Speaker 1: themselves feel amazing to me. I feel like the world
Speaker 1: is an amazing place. Everything is possible. Look at us.
Speaker 1: No one's going to change their mind in the course
Speaker 1: of an hour long phone call. No one, No radically right,
Speaker 1: you can't undo decades of the way people think. But
Speaker 1: like it's a start, right, So I see the podcast.
Speaker 1: My goal with the podcast is like, this is just
Speaker 1: a seed. I am carving out a space where there
Speaker 1: can be nuanced conversations that come from spaces on the Internet.
Speaker 1: But it's also a podcast, so it depends on the internet,
Speaker 1: so it is a space on the internet as well.
Speaker 1: And I also think and I've kind of like, um,
Speaker 1: I'm essentially have tailored this answer because of what I
Speaker 1: see people use it for. But so many people use
Speaker 1: it to like gain courage to have their own conversations,
Speaker 1: whether it's with their parents, or whether it's with their
Speaker 1: siblings or you know, family members, um, people who have
Speaker 1: said their own things. And I'm very clear that it's
Speaker 1: like I'm only talking to people I feel safe with.
Speaker 1: I am not talking to people who have sent me
Speaker 1: death threats. I am not talking to people who have
Speaker 1: not earned my time. I'm talking like and and surely
Speaker 1: we must. We must distinguish between someone who calls me
Speaker 1: a piece of ship and someone who tells me to
Speaker 1: says well, or someone who says that they're going to
Speaker 1: kill me. You know, like, um, yeah, I mean there
Speaker 1: there is a distinction. There's a there's a difference there.
Speaker 1: So it's about promoting conversation. It's promoting conversation, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's and it's like I just want to show
Speaker 1: to you know, our listeners, which is a small slice
Speaker 1: of the world. I want to show like conversation across
Speaker 1: difference doesn't have to be a debate, and you also
Speaker 1: don't have to compromise your own deeply held beliefs. Right,
Speaker 1: even even in early recording, empathyist no endorsement. Even in
Speaker 1: early recordings of the podcast, I was thinking, like, how
Speaker 1: do I like shut down what they're saying? Right, And
Speaker 1: it's like, of course I get that inclination, because if
Speaker 1: you hear something you disagree with, we are trained like
Speaker 1: shut it down. And I think there is real value,
Speaker 1: especially in a public platform, to identify what you disagree
Speaker 1: in about something. But like why just why shut it down?
Speaker 1: I think it's so much more valuable to listen to
Speaker 1: why they think what they think, meaning like I fully
Speaker 1: disagree with it, but what is driving this? Like that
Speaker 1: is how we're going to like get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of it. So when people ask me what they need
Speaker 1: to prepare for the podcast, I'm like, well, you're the
Speaker 1: expert on you already, Like I'm going to be asking
Speaker 1: you about why you think this. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be asking you about FBI statistics and how that plays
Speaker 1: into like life right now, because like, unless you conducted
Speaker 1: those FBI statistics and can tell me why you were
Speaker 1: inspired to do that, I want to hear about why
Speaker 1: you're the type of person who you know, um, who
Speaker 1: who believes that trans people shouldn't be in the military exactly. Um,
Speaker 1: just I want to say that you should book. I'm
Speaker 1: an FBI statistician. Yes, yes, yes, FBI statisticians listening. They're
Speaker 1: they're all listening. Um, well, guys, it's a Webby Award
Speaker 1: winning podcast. It's it's it's phenomenal. Another question, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: sounds like you're wrapping up with it. Sounds like you
Speaker 1: are on your hiking backpack and headed to the woods.
Speaker 1: You asked, I have one of questions because when I
Speaker 1: was watching the Ted Talk and you know, you explained
Speaker 1: that there was what the very first example you give
Speaker 1: josh um he was going to be graduated high school.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask. I was wondering, is a theme
Speaker 1: that these are young people? Or no, there's no theme,
Speaker 1: and this is this is there's no theme, and this
Speaker 1: is what I always tell people. It's like a yeah,
Speaker 1: so anywhere what I want to want. This is at
Speaker 1: the end of Mean Girls, Tina Fe was like, do
Speaker 1: I say the limit does not exist? Or there is
Speaker 1: no theme? And they went that's what Lauren said in
Speaker 1: the notes. Um. But um, it's so funny because people,
Speaker 1: mostly people who really don't listen to the podcast, say
Speaker 1: talk about these people, right like, I can't believe you
Speaker 1: talk to these people. And I always stop them and
Speaker 1: I say, well, there's no such thing as these people.
Speaker 1: They're actually all different and we can't fit them into
Speaker 1: a narrative. And I understand why we say these people
Speaker 1: because I was saying these people when I was just
Speaker 1: getting the comments like fully understandable, but like when you
Speaker 1: dig a little deeper, like everyone has a totally different
Speaker 1: reason for reaching out, and everyone is totally different. And
Speaker 1: some people have never made an internet common effort and
Speaker 1: this is their first, you know. And some people this
Speaker 1: is what they do. They rail against people on the Internet,
Speaker 1: and I think it like soothes our brain to think like, oh,
Speaker 1: like these these mean, mean people, and it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: the challenges listening to the podcast is like they're not
Speaker 1: necessarily mean people. Full disclosure. I've reached out to many
Speaker 1: people to be on the show and some people have
Speaker 1: like blocked me immediately and been like can I curse here? Yes,
Speaker 1: I wonder some fuck you just like I've reached out
Speaker 1: to people and they've been like fuck you, Like this
Speaker 1: is a setup, like get the funk out of my inbox,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, sister, not too nice. Nice Actually
Speaker 1: just attached to an audio gift of you on Luke.
Speaker 1: Um I guess the humble opinion and yeah, imh not
Speaker 1: too nice? Um but I um so yeah, So like
Speaker 1: you're you're hearing the people who like really got there. Um,
Speaker 1: we're opting in and they know what they're going for.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, babes. And I don't mean to
Speaker 1: spoil Dylan's closing line of his whole ted talk, but
Speaker 1: it's truly so fucking gorgeous spoiler that he goes, um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I feel free to comment, call me, call
Speaker 1: me a faget, call me a gay wad, say that
Speaker 1: I'm the worst thing about liberalism. But if I reach out,
Speaker 1: but I might want to talk to you, and if
Speaker 1: you say no, one block me, then you they are
Speaker 1: the snowf Like I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but it's gore
Speaker 1: almost almost exactly right, I think. And I just love
Speaker 1: that you didn't. I love that you whatever. Just take
Speaker 1: this compliment, accept it. I'll take it accepted. It sounds
Speaker 1: kind of gross. I love that you didn't make the
Speaker 1: talk about empathy necessarily, but it's about sort of knowing,
Speaker 1: like knowing your own place in these conversations and having
Speaker 1: that conversation. It's also the fear of empathy. We're so
Speaker 1: scared that we're if we empathize with someone, we're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, no, I am this person support what
Speaker 1: they think, because of course that is what Twitter makes
Speaker 1: you think. Twitter makes you think like, if you see
Speaker 1: the humanity behind someone who disagrees with you, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you might as well be their side. Yourself is a
Speaker 1: prevailing fear as a prevailing theme now is like people
Speaker 1: being like, no, it's not time to say we we
Speaker 1: have empathy for Trump voters, like we're past that point,
Speaker 1: and some commenters on the top of and like, no,
Speaker 1: this doesn't mean I'm going to empathize with Nazis. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa whoa never said like
Speaker 1: nobody ever mentioned that, and like it is going to
Speaker 1: be valuable to us that we distinguish between um, yeah,
Speaker 1: but people who would who would, like you know, endanger you,
Speaker 1: or who who have it out to endanger in people
Speaker 1: who just who who disagree and express that in the
Speaker 1: way we now all express things on the internet, like
Speaker 1: look at look at yourself. I'm I'm gonna own up
Speaker 1: to this, but like the way we I myself have
Speaker 1: expressed things online, it's like, oh, like I would never
Speaker 1: say that in person, and I'm like, oh, I'm a month. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I would say to Donald Trump's face,
Speaker 1: fuck you, but I did want tweet at real Donald
Speaker 1: Trump so like troll, no, no, no, no, I think
Speaker 1: I might, but I don't even use the word troll.
Speaker 1: I specifically don't like to use the word troll because
Speaker 1: like I like to use person first language, and you know,
Speaker 1: person who doesn't agree with Trump, And I think about this,
Speaker 1: but like we always like we say what we would
Speaker 1: do it. It's the same psychology that's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: when I see that person, I'm going to sing pummel
Speaker 1: them and that's so hot you can't see podcast. We
Speaker 1: love masks, energy energy, but though I also do feel like,
Speaker 1: just for the record listeners, I feel like what I
Speaker 1: really looked like was a muppet. So yeah, but I
Speaker 1: um uh. It's mentality of saying like, oh, when I
Speaker 1: see this person, I'm going to see you outside, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna suck you up. I've never said that. I've
Speaker 1: never been said that too, but it's that thing where
Speaker 1: you lose your spinest students, like yeah, and then it's
Speaker 1: like it's like so when we say things like oh
Speaker 1: my god, if I ever met Trump, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, actually, like think through it, like if
Speaker 1: you actually were invited to the White House, Like what
Speaker 1: would you say? How how would you like? Meaning also,
Speaker 1: if you start saying things, you will be escorted out.
Speaker 1: Sorry about it, but like, how how will you express
Speaker 1: like I see this country as in need of a
Speaker 1: different kind of leadership? How can I help you? Do?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like it's just all of
Speaker 1: that fades away actually in front of the person. I
Speaker 1: have a living example of that. We've talked. I thought, um,
Speaker 1: you've heard my Trump story. I went to I went
Speaker 1: to his That Center episode which was just like it
Speaker 1: just it just happened. And then at the after Trump
Speaker 1: and Trumpee, and then at the after party, Trump leaves
Speaker 1: and I like, get out of his way, and then
Speaker 1: I'm ship faced and he's leaving. Billy Riley leaves and
Speaker 1: then Donald Trump follows him, and I go, great show
Speaker 1: tonight comment of the President on his comedy, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean listen, it is. It is. And that is like
Speaker 1: an extreme example. It's also like using Donald Trump. I mean,
Speaker 1: but like but it's the same thing. It's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm gonna own him and someone's gonna be
Speaker 1: filming it and I'm gonna really own him on camera.
Speaker 1: But like imagine if that were on camera, I mean,
Speaker 1: I would I would like share that with the world,
Speaker 1: like me being a fucking idiot. Well or it's just
Speaker 1: like it's just like we we get to be my
Speaker 1: dealized version of ourselves, some idealized version of ourselves, and
Speaker 1: I and and sometimes that's good. Like honestly, I'm going
Speaker 1: to own up to it. I feel like an idealized
Speaker 1: version of myself on Instagram. I mean, were we all
Speaker 1: self edit? Yes, but on like what if we're being
Speaker 1: the the like bad idealized versions of ourselves when it's
Speaker 1: like only the nasty rises to the top and only
Speaker 1: the cutting rises to the top. And I just think,
Speaker 1: like there are ways, there are so many ways we
Speaker 1: think that to be entertaining and to be funny, we
Speaker 1: have to be mean, right, Um. And it's like you
Speaker 1: can also have incisive political commentary that isn't a takedown,
Speaker 1: but we don't even know what that looks like, right, Um?
Speaker 1: How can we talk about sociological issues without like totally
Speaker 1: fucking owning someone for this awful thing that they've done? Um?
Speaker 1: And so yeah, so I I you know, met my
Speaker 1: sweet queen to like go back to your question. The
Speaker 1: goal I see it as is like I want to
Speaker 1: create a space where where there aren't takedowns. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we should probably change I don't think so Honey to babe,
Speaker 1: I have a suggestion, no, no, no, I love. I
Speaker 1: don't think so Honey that, I mean that's art. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't change art, you can't trained are well. I
Speaker 1: don't think so Honey isn't necessary. I see, I've thought
Speaker 1: about this a long time. I'm like, are we just
Speaker 1: like building this whole thing around negativity? And that's like
Speaker 1: the fire like that's yes. And also I think my
Speaker 1: favorite I don't think so Honey's like, are are like
Speaker 1: um kind of commentary on is ms? Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like my favorite, I don't think so
Speaker 1: Honey's And you know I'm on record. And then my
Speaker 1: first time on this podcast was a person that I
Speaker 1: don't think it's okay we all have all for where
Speaker 1: is where is your ally ship? For Black Lives Matter?
Speaker 1: When you were so, do you feel that it's come? No?
Speaker 1: Because I brought up Antel Dann it was like what
Speaker 1: about Angel? Dana was about Trayvon Martin and Dylan said no,
Speaker 1: there needed to be something more over and I was like, yes, well,
Speaker 1: also just like she released that in sixteen, Trayvon Martin
Speaker 1: was killed. Like it's just like has had time to
Speaker 1: congeal where that doesn't feel I mean Trayvon Martin and
Speaker 1: and um, you know the story of Trayvon will always
Speaker 1: be relevant. But I'm just saying, like, devastatingly he is not,
Speaker 1: um the most recent example. That's horrible to say, but
Speaker 1: he's not. It's horrible to say that. She has plenty
Speaker 1: of material to go off. But but I know, I
Speaker 1: I really, I really love I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, listeners, you don't know this. I am
Speaker 1: like sycophantic when it comes to you, guys. Know I
Speaker 1: do Like after every live show, I text you to
Speaker 1: tell you how incredible it was. I tell you how
Speaker 1: much I love this podcast. I really like. I'm tickled
Speaker 1: by you, guys. Like, just I'm being paid. This is
Speaker 1: a sponsored I know this already. Um, this is a
Speaker 1: sponsor that I'm paying you with the money that you
Speaker 1: paid me to watch your Ted talk about. Yes, I
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Speaker 1: Did they give you that trip for free? And you
Speaker 1: did a sponsor thing today? I just like that shirt. No,
Speaker 1: she gave me the shirt for free and I was
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Speaker 1: She's fantastic. Um, she's a purveyor of Asian um. You know, cute,
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Speaker 1: this for free and I was like, oh my god, guy,
Speaker 1: and she didn't tell me to do anything. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna wear this, I'm gonna post I'm
Speaker 1: gonna post up on this because it's and I'm promoting.
Speaker 1: I got a cute box from World of Wonder, Oh
Speaker 1: Wonder girl. They approached me and they said, you would
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Speaker 1: And I got Sasha Valore playing cards. It's awesome. I
Speaker 1: didn't get it in the World the Wonder. You're in
Speaker 1: the doghouse with b I don't think, well, I'm allowed
Speaker 1: to have a nice box. Sure, Um, I love it.
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Speaker 1: say that louder say that last one. I want to
Speaker 1: know what returned to guess. And you know, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of controversy online with Pat Regan and his
Speaker 1: obsession with being Last Culturesa's first return guests. Pat needs
Speaker 1: to set the funk down. His Last Culture Rasas Icon
Speaker 1: award is in serious jeopardy right now. That's going to
Speaker 1: strike a chord with the listeners because he has a
Speaker 1: quote unquote fan favorite. As disgusting as that is, that
Speaker 1: you would endorse his behavior. But all I'm saying is
Speaker 1: Pat Regan, he better check herself. He better check herself.
Speaker 1: I want to ask Dylan a question we should ask
Speaker 1: her because they've already answered the question what is the
Speaker 1: culture that makes you think culture is for you? I
Speaker 1: want to ask Dylan, what is the culture that makes
Speaker 1: you say, right now, culture is amazing? Wow? What is
Speaker 1: which is another way to ask, what is culture that
Speaker 1: you love right now? What's your media diet? Take that
Speaker 1: anywhere you want? Oh my god, Um, I just saw
Speaker 1: the Ruth Bader Ginsberg document. I got a lot c G.
Speaker 1: Oh that is my media diet RBG O MG. Listen.
Speaker 1: I am like fully acknowledging that I like earnest Ship
Speaker 1: and God for Thank God for earnest Ship. Like literally
Speaker 1: that you like Sally Field. Yeah, I love Sally Field,
Speaker 1: but like I have cried every single time I've seen
Speaker 1: the eighth Grade trailer. Okay, oh my god, I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see that. Actually, I n ironically love the
Speaker 1: troice Savan has a song about Bob. Yes, I bloom
Speaker 1: just for you. I love the trailer for the Mr.
Speaker 1: Rogers document. I love you know what I live for
Speaker 1: in culture right now? That Mr Rogers is having a
Speaker 1: cultural renaissance, And I love Mr Rogers. I love um
Speaker 1: he ran a whole fucking town out of his house.
Speaker 1: I wonder how much that people were paying and rent,
Speaker 1: I know, the puppets. In terms of the landlord perspective, drag,
Speaker 1: he might have been a great drag. I think he
Speaker 1: was a great landlord. I would, I would, I would,
Speaker 1: I would imagine him as a great landlord. Um, what
Speaker 1: is the culture you're loving right now? Oh, she's deflecting
Speaker 1: and turning the question back. And no, she answered, and
Speaker 1: is opening the floor to the opinions of people I love.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that album is incredible, untouchable, untouchable. Wait
Speaker 1: really quickly, I want to say that Mr. Rodgers trailer
Speaker 1: documentary trailer played before the Avengers, Like on the first night,
Speaker 1: it was this room for the Avengers. It was it was.
Speaker 1: It was interesting at Alamo. We love Almo, but it
Speaker 1: was just room full of like Broie like comic book folks.
Speaker 1: And um, it played in guys, I mean it just
Speaker 1: it it broke through to all of us. Well, here's
Speaker 1: my fear is that people love you when you're gone.
Speaker 1: Like it's like like you get to be an icon
Speaker 1: unless you're Pat Rigan getting me a kind of word
Speaker 1: raining you get to be an icon when like only
Speaker 1: in retrospect can people really and ironically and fully love you,
Speaker 1: and that's so sad to me. Like I love when
Speaker 1: people love things that are happening right now. Um, like Jelle,
Speaker 1: like Janelle, Yeah, but actually this was gonna be my
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey later, but I'd rather go
Speaker 1: into it now because I'd rather have a discussion about
Speaker 1: It's crazy to me that only like less than two
Speaker 1: million people have watched her Emotion album, like really yeah,
Speaker 1: like no one's watching it on YouTube, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: let me tell you, if Beyonce I did this, we
Speaker 1: the world would be stopped, like forget about if Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift did something like this, Like it's just crazy to
Speaker 1: me that And not to say that she doesn't get
Speaker 1: the credit or the respect that she is due, because
Speaker 1: there are so many people out there that love her
Speaker 1: and I've been loving her, but it's just like this
Speaker 1: work that she's done on this last album and the
Speaker 1: the um I guess she's calling it um Emotion picture. Um.
Speaker 1: It's so good and it just uses so many of
Speaker 1: her incredible, vast talents that I just wanted to get
Speaker 1: the respect and I want the eyes on it that
Speaker 1: it deserves. I love everything about this and I think
Speaker 1: that more people should be watching and listening to it,
Speaker 1: and I've never understood why she wasn't like a bigger,
Speaker 1: mainstream deal. And then someone said to me, well, there's
Speaker 1: too many hooks in her songs, and I was like,
Speaker 1: said that there's too many hooks in her songs. I
Speaker 1: was like, too many hooks in a pop song? No bit,
Speaker 1: go back to school? Can you just imagine? And it
Speaker 1: won't happen, but can you imagine her super Bowl halftime performance? Now?
Speaker 1: It will be incredible? And also she's so fucking good
Speaker 1: at everything. She's an amazing actor, very good um, and
Speaker 1: there's acting in Have you watched the Emotion Picture? Yes? See.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, that you don't have forty
Speaker 1: six minutes. I'm a monster. I'm gonna watch it now
Speaker 1: tonight because I feel shamed. You clapped back. You just
Speaker 1: raised your arm high in the air as do But
Speaker 1: don't you tried to hit me? Don't you lord this? Oh?
Speaker 1: I saw dirt a computer. I saw the Emotion picture. Honey.
Speaker 1: I've been in on the ground floor with Janelle since then.
Speaker 1: You would have put minutes in and respected huh. I
Speaker 1: think it's amazing. Everyone's talking about Donald Glover. But now
Speaker 1: don't just move on because there's only room for one icon.
Speaker 1: Right now, let's talk about Janelle as well. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about everybody. Everybody can can do that. Um. Speaking of which,
Speaker 1: another thing I'm living foreign culture is just lean away
Speaker 1: and she was killed. She was serving you it all
Speaker 1: at the metal Oh my god, let's chat about the Metcal.
Speaker 1: Do you guys live for the metgal? Is that like
Speaker 1: a staple for you? Um? Like? I have complicated feelings
Speaker 1: about that. As a comedian, I fucking I'm obsessed with
Speaker 1: the metal because I think the concept of it is
Speaker 1: so fucking funny, and I think one of the funniest
Speaker 1: bits that happens every year is John Early talking about
Speaker 1: what the themes of the medical got. I mean, just
Speaker 1: like go to his recent like tweets and Richard Jenkins,
Speaker 1: the theme of the mecal is just dot dot dot.
Speaker 1: He's just got so many jokes. It's but it's just
Speaker 1: the most it's the It's I normally hate non sequitory
Speaker 1: humor where it's like a random thing, but it's this
Speaker 1: is like nonsecretary humor just sort of perfect. But it's
Speaker 1: not nonsequitary humor in that you still like it's it's
Speaker 1: also sort of commenting on the pretentiousness of this thing,
Speaker 1: that it is all these sort of like already pretentious
Speaker 1: things like sort of right, and it's just only following
Speaker 1: it as such as the dress they already want to wear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I also love nonsequito humor. Yeah, okay, well I don't
Speaker 1: think Well he tried to hit me when you problematic
Speaker 1: white pose my white tears raised his arm. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: try to hurt me. Let's talk about lead away. She
Speaker 1: certainly wore a great fucking what would you call that
Speaker 1: a cape cap? Honey would call it one baby girl throw.
Speaker 1: I sometimes call anything I'm wearing over my t shirt
Speaker 1: a throw. Say that HPJ thought that was funny, not accurate.
Speaker 1: I think you're cute, even the flannel a throw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is my throw that I think the throw is
Speaker 1: like just like a velvet blanket you throw into a couch.
Speaker 1: That is the actual correct the patriarchy. I can't have
Speaker 1: a throw. It's my way of protesting to call everything
Speaker 1: a throst. I'm not thinking of shaw at all. Yes,
Speaker 1: I never once thought of shaw. I've only thought of throw. Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: I thought that the best dressed person at the med
Speaker 1: gala was Rihanna, which I know is redundant to say,
Speaker 1: but that's what she always she always why she's the
Speaker 1: co chair, Honey, she's a co chair. My personal favorite
Speaker 1: was Greta. Oh my god, gret overblown nun love outfit.
Speaker 1: Oh so funny, so great. Todd gasped when I when
Speaker 1: we when we saw it, because he was like, Honestly,
Speaker 1: when Todd gasps, when Todd that's the name of my
Speaker 1: first novel, When Madonna looks pretty fierce too, but that
Speaker 1: it was okay, but it was fun. Who was really
Speaker 1: first thought and boring. The person who like raised such
Speaker 1: as a dumb middle finger for me was Kendall Jenner,
Speaker 1: just showing up in like a white like whatever, just
Speaker 1: like so nondescripts like and she was just you could
Speaker 1: tell she was being smug about I was like, Kendall,
Speaker 1: stick to the theme. I'll tell you something. Who is
Speaker 1: like so, another member of her family who is like so,
Speaker 1: it's almost like you. Tina Fame makes a stunt that
Speaker 1: you could make her in a lab like, but Kim Kardashian,
Speaker 1: it's so insane. The proportions of everybody. Her waist is small.
Speaker 1: Her like hips are so her ass is huge. She
Speaker 1: is an hour glass. She's a walking hour glass. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's like witchcraft of wizardry that goes into making
Speaker 1: her what she is all the juda day. But the
Speaker 1: thing is, oh my god, she is. She's got she's
Speaker 1: got a body like an hour glass. To quote Jesse
Speaker 1: J yeah, six more like forty eight sixty eight. That
Speaker 1: any normal? That's how that see what I did there?
Speaker 1: I loved a little bit bigger, loved it, very good,
Speaker 1: very non secuity humor sequitor that's context y. Yeah, Dylan
Speaker 1: would say you about non sequitary hum I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just like, I don't know, and I
Speaker 1: just I like it when it tickles me and then
Speaker 1: I know. I just I don't think that anyone is
Speaker 1: saying that non sequitar humor is like acceptable all the
Speaker 1: time time. But I'm just saying I do love a
Speaker 1: good non sequitur. Yeah. I also love a good strongly
Speaker 1: played games. Sometimes when someone is like and then a
Speaker 1: bear with wazers came out, was oh that was, oh
Speaker 1: my god. Imagine a bear with lasers h J everyone
Speaker 1: bow and one, oh, no hand against if not to
Speaker 1: be too self returning. But I think Patti's Ellen Degenera
Speaker 1: story was like a master class in how to like
Speaker 1: be amazing and nonsecuity that was I see, I don't
Speaker 1: I wouldn't don't know if you wouldn't call that non
Speaker 1: s because we all we did was set a world
Speaker 1: for her, and she filled the world in her own way,
Speaker 1: and so it was grounded as surreal from the very
Speaker 1: what would you call nonsecuitary humor, I say non scutary humor.
Speaker 1: ADVI just said, Oops, a diamond just fell out of
Speaker 1: my little ass. That's funny. Told you I'm the New
Speaker 1: York City and perhaps the universe is premier non secretary
Speaker 1: comedian an end prem listen just fell out of my eyes.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna laugh about that all the way home. Bowen
Speaker 1: just lifted his whole leg far up to the sky
Speaker 1: and he whispered to me, See, but this is a
Speaker 1: strongly played a game. That's the third beat in a series,
Speaker 1: and I guess what, I won't do it again, Oh,
Speaker 1: don't do it for Matt thinks of himself as a
Speaker 1: little Patty Harrison. Now you know, I would never claim
Speaker 1: to be as funny as Patty. I would claim to
Speaker 1: be more beautiful. Okay, passionately that's what I call her.
Speaker 1: Do you guys know she's passionate? Why would you tell her?
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you just call her her name? Because passion
Speaker 1: new is the endearing phrase I'd like to call her.
Speaker 1: When they were coworkers, we were co workers, had a job,
Speaker 1: they held insurance. You know what I called many things.
Speaker 1: Don't you worry my cobra is about to rent? Yeah,
Speaker 1: health interns is terrifying to me. Yeah, for sure. It's
Speaker 1: the only reason why I still do certain things. Are
Speaker 1: you guys guilded little babies? No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not by any means. We're builded. But we don't make
Speaker 1: enough money in the guild too. So that's my scary thing.
Speaker 1: Like I was scared to like pay to become a member.
Speaker 1: This very inside baseball. I apologize, but um, it's it's
Speaker 1: scary to pay all that money and then like I
Speaker 1: always have to make enough money too. Well. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a common misconception is that people think when you're in
Speaker 1: the union or whatever that you're just like protected by
Speaker 1: the union, but you have to make a certain amount
Speaker 1: of money. And SAG and the Writer's Guild and all
Speaker 1: that stuff too, in order to benefit from all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So but we and we are not there yet. One
Speaker 1: of us is probably closer than the other because one
Speaker 1: of us. It's so funny Dylant books at all and
Speaker 1: that is oh my god, he's gonna hurt me. He
Speaker 1: just took his big paying us out and he's he
Speaker 1: there's a spike on the tip and he said, I
Speaker 1: am the Ellen this week. Yeah I did say that. Um, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that when you're especially close to someone?
Speaker 1: This is something that happens with me. When I'm especially
Speaker 1: for someone, I feel like a special kinship to them,
Speaker 1: I will commonly make up a name for them. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Example, Yeah, that's what I just said. Um,
Speaker 1: that was what you just exemplified. I um, passion, new Passion,
Speaker 1: New is Patty. Okay, yeah we heard that. Bonina Bonina
Speaker 1: Jackson Jones. Well I called Bob. But yeah, I love that,
Speaker 1: and it's you, of course, all the things I've Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring this up because I feel like
Speaker 1: there are ones that I wanted to try out with you.
Speaker 1: I am just got your number. This is sad ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, I gave my umber the very
Speaker 1: first day I was born. Oh took the off. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hear those popped pas, Matthew R not even my name. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a start, but we're starting with Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: it's a game. Well, let's go. Let's hear the names
Speaker 1: that you want to tell me. I'm just well, there
Speaker 1: was actually something else that I wanted to bring up.
Speaker 1: This is my own non secretary, but it's not humor.
Speaker 1: You got my number, rama drama. I sent you guys
Speaker 1: a YouTube video song shut up of a song that
Speaker 1: I love. I have a confession of name. Neither of
Speaker 1: you listen to it. I have a confession to make,
Speaker 1: and this is for anyone in my life. If you
Speaker 1: send me a YouTube video in my texts, it will
Speaker 1: open the YouTube app if you have it when you're
Speaker 1: in wife, and then you can watch it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't really. I don't do the thing like
Speaker 1: like even in Instagram, d M or whatever, like what
Speaker 1: have you like? If you send me a video like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's something about me, it's something weird,
Speaker 1: like it's problematic, it's problematic. I just don't always listen
Speaker 1: it to them. Right then, and there, like, if you
Speaker 1: send me a video, you gotta give me a little bit. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: and I sent it to you because you are arbiters
Speaker 1: of culture and people. I am in respect. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I like it, And yeah, she's great, it's great. It's
Speaker 1: just a song that no one here is because I'm
Speaker 1: watching something in culture that I guarantee you none of
Speaker 1: your listeners are watching what American? I don't know. I've
Speaker 1: seen a couple episodes of it. Can you believe in
Speaker 1: a box? Um? I have to be honest with you, Dylan.
Speaker 1: I don't think that she's as talented as everyone thinks
Speaker 1: she is, and I do think that it should be
Speaker 1: based on I loved her. I actually think who's the
Speaker 1: who's the like? And I look, I'm just gonna say this,
Speaker 1: and you come from me like the wolves that you
Speaker 1: can be out there? Um, I think that, Like I've
Speaker 1: only seen a couple of performances, but then when they
Speaker 1: did Disney Night, I really didn't want to feel this way,
Speaker 1: but I felt that her performance was extremely screaming and
Speaker 1: like I've seen a Circle of Life be done so
Speaker 1: many times so amazingly that I don't understand picking that
Speaker 1: I do understand it as a choice of a drag
Speaker 1: queen to sing and perform. I get it. Vocally, it
Speaker 1: didn't do as much for me as like even that
Speaker 1: lily white blonde girl singing Colors of the Wind, which
Speaker 1: I thought was fucking insane, but she gave a better vocal. Well,
Speaker 1: just like my podcast, there is not necessarily common ground
Speaker 1: to be found here. But I still respect you as
Speaker 1: a person. I respect you too. I just I just
Speaker 1: also like feel that in terms of in terms of
Speaker 1: in terms of in terms of my notes being hit,
Speaker 1: there were more of them, and there were many more
Speaker 1: of them in the other performances. Okay, well, I loved
Speaker 1: all the notes, but I also find it's very problematic
Speaker 1: the way that the voting goes. And this was my
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I mean the Dave Mazony
Speaker 1: episode the Live which I have. It's not just voted
Speaker 1: white people through, that's what that was my I don't
Speaker 1: think one. It was just that it stacks the deck
Speaker 1: for people that are watching live and still have cable,
Speaker 1: it's watching after and it absolutely, oh god, it's unfair.
Speaker 1: It's laughable. When they when they moved to the top
Speaker 1: seven or um what was it when it was literally
Speaker 1: just the only people of color in the bottom? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was what I was saying. I was like, see,
Speaker 1: there's there's it's not it's at a certain point. It's
Speaker 1: like come on, yeah, And if it's and if you know,
Speaker 1: I've always had questions about American Idol and how real
Speaker 1: the results are, that's interesting. Yeah. Completely, Um, it's television show,
Speaker 1: not everything. They need those eliminations that shock people to happen.
Speaker 1: They need that to survive and stay interesting. Um, so
Speaker 1: just think about that. And also, we've had a friend
Speaker 1: go through the American Idol experience in detail how crazy
Speaker 1: it is. On this very podcast. You can listen to
Speaker 1: a vocal eased episode with a man of check when
Speaker 1: you can her all about it. She was on season nine. Um.
Speaker 1: But anyway, when when you're a producer and you see
Speaker 1: that all the people of color are in the bottom,
Speaker 1: you would think like, okay, optics on this are like
Speaker 1: kind of iffy, but let's just give it the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt and say that is the actual bottom
Speaker 1: four or whatever. Then there's something to that. There is
Speaker 1: something to that. And also on the voice, the only
Speaker 1: real artist on the show, her name was Christianna Danielle
Speaker 1: and she's this um sort of black RMB singer, not
Speaker 1: sort of black black black, sort of R and B
Speaker 1: soul singer. And like, um, she's on Alicia Keys's team,
Speaker 1: and she had the lowest vote votes and has been
Speaker 1: getting the lowest votes. But she's the only person doing
Speaker 1: anything relevant musically on the show literally, And then there's
Speaker 1: of course the sea of country singers and it has
Speaker 1: to be up and what are the demographics of these
Speaker 1: voting blocks? Well that's also like I just think like
Speaker 1: American Idol is no longer how we listen to music.
Speaker 1: I just think like there are so many new musicians
Speaker 1: and so many different voices. But I worshiped American Idol
Speaker 1: as a kid. Yeah, yeah, I get that. I mean
Speaker 1: I think we all did. I mean I always whenever anyone,
Speaker 1: whenever we go on other podcasts and they ask what
Speaker 1: was the culture that shaped you? I always mentioned American
Speaker 1: Idol is the thing. Here's the thing with this Christianity
Speaker 1: girl and with all these people and with Ada and
Speaker 1: you know, with these people who deserve to sort of
Speaker 1: make it through. And I said this before. Entertainment is
Speaker 1: presenting things that we already know in the ways that
Speaker 1: we know how to see them. Art is expanding our
Speaker 1: understanding of things that we did not know. Yes, and
Speaker 1: therefore maybe American Idol is not necessarily the place for arts,
Speaker 1: something for entertainment. And you know what, like if if
Speaker 1: the majority of people that are watching American Idol are
Speaker 1: live are white people that like country music, then they
Speaker 1: will get the winner that they want that. I just think,
Speaker 1: like Verry under, what is the biggest winner of all right,
Speaker 1: the most the most lucratively, the most yeah, right right,
Speaker 1: the biggest earning yea or yeah? But you know that
Speaker 1: it's just you call it American Idol. You think it's
Speaker 1: going to represent all of America. It does not do that.
Speaker 1: It is a fabrication of that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it just it depends on how much you accept
Speaker 1: I need to watch that movie. I never saw that movie,
Speaker 1: American Dreams. It wasn't as good as it should. I
Speaker 1: wonder if it's like it was if it was before
Speaker 1: It's time, you know, it's like, yeah, an American Idol satire,
Speaker 1: Like while American Idols was in the like fifth season
Speaker 1: or something, you know, or if it was. I feel
Speaker 1: like there's some way you sort of modernize that now
Speaker 1: where it's like you get to talk about and now
Speaker 1: I think it's a black Mirror episode. It's right. I
Speaker 1: mean that that that is probably what should be done.
Speaker 1: There probably should be a Black Mirror episode about it.
Speaker 1: And there's the there's the Daniel Oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: blank clue clue, yeah, yeah, Daniel kluea um, black mirror episode.
Speaker 1: I have a question, and I'm going to say this.
Speaker 1: It might be popular, might not. He looks much bigger.
Speaker 1: I think he's get a part. I thinks. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but he's amazing, very attractive, very attractive. I just know.
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but notice from get Out to what
Speaker 1: he looked like on SNL. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the
Speaker 1: met gal I was like, oh, he looks much much thick.
Speaker 1: Did you see the announcement for Jordan Peel's movie, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, yeah, I can't wait. Lupeta, I mean Lulu Pepita,
Speaker 1: and I heard um Elizabeth Moss, Elizabeth Moss. So those
Speaker 1: are the two leads. And then but there's another Blackmail
Speaker 1: lead that there. Yes, yes, yes, um, I thought they
Speaker 1: were set. It's the guy who played in Baku and
Speaker 1: Um Black Panther, it's that guy. He's so good. It's
Speaker 1: so good, it's him, Lupeta Do Black Panther stars um
Speaker 1: in this new Jordan Peel movie. And then the Perority tweeted,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what this guy has up
Speaker 1: his sleeve or something in a way that's like, I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see more of this guy. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see another horror movie from him. I was wondering
Speaker 1: if we'd see something different. I'm excited to I'm excited
Speaker 1: that he's sticking with that. Okay, I thought for a second,
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, is like, do I want something else? No,
Speaker 1: this is actually this is what he does. Well No, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. So we've gotten so much from him,
Speaker 1: you know, like Ky and Peel that I'm like, yes, continue.
Speaker 1: The thing about get Out is and that's why I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see his follow up. And they always say,
Speaker 1: especially with someone like that has a big hit like
Speaker 1: get Out, that second picture or that second album or
Speaker 1: that second the sophomore thing is a big deciding factor.
Speaker 1: They'd say it about Real Housewives to Pat Regan famously
Speaker 1: said Real Housewives first Real first season is her second season. Um, well,
Speaker 1: not to give him any credit whatsoever because he's on
Speaker 1: the frist. Sully's the name of this pot absolutely makes
Speaker 1: us worse. Yes, um No, I love you so much.
Speaker 1: I love you passionate. Um I just said, wow, An
Speaker 1: you better, Patty, you are passionate. For What I'm saying though,
Speaker 1: is get Out feels so the child of Jordan Peel
Speaker 1: that I think it's going to be a tall order
Speaker 1: and people are the bar is going to be extremely high.
Speaker 1: He's absolutely smart enough and talented enough. But I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: with somebody like that, it's like, you know, the eyes
Speaker 1: are going to be on the project and people are
Speaker 1: going to be looking for the littlest thing, and I
Speaker 1: just hope that. Um, it's so intimidating, truly. Um it
Speaker 1: already looks I mean, whatever possible success, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like is fucking wild. I can't wait. Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't wait either. I'm very interested to see how
Speaker 1: I'll consume this one, because I am literally so terrified
Speaker 1: movies like that. But you watched get Out at the
Speaker 1: last possible second, Yeah, I watched. Well, it wasn't that
Speaker 1: I didn't want to see it. It It was that I was.
Speaker 1: I'm just as scared, and so I watched it once
Speaker 1: like from across the room my SAG screener. And then
Speaker 1: once I had seen it once, then I watched it
Speaker 1: very closely, like a numerous times after I shot to
Speaker 1: my family and my dad really liked it. But it's
Speaker 1: the first time I'm watching it. But then I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you, I'm a free for horror movies. See, I
Speaker 1: don't get it. That's why you're not. My husband hates
Speaker 1: horror movie. You're Oh my god, stop. Dylan just tried
Speaker 1: to really hurt me. Dyone just tried to kill me
Speaker 1: with poison, tried to no bullet. I just took a
Speaker 1: knife out of his But I said, I know, I prolapsed,
Speaker 1: my asshole, and there was a knife and God and
Speaker 1: I and I brandished it in front of you, brandish. No,
Speaker 1: I love it. You know who feels attacked HPJ with
Speaker 1: the word pro laps. I'm sorry I didn't like and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Baby. Um it's time for our segment.
Speaker 1: We have a new segment done this segment before has
Speaker 1: done it. It was lovely. I bet you've never had
Speaker 1: a guest who has done this segment Who's in the chair.
Speaker 1: This is true, this is our first Patty whatever passionate. Um.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is I am a guest, a
Speaker 1: returning guest who has already done a voicemail. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so what we're saying is Patty's already done. Guest is
Speaker 1: already done the voice. You know what. The distinction that
Speaker 1: Dylan has is that he literally had the conversations with dumbass.
Speaker 1: No conversation with dumbass who's stupid? Maybe that's maybe that's
Speaker 1: we're talking about projects conversations with MS Who's stupid? I
Speaker 1: think that's the title of that. Conversations with mask Who's stupid?
Speaker 1: Multiple conversation with one dumbass? I guess, can I can?
Speaker 1: I actually requested that not be the title because I
Speaker 1: was aware that when people then search for conversations and
Speaker 1: if it comes with Allen Maren, then we'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: is he just bad mouthing his guests, when really what
Speaker 1: they won't know from the title is a dumbass who stupid?
Speaker 1: Is me? That? How about the title? This is debates
Speaker 1: with this Hoe? Well we'll kick it around fully. I
Speaker 1: fully trust you guys with a with a podcast debate
Speaker 1: title with this debates with this Hoe title of h
Speaker 1: you scrolling it and look at that tiny black Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll look at that stupid little tiny black book. HBJ
Speaker 1: has this whole Well, we'll run debates with this Hope
Speaker 1: by Dylan again as we get closer to I listen, Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: this is well no, no, I was gonna say. Dylan
Speaker 1: has the distinction of being um a guest who submitted
Speaker 1: the voice memo just the prior week and then being
Speaker 1: in the chair. We're really it's like, you know what's
Speaker 1: rich people like or royalty specifically, it's like, please make
Speaker 1: a record for me. You know, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: like please. We're like an award that means like nothing,
Speaker 1: but it's like you, sir, Philip Hiller holds the distinction
Speaker 1: for biggest boat, the biggest boat that is not in
Speaker 1: the currently currently. Yeah, that's it. That's the distinction to So,
Speaker 1: no distinction, no special distinction, whatever. I'm here with this
Speaker 1: whole with conversations with dumbass who's debates with this whole
Speaker 1: play the voice memo. This is a voice memo from
Speaker 1: a dear friend of all of us. Joe fires My god,
Speaker 1: I believe she has UM. I think we didn't prompt
Speaker 1: or anything. She just has um a nighttime routine suggestion.
Speaker 1: So I'll say that and we'll discisten. Hi Bowen, I
Speaker 1: mad Hi Gillen. I don't know if anyone else is there.
Speaker 1: Usually you guys have four people, so I imagine there's
Speaker 1: someone else. I'm so sorry, Hi. Maybe you guys could
Speaker 1: fill it in later. UM. So is Joe Firestone. I
Speaker 1: was just calling in to say hi, UM, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to share with you guys a little nighttime routine
Speaker 1: that I've been really getting into and I think you
Speaker 1: guys would really like it. I think people would really
Speaker 1: watch onto it if they knew that there's like a
Speaker 1: new trendy night time routine. So basically, UM, here's what
Speaker 1: I would recommend if you're thinking, if you get home
Speaker 1: at night and you think, like, man, this sucks, is
Speaker 1: a great Um here's I'll just tell you what I do. Okay,
Speaker 1: So first off, uh, you put frozen chicken nuggets on
Speaker 1: a plate. This doesn't matter what time it is. Minute
Speaker 1: you get home, you put them on there, and you
Speaker 1: put them in the microwave and uh, you know, put
Speaker 1: it in for a minute. And then here's the deal.
Speaker 1: You flip them and then then you put them back
Speaker 1: in the microwave and from for longer. And while that's cooking, Um,
Speaker 1: you gotta take off all your clothes and you put
Speaker 1: on a nightgown. Now this is it's hideous. It's a
Speaker 1: hideous nackgown. It's um. I think I bought it as
Speaker 1: a prop, but now I use it as a piece
Speaker 1: of clothing. It's really it's really ugly, but it's so airy.
Speaker 1: I really recommend getting a nightgown. I know they're not fashionable.
Speaker 1: It's don't you can't have said nobody's gonna want to
Speaker 1: have sex with you. But it's really nice piece a piece.
Speaker 1: So it's a nice piece. It's so you put on
Speaker 1: your nightgown, you put on your slippers. This could be
Speaker 1: any time of night. I'm talking six pm, I'm talking midnight. Whatever,
Speaker 1: okay with me? Okay, ding ding ding. Chicken nuggets are ready.
Speaker 1: You take out the chicken nuggets. Now you stack up
Speaker 1: the chicken nuggets, however many you have, maybe you have four,
Speaker 1: maybe you have ten. Stack them up. Now you gotta
Speaker 1: squeeze as much catch up as you have. The height
Speaker 1: of chicken nuggets, because otherwise it's just not gonna work. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a very healing, very spiritual understand Okay. So
Speaker 1: then what you're gonna do is you're gonna take a
Speaker 1: take a vape that you bought online, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: take a few tokes of that. Now that's gonna really
Speaker 1: unattractive thing to do around people, but it's very important
Speaker 1: you make this exclusive and by that I mean alone.
Speaker 1: So you take a little puff of that. You make
Speaker 1: sure you're just a little too high to understand things,
Speaker 1: but not so high that you start to understand things.
Speaker 1: So we're a little high, you start eating your chicken nuggets.
Speaker 1: You're gonna use all that catch up, don't don't worry
Speaker 1: about it, Okay, So you use to catch up. You're
Speaker 1: in your nightgown and at that point you're gonna turn
Speaker 1: on an episode of Gilmore Girls. It doesn't matter what episode,
Speaker 1: as long as it's before season six. Please God, do
Speaker 1: not go into season six or beyond. It's not worth it.
Speaker 1: Watch something else. So you watch Gilmore Girls and you wonder,
Speaker 1: why did it make this show? Why is it? Why
Speaker 1: am I watching? Um? There's not a lot of answers,
Speaker 1: so don't think too hard after that. I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of um, I don't know. I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of nice to like pretend you're going to stay up.
Speaker 1: This could again anytime, any time after six um, but
Speaker 1: you kind of fall asleep, face down on the couch
Speaker 1: with all the lights on Gilmore Girls still blasting up
Speaker 1: three to four hours later, confused, beyond understanding. You think,
Speaker 1: where am I? Why do I taste chicken nuggets? And
Speaker 1: why am I wearing this sad dress? And then what
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to do is you're gonna turn off
Speaker 1: the lights. You gotta stagger into your bed, and then
Speaker 1: you've got to star fish starfish legs, arms in all directions.
Speaker 1: And at that point you're not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: fall asleep for a while. So at that point I
Speaker 1: would recommend watercolor. Personally, I don't do this stuff, but
Speaker 1: it's like a nightmare. I think that'd be better than
Speaker 1: what I usually do. That's kind of where I'm still
Speaker 1: working on it. Anyway. I just thought this could be.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people work on face masks,
Speaker 1: and you know, meditation, and this this has been this
Speaker 1: is very successful. Another option if you're not so into
Speaker 1: the watercolors just well, I'll be honest about what I
Speaker 1: like to do. Turn on to fill fill the fill
Speaker 1: a bathtub with hot water, and lay face down. Again,
Speaker 1: it's not for everybody, and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people would probably like the bath if it was faced up,
Speaker 1: but it's important to be face down. And you're not
Speaker 1: gonna have enough room for both your legs and your
Speaker 1: top to stay warm, so you have to choose, and
Speaker 1: I choose a top, so the peaks of my ass
Speaker 1: on top of the water and untouched and fry, and
Speaker 1: the legs play up like a dolphin. Well, anyway, thinking
Speaker 1: of you guys, um I really love your podcast. I
Speaker 1: really love you guys as human beings. And I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope just helps you have a nice night. Sometimes
Speaker 1: nights can be hard. Okay, I love you. Okay, I
Speaker 1: was that was a voice memory, but from Joe with
Speaker 1: the lifestyle alert, you don't know, should we reach out
Speaker 1: like it sounds like she's going through a hard time. Listen,
Speaker 1: I feel like we all can have troubles falling asleep
Speaker 1: and Joe was just looking up for us. Um Yo,
Speaker 1: I was on board for the whole thing up until
Speaker 1: like the water colors. That was when she lost me.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't really do water colors, but
Speaker 1: I I will, you know, pop a plate of chicken
Speaker 1: nuggets or whatever the vegetarian option is. Dylan say, tan nugget, State,
Speaker 1: Tan nuggets, Hail state, Tana. Stop. But you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't think you should judge. I don't think you
Speaker 1: should judge people disagree with you. What you might not
Speaker 1: know about my history with Joe Firestone is that we
Speaker 1: live for a year on my childhood bunk bed. You
Speaker 1: guys hooked up. Yeah, you brought the furniture down from
Speaker 1: your childhood apartment. No what, because we lived together. I
Speaker 1: took a semester off senior year of college to travel
Speaker 1: around the country with a play that Joe and I
Speaker 1: wrote together. You couldn't afford to live on our own,
Speaker 1: so we lived with my mom on the bunk beds
Speaker 1: that I grew up them. That's beautiful. And look at
Speaker 1: the glow up and look at the glow up, honey,
Speaker 1: Oh my own apartment now with a mantle with a mandel.
Speaker 1: I've seen. I've seen the pictures. I haven't been hearing
Speaker 1: your place. I would love for you guys to come.
Speaker 1: It's about the size of this room. That's beautiful summer
Speaker 1: hang less less. I think my new studio apartment is
Speaker 1: the size of this room. I'll ask you off Mike point.
Speaker 1: I've said it before. Invite all my friends and fans
Speaker 1: to come see me, hang out. We can hang out.
Speaker 1: Um does don't come to me if you are going
Speaker 1: to say something main Yeah, if you want to come
Speaker 1: say something nice to you can visit. Please hand Giles
Speaker 1: with me if you want something. What is this accident? No,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, we're putting an end to it. Okay, okay, listen,
Speaker 1: I think it might be time for I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so might be time every time.
Speaker 1: And there's gonna be many opportunities for you to see.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Honey performed live coming up very
Speaker 1: soon like a Comedy Central Cluster Fast on Saturday twond
Speaker 1: and the Echo p X on June twelve, which is
Speaker 1: a Tuesday, and the Bellhouse it's a venue in Echo Park,
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Honey, which will having many heads performing. It'll
Speaker 1: be very fun. Um, okay, I think it's time. Meant
Speaker 1: you have something, Okay, I'll start lately I've been starting.
Speaker 1: I just got his point out the trend here. I've
Speaker 1: been prepared, all right, this is bone. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: And as time starts now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Subway adds that specifically catered to rich millennial children, Honey,
Speaker 1: I don't like that fucking subway ad. That's like, well,
Speaker 1: don't do your parents pay for your rent? Fuck? You
Speaker 1: look God blessed. If you are blessed and charmed enough
Speaker 1: to live in this horrendously rich, expensive city to live
Speaker 1: in and your parents are paying a rent, that's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't begrudge you of that, whatever it
Speaker 1: takes for you to survive in this town. But I
Speaker 1: don't think you should be catered to by advertisers. You
Speaker 1: get me. Look, there are plenty of other populations that
Speaker 1: should be catered to in this city with through subway ads.
Speaker 1: I don't need every John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmit in this
Speaker 1: town to look at these this garbage, this driblets on
Speaker 1: our subways and think that they're supposed to They're not
Speaker 1: supposed to. Look, honey, you've got plenty of access to
Speaker 1: other things that you can opt into. Other forms of
Speaker 1: media that you can opt into. You have choices. Some
Speaker 1: of us do not. Some of us are four seconds.
Speaker 1: I would rather read a poem Honey by Mary Oliver
Speaker 1: on the subway than this trash from he doesn't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Those subways. I don't like
Speaker 1: those subway adds. It's they're dumb to come up with
Speaker 1: something better. Okay, that's me. Matt has someone. This is
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The story of the Tortoise
Speaker 1: and the hair. Let me tell you something, honey. If
Speaker 1: I've been working for years for the race, and I
Speaker 1: happened to be very good at racing, I better not
Speaker 1: lose to some dust the ass lazy asked tortoise. If
Speaker 1: I'm the hair and this is my moment, I've better
Speaker 1: win the race. I have been running around the fields.
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna get up to the finish line and
Speaker 1: see a tortoise has beat me, I'm gonna ask what
Speaker 1: the fuck happened? Who does the tortoise know? Because there's
Speaker 1: nothing about the tortoise that should beat me in the race.
Speaker 1: The tortoise has his own moments to thrive. When the
Speaker 1: tortoises in the water, I can't be in the water.
Speaker 1: I'm the hair. When the tortoises protecting itself from predators,
Speaker 1: it has a shell. Yes, it should thrive, that's how
Speaker 1: it lives. But when it comes to the race and
Speaker 1: I'm the hair, I'm gonna win. I don't think so, honey. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: one minute for you as the hair, to blame your
Speaker 1: loss on nepotism or there is no feasible reason why
Speaker 1: the tortoise should win. I have a problem with this,
Speaker 1: A sop look hair. The hair hubristically took a nap
Speaker 1: while the tortoise carried on and was you know what
Speaker 1: the funk? How long was this nap? That's what? Is that?
Speaker 1: A coma? I don't believe that a that a tortoise
Speaker 1: would ever be. The hair was too long, and the
Speaker 1: tortoise beat the hair at the end. No, I disagree.
Speaker 1: I think there was some fucory and nonsense going on.
Speaker 1: I think Russia colluded. There was collusion the tortoise and
Speaker 1: the hair. Another goose paid someone cash. No, No, that's
Speaker 1: not how that works. I think it was Oligarch paid
Speaker 1: money to a stop top wrote the fab. Okay, so
Speaker 1: what you're saying is you think that there's some people
Speaker 1: out there, the powers that be you. Dylan Marrin is
Speaker 1: rocking back forth right now. I can tell he's getting
Speaker 1: sold ready for as that. I truly like got into
Speaker 1: what you say. Are you do you stand with me?
Speaker 1: Because I love that story? But I love your conviction,
Speaker 1: the passion and affirm your convictions. I feel that the
Speaker 1: story of the Tortoise and the hair attacks people who
Speaker 1: worked hard for their whole life. That's who's to say
Speaker 1: thertoise start all his life. He shouldn't even been doing
Speaker 1: that race. That's not fair. Didn't put him up for it.
Speaker 1: But I think that I think that. All I'm saying
Speaker 1: is I think there was some shady backdoor nonsen. You're
Speaker 1: putting people in boxes like how people put boxes. We're
Speaker 1: not allowed to do stand up the same thing. I
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you're wrong and that I stick with myself.
Speaker 1: I PopEd a giant hoole. This is Dylan. Dylan, are
Speaker 1: you ready? Maybe this is going to be good? And
Speaker 1: you know, no pressure. We're gonna get an edu. We
Speaker 1: have we have a master here. This is Dylan Marin's
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. The idea voice for radio, what
Speaker 1: the fuck does that mean? If I can make sounds
Speaker 1: with my body that then come out of my vocal
Speaker 1: cords and into a microphone, guess the fuck what? I
Speaker 1: have a voice for radio. I am sick of people
Speaker 1: saying that the voice for radio is the low authoritative
Speaker 1: man's voice, because you that is adhering to the problematic
Speaker 1: notions of guess what the patriarchs, and then is saying
Speaker 1: that authority can only come from an assured male figure. Well,
Speaker 1: guess the fuck what, bitch, I take that back, babe,
Speaker 1: I said a problematic word. Guess the funk what, babe.
Speaker 1: I have been mistaken for my mom ever since I
Speaker 1: started sring the phone, and some people think my voice
Speaker 1: is grating and therefore doesn't belong on radio. But guess
Speaker 1: the funk what? I have a voice or radio. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. And that's one minute, beautifully done.
Speaker 1: I relate to that. So the phone answering things so hard, ma'am,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, do not miss gender me queen? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: when I when I when I was studding, I have
Speaker 1: a story for you, guys. I know we're rapping, but
Speaker 1: but I want to tell you. When I was booking
Speaker 1: Todd's surprise trip to Disney World, I was I was blooming.
Speaker 1: I was like, just so I surprised my husband Todd
Speaker 1: with a trip to Disney World for his birthday. I
Speaker 1: just bloomed so hard that I had prolom Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got a prolapse, then fell out. I booked the trip
Speaker 1: and as I was on the phone with the woman
Speaker 1: who was, um, you know the Disney Amanda, Disney woman,
Speaker 1: that Disney imagineer is what they called them, m or
Speaker 1: the cast member. I don't think she was. She was
Speaker 1: a cast member beautifully, and she called me ma'am every time.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, this will be
Speaker 1: uncomfortable if I tell her um, Like how do I
Speaker 1: subtly tell her? I'm um, I don't identify as a woman,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to. So I was like, okay, I
Speaker 1: have a great plan. Because also whenever I booked trips,
Speaker 1: I always want to make sure that like wherever I'm
Speaker 1: booking as queer friendly, right, And so I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is great, and I said, okay, so, um, you know,
Speaker 1: would you mind just telling me? I have a question?
Speaker 1: I always asked this, but I will be traveling with
Speaker 1: my husband, so is um, you know, is this like
Speaker 1: a gay friendly place? Kind of knowing the answer, knowing
Speaker 1: that Disney, you know, purports to accept all. And there
Speaker 1: were five seconds of silence on the on the other
Speaker 1: end of the line, and I was like, did I
Speaker 1: say something wrong? She was doing the math in her yeah,
Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, ma'am, what you do in
Speaker 1: the privacy of your own room is your own business.
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, she didn't get the hint. Also,
Speaker 1: what does she think I was asking? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I wasn't, like, where can we of bare backs? I
Speaker 1: don't think that was the answer she should have given. Well,
Speaker 1: she well, then I said this thing, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: Disney does gay days, right, so it's like, so you're
Speaker 1: dropping intelligence and she was like, oh no, ma'am, like
Speaker 1: only those are outside groups who do events inside the premises.
Speaker 1: And I was like what. And then for a moment
Speaker 1: I was reconsidering it. When you wish upon a star,
Speaker 1: you're talking to a homophobe on the phone. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know she was a homophobe or just like misunderstood.
Speaker 1: Some people have heard this story and been like, maybe
Speaker 1: she thought she like continued to think I was a woman,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, are you asking? Like, are
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable with gay people on Disney World? But like,
Speaker 1: that's not what I said, because she wouldn't have said,
Speaker 1: what you do in the privacy of your own room
Speaker 1: is your own business. Girl, You are too proper. I
Speaker 1: would have been like, Hi, excuse me. What I'm saying
Speaker 1: is I'm a man, and you have made this conversation
Speaker 1: very much more difficult than it had to be. I'm
Speaker 1: asking you if I'm going to get hunched in the
Speaker 1: face and answer yes, yes. But even like, I don't know, no,
Speaker 1: I think it's what I think. It's that thing where
Speaker 1: it's like the riddle of like I can't operate on
Speaker 1: this child, he's my son. It's like you can't fathom
Speaker 1: in your head that a surgeon would be a woman.
Speaker 1: It's like, I think, yeah, caught up in that mental turn,
Speaker 1: I say something. H p J reached over and turned
Speaker 1: down my mic. When I started to talk about I mean,
Speaker 1: when I started to talk about gay rights and you're
Speaker 1: blaring into the microphone. And this happens every single episode.
Speaker 1: It happened during year. I don't think so, honey. I
Speaker 1: was looking at your audio waves and I was like,
Speaker 1: every single time, nothing, it's nothing, this is not It
Speaker 1: happens all the time. I was all right, lady got
Speaker 1: oh my god, um well, I think that is a
Speaker 1: beautiful story. That sort of upsets me. But you know what,
Speaker 1: why not she really upset me. Most cast members are
Speaker 1: great at Disney Parks, and it's doing an amazing shop.
Speaker 1: She was very helpful. I just wanted to that's that's
Speaker 1: a funny story. It's a funny story. What you're doing
Speaker 1: the privacy of your own room. I knew, but but
Speaker 1: like it's it's a thing of like I really am
Speaker 1: not asking, like is it quiverly like fuck each other
Speaker 1: like in the Magic Kingdom. It's like, it's all right
Speaker 1: if I in my own hotel room, and if I
Speaker 1: sent in my husband's face, shut up, and you know
Speaker 1: what you would have said, you know what you should
Speaker 1: have said to her, which is what we're going to
Speaker 1: end this episode on. Dylan, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: being here. The Ted Talk. Everyone check it out. I
Speaker 1: love you very much. I love you. I can't speak
Speaker 1: for I love you so. I love you so much.
Speaker 1: You know what I love most about you? That you
Speaker 1: are beautiful no where God's no, the stays. I'm on
Speaker 1: the right chat, baby, I was born this way, no
Speaker 1: matter gay, straight, you don't buy, let's be untranspennp. I'm
Speaker 1: on the right check baby. I was born this for hey,
Speaker 1: same DNA, oh my god, fantasy you know. Just kidding
Speaker 1: and love you forever. This has been a Forever Dog
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