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Speaker 1: but like you can't have nuanced conversations on social media.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing. So like if this person,

429
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Speaker 1: I don't know that this person would actually necessarily say

430
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: that to your face, which is literally all but but

431
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like maybe you'd have a really

432
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: fascinating conversation. It's just that's not a conversation starter, you

433
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And if that person, I don't know.

434
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: If that person was a close friend, of course you

435
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: don't you talk to them about it. And and this

436
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: is kind of what's frustrating about like clap backs on

437
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: social media, like the snarkier you are and dangerously for

438
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: our world or you know the world that uh, you

439
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: guys definitely occupies like the funnier it is, like you

440
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: know that you know that um cartoon that's floating around

441
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: like um, it's a it's it's it's a New Yorker

442
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: style cartoon and the father is comforting his son, and

443
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: he says, son, if you don't have anything nice to say,

444
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: make sure it's devastating. Do you know what I mean? Like, um,

445
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: make sure it's it's something in devastating. And it's like that,

446
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: that's what social media is. It's like you're if you

447
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: say something mean and you're not funny about it, it's awful.

448
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: But if you say something mean and it's funny, it's like,

449
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: well they got him there, and it's like, oh, that's

450
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: still you can also be hilarious and just not be an.

451
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: I also just want to make very clear it was

452
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: a few comments, but it was like you had over

453
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: of something that was small, and so I would be

454
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: insane and to think that, like I'm actually facing adverse.

455
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: Know your mind does that, your mind, my mind does

456
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: this all the time. I'm sure your never very balance never.

457
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: Um So this is just really I'm not in therapy.

458
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: Absolutely love my therapist. I love my therapist. Um well,

459
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: but it's it's like it's the same thing. It's also

460
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: the same thing in negative feedback in life, like when

461
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: if five people can say like, wow, that you were

462
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: incredible up there, and then one person is like, I

463
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: didn't love it that much. That suck. I'm a trash

464
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: monster and I'm going to go be the queen of

465
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: the trash. Yeah, head bobs. Yeah yeah, there's a head bob.

466
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: It's but it is, it is, It is very true.

467
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: It's it's just I think a better conversation is just

468
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: like the boldness that people feel when they are uh

469
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: just detached from the comment and how it affect someone. Well,

470
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: that's the thing, and you were saying, how like that

471
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: comment was like represented, um, you know whatever unearned way

472
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: people feel like they can approach you. But I think

473
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: it's it's going back to a dylancing. Is that that

474
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: common represents how there's no there's just no tenor to

475
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: any conversation here. There's no conversation here. It's just this

476
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: culture of well I'm gonna fucking o that, and then

477
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: you know it's just not I mean, where do you go.

478
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: There's nowhere to start except to go back and recede

479
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: into Okay, well let's actually have a conversation, which is

480
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: what I'm I was thinking about this all day leading

481
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: up to tonight. Um, because we talked to Francesco last

482
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: week and she has this whole great part in her

483
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: book where she talks about calling out and that's what

484
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: we can talk about that. But then she she has

485
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: these anecdotes about the times when she has given her

486
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote haters the benefit of the doubt

487
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: and just like you know, tried to open up conversations

488
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: with them and tried to let them in. And you know,

489
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: she's she's running to like this troll online at conferences

490
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: who like was very gravelly an apologize to her and

491
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: was like, please forgive me. You know, you seem great.

492
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to, you know, say these uncouth things

493
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: about you. And she was like, okay, fine, well, like

494
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'll I'll forgive you. I'll give you a

495
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: second chance. But then it always ended up being something

496
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: and he was like we're best friends, etcetera, etcetera. Wow,

497
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: everything's great, and she was like, hold on, now he

498
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: gets like a free pass for everything, and and now

499
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: he's using me as a prop to you absolve him

500
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: of all this stuff and ends up getting worse. Well,

501
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: I think just in the same way that like, well,

502
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: the the question, like the actual core of what I'm

503
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: trying to ask is like where like what is the

504
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: what is is there a danger? And even just in

505
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: like initiating that conversation in the first place, like about

506
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: seeing through some hateful thing and just trying to start

507
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: from some common ground. But then like it also but

508
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: just making the situation was I mean, but there are

509
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: there are many episodes in the podcast where there's no resolution,

510
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: you guys, just well that's what I say. It's like

511
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: not necessarily common ground podcts. Sometimes the only common ground

512
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 1: is that we're like on the phone at the same time. Imagine, yeah,

513
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: like we're adhering to the same clock, and we have

514
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: agreed to be on the phone together, um, and that

515
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: we've consented to recording. But um, I to that. I mean,

516
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: I can only speak to my experiences, but you have

517
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: to you can only be really speaking to people who

518
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: earn your time, you know, Like and I it's pretty

519
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: self selective in my podcast because when you get to

520
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: like the point where people are like, yeah, I'll be

521
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: on the phone with you. Um, yes, I'm cool that

522
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: we're recording. Yes, I'm going to be vulnerable with you

523
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: about me and who I am, so that you can

524
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: be vulnerable with you and who you are. That passes,

525
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: that passes through so many filters, So like I'm not

526
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: getting people who ever feel abusive. I'm still in touch

527
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: with almost all my guests. I was going to ask

528
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 1: you that because I have a question. So basically, you know,

529
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, I'm sitting here thinking like this

530
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: really is applicable to I think everyone that's on social media,

531
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: because we're all having exchanges, We're all exchanging ideas, and

532
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: sometimes those things start uh sort of negatively or they

533
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: go awry based on like a misunderstanding, and it can

534
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: almost feel like this is like an impossible mountain to climb.

535
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: So I would ask you, or my question for you is,

536
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: what is your goal with the podcast? Like what do

537
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: you want the podcast to achieve? Because it can almost

538
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: feel sometimes like God, because of the nature of social media,

539
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: how are we going to get over this? How are

540
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: we going to start getting to a place where universally

541
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: we don't this doesn't happen anymore. And maybe that's not

542
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: literally not achievable, so it's not the goal. But what

543
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: is the goal? Like, what do you get out of it?

544
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: What do you want the listeners to get out of it?

545
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: In general, so when we get those comments on social media,

546
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: it can feel so scary, like the walls feel for me,

547
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: the walls feel like they're just closing in on me, right,

548
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: similar to similar to you, I'm like, I'm only going

549
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: to focus on the negative, never the positive. The calls

550
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: themselves feel amazing to me. I feel like the world

551
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: is an amazing place. Everything is possible. Look at us.

552
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: No one's going to change their mind in the course

553
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: of an hour long phone call. No one, No radically right,

554
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: you can't undo decades of the way people think. But

555
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: like it's a start, right, So I see the podcast.

556
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: My goal with the podcast is like, this is just

557
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: a seed. I am carving out a space where there

558
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: can be nuanced conversations that come from spaces on the Internet.

559
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: But it's also a podcast, so it depends on the internet,

560
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: so it is a space on the internet as well.

561
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: And I also think and I've kind of like, um,

562
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm essentially have tailored this answer because of what I

563
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: see people use it for. But so many people use

564
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: it to like gain courage to have their own conversations,

565
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: whether it's with their parents, or whether it's with their

566
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: siblings or you know, family members, um, people who have

567
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: said their own things. And I'm very clear that it's

568
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: like I'm only talking to people I feel safe with.

569
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: I am not talking to people who have sent me

570
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: death threats. I am not talking to people who have

571
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: not earned my time. I'm talking like and and surely

572
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: we must. We must distinguish between someone who calls me

573
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: a piece of ship and someone who tells me to

574
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: says well, or someone who says that they're going to

575
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: kill me. You know, like, um, yeah, I mean there

576
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: there is a distinction. There's a there's a difference there.

577
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: So it's about promoting conversation. It's promoting conversation, and it's

578
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: like it's and it's like I just want to show

579
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: to you know, our listeners, which is a small slice

580
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: of the world. I want to show like conversation across

581
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: difference doesn't have to be a debate, and you also

582
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: don't have to compromise your own deeply held beliefs. Right,

583
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,239
Speaker 1: even even in early recording, empathyist no endorsement. Even in

584
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: early recordings of the podcast, I was thinking, like, how

585
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: do I like shut down what they're saying? Right, And

586
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: it's like, of course I get that inclination, because if

587
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: you hear something you disagree with, we are trained like

588
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: shut it down. And I think there is real value,

589
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: especially in a public platform, to identify what you disagree

590
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: in about something. But like why just why shut it down?

591
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: I think it's so much more valuable to listen to

592
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: why they think what they think, meaning like I fully

593
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: disagree with it, but what is driving this? Like that

594
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: is how we're going to like get to the bottom

595
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: of it. So when people ask me what they need

596
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: to prepare for the podcast, I'm like, well, you're the

597
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 1: expert on you already, Like I'm going to be asking

598
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: you about why you think this. I'm not going to

599
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: be asking you about FBI statistics and how that plays

600
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: into like life right now, because like, unless you conducted

601
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: those FBI statistics and can tell me why you were

602
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: inspired to do that, I want to hear about why

603
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: you're the type of person who you know, um, who

604
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: who believes that trans people shouldn't be in the military exactly. Um,

605
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: just I want to say that you should book. I'm

606
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: an FBI statistician. Yes, yes, yes, FBI statisticians listening. They're

607
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: they're all listening. Um, well, guys, it's a Webby Award

608
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: winning podcast. It's it's it's phenomenal. Another question, Yeah, it

609
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: sounds like you're wrapping up with it. Sounds like you

610
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: are on your hiking backpack and headed to the woods.

611
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: You asked, I have one of questions because when I

612
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: was watching the Ted Talk and you know, you explained

613
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: that there was what the very first example you give

614
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: josh um he was going to be graduated high school.

615
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask. I was wondering, is a theme

616
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: that these are young people? Or no, there's no theme,

617
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: and this is this is there's no theme, and this

618
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: is what I always tell people. It's like a yeah,

619
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: so anywhere what I want to want. This is at

620
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: the end of Mean Girls, Tina Fe was like, do

621
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: I say the limit does not exist? Or there is

622
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: no theme? And they went that's what Lauren said in

623
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: the notes. Um. But um, it's so funny because people,

624
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: mostly people who really don't listen to the podcast, say

625
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: talk about these people, right like, I can't believe you

626
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: talk to these people. And I always stop them and

627
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: I say, well, there's no such thing as these people.

628
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: They're actually all different and we can't fit them into

629
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: a narrative. And I understand why we say these people

630
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: because I was saying these people when I was just

631
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: getting the comments like fully understandable, but like when you

632
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: dig a little deeper, like everyone has a totally different

633
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: reason for reaching out, and everyone is totally different. And

634
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: some people have never made an internet common effort and

635
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: this is their first, you know. And some people this

636
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: is what they do. They rail against people on the Internet,

637
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: and I think it like soothes our brain to think like, oh,

638
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: like these these mean, mean people, and it's like, oh, well,

639
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Speaker 1: the challenges listening to the podcast is like they're not

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Speaker 1: people to be on the show and some people have

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Speaker 1: like blocked me immediately and been like can I curse here? Yes,

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Speaker 1: to people and they've been like fuck you, Like this

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Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, sister, not too nice. Nice Actually

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Speaker 1: just attached to an audio gift of you on Luke.

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Speaker 1: Um I guess the humble opinion and yeah, imh not

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Speaker 1: too nice? Um but I um so yeah, So like

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing, babes. And I don't mean to

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Speaker 1: spoil Dylan's closing line of his whole ted talk, but

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I feel free to comment, call me, call

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Speaker 1: that conversation. It's also the fear of empathy. We're so

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Speaker 1: be valuable to us that we distinguish between um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but people who would who would, like you know, endanger you,

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Speaker 1: or who who have it out to endanger in people

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Speaker 1: who just who who disagree and express that in the

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Speaker 1: way we now all express things on the internet, like

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Speaker 1: say that in person, and I'm like, oh, I'm a month. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I would say to Donald Trump's face,

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Speaker 1: Trump so like troll, no, no, no, no, I think

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Speaker 1: but like we always like we say what we would

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Speaker 1: when I see that person, I'm going to sing pummel

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Speaker 1: um uh. It's mentality of saying like, oh, when I

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna suck you up. I've never said that. I've

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Speaker 1: like it's like so when we say things like oh

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, actually, like think through it, like if

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Speaker 1: if you start saying things, you will be escorted out.

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Speaker 1: Sorry about it, but like, how how will you express

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like it's just all of

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Speaker 1: have a living example of that. We've talked. I thought, um,

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Speaker 1: you've heard my Trump story. I went to I went

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Speaker 1: then Donald Trump follows him, and I go, great show

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Speaker 1: tonight comment of the President on his comedy, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: But like imagine if that were on camera, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like it's just like we we get to be my

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Speaker 1: How can we talk about sociological issues without like totally

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, so I I you know, met my

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Speaker 1: we should probably change I don't think so Honey to babe,

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Speaker 1: is where is your ally ship? For Black Lives Matter?

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Speaker 1: Because I brought up Antel Dann it was like what

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Speaker 1: know what returned to guess. And you know, there's been

848
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: a lot of controversy online with Pat Regan and his

849
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: obsession with being Last Culturesa's first return guests. Pat needs

850
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: to set the funk down. His Last Culture Rasas Icon

851
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: award is in serious jeopardy right now. That's going to

852
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: strike a chord with the listeners because he has a

853
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: quote unquote fan favorite. As disgusting as that is, that

854
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: you would endorse his behavior. But all I'm saying is

855
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: Pat Regan, he better check herself. He better check herself.

856
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: I want to ask Dylan a question we should ask

857
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: her because they've already answered the question what is the

858
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: culture that makes you think culture is for you? I

859
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: want to ask Dylan, what is the culture that makes

860
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: you say, right now, culture is amazing? Wow? What is

861
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: which is another way to ask, what is culture that

862
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: you love right now? What's your media diet? Take that

863
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: anywhere you want? Oh my god, Um, I just saw

864
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: the Ruth Bader Ginsberg document. I got a lot c G.

865
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: Oh that is my media diet RBG O MG. Listen.

866
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: I am like fully acknowledging that I like earnest Ship

867
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: and God for Thank God for earnest Ship. Like literally

868
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: that you like Sally Field. Yeah, I love Sally Field,

869
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: but like I have cried every single time I've seen

870
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: the eighth Grade trailer. Okay, oh my god, I can't

871
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: wait to see that. Actually, I n ironically love the

872
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: troice Savan has a song about Bob. Yes, I bloom

873
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: just for you. I love the trailer for the Mr.

874
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: Rogers document. I love you know what I live for

875
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: in culture right now? That Mr Rogers is having a

876
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: cultural renaissance, And I love Mr Rogers. I love um

877
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: he ran a whole fucking town out of his house.

878
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: I wonder how much that people were paying and rent,

879
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: I know, the puppets. In terms of the landlord perspective, drag,

880
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: he might have been a great drag. I think he

881
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: was a great landlord. I would, I would, I would,

882
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: I would imagine him as a great landlord. Um, what

883
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: is the culture you're loving right now? Oh, she's deflecting

884
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: and turning the question back. And no, she answered, and

885
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: is opening the floor to the opinions of people I love.

886
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that album is incredible, untouchable, untouchable. Wait

887
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: really quickly, I want to say that Mr. Rodgers trailer

888
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: documentary trailer played before the Avengers, Like on the first night,

889
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: it was this room for the Avengers. It was it was.

890
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: It was interesting at Alamo. We love Almo, but it

891
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: was just room full of like Broie like comic book folks.

892
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: And um, it played in guys, I mean it just

893
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: it it broke through to all of us. Well, here's

894
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: my fear is that people love you when you're gone.

895
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: Like it's like like you get to be an icon

896
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: unless you're Pat Rigan getting me a kind of word

897
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: raining you get to be an icon when like only

898
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: in retrospect can people really and ironically and fully love you,

899
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: and that's so sad to me. Like I love when

900
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: people love things that are happening right now. Um, like Jelle,

901
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: like Janelle, Yeah, but actually this was gonna be my

902
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey later, but I'd rather go

903
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: into it now because I'd rather have a discussion about

904
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: It's crazy to me that only like less than two

905
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: million people have watched her Emotion album, like really yeah,

906
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: like no one's watching it on YouTube, and I'm just like,

907
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: let me tell you, if Beyonce I did this, we

908
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: the world would be stopped, like forget about if Taylor

909
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: Swift did something like this, Like it's just crazy to

910
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: me that And not to say that she doesn't get

911
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,479
Speaker 1: the credit or the respect that she is due, because

912
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: there are so many people out there that love her

913
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,479
Speaker 1: and I've been loving her, but it's just like this

914
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: work that she's done on this last album and the

915
00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: the um I guess she's calling it um Emotion picture. Um.

916
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: It's so good and it just uses so many of

917
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: her incredible, vast talents that I just wanted to get

918
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: the respect and I want the eyes on it that

919
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: it deserves. I love everything about this and I think

920
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: that more people should be watching and listening to it,

921
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: and I've never understood why she wasn't like a bigger,

922
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,959
Speaker 1: mainstream deal. And then someone said to me, well, there's

923
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: too many hooks in her songs, and I was like,

924
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: said that there's too many hooks in her songs. I

925
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: was like, too many hooks in a pop song? No bit,

926
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: go back to school? Can you just imagine? And it

927
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: won't happen, but can you imagine her super Bowl halftime performance? Now?

928
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: It will be incredible? And also she's so fucking good

929
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: at everything. She's an amazing actor, very good um, and

930
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: there's acting in Have you watched the Emotion Picture? Yes? See.

931
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, that you don't have forty

932
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: six minutes. I'm a monster. I'm gonna watch it now

933
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: tonight because I feel shamed. You clapped back. You just

934
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: raised your arm high in the air as do But

935
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: don't you tried to hit me? Don't you lord this? Oh?

936
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: I saw dirt a computer. I saw the Emotion picture. Honey.

937
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: I've been in on the ground floor with Janelle since then.

938
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: You would have put minutes in and respected huh. I

939
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: think it's amazing. Everyone's talking about Donald Glover. But now

940
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: don't just move on because there's only room for one icon.

941
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: Right now, let's talk about Janelle as well. Let's talk

942
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 1: about everybody. Everybody can can do that. Um. Speaking of which,

943
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: another thing I'm living foreign culture is just lean away

944
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: and she was killed. She was serving you it all

945
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 1: at the metal Oh my god, let's chat about the Metcal.

946
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: Do you guys live for the metgal? Is that like

947
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 1: a staple for you? Um? Like? I have complicated feelings

948
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: about that. As a comedian, I fucking I'm obsessed with

949
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: the metal because I think the concept of it is

950
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: so fucking funny, and I think one of the funniest

951
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: bits that happens every year is John Early talking about

952
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: what the themes of the medical got. I mean, just

953
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: like go to his recent like tweets and Richard Jenkins,

954
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: the theme of the mecal is just dot dot dot.

955
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: He's just got so many jokes. It's but it's just

956
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: the most it's the It's I normally hate non sequitory

957
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: humor where it's like a random thing, but it's this

958
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: is like nonsecretary humor just sort of perfect. But it's

959
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 1: not nonsequitary humor in that you still like it's it's

960
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: also sort of commenting on the pretentiousness of this thing,

961
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: that it is all these sort of like already pretentious

962
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: things like sort of right, and it's just only following

963
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: it as such as the dress they already want to wear. Yeah,

964
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: I also love nonsequito humor. Yeah, okay, well I don't

965
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: think Well he tried to hit me when you problematic

966
00:54:51,120 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: white pose my white tears raised his arm. Yeah, you

967
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: try to hurt me. Let's talk about lead away. She

968
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: certainly wore a great fucking what would you call that

969
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: a cape cap? Honey would call it one baby girl throw.

970
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: I sometimes call anything I'm wearing over my t shirt

971
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: a throw. Say that HPJ thought that was funny, not accurate.

972
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: I think you're cute, even the flannel a throw. Yeah,

973
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: this is my throw that I think the throw is

974
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: like just like a velvet blanket you throw into a couch.

975
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: That is the actual correct the patriarchy. I can't have

976
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: a throw. It's my way of protesting to call everything

977
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: a throst. I'm not thinking of shaw at all. Yes,

978
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: I never once thought of shaw. I've only thought of throw. Okay, alright,

979
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: I thought that the best dressed person at the med

980
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: gala was Rihanna, which I know is redundant to say,

981
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: but that's what she always she always why she's the

982
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: co chair, Honey, she's a co chair. My personal favorite

983
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: was Greta. Oh my god, gret overblown nun love outfit.

984
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: Oh so funny, so great. Todd gasped when I when

985
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: we when we saw it, because he was like, Honestly,

986
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: when Todd gasps, when Todd that's the name of my

987
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: first novel, When Madonna looks pretty fierce too, but that

988
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: it was okay, but it was fun. Who was really

989
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: first thought and boring. The person who like raised such

990
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: as a dumb middle finger for me was Kendall Jenner,

991
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: just showing up in like a white like whatever, just

992
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: like so nondescripts like and she was just you could

993
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: tell she was being smug about I was like, Kendall,

994
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: stick to the theme. I'll tell you something. Who is

995
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: like so, another member of her family who is like so,

996
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: it's almost like you. Tina Fame makes a stunt that

997
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: you could make her in a lab like, but Kim Kardashian,

998
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: it's so insane. The proportions of everybody. Her waist is small.

999
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: Her like hips are so her ass is huge. She

1000
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: is an hour glass. She's a walking hour glass. I'm

1001
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: sure there's like witchcraft of wizardry that goes into making

1002
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: her what she is all the juda day. But the

1003
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: thing is, oh my god, she is. She's got she's

1004
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 1: got a body like an hour glass. To quote Jesse

1005
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: J yeah, six more like forty eight sixty eight. That

1006
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: any normal? That's how that see what I did there?

1007
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: I loved a little bit bigger, loved it, very good,

1008
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: very non secuity humor sequitor that's context y. Yeah, Dylan

1009
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: would say you about non sequitary hum I love it.

1010
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I just like, I don't know, and I

1011
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: just I like it when it tickles me and then

1012
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: I know. I just I don't think that anyone is

1013
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: saying that non sequitar humor is like acceptable all the

1014
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: time time. But I'm just saying I do love a

1015
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: good non sequitur. Yeah. I also love a good strongly

1016
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: played games. Sometimes when someone is like and then a

1017
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: bear with wazers came out, was oh that was, oh

1018
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: my god. Imagine a bear with lasers h J everyone

1019
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: bow and one, oh, no hand against if not to

1020
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: be too self returning. But I think Patti's Ellen Degenera

1021
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: story was like a master class in how to like

1022
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: be amazing and nonsecuity that was I see, I don't

1023
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't don't know if you wouldn't call that non

1024
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: s because we all we did was set a world

1025
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: for her, and she filled the world in her own way,

1026
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: and so it was grounded as surreal from the very

1027
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: what would you call nonsecuitary humor, I say non scutary humor.

1028
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: ADVI just said, Oops, a diamond just fell out of

1029
00:58:53,680 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: my little ass. That's funny. Told you I'm the New

1030
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: York City and perhaps the universe is premier non secretary

1031
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 1: comedian an end prem listen just fell out of my eyes.

1032
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna laugh about that all the way home. Bowen

1033
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: just lifted his whole leg far up to the sky

1034
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: and he whispered to me, See, but this is a

1035
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: strongly played a game. That's the third beat in a series,

1036
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: and I guess what, I won't do it again, Oh,

1037
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: don't do it for Matt thinks of himself as a

1038
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: little Patty Harrison. Now you know, I would never claim

1039
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: to be as funny as Patty. I would claim to

1040
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: be more beautiful. Okay, passionately that's what I call her.

1041
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: Do you guys know she's passionate? Why would you tell her?

1042
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you just call her her name? Because passion

1043
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: new is the endearing phrase I'd like to call her.

1044
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: When they were coworkers, we were co workers, had a job,

1045
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: they held insurance. You know what I called many things.

1046
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: Don't you worry my cobra is about to rent? Yeah,

1047
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: health interns is terrifying to me. Yeah, for sure. It's

1048
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: the only reason why I still do certain things. Are

1049
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: you guys guilded little babies? No, no, no, no, no,

1050
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: not by any means. We're builded. But we don't make

1051
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: enough money in the guild too. So that's my scary thing.

1052
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: Like I was scared to like pay to become a member.

1053
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: This very inside baseball. I apologize, but um, it's it's

1054
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: scary to pay all that money and then like I

1055
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: always have to make enough money too. Well. Yeah, that's

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01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: a common misconception is that people think when you're in

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01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: the union or whatever that you're just like protected by

1058
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: the union, but you have to make a certain amount

1059
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: of money. And SAG and the Writer's Guild and all

1060
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: that stuff too, in order to benefit from all that stuff.

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01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: So but we and we are not there yet. One

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01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: of us is probably closer than the other because one

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01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: of us. It's so funny Dylant books at all and

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01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: that is oh my god, he's gonna hurt me. He

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01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: just took his big paying us out and he's he

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01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: there's a spike on the tip and he said, I

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Speaker 1: am the Ellen this week. Yeah I did say that. Um, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that when you're especially close to someone?

1069
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: This is something that happens with me. When I'm especially

1070
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: for someone, I feel like a special kinship to them,

1071
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,439
Speaker 1: I will commonly make up a name for them. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god. Example, Yeah, that's what I just said. Um,

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Speaker 1: that was what you just exemplified. I um, passion, new Passion,

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Speaker 1: New is Patty. Okay, yeah we heard that. Bonina Bonina

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Speaker 1: Jackson Jones. Well I called Bob. But yeah, I love that,

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01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: and it's you, of course, all the things I've Actually,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring this up because I feel like

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01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: there are ones that I wanted to try out with you.

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Speaker 1: I am just got your number. This is sad ridiculous.

1080
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, I gave my umber the very

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Speaker 1: first day I was born. Oh took the off. I'm

1082
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: gonna hear those popped pas, Matthew R not even my name. Okay,

1083
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: this is a start, but we're starting with Okay, okay,

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01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: it's a game. Well, let's go. Let's hear the names

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01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: that you want to tell me. I'm just well, there

1086
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: was actually something else that I wanted to bring up.

1087
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: This is my own non secretary, but it's not humor.

1088
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: You got my number, rama drama. I sent you guys

1089
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: a YouTube video song shut up of a song that

1090
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: I love. I have a confession of name. Neither of

1091
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: you listen to it. I have a confession to make,

1092
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: and this is for anyone in my life. If you

1093
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: send me a YouTube video in my texts, it will

1094
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 1: open the YouTube app if you have it when you're

1095
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: in wife, and then you can watch it. I don't know.

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01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: I just don't really. I don't do the thing like

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01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: like even in Instagram, d M or whatever, like what

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01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: have you like? If you send me a video like,

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01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's something about me, it's something weird,

1100
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: like it's problematic, it's problematic. I just don't always listen

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01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: it to them. Right then, and there, like, if you

1102
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: send me a video, you gotta give me a little bit. Okay, Well,

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01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: and I sent it to you because you are arbiters

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01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: of culture and people. I am in respect. I'm sure

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01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,919
Speaker 1: I like it, And yeah, she's great, it's great. It's

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01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: just a song that no one here is because I'm

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01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: watching something in culture that I guarantee you none of

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Speaker 1: your listeners are watching what American? I don't know. I've

1109
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: seen a couple episodes of it. Can you believe in

1110
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: a box? Um? I have to be honest with you, Dylan.

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01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that she's as talented as everyone thinks

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01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: she is, and I do think that it should be

1113
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: based on I loved her. I actually think who's the

1114
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: who's the like? And I look, I'm just gonna say this,

1115
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: and you come from me like the wolves that you

1116
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: can be out there? Um, I think that, Like I've

1117
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: only seen a couple of performances, but then when they

1118
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: did Disney Night, I really didn't want to feel this way,

1119
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: but I felt that her performance was extremely screaming and

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Speaker 1: like I've seen a Circle of Life be done so

1121
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: many times so amazingly that I don't understand picking that

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01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,479
Speaker 1: I do understand it as a choice of a drag

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Speaker 1: queen to sing and perform. I get it. Vocally, it

1124
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: didn't do as much for me as like even that

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Speaker 1: lily white blonde girl singing Colors of the Wind, which

1126
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Speaker 1: I thought was fucking insane, but she gave a better vocal. Well,

1127
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: just like my podcast, there is not necessarily common ground

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01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: to be found here. But I still respect you as

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Speaker 1: a person. I respect you too. I just I just

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Speaker 1: also like feel that in terms of in terms of

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Speaker 1: in terms of in terms of my notes being hit,

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01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: there were more of them, and there were many more

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Speaker 1: of them in the other performances. Okay, well, I loved

1134
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: all the notes, but I also find it's very problematic

1135
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: the way that the voting goes. And this was my

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I mean the Dave Mazony

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Speaker 1: episode the Live which I have. It's not just voted

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01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: white people through, that's what that was my I don't

1139
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: think one. It was just that it stacks the deck

1140
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: for people that are watching live and still have cable,

1141
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: it's watching after and it absolutely, oh god, it's unfair.

1142
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: It's laughable. When they when they moved to the top

1143
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: seven or um what was it when it was literally

1144
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: just the only people of color in the bottom? Yeah,

1145
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: that was what I was saying. I was like, see,

1146
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: there's there's it's not it's at a certain point. It's

1147
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: like come on, yeah, And if it's and if you know,

1148
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: I've always had questions about American Idol and how real

1149
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: the results are, that's interesting. Yeah. Completely, Um, it's television show,

1150
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: not everything. They need those eliminations that shock people to happen.

1151
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: They need that to survive and stay interesting. Um, so

1152
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: just think about that. And also, we've had a friend

1153
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: go through the American Idol experience in detail how crazy

1154
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: it is. On this very podcast. You can listen to

1155
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: a vocal eased episode with a man of check when

1156
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: you can her all about it. She was on season nine. Um.

1157
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: But anyway, when when you're a producer and you see

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01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: that all the people of color are in the bottom,

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01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: you would think like, okay, optics on this are like

1160
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: kind of iffy, but let's just give it the benefit

1161
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: of the doubt and say that is the actual bottom

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01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: four or whatever. Then there's something to that. There is

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Speaker 1: something to that. And also on the voice, the only

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Speaker 1: real artist on the show, her name was Christianna Danielle

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01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: and she's this um sort of black RMB singer, not

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01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: sort of black black black, sort of R and B

1167
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: soul singer. And like, um, she's on Alicia Keys's team,

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Speaker 1: and she had the lowest vote votes and has been

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Speaker 1: getting the lowest votes. But she's the only person doing

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Speaker 1: anything relevant musically on the show literally, And then there's

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: of course the sea of country singers and it has

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Speaker 1: to be up and what are the demographics of these

1173
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: voting blocks? Well that's also like I just think like

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: American Idol is no longer how we listen to music.

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01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: I just think like there are so many new musicians

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01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: and so many different voices. But I worshiped American Idol

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01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: as a kid. Yeah, yeah, I get that. I mean

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Speaker 1: I think we all did. I mean I always whenever anyone,

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Speaker 1: whenever we go on other podcasts and they ask what

1180
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: was the culture that shaped you? I always mentioned American

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01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: Idol is the thing. Here's the thing with this Christianity

1182
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: girl and with all these people and with Ada and

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01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, with these people who deserve to sort of

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01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: make it through. And I said this before. Entertainment is

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01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: presenting things that we already know in the ways that

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01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: we know how to see them. Art is expanding our

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01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: understanding of things that we did not know. Yes, and

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01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: therefore maybe American Idol is not necessarily the place for arts,

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01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: something for entertainment. And you know what, like if if

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Speaker 1: the majority of people that are watching American Idol are

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01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: live are white people that like country music, then they

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,919
Speaker 1: will get the winner that they want that. I just think,

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01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: like Verry under, what is the biggest winner of all right,

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01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: the most the most lucratively, the most yeah, right right,

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 1: the biggest earning yea or yeah? But you know that

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Speaker 1: it's just you call it American Idol. You think it's

1197
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: going to represent all of America. It does not do that.

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01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: It is a fabrication of that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So it just it depends on how much you accept

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Speaker 1: I need to watch that movie. I never saw that movie,

1201
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: American Dreams. It wasn't as good as it should. I

1202
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: wonder if it's like it was if it was before

1203
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: It's time, you know, it's like, yeah, an American Idol satire,

1204
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: Like while American Idols was in the like fifth season

1205
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: or something, you know, or if it was. I feel

1206
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: like there's some way you sort of modernize that now

1207
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: where it's like you get to talk about and now

1208
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: I think it's a black Mirror episode. It's right. I

1209
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 1: mean that that that is probably what should be done.

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01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: There probably should be a Black Mirror episode about it.

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01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: And there's the there's the Daniel Oh my god, I'm

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01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: blank clue clue, yeah, yeah, Daniel kluea um, black mirror episode.

1213
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: I have a question, and I'm going to say this.

1214
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 1: It might be popular, might not. He looks much bigger.

1215
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: I think he's get a part. I thinks. I don't know,

1216
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: but he's amazing, very attractive, very attractive. I just know.

1217
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but notice from get Out to what

1218
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: he looked like on SNL. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the

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01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: met gal I was like, oh, he looks much much thick.

1220
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: Did you see the announcement for Jordan Peel's movie, Oh

1221
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: my god, yeah, I can't wait. Lupeta, I mean Lulu Pepita,

1222
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: and I heard um Elizabeth Moss, Elizabeth Moss. So those

1223
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: are the two leads. And then but there's another Blackmail

1224
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: lead that there. Yes, yes, yes, um, I thought they

1225
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: were set. It's the guy who played in Baku and

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01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: Um Black Panther, it's that guy. He's so good. It's

1227
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: so good, it's him, Lupeta Do Black Panther stars um

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01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: in this new Jordan Peel movie. And then the Perority tweeted,

1229
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what this guy has up

1230
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: his sleeve or something in a way that's like, I

1231
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: can't wait to see more of this guy. I'm excited

1232
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: to see another horror movie from him. I was wondering

1233
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: if we'd see something different. I'm excited to I'm excited

1234
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: that he's sticking with that. Okay, I thought for a second,

1235
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, is like, do I want something else? No,

1236
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: this is actually this is what he does. Well No, yeah,

1237
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. So we've gotten so much from him,

1238
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, like Ky and Peel that I'm like, yes, continue.

1239
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: The thing about get Out is and that's why I'm

1240
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: excited to see his follow up. And they always say,

1241
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: especially with someone like that has a big hit like

1242
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: get Out, that second picture or that second album or

1243
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: that second the sophomore thing is a big deciding factor.

1244
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 1: They'd say it about Real Housewives to Pat Regan famously

1245
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: said Real Housewives first Real first season is her second season. Um, well,

1246
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: not to give him any credit whatsoever because he's on

1247
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: the frist. Sully's the name of this pot absolutely makes

1248
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: us worse. Yes, um No, I love you so much.

1249
01:10:54,520 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: I love you passionate. Um I just said, wow, An

1250
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: you better, Patty, you are passionate. For What I'm saying though,

1251
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: is get Out feels so the child of Jordan Peel

1252
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: that I think it's going to be a tall order

1253
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: and people are the bar is going to be extremely high.

1254
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: He's absolutely smart enough and talented enough. But I'm just saying, like,

1255
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: with somebody like that, it's like, you know, the eyes

1256
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: are going to be on the project and people are

1257
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: going to be looking for the littlest thing, and I

1258
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: just hope that. Um, it's so intimidating, truly. Um it

1259
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: already looks I mean, whatever possible success, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, like is fucking wild. I can't wait. Oh,

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01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: I can't wait either. I'm very interested to see how

1262
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: I'll consume this one, because I am literally so terrified

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01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: movies like that. But you watched get Out at the

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01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: last possible second, Yeah, I watched. Well, it wasn't that

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01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: I didn't want to see it. It It was that I was.

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01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm just as scared, and so I watched it once

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01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: like from across the room my SAG screener. And then

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01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: once I had seen it once, then I watched it

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01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: very closely, like a numerous times after I shot to

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: my family and my dad really liked it. But it's

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01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: the first time I'm watching it. But then I gotta

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01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: tell you, I'm a free for horror movies. See, I

1273
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: don't get it. That's why you're not. My husband hates

1274
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: horror movie. You're Oh my god, stop. Dylan just tried

1275
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: to really hurt me. Dyone just tried to kill me

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01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: with poison, tried to no bullet. I just took a

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01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: knife out of his But I said, I know, I prolapsed,

1278
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 1: my asshole, and there was a knife and God and

1279
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: I and I brandished it in front of you, brandish. No,

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01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 1: I love it. You know who feels attacked HPJ with

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01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: the word pro laps. I'm sorry I didn't like and

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01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,919
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Baby. Um it's time for our segment.

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01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: We have a new segment done this segment before has

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01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 1: done it. It was lovely. I bet you've never had

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01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 1: a guest who has done this segment Who's in the chair.

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01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: This is true, this is our first Patty whatever passionate. Um.

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01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is I am a guest, a

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01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: returning guest who has already done a voicemail. Yeah, and

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01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,560
Speaker 1: so what we're saying is Patty's already done. Guest is

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01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: already done the voice. You know what. The distinction that

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01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: Dylan has is that he literally had the conversations with dumbass.

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01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: No conversation with dumbass who's stupid? Maybe that's maybe that's

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01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about projects conversations with MS Who's stupid? I

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01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: think that's the title of that. Conversations with mask Who's stupid?

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01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: Multiple conversation with one dumbass? I guess, can I can?

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01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: I actually requested that not be the title because I

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01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: was aware that when people then search for conversations and

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01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: if it comes with Allen Maren, then we'll be like, oh,

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01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: is he just bad mouthing his guests, when really what

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01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: they won't know from the title is a dumbass who stupid?

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01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: Is me? That? How about the title? This is debates

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01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: with this Hoe? Well we'll kick it around fully. I

1303
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: fully trust you guys with a with a podcast debate

1304
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: title with this debates with this Hoe title of h

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: you scrolling it and look at that tiny black Okay,

1306
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,839
Speaker 1: we'll look at that stupid little tiny black book. HBJ

1307
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: has this whole Well, we'll run debates with this Hope

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01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: by Dylan again as we get closer to I listen, Okay, Um,

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01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: this is well no, no, I was gonna say. Dylan

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01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: has the distinction of being um a guest who submitted

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 1: the voice memo just the prior week and then being

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01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: in the chair. We're really it's like, you know what's

1313
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: rich people like or royalty specifically, it's like, please make

1314
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: a record for me. You know, I feel like I'm

1315
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: like please. We're like an award that means like nothing,

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01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: but it's like you, sir, Philip Hiller holds the distinction

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01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: for biggest boat, the biggest boat that is not in

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01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: the currently currently. Yeah, that's it. That's the distinction to So,

1319
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: no distinction, no special distinction, whatever. I'm here with this

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01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: whole with conversations with dumbass who's debates with this whole

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01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: play the voice memo. This is a voice memo from

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01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 1: a dear friend of all of us. Joe fires My god,

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01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: I believe she has UM. I think we didn't prompt

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01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: or anything. She just has um a nighttime routine suggestion.

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01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: So I'll say that and we'll discisten. Hi Bowen, I

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01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: mad Hi Gillen. I don't know if anyone else is there.

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01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: Usually you guys have four people, so I imagine there's

1328
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: someone else. I'm so sorry, Hi. Maybe you guys could

1329
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,839
Speaker 1: fill it in later. UM. So is Joe Firestone. I

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01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 1: was just calling in to say hi, UM, and I

1331
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: wanted to share with you guys a little nighttime routine

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01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: that I've been really getting into and I think you

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01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: guys would really like it. I think people would really

1334
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: watch onto it if they knew that there's like a

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01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: new trendy night time routine. So basically, UM, here's what

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01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: I would recommend if you're thinking, if you get home

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01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: at night and you think, like, man, this sucks, is

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01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: a great Um here's I'll just tell you what I do. Okay,

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01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: So first off, uh, you put frozen chicken nuggets on

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01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: a plate. This doesn't matter what time it is. Minute

1341
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: you get home, you put them on there, and you

1342
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: put them in the microwave and uh, you know, put

1343
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: it in for a minute. And then here's the deal.

1344
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: You flip them and then then you put them back

1345
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: in the microwave and from for longer. And while that's cooking, Um,

1346
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: you gotta take off all your clothes and you put

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01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 1: on a nightgown. Now this is it's hideous. It's a

1348
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: hideous nackgown. It's um. I think I bought it as

1349
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: a prop, but now I use it as a piece

1350
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: of clothing. It's really it's really ugly, but it's so airy.

1351
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,520
Speaker 1: I really recommend getting a nightgown. I know they're not fashionable.

1352
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: It's don't you can't have said nobody's gonna want to

1353
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: have sex with you. But it's really nice piece a piece.

1354
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: So it's a nice piece. It's so you put on

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01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: your nightgown, you put on your slippers. This could be

1356
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: any time of night. I'm talking six pm, I'm talking midnight. Whatever,

1357
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 1: okay with me? Okay, ding ding ding. Chicken nuggets are ready.

1358
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: You take out the chicken nuggets. Now you stack up

1359
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: the chicken nuggets, however many you have, maybe you have four,

1360
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: maybe you have ten. Stack them up. Now you gotta

1361
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: squeeze as much catch up as you have. The height

1362
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: of chicken nuggets, because otherwise it's just not gonna work. Okay,

1363
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: this is a very healing, very spiritual understand Okay. So

1364
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: then what you're gonna do is you're gonna take a

1365
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: take a vape that you bought online, and you're gonna

1366
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: take a few tokes of that. Now that's gonna really

1367
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,480
Speaker 1: unattractive thing to do around people, but it's very important

1368
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: you make this exclusive and by that I mean alone.

1369
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: So you take a little puff of that. You make

1370
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 1: sure you're just a little too high to understand things,

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01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: but not so high that you start to understand things.

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01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: So we're a little high, you start eating your chicken nuggets.

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01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna use all that catch up, don't don't worry

1374
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: about it, Okay, So you use to catch up. You're

1375
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: in your nightgown and at that point you're gonna turn

1376
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,839
Speaker 1: on an episode of Gilmore Girls. It doesn't matter what episode,

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01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 1: as long as it's before season six. Please God, do

1378
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: not go into season six or beyond. It's not worth it.

1379
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 1: Watch something else. So you watch Gilmore Girls and you wonder,

1380
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 1: why did it make this show? Why is it? Why

1381
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: am I watching? Um? There's not a lot of answers,

1382
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: so don't think too hard after that. I think it's

1383
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of um, I don't know. I think it's kind

1384
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: of nice to like pretend you're going to stay up.

1385
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: This could again anytime, any time after six um, but

1386
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: you kind of fall asleep, face down on the couch

1387
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: with all the lights on Gilmore Girls still blasting up

1388
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: three to four hours later, confused, beyond understanding. You think,

1389
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 1: where am I? Why do I taste chicken nuggets? And

1390
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: why am I wearing this sad dress? And then what

1391
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to do is you're gonna turn off

1392
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: the lights. You gotta stagger into your bed, and then

1393
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: you've got to star fish starfish legs, arms in all directions.

1394
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: And at that point you're not gonna be able to

1395
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: fall asleep for a while. So at that point I

1396
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 1: would recommend watercolor. Personally, I don't do this stuff, but

1397
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: it's like a nightmare. I think that'd be better than

1398
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: what I usually do. That's kind of where I'm still

1399
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: working on it. Anyway. I just thought this could be.

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01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people work on face masks,

1401
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: and you know, meditation, and this this has been this

1402
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: is very successful. Another option if you're not so into

1403
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: the watercolors just well, I'll be honest about what I

1404
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: like to do. Turn on to fill fill the fill

1405
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: a bathtub with hot water, and lay face down. Again,

1406
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: it's not for everybody, and I think a lot of

1407
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: people would probably like the bath if it was faced up,

1408
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: but it's important to be face down. And you're not

1409
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: gonna have enough room for both your legs and your

1410
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 1: top to stay warm, so you have to choose, and

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01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: I choose a top, so the peaks of my ass

1412
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: on top of the water and untouched and fry, and

1413
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: the legs play up like a dolphin. Well, anyway, thinking

1414
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 1: of you guys, um I really love your podcast. I

1415
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: really love you guys as human beings. And I hope,

1416
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,879
Speaker 1: I hope just helps you have a nice night. Sometimes

1417
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: nights can be hard. Okay, I love you. Okay, I

1418
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: was that was a voice memory, but from Joe with

1419
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: the lifestyle alert, you don't know, should we reach out

1420
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: like it sounds like she's going through a hard time. Listen,

1421
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,799
Speaker 1: I feel like we all can have troubles falling asleep

1422
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 1: and Joe was just looking up for us. Um Yo,

1423
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 1: I was on board for the whole thing up until

1424
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: like the water colors. That was when she lost me.

1425
01:21:58,400 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't really do water colors, but

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01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: I I will, you know, pop a plate of chicken

1427
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: nuggets or whatever the vegetarian option is. Dylan say, tan nugget, State,

1428
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: Tan nuggets, Hail state, Tana. Stop. But you know what,

1429
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't think you should judge. I don't think you

1430
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: should judge people disagree with you. What you might not

1431
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: know about my history with Joe Firestone is that we

1432
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 1: live for a year on my childhood bunk bed. You

1433
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 1: guys hooked up. Yeah, you brought the furniture down from

1434
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: your childhood apartment. No what, because we lived together. I

1435
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: took a semester off senior year of college to travel

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01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: around the country with a play that Joe and I

1437
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: wrote together. You couldn't afford to live on our own,

1438
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: so we lived with my mom on the bunk beds

1439
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: that I grew up them. That's beautiful. And look at

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01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: the glow up and look at the glow up, honey,

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01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 1: Oh my own apartment now with a mantle with a mandel.

1442
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: I've seen. I've seen the pictures. I haven't been hearing

1443
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: your place. I would love for you guys to come.

1444
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: It's about the size of this room. That's beautiful summer

1445
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 1: hang less less. I think my new studio apartment is

1446
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: the size of this room. I'll ask you off Mike point.

1447
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 1: I've said it before. Invite all my friends and fans

1448
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: to come see me, hang out. We can hang out.

1449
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 1: Um does don't come to me if you are going

1450
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: to say something main Yeah, if you want to come

1451
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: say something nice to you can visit. Please hand Giles

1452
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: with me if you want something. What is this accident? No,

1453
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, we're putting an end to it. Okay, okay, listen,

1454
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: I think it might be time for I don't think so.

1455
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so might be time every time.

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01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: And there's gonna be many opportunities for you to see.

1457
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Honey performed live coming up very

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01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: soon like a Comedy Central Cluster Fast on Saturday twond

1459
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: and the Echo p X on June twelve, which is

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01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: a Tuesday, and the Bellhouse it's a venue in Echo Park,

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01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Honey, which will having many heads performing. It'll

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01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: be very fun. Um, okay, I think it's time. Meant

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01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 1: you have something, Okay, I'll start lately I've been starting.

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01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 1: I just got his point out the trend here. I've

1465
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 1: been prepared, all right, this is bone. I don't think so, honey.

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01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: And as time starts now, I don't think so, honey.

1467
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: Subway adds that specifically catered to rich millennial children, Honey,

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01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't like that fucking subway ad. That's like, well,

1469
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: don't do your parents pay for your rent? Fuck? You

1470
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: look God blessed. If you are blessed and charmed enough

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01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: to live in this horrendously rich, expensive city to live

1472
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: in and your parents are paying a rent, that's wonderful.

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01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: I don't I don't begrudge you of that, whatever it

1474
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: takes for you to survive in this town. But I

1475
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 1: don't think you should be catered to by advertisers. You

1476
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: get me. Look, there are plenty of other populations that

1477
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: should be catered to in this city with through subway ads.

1478
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't need every John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmit in this

1479
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 1: town to look at these this garbage, this driblets on

1480
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 1: our subways and think that they're supposed to They're not

1481
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: supposed to. Look, honey, you've got plenty of access to

1482
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: other things that you can opt into. Other forms of

1483
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: media that you can opt into. You have choices. Some

1484
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: of us do not. Some of us are four seconds.

1485
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: I would rather read a poem Honey by Mary Oliver

1486
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:32,759
Speaker 1: on the subway than this trash from he doesn't think so, honey.

1487
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Those subways. I don't like

1488
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: those subway adds. It's they're dumb to come up with

1489
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: something better. Okay, that's me. Matt has someone. This is

1490
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as time starts now,

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01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The story of the Tortoise

1492
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: and the hair. Let me tell you something, honey. If

1493
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 1: I've been working for years for the race, and I

1494
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: happened to be very good at racing, I better not

1495
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: lose to some dust the ass lazy asked tortoise. If

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01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm the hair and this is my moment, I've better

1497
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: win the race. I have been running around the fields.

1498
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna get up to the finish line and

1499
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 1: see a tortoise has beat me, I'm gonna ask what

1500
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 1: the fuck happened? Who does the tortoise know? Because there's

1501
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 1: nothing about the tortoise that should beat me in the race.

1502
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: The tortoise has his own moments to thrive. When the

1503
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: tortoises in the water, I can't be in the water.

1504
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 1: I'm the hair. When the tortoises protecting itself from predators,

1505
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: it has a shell. Yes, it should thrive, that's how

1506
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 1: it lives. But when it comes to the race and

1507
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm the hair, I'm gonna win. I don't think so, honey. Otherwise,

1508
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 1: one minute for you as the hair, to blame your

1509
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: loss on nepotism or there is no feasible reason why

1510
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 1: the tortoise should win. I have a problem with this,

1511
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 1: A sop look hair. The hair hubristically took a nap

1512
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 1: while the tortoise carried on and was you know what

1513
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,560
Speaker 1: the funk? How long was this nap? That's what? Is that?

1514
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: A coma? I don't believe that a that a tortoise

1515
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: would ever be. The hair was too long, and the

1516
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 1: tortoise beat the hair at the end. No, I disagree.

1517
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: I think there was some fucory and nonsense going on.

1518
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: I think Russia colluded. There was collusion the tortoise and

1519
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 1: the hair. Another goose paid someone cash. No, No, that's

1520
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: not how that works. I think it was Oligarch paid

1521
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: money to a stop top wrote the fab. Okay, so

1522
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: what you're saying is you think that there's some people

1523
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: out there, the powers that be you. Dylan Marrin is

1524
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: rocking back forth right now. I can tell he's getting

1525
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:52,679
Speaker 1: sold ready for as that. I truly like got into

1526
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: what you say. Are you do you stand with me?

1527
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:00,799
Speaker 1: Because I love that story? But I love your conviction,

1528
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: the passion and affirm your convictions. I feel that the

1529
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 1: story of the Tortoise and the hair attacks people who

1530
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: worked hard for their whole life. That's who's to say

1531
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 1: thertoise start all his life. He shouldn't even been doing

1532
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: that race. That's not fair. Didn't put him up for it.

1533
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: But I think that I think that. All I'm saying

1534
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: is I think there was some shady backdoor nonsen. You're

1535
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: putting people in boxes like how people put boxes. We're

1536
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: not allowed to do stand up the same thing. I

1537
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you're wrong and that I stick with myself.

1538
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: I PopEd a giant hoole. This is Dylan. Dylan, are

1539
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: you ready? Maybe this is going to be good? And

1540
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, no pressure. We're gonna get an edu. We

1541
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: have we have a master here. This is Dylan Marin's

1542
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I

1543
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. The idea voice for radio, what

1544
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: the fuck does that mean? If I can make sounds

1545
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: with my body that then come out of my vocal

1546
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 1: cords and into a microphone, guess the fuck what? I

1547
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: have a voice for radio. I am sick of people

1548
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: saying that the voice for radio is the low authoritative

1549
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: man's voice, because you that is adhering to the problematic

1550
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: notions of guess what the patriarchs, and then is saying

1551
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: that authority can only come from an assured male figure. Well,

1552
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:29,839
Speaker 1: guess the fuck what, bitch, I take that back, babe,

1553
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:33,719
Speaker 1: I said a problematic word. Guess the funk what, babe.

1554
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: I have been mistaken for my mom ever since I

1555
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 1: started sring the phone, and some people think my voice

1556
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 1: is grating and therefore doesn't belong on radio. But guess

1557
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: the funk what? I have a voice or radio. I

1558
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. And that's one minute, beautifully done.

1559
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 1: I relate to that. So the phone answering things so hard, ma'am,

1560
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 1: And I'm like, do not miss gender me queen? Yes, yeah,

1561
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: when I when I when I was studding, I have

1562
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 1: a story for you, guys. I know we're rapping, but

1563
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: but I want to tell you. When I was booking

1564
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: Todd's surprise trip to Disney World, I was I was blooming.

1565
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: I was like, just so I surprised my husband Todd

1566
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: with a trip to Disney World for his birthday. I

1567
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 1: just bloomed so hard that I had prolom Yeah, you

1568
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: got a prolapse, then fell out. I booked the trip

1569
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: and as I was on the phone with the woman

1570
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 1: who was, um, you know the Disney Amanda, Disney woman,

1571
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: that Disney imagineer is what they called them, m or

1572
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 1: the cast member. I don't think she was. She was

1573
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: a cast member beautifully, and she called me ma'am every time.

1574
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, this will be

1575
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 1: uncomfortable if I tell her um, Like how do I

1576
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:02,719
Speaker 1: subtly tell her? I'm um, I don't identify as a woman,

1577
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: and I wanted to. So I was like, okay, I

1578
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 1: have a great plan. Because also whenever I booked trips,

1579
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: I always want to make sure that like wherever I'm

1580
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 1: booking as queer friendly, right, And so I was like, okay,

1581
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 1: this is great, and I said, okay, so, um, you know,

1582
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 1: would you mind just telling me? I have a question?

1583
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 1: I always asked this, but I will be traveling with

1584
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 1: my husband, so is um, you know, is this like

1585
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 1: a gay friendly place? Kind of knowing the answer, knowing

1586
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 1: that Disney, you know, purports to accept all. And there

1587
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 1: were five seconds of silence on the on the other

1588
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: end of the line, and I was like, did I

1589
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 1: say something wrong? She was doing the math in her yeah,

1590
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, ma'am, what you do in

1591
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,719
Speaker 1: the privacy of your own room is your own business.

1592
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, she didn't get the hint. Also,

1593
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: what does she think I was asking? And I was like,

1594
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: I wasn't, like, where can we of bare backs? I

1595
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 1: don't think that was the answer she should have given. Well,

1596
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: she well, then I said this thing, and I was like, well,

1597
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: Disney does gay days, right, so it's like, so you're

1598
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 1: dropping intelligence and she was like, oh no, ma'am, like

1599
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:20,520
Speaker 1: only those are outside groups who do events inside the premises.

1600
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 1: And I was like what. And then for a moment

1601
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: I was reconsidering it. When you wish upon a star,

1602
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 1: you're talking to a homophobe on the phone. Well, I

1603
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: don't know she was a homophobe or just like misunderstood.

1604
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 1: Some people have heard this story and been like, maybe

1605
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: she thought she like continued to think I was a woman,

1606
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, are you asking? Like, are

1607
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable with gay people on Disney World? But like,

1608
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 1: that's not what I said, because she wouldn't have said,

1609
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 1: what you do in the privacy of your own room

1610
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 1: is your own business. Girl, You are too proper. I

1611
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: would have been like, Hi, excuse me. What I'm saying

1612
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: is I'm a man, and you have made this conversation

1613
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 1: very much more difficult than it had to be. I'm

1614
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 1: asking you if I'm going to get hunched in the

1615
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: face and answer yes, yes. But even like, I don't know, no,

1616
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 1: I think it's what I think. It's that thing where

1617
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 1: it's like the riddle of like I can't operate on

1618
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: this child, he's my son. It's like you can't fathom

1619
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: in your head that a surgeon would be a woman.

1620
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: It's like, I think, yeah, caught up in that mental turn,

1621
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:19,679
Speaker 1: I say something. H p J reached over and turned

1622
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 1: down my mic. When I started to talk about I mean,

1623
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 1: when I started to talk about gay rights and you're

1624
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 1: blaring into the microphone. And this happens every single episode.

1625
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: It happened during year. I don't think so, honey. I

1626
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 1: was looking at your audio waves and I was like,

1627
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: every single time, nothing, it's nothing, this is not It

1628
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 1: happens all the time. I was all right, lady got

1629
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, um well, I think that is a

1630
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 1: beautiful story. That sort of upsets me. But you know what,

1631
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 1: why not she really upset me. Most cast members are

1632
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: great at Disney Parks, and it's doing an amazing shop.

1633
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 1: She was very helpful. I just wanted to that's that's

1634
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: a funny story. It's a funny story. What you're doing

1635
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 1: the privacy of your own room. I knew, but but

1636
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: like it's it's a thing of like I really am

1637
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: not asking, like is it quiverly like fuck each other

1638
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 1: like in the Magic Kingdom. It's like, it's all right

1639
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 1: if I in my own hotel room, and if I

1640
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 1: sent in my husband's face, shut up, and you know

1641
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 1: what you would have said, you know what you should

1642
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 1: have said to her, which is what we're going to

1643
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 1: end this episode on. Dylan, thank you so much for

1644
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 1: being here. The Ted Talk. Everyone check it out. I

1645
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 1: love you very much. I love you. I can't speak

1646
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: for I love you so. I love you so much.

1647
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 1: You know what I love most about you? That you

1648
01:34:56,840 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: are beautiful no where God's no, the stays. I'm on

1649
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:07,719
Speaker 1: the right chat, baby, I was born this way, no

1650
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 1: matter gay, straight, you don't buy, let's be untranspennp. I'm

1651
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: on the right check baby. I was born this for hey,

1652
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:28,679
Speaker 1: same DNA, oh my god, fantasy you know. Just kidding

1653
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: and love you forever. This has been a Forever Dog

1654
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:41,600
Speaker 1: production executive produced by Brett Bahum, Joe Cilio, and Alex Ramsey.

1655
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: For more original podcasts, please visit Forever Dog Podcasts dot

1656
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:50,720
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1657
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:53,320
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1658
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,640
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1659
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