1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A triple homicide. In all 2 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: my years of prosecuting, I've only had a handful of 3 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: triple homicides to investigate and take to trial. And I 4 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: can tell you why they all go to trial, Because 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: who's going to sign up for either the death penalty 6 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: or three consecutive life sentences one after the next. It 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: might as well roll the dies and hope they get 8 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: a weak jury. But think about it, A triple homicide. 9 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: A single homicide crime scene is awful enough, devastating, jarring, 10 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: it sticks with you forever. But a triple homicide, especially 11 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: under these circumstances. IMC. Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank 12 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in 13 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: series XM one eleven. A triple homicide. But what if anything, 14 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: does sex have to deal with it? First of all, 15 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: take a listen to this tonight. We begin with breaking 16 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: news out of Oldmogi County. The Sheriff's office is investigating 17 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: a triple homicide north of Begs two works for use. 18 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,279 Speaker 1: Tatiana Taylor is on the scene with the latest information. Tatiana, 19 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: it's still an active scene right now. I'm here about 20 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: a mile away from the home where three people were 21 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: found dead. Police are still behind me blocking the road 22 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: and right now. Information is still scarce at this time, 23 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: but sheriff deputies tell us it happened around three this 24 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: afternoon in a rural neighborhood north of Begs on Lake 25 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: Ridge Drive. At this time, we don't know the cause 26 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: of deaths or the three victims names the triple homicide. 27 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: It is still being invested to get it, but we 28 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: will continue to keep you updated online as we've received 29 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: more information about what happened today. Hearing just that bit 30 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: of information is setting off all sorts of alarms in 31 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: my head, red flags of waving at me like I'm 32 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: a bull at a stadium. The matador would be the 33 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: killer with me. And I'll start panel making sense of 34 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: what we know right now. First of all, high profile 35 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: lawyer joining us from Jacksonville, Dale Carson. He's not just 36 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: a lawyer, he's a former FED with the FBI and 37 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: he's an author of Arrest Proof Yourself. You can find 38 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: him at Dale Carson Law dot com. Doctor Jerry Krosen, 39 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: Psychologists Faculty, sat Leo University, consultant with the Blue Wall 40 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: Institute and author of Operation s O S Joseph Scott Morgan, 41 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My 42 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon and start of a new hit series, 43 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: Body Bags. That just Scott Morgan on iHeart Dale Carson, 44 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Or were all three of the victims, 45 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: who are all adults, they were all asleep? Correct? That's right. 46 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: They were asleep until the rounds started going off and 47 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: then they pushed. Two of them tried to hide in 48 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: clausets in order to protect themselves, and one probably couldn't 49 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: do anything. Guys, take a listen to our France akfo 50 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: R News four investigators say two mass suspects were seen 51 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: on security cameras outside the rural home. Minutes later, the 52 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: electricity is cut. Reports say while the family slept, suspects 53 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: kicked in the door and shot them to death one 54 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: by one. Documents say Evelyn Chandler suffered mentally and physically 55 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: before the sixty nine year old was shot to death 56 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: as the suspects quote began firing gunshots, striking and killing 57 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: her husband, Jack Randall Chandler, as she attempted to hide 58 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: from the intruders, seeking refuge in her closet. I Corps 59 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: was also tortured and abused before she was killed. Because 60 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: the forty three year old quote herd intruders entered the 61 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: home she shared with her parents and began firing gunshots, 62 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: striking and killing her parents. The dichotomy of such a 63 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: brutal triple homicide and such a rural area seemingly with 64 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: low crime is very disturbing To leave my page Where 65 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: exactly exactly is Beg's, Oklahoma? So Beg's, Oklahoma is a 66 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: small town in Oklamolte County, Oklahoma, and that is about 67 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: an hour and a half east of Oklahoma City. So 68 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: the nearest big city is an hour and a half away. 69 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: So this is a very small town, very quiet, not 70 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: something where you would see these horrific triple homicides occur regularly. 71 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: Someone coming in in the middle of the night at 72 00:04:53,760 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: three am, when they know everybody is asleep, kicking in 73 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: the door and opening fire. To Levipage Crime online dot 74 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, I have not learned anything about a theft, 75 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: a burglary, a robbery, or a sex crime. Is that correct? 76 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: You're correct, Nancy. The only evidence was that the door 77 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: of the home was kicked in. We know that there 78 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: was a ballcap left out the scene, but there was 79 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: nothing stolen. Shell casings indicated that it was by two 80 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: different weapons, and that's all that investigators had when they 81 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: discovered this horrific murder scene. You're giving me a flashback 82 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: LEVI page. You said a single ball cap was found 83 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: at the same What kind of ball cap? We don't 84 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: know what kind it was. We just know that a 85 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: cap looked like a mail cap was left at the 86 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: scene in the driveway. Cap left at Saint in driveway. 87 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: You know Del Carson, high profile lawyer joining us out 88 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: of Jacksonville. It reminds me very much of a case 89 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: that I had to retry. The original case occurred when 90 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: I was in law school. The murderer and the attempted 91 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: murder and rape, and by the time I had graduated 92 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: law school, been a fed for three years, got finally 93 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: with the DA's office and had prosecuted for a year 94 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: or so. I was asked to retry the case. It 95 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: was reversed on appeal and sent back down for a 96 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: retrial by the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. All we 97 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: had was and when I tried to find in the 98 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,559 Speaker 1: evidence room the property that was left behind from the case. 99 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: We had one X ray and one baseball cap that 100 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: said kiss My Bass. That cap later became very, very 101 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: important because a guy had been spotted with a stolen 102 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: ATM card nearby on the video wearing the kiss My 103 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: Bass hat, and then the hat was found at the 104 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: scene just like this. So Del Carson, a baseball cap 105 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: may seem unimportant or innocuous, but in cases like these, 106 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: you gotta triple homicide. You don't have a rape, You're 107 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: not gonna get DNA. Nothing was stolen, so it's not 108 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: gonna be hopped, and you'll trace them through a pawn shop. 109 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: That hat could be very important. I mean, how do 110 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: I know it's not going to be on a McDonald's 111 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: drive through video thirty minutes before one of the twenty 112 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: four hour ones if there's one in the area. I mean, 113 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: who knows what you can learn from that hat? Well, 114 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: and more than that, today we get DNA from the 115 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: sweat band of the hat. And here is another critical point. 116 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: Someone tried to remove the rounds that were fired to 117 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: kill these people, put them in a hat, and the 118 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: like many criminals left it at the scene when they're 119 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: in a rushed apart. So that's all part of this. 120 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: Why would they try to hide the kind of rounds 121 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: that were used by taking the casings with them? Why 122 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: did that happen? And you know, Joe Scott Morgan enter 123 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: the scene, Joe Scott, because that is what you and 124 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: I love to dissect, is staging. Why would someone gather 125 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: up the shell casing? Yeah, and that is because they 126 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: are specific identifiers. And let me tell you what calibers were, Nancy. 127 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: We've got what is called a five point five six 128 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: millimeter round which is fired generally from what's referred to 129 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: as an M four platform, which is kind of a 130 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: military weapon that our troops use, high velocity round. And 131 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: then you've got nine millimeter rounds, which are most commonly 132 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: fired from a handgun, generally semi automatic. So you've got 133 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: these rounds that are being ejected all over the place, 134 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: and you know the perpetrators would have, first off, they 135 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: came prepared. Are a perpetrator, you know, when you've got 136 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: two weapons, you want to make sure that you're getting 137 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: the job done. Rolled off your tongue. Well, that's the 138 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: way we you know, unfortunately, as investigators, we kind of 139 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: have to inhabit the brains of these people many times. Yea, 140 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: I try not to. And when you know, to Dale's point, 141 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: not just DNA, but you know, these shell casings their 142 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: brass nancy and so that means that means that they 143 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: are a non porous surface. And what can happen is 144 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: as these individuals, assuming they're not wearing gloves or picking 145 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: up these rounds and spent casings and placing them in 146 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: a ballcap for instance, they are actually leaving latent prints 147 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: behind on the sides of these casings. So if you 148 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: can recover DNA and you can recover recover a latent print, 149 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: sometimes I can. That can be a winning shot a 150 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: grand sky either one. Either one of those would work 151 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: for me. Now, explained Joe Scott, how you are stating 152 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: that fingerprints. I hate to put too much information out 153 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: there because now perps they're going to be wiping off 154 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: the shelf as they load them or do it with gloves. 155 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: But explain how prints can be found on ammo? Yeah, 156 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: on Ammo particularly, it's it's done. And let me tell you, 157 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, you see you see these images on the 158 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: news and TV shows and whatnot where they're dusting for 159 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: prints on surfaces. That's not how this works. Not with 160 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: rounds like this. What's going to happen is that these 161 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: rounds will be carefully packaged and taken back. WHOA wait 162 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: a minute, m carefully packaged explained? Don't leave anything out? 163 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: Do they mean carefully packaged? How do they do it? 164 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: When you're trying to pick up a gun, a casing 165 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: or shell, you don't want to mess up the fingerprint 166 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: that could be on a partial. No, you don't, and 167 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: you have to be very very careful. The upside, the 168 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: upside with a if you're trying to recover a spent casing, 169 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 1: is that it actually has a hole where the projectile 170 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: has actually come out of. You can pick it up interiorly, 171 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: you know, you can take like a pencil, or you 172 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: can take, for instance, imagine a toilet paper roll. Yeah, 173 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: that's a good point. Yeah, you reach into the spent 174 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: cartridge like that and pick it up and you never 175 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: have to touch the exterior of the spint casing at all. 176 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: So you package it and then once it's sealed up, 177 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: maintaining that chain of evidence, as you know, you take 178 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: it to the lab and then you process it at 179 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: that moment time. Now you can go down two different 180 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: roads with this, you can either dust it or uh, 181 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, famously, we can uh use superglue fuming where 182 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: we put it into a case, heat up superglue, and 183 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: as that superglue that has essentially clouded up in this 184 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: environment begins to settle back down because of gravity, it 185 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: will actually fall on to the surface of this brass area. 186 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: And remember, fingerprints are generated from what's called fatty lipid 187 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: acids on the surface of this brass, and that that 188 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: that systomized fingerprint, that hisstomized superglue will actually fuse fuse 189 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: to the exterior of that brass and it will stay 190 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: there forever and ever. Amen, you're not going to get 191 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: rid of it, and you can actually appreciate the ridge 192 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: detail you're saying. And this is the math that when 193 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: it comes to ammunition which is so small, and you've 194 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: got a chance of getting a partial print, yeah, partial 195 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: which would still work. Yeah, I mean, hey, it's better 196 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: than nothing. You can get a partial print off that 197 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: tiny piece of evidence. I absolutely advise a superglue method, 198 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: which means you put the bullets into a closed container 199 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: with a superglue opened and the chemicals of a superglue 200 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: attached to my understanding, the human oils from the fingers 201 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: still on the m O. It sticks to it. It 202 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: will never come off. Superglue will never come off. And 203 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: then you take it out with a pair of tweezers 204 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: and you can get that partial print. It's awesome. Isn't 205 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: that incredible? Yes, it is and it will stay there 206 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: forever and ever. Amen. And you know how many times 207 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: have you and I been to evidence rooms that are 208 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: just so funky and nasty and dirty, and you lose 209 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: evidence in those environments with the supergluing, it binds. It's 210 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: a binder that time stories with Nancy Grace, Well, we're 211 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: talking about casings found in this cap other things found 212 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: at the scene of a triple homicide. The victims Tiffany Icr. 213 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: Jack Chandler, and Evelyn Chandler, Tiffany's parents, they're all dead. 214 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Kate j R. 215 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: H Deputies were called to a home on Lake Few 216 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: Circle Road in Banks after a relative found the bodies 217 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: of Jack Chandler, his wife Kay, and their daughter Tiffany 218 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: I Corps. All three victims had been shot multiple times 219 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: with at least two different caliber of weapons. It was 220 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: those shell casings and DNA found in a cap at 221 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: the scene that helped him investigators build their case. In 222 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: further processing of the crime scene, it was discovered that 223 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: the residence was equipped with a digital video surveillance system. 224 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: Investigators say the video showed two people arrived parking the road, 225 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: then walked to the house doctor Jorry Cross and psychologists 226 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: faculty Saint Leo University, author consultant doctor Jory Multiple shots 227 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: on each victim, two assailants. No, this was not about rate, 228 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: This was not about robbery. What do you make of 229 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: multiple gunshots on each victim. They don't want to make 230 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: sure they were just dead. They wanted to make sure 231 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: they were dead three or four times over. Yeah, looking 232 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: at the behavior, you know, this is definitely a planned attack, 233 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: so you know, and it's a family. So one of 234 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: them or all of them had some connection to this behavior. 235 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: The interesting thing with those two shots is that the 236 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: main connection to the triple homicide perps. I wouldn't really 237 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: call that behavior, but go ahead, well that's the way psychologically, 238 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: I look at everything as behavior because okay, the manifestation 239 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: of their psychological mindset, Okay, the going along with that 240 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: were both individuals the two shooters, they both contributed in 241 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: each body. Okay, so they're both responsible for deaths or attacks. 242 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: So there was a commitment some kind of bond between 243 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: these two assailants. Two. Oh, so a bond between the 244 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: two assailants the killers add a connection to at least 245 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: one of the three dead people, because I mean, just 246 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: common sense, they're not going to go in and shoot 247 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: one person and then be identified by the other two. 248 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: And we heard it the other two could be just 249 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: collateral damage that have to be eliminated, right, And we 250 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: also heard that one of the victims heard the gunshots 251 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: and tried to go hide in the closet. I mean, 252 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: doctor Jerry Cross. And it's everybody's nightmare that you're your 253 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: family's under attack and you're somebody's hiding in the closet 254 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: and then they open the closet door. It's straight out 255 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: of a horror film. Yes, I would imagine the mail 256 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: would be the first subject to be taken out because 257 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: this was planned. You know, they probably did some homework 258 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: on this, knowing who the assailants or who their victims were, 259 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: so he would be eliminated first and then the other 260 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: two just have to be like you said, they're witnesses. 261 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: They've got to be eliminated. Also, Del Carson, I heard 262 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: you jumping in. What is it? I care? First off, 263 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: the electricity is off, so these individuals of that electricity 264 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: cut go ahead. You know. Then there's delights, So you 265 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: have to have a player's light if you're going to 266 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: find those rounds. And if we know, when you fire 267 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: a semi automatic weapon, you don't ever know where those 268 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: expended cartridge cases were gonna go. So that means you 269 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: got a lot of time. They figured this out. They 270 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: have time, and so they can call around looking for 271 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: those rounds that they put in that cap. It was 272 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: later discovered because they left it at the scene. That's 273 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: really interesting the way you said that, Del Carson. It's 274 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: making me think about and analyze what really happened. Step 275 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: by step. I imagine they're crawling around looking for the 276 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: spent cartis shell and hey, Joe Scott, let me bring 277 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: you in. Because the first time I realized the significance 278 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: of the spent shell location, it was the DA My boss, 279 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: mister Slayton, longest serving district attorney in the country at 280 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: that time, I think it was thirty seven years. Loved him, 281 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: deeply like a grandfather to me. I heard him call 282 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: me over the loudspeaker, come to my office. I'm like, 283 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: so I ran, and I've told you I specifically turned 284 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: down a really nice office for one right by the stairwell, 285 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: so I didn't want to waste time going away on 286 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: an elevator. I ran down the stairwell to get to 287 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: his office and he handed me a file and said, 288 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: I want you to look into this. So he said, 289 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: turned out a friend of his that he had started 290 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: law practice with many years before, daughter had committed suicide 291 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: grown daughter. So I went to the scene and the 292 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: medical examiners had taken very they have their own investigators 293 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: had taken very careful measurements from the bed to the 294 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: shell of cartridge in from the wall. They were taking 295 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: very minute measurements. Why to make sure it was a suicide. Well, 296 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: it was not a suicide because at the crime lab, 297 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: when we put the sheets up against the light, you 298 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: could see blood spatter under her pillow where she was 299 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: laying when she reported it. And there's that would be 300 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: impossible because laying on the pillow. The point is cartridge 301 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: showcasings can bounce around, Yeah they can't. Yeah, but they can. 302 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: They can also give you a little bit of an 303 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: idea where the shooter was at the time of the shooting. Yeah, 304 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: to a certain degree, you know, to Dale's point, it's 305 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: real dynamic in this environment. It depends on what kind 306 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: of surface they strike too when they because they can 307 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: bounce like like nuts all over the place. And there's 308 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: one big linkage here. I think that's real important that 309 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: Dale brought up Nancy, and this is striking to me. 310 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: The electricity was cut. Yeah, the fact and the fact 311 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: that the electricity was cut gives me as an investigator 312 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: and indication that whoever felt well, first off, you got 313 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: to feel comfortable with taking out the electricity. But secondly, 314 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: and most importantly, this idea that the electricity is off 315 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: means that the individuals that were involved in this case 316 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: had a real level of comfort in this environment. That 317 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: they would be able to walk in to a darkened environment, 318 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: unless of course they've got you know, night vision equipment, 319 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: which I doubt they did, and move around in the darkness. 320 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: That means that you have to know specifically where you're going, 321 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: and in your mind you might even be counting steps. Okay, 322 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: I know where this person's bedroom is I know where 323 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: this person's bedroom is and you're creeping down the hallway. Now, 324 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: of course there maybe they've got flashlights. But again it 325 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: goes to comfort in this environment, because if you feel 326 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: real and safe about an environment, what's the first thing 327 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: you do when you walk into the art area. Yea, guys, 328 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Abbey Broils kfo R four. 329 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: The murder mystery in Oakmulgee County could be coming down 330 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: to a footprint. On this day, we now know investigators 331 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: went back inside Harris's home to get a pair of boots. 332 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: Officers believed they could match a footprint from the murder scene. 333 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: It's been over a month since Jack and Evelyn Chandler, 334 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: along with their daughter Tiffany Korps, were found murdered in 335 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: their home. Beggs talk about forensics a possible boot print, 336 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: but now I the belie a bizarre twist. Take a 337 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: listen to our cut to kfo R attorney David Bedford, 338 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: the former law partner of Kegan Harrows. He told me 339 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: he had concerns about Harrows and one of her clients 340 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: and took us concerns to the Bar Association and District 341 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: Attorney's office months ago. David Bedford says investigators from the 342 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: Ocmulgi County Sheriff's Office came to talk to him on 343 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: Friday about the triple homicide near Beggs and this woman, 344 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: attorney Kegan Harrows. Bedford and Harrows previously had a relationship 345 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: and practice law together. Bedford had concerns about Harrows and 346 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: her boyfriend and client, a man with a violent record, 347 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: and reported his concerns to the bar and a DA. 348 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: Her client is charged in a domestic abuse case in 349 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: Oklahoma County. The victim, Tiffany Ikorps Ikorps, and her parents, 350 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: Jack and Evelyn Chandler, were found dead inside the Chandler's 351 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: home on September seventh. Bedford says investigators showed him a 352 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: video of two people believed to be involved in the murders. 353 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: Bedford said he couldn't tell who was in the video. Then, 354 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: he says, investigators asked him if they knew what they 355 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: could find. Keegan Harrows, Okay, let me understand this LEAVI 356 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: page out of the blue, out of nowhere. After the 357 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: triple homicide, an attorney, David Bedford contacts authorities and he 358 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: is concerned about a former law partner, female, Keegan Harrows. 359 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: He says he was concerned that Harrows was in a relationship, 360 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: a sex relationship with a bad guy. Barry tied us. 361 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: The second. Barry tied us the second had a domestic 362 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: case with previous domestic case where he was going to 363 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: be prosecuted for beating up to in the Ichorps now dead. 364 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: Did I get that right? Yes, Mancy, you're correct. Tiffany 365 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: Iicorps one of the victims. She was shot, her body 366 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: riddled with bullets. Investigators discovered that she met Barry Titus 367 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: on the dating Aptember tender and she started a relationship 368 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: with him, and she said a month into the relationship 369 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: things went haywire. She went through hell that he would 370 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: abuse her, kick her, strangle her, and that he would 371 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: strangle her as a way to what he said, test her. Oh, 372 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: he strangled her to quote test her, Yes, to see 373 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: how tough she was. Okay, So I want to get 374 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: back to this lawyer. So she is now in a 375 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: relationship with the strangler. She represented him on those charges. 376 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: She represented very very Titus on those charges. Okay. So 377 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: concerning that her former law partner the cops about their 378 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: sex relationship when he hears about the triple homicide. Okay, 379 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: so now that her former boyfriend and law partner calls 380 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: the cops, owner, the cops make a visit. Take a 381 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at KFORE four. The murder mystery 382 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: in Oakmulgee County could be coming down to a footprint. 383 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: On this day, we now know investigators went back inside 384 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: Harris's home to get a pair of boots. Officers believed 385 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: they could match a footprint from the murder scene. It's 386 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: been over a month since Jack and Evelyn Chandler, along 387 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: with their daughter Tiffany Ichorps, were found murdered in their 388 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: home near Begs. Cops then continue their search. They're now 389 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: focused on the relationship this female lawyer has with Korn's 390 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: previous abuser. Take a listen to our friends at KFO R. 391 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: As we reported, Harris, his boyfriend, Barry Titus, used to 392 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: be in a relationship with Tiffany Ikorps, and Ichorp had 393 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: a domestic abuse case against Titus in Oklahoma County. His 394 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: attorney in that case, Keegan Harris. A new surch warrant 395 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: shows the two claimed to be married they've been living 396 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: here in northwest Oklahoma City, where investigators took the GPS 397 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: data from her SEV last week. They also seized another 398 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: cell phone that was not at her home the last 399 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: time they rated it. So let me understand, leave I pay. 400 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: She represented him and the previous domestic assault that the 401 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: victim brought against him. That's how they met. You're correct, 402 00:26:53,720 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. It wouldn't be the first 403 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: time a lawyer or some other person a civilian goes 404 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: into the penitentiary and falls in love with an inmate. 405 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten our friends at 406 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: ABC Today, Joyce Tilling Mitchell in stripes, shackles and tears, 407 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: pleading guilty to helping the two murderers escape. She was 408 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: swept off her feet a bit for a period, and 409 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: then when she realized who she was dealing with, everything changed. 410 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: In newly released statements, Mitchell describes a deepening friendship withinmate 411 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: Richard Matt quote he treated me with respect and was 412 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: nice to me. She says he made me feel special. 413 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: That relationship turning sexual. Inmate Matt grabbed me and kissed me. 414 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: Mitchell also admits sending naked pictures to the other prisoner, 415 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: David Sweat, telling police Matt told her we were all 416 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: going to be together. She got in over her head 417 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: into something that she never should have started, but she did, 418 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: and she's paying the price. Mitchell admits smuggling hacksall blades, chisels, 419 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: a punch tool, and a screwdriver to the prisoners, hiding 420 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: them inside frozen hamburger meat, Matt giving her two pills 421 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 1: to drug her husband Lyle. On the day of the escape. 422 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: They referred to Lyle as the glitch. They talked about 423 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: her husband as the glitch. Now, wait a minute, Jackie, 424 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: did I just hear this? She said he's cheating me 425 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: with respect? Didn't they have sex in the closet? Okay? 426 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: You know, I think I need a shrink. Doctor Jerry 427 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: Cross and helped me out. This is a seamstress with 428 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: a happy marriage, and then she she's a seamstress in 429 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: the jail. She falls for these guys, convicted felons. They're 430 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: having sex in the closet. She's sending nuty picks. Apparently 431 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: that's what happened, and it seems like, you know, there's 432 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: vulnerability there. Wait, swept off her feet. How do you 433 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: get swept off your feet. He certainly didn't wine and 434 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: din her. Maybe he gave her a cup of pruno 435 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: that he made under his buck. How can he get 436 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: swept off your feet by convict? Yeah, the most convicts 437 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: are very smooth talkers. They're very manipulative, you know, that's 438 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: part of their personality, their criminal profile personality, that's their 439 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: tradecraft is to be able to talk and manipulate people. 440 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: And especially you know, they recognize victims in the type 441 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: of victims, and this woman seemed to have vulnerabilities that 442 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: were just capitalized, you know, by them. Well, she's not 443 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: the only one. This samestress Joyce Mitchell, take a listen 444 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: now out twelve of our friends at CBS six Richmond. 445 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: Now Roughly five years later, Tapper faces charges for allegedly 446 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: giving an inmate at the Riverside Regional Jail a cell 447 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: phone and drugs. The Commonwealth Attorney in Prince George says 448 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: it happened in December and that the case remains under investigation. 449 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: While nearly all documents related to the case are seal 450 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: and the prosecutor declined to name the inmate, crime in 451 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: Cider sources tell CBS six Tapper did visit one inmate 452 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: hundreds of times in jail, smuggled him drugs, and even 453 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: had sex with him behind bars. Del Carson, no offense 454 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: to all the men on the panel today. But my 455 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: grandmother used to say, men are like buses. There'll be 456 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: a new one in fifteen minutes. Don't get crazy. So 457 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: why do you have to go behind bars to have 458 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: sex with the convict? Well, you know, part of this 459 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: is that when you're a defense attorney, you've got to 460 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: adopt that defendant's position in order to effectively argue it 461 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: in court. And that makes a connection between people that 462 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't ordinarily exist. And many lawyers have no experience with 463 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: the real criminal element, and as a result, they're not 464 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: aware of their proclivity for manipulation. Who hey, I just 465 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: want you to hear something before you say one more word, 466 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: Del Carson, I want you to hear about the guy 467 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: behind bars. This she fell for. This is who he 468 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 1: really is. Take a listen to ARCA at nine. Andrew 469 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: Roberts is a convicted killer found guilty of the deaths 470 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: of his wife, Louise Lum and eight month old daughter 471 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 1: Tia at their home. Roberts was just twenty two at 472 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: the time. He strangled both while high on a cocktail 473 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: of drink and drugs. Roberts sprayed the victim's bodies with 474 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: perfume and after shaved to mask the smell, and then 475 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: left the residence to carry on partying. Authorities captured him 476 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: five days later. He was sentenced to two life terms. 477 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: Thank you Tyl all Right Crime Online for that information. 478 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: So this guy Andrew Roberts who killed his wife and 479 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: eight month old daughter, Tia, then sprayed them with aftershave 480 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: perfume to mask the smell so he could go ahead 481 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: and party. And that's who she fell in love with. Well, 482 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: no offense to women, but sometimes people like a bad boy, 483 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: and that clearly is a bad boy. Oh really, So 484 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: you're blaming the women of course, Yeah, I'm blaming them too. 485 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: But what about all those SAPs that are sending Jodi 486 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: Arius money and love notes and want to marry her 487 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: behind bars? Hey, it's not just women, So wake up 488 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: and smell the coffee tale, Carson. Let me just give 489 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: you one more tiny example, gos, there's so many to 490 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: pick from. Let's go with our cut fourteen. Our friends 491 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: at wpt Z listen. In fall of twenty fifteen, Denise 492 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: Prel was hired by the Department of Corrections and Community 493 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: Supervision or DOCKS. She was a supervisor in the tailor shop, 494 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: hired around the same time former present seamstress Joyce Mitchell 495 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: was sentenced for her role in the twenty fifteen escape. 496 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: Fast forward to spring twenty sixteen, Prel was transferred to 497 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: Taylor Shop five, where she met an inmate. That's where 498 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: the two tell police their love story started, a similar 499 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: situation to the one that sparked the infamous love triangle 500 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: leading to the twenty fifteen prison break. The inmate is 501 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: quoted in court documents saying the two fell in love. 502 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: They say they started writing letters to each other under 503 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: the alias Gwen Freeman. Gwendolenis Prel's middle name. Freeman was 504 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: in reference to the inmate eventually becoming a Freeman. Then 505 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: it turned to phone calls. The documents say prels sending 506 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: the inmate at least three hundred and fifty dollars. The 507 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: inmates tells police that the two were planning on living 508 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: with each other once he's released from prison. So it 509 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: looks like lightning dust strike twice at the same location. 510 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: Another affair with a different inmate, and another woman brought 511 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: into the tailor shot. So you know, I could go 512 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: on and on and on. I've got so many cases 513 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: of women going behind bars for whatever legitimate reason, falling 514 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: in love, having sex with the inmate behind bars, and 515 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: then suddenly they're helping them bust out of jail. Now, 516 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 1: in this case, however, the case of Tiffany Ichorps and 517 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: both her parents, Jack and Evelyn, it was much more 518 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: than a jailbreak. We now have three dead bodies on 519 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: our hands. I'm giving you a little peek at the 520 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: charming guys these women are meeting behind bars. Let's take 521 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: a look at who this lawyer, Keegan Harris in her thirties, 522 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: her whole life ahead of her, a well known lawyer. 523 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: This is who she falls for behind bars. Take a 524 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: listen to our forensic crime online. Tiffany Ikorp meets Barry 525 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: Titus on the dating app Tender. Just a month into 526 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: the relationship, Ichorps reports to police. They tit Us kicks her, 527 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: hits her, and strangles her as a way to test her. 528 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: She says. Titus also introduced Ichorp to meth and heroin. 529 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: Two months later, Titus beats Ichorps so severely she's in 530 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: the hospital for days. Her injuries include cracked ribs, a 531 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: lacerated river, lacerated kidney, and bruises on her arms, legs, stomach, 532 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: and neck. Iicorps tells police that when she passes out 533 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: during the beatings, Titus wakes her by pouring water on her, 534 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: then strangles her again until she passes out. Police try 535 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,919 Speaker 1: to charge Titus, but Ichorps refuses to cooperate. Three months later, 536 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: it happens again. A witness calls police, saying that Titus 537 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 1: is beating Korps, but Ichorps refuses to cooperate. Just got Morgan, 538 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: professor forensics. How do you get a lacerated liver? Oh, 539 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: it rises specifically from blunt force trauma, Nancy, And that 540 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: means that you put a fist in there, you kick, 541 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: you can drive your shoulder into somebody. We see lacerated 542 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: livers many times actually in car accidents. So that gives 543 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: you an idea as to the amount of force that's applied. 544 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: You know, many times, Nancy, when you're talking about abuse symptoms, 545 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: they can have a laceration to either the spleen or deliver, 546 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: which are kind of parallel to one another in the cavity, 547 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: but there won't be any kind of external insult. You 548 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: won't see many times you won't see an overlying contusion. 549 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 1: Sometimes you will. But you're saying a bruise. You don't 550 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: see a bruise. Well, you know, it's just kind of 551 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: my vernacular, but yeah, a bruise. Yes, Before you go 552 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: to too deep into that, I want to talk. Bring 553 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 1: us back to the victim, Tiffany Ichorps. She's taking these horrible, 554 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: horrible beatings at the hands of the new boyfriend, Barry Titus. 555 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: The second she's too afraid to press charges, but finally 556 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: she does take a listen hour cut seventy. Tiffany Ichorps 557 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: GID file charges against Titus a few months later, after 558 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: cutting off contact with him and getting counseling. After Titus 559 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: is arrested and charged with a salt reports say someone 560 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: left a package of white powder on I coorse porch. 561 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: Testing shows its powdered sugar, but police think someone is 562 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: trying to intimidate or scare her. A protective order is 563 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: filed against Titus a month later. Records show his attorney 564 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: for that case, the assault case, and unrelated charges in 565 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: Cleveland County is Keegan Heroes. So enter Keegan hair Oz. 566 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: That's who's assigned to be his defense attorney after this 567 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: monstrous domestic beating where he nearly beats Tiffany Ichor dead, 568 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: then tries to intimidate her by leaving. I don't know 569 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: what he was trying to pretend it was, but he 570 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 1: left sugar and a container I guess to make her 571 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: think it was some dangerous powder on her doorstep. But 572 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 1: everything progresses rapidly. Take a listen to our friends at 573 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: kfo R. You might remember the name Kegan Harros. She's 574 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: an attorney caught up in a twisted love triangle. She 575 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: was representing her boyfriend Barry Titus after his ex girlfriend, 576 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: Tiffany Ikorps, accused him of making threats to kill her 577 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 1: and her family. Ikorps and her parents were later murdered 578 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: by two masked killers at their home and begs. However, 579 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: to this day, no charges have ever been filed, law 580 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: enforcement officials only saying Harros and Titus are connected to 581 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: the case. But Harris took a plea deal for a 582 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: federal weapons charge and served twenty four months in prison. 583 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: At that time, no arrests the police investigators, indicating that 584 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: somehow the female attorney is connected to Barry Titus. Second, 585 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: the case progresses, Take a listen to our friends at 586 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: kfo R News for court documents show state prosecutors believe 587 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,720 Speaker 1: very Titus and his Oklahoma City attorney turned lover, Kegan 588 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,240 Speaker 1: Harris quote should be punished by death for the murders 589 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: of Titus's ex girlfriend, Tivity Korps and her parents, Jack 590 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: and Evelyn Chandler. Before the love triangle formed, Ikorps accused 591 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 1: forty year old Titus of threatening her family. She also 592 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 1: had a pending domestic abuse case against him. Representing Titus 593 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: was thirty eight year old Harris. Reports say while the 594 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: family slept, Titus and Harris kicked in the door and 595 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: shot them to death one by one. The state alleges 596 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: Ikorps was killed so Titus could quote avoid prosecution for 597 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: the domestic assault case, adding, Titus and Harris killed the 598 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: Chandlers so they could get away with killing their daughter. 599 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: A year and a half later, both Titus and Harris 600 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: charged with three counts of first degree murder and one 601 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: burglary charge. Oh what a tangled web we weave. First 602 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: we've practice to deceive. Let me understand, leave I fade 603 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,760 Speaker 1: crime online. So the two figures seen on surveillance going 604 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,439 Speaker 1: into Tiffany Ichorps and her parents' home are not only, 605 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: according to Coss, Barry Titus a second, but she a 606 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: female lawyer under his spell, goes with him and together 607 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: they gunned down three people in their sleep so he 608 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: won't have to answer up on domrell domestic relations attack. 609 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 1: You're correct, Nancy. In the surveillance video, two masked figures 610 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: approached the home. One was tall believed the van then, 611 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: and another was much shorter. We now know it was 612 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: a female and the hat that was found at the 613 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: scene contained the DNA of Titus in it. The shell 614 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: casings they were traced back to an original owner who 615 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: owned a shooting range and he said that Barry Titus 616 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,959 Speaker 1: and his girlfriend his attorney Arose, purchased the gun there 617 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: and he said they also hired the gun there and 618 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: police got shell casings and it matched the shell casings 619 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: found at the triple homicide scene. Is it true the 620 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,879 Speaker 1: prosecutors are planning to seek the death penalty LEVI, That 621 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: is correct, Nancy. They say that the victims suffered mental anguish, 622 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: mental torture, and extreme fear because of these attacks, Hiding 623 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: in the closet, waiting to die, We wait as justice 624 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: unfals Nancy Gray's crime stories, signing off goodbye,