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Speaker 1: Today on the bright side. What do you do when

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Speaker 1: the world tells you to stay in your lane, but

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Speaker 1: you've got ten ideas, two podcasts, a book deal, and

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Speaker 1: your own publishing imprint. If you're a writer, comedian and

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Speaker 1: actor Phoebe Robinson, you build your own highway. This conversation

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Speaker 1: is your permission, slipt to laugh your way to the top.

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Speaker 2: Just prove yourself right. It's not even proving them wrong,

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Speaker 2: because that's centering them.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to center them. I want to center myself.

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Speaker 3: This is my work. This is like what I want

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Speaker 3: to do. This is what makes me happy.

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Speaker 2: Prove myself right that I was correct to believe in myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm Simone Boyce and this is the bright side from

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Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Oh, get ready to have a good time today, Bessies.

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Speaker 1: I've always been drawn to artists who do a little

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Speaker 1: bit of everything and still make it look effortless. And

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Speaker 1: our guest today Phoebe Robinson. I mean, she's kind of

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Speaker 1: the blueprint. She's one of those rare people whose comedy

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Speaker 1: disarms you, her pop culture hot takes make you cackle,

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Speaker 1: and her career moves quietly rewrite the rules for what's possible,

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Speaker 1: especially for underrepresented voices in entertainment. Phoebe Robinson is a comedian,

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Speaker 1: best selling author, podcaster, producer, actor, and the founder of

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Speaker 1: her very own publishing imprint, Tiny Reparations Books. But what

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Speaker 1: I find so compelling about her isn't necessarily those accolades

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Speaker 1: and credits or her resume. It's how she's navigated building

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Speaker 1: this public life and this incredible creative legacy with humor, vulnerability,

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Speaker 1: and zero interest in being anyone but herself. Phoebe and

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Speaker 1: I actually met many, many years ago. This was earlier

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Speaker 1: on in our career journeys. So I'm really excited for

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Speaker 1: you to hear this conversation today because it honestly feels

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Speaker 1: a lot like a catchup and a full circle moment,

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Speaker 1: and you'll hear how real she is about some of

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Speaker 1: those really tough moments that come between a no and

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Speaker 1: a yes, that come between rejection and validation. And also,

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Speaker 1: if you follow her on social media, yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: she's obsessed with sex and the city, as am I.

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Speaker 1: So if you're a fan of that universe, you are

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Speaker 1: going to want to stick around to the end, I

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Speaker 1: promise you. Okay, get ready, y'all, this one's a ride,

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Speaker 1: Phoebe Robinson, Welcome to the bright Side.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, I like your sweaters very cute, very cute.

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Speaker 1: Do you know where I got it? I got it

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Speaker 1: in one of those tourist shops, like twenty minutes ago. Ah. So,

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Speaker 1: Phoebe and I first met probably about a decade ago,

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Speaker 1: when I was a reporter here in the city. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you this label, but I

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Speaker 1: so fresh. I was in my twenties, and we did

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Speaker 1: this segment on a rooftop and you were so gracious

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Speaker 1: to do it. This was back when like rooftops in

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Speaker 1: New York City were the thing. This is like twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty sixty. But I realized as I was preparing for

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Speaker 1: this interview today that I don't know that I've ever

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Speaker 1: gotten the full Phoebe Robinson origin story.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, okay, buckle up. I'm skidding. It's not that interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is interesting, so we're gonna do it. Okay. So, okay,

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Speaker 1: you were born in.

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Speaker 3: Ohio, yes, Cleveland? Yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: How would your family describe you as a kid? Were

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think everyone in my family's like kind

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Speaker 2: I wasn't really a class clown or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: was very much a tomboy. I don't even know that

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Speaker 1: Were you competitive growing up?

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Speaker 2: I you know, like in school, I was very much

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Speaker 2: I have a level of versatility, like I can kind

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Speaker 2: Like I was just like, I'm just going to be me,

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Speaker 2: which is Phoebe and that's it, and you know, find

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Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, yeah, what was that process like of

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Speaker 1: discovering Phoebe's voice, because I think that's something that every

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like an amalgamation of like different things

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Speaker 2: and then create, create, Create with not the attention of like,

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Speaker 1: You sound like a seasoned stand up comedian talking right now,

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Speaker 1: because I do think, just from the outside looking in,

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Speaker 1: I think that practice of getting up on stage, bombing, failing,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean even now, I'm like, I started doing

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Speaker 2: a stand up two thousand and eight, so what is that?

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Speaker 3: So are you going seventeen years? Okay?

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Speaker 2: like it's just like I think when you start out,

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Speaker 1: I think everything you're saying right now, and especially that

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Speaker 1: But in fact, everything that we want is on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, there was this video is this

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Speaker 1: So it's so funny to me the things that the

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Speaker 1: you have so many different talents. You have written three books,

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Speaker 1: your why when you got into this business?

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Speaker 2: Ooh, when I started out doing stand up which I

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Speaker 3: Lindsay knewist we were.

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Speaker 2: We went to college together at Pratt and she wanted

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Speaker 3: Girl, why do you want to do that?

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Speaker 2: Like I truly did give a shit about stand up,

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Speaker 1: The fact that it was incoming too. No, but you

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Speaker 4: No, she chased after us, who's the princess? It's me, honey.

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Speaker 1: Totally chill you publish over thirty bucks now, So Chill

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Speaker 1: and Another Congratulations is an order on Marsha by Tourmaline.

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Speaker 1: It is now a national bestseller and the very first

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Speaker 2: Batman in a cave just waiting to like save the day.

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Speaker 2: I really thought that was important because I think when

439
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: we learn about activists, we don't learn about that side.

440
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Speaker 3: And I think there was just such.

441
00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: A thoughtfulness in Tourmaline's writing like that she wrote, you

442
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: feel like you're one hundred percent in like whatever scene

443
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 2: she's writing about.

444
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 3: You feel like, oh, I'm back in like this time period.

445
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Speaker 2: And like, I think that's a very unique skill set

446
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: that an author can have that can make you feel

447
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: like you're being transported back in time. And so I

448
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: think those are two wonderful qualities about the book and

449
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 2: everyone should read it.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is an example of you giving yeses to

451
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: people who traditionally have heard a lot of notes, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: and I know that's something that you can relate to.

453
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Speaker 1: And you're someone who says yes to yourself even when

454
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Speaker 1: people around you say no. What is that really like

455
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, because I know it's a lot more

456
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Speaker 1: work than we get to see.

457
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's do you know I'm so I'm

458
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,959
Speaker 2: a Libra with scorpio moon and Pisces rising, So they

459
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 2: are lots.

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Speaker 4: Of feelings, darling, a lot of tears, but that's just

461
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 4: a part of it.

462
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: You know.

463
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Speaker 3: And I think the people who know me know that, like.

464
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: Me, crying isn't like I am gonna throw myself off

465
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Bridge. It's like I just have all this

466
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: energy that's pent up and I just like need to

467
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: let it out. And I think that, you know, rejection

468
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 2: is hard, Like I know, you get to a point

469
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: where you kind of like let it roll off your

470
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: back a little bit, but you're still gonna get caught.

471
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: On those days we're like oh ouch, that like that no,

472
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: like really stung and that like I feel really low

473
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,479
Speaker 2: now and I'm just gonna you know, I think I'm

474
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Speaker 2: just gonna get into bed and watch.

475
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Speaker 3: A little bit of TV for a couple hours. I

476
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Speaker 3: feel like garbage. But on the whole, I think.

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Speaker 2: For me, I will go when I get like a note,

478
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Speaker 2: and I got like a no, I have like a

479
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 2: string of nose past six months, which I was like, yikes, okay,

480
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: that's a lot universe. But when I get all those notes,

481
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: I just sort of like I look at the data,

482
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 2: I look at my life and I call it data.

483
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're just gonna look at these data points,

484
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: and I'm like, ninety eight percent of the time, I

485
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: end up being right. Like I get all these notes,

486
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: like nobody wanted to publish my book, only one publisher

487
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: wanting to publish it, and then it went on to

488
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 2: become a New York Times bestseller, you know what I mean.

489
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: So I like, I just always knew that, like my

490
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: writing was good and that it was funny and that

491
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: people would want to read it, And so I just

492
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: tend to just go, just prove yourself right. It's not

493
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Speaker 2: even proving them wrong, because that's centering them. I don't

494
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: want to center them. I want to center myself.

495
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Speaker 3: This is my work.

496
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Speaker 2: This is like what I want to do. This is

497
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Speaker 2: what makes me happy. Prove myself right that I was

498
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 2: correct to believe in myself. It always like works out

499
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: in the end, although I did see it.

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Speaker 1: I love that something. I will stop you real quickly. Okay,

501
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: I love that so much. Oh thanks. Proving myself right

502
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: as opposed to proving others right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fuck them? Who cares?

504
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Speaker 1: What are those moments that make you emotional and like

505
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: make the tears come? Is it those moments of rejection

506
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: and hearing those nose.

507
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, or it's just like you.

508
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: Put so much like energy in it, and like you know,

509
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: Hollywood can move at such a glaially slope pace and

510
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: it can just make you go, my god, I've spent

511
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: years and I have nothing to show for you know

512
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: what I mean. We're doing like all the development process

513
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, and it could really be frustrating.

514
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: But that is why, you know, I tell people, as

515
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: much as I love what I do, it is not

516
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: who I am, So that outlet could look like any

517
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: sort of thing, you know what I mean, doesn't have

518
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 2: to necessarily be tied to my job. And so telling

519
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: myself that, which I feel like. I was a workaholic

520
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: for a long time and then COVID kind of like

521
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: it was like a lot like I was just so

522
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 2: like stressed out and then I like went to therapy

523
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: and I was like, we got to like unpack this,

524
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: Like my life can't just be about.

525
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Speaker 1: Work before we dive into that. Let's take a quick

526
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: break and we're back with Phoebe Robinson. Would you say

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Speaker 1: that running and running marathons has been one of those

528
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Speaker 1: outlets for you because I know You've been sharing a

529
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Speaker 1: lot of your running journey, which is so impressive.

530
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Speaker 3: Yeah, girl, I had no hobbies.

531
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Speaker 4: I had no hobbies.

532
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Speaker 1: Saw some hobbies.

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Speaker 4: Do you know how insane? I did nothing for fun

534
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Speaker 4: at all. I was just like, I'm gonna do work and.

535
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Speaker 1: Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: It was just like, you know, I got asked during

537
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Speaker 2: COVID my publicist Hi Sam. She was like, Oh, this

538
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: was I think gonna be timed with the really of

539
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: my last book. Please don't sit on my bed and

540
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: you're outside clothes and it's like, oh, I got this

541
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: thing for like the New York Times. It's like a

542
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 2: fun article where it's like your secret, like hobbies or

543
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: passions or skills. And I was like I thought about

544
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: it and I was like, oh, I don't have any,

545
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: so we have to pass. And she was like, Phoebe,

546
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: it's like the New York Times.

547
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 3: And I go, Samantha, I don't do anything.

548
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: That feels like a real wake up call that moment

549
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: that's like a major cry for help.

550
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 4: It was like, I don't do anything for fun.

551
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: All I do is monetize everything.

552
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: I want to know. That's a real come to Jesus moment.

553
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I was like, that's not good to

554
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: be thirty eight and you don't you don't do anything

555
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: that gives you pleasure in this like raggedy ass world

556
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 2: we live in, Like that's just you can't live that way.

557
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: And so running has been like one the's amazing hobbies.

558
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: And I'm actually started training to run for Berlin Marathon,

559
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: which will be my fourth world major. Wow.

560
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: Okay, we have a little segment on our show that

561
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: we like to call popping off. Okay, we are going

562
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: to get some Phoebe hot takes on pop culture. So

563
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: let's start with and just like that, it's back you guys.

564
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: Uh oh uh oh, she's she has her head in

565
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: her palm. She's looking stressed.

566
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: It's just it's too much.

567
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me everything. How are you? How are you?

568
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: You're not feeling great about it?

569
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: Listen, I am Sex and the City is my all

570
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: time favorite show. I love everything in the Sex and

571
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: the City multiverse. So I will watch it all till

572
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: the end. I've seen Sex and the City like and

573
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: its totality like I don't know, six eight, seven times wow, whatever,

574
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: I just love it, and just like that, I do

575
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: not know what's going on, and it's starting to feel

576
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: a little like.

577
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: Abuse because you need more, you need more? What what

578
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: do you need?

579
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: It feels like I was a Stockholm syndrome. I'm like

580
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: locked inside with these characters. I don't recognize.

581
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, here's the thing about and just like that,

582
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: I've I've got because I also am a huge sex

583
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: in the city fan. I'm a late on set sex

584
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: and a city fan. But I think that it is

585
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: there's no way we're gonna be able to recapture the

586
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: lightning in a bottle essence of the first show.

587
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: Correct, But this.

588
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: Allows us to just get a little taste scratches that itch.

589
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: We get to stay in that world. I hear your team, Aiden,

590
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: so you should be happy about that at least, Carl.

591
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 4: What are they doing to Aiden?

592
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: Why are they on a five year break?

593
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 4: Why is he licking his hand and like touch his dick?

594
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: I don't even see that shit he did? Yes?

595
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: Did you? I'm locked up?

596
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: Did you see the season three?

597
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: So I remember?

598
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: But he drunk dial care.

599
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: He was like an egg for you. He literally did that.

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00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 4: No, Like I was like, I don't want to say it.

601
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: I know you gotta do it.

602
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: No, I'm I what is it. That's like an egregious offense.

603
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: Too much.

604
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 4: It's too much.

605
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: I literally I just want to be like Sarah Jessica Parker.

606
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: Call Kim Katrell, make it right, make it right. Okay,

607
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: the show does not work without Kim.

608
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: We need Samantha. We need Samantha.

609
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: I'm so stressed, I'm like sweating.

610
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: I Also, I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this.

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00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll take maybe controversial. We need Big. I miss Big,

612
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: but you were never team Big, were you.

613
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Carrie and Big are the one true pair,

614
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: like just thank you. They are thank you Carrie, aiden didn't.

615
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: They have amazing chemistry, but just like long term, they

616
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: don't make sense carrying the Russian which I kind of

617
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 2: like the Russian until the kind of like Rodal Mike

618
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: Trash to bring Big back. In fun fact, so originally,

619
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: so I remember the Sex and City pop up, so

620
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: I got like a private tour for me and my

621
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Speaker 2: friend because of course I did. I love this, And

622
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: originally Burger was end game for Carrie. No post it man, yes,

623
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: and they realize they don't have the chemistry to sell

624
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: that to the audience. So that's how Big came back in,

625
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: but Big was not supposed to be in game, which

626
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: I always was like, huh oh, yeah, exactly.

627
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: Do you think Carrie is messy? This is, you know,

628
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: a conversation that's trending on TikTok here. I'm stressing you out.

629
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: I'm so so you know, I'm stressed out at the PM.

630
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm talking to camera because you're fantastic and a lot

631
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: of you out here are fucking cuckoo bananas. Do you

632
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: not understand story structure? Do you not understand the protagonist

633
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: does not ever have their shit together?

634
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: Thank you?

635
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: That's why they are the hero whose journey we are following.

636
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: Carrie is the main character, bitch.

637
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: She has to be messy.

638
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: She is selfish because she's the main character.

639
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm personally not here for the Carrie hate.

640
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: Carrie is my girl. I will ride for her till

641
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: the end, messy as she is. And I agree, it's

642
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: just basic story structure.

643
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: I'm like all these messy ass male characters, right, and

644
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: no one talks about.

645
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: She's on her hero's journey, y'all. Okay, but let me

646
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: present to you a theory that is quite controversial.

647
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: Oh god, what is it?

648
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: Okay. So SJP went on Christ Davis's podcast, I can't okay,

649
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: I can't go with your dramatic justice. I love it

650
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: so much. She's being so dramatic right now. So Sarah

651
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: Disca Parker went on Christ and Davis's podcast, Are Your Charlotte,

652
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: and she presented this theory in which all of the characters,

653
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: the plot, the story, everything about it is a figment

654
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: of Carrie's imagination because Carrie is, after all, the writer

655
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: of this column. And so she SJP seems to believe

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Speaker 1: that this theory would be real, that she just made

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Speaker 1: it all up.

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Speaker 2: Sarah, if you don't pull out your motherfucker android and

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Speaker 2: call Kim Petral because I'm not here for.

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Speaker 4: This theory, what are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: I agree, I know it's crazy. I started to spiral

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Speaker 1: when I was like, wait, none of this, none of

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Speaker 1: this is real, Like.

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Speaker 4: We're we're not doing that. It's all It's real.

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Speaker 1: It is real.

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Speaker 4: These characters are real.

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Speaker 1: It's real to us. Damn it, it's real. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you which character are you? I?

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Speaker 3: You know, what does my friend Wanti say? She says,

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Speaker 3: I am Carrie and that the older I get there's.

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Speaker 2: More Charlotte in there in terms of like the hopefulness,

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Speaker 2: especially about love.

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Speaker 3: She's like, you're very hopeful.

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Speaker 2: She's like, you're always like putting yourself out there dating wise,

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Speaker 2: and she was like that's so admirable because so many

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Speaker 2: people can't do it and you're just She's like, you

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Speaker 2: are so open hearted, and I was like, where is he?

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Speaker 3: So I think I was probably Carrie with Charlotte Rising.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Charlotte Rising, and then no Carrie Sun, Charlotte Moon,

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Speaker 2: Miranda Rising, because I can.

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Speaker 3: Be judgmental and it's fine. It's fine, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: We all we all mean that, Miranda friend. Okay. Lastly, okay,

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Speaker 1: you have this running conversation on social media called thought Nash.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, can you explain what thought Nash is? First?

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Speaker 2: So thought Nash started hashtag thought Nash because I was

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Speaker 2: doing this series on Instagram. I'm gonna start back up,

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Speaker 2: but I've been trying to get trying to get work, honey, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I gotta pay these bills. Let's call it Thurstay Thursday.

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Speaker 2: And I write these like I make these videos or

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Speaker 2: have someone else make the videos. And I write these

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Speaker 2: like sort of like just horny, filthy, sort of like

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Speaker 2: odes to like them and then the audience's thought nash

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Speaker 2: for a thought nation and they have been so fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna start them back up this summer for sure.

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Speaker 1: My question is where does Pedro Pascal fall on this list?

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's like he's like tops, He's tops, He's like

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Speaker 3: number one. He's so hot. I was into him, you

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Speaker 3: know before, are you like people were like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, don't jump that.

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Speaker 4: There's so many people who are jumping on the bandwagon.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love his arms out of can

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, bitch, I.

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Speaker 3: Was here three years before that shit before he went

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Speaker 3: to the gym.

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Speaker 1: Honey, I was there, you know what, Phoebe, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call false on that.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: I was here too. Okay, I'm not a bandwagon.

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Speaker 2: You're but some of y'all are out there like, oh

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Speaker 2: my god, can't wait to see material lists.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, did you see him in Game of Thrones?

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Speaker 3: Because that's when I was Did you when he had

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Speaker 3: no money? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Did you see him in Game of Thrones? And that

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Speaker 1: did you see his head get squashed in like a

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Speaker 1: watermelon on Game of Thrones?

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Speaker 3: That's how you know?

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Speaker 2: Have a problem because I was into him when he

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Speaker 2: was broke. That is, that's straight girl nonsense, all the potential.

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Speaker 1: Phoebe, thank you so much for coming on the bright Side.

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Speaker 3: That went by so fast.

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Speaker 1: Long yay.

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Speaker 2: But and just like that, just just so you guys know,

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Speaker 2: I'm watching till the end. I don't care how bad

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Speaker 2: it gets. On my deathbed, I'm gonna tell my husband

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Speaker 2: to shut the fuck up and queue up a rerun

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Speaker 2: of And just like that, that's.

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Speaker 1: I know they got us.

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Speaker 4: I'm in it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stop watching it either. No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: take these mics away from us. Phoebe Robinson is a comedian,

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Speaker 1: author and the founder of Tiny Reparations Books. The latest release, Marcia,

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Speaker 1: The Joy and Defiance of Marsha p Jnson by Tourmaline

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Speaker 1: is out. Now. That's it for this week. Join the

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Speaker 1: conversation with us on social media at Hello Sunshine on

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Speaker 1: ig and feel free to hit me up at Simone Boyce.

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Speaker 1: Listen and follow The bright Side on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, and as always,

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Speaker 1: keep looking on the bright side, y'all. The Brightside is

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Speaker 1: a production of Hello Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts and is

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Speaker 1: executive produced by Reese Witherspoon and me Simone Boyce. Production

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Speaker 1: is by ACAST Creative Studios. Our producers are Taylor Williamson,

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Speaker 1: Adrian Bain, and Darby Masters. Our production assistant is Joya Putnoy.

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Speaker 1: Acast executive producers are Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder. Maureen

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Speaker 1: Polo and Reese Witherspoon are the executive producers for Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 1: Ali Perry and Christina Everett are the executive producers for

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Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts. Tim Palazola is our showrunner. Our theme song

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