1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Without a doubt. I would have been caught without a doubt. 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: There's no question about it. Because the more you do it, 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: the more money you make, the more stupid decisions you make. 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: But you don't see that when you're in that frame 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: of mind. I wasn't thinking straight enough at the time. 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: If I look back on it now, I guess I 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: could question it. And it has been something that I've thought. 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: About from iHeartRadio and doghouse pictures. This is shock incarceration. 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 3: I'm Jeff Keating. 10 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: Mark and Liz divorced about a year before he began 11 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: the shock incarceration program at the Lakeview Correctional Facility. He 12 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: needed money to repay debts that were in his name, 13 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: more money than his job was bringing in. 14 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: I just looked at it as Okay, I have a 15 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: clean slate. I can somewhat start my life all over. 16 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: I think the ultimate money thought process was could I 17 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: somehow figure out how much is still owed on these 18 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: loans and what can we do to pay it off? 19 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 4: My goal? 20 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: Hey, if I get to twenty thousand, let's put it 21 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: towards the loan. Yeah, that was kind of what I 22 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: was thinking of. I mean, there was a lot of 23 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: different thought processes going behind it. But at the end 24 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: of the day, the goal was to pay these fucking 25 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: loans off and clear my name. And that's when I 26 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: got into doing some bad things. I worked six thirty 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: in the morning till six thirty at night. I'd get 28 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: home from work, and as a single guy, you want 29 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: to get out, you want to meet women. You never 30 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. The bar legends, actually it 31 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: was the Naughty Monkey. At that point was walking distance 32 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: to my condo, so I didn't even drive. 33 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: Mark needed friends people around him for support through these 34 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 2: tough times. 35 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 5: Rob kinniebo is a friend that Mark met when he 36 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 5: was living in Harriman. 37 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: I believe Rob has been unbelievable to me as a friend. 38 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 4: The first time I met Mark Lombardo, he got my 39 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 4: girlfriend's phone number and he was hitting on her at 40 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 4: a pub and my girlfriend at the time was a 41 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 4: little toasty. At two o'clock in the morning, we're driving 42 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 4: out of there, I'm straight she's passed out and the 43 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 4: phone starts ringing, so I thought, maybe it's one of 44 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 4: her kids, or I should pick up the phone. 45 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 6: I pick it up. 46 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: I said, Hello, it's smart Lombardo and I said, you know, man, 47 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 4: we just met you, like. 48 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 6: A couple hours ago. What the fuck? He goes, Oh, 49 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 50 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 4: And we hung up and we went back the next 51 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 4: week and he was there and apologized. Then we had 52 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 4: a beer together when we hit it off, and he's 53 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 4: very likable. We started having a fun relationship. I had 54 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 4: a big house two dizebos, a tiki bar pool, and 55 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 4: we started having parties there and they'd be all niners 56 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 4: and we call them the Lombaughtle four hundred, and you'd 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 4: seem at a different establishment. He'd be dancing with three 58 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 4: girls at the time making out with him, and I 59 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 4: always questioned him about he's sleep with you in less 60 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: than three hours. 61 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 6: So Mark is a fun dude. 62 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 2: Mark also made new friends when playing pool with a 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: group of locals at the Naughty Monkey. 64 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 1: We had this game that we made up we called 65 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: a three ball. You would put three balls on one 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: side of the pool table and you know, your cue 67 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: ball on the other, and you had three shots to 68 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: get them all in. And of course there's gambling on 69 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: it and people bet. Obviously you'd want to get one 70 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: in on the break, if not two, and you would 71 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: want to do it in the least amount of shots. 72 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: So let's say there is fifteen people playing. The first 73 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: person goes, they get into three therein next person goes, 74 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: they don't do it in three there. So now let's 75 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: say there's six people left that did it in three shots. 76 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: Those six people would go again, and then you would 77 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: double up the ante again, so now they're Pot's building. 78 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. 79 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 4: It was fun and friendly, and we were doing that 80 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 4: weekly and that's how I built up a report would have. 81 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: But Mark's partying began to escalate, and that led to 82 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: other drugs. 83 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: I was never a heavy beer drinker. The IPA's, none 84 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: of that stuff. Bud lighting, Jeger were my choices. Four 85 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: or five, maybe six shots that I had access to 86 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: cocaine at the local bar that I hung out at, 87 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: people were always there doing it. From the beginning of using, 88 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: I was dabbling. I was buying a fifty dollars bag, 89 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: which essentially is a gram, and that would last me 90 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: a day or two. You know, I wasn't getting too 91 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: crazy with it. 92 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 4: As he dabbled in it, he'd sell to his friends 93 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 4: and then his friends would just share it right then 94 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 4: and there so he wasn't bulking up the whole cost. 95 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: I was just having a little bit of a taste 96 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: to be socially involved with the rest of the people 97 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 1: that were doing it, and I really enjoyed having that high. 98 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: I certainly upped mi ani, if you will. I wanted 99 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: to find out what it was about, who's the right 100 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: person to get it? From what's good what's bad? There 101 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: was different people that had it, and that's when I 102 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: really started using to get the night started. I would 103 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: call or text a couple of my buddies and say, Hey, 104 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: you guys want to do a few appetizers. Fred just 105 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: stopped over. Why don't you come over. We'll do an 106 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: appetizer two before we go to the bar. They would 107 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: come over. We would do two or three lines each, 108 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: have a couple of beers, maybe a shot of jack, 109 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: and then walk down to the bar. That was essentially 110 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: the pregame routine for a couple of months. I was 111 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: doing it, really liking it, as I think anybody would 112 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: in that scene. And then I basically said, well. 113 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, at that point, I think he was a little 114 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 4: bit out of control, you know, with everything that was 115 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: going on with his life, and I don't think anything 116 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 4: I said. 117 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 6: There was really no getting to him at that point. 118 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Will you do it? The 119 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 6: more you're not listening to nobody. 120 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: I was using a little bit more than I should have, 121 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: and when it came to every week having to buy it, 122 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: having to buy it, having to buy it. When we 123 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: were playing the three ball game down there, we always 124 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: referred to it as Fred. Has anybody seen Fred? Anybody 125 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: talked to Fred lately? 126 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 7: Hey? 127 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: Where's Fred? 128 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: So? 129 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: Fred was a name? Yao was a name I think 130 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: everybody kind of used. Peruvian night train blow. You know, 131 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: everybody had a couple different names for. 132 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 4: You're having fun and having a good time, and he's 133 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 4: fucking funny, He's hilarious, he's very wetty. He's a smart, 134 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 4: brilliant guy. 135 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: Everyone who knew Mark agreed he was intelligent. But it's 136 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: difficult to make smart decisions when you take partying to 137 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: the level Mark did, And once he got going, he 138 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: was out of control. 139 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: Friday Saturday night for me, a hard night at party, 140 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: and I would do fifteen to twenty beers easily, and 141 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: probably two grams of coke. You got to throw in 142 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: four or five, maybe six shots of that well, and 143 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: you know what, my six thirty to six thirty pm 144 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: turned into six thirty am to two am, five days 145 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: a week, very little sleep. But you're going down having 146 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: a few beers, walking home with a girl. Hey, you 147 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: want to come back to my place, We'll party up 148 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. I have a couple of drinks and 149 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: just hang out. It was a no brainer, and there 150 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: was multiple to choose from. Maybe I was a little 151 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: bit blind to it because you think you're the almighty 152 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: when you're doing that. So I personally don't think that 153 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: there was a true attitude change. I still did every 154 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: day what I needed to do. I got up, I 155 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: did my work. I still communicated with my family. I 156 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: still saw them on the weekends from time to time, 157 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: birthday parties, holidays, whatever the case may be. So they 158 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: weren't in front of me on a daily basis to 159 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: see a possible change. But nobody confronted me. Nobody ever said, 160 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: hey you okay, you don't look good, or are you 161 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: all right? What's wrong with your nose? I mean, you're 162 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: going and I know because i'd leave parties. You're sniffing, 163 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: you're going to the bathroom, you're blowing your fucking nose. 164 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, are they picking up on it? These are 165 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: things I've said to myself. Did they I don't know 166 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: if they did. They never questioned it. 167 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: Here's Mark's older brother Don. 168 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 1: I was doing my thing. 169 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 5: I could have been a lot closer to Mark because 170 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 5: there were times I didn't see him for like a month, 171 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 5: you know, like whether it be actually having that breakfast 172 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 5: where we would catch up on a bunch of things. 173 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 5: Mark would never have gotten into a problem that he 174 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 5: was having or anything like that. I wish I knew 175 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 5: what was happening. I would have been. 176 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: There most nights of the week. Mark was partying at 177 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: the Naughty Monkey, where he made some new connections. 178 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: So Aimon was the guy that hung out at the bar. 179 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: His parents actually owned a bar over in Central Valley, 180 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: New York, Irish place. But he was a little bit 181 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: of a partier and everybody knew that. Everybody. If he 182 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: walked in, it was either to buy or he was 183 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: selling something. I was buying these little fifty dollars bags, 184 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: one hundred dollar bags from. Where can I get some 185 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: of this from? I want to buy in larger quantities. 186 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: I just wanted larger quantities that high I really enjoyed 187 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: having that high. I certainly continued to do bigger lines, 188 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: and so from one bag to two bags a weekend, 189 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: to an eight ball a night, you know, and sometimes 190 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: an eight ball you know, back to back nights on 191 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: a Friday and Saturday. And that would just keep you 192 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: up for forty eight hours. I mean you would literally 193 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: bang them out left and right, and that's no way 194 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: to live. You just you feel miserable, and you're quite honestly, 195 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: you're useless. You're useless, you can't do anything. My week 196 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: of working party was a long week because there was 197 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: virtually no sleep. I still went to work. I didn't 198 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: miss a day work. I'd say to myself, what are 199 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: you doing? If my mother saw me right now, my 200 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: father saw me, he get the shit out of me. 201 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: Know the negative vibes that you put inside yourself, and 202 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: then how do you correct it? Go get a bag 203 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: of coke. It's a vicious cycle. 204 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: Mark began to spiral out of control. His habit grew 205 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: to a couple of eight balls a weekend. 206 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to get greedy. I wanted to try to 207 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: hit a home run. That's where my brain got going. 208 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: There was pretty much. 209 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 8: One idea and one idea only, and it was to 210 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 8: try to to move cocaine. I knew a lot of 211 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 8: people that were into it. I knew a lot of 212 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 8: people that were making money on it. I was able 213 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 8: to get involved and try to, you know, become the 214 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 8: next quick pit, so to speak. 215 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: And I thought, maybe let's give it a shot. Let's 216 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: see if this would work. I think everybody sees it, 217 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: you read about it, you see it on TV. It's quick, 218 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: easy money. And Todd he's a local guy. He was 219 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: the guy playing three ball, you know. He was a 220 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: local guy that everybody knew. 221 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: Todd, like a men, was one of the guys who 222 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: made regular appearances at the Naughty Monkey, delivering the goods. 223 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: Mark was looking to Moods, so he gets a big 224 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: score set up through Todd, thinking he'd be able to 225 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: pay off his debts. 226 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: Because if you do it right and you chop it 227 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: up and you cut it a little bit here, then 228 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: you can still make a little bit more money and 229 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: then you can have some for yourself. So then I 230 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: could essentially sell it, make money, and I would have 231 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: my own to play around with. It was very nerve 232 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: wrecking the first time I went and picked up cocaine. 233 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: I thought, in my head, holy shit, what are you doing. 234 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: We weren't driving around the corner. We were driving on 235 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: major highways, and it was something I don't know if 236 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: I can actually describe. It was that gut feeling you had. 237 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: You were constantly looking at rear mirrors. Now, the person 238 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: I was with, he does it a lot, Todd. Todd 239 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: was the gentleman that was driving. He was doing it 240 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: a lot. He was used to it. I didn't want 241 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: to get used to it, but I wanted to sell it. 242 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: I didn't want to drive and have that shit in 243 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: my car. I mean I was very, very nervous looking 244 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: in mirrors and every intersection that you got off, you know, oh, 245 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: there's a couple with it. It's I think it's a 246 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: natural feeling or vibe that goes through your body. But 247 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: nerve wrecking to say list. But I never looked at 248 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: myself as Mark the dealer was more of Mark the 249 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: guy that can sell you a little bit of cocaine. 250 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: To feed his habit. Mark needed to find a bigger 251 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: supplier for that. He went on his first big score. 252 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: He and Todd drove to meet the guy named Flacco. 253 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: This is the first time for me. This guy's been 254 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: doing it a bunch of times. Essentially, he was bringing 255 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: me there to introduce me a flaka. We got there 256 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: and we got out and we hearked right next to him. 257 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: We were in a pickup truck. He was in this 258 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, all little beat up on the civic 259 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: or whatever four doors a d in. It was in 260 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: a Grand Union parking lot, and obviously he knew the guy. 261 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: He had asked us to get in the car. He 262 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: does that specifically, he wants to make sure nobody's following 263 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: you and nobody's watching in the parking lot. So we 264 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: got in his car and we just drove. He was 265 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: your typical young, skinny drug dealing guy. I mean, I 266 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: don't if you want to put a stereotype on somebody, 267 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: he had it. He absolutely had it. He was a 268 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: little creepy looking. 269 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: After a couple of lefts and rights on back roads. 270 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: Flacco was making sure nobody was following them. 271 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: When we were driving around. It was minimal conversation. I 272 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: personally didn't say anything. I was sitting in the back. 273 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: Todd's evidently known this guy for a while. Those basic questions, 274 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: how you been what's new type kind of thing. Flaco 275 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: was focused on what he needed to be focused on. 276 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: He didn't need any distres so it was like quick, 277 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: one word answers. He was looking around and driving, making 278 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: his turns, very very minimal conversation. Music playing in the car, 279 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: not too loud, and I'm just sitting in the back 280 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: and was I nervous? Hell, yeah, I was nervous. I 281 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: was second guessing myself, you know, is this really what 282 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: the fuck I want to be doing? Like where are you? 283 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: What are you doing? 284 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: You know? 285 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we knew what 286 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: we were on a mission for and we did it. 287 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: But it was like the sweaty palms. 288 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 6: It was. 289 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: I think I was looking around more than anybody because 290 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: I also knew what the ramifications could be and certainly 291 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: didn't want it to tap in that day. 292 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 7: For sure. 293 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: One potential ramification could be a multi year sentence in 294 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: a maximum security prison. 295 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: When Flaco felt comfortable, he just pulled over on the 296 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: side of the road kind of parallel parking where there 297 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: was some spots, and we exchanged here and there money drugs. 298 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: He handed it over to Todd, gave him the money, 299 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: drove us back to Grand Union, got in the car 300 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: and we headed back. We were in TODs truck and 301 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: he put it in a center console so it was 302 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: not on either one of our pockets. He had this 303 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: little like I guess, not a hidden compartment. I mean, 304 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: clearly it could have been found, but I guess that 305 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: was his safe spot. So it wasn't physically on me. 306 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: And I smoked cigarettes too, so it was like chain smoke. 307 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 5: You know. 308 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: I was nervous, so it was like one after another, 309 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: just smoking. He was a smoker too, So we drove 310 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: an hour and fifteen minutes back to my apartment. The 311 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: ride was it was doing the speed limit, it was 312 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: doing everything right. It was stopping at stop sides. It 313 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: was putting your blinker on everything you possibly could try 314 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: to prevent we did. This was light a day. It 315 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: wasn't midnight, It wasn't two o'clock in the morning. This 316 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: was four or five o'clock in the afternoon. Typical rush hover. 317 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: You're blending with anybody. If you're doing the right thing, 318 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna fuck and pull you over. 319 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: How many other drivers were toting an ounce of cocaine 320 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: while stuck in rush hour traffic? 321 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: It was a huge relief when you get back to 322 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: the condough and yes, you absolutely do a lot, and 323 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: you do multiple that's exactly what you do. You do 324 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: and you get amped up. Obviously we knew we would 325 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: turn it and sell it, so yeah, it was a 326 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: huge relief. Are your cheers in your buddy with the 327 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: beer across the table? All right, you take this way 328 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: it out. I'll do these and you get into the 329 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: swing of things. So I would take a couple of 330 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: grams to the side. That would be mine. It was decent, 331 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: it was good stuff. By the way, this was already cut, 332 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: all right, it's just the way it is. You're not 333 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: going to get pure coke. It's just not happening. I 334 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: would take the ounce and I would sit at my 335 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: kitchen table, and I did have a scale over here, 336 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: and you know the little tiny ziplock bags, little tiny ones, 337 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: you buy them at anywhere. So I would take it 338 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: and basically you sell a gram at one point zero, right, 339 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: but we would do like point eight. It was always 340 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: a little less. It was always a little less. And 341 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: then I would take B twelve and chop that up 342 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: and just mix it up with a card or razor 343 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: blade and make it all fine and nice and dandy 344 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: beat twelve, which is like a speed type kind of thing. 345 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: You're just chopping up. You mix it in there and 346 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: you can still sell it and nobody knows the difference. 347 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: And then scoop it up into a little bag and 348 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: weigh it point seven maybe point eight, depending just how 349 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: it looked. Sometimes when you chop it up it's really fine. 350 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: You want to maybe leave a couple of little chunks 351 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: in there, so to speak, essentially, you would double it. 352 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: You're already thinking, hey, let me make some money. You 353 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: want to get rid of it as quickly as possible, right, 354 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: make some quick phone calls, text message, Hey, just want 355 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: to let you know back in town, anybody want to 356 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: meet up in the next hour or so. Go down 357 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: to the pool hale and come back with zero bags 358 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: in my pocket. 359 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 2: And just like that, Mark's dealing cocaine and those default 360 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: loans from his twin brother. 361 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: There's still in my name. He would tell me Mark, 362 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: things are tough right now. I know you may get 363 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: a letter, but just no, I'm gonna keep the payments going. 364 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: And I'd literally let everything go. I didn't let it 365 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: phaze me. I was tunnel vision with my job. At 366 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: the time, I would worried about doing my job and 367 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: moving cocaine, so I really didn't care to know where 368 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: I was financially. Just about everything I had I pay cash. 369 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: The credit cards have been turned over to collection agencies. 370 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: They called me and I told them to go fuck themselves. 371 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: I said that loan's not for me. I said, my 372 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: twin brother's name, you can fucking call him. I don't 373 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: even give them opportunities anything. I don't care who you are. 374 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm not paying your fucking loan and I hang up. 375 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: My credit was shit. My credit was in the four hundreds. 376 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: I mean it was nothing, and I was like, am 377 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: I going to get there? I don't know, but let's 378 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: keep doing it. Then I got more people buying from 379 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: me and more people buying from me, and was I 380 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: making a million dollars now? But I was making money, 381 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, the more you do it, 382 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: the greedier you get, and the more people I could 383 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: bring on and maybe this will be my solution. Oh yeah, 384 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make fifty thousand dollars next month and I'll 385 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: just pay off that loan. Okay, cool that we're onto 386 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: something here. So I didn't necessarily worry about him taking 387 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: care of it. Ultimately, I had to try to do 388 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: it in my own hands and do what I could 389 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: to get myself out of a hole. And part of 390 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: the market was those people were getting it from who 391 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: knows who. And I said, listen, let's make it easier. 392 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: Everybody get it from me. What are you going to 393 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: call all these different people for. I'll get it. I'll 394 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: take care of it. We'll get it and just get 395 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: it from me. And it was simple. They just knew that, hey, 396 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: Mark would be down here and we're going to just 397 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: get it from him, and and they could rely on me. 398 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: We would get it every week. 399 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: By this point, market built trust, with Flacco now able 400 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: to get fronted and ounce at a time. 401 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: It was kind of what they call it on the 402 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: arm right. So they give it to you, and you know, 403 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: we'll see you next week for the next shipment. And 404 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: then when I would get the next one next week, 405 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: I would give them the money for the previous week. 406 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 7: I was, by no means a king fin the furthest 407 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 7: thing from it. This was simply, let's a thousand dollars 408 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 7: worth and turn it into two. 409 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: So you basically doubled it, and the way I looked 410 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: at it and said, hey, you know, if I. 411 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 7: Could do this on a weekly basis, I'll get some 412 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 7: cash blug. 413 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: On, you know, and then who knows, maybe down the 414 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: road he again, larger amounts, do you get more people involved? 415 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 7: Obviously that can be a little bit more dangerous. 416 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: Shit, I don't have kids, I don't have a wife. 417 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: I just have myself and going out and having fun. 418 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: So having the ability to walk into a room and 419 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: sell coke, it went to my head and there was 420 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: empowerment there. It was nice that people they didn't necessarily 421 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: maybe like you, but they knew they wanted to be 422 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: friends with you because you had what they wanted. And 423 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: that became like an instant gratification. Right, Oh, Mark's here, cool, 424 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: let me go say hello, let me go buy him 425 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: a drink. And a lot of people bought me drinks 426 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: because they think I'd give him maybe a bump or 427 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: two on the house. And then hey, I never gave 428 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: anything for free. Okay, as far as selling bags or 429 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: discount that doesn't work in this world. Right, you pay 430 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: for what you want. 431 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: His friend Rob shared a different perspective on Mark's lifestyle. 432 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 4: I never really had him in my mind as a dealer. 433 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 4: A drug dealer would make money. He probably lost more 434 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 4: money than he ever made because he was addicted to 435 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 4: it that point. He was far into it. 436 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 3: Ah. 437 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: Man, it even hurts to hear Mark the dealer because 438 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: I never looked at myself that way. But I was 439 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: dealing drugs, so technically, yeah, you're a dealer. That's what 440 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: I was doing. I guess I wanted to be looked 441 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: at Mark the friend that had some extracurricular activities. I mean, 442 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: let's face it, that was kind of the way I wanted. 443 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: And these were some of my friends and just acquaintances 444 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: that I saw on a regular basis that I wanted 445 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: them to maybe look at me. 446 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 6: I didn't. 447 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: I never wanted anybody to be like, oh, Mark's a 448 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: drug dealer. Who wants to be known as a fucking 449 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: drug dealer. Nobody, nobody. Maybe some people do, maybe they 450 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: want to be the next kingpin. That's not me. It 451 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: was never my intention. 452 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: He might not have been a cocaine kingpin, but Mark 453 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 2: was certainly using heavily. By any measure. 454 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: It was ultimately affecting everything, and I knew it and 455 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: I saw it. 456 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 7: But I continued. 457 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: Normally, when you go to bed at ten o'clock on 458 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: Tuesday night because you have to be at work at 459 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: six thirty seven o'clock on Wednesday morning, I'm up till 460 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: two three o'clock in the morning doing it, or hanging 461 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: out and meeting other people and driving down the road 462 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: just to go meet somebody because that's the only client 463 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: they can come. And it threw off your schedule, It 464 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: threw off your routine, It threw off your way of life. 465 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: I would go to one bar on a night and 466 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: basically make my week. Everybody knew to go there, everybody 467 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: knew to see me. You got degenerates who run out 468 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: of it in a couple of days, and then the 469 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: calling you on a Sunday night or a Monday or 470 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: a Tuesday. 471 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 2: Rob might have known a little about Mark's party life, 472 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 2: but his family was completely oblivious. 473 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: Nobody in my family knows to the extent of the 474 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: drugs I was doing. I was doing a lot of cocaine. 475 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: The binging in the dark side was not something you 476 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: want to play around with. It was the worst part 477 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: of it, the worst part of it coming down. I 478 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: hated I absolutely hit it, and everybody that does drugs, 479 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: or it gets blackout drunk. When you sober up and 480 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: you come down, it's a worst feeling in the world, 481 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: it really is. How do you want to feel that way? 482 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: Nobody does, But yet you do it again. You do 483 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: it again because your friends are eggagnon. Or it's a 484 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: holiday weekend. Yoh, we gotta go, we gotta go. Let's 485 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: let's get going, you know, or it's a birthday. There 486 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: was always an excuse, there was always a reason to 487 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: start a binge. Always, Yeah, when I came home, it 488 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: was because there was nothing left. 489 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: That's because either I did it or I sold it 490 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: with that much cocaine. Mark became the man at the 491 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 2: Naughty Monkey. 492 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: As more people know about a Friday and Saturday night 493 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: turns into a Tuesday Wednesday because they don't give a 494 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: shit because they don't have a job, because they want 495 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: to go out and get banged up, and yeah, come 496 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: out over. I got one for you, and come over 497 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: and you do one with them or two, and then you. 498 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 6: Get the edge. 499 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, maybe I'll go out. I'll go 500 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: out with you where you're going. You're going down to 501 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 1: the bar, no problem, I'll go out for a little bit. 502 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: A little bit turns into four or five six hours 503 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: easy if you're partying. I was buying Announced at a time. 504 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: I started off with Announce, which would cost me about 505 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: back then, it was probably about about nine hundred bucks, 506 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: maybe a thousand bucks on it, got rid of it, 507 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: went and got another one, brought it back, got rid 508 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: of it. I think the most I went through was 509 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: probably three ounces in a week. You get greedy when 510 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: you see money. The total cash that I remember having 511 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: in my room was about fifteen thousand. 512 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 5: Cool. 513 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: I'm up to fifteen thousand, all one hundreds. It kind 514 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: of looks cool, right? Can I get it up there? 515 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: Can I continue this? Because that dream of a suitcase 516 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: full of cash and I'm going to be able to 517 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: pay off these loans, and hey, you know what, maybe 518 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: even have some extra money to help my brother this 519 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: and that. I mean, that's the big grand scheme type 520 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: time of thing you think about when you go buy 521 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: a lottery ticket. Right, Oh my god, could you imagine 522 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: you know what? And you got a better chance to 523 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: get instruck by lightning, you know, but you keep doing 524 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: it right. 525 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 2: The parties went on night after night while the loans 526 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: were still there. Accruing interest. 527 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: I didn't put it towards any of the debt. 528 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 7: I was still making a decent living. 529 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: I was still there working, but my wheels had spinning 530 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: and saying, well, how the hell am I going to 531 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: get myself out of his debt? 532 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 7: I called him up and said, listen, what the hell's 533 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 7: going on? 534 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 6: It's just fucking bullshit. You know it? 535 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 7: You know it was all you know, a lie. 536 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: It was all eyes. 537 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 7: It was all eyes. 538 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: Mark confronted his brother several times, but never took legal action, 539 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: just hoping he would step up A glaring mistake in 540 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 2: a string of poor decisions and miscalculations on Mars parts 541 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 2: and his coke buys. Continued weekly with Flacco In the 542 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: parking lot of an A and P. 543 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: Todd and I were driving to Amp to meet Flacco again, 544 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: routine pickup. We were going to go in and meet 545 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: him and do our thing and get on out of there. 546 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: And it had been a few times, so we obviously 547 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: built the rapport with him. I don't think that there 548 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: was any uncertainty on his part, as we were bad guys, 549 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: you know. So it was a quick, hopefully in and 550 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: out thing, and we pulled in the amp. As we did, 551 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: we saw a cop car in the lot, which right away, okay, 552 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: we're not going over by his car, and we parked 553 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: and we sat there for a couple minutes. And I'm 554 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: not sure if Todd called him or text him and 555 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: said we're here, but there's a cop over there, you know, 556 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: And so we just sat we were not going anywhere 557 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: near him, and before you know what, another cop car 558 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: pulled in. Another cop car pulled in. I think there 559 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: was five cop cars that pulled in, and they made 560 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: their way over to his car, and they ripped him 561 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: out of that car and gave him the business and 562 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: took him away. Todd and I sat there. We looked 563 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: at each other. Todd was sweating. I remember seeing sweat 564 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: come down his head and I said, holy fuck, Holy 565 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: fucking shit, what just happened? What just happened. We sat 566 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: there and complete this belief. Like five minutes later, we 567 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: were going down. Why the fuck? Why didn't they wait 568 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: for somebody to come to the car. They didn't arrest 569 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: anybody else. There wasn't another deal going down. It was 570 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: just him. Whether they had surveillance in the parking lot 571 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: or somebody tipped off the cops Hey, this guy in 572 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: this car, it's back. I don't know, but we were 573 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: five to ten minutes away from being in handcuffs in 574 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: Yonker's police department. 575 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 2: Those ramifications that haunted Mark on his first big score 576 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: with Flacco just went down right in front of them, 577 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 2: and he was shook. 578 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: There's a pizza place in the strip mall too. It 579 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: was a couple of different stores amp there was a florist. 580 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: Said let's go get a slice pizza. We grabbed a 581 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: slice of pizza. We sat in the car, we had 582 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: the pizza, and again we just kept saying, holy fuck, 583 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: holy shit. And then we were worried about are they 584 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: going to look at his phone? Because Todd had called 585 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: and you know, hey, we're on we'll see it in 586 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: an hour. These were things we were asking ourselves, these questions. 587 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: I said, all right, we're done. You know that went 588 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: through my head. What the fuck are we thinking? 589 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 4: You know? 590 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: Here here's that thought again? 591 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 6: Right? 592 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: My parents, My god, what would they have thought? Mark 593 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: got arrested in Yonkers cocaine. Now, my phone wasn't involved. 594 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: I personally never had a direct phone call or text 595 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: message or anything. 596 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 6: We flock. 597 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: It all went through Todd, which made me a little 598 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: bit relieved. But at the end of the day, we 599 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: clearly could have been the guy's busted that afternoon, and 600 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: we just drove home in disbelief. I mean, shaking our heads, wondering, 601 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, is he going to get a call? 602 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: Is Todd going to get a call? You know, is 603 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: somebody going to be looking for him? 604 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: With sweaty palms and thumping hearts, Mark and Todd stared 605 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: at the phone like a scene from a movie, waiting 606 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 2: for it to ring. But it never rang, And so 607 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: they did what they always did party. 608 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: We drove home and and we went right to the bar. 609 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: It was almost more of a celebration. You know, Holy shit, 610 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: let's go have a beer. We got away, we got lucky, 611 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: Holy Christ. You know, let's cheers clink, you know. And 612 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: I remember not partying that night. Obviously we didn't have anything. 613 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: Now could I have gotten from somebody local if I 614 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: really wanted to? There was a part of me that 615 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: quite honestly did say to myself, you know now that 616 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: this isn't the right thing. Look what happened to that 617 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: fucking guy. That's gonna happen to me. That's gonna happen 618 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: to you. You know, and I don't think I parted 619 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: that whole weekend, quite honestly, I didn't. But next weekend 620 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, next weekend I did. I really enjoyed 621 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: that high. It's the lifestyle. It's that lifestyle that makes 622 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: you feel good. I have to tell you, I smoked 623 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: pot in my life. I've done hash. Cocaine, to me, 624 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: is the best drug. I never did any needle or 625 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: any acid or anything like that, but I think cocaine 626 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: is a fantastic drug. Still, remember the feeling of being 627 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: just so high and you think you can do anything, 628 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: and quite honestly, it's a good feeling. 629 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:07,479 Speaker 6: It is. 630 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: Coming down sucks, but being up there feels great. It's 631 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: a vicious cycle and that's no way to live. You 632 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: do coke for two, three four days, which I have, 633 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: and try coming down and waking up and snapping out 634 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: of it and getting back to normal. It's the worst 635 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: feeling in the world, and you say to yourself, what 636 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: the fuck do you put yourself through? Why are you 637 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: doing this? There's many nights that you have a few 638 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: too many, and you wake up tomorrow and you only 639 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: have a headache or you feel tired, not anywhere near 640 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: what I've felt. I mean, you don't want to move, 641 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: you don't want to move. I mean there's many in mornings, 642 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: you wake up, you go throw up, You're dry heaven, 643 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: You're crying so much because you're throwing up, your stomach 644 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: feels like shit, your diarrhea, you name it. I knew 645 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: there would be consequences. I knew I would get in trouble. 646 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: I knew I would have an issue with my family, 647 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: an issue with work. I knew it was going to 648 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: create chaos in my life. But you know that high 649 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 1: one won the battle. 650 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: A single guy with the hookup. The women lined up 651 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: for a taste of what he was offering. One of 652 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: them was Kathy. 653 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: Meaning Kathy was a special time in my life. I 654 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: was introduced to her by Todd. Actually, she had been 655 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: coming around because she knew Todd partied as well. It 656 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: was a matter of days, two or three days before 657 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: we started hooking up, pulling around, and then we just 658 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: exchanged numbers and her and I hung out all the time. 659 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: She was a knockout, fake breasts, cute little blondes, five 660 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: foot three, great ass. I mean, she was perfect. She 661 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: was absolutely perfect. Single mom, two kids, She had a 662 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: very engaged ex husband. Of the kids would rotate one 663 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: week with her, one week with him. There was a 664 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: couple of times her son, her one son, played soccer. 665 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: I liked the game, so I'd go and watch a 666 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: game on a weekend she had her kids. She would 667 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: say to me, Hey, I have the kids this week. 668 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: I'll give you a call next weekend. Okay, see you 669 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: next weekend. And that week that they weren't with her, 670 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: she was loose cannon. She was out and about. She'd 671 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: spend two three days at my house. Hey, do you 672 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: mind if I spend three nights the next three nights 673 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm kidless. Okay, great, pack a bag, come on over. 674 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: You know you can meet and cheeseboard, a couple bottles 675 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: of wine and an april and we have a fucking blast. 676 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: Whether it was just her and I there or we 677 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: started there and then went out, Kathy and I built 678 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: a good relationship. We were never truly dating, but we 679 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: were known. You know, if we were hanging out so 680 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: much that if I went to a bar, people say, 681 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: where's Kathy, you know, and vice versa, Hey where's Mark tonight? 682 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: I think I'd loved being with her. She was a 683 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: really close companion of mine and somebody I considered a 684 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: really dear friend. When I was with Kathy, there was 685 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: no need to fool around with anybody else. It was 686 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: the Triple Crown, it was booze, it was drugs, and 687 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: it was a sexy woman. 688 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: Since Flacco was busted, Mark he did a new supplier. 689 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 2: Being a young man from New Jersey. He turned to 690 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 2: a friend who knew some people, who knew some people. 691 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: My connection after Flacco got bussed was an old friend, 692 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: a friend that I'm going to refrain from using his 693 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: name because I am still friends with him today. The 694 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: first time I met him was about eighteen nineteen years old, 695 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: and we had worked at the same place and never 696 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: knew him before. That just started a relationship when we 697 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: were working together. And after about a year and a 698 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: half two years of working there, he went his way. 699 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: His family had some other businesses, and let's face it, 700 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: we were getting older, so it was a stepping stone 701 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: job for me, you know. And then I got another 702 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: job and moved on, but we always stayed in touch 703 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: via phone. Then when social media came out, because this 704 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: was before Facebook and Instagram and all that, which made 705 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: it easier to get in touch with him. You know, 706 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: he wasn't afraid to talk about it, quite honestly, which 707 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: made me a little leery because normally that's not something 708 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: you do. But one thing led to another, and he 709 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: was talking about this person and that person. He's a 710 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: guy that's got some connections. Okay, he's got some mob ties. 711 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: And then we went to a couple places and it 712 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: was clearly obvious that there was connections. There was ties 713 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: there some of the businesses that are notorious for being 714 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: in that industry, as family was in. So it was 715 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: definitely obvious, to say the least. I did run the 716 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: scenario through my head, and I realized that those are 717 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: the people you don't want to get involved with anything 718 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: because if it ever goes sour, there's the potential of 719 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: not only getting arrested or anything like that, but of 720 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: course maybe some type of retaliation, which ultimately could happen. 721 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 6: With this. 722 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: I knew there was a bigger picture from the other 723 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: guy that I wanted to stay away from, but you know, 724 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: you get desperate. It was a quick, easyphone call. It 725 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: was a one quick question, Hey, do you have any 726 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 1: access to some blow? As a matter of fact, he 727 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: gave me announce on the arm, and which means for free, 728 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: all right, you give me, So he was basically front 729 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: and for me, here you go, here's an ounce. I'll 730 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: see you next week. For the next one, he had 731 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: me locked in, right, I had to see him again 732 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: and give him his money. If you're given something on 733 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: the arm, obviously you want to make sure that you're 734 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: gonna pay that. So on the first one that I 735 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: got from him, my thought process was, let me get 736 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: my money back first, I'll know I have it. I'll 737 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: put it aside. If there's anything left, maybe I'll have 738 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: some fun. But don't fuck up, don't be short. I mean, listen, 739 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: it's a thousand dollars, which isn't a lot of money 740 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,919 Speaker 1: in the drug world. It's not. I mean, it's it's 741 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: like it's nothing. But if you start off with somebody 742 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: and you want to continue to do the right thing, 743 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: and you want to have some credibility and some trust 744 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: with these people, you have to do what's right and 745 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: pay pay up when it's due, not on your terms. 746 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: So it was one hundred percent important for me just 747 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: to get that quick brand, get it to him, and 748 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: then anything else I had in my pocket was mine. 749 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: Mark's habit clouded his judgment and dulled his instincts. 750 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: And then you know, ultimately it was just one after 751 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: another after another after another type thing. I saw some 752 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: quick cash coming in. I was able to put a 753 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: little bit here, a little bit there, a little bit here. 754 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 7: And thought it was kind of a cool thing. 755 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: You know. 756 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 7: Obviously there's people that'll make one hundred thousand, five hundred 757 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 7: thousand on one tran exactly. That wasn't me. 758 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 9: Shock Incarceration is a joint production from iHeartRadio and Doghouse Pictures, 759 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 9: produced and hosted by Jeff Keating. Executive producers are Mark Lombardo, 760 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 9: Tommy James, Noel Brown, and Jeff Keaty. Written by Jim Roberts, 761 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 9: Tommy James, Chris Rigotzo and Jeff Keating. Story edited by 762 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 9: Jim Roberts, edit mix and sound design by Lame Krafts 763 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 9: from Herd's Creek Productions. A music composed by Diamond Street Productions, 764 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 9: a company by Tyler Greenwell, Danny Wattanas, Sean Thompson and 765 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 9: Spencer garn Thanks to Trinity Investigative Group and Mark Lombardo's 766 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 9: family and friends who contributed to the podcast