Speaker 1: I am all in, want kiss you. I am all
Speaker 1: in with Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast. Let's
Speaker 1: get started. I have a lot to say. I bet
Speaker 1: you do. I got a lot to say this one. Oh,
Speaker 1: I have a new idea. Adea, you start first, but
Speaker 1: I have a new idea of something I want to
Speaker 1: do every episode. Now, all right, so you're gonna are
Speaker 1: you gonna a You're gonna talk about it? Talk first,
Speaker 1: You talk first, and then I'll tell you guys, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna spring it on you. Oh my god. Okay, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know this This episode was what can I say?
Speaker 1: How can I in caps? Like, just Daniel, you want
Speaker 1: to do the what do you do? The recap? Recap?
Speaker 1: And then we'll get it. We'll dive into it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Season three, episode fifteen, Face Off Air
Speaker 1: date February two thousand three. Grandma Gilmore Okaytrix is in
Speaker 1: town for a visit and it has Emily oh riled up.
Speaker 1: But then the tables have turned as Emily sees something
Speaker 1: she shouldn't have. Rory gets annoyed by Justice's reluctance to
Speaker 1: call and decides to go to Stars Hollow Hockey game
Speaker 1: with Lane and her fake boyfriend, but then ses Dean
Speaker 1: with somebody new and speaking of Lane, her and Dave
Speaker 1: have a whole new dating plan set in place. Directed
Speaker 1: by Kenny Ortega. Not typical Kenny Ortega. Yeah, there's no
Speaker 1: dancing or singing in this episode. Wait, I can't get
Speaker 1: a read of Scott loved it or hated it? Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that that episode really hit
Speaker 1: my demo. Uh, I think it hits it. I think
Speaker 1: I think it hits a much younger demo obviously, because
Speaker 1: we spent so much time. Look, when you take the drummer,
Speaker 1: when you take the lead singer and the drummer away
Speaker 1: and separate them and they're in different bands and they're
Speaker 1: playing with different players, you know, you kind of lose
Speaker 1: the threat a little bit. I you know, it just
Speaker 1: proved to me how important the mother daughter relationship is.
Speaker 1: And when you separate these two this much in an
Speaker 1: episode and leave them with other players, um, you know,
Speaker 1: it's entertaining, but it's just it's just it kind of
Speaker 1: felt like it went off the spine of what Gilmore
Speaker 1: Girls is and it went into kid world and it
Speaker 1: really really delved in there because now we have Dean,
Speaker 1: the Dean situation, the jet situation. You know, it reflects
Speaker 1: what the mother has been going through, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the apple not falling too far from the
Speaker 1: tree with their choices and all those lessons learned and
Speaker 1: or are not learned yet. Uh uh. And then of
Speaker 1: course you introduced the most important character in the history
Speaker 1: of television and Trixie, and I just didn't get the
Speaker 1: satisfaction I was looking forward in that encounter, uh and
Speaker 1: that resolution, And I just thought, listen, do you want
Speaker 1: to go chronologically? Yeah, bitch for half an hour? No,
Speaker 1: I love. I love listening to you, bitch. It wasn't
Speaker 1: my favorite, but I liked it and I got some
Speaker 1: really good laugh Let me ask you us about about Trixie,
Speaker 1: because I think I have a theory, okay, because I
Speaker 1: love Mary and Roth. So she is sort is very unlikable,
Speaker 1: right and a little bit over the top, but I
Speaker 1: love what happens as a result of her her. So
Speaker 1: because of her, I love what was happening with lore
Speaker 1: Lye and Emily, and because of her we got that
Speaker 1: hysterical scene at the end with Richard and lore Lye.
Speaker 1: So is there any chance I just think that that
Speaker 1: whole thing started started to cut you off for me,
Speaker 1: that for me, that was built on a house of cards. Uh,
Speaker 1: and it just didn't hold up for me. I think
Speaker 1: the structure I knew, I knew what they were going
Speaker 1: for and trying to build, but it was such a
Speaker 1: weak foundation to begin with that it just didn't it
Speaker 1: just it just fell apart from me. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: didn't take the journey that they were trying to take
Speaker 1: us on. And I actually screamed out at Emily, like,
Speaker 1: you do not owe that, you know what an apology?
Speaker 1: Stop apologizing? Don't apologize? Interesting And I can debate that.
Speaker 1: I thought that there was a chance for some real hard,
Speaker 1: hard edged drama here, like even melodrama, which I was
Speaker 1: like dying for because I wasn't getting it from and
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted a high quality melodrama instead of
Speaker 1: what I considered to be low quality melodrama from the kids,
Speaker 1: And like can can can can can the adults in
Speaker 1: the room please just like let's go, okay, come on,
Speaker 1: hit the accelerator here and let Emily have her runway
Speaker 1: and let her just go off on that woman. Fair
Speaker 1: criticism because I see what you're saying, I liked it
Speaker 1: and I had some really good laughs. Daniel Tar, you
Speaker 1: gotta tell us what you think, because I see what
Speaker 1: you're saying. With Scott, you wanted real emotion where it
Speaker 1: was very campy. Yes, I see what you're saying, and
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be. I mean, listen, all of
Speaker 1: this stuff, the fake boyfriend, that that Mrs Kim, all
Speaker 1: that stuff. I mean, it's not it's it's really is
Speaker 1: straining credulity here, and that we're supposed to buy into
Speaker 1: this world, right, and that Lane is in this bizarre situation.
Speaker 1: Everybody's in this and like now we're tolerating Jess again,
Speaker 1: and then you know Taylor with the wacky hockey stuff
Speaker 1: and his brother. I just thought it was kind of
Speaker 1: clumsily too much of that, Whereas typically in an episode
Speaker 1: we get one or two of those things and then
Speaker 1: they're very funny. In this one, it was like, because
Speaker 1: you've got Taylor, you've got the fake boyfriend, you've got
Speaker 1: Tricks who is campy. You've got a little of Kirk
Speaker 1: being the like a sports announcer and doesn't know the sport.
Speaker 1: So it's almost I see what you're saying. To it's
Speaker 1: like too much. It was there was no it wasn't grounded.
Speaker 1: It was all comedy or attend to comedy, right, like,
Speaker 1: let's go for these. Hey, look we're again, We're in
Speaker 1: another wacky situation, ha ha ha. But I just didn't
Speaker 1: think the execution was there. I didn't think the right
Speaker 1: was there. I didn't think and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go along on the tricksy ride if Emily feels like
Speaker 1: she has to apologize. I thought people were out of character. Okay, fair, okay,
Speaker 1: So this okay, it's very exciting. It's very exciting. We've
Speaker 1: got so much to debate. So first, Danielle and Tara
Speaker 1: give us your overall impressions. Then I will drop the
Speaker 1: bomb of the new huh something that we're going to
Speaker 1: do every episode, so because I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be perfect for this episode. So first, y'all's overview, what
Speaker 1: did you think with a title like face Off? I
Speaker 1: was expecting some kind of fist throwing, you know, like
Speaker 1: some kind of actual fight. So I was a little
Speaker 1: let down from there. I was just waiting for the
Speaker 1: dan Jest scene where they're going to just like pummel
Speaker 1: each other. I'm just waiting for it didn't happen. It's okay,
Speaker 1: I'm over it. But outside of that, I did like
Speaker 1: that episode. I thought it was fun. I thought it
Speaker 1: was you and and interesting. But I do hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying, Scott, with every character being outside of themselves,
Speaker 1: You're so right, Like every single character was different than
Speaker 1: who they usually are. You know, I thought it weakened everybody.
Speaker 1: The only time. I mean I laughed out loud a
Speaker 1: couple of times, you know, I thought it was hysterically funny.
Speaker 1: When Laurel, I said, that's when she was coming in.
Speaker 1: They made asked her to come and talk to the
Speaker 1: old ladies. She said, that's a deep philosophical question. Then
Speaker 1: she starts backing up. Yeah, that was like for me,
Speaker 1: that was the moment of the whole thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I did have some belly laughs like la But the
Speaker 1: part I will agree with is there was very little
Speaker 1: drama in the drama in this episode. That was like
Speaker 1: really heartfelt a little bit with Rory. Okay, so Tara,
Speaker 1: you tell us your thought and then I'm just so
Speaker 1: excited for my bomb, my bomb to draw. I mean
Speaker 1: kind of the same as Danielle, Like I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I think also, just having seen the series so many times,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot about this one,
Speaker 1: and then it was like entertained by it. But when
Speaker 1: you put it that way, everyone was a little out
Speaker 1: of character. For me, when I was watching it last night,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is really entertaining. I forgot about
Speaker 1: like this is where we see Lindsay and all that stuff, um,
Speaker 1: and I forgot the grant and her boyfriend. I would
Speaker 1: say I melted with Adam Brady. We'll get to it later,
Speaker 1: but I just but I but he even he was
Speaker 1: out of right, even because he wasn't cool and we're
Speaker 1: so used to him being cool. I did it that
Speaker 1: he went running over there, you know that when the
Speaker 1: camera on that close up of him after Lane leaves
Speaker 1: with Young Chew on the fake day, and then they
Speaker 1: cut to day for Dolski and he's like, he looks like, well,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Right? Looks bummed? Right, It's like, come on,
Speaker 1: don't destroy his character. And another and another beef I
Speaker 1: have is what the heck is Jess doing behind the counter?
Speaker 1: Having seen with Rory, he was that that was a
Speaker 1: big moment for the show because he was working behind
Speaker 1: the counter exactly. Wait why because he was talking to Jess,
Speaker 1: I felt I started feeling a little territorial. And I
Speaker 1: know it sounds ridiculous, but to do a scene, to
Speaker 1: choose to do a scene with him behind the counter
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know that I noticed that, but
Speaker 1: he's been behind the counter before. There before, he's done
Speaker 1: the register before, when you're upstairs are gone food. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything has been was a little off for me in
Speaker 1: that episode. I don't going to disagree with you. You
Speaker 1: know that wasn't off. Marion Ross's name was spelled. I
Speaker 1: noticed that too. Okay, it's just just to me, it's like,
Speaker 1: how can anybody, even if they're elderly, be that unconscious
Speaker 1: to how obnoxious and abusive they're being to uh to Emily.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's very out of the top. And
Speaker 1: that scene in the kitchen with Laura La, I'm telling
Speaker 1: her about the job, the jogger kiss. You know, she goes,
Speaker 1: now I have my moment, and then Laura to convince
Speaker 1: her not to do it. You know, I just what
Speaker 1: is what what are you go doing? Get out of
Speaker 1: her way, Let the scene happen. Let it an't. Let
Speaker 1: it flyde man. I mean she earned this over three
Speaker 1: and a half two and a half years of taking
Speaker 1: crap off that one in the audience wants. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm the audior like forty years. She's been taking crap
Speaker 1: from that one for four years. Part that doesn't track
Speaker 1: for me with tricks is tricks is so you know,
Speaker 1: she's she's a fancy lady who has perfect manners and
Speaker 1: so proper. So even if she hates Emily, somebody like
Speaker 1: that would never do it in front of their friends
Speaker 1: because it would be so rude that they would judge that,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? That would be only
Speaker 1: do when it's just the family. So that was the
Speaker 1: part that I thought, Oh, she wouldn't, you know, like
Speaker 1: a mean old bitch is so perfect at a party,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean. So that was a
Speaker 1: part that I was like, she's not going to do
Speaker 1: that with those you know Granny's they're okay funeral So
Speaker 1: I know, I know, why were they like that? They
Speaker 1: were No, they were no Golden girls idea And I
Speaker 1: don't have a name for it yet. We have to
Speaker 1: come up with a name. But I think this is new, everybody,
Speaker 1: This is new, keeping it fresh. Okay, So each week
Speaker 1: before we start kind of going through it chronologically, I
Speaker 1: want to do a quick high low or like what
Speaker 1: made the biggest impression on you and what was your
Speaker 1: bone to pick? Because last episode when we did the
Speaker 1: bone to pick, people really seem to like that. They
Speaker 1: wrote all about it with their if they agreed or
Speaker 1: disagreed with our bones to pick. So I feel like
Speaker 1: we need to do are each of us well no,
Speaker 1: because I didn't give my thing that really landed on me,
Speaker 1: which was what was going on at the end with Rory.
Speaker 1: I a phone call. No, when she comes home, so
Speaker 1: Jess is all awesome, picks her up, No, Jess Blewett, No,
Speaker 1: Jess looking awesome. I had that was a hail marriage. Yes,
Speaker 1: that was That was a total hair hail Mary, and
Speaker 1: she didn't buy into it. She was still hurt and
Speaker 1: she was still hurting because Dean was gone. Now okay,
Speaker 1: so that is okay in that moment, like I had
Speaker 1: a good one. I let it go for this loser
Speaker 1: and that could look how he's treating Okay, that's sensitive.
Speaker 1: She's a sensitive young girl that she was sort of
Speaker 1: MOPy about Dean. But I had a weird moment where
Speaker 1: I'm like, did the have sex? And he is the
Speaker 1: same back, I just said that and you said it
Speaker 1: before me. I agree with you. I was like, did
Speaker 1: they have sex? And then she's so belted it kind
Speaker 1: of because he's not treating her right. Yeah? Was it
Speaker 1: taking you back to the episode? I think it was
Speaker 1: the last episode silent well, and then she told Loralae
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna do it and then she was all
Speaker 1: weird with loral and scurried off. So I'm I was
Speaker 1: like having this weird moment, although I do agree with
Speaker 1: Scott that I do think she's bummed about Dean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh that's so weird. I mean I kind of had
Speaker 1: to slow claud Dean in this episode, like like just
Speaker 1: gonna you know happy. Yeah, Dean was awesome in this
Speaker 1: episode because he's got the new girlfriend. He's totally confident
Speaker 1: in it, but still was so sweet and cool to
Speaker 1: Rory and his friend. It was like this guy and
Speaker 1: he looked good in hockey. Okay, alright, Dean, I see you, right?
Speaker 1: So does anyone else have something that they either that
Speaker 1: really stood out to them that we'll discuss further when
Speaker 1: we get to it or like a major bone to pick.
Speaker 1: I do have something that landed on me, like it
Speaker 1: talked abousked me to to think, um, but it's at
Speaker 1: the very end we want to go yeah, because this
Speaker 1: is going to get exact. People are gonna get so
Speaker 1: excited with my bone to pick led to my aha moment.
Speaker 1: So the bone to pick was the Emily and Trick stuff.
Speaker 1: I it just I felt a little it felt overplayed
Speaker 1: to me and the same old stick over and over
Speaker 1: and over again. But the very very end landed on
Speaker 1: me when Emily was like, I'm lonely too. Did everything
Speaker 1: you know didn't ever come across to your did you
Speaker 1: ever think that maybe I'm feeling the same way that
Speaker 1: I'm lonely and that you hurt me? And and it
Speaker 1: was just a very vulnerable moment for her character, which
Speaker 1: I still think it's stuck true to who she is
Speaker 1: as a character, Emily. But it just made me like,
Speaker 1: oh man, she's like giving her truth in that moment
Speaker 1: and that it really like that scene landed on me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what the scene that bothered me the most.
Speaker 1: You want to you want to know my largest phone
Speaker 1: of the bone yard, because this was a bone yard
Speaker 1: for me. But but, but the biggest bone is Laura
Speaker 1: La and Richard sitting on the couch after the sort
Speaker 1: of the reconciliation speech from Emily with the tricks which
Speaker 1: I didn't buy, and now she's going downstairs to get
Speaker 1: to tea before she arrives. Before she comes downstairs, Richard
Speaker 1: starts laughing, and the whole whole thing, well, um, you
Speaker 1: know the jokes. So I'm gonna I have a daddy now,
Speaker 1: without one mention that, without one mention of how his
Speaker 1: wife has been humiliated, how she's been feeling. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just looked, Oh she no, I thought, Richard said
Speaker 1: a break, because Graham's so tough, but so gently, so deferentially,
Speaker 1: and Emily so deferential to this woman and moralize, so
Speaker 1: deferential to her father, and and and him being so
Speaker 1: completely oblivious to the to the harm this is causing
Speaker 1: his own wife. Again, he just comes off to me
Speaker 1: like some spoiled, unconscious little boy who's so enamored of
Speaker 1: his Mommy. Mommy is okay, and she can do you
Speaker 1: think she wants and run rough shot over my wife
Speaker 1: forty years And he sits there and laughs about a
Speaker 1: moment with the kiss with the jogging suit instead of,
Speaker 1: you know, tapping into what his wife is going. Well,
Speaker 1: this has been your one bone to pick with, Richard.
Speaker 1: I think the whole series you have never liked that
Speaker 1: he is, so I don't like a MoMA's boy. I
Speaker 1: can't stay. Yeah, he's very deferential to Graham. It's just
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's a very fair criticism, and I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here listen. I understand that these scenes are are are
Speaker 1: well written, they're beautifully acted, they're funny, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the onance love these scenes.
Speaker 1: I get that I can't enjoy them. I don't enjoy
Speaker 1: them at all. You know what I enjoy. I enjoy
Speaker 1: the possibility that Emily is finally going to take action.
Speaker 1: I wanted her to dump that over her head and
Speaker 1: she didn't, and I was like, gosh, darn it. She's
Speaker 1: singing songs and then she gets you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: give her enough sort of revenge, right, And I understand
Speaker 1: it's an elderly woman. You can't go off on an
Speaker 1: elderly woman. She's like the trich, she's like the Gilmore matriarch,
Speaker 1: and she's protecting Rory, and maybe Rory is going to
Speaker 1: inherit something or whatever. So she's got to be very careful.
Speaker 1: But I think it was justified and was the last
Speaker 1: time I'll said. I think she was just a fight
Speaker 1: and having a little you know, it's a little bigger
Speaker 1: sort of freak out on Graham than she had imagined
Speaker 1: money a little bit, because it's would be one thing
Speaker 1: if these guys were all like broke his jokes and
Speaker 1: Graham was the was the purse strings and had all
Speaker 1: the money, but like Richard has made his own money,
Speaker 1: So that is like they they're not beholden to Graham
Speaker 1: to take you know, not that you should be that way,
Speaker 1: but I think some people are like you know, whatever
Speaker 1: the word is, if if they can't afford their bills,
Speaker 1: if this person isn't funding them. But that's not the
Speaker 1: Gilmore and Laurel I sitting there witnessing this. She came
Speaker 1: in and met the women and and and Graham did it.
Speaker 1: And you know, she humiliated Emily in front of her
Speaker 1: own daughter, in front of her own friend. And what
Speaker 1: does what does Emily too? And Laurel I doesn't chirp
Speaker 1: at her and all say, hey, Graham, you know, why
Speaker 1: don't you take it down and not. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't like the worst thing ever to say that Graham
Speaker 1: kissed a dude, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: it seems like there's so many it was almost like
Speaker 1: juicy and hate it. The old ladies could have had
Speaker 1: a real good time talking about it, but instead it
Speaker 1: was this horrific thing. Emily is so utterly um filled
Speaker 1: with amma when it comes to anybody crossing her, her
Speaker 1: own daughter, anybody else. You. I mean, some of the
Speaker 1: greatest speeches and comebacks have come out of Emily's mouth.
Speaker 1: That's very true. Yet she cannot muster uh a couple
Speaker 1: of paragraphs of like back the hell off and don't
Speaker 1: talk to me that way in front of her own
Speaker 1: daughter to Graham. And she's the one that is so
Speaker 1: capable of doing that. She's proved that throughout the show. Laura,
Speaker 1: I can do it. Rory's learning to do it. It
Speaker 1: is just though, like I can't imagine saying that to
Speaker 1: my mother in law. You know, there is no I can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about that when she's also insane too,
Speaker 1: So I don't have like that like you know, correlation
Speaker 1: to the scenario. But when it comes to your mother
Speaker 1: in law at least like being you know, married to
Speaker 1: my husband. That's my mother in law. There is a
Speaker 1: level of respect that you have to you have to
Speaker 1: deal with and as Yeah, I don't know. That's the
Speaker 1: only thing I said. That theory about the mother in
Speaker 1: law that she just can't cross the mother in law. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't give the mother in law the right
Speaker 1: to to call call an idiot every word coming out
Speaker 1: of her mouth. I mean it's not only just calling her.
Speaker 1: She hates Emily everything. There is no quarter given to
Speaker 1: em at all. Bottom line, it is Richard's place to
Speaker 1: step up and right. But he's saying done. It is
Speaker 1: a great bone. Yeah, So here's here's the here's the
Speaker 1: big this is what I'm getting at. Okay, no wonder, Laurel,
Speaker 1: I got the hell out of there. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a that's a crazy house. Right. Yeah, And can
Speaker 1: you imagine when it was like back then, when everybody
Speaker 1: had more energy, right, when Graham was younger, when oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, Graham is nuts. I mean, I know, Okay,
Speaker 1: in a minute, we're going to go back to the
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode. But mental and bringing right, Grant's
Speaker 1: bringing her own mattress in and you know, right, Graham
Speaker 1: is nuts. So now she's in stars Hollow, which is
Speaker 1: like a breath of fresh air. Thank god, I'm away
Speaker 1: from these nuts, nut jobs who think they're I You
Speaker 1: thought my mother and dad were bad. You should see
Speaker 1: my grandmother. Oh my god, it's impossible. It's like she
Speaker 1: walked out of the sevres. It's like, what is happening
Speaker 1: with the people? So she got the hell out and
Speaker 1: and gosh, Darnett. I don't blame her. Stay away, don't
Speaker 1: go back. It's like, get a second job to pay
Speaker 1: for jolt yourself. Do not take this money anymore from
Speaker 1: these crazy people. Let's go back to the beginning of
Speaker 1: the episode. He's talking about people with their heads so
Speaker 1: far up there. It's unbelievable. She had to get out, right,
Speaker 1: So now we will go through it. So we start
Speaker 1: in with Dozy talking to Laurela about his upcoming family reunion,
Speaker 1: which I did find funny, all the family reunion stuff. Yeah, yeah, Taylor,
Speaker 1: I mean Taylor being Taylor all the time. He's always Taylor. Well,
Speaker 1: don't keep me waiting because I have many things to
Speaker 1: do today. His brother was so good, his brother. I
Speaker 1: have a theory that Luke and Taylor's brother would be
Speaker 1: p f F Taylor with this guy. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been. I think they missed a big opportunity
Speaker 1: with Taylor's brother. I thought it was really cliche and
Speaker 1: such an obvious choice to make him that way. I
Speaker 1: wanted Taylor's brother to be exactly like Taylor. It would
Speaker 1: have been. And what you're saying, give give him give
Speaker 1: him a brother that is exactly like him. That would
Speaker 1: be funny, right, and see which one is more like
Speaker 1: per nikety, you know what I mean, and more detailed
Speaker 1: and more an. I mean, it just would have been
Speaker 1: like you think you think I'm bad, Laura, Like what
Speaker 1: do you meet my brother there? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And then there's just like it's like give me a
Speaker 1: tailor on steroids, you know, Yeah, that actually would have been.
Speaker 1: Instead we get sort of the average normal guy that's
Speaker 1: just like Taylor. You're nuts. See everybody in two hours
Speaker 1: have a cocktail. Yeah, just because the show calls for it.
Speaker 1: The show allows you that sort of It's detached from
Speaker 1: reality enough where you could you could get a tailor
Speaker 1: on steroids. Very funny. So then we moved from that scene,
Speaker 1: which I thought was very funny. This was in the diner,
Speaker 1: so we kind of jumped around with the family reunion stuff.
Speaker 1: But we go to Friday night dinner and this is
Speaker 1: where Rory and Lori la are just eating so fast
Speaker 1: and we're kind of like, what are they doing? Then
Speaker 1: we find out they both have plans and dates, and
Speaker 1: I just thought the funniest part is like Emily's like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll just sit here until you tell me what's going on. Also,
Speaker 1: when they're at the table, the two of them by themselves,
Speaker 1: they're like, you're being obvious, like we're supposed to eat fast,
Speaker 1: but like your way too obvious. Okay again again completely
Speaker 1: insulting to Emily, hurt her feelings. That's her granddaughter wanting out.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be with you, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be here. I want to get the hell out.
Speaker 1: So I didn't take it. I found that behavior offensive.
Speaker 1: I see. I thought it was more amusing because it's
Speaker 1: Friday night and these guys have dates. And I actually
Speaker 1: think if they would have told Emily, she would have
Speaker 1: been like cool. You know, I've never felt I start
Speaker 1: feeling sorry for Emily. I mean, she's just getting dumped
Speaker 1: on granddaughter and gh I mean, she's getting from all sides.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants anything to do with her. And then they
Speaker 1: have that pathetic scene where she goes to the end
Speaker 1: and oh, Grandma, let me. She kicked me out of
Speaker 1: the house. You right, what is happening here? It wasn't like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Graham really makes Emily not Emily like the Emily we
Speaker 1: know and love to hate is completely lost with Graham
Speaker 1: because she just puts her into a whole diather and
Speaker 1: she can't function. And I get that there are people
Speaker 1: that you meet in your life that sort of turn
Speaker 1: you into something that you're not um but this is
Speaker 1: this is a television show. We please, So I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting as we we have a mention of
Speaker 1: Alex because okay, so people on Instagram were mad at
Speaker 1: me because I can't remember about how it ends with Alex,
Speaker 1: but sometimes I can't remember everything. So we have a
Speaker 1: mention of Alex that she's going out with Alex, but
Speaker 1: there's no Alex. So I think Scott, you were right.
Speaker 1: And I can't remember if Billy mentioned it that he
Speaker 1: probably did get another job. Yeah, you know that Lauren
Speaker 1: wanted more of them, right, right? Like they probably did
Speaker 1: want him, and he probably he was like doing another
Speaker 1: show because it's not like they're still talking about him.
Speaker 1: So okay. So and then we sort of get the
Speaker 1: inkling of Jess not calling, which I thought was like
Speaker 1: I thought it was out of character for him to
Speaker 1: not call her. Really, yeah, only because like he's been
Speaker 1: so on her with like you know, deans around this
Speaker 1: and that. Like I feel like he's been really like
Speaker 1: tell me everything, what are you doing? And so if
Speaker 1: he wants communication, then like why isn't he just giving
Speaker 1: her a call when he gets off of work? Double right?
Speaker 1: It was a little weird, absolutely right. You know, they
Speaker 1: get these kids. Look, I remember being young and falling
Speaker 1: in love and there was you want to be with
Speaker 1: that person. I mean when it's new and it's fresh
Speaker 1: and you're establishing your relationship, Yeah, you don't. You don't
Speaker 1: not call somebody. Well, and Jess is an asshole. Sorry,
Speaker 1: apparently he is. Apparently he used to be. He was
Speaker 1: such a bad boy. You know, bad boy is different
Speaker 1: than than ass But what is he He's not calling
Speaker 1: her because he has some deep seated psychological problems. He's
Speaker 1: just not thinking about it or they've messed up the
Speaker 1: character because the character we know would have called so
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this, he was dating what's your doozy?
Speaker 1: What was that girl at the Shane Shane. He was
Speaker 1: so righteous that he wasn't even gonna like kiss Rory
Speaker 1: or dave Rory until he went and did the right thing,
Speaker 1: which was to break up with Shane. Yes, is a
Speaker 1: good guy. He's kind of a bad boy, but like
Speaker 1: you know, or the town like hoodlum as they once said.
Speaker 1: But like he would have checked in with Rory, he wouldn't.
Speaker 1: He would have been like, I'm working Lane, because like,
Speaker 1: who cares? You know, I expected I expected this, this
Speaker 1: behavior to be explained at the end of the episode
Speaker 1: to her in that scene, like you know something, you know,
Speaker 1: I had a bad phone call with my mom, My
Speaker 1: mom went in to the hospital, my you know, I'm
Speaker 1: there had to be something to throw him off because
Speaker 1: he was so different. He was like a completely different person,
Speaker 1: acting like he's got these deep seated psychological problems or
Speaker 1: some secret that he's not revealing, or some family mess
Speaker 1: that's happening that's affecting him. But we're not getting any
Speaker 1: explanation for this other than Okay, now he's a creep again.
Speaker 1: That's right, Like it's giving us sort of this reason
Speaker 1: to kind of oh Dean. It's almost like the writers
Speaker 1: knew they wanted Rory to be conflicted, to be you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit sad that Dean's got Lindsay. But like
Speaker 1: then the way they got us to it is a
Speaker 1: little off because Jess isn't a jerk. He is now
Speaker 1: he's back to being a jerk. Yeah, he ignored. He
Speaker 1: ignored his girlfriend over the entire weekend until his girlfriend's
Speaker 1: mother had to kind of reprimand him. You think that, Scott,
Speaker 1: what did you think of that? It just I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: this episode just did not get off the ground. It
Speaker 1: didn't get off the ground at all. It stayed on
Speaker 1: the runway and I was waiting for it to fly,
Speaker 1: and it just none of it. It made no There
Speaker 1: was no logic to it, like cohesion is that the word?
Speaker 1: There was no emotional logic to it. I couldn't, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't understand why these people were acting this way.
Speaker 1: And these are characters that I love and I care
Speaker 1: about and who who I think are brilliant characters. But
Speaker 1: they did were not behaving like themselves. In this episode,
Speaker 1: and I didn't get a really good explanation as to why, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what did everybody think about laur A Lie twice sort
Speaker 1: of having words with Jess, kind of giving him advice.
Speaker 1: It felt like a big overstep, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: a lot of moms that are going to be like,
Speaker 1: I agree is the best and you should be calling
Speaker 1: her And she likes to go to concerts like that
Speaker 1: would turn a kid off. And if her daughter found
Speaker 1: her daughter before I found out she did that, she'd
Speaker 1: probably mad her mom. I was about to say, if
Speaker 1: I find out my mom did that with someone I
Speaker 1: was dating, I'd be mortified. Yeah, because I think between us,
Speaker 1: I will get Laura Lie mom points though, for making
Speaker 1: Rory go to the hockey game. You're not going to
Speaker 1: stay at home. You're not gonna wait by the phone
Speaker 1: and hope this guy calls you. You get your butt
Speaker 1: out and you go to the hockey game and have fun.
Speaker 1: That felt very Laura lish. Yeah, that felt like something
Speaker 1: Laurea l I would do. The thing that was interesting
Speaker 1: about Jesse's we all know she doesn't love Jess, so
Speaker 1: why is she like getting up in his but helping him?
Speaker 1: It's like because she doesn't her daughter to be hurt.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like he reverted back to when we
Speaker 1: first met him and he started interacting with Flora. Wasn't good.
Speaker 1: Reverted He's reverted back to this kid again. He's not
Speaker 1: being the Jess we know with Rory, because even though
Speaker 1: Jess always had conflict, let's say with lower Lea or
Speaker 1: even Luke, he never hurt Rory. Like, I can't think
Speaker 1: of one time other than when we I think it
Speaker 1: was her fault that he wanted her and he started
Speaker 1: dating Shane only because she was still with Dean and
Speaker 1: she was hurt by that. But she but he made
Speaker 1: sense like you're dating teen again. He was so true.
Speaker 1: So I just I don't see him being He's acting
Speaker 1: like he has psychological problems. He's acting like he's bipolar.
Speaker 1: He's acting like he's got drug problems. He's acting in
Speaker 1: ways that a mother would not want him anywhere near
Speaker 1: her daughter. Yeah, I mean, I like this episode, but
Speaker 1: as we're talking about it, it's like it does sort
Speaker 1: of have its flaws. It's kind of funny and light
Speaker 1: for the parts that were that. But you're right, like
Speaker 1: I am sort of buffuddled by Jess. And then I
Speaker 1: like where Laurelie says, don't compare these two, but why
Speaker 1: is Rory do comparing them? She picked Jess, Well, it's inevitable.
Speaker 1: They're in a small town and Dean's interface all the
Speaker 1: time by happenstance, and you know, he's being a great guy,
Speaker 1: and he's being a great friend, and Jess as being
Speaker 1: you know, he's reverting back to some old behavior which
Speaker 1: is not fun to watch, and it's hurting that girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's uh, you know, I don't look, Jess has
Speaker 1: displayed and proven that he is smarter. Then he's trying
Speaker 1: to get away with Now, Okay, he understands how she feels,
Speaker 1: he understands his effect on her, he understands all this.
Speaker 1: So ignoring her over a weekend is it's either it's
Speaker 1: either intentional or he's had some kind of an episode
Speaker 1: um that maybe we'll find out about the next But
Speaker 1: I think the writers just to me, this is where
Speaker 1: it takes you out of it being real, is that
Speaker 1: they wanted this sort of angsty nous over Dean or
Speaker 1: maybe the missing Dean, and this was the only way
Speaker 1: they could get us there, because it Jess is being Jess,
Speaker 1: the jests that we've that we're falling for and loving,
Speaker 1: he's not going to do this, which means she's not
Speaker 1: going to be jealous of Lindsay. Right. The reason she
Speaker 1: sort of was a little jealous of Lindsay was because
Speaker 1: Jess wasn't treating her great, Like even when Dean's like,
Speaker 1: how's Jess and She's like great, but it's b s. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I think it kind of sets
Speaker 1: up like this happened the episode where we see Lindsay
Speaker 1: and like we're like okay, and you know, it was
Speaker 1: kind of like playing We're now a little bit more
Speaker 1: on like Dean side, like okay, it looks like he's
Speaker 1: moving on maybe, and then Jess's kind of like losing
Speaker 1: interest on the other side or being a jerk. The
Speaker 1: thing I can't remember is when I saw it the
Speaker 1: first time. Did I see it coming with Lindsay, like
Speaker 1: you know they meet, yeah again, you know there obviously
Speaker 1: we're friends at high school before she went to Chilton,
Speaker 1: And remember She's like, well that was weird, right, and
Speaker 1: Lane's like, yeah, that was weird. Did you think Lane knew?
Speaker 1: How did Lane not know that he's dating that he
Speaker 1: was dating Lindsay because as she goes to school with them,
Speaker 1: and like it's a small town, Lane would have known.
Speaker 1: And I even thought the way Lane was in that
Speaker 1: scene that she knew. Watch it again. It was almost
Speaker 1: like she was hiding something from Rory. But then in
Speaker 1: the next scene she says, I didn't know. It's you
Speaker 1: think she's also just been like super distracted with the band,
Speaker 1: because like sometimes when you're distracted with your own thing,
Speaker 1: like in the band. And no, he's too small in
Speaker 1: the town school. Are you kidding me? If at my
Speaker 1: school two people were dating or even their best friend's
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend and you break up and then he's dating
Speaker 1: a new girl at school that they were clearly friends with,
Speaker 1: we would all know. So I'm like, yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: bone to pick for me. You know. It felt like
Speaker 1: the studio gave some notes to this production and said, listen,
Speaker 1: let's let's do sort of a kid centric episode because
Speaker 1: we need to sort of uh give a nod to
Speaker 1: that demo because that's you know, the c W was
Speaker 1: a young network. It wasn't you know, it doesn't skew older.
Speaker 1: It's it's under thirty five, right, it's older, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah, it was really it was really geared
Speaker 1: toward teens, and that's the audiences they wanted to get,
Speaker 1: so maybe that had something to do. Almost feels like
Speaker 1: the writers maybe put the writers out of their element
Speaker 1: and put the writers out of their strengths. Scott, You're
Speaker 1: going to have to answer this because this is just
Speaker 1: a weird theory. But I'm not like I do. I'm
Speaker 1: not an actor or a director. It's almost like they
Speaker 1: had Kenny Ortega scheduled right, and then the writers wrote
Speaker 1: this episode that isn't right for Kenny Ortega because think
Speaker 1: about the Kenny Ortega Thanksgiving the dance, um, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty four Dance with thon this So it was almost
Speaker 1: like Kenny was trying to do his Kenny thing, but
Speaker 1: that the right wasn't totally right for it. Um. It
Speaker 1: feels sort of like, wait, I get what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think what happens is if you don't okay, Uh.
Speaker 1: I do think it was right for Kenny because he
Speaker 1: dealt with all those kids and that's his sweet spot.
Speaker 1: He does that well, he does big crowds well, he
Speaker 1: does that. He did the hockey games. Everything was great. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a Kenny Ortega issue. I
Speaker 1: think it was I really think it was the studio
Speaker 1: wanting to appeal to the demo more more minutes per episode.
Speaker 1: It's like, we're doing the the adult thing too much.
Speaker 1: Let's do the kid. Let's do the kid thing more. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe ratings weren't what they I mean, ratings were
Speaker 1: always good for the show, but maybe they were trending
Speaker 1: down a little bit because things were getting a little
Speaker 1: too adult, de dramatic. Let's do kid dramatic. These are
Speaker 1: the kind of broad notes. Here's my question. Have you
Speaker 1: ever done an episode of the show doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be gil with girls? Where there was like it started
Speaker 1: with a director right, and then something happened or the
Speaker 1: director wasn't right, and they got rid of him and
Speaker 1: it was the same script but a different director and
Speaker 1: the episode everything changed, like Okay. The best example I
Speaker 1: can give is like when they did Back to the Future,
Speaker 1: Michael J. Fox was Eric Stolts, and like they all
Speaker 1: were like, Eric Stolts is a great actor, but he's
Speaker 1: playing this too dark. He's not pulling off the comedy.
Speaker 1: It's the same words on the page they bring in
Speaker 1: Michael J. Fox, and we have like what I think
Speaker 1: is like the best movie of all time, Like that's
Speaker 1: literally my favorite movie ever. So could the same be
Speaker 1: true that like the same words, maybe you could have
Speaker 1: had your melo drama if it wasn't Kenny Artaga. And
Speaker 1: I'm not critic. I love Kenny Arteaga. I think I
Speaker 1: don't think this is a director issue. It's a script issue.
Speaker 1: It's a script issue. It's not a director issue. There
Speaker 1: wasn't drama in the script enough. I don't think. I
Speaker 1: think the characters were too got too far afield from
Speaker 1: what they had established, and it's and it didn't make
Speaker 1: any kind of there wasn't any kind of real emotional
Speaker 1: logic to it. Um. So that's when you sort of
Speaker 1: disengage from a character, from a narrative, from a storyline
Speaker 1: from a show like things are feeling up. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something, it's very very difficult to remain consistent,
Speaker 1: uh with the show this complex, with character, this many voices,
Speaker 1: Very difficult to do right because I wouldn't even call
Speaker 1: this a dud, it's just sort of character. You're right, right,
Speaker 1: I know I'm sounding very negative. You're you're not, but
Speaker 1: I did enjoy the episode. I mean the kids stuff.
Speaker 1: I kind of flagged a little bit, you know, um,
Speaker 1: when it's too much Lane, Rory and Sweetie talk and
Speaker 1: all this time stuff, I kind of check out. But
Speaker 1: but it's but it's I really thought they did have
Speaker 1: some good scenes and good scenarios. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of laughs. I don't want to be so negative about it,
Speaker 1: but I just think the the uh, you know, separating
Speaker 1: Laura Line and Rory to this degree, I think it
Speaker 1: hurts the show. I think that's a really interesting point.
Speaker 1: I don't I think, because you know, I'm even just
Speaker 1: thinking about like the school was Tepee. That was funny.
Speaker 1: I did laugh out loud quite a few times. But
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Okay, wait, so I have
Speaker 1: a few listen. Listen. There there are lead characters in series,
Speaker 1: and then there's Lauren Graham and Gilmore grows. You you
Speaker 1: go away from her and you don't spend the kind
Speaker 1: of time that you want to spend with her because
Speaker 1: she's the conductor of the orchestra. He really enjoyed was
Speaker 1: you and Billy talking about that, because he has had
Speaker 1: such a great experience with her. You had such a
Speaker 1: great experience with her. I loved hearing the two of
Speaker 1: you sort of just talk about how she is an
Speaker 1: Olympian essentially U and if you don't spend enough time
Speaker 1: with her in an episode, if she's not And maybe
Speaker 1: they did it because they were giving Laura a rest,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like this had a
Speaker 1: lot to do in this episode. But I see what
Speaker 1: you're saying. It wasn't the chemistry were used to either.
Speaker 1: And look not for nothing, I'm not blowing smoke up
Speaker 1: your you know what, but there wasn't a lot of
Speaker 1: Laura lie Luke, which we do. Really those scenes are
Speaker 1: that same you're getting coffee, like It's just it's something
Speaker 1: so special because I think we only have like the
Speaker 1: one scene where you were with them briefly, and it
Speaker 1: was really more about you and Taylor, So it was
Speaker 1: like we didn't get to see I think this episode
Speaker 1: proves that this show cannot be sustained. Uh, dealing with
Speaker 1: kid World all the time for the majority of the
Speaker 1: show cannot sustain it. If that's the show they wanted.
Speaker 1: If that's the show the c w wanted, then they
Speaker 1: should have dictated that to Amy and Dan and said, listen,
Speaker 1: I can't have these older characters so much. They're there,
Speaker 1: They're gonna be twelve fourteen on the call sheet. We
Speaker 1: want the kids. Just make it about the kids. But
Speaker 1: they didn't make that show. They made a show about
Speaker 1: a mother and a daughter and this heavy relationship with
Speaker 1: a diner on right. Yeah, I mean right the show.
Speaker 1: There is nothing without Lauren Graham with the show amazing
Speaker 1: as Alexis is, which I do think she's amazing. This
Speaker 1: is Lauren Graham. You don't have a show without those two.
Speaker 1: And they've got to be together. They've got to be
Speaker 1: interacting with me, they've got to be interacting with the parents,
Speaker 1: and then you get then you get some fun kids
Speaker 1: stuff tips right right show. That's the backbone of the show.
Speaker 1: A couple more things. There was the cringe eest most
Speaker 1: inappropriate line ever in the episode you know dude, you guys.
Speaker 1: It was so when the guys are playing the band.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say the line because it
Speaker 1: made me like I literally wrote, oh gay when he
Speaker 1: said gay, even twenty years ago. That was not that No,
Speaker 1: that was rough. There was a funny line though, when
Speaker 1: um dosies reunion, they like me wonder why he's got
Speaker 1: so many pas in shoppy with that so to shop
Speaker 1: He's like, what do you have so many pas in there? Like?
Speaker 1: So that was good I found under use of Michelle,
Speaker 1: I could have used a lot more Michelle. We had
Speaker 1: that one sort of scene where they're like, are you French?
Speaker 1: I fought in the war, and it was like, the right,
Speaker 1: that is the most happy cliche thing, you know, you
Speaker 1: want to bash World War two veterans because it was like,
Speaker 1: what that scene really should have been cut out of
Speaker 1: the episode. Yeah, it made it made that veteran look ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and they were I think they were trying, Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: the angle here? So again you might be right, Like
Speaker 1: I don't want to criticize John Stevens the you do
Speaker 1: a better French joke, but there was some bad writing
Speaker 1: in this. Yeah, I mean, for God's sake, there's a
Speaker 1: million other things that you can interact, you know, a
Speaker 1: patriot or World War two veteran interacting with Michelle. And
Speaker 1: there was so much comedy you could have had with
Speaker 1: Michelle with Taylor and like, we know he's French, like
Speaker 1: we were in season three, Like we didn't a joke,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like we needed more like he just
Speaker 1: seemed it was just like a filler, it feels. It
Speaker 1: was a little funny when Emily said her bitter old biddies,
Speaker 1: but it was also like, really, you got to be
Speaker 1: so mean to the like Granny's. But I could let
Speaker 1: that one slide. Uh. The young shoe stuff with the
Speaker 1: fake dating and him talking to Karen wasn't named Karen,
Speaker 1: know what? Yeah, something like that. It was kind of
Speaker 1: classic if her name was Karen, because she's so like,
Speaker 1: kind of mad, you know, Kirk messing up the hockey.
Speaker 1: I would have enjoyed that more, maybe if some of
Speaker 1: the other stuff wasn't sort of like so over the top.
Speaker 1: Two Yeah it was. It was just it was just
Speaker 1: an odd episode, you know. One once one thing is off,
Speaker 1: then it sort of throws everything else off. It's like
Speaker 1: a house of cards. What about Miss Patty singing the
Speaker 1: national anthem with the bet? That was pretty That was good.
Speaker 1: But they were good, but then it seemed like the
Speaker 1: crowd didn't care. I was like, what's going on? I
Speaker 1: did like how Rory discovered that sports are really about
Speaker 1: food and she enjoyed that, notcho I am Rory when
Speaker 1: it comes to sports. I'm like, oh, does Dodger Gaines
Speaker 1: get some notches? Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, there was some
Speaker 1: good laughs for sure. Yeah, like even when or lies
Speaker 1: like are you serious? Are you serious? Like that was funny.
Speaker 1: I am being serious and I am serious. Lane kind
Speaker 1: of knowing after they saw lindsay like, hey, are you okay?
Speaker 1: Lane kind of knew like that's a little tough. So
Speaker 1: that was mm hmmm mm hmmm. The whole kissing the
Speaker 1: man thing for Graham was kind of also random, but
Speaker 1: yet I did laugh at Emily kind of like sneaking
Speaker 1: me out and then basically hiding in the Everything was funny,
Speaker 1: but also like, who cares that she's kissing this old guy? Right?
Speaker 1: Why are you leaving your own house? Right? It's you.
Speaker 1: It's your freaking house. That's your right. It's like, go upstairs,
Speaker 1: you're going the kitchen. What are you leaving for? I
Speaker 1: don't know. None of this made sense to me, but
Speaker 1: a lot of it didn't make sense. The kids, you know,
Speaker 1: the kids stuff kind of saved me. I was befuddled
Speaker 1: at the end because I felt like Rory would have
Speaker 1: been happy that Jess got the concert. Take it's and
Speaker 1: they went and had a good time. So the fact
Speaker 1: that she was so bummed when she got home threw
Speaker 1: me off. I was like, WHOA, what's going on? To
Speaker 1: be honest, I can't really like watching it back in
Speaker 1: order like this. I'm like, I can't even remember what
Speaker 1: happened the next couple episodes after this, like diving into
Speaker 1: like I'm like, what's next? I don't remember? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird. Is maybe Scott you could this
Speaker 1: sort of felt like a filler episode or like plunked
Speaker 1: it in there. I mean, obviously we're gonna have more
Speaker 1: from lindsay yes, but I think Grant, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't obviously. I think this episode served the purpose of
Speaker 1: um maybe trying to refocus the attention from a different
Speaker 1: demo on a narrative the studio thinks is going to
Speaker 1: be far more powerful in terms of selling ads and
Speaker 1: getting Let's focus on the kids. Let's let's do the
Speaker 1: Dean uh Rory Milo or Jess uh Troy ka there
Speaker 1: and and let's spice this up a little bit with kids,
Speaker 1: you know, and let's see if we can get better
Speaker 1: ad dollars or something like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And let's let's see how this episode is received and
Speaker 1: let's see see if the critics mentioned it, see what
Speaker 1: happens with with our buyers and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I really think that it was a business move, you know,
Speaker 1: to really try to ye, I'm not gonna lie peeked
Speaker 1: ahead a little bit. And and there's a very big
Speaker 1: adult storyline coming next week. So well, I mean the
Speaker 1: head too, did you. I was watching last night and
Speaker 1: I was like, I really want to watch two episodes tonight.
Speaker 1: But I thought myself, like a couple of minutes in
Speaker 1: and you know, and you know, maybe, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: in the writer's room they were given this dictates from
Speaker 1: the studio and they just was kind of like, Jesus,
Speaker 1: what do we do now? And next next week's written
Speaker 1: by Amy, so we know that it's going to be
Speaker 1: and it's called the Big One. That's the title. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't want to harp on on the writing, even
Speaker 1: though well there was some cringe e writing in there,
Speaker 1: so that, but I don't want to. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you want to necessarily blame the writer for the writing,
Speaker 1: because he may have been facing some impossible tasks and
Speaker 1: there was something funny. There was some funny stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I did laugh out loud, and I enjoyed myself watching it.
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm ever look at It's like comparing,
Speaker 1: you know, five star restaurants, like it's always a five star,
Speaker 1: but some are just light. Maybe just get a slightly better, right, Well,
Speaker 1: really you don't think this was like, well the five star,
Speaker 1: the Michelin star restaurants clothed, let's go get a hot
Speaker 1: dog on the No, I do not do you? I
Speaker 1: do not. I wasn't that like Arby's. I think for me,
Speaker 1: like this episode, if it were just like if I
Speaker 1: was going through the channel on TV and it was on,
Speaker 1: I just want to watch one. And I haven't watched
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls in a while. It's like a phil like
Speaker 1: you said, it's like a filmer entertaining, but watching an
Speaker 1: order like comparing it week after a week, we're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a great point. God, that's so and
Speaker 1: I know we have to go in a second, but
Speaker 1: that's such a great point. The way we're watching it
Speaker 1: is different, like so, I'm do you guys ever just
Speaker 1: you're on USA Network and literally s VU is on
Speaker 1: every week constantly. I always enjoy it, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if I went to the very beginning of Law
Speaker 1: and Order SVU and started watching it in order, if
Speaker 1: each episode would you know there is something about watching
Speaker 1: him in order. But there's also I've ever seen that
Speaker 1: show stop never stop it really never seen a single episode.
Speaker 1: I've seen every episode. I've never seen it in order.
Speaker 1: I just like, turn it on while I well, I
Speaker 1: don't think you would like it because you don't like
Speaker 1: I mean, you were in Saw, but you don't really
Speaker 1: like murder, and like, I'm you would love it. I
Speaker 1: love that. I love trying to figure out what's going
Speaker 1: on criminal minds, I love that crap. Yeah, okay, so Scott,
Speaker 1: we do have something exciting you are doing. So Scott,
Speaker 1: there there's these awesome which people listening no, these Gilmore conventions,
Speaker 1: like I don't know what to call them, but you're
Speaker 1: doing an amazing one and we're actually going to be
Speaker 1: at it live. So we wanted to give people a
Speaker 1: bit more information because it is the first time we're
Speaker 1: going to be there live. Well, Tar is going. I'm going.
Speaker 1: I don't lie, so I can't get there, but Tar
Speaker 1: is going, and so we're gonna do a special episode
Speaker 1: from there. So we wanted to have like the person
Speaker 1: who's putting on the convention come on to tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit more about it, so we can get
Speaker 1: everybody pumped up, whether they can go in person or
Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to listen in to the podcast.
Speaker 1: And it's a pretty much a summer fest of Gilmore hotties.
Speaker 1: Can I say that? Say anything? He wants free country,
Speaker 1: will you guys bring him? Laney? So this is the
Speaker 1: person putting on the what's it called again? And him
Speaker 1: we were actually hosting all the panels at the event,
Speaker 1: So tell us about it, tell us tell us everything. Um.
Speaker 1: So it's called Epics and Chill. It's at the Omar
Speaker 1: Shrine Auditorium UM in the Charleston, South Carolina area. It's
Speaker 1: August nineteen through one. Um, we're gonna have six members
Speaker 1: of the cast of Gilmore Girls, I know, and this
Speaker 1: is Matt Zukries and um Greg Henary's first convention. So
Speaker 1: that's Logan and then that's Mr hunts Barger, So it's
Speaker 1: Logan and his dad. Yeah, so you can get the
Speaker 1: father and son photo and then I know, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I actually wish I was going. And then Scott's going
Speaker 1: to be there and he's doing a special uh coffee
Speaker 1: meat and greet. Actually the coffee meeting green sold out,
Speaker 1: but there's a town hallal congratulations Scott. Coffee date meant
Speaker 1: greet that's already sold out. But there's a town hall
Speaker 1: meet and greet. That's uh, everyone but Matt Um and
Speaker 1: that's including Scott and that that's so genius who thought
Speaker 1: of calling it a town hall. It's John Cabrera, Seawn Gunn,
Speaker 1: Scott Patterson obviously and um and uh Yannick Schuesdale. First
Speaker 1: of all, if you have Scott, you have Michelle. That's
Speaker 1: all you need. So can so okay, if there still
Speaker 1: hotel rooms, like if people want to go like and
Speaker 1: where can they go to find out more information for
Speaker 1: people listening? So there are still ho terror rooms, And
Speaker 1: just really quickly that if you also are fans of
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl, teen Wolf, Um, we have Shane West, Brian Greenberg,
Speaker 1: Tyler Posey from teen Wolf is doing a concert on
Speaker 1: Saturday night. And we just announced Taylor Lautner, who's hasn't
Speaker 1: done anything. I'm good friends with Taylor. He never does
Speaker 1: this kind of thing, does not He's actually he's actually
Speaker 1: never done a convention in this way, like he's done panel,
Speaker 1: he's done a couple of panels in two thousand eleven.
Speaker 1: He's never come and done like the photos auto. So
Speaker 1: this is his first really real convention experience. So Scott,
Speaker 1: that ties it together for you because you just talked
Speaker 1: Twilight with Billy Burke last week. Look, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a huge convention. This is there's so many there
Speaker 1: are so many like really popular shows represented. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: she said, teen Wolf, Gossip Girl, all kinds of people
Speaker 1: are gonna be there. I've never seen a lineup like
Speaker 1: this at a convention before. It's like it's town Again
Speaker 1: where it's like a w extramgy. Yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say it really town again. So it's it's it's the Charleston,
Speaker 1: South Carolina area that the venue is technically in Mount Pleasant,
Speaker 1: but that's like basically a suburb of Charles, Charleston. That's
Speaker 1: like cool. Tara is going tar Yeah, pumped, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. We just cook. Yeah, I saw it
Speaker 1: on my credit card and I'll give you We're actually
Speaker 1: we're about to announce one of our not our last guest,
Speaker 1: but one of our final guests and it's Chase Crawford
Speaker 1: who was in Gossip Girl and also what yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did. I did a convention with Chase in New York.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Wait, so this is just like Hottie
Speaker 1: Central Girls Girls Weekend and we have a lot of
Speaker 1: people doing that. It's definitely a total girls weekend for sure, Tara.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need to face time us like a lot
Speaker 1: when when I'm not with Scott working, I'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: be off another panel. God's gonna be like, where is Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: so you guys, Scott does these, but this is the
Speaker 1: first time we're gonna be doing the podcast from the convention,
Speaker 1: so that's gonna be awesome. I can't wait tout August Night,
Speaker 1: August first, Uh huh in Charleston, South Carolina. The website is, uh,
Speaker 1: this is a pretty epic convention, wouldn't you say so? Yeah,
Speaker 1: epic cons dot com so E P I C C
Speaker 1: O N S dot com. And we'll put it on
Speaker 1: our Instagram and in the show right up, Tara, will
Speaker 1: you make sure we put it in the show right
Speaker 1: up so people have the info. Oh I love me
Speaker 1: some Matt Zukari, so you know I'm team logan. This
Speaker 1: is his very first convention ever. So get it. Get
Speaker 1: in rv AM getting I have to leave now to
Speaker 1: you imagine, get the Eastern, get get the whole game.
Speaker 1: I know Tara got the prize on this one. I
Speaker 1: really did. Oh my god, you guys pull straws on
Speaker 1: he got to come or I think it was a
Speaker 1: battle definitely between Tara and Easton and then Tara one somehow. Congratulations,
Speaker 1: we might have to send someone. This is pretty I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. Yeah, absolutely, this is a big one
Speaker 1: because we need someone to hold the phone Tara, to
Speaker 1: take all the photos with you, with all the true
Speaker 1: If you guys do not send me a photo of
Speaker 1: you with Matt Zukri, Like literally, I'm gonna be mad.
Speaker 1: We're gonna you know, We're gonna have to get in
Speaker 1: line and wait our turn to get a photo of them.
Speaker 1: Scot on line for first. I don't know. First of all,
Speaker 1: I'm afraid. I'm afraid of if I go off to
Speaker 1: him in the green room and say, Mr su Creek,
Speaker 1: do you remember me we worked? Can I get a
Speaker 1: photo with you? Can you get the hell away from me?
Speaker 1: You have to do that. You have to wait in
Speaker 1: line to get like, oh my god, I need the video.
Speaker 1: I need that. Every One told me I'm not supposed
Speaker 1: to call it the Instagram. I need it for Instagram.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I get that. We'll put all the info.
Speaker 1: This is amazing. Friday night event um is karaoke with
Speaker 1: several of the celebrities, including John Carberra. So you can
Speaker 1: come sing karaoke with John Carbara on Friday night. All yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean these are things you can't do other places.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Wait, and Charleston's kind of cool. What
Speaker 1: is it hot there? What do people wear? Um? It's
Speaker 1: a beach town, so I think, and it's August, so
Speaker 1: definitely your beach were Oh my god, I love it, Tar,
Speaker 1: I'm so jealous. I'm excited. This might be my favorite
Speaker 1: work trip I'll ever do. Okay, so incredibly excited to
Speaker 1: have you, Scott. I just wanted to let you know
Speaker 1: and I can't. I'm looking forward to our panels. So oh,
Speaker 1: it'll be fun. It'll be fun. It'll be a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. Are we doing U? Are we doing a
Speaker 1: panel just you and me? Or is you and me
Speaker 1: and all the guys? It'll be me and you and
Speaker 1: all the guys except so that will that it's everyone,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna have to actually figure that out. So
Speaker 1: Sean Gunn was originally going to be there both days,
Speaker 1: but this guy named James Gunn has messed up a
Speaker 1: little bit. He's gonna Sewan is only going to be
Speaker 1: there on Sunday and Matt's only there on Saturday because
Speaker 1: of Matt's filming schedule. So we're we originally had a
Speaker 1: panel of all together, but we're gonna probably do something
Speaker 1: on Saturday with Matt and then something on Sunday with Shawn.
Speaker 1: So we're we're actually that just kind of came through
Speaker 1: the pipeline, so we're figuring that out. But well, my
Speaker 1: production cleared me no problem. I don't know what they're problems. Oh.
Speaker 1: I will say though, but right before Matt does take
Speaker 1: back off to go back to UH filming on Sunday morning,
Speaker 1: we are going to be able to do that that
Speaker 1: amaze in group shot of all six of you together
Speaker 1: though it's coming in just for that before he leaves
Speaker 1: for the airport. So I love that. That's why Matt's awesome.
Speaker 1: Maybe I can meet him there. Well, no, you'll be
Speaker 1: there even there on Saturday with him I hope you.
Speaker 1: I hope you get your moment with Matt ser I
Speaker 1: want a moment. Oh my god, I need I need it.
Speaker 1: I don't know who gets to the hotel first, but
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, you guys should have like this.
Speaker 1: Can you see Scott just creeping on Matt's room? Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'll be too nervous and if the elevator I'll back
Speaker 1: the hell out. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry god. Yeah, well, Tara,
Speaker 1: I'm jealous. You'll be there and I'll be texting you
Speaker 1: the whole time. You're gonna face time me. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: just face Why don't you take one of the yachts.
Speaker 1: Start now. I know when we do the podcast, I'll
Speaker 1: get to be on the zoom, so I'll get to
Speaker 1: see we'll get to be on the zoom. I'll see
Speaker 1: everybody through this. This is how we really do the
Speaker 1: podcast from the panel. Yeah, Laney's no, We're gonna do
Speaker 1: it kind of like backstage. Laney's figuring it all out. Oh,
Speaker 1: I got you, all right, And then we'll have special
Speaker 1: guests that'll be we could during the group photo op
Speaker 1: with everyone, we could hold up a FaceTime of EU
Speaker 1: Daniel and then you could have a group photo with
Speaker 1: the FaceTime. It's gonna be it'll definitely be a convention
Speaker 1: specific episode. I don't know if we're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to watch a Gilmore episode and analyze exactly. We'll make
Speaker 1: it a special it'll be a whole different thing, exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. We'll see you soon. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for having you. I look forward to seeing
Speaker 1: you both at the convention. And you can't wait to
Speaker 1: meet you, Laney, And thanks for all the help. It's
Speaker 1: a lot to do, uh, and you're doing a great job.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna have a lot of fun. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I'll see you all right. So ye see
Speaker 1: everybody Auguste and Charleston right outside of Charleston at the
Speaker 1: Epics and Chill Convention Fan Convention in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina,
Speaker 1: which is right outside of Charleston. Man, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a great city, great time. Boy, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: really something. Tara, better get your sleep. Well, this is
Speaker 1: the first time that we ever do a podcast in
Speaker 1: person together, like everyone. Oh yeah, this will be the
Speaker 1: first time that you guys are meeting in person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're the only one I've been in a room withn't
Speaker 1: met personally. I know. It's that weird. It's it's so
Speaker 1: weird because when you guys see each other, you will
Speaker 1: forget that because it's like it's like we're all together
Speaker 1: all the time. Wait, Scott, are you really tall? I
Speaker 1: mean I'm like six one. Okay, I'm really sure. It's
Speaker 1: it always like, heads up, I'm shorter than you think.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I'm five one. Scott's going to be
Speaker 1: a foot tall you huh? Someone else? Like one of
Speaker 1: someone else we work with their Like after a year
Speaker 1: with you on Zoom, I didn't realize how short you were.
Speaker 1: I'm immediately googling how tall is Matt Zukriyah compare my
Speaker 1: he's like five eight, five nine, But Mr Huntsberger seems tall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it says Matt is five nine. Yeah, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Mr hunts tall. He's like five eleven. That
Speaker 1: means I need to get a photo with them Amy
Speaker 1: so we can see. That's your Christmas card? Hello, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, Merry Christmas. Everyone. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: It's going down this summer. Oh my god. Yeah. If
Speaker 1: I were listening and I could figure out a way
Speaker 1: to get there, I would do it. Ladies, Just why
Speaker 1: do you just get on a plane take a pill yourself.
Speaker 1: I haven't been on a plane since seven or something.
Speaker 1: Something happened. Did you get there? I just have issues
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm going to die every time
Speaker 1: I'm in there. It's claustrophobia. The idea to go on
Speaker 1: elevator the RV isn't a bad idea though. RV is
Speaker 1: a great way to travel. I don't you, Danielle across
Speaker 1: the country? That is like, you know, it's like you're
Speaker 1: going on tour. Man, it's fun. It's a lot of fun. Alright,
Speaker 1: next week, what's the episode? I think it's called the
Speaker 1: Big One Episode, season three? Wow? See you then? All right,
Speaker 1: so this is all one episode. We've just jesus, it's
Speaker 1: really just over an hour. It's actually was an hour
Speaker 1: and nine minutes. Yeah, you just enjoying yourself. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: tune in if you want to hear me complain for
Speaker 1: an hour night. Got a really lifted, really put a
Speaker 1: little zipperty in your JUDEA promo? Please God, can we
Speaker 1: please gotta promo? Is St Matterson the Ewing Podcast? And
Speaker 1: what are we complain about? Your favorite in our nine minutes.
Speaker 1: This week's for you. It's an honest to god bitch
Speaker 1: fest with your favorite host. How listen, how much do
Speaker 1: we hate this episode? But then we would you know,
Speaker 1: we would qualified by saying no, But we really enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of of all. That's the
Speaker 1: funniest part is I was like, it's not our favorite,
Speaker 1: but we loved it. But we didn't love it. But
Speaker 1: we did love it, but we hated it. What was all?
Speaker 1: We loved the writing. Listen, if I if I was
Speaker 1: just if I just came home from work, right, I'm tired,
Speaker 1: my feet hurt, my back hurts. You know, I gotta
Speaker 1: take a test, I need some food, and this episode
Speaker 1: came on. It would make me laugh and it would
Speaker 1: improve my day. It would I would enjoy the heck
Speaker 1: at it. I really would, I really really would. Right,
Speaker 1: It's only like Tara said, when you're comparing it to
Speaker 1: everything because we're spoiled, were so spoiled, Right, Yeah, yeah,
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