WEBVTT - Jaws of DEATH 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.680 What's up, everybody. Welcome to the Granger Smith Podcast. Thank 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.040 you for watching, thank you for listening. And I'm grateful 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.200 for this platform. I'm grateful for my right to sit 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:10.799 here in front of you and tell you my opinion 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:16.759 and have this platform. That is that is very unique 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:18.840 to be able to tell you stories of where I 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:20.400 came from, and stories of where I want to go, 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:25.320 and stories from some of my buddies. This is this 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.080 is a way for me to get closer to you 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.560 as a listener and as a viewer, so that you 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.040 could you could see a side of me that maybe 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:34.440 you don't see just on the stage singing country music. 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.520 Maybe you can get to know me a little bit better. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:39.640 And that's the reason for this podcast. That's the reason 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.440 I've done all these episodes in the past, which started 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.639 on my bus Wildflower on tour and a parking lot 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.920 of some venue. We don't do that anymore. We don't 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:52.640 tour anymore. Yet, we will be touring very soon. And 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.360 I say, it seems like I've been saying this over 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.080 and over, like beating a dead horse. But it's not 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.639 a matter of if, it's when things will get back 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.600 to normal. I reject the idea of the new normal, 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.800 the new way of life, the new way that we're 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.520 going to live. That's not right right now. We're living 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:13.160 in a current reality. The state of the world is 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.720 very different right now. But we will return back to normal, 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.120 back to the old normal. And if you don't and 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.560 if anyone tells you that we want, if anyone is 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.480 telling you that we're about to enter a new normal, 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:26.880 then you have to question their motives. You have to 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:30.200 wonder why they want you to think that way, Because 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:34.880 to me, this is a virus that eventually will go away. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.080 We will conquer it like all humans do. And whether 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.679 we find a vaccine, whether we find herd immunity, whatever, 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.600 whatever that might be, and no matter how long that takes, 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.560 it will go away and then we'll get back to normal. 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.320 That's my little spiel for the time being. And and 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:52.520 I'm excited. I don't want to do a long intro 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.800 today because I have a really cool guest and we 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.280 got into some really good conversations. 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He's a vet, but he has gone above 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:55.480 and beyond. He served twelve years at the United States 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.760 Navy Seals and he was part of an elite canine unit. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.079 He has a special relationship with dogs, and so you've 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:06.800 all seen service dogs and they're always amazing. It's always 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.040 amazing to see a service dog at work. Well, you 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.880 can imagine if you've seen any kind of service dog, 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.240 you can imagine a United States Navy Seal service dog 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.160 would be an elite version of any other service dog 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:24.280 you've ever seen, and that's exactly what Mike has handled 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:30.000 and it's what he currently does in his post combat work, 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.480 and I want you to hear all about that. Ladies 0:03:33.480 --> 0:04:04.400 and gentlemen, mister Mike Ritlin, Welcome to the Grangersmith Podcast. 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:17.719 Did chant in d sel My Times and school long 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.680 Line and by four of Pomp and Down going back 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:40.640 Rangey Colation. I think I'll start with saying that through 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.960 my travels, there's a question that comes up a lot. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:50.000 People say, besides Texas, is there a place that you've 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.279 traveled to that you would actually want to live? So 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.480 you need to think about like Colorado and there's those 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.000 are a lot of beautiful places. But what I usually 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:04.440 tell them surprise, and I'll say Iowa, really because I 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:09.720 think about those those rolling green hills of corn and 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.760 those red barns and silos. And I've told my wife, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:18.120 I was like, you don't understand. Iowa is unbelievable, so 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.360 beautiful in its own way. It's it's the most American 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.039 state scenery. Yeah, I can imagine, And that's that's where 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.160 you're from. Who is and you know, one of the 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.400 reasons why I feel so at home in Texas, especially 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.520 in a place like this and where my kennel facility 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.400 is is it's very similar to that. Yeah, And if 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.159 you're driving down the road out in front of your place, 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:41.840 or you know, the outskirts of the town I grew 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.080 up in, you wouldn't know which one is which you know. So, yeah, 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.359 there's a lot of commonality I think, between between Texas 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.839 and Iowa in terms of not just terrain, but you know, 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:56.080 from a demographic standpoint, the morals and values of people, 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.000 and the way people treat each other, the way people 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.479 take care of their things, and there's just there's there's 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.400 kind of a feeling of being home in both places 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.039 that exists. But it's neat that with the amount of 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.440 traveling that you've done that you you recognize that it's 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:12.840 pretty awesome, gossome man like justice for you. Last guest 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.760 I had in here was Robert Overst. He's six eighths. 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.839 He didn't break the bench. So Mike, thank you you drove. 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:21.839 You drove up from Dallas, three hour trip to the 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.359 e farm. First of all, thank you for driving up here. 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.560 Thank you for your service. You have a one hell 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.080 of a resume. I was thinking, is there is there 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.680 such thing as a former Navy seal or once Navy seal, 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.640 always Navy seal. Yeah, I mean, first off, I appreciate 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.360 the sentiment, my pleasure. I appreciate you bringing me down here. 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.760 To me, it doesn't really matter. Okay. You know, I 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.400 think most people don't use the term ex Navy seal, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.880 but some people do. Most people say former. Okay, I 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.159 don't really look at it as a once a Navy seal, 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.240 always a Navy seal. I mean to me, military wide, 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.680 if you're not on active duty, you're you're a former, 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.760 a former action guy as it were. So you know 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.719 to me that that's that's fine. I don't have a 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.080 preference or or get my panties in a bunch if 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.360 somebody says X or whatever. So so former Navy seal 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.520 I start with that, because that is that's an elite title. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.960 No matter how you look at it, you're you're also 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:23.240 multi time best selling author. How does it feel to 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.640 hear that now? It was probably crazy? Right, that's weird. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.400 You know, if you'd have told me ten years ago 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.000 that I'd have written a book let alone it it 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.240 made the New York Times and then written two more 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.800 that did the same thing. There's no way to believe 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:39.960 you. You You know, it's a it's a weird title for sure. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.960 It's not something that comes up real often because I'm 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.640 not an author in the traditional sense, like that's not 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.560 what I do for a living, you know, So because 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.400 I don't hear it or talk about it very often. 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.280 When people do bring it up, it still kind of 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.480 strikes me as a little odd. Sure it feels a 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.560 little weird, but sure, but it's it's a it's a 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.040 hell of an honor. It's a neat you know, a 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.640 neat group to be a part of. And I feel 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.760 very fortunate, really, I mean, you know, I kind of 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.640 stumbled into into the ability to do that, and I 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.520 was just kind of the right place at the right time. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.520 They've been loden Rat had happened not long before my 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.880 first book came out, and when everybody found out that 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.440 there was a dog on board, they kind of lost 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.560 their minds and were like, you know, wait, there was 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:22.240 a dog there, Like what was the dog? You know, 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:25.440 Navy seals use dogs, and so, you know, I had 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.640 just come back from being a trainer on the West 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.680 Coast for the Seal Team canine program out out there, 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.960 and it was just just kind of lined up. I 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:34.520 was at the right place at the right time. So 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.679 there's certainly you know a number of guys that have, 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.160 you know, far more impressive resumes as it relates to everything, 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.480 that probably have way more business writ in a book 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.440 about that than I do. But but again, I just 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.560 I kind of fell into the right spot. Yeah, so 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.439 you led me into the next part of your intro 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:57.920 is your unique experience in a canine unit, an elite 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:02.080 canine unit, and that I've kind of taken a deep 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.559 dive in you these past few days prepared for this podcast. 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.160 And uh, you know a lot about dogs. You have 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.640 a special relationship with dogs. There's a lot of people 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.839 that say they're they're a dog guy. Yeah, but you 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.520 you have dogs that have saved your life that you 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:25.320 look at as more than a canine, just as is 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.800 highly uh touted as a soldier a fellow man to you. Sure, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.000 I go through a lot of peanut butter, We'll put 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.319 it that way. Yeah, the uh you know, I mean 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.480 for me, it's uh, yeah, I grew up a dog guy. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.120 Being in Iowa. You know, if you've spent any time 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:44.000 other than driving through there, most people know bird dogs 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.840 and duck hunting is huge there, and so you know, 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.360 just kind of having a healthy appreciation for labs and 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.480 just bird dogs and hunting dogs generally speaking. Growing up, 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:59.120 that that kind of you know, manifested into an interest, uh, 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.520 you know, early on in the early two thousands, excuse me, 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.520 where it was actually on a combat deployment to Iraq 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.880 where there was a marine dog just in the vicinity 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.080 that we were in. It. It wasn't even a dog 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.280 that saved my life or any of my teammates' lives, 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.480 but we had been in the same scenario that this 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.200 marine outfit had been in, you know, countless times and 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.160 never had a dog with us, and this dog indicated 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:27.560 on an explosive cachet or booby trap rather, And for me, 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.440 that was the kind of the light switch or you know, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.480 when my brain kind of clicked on of having an 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.760 enormous interest and passion for working dogs. Up until that point, 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.599 I'd done a fair bit of you know, breeding and 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:43.480 hunting with dogs in a host of different capacities and 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.480 had a pretty significant amount of dog knowledge from an 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.400 animal husbandry standpoint, but not so much on the training side. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.920 And so that that kind of was the catalyst to dive, 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.240 to dive rather really deep into the training component. And 0:10:58.280 --> 0:10:59.920 that was you know, in early O three at the 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.680 start of the war, and then so from then up 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:04.880 until you know, as I sit here now, it's it's 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.080 just been something that you know, I've I've kind of 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.880 lived and and uh and have never really looked back. 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:12.920 But I was kind of thinking you might have you 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.880 might bring a dog today. If it was the wintertime, 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.200 I for sure would. Okay, yeah, yeah, probably maybe a 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:19.800 bite suit too, would get you. Get you in a 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.760 bite suit and do some do some of that. I'm 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.520 sure your fans would love that. So you have some 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.280 major injuries from bites. I do, Uh, well, I guess 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.400 I shouldn't say major. I mean I've had I've had 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.920 my wrist broken, and I've had uh, you know, God 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.800 knows how many times where I've been bit and you know, 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:40.319 filaid open. But in terms of you know, life altering injuries, nothing, 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.160 I will say that. You know from doing bite work 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.360 a lot, you know, being in the suit and where 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.120 they're biting your elbows and forearms and and the you 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.600 know inside your bicep and you know the nerves and 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.760 tendons that that are in there that get you know, 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.720 bit over and over and over over time. For sure, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.400 like my hands are numb most of the time, that 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.360 they don't work that well in the morning for for 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:04.840 a while. It's it's absolutely taken its toll physically on me. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.040 You know, there's there's no two ways about. It's just 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.840 that amount of bite pressure on any appendage over and over. 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.640 I mean, it's it's like a boxer or a football 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.040 player or you know, a catcher squatting, you know, banging 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:18.640 his knees up me. It's the same kind of thing. 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.000 It just it just runs you over after a while. So, 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:26.160 but the thing with getting bit is is an interesting 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:30.559 thing because it's not really a natural component to life, right, 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.920 is that most people, you know, most people are actually 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.720 pretty physically capable of defeating a dog, but have no 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.560 idea how to do it. Their mentality is such that 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.040 when it's happening, they panic. It's it's very similar to 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.760 people that can't swim very well and they're in the water. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.840 That that panic mentality is usually what takes place with 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.559 with human beings when a dog is trying to attack them, 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.240 and so you're not thinking straight, you're emotional you're panicky, 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.240 there's adrenaline, and you do a lot of the wrong things, 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.000 and so, you know, getting to a point where you're 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.120 comfortable being bit, you know, plays a huge role in 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.920 being a good, good dog trainer from the decoy side. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.000 But when you are in that frame of mind, staying 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.480 calm and thinking your way through everything and getting to 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:15.040 the point where you're minimizing damage and neutralizing the dog, 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.160 and that's what you're thinking about, not how bad it 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.560 hurts or the holy shit, there's a dog biting me 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.280 or whatever. So obviously there's a huge difference between training 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.680 and having a padded suit on where they can't you know, 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.320 hurt you nearly as much versus not having that equipment 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.240 on and being bit. But and your bites were not 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.520 with a suit, Yeah, I mean the ones. There's been 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.720 a couple with equipment on that the dog bit hard 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.600 enough to where it went through the equipment and still 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.640 still opened me up. That's pretty rare. Most dogs don't 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.680 bite that hard. But you know, the equipment is designed 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.720 to keep you from being injured, you still feel it. 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.680 You still get marked and bruised up, and your skin 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.559 gets pinched and broken, blood vessels and things like that, 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.000 But no that like where my wrist was broken, and 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.760 you know a number of other times I've been, you know, 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.040 completely opened up, has been working with a dog. And 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.280 it's always my fault, you know, right at the end 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.040 of the day. It's it's me not reading something right 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.280 or putting you know, you know, trying too much, too 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.040 fast with a dog. I'm not you know, close enough 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.760 with relationship wise. You know, it's usually a combination of 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.920 a few of those things that leads to the dog 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:23.600 deciding you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna take a 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:25.360 shot at the title and then you end up getting bit. 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.600 And where do you neutralize a dog? I'm sure that's 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.600 a huge conversation. What what what body part do you 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.640 go after to neutralize a dog? It's actually a great question. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.400 It's one that not too long ago, Tim Kennedy had 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.720 a run in with a with a neighborhood dog and 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:44.240 I don't know if it was his child or a 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:48.280 neighborhood kid or whatever, but there was this huge kind 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.080 of going back and forth on what he should have 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.880 done or didn't do or whatever, and I just I 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.320 offered my advice again from somebody who has been in 0:14:56.360 --> 0:15:00.920 that situation more times than most people. And it's really 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.000 not too dissimilar from a human being, right, is that 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.760 if you look at, say the concepts of jiu jitsu, 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.920 you know what's the primary two things that are your goal. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.680 It's body control and take their air away. You know, 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.480 just like a human being, a dog that gets their 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.320 air cut from them can't fight you, it can't hurt you. 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.600 You know, the only you know, the main difference between 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.880 dogs and humans that way is that the dog's mouth 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.160 is their primary and really only weapon, and it's far 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:31.880 more devastating than most human beings anything. Right, So you know, 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.000 my recommendation for anybody is if they have a collar, 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.200 you're in business. If they don't, it's harder, you can 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.360 still maintain the same thing. But if they have a collar, 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.840 you know, don't pick a child up because no different 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:45.680 than if a human being was trying to attack, you 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.600 wouldn't pick the kid up. And now you're hamstrung. You 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.440 can't defend yourself or the child as well. So you know, 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.200 get the kid behind you, get in front of them, 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:55.920 close the distance between the child and the dog, and 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:57.960 now you're grabbing the dog. You want to get body 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.680 control and the dog grab the collar and choke them unconscious. 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.080 You know when people get bit and they start smacking 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.200 the dog or gouge and eyes or grabbing their ears 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.520 or trying to pick him up by their nuts or whatever. 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.160 You know, for a tough dog that's dedicated, those things 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.000 are only going to make him angrier and probably more 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.000 dedicated to hurt you or whoever he's trying to attack. So, 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.960 if the dog doesn't have a collar on the same 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:22.640 thing is that I want to get body control, and 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:26.320 by body control I put to you know, grab the 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.480 dog if he doesn't have a collar, grab his skin 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.160 with both hands, pull him in to you and straddle 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.840 his back hips and then at that point pick him 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.080 up by his tail if he has a docktail, pick 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.320 him up by his back legs right at his stifles, 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:40.720 and lift his back end up off the ground again 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.480 if he doesn't have a collar. If he has the collar, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.760 choke him out. If he doesn't get control of his 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.160 back end lifted up off the ground, is it that 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.240 way at a minimum, he can't get back to you. Sure. 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.760 The hard part with that is if the dog is 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.400 dedicated and has a hard mouth and is trying to 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.840 hurt you and and accomplishes that is it. Again, most 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.440 people they get bit, they pan and things of that nature. 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.560 So it's a lot easier said than done. You've got 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.600 to keep a cool head and if you do get bit, 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.000 don't let that deter you. Stay dedicated to that process 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.560 and you're you're you're only going to be able to 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:18.400 maximize your percentage chance for taking as little damage as possible. 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.919 You know, that's that should always be the goal. That 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.159 sequence isn't a guarantee that you're not going to get 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.159 bit or injured. It's that's your best bet to to 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.800 stay out of the dog's mouth as much as possible. 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.000 Because what I can tell you from experience, whether it's 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.400 a nasty hunting dog that you know, there's there's farm 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.800 dogs around here. I'm sure that that are man eaters 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.520 that would give people a run for the money, that 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.480 could probably take people's lives. When you have a dog 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.120 that's in that, you know, whether it's incited by prey 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.159 drive or it's you know, it's just a naturally truly 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.840 forwardly aggressive animal, you know that dog is pretty hard 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:53.560 to deal with, you know, and if you don't have 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.280 the ability to do that they're going to get the 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.439 best of you, so it is important to keep a 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.520 cool head and and and realize that, you know, the 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.600 gimmicky tricks of well, I'll just you know, I'll shove 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.920 my forearm into into his mouth harder, or I'll stick 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.600 my hand down his throat. It's it's kind of akin 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.520 to saying, you know, I'm gonna grab that that chainsaw 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.159 and stop it from moving right, you know, it really is. 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.119 I mean, they bite hard enough to break bone, you know. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.680 And I'll show you some some pictures of some live 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.760 bites after this. We won't post for you guys, unfortunately, 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.359 but you know it's it's legitimate, like life altering damage. 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.280 When you have a dedicated dog that's, you know, hell 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:32.919 bent on hurting you and gets a hold of you, 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.880 it's it's pretty rough. I thought I had it bad 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:39.080 with a mean rooster at hold will get you, you know. 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.040 So that's what I was gonna ask. If you've ever 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:46.480 seen a bad guy successfully cutralize a dog. Oh, absolutely, 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.800 it does happen. I mean a gun. Yeah absolutely. I 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.240 would say that it's it's rare, it's excruciatingly rare, but 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.360 it does happen. You know, the dogs are are not invincible. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.199 Usually when it happens is you know, somebody who is 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:05.679 physically very capable and is usually on something. You know, 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:08.359 they don't feel any pain. Their their state of minor 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.960 mentality is completely whacked out for most people that aren't 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.760 used to being bit, you know, and can't keep that 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:16.920 level head when they do, that's all they think about, 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.640 you know, and you know, it's mind boggling. Sometimes you'll 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:22.840 see people that you know, a guy that's you know, 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.800 the size of your last guest, you know, or you know, 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.639 some assemblance of that size. You know that that will 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.639 hand six cops their ass, right, you know, in a 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.240 fistfight that can't get control this guy, and then they 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.639 pop out a little sixty pound female mal and on 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.560 the guys like no, you know, and it just lays 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.520 down and says, I'm not messing with the dog. So 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:45.000 they are a very different, you know, less than lethal 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:50.760 mechanism for maintaining you know, order and apprehension in criminal scenarios. 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.560 But but you know, just like with human beings or 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.159 even you know, our best special operations soldiers, you know, 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.280 they there are times where where they don't win. It's 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.959 rare you know, overwhelmingly they're they're far more successful. But 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.199 you know, yeah, there are times where whether it's a 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.280 collar or somebody just has the ability their their hands 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.880 and grip strength is enough to where they grabbed them 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.480 by the throat or you know, can can injure the 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.960 dog enough to you know, to neutralize that. What I 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.240 will say is that whether it's a home invasion scenario, 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:23.240 a law enforcement and military or whatever, is that even 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.600 in the instances where the dog is defeated one, it 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:30.840 never happens fast. And even if the subject is you know, 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:34.480 utilizing a firearm, what it's doing is it's still giving 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:38.320 you an ability to to now neutralize you know, that 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.600 that person as well. So yeah, there's a lot of 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:43.639 things he's not paying attention to. You know, all of 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.800 his focus, excuse me, is on the dog. So even 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.600 in you know, overseas scenarios where the guy's armed and 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.800 you know, dumps a bag into the dog and shoots 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:55.000 and kills them, which again doesn't happen often, but in 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.160 those instances it's still now you've got you know, four, six, eight, 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:01.200 ten guys who now have the jump on this guy, 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.159 and he's not going to last much longer than that, 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.400 sure makes sense. Have you ever heard of them, say, 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.119 I don't think it'd be as much domestic wise, but 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.560 saying a terrorist in Islamic terrorists, do you have you 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:16.119