1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome to the Granger Smith Podcast. Thank 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: you for watching, thank you for listening. And I'm grateful 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: for this platform. I'm grateful for my right to sit 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: here in front of you and tell you my opinion 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: and have this platform. That is that is very unique 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: to be able to tell you stories of where I 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: came from, and stories of where I want to go, 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: and stories from some of my buddies. This is this 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: is a way for me to get closer to you 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: as a listener and as a viewer, so that you 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: could you could see a side of me that maybe 12 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: you don't see just on the stage singing country music. 13 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: Maybe you can get to know me a little bit better. 14 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: And that's the reason for this podcast. That's the reason 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: I've done all these episodes in the past, which started 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 1: on my bus Wildflower on tour and a parking lot 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: of some venue. We don't do that anymore. We don't 18 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: tour anymore. Yet, we will be touring very soon. And 19 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: I say, it seems like I've been saying this over 20 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: and over, like beating a dead horse. But it's not 21 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 1: a matter of if, it's when things will get back 22 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: to normal. I reject the idea of the new normal, 23 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: the new way of life, the new way that we're 24 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: going to live. That's not right right now. We're living 25 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: in a current reality. The state of the world is 26 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: very different right now. But we will return back to normal, 27 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: back to the old normal. And if you don't and 28 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: if anyone tells you that we want, if anyone is 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: telling you that we're about to enter a new normal, 30 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: then you have to question their motives. You have to 31 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: wonder why they want you to think that way, Because 32 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: to me, this is a virus that eventually will go away. 33 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: We will conquer it like all humans do. And whether 34 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: we find a vaccine, whether we find herd immunity, whatever, 35 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: whatever that might be, and no matter how long that takes, 36 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: it will go away and then we'll get back to normal. 37 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: That's my little spiel for the time being. And and 38 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I don't want to do a long intro 39 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: today because I have a really cool guest and we 40 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: got into some really good conversations. This episode is brought 41 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: to you by Ye Apparel, the appair company that me 42 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: and my brothers have right here in Central Texas, right 43 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: here at the EEE Farm. Thank you for all the support. 44 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: If you have EEE apparel, if you suport ee apparel, 45 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: we are honored and it is a big responsibility for 46 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: me to continue to make a quality product and to 47 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: give you my best opinion is about the world, so 48 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: that you could be proud to represent YEEE and you 49 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: could be proud to be a member of YE nation, 50 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: part of an elite, elite club that I'm very proud of. 51 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: I think it's something that I never dreamed we could 52 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: have something like this, something something that's much bigger than music, 53 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: much bigger than any individual, and that's what EEEE is 54 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: to me. Today's guest Mike Ritlin, an amazing human being. 55 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: He is. He's a vet, but he has gone above 56 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: and beyond. He served twelve years at the United States 57 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: Navy Seals and he was part of an elite canine unit. 58 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: He has a special relationship with dogs, and so you've 59 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: all seen service dogs and they're always amazing. It's always 60 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: amazing to see a service dog at work. Well, you 61 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: can imagine if you've seen any kind of service dog, 62 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: you can imagine a United States Navy Seal service dog 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: would be an elite version of any other service dog 64 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: you've ever seen, and that's exactly what Mike has handled 65 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: and it's what he currently does in his post combat work, 66 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: and I want you to hear all about that. Ladies 67 00:03:33,480 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, mister Mike Ritlin, Welcome to the Grangersmith Podcast. 68 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: Did chant in d sel My Times and school long 69 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: Line and by four of Pomp and Down going back 70 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: Rangey Colation. I think I'll start with saying that through 71 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: my travels, there's a question that comes up a lot. 72 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: People say, besides Texas, is there a place that you've 73 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: traveled to that you would actually want to live? So 74 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: you need to think about like Colorado and there's those 75 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: are a lot of beautiful places. But what I usually 76 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: tell them surprise, and I'll say Iowa, really because I 77 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: think about those those rolling green hills of corn and 78 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: those red barns and silos. And I've told my wife, 79 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: I was like, you don't understand. Iowa is unbelievable, so 80 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: beautiful in its own way. It's it's the most American 81 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: state scenery. Yeah, I can imagine, And that's that's where 82 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: you're from. Who is and you know, one of the 83 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: reasons why I feel so at home in Texas, especially 84 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: in a place like this and where my kennel facility 85 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: is is it's very similar to that. Yeah, And if 86 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: you're driving down the road out in front of your place, 87 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: or you know, the outskirts of the town I grew 88 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: up in, you wouldn't know which one is which you know. So, yeah, 89 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: there's a lot of commonality I think, between between Texas 90 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: and Iowa in terms of not just terrain, but you know, 91 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: from a demographic standpoint, the morals and values of people, 92 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: and the way people treat each other, the way people 93 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: take care of their things, and there's just there's there's 94 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: kind of a feeling of being home in both places 95 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: that exists. But it's neat that with the amount of 96 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: traveling that you've done that you you recognize that it's 97 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: pretty awesome, gossome man like justice for you. Last guest 98 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: I had in here was Robert Overst. He's six eighths. 99 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: He didn't break the bench. So Mike, thank you you drove. 100 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: You drove up from Dallas, three hour trip to the 101 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: e farm. First of all, thank you for driving up here. 102 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for your service. You have a one hell 103 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: of a resume. I was thinking, is there is there 104 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: such thing as a former Navy seal or once Navy seal, 105 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: always Navy seal. Yeah, I mean, first off, I appreciate 106 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: the sentiment, my pleasure. I appreciate you bringing me down here. 107 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: To me, it doesn't really matter. Okay. You know, I 108 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: think most people don't use the term ex Navy seal, 109 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: but some people do. Most people say former. Okay, I 110 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: don't really look at it as a once a Navy seal, 111 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: always a Navy seal. I mean to me, military wide, 112 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: if you're not on active duty, you're you're a former, 113 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: a former action guy as it were. So you know 114 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: to me that that's that's fine. I don't have a 115 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: preference or or get my panties in a bunch if 116 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: somebody says X or whatever. So so former Navy seal 117 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: I start with that, because that is that's an elite title. 118 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: No matter how you look at it, you're you're also 119 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: multi time best selling author. How does it feel to 120 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: hear that now? It was probably crazy? Right, that's weird. 121 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: You know, if you'd have told me ten years ago 122 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: that I'd have written a book let alone it it 123 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: made the New York Times and then written two more 124 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: that did the same thing. There's no way to believe 125 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: you. You You know, it's a it's a weird title for sure. 126 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: It's not something that comes up real often because I'm 127 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: not an author in the traditional sense, like that's not 128 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: what I do for a living, you know, So because 129 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: I don't hear it or talk about it very often. 130 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: When people do bring it up, it still kind of 131 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: strikes me as a little odd. Sure it feels a 132 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: little weird, but sure, but it's it's a it's a 133 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: hell of an honor. It's a neat you know, a 134 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: neat group to be a part of. And I feel 135 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: very fortunate, really, I mean, you know, I kind of 136 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: stumbled into into the ability to do that, and I 137 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: was just kind of the right place at the right time. 138 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: They've been loden Rat had happened not long before my 139 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: first book came out, and when everybody found out that 140 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: there was a dog on board, they kind of lost 141 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: their minds and were like, you know, wait, there was 142 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: a dog there, Like what was the dog? You know, 143 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: Navy seals use dogs, and so, you know, I had 144 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: just come back from being a trainer on the West 145 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: Coast for the Seal Team canine program out out there, 146 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: and it was just just kind of lined up. I 147 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: was at the right place at the right time. So 148 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: there's certainly you know a number of guys that have, 149 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, far more impressive resumes as it relates to everything, 150 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: that probably have way more business writ in a book 151 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: about that than I do. But but again, I just 152 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: I kind of fell into the right spot. Yeah, so 153 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: you led me into the next part of your intro 154 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: is your unique experience in a canine unit, an elite 155 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: canine unit, and that I've kind of taken a deep 156 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: dive in you these past few days prepared for this podcast. 157 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: And uh, you know a lot about dogs. You have 158 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: a special relationship with dogs. There's a lot of people 159 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: that say they're they're a dog guy. Yeah, but you 160 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: you have dogs that have saved your life that you 161 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: look at as more than a canine, just as is 162 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: highly uh touted as a soldier a fellow man to you. Sure, 163 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: I go through a lot of peanut butter, We'll put 164 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: it that way. Yeah, the uh you know, I mean 165 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: for me, it's uh, yeah, I grew up a dog guy. 166 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: Being in Iowa. You know, if you've spent any time 167 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: other than driving through there, most people know bird dogs 168 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: and duck hunting is huge there, and so you know, 169 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: just kind of having a healthy appreciation for labs and 170 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: just bird dogs and hunting dogs generally speaking. Growing up, 171 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: that that kind of you know, manifested into an interest, uh, 172 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, early on in the early two thousands, excuse me, 173 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: where it was actually on a combat deployment to Iraq 174 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: where there was a marine dog just in the vicinity 175 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: that we were in. It. It wasn't even a dog 176 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: that saved my life or any of my teammates' lives, 177 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: but we had been in the same scenario that this 178 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: marine outfit had been in, you know, countless times and 179 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: never had a dog with us, and this dog indicated 180 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: on an explosive cachet or booby trap rather, And for me, 181 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: that was the kind of the light switch or you know, 182 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: when my brain kind of clicked on of having an 183 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: enormous interest and passion for working dogs. Up until that point, 184 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 1: I'd done a fair bit of you know, breeding and 185 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: hunting with dogs in a host of different capacities and 186 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: had a pretty significant amount of dog knowledge from an 187 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: animal husbandry standpoint, but not so much on the training side. 188 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: And so that that kind of was the catalyst to dive, 189 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: to dive rather really deep into the training component. And 190 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: that was you know, in early O three at the 191 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: start of the war, and then so from then up 192 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: until you know, as I sit here now, it's it's 193 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: just been something that you know, I've I've kind of 194 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: lived and and uh and have never really looked back. 195 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: But I was kind of thinking you might have you 196 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: might bring a dog today. If it was the wintertime, 197 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: I for sure would. Okay, yeah, yeah, probably maybe a 198 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: bite suit too, would get you. Get you in a 199 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: bite suit and do some do some of that. I'm 200 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: sure your fans would love that. So you have some 201 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: major injuries from bites. I do, Uh, well, I guess 202 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say major. I mean I've had I've had 203 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: my wrist broken, and I've had uh, you know, God 204 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: knows how many times where I've been bit and you know, 205 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: filaid open. But in terms of you know, life altering injuries, nothing, 206 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: I will say that. You know from doing bite work 207 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: a lot, you know, being in the suit and where 208 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: they're biting your elbows and forearms and and the you 209 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: know inside your bicep and you know the nerves and 210 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: tendons that that are in there that get you know, 211 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: bit over and over and over over time. For sure, 212 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: like my hands are numb most of the time, that 213 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: they don't work that well in the morning for for 214 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: a while. It's it's absolutely taken its toll physically on me. 215 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's no two ways about. It's just 216 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: that amount of bite pressure on any appendage over and over. 217 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like a boxer or a football 218 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: player or you know, a catcher squatting, you know, banging 219 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: his knees up me. It's the same kind of thing. 220 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: It just it just runs you over after a while. So, 221 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: but the thing with getting bit is is an interesting 222 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: thing because it's not really a natural component to life, right, 223 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: is that most people, you know, most people are actually 224 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: pretty physically capable of defeating a dog, but have no 225 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: idea how to do it. Their mentality is such that 226 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: when it's happening, they panic. It's it's very similar to 227 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: people that can't swim very well and they're in the water. 228 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: That that panic mentality is usually what takes place with 229 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: with human beings when a dog is trying to attack them, 230 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: and so you're not thinking straight, you're emotional you're panicky, 231 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: there's adrenaline, and you do a lot of the wrong things, 232 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: and so, you know, getting to a point where you're 233 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: comfortable being bit, you know, plays a huge role in 234 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: being a good, good dog trainer from the decoy side. 235 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: But when you are in that frame of mind, staying 236 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: calm and thinking your way through everything and getting to 237 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: the point where you're minimizing damage and neutralizing the dog, 238 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: and that's what you're thinking about, not how bad it 239 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: hurts or the holy shit, there's a dog biting me 240 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: or whatever. So obviously there's a huge difference between training 241 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: and having a padded suit on where they can't you know, 242 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: hurt you nearly as much versus not having that equipment 243 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: on and being bit. But and your bites were not 244 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: with a suit, Yeah, I mean the ones. There's been 245 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: a couple with equipment on that the dog bit hard 246 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: enough to where it went through the equipment and still 247 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: still opened me up. That's pretty rare. Most dogs don't 248 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: bite that hard. But you know, the equipment is designed 249 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: to keep you from being injured, you still feel it. 250 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: You still get marked and bruised up, and your skin 251 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: gets pinched and broken, blood vessels and things like that, 252 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: But no that like where my wrist was broken, and 253 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: you know a number of other times I've been, you know, 254 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: completely opened up, has been working with a dog. And 255 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: it's always my fault, you know, right at the end 256 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: of the day. It's it's me not reading something right 257 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: or putting you know, you know, trying too much, too 258 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: fast with a dog. I'm not you know, close enough 259 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: with relationship wise. You know, it's usually a combination of 260 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: a few of those things that leads to the dog 261 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: deciding you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna take a 262 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: shot at the title and then you end up getting bit. 263 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: And where do you neutralize a dog? I'm sure that's 264 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: a huge conversation. What what what body part do you 265 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: go after to neutralize a dog? It's actually a great question. 266 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: It's one that not too long ago, Tim Kennedy had 267 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: a run in with a with a neighborhood dog and 268 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was his child or a 269 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: neighborhood kid or whatever, but there was this huge kind 270 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: of going back and forth on what he should have 271 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: done or didn't do or whatever, and I just I 272 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: offered my advice again from somebody who has been in 273 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: that situation more times than most people. And it's really 274 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: not too dissimilar from a human being, right, is that 275 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: if you look at, say the concepts of jiu jitsu, 276 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: you know what's the primary two things that are your goal. 277 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: It's body control and take their air away. You know, 278 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: just like a human being, a dog that gets their 279 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: air cut from them can't fight you, it can't hurt you. 280 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: You know, the only you know, the main difference between 281 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: dogs and humans that way is that the dog's mouth 282 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: is their primary and really only weapon, and it's far 283 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: more devastating than most human beings anything. Right, So you know, 284 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: my recommendation for anybody is if they have a collar, 285 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: you're in business. If they don't, it's harder, you can 286 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: still maintain the same thing. But if they have a collar, 287 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, don't pick a child up because no different 288 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: than if a human being was trying to attack, you 289 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't pick the kid up. And now you're hamstrung. You 290 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: can't defend yourself or the child as well. So you know, 291 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: get the kid behind you, get in front of them, 292 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: close the distance between the child and the dog, and 293 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: now you're grabbing the dog. You want to get body 294 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: control and the dog grab the collar and choke them unconscious. 295 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: You know when people get bit and they start smacking 296 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: the dog or gouge and eyes or grabbing their ears 297 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: or trying to pick him up by their nuts or whatever. 298 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: You know, for a tough dog that's dedicated, those things 299 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: are only going to make him angrier and probably more 300 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: dedicated to hurt you or whoever he's trying to attack. So, 301 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: if the dog doesn't have a collar on the same 302 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: thing is that I want to get body control, and 303 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: by body control I put to you know, grab the 304 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: dog if he doesn't have a collar, grab his skin 305 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: with both hands, pull him in to you and straddle 306 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: his back hips and then at that point pick him 307 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: up by his tail if he has a docktail, pick 308 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: him up by his back legs right at his stifles, 309 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: and lift his back end up off the ground again 310 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: if he doesn't have a collar. If he has the collar, 311 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: choke him out. If he doesn't get control of his 312 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: back end lifted up off the ground, is it that 313 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: way at a minimum, he can't get back to you. Sure. 314 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: The hard part with that is if the dog is 315 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: dedicated and has a hard mouth and is trying to 316 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: hurt you and and accomplishes that is it. Again, most 317 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: people they get bit, they pan and things of that nature. 318 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: So it's a lot easier said than done. You've got 319 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: to keep a cool head and if you do get bit, 320 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: don't let that deter you. Stay dedicated to that process 321 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: and you're you're you're only going to be able to 322 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: maximize your percentage chance for taking as little damage as possible. 323 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: You know, that's that should always be the goal. That 324 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: sequence isn't a guarantee that you're not going to get 325 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: bit or injured. It's that's your best bet to to 326 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: stay out of the dog's mouth as much as possible. 327 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: Because what I can tell you from experience, whether it's 328 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: a nasty hunting dog that you know, there's there's farm 329 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: dogs around here. I'm sure that that are man eaters 330 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: that would give people a run for the money, that 331 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: could probably take people's lives. When you have a dog 332 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: that's in that, you know, whether it's incited by prey 333 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: drive or it's you know, it's just a naturally truly 334 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: forwardly aggressive animal, you know that dog is pretty hard 335 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: to deal with, you know, and if you don't have 336 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: the ability to do that they're going to get the 337 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: best of you, so it is important to keep a 338 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: cool head and and and realize that, you know, the 339 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: gimmicky tricks of well, I'll just you know, I'll shove 340 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: my forearm into into his mouth harder, or I'll stick 341 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: my hand down his throat. It's it's kind of akin 342 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: to saying, you know, I'm gonna grab that that chainsaw 343 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: and stop it from moving right, you know, it really is. 344 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: I mean, they bite hard enough to break bone, you know. 345 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: And I'll show you some some pictures of some live 346 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: bites after this. We won't post for you guys, unfortunately, 347 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: but you know it's it's legitimate, like life altering damage. 348 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: When you have a dedicated dog that's, you know, hell 349 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: bent on hurting you and gets a hold of you, 350 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty rough. I thought I had it bad 351 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: with a mean rooster at hold will get you, you know. 352 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: So that's what I was gonna ask. If you've ever 353 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: seen a bad guy successfully cutralize a dog. Oh, absolutely, 354 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: it does happen. I mean a gun. Yeah absolutely. I 355 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: would say that it's it's rare, it's excruciatingly rare, but 356 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: it does happen. You know, the dogs are are not invincible. 357 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: Usually when it happens is you know, somebody who is 358 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: physically very capable and is usually on something. You know, 359 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: they don't feel any pain. Their their state of minor 360 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: mentality is completely whacked out for most people that aren't 361 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: used to being bit, you know, and can't keep that 362 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: level head when they do, that's all they think about, 363 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, it's mind boggling. Sometimes you'll 364 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: see people that you know, a guy that's you know, 365 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: the size of your last guest, you know, or you know, 366 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: some assemblance of that size. You know that that will 367 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: hand six cops their ass, right, you know, in a 368 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: fistfight that can't get control this guy, and then they 369 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: pop out a little sixty pound female mal and on 370 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: the guys like no, you know, and it just lays 371 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: down and says, I'm not messing with the dog. So 372 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: they are a very different, you know, less than lethal 373 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: mechanism for maintaining you know, order and apprehension in criminal scenarios. 374 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: But but you know, just like with human beings or 375 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: even you know, our best special operations soldiers, you know, 376 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: they there are times where where they don't win. It's 377 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: rare you know, overwhelmingly they're they're far more successful. But 378 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there are times where whether it's a 379 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: collar or somebody just has the ability their their hands 380 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: and grip strength is enough to where they grabbed them 381 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: by the throat or you know, can can injure the 382 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: dog enough to you know, to neutralize that. What I 383 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: will say is that whether it's a home invasion scenario, 384 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: a law enforcement and military or whatever, is that even 385 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: in the instances where the dog is defeated one, it 386 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: never happens fast. And even if the subject is you know, 387 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: utilizing a firearm, what it's doing is it's still giving 388 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: you an ability to to now neutralize you know, that 389 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: that person as well. So yeah, there's a lot of 390 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: things he's not paying attention to. You know, all of 391 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: his focus, excuse me, is on the dog. So even 392 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: in you know, overseas scenarios where the guy's armed and 393 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, dumps a bag into the dog and shoots 394 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: and kills them, which again doesn't happen often, but in 395 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: those instances it's still now you've got you know, four, six, eight, 396 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: ten guys who now have the jump on this guy, 397 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: and he's not going to last much longer than that, 398 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: sure makes sense. Have you ever heard of them, say, 399 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: I don't think it'd be as much domestic wise, but 400 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: saying a terrorist in Islamic terrorists, do you have you 401 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: seen him train for dogs? Not really, but I do 402 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: know they like to target them, right for sure? They do. 403 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean no different than you know, say in World 404 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: War Two, where they you know, had to had to 405 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: redo helmets and and different rank and insignia, you know, 406 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: markers and devices on their stuff to not say, hey 407 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: that's that's a captain, let's take him out or whatever. Similarly, yeah, 408 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: they they many times are targeted, you know, more so 409 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: than than than even the human counterparts, because they know 410 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: what they bring to the table. In terms of training. No, 411 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: I've never seen you know, really any any effective countermeasures 412 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: and and you know, honestly there there really isn't, you know, 413 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: other than what they already do. I mean in terms 414 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: of just fighting them the way that they fight us 415 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: and whatever. You know that that's about as good as 416 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: you're going to do. There's not really you know, some 417 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: unique trick or tip that you know that it's going 418 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: to give people the advantage over dogs. And it's why 419 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: they're they're really so so useful, frankly, is that you know, 420 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: if you look at the scope of mankind combating one another, 421 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, in an age where you know, from the 422 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: Stone Age all the way up until present day, we've 423 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: got you know, billions of dollars of equipment, and you know, 424 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: laser guided munitions and night vision and thermal and you know, 425 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: helicopters that do amazing things and and all that kind 426 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: of stuff. You know, the one thing that's still used 427 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: in combat other than human beings are dogs. You know, 428 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: from from day one up until present day. I mean, 429 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, for our own own nation's most elite special 430 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: operations forces, to use dogs out in front of them 431 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: tells you a lot about the efficacy of them and 432 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: how well they work, because soft units don't use things 433 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: that don't work, you know, and so the fact that 434 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: they use dogs is as much as they do and 435 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: have as much success with them as they do, I 436 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: think speak volumes to their efficacy for sure. But that 437 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: is uh, that is so cool man. Uh. Yeah, just 438 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: the fact that, like you said, it's just a it's 439 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: a it goes through history of mankind using canines in warfare. Yeah, 440 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: for all different reasons, whether it's reconnaissance or sniffing out 441 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: bombs or even you know, World War Two that was 442 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: probably the most wide array of of practical applications of them. 443 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean they used them as messengers as you know, 444 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: medic carriers that you know, they moving equipment around. Uh, 445 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, guard dogs, sentry dogs, detector dogs. I mean, unfortunately, 446 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: it's it's uh, I hate even even mentioning it because 447 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: it's it's such a black eye on humanity I think. 448 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: But a lot of Russian and German forces would would 449 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: strap you know, suicide vests onto dogs and send them 450 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: into opposing tanks to knock them off of of their tracks. Mean, 451 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: they would train dogs to you know, to just run 452 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: straight towards the tank and then they'd blow themselves up 453 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: and disabled tank, which is is a horrible thing to imagine, 454 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: but not surprising, but not surprising and given given the 455 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: other atrocities that they committed. But but you know, it 456 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: does speak volumes though to the versatility of dogs, and 457 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: they've just they've been used in so many different capacities 458 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: and still to this day, you know, I mean there's 459 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: insulin resistance dogs and therapy dogs of every magnitude you 460 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: can think of. I mean, they just there's so many, 461 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: uh you know, different elements of our society that they've 462 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: been plugged into that that they've made, you know, life 463 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: changing differences in a very positive way. They're just, you know, 464 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: man's best friend. I think as interstatement, absolutely it would 465 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: be it would be really hard to go through this 466 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: interview and not bring up buds. Yeah, and and uh, 467 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, hopefully we'll have many more interviews and you 468 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: guys comment below if you want to see more. Mike, 469 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: but I want to know I heard that you you know, 470 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 1: he's this kid from Iowa. You read the magazine, Yeah, 471 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: about the Navy Seals. And first of all, where were 472 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: you swimming in Iowa? The first question. Yeah, just in 473 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: a swimming pool, not in any big body of water. 474 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a few lakes and reservoirs and stuff. 475 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: There's not a ton of water in Iowa. But I 476 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: grew up competitively swimming. My dad wrestled in high school 477 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: with Dan Gable, and you know, I was such a 478 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: powerhouse wrestling state for decades. His knees and just entire 479 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: lower body was pretty shot, and so he was doing 480 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: a lot of swimming at the time, while we were 481 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: growing up as kind of a you know, physical fitness rehab, 482 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: you know type of mechanism, and so we just all 483 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: kind of gravitated towards that. And so because of my 484 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: interest in the water and being competitive swimming all growing 485 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: up and you know, being a part of competition sports 486 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: swim clubs and things like that, I had kind of 487 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: a natural inclination towards the Seal teams because they're the 488 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: you know, the premiere maritime special operations unit. So you know, 489 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: spending a lot of time in the swimming pool was 490 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: obviously very different from combat diving and swimming and being 491 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: in the ocean. My first time of actually being out 492 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: in the ocean water was at Buds. You know, we'd 493 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: been to you know, Cocoa Beach, Florida or whatever, and 494 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: I'd been you know an ankle high water as a 495 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: kid or whatever. But yeah, my first time actually being 496 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: out in the ocean was was at seal training, and 497 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: very different experience. There's not a black line to guide 498 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: off of. There's waves hitting me in the face, there's 499 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: a swell and a current that's messing you up on 500 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: the swims and whatever, and so, and I'd never really 501 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: swam with fins either, so you know, for me, it 502 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: was it was a hell of an adjustment to to now, 503 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, swim and open ocean water with fins and 504 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: having to guide, and it was a very different experience. 505 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: It was humbling, frankly, because I was not very good 506 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: at it. As good of a swimmer as I was, 507 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: I was not a very effective combat sidestroke swimmer. Yeah, 508 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: I mean, surprisingly, some guys showed up. I think, you know, 509 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: we had guys that, you know, were Olympic Olympic caliber swimmers. 510 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: I was for sure not that. I mean, I was competitive, 511 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: but not at that level. And so you know, those 512 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: guys showed up and it was a breeze for them. 513 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: Some other guys, you know, could barely swim. But I 514 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: think it's almost one of those things where if you're 515 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: in really good shape and you're competitive and you've got 516 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, strong genetics, you're almost better suited to not 517 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: have all these bad habits of not using fins, and 518 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: you know you can. It's kind of like shooting, if 519 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: you know, teaching somebody who's never really shot, they don't 520 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: have any bad habits as a kid that they picked up, 521 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: so they're they're a little bit easier interesting that way. 522 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: But but yeah, it you know, back to your question. 523 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: It you know, I was not exactly a breeding ground 524 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: for for Navy seals. There's not many of us from there, 525 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: but but you know, it just it kind of seemed 526 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: like like the natural fit for me. So two part question, 527 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: did you think you were ready for buds? And then 528 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: are you uh, sort of to both? You know, yeah, 529 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: I mean I was confident. I you know, I had 530 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: started training for it when I was a sophomore. I 531 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: originally started doing martial arts and this was before M 532 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: m A existed and so it was kind of ahead 533 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: of its time. It was it was a female, a 534 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: female instructor that was was based off of Okinawa and karate. 535 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: Shout out to to Pam Hammers, who was she was 536 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: a stud. I mean she put the fear of of 537 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: everything in me as a high school kid. And she was, 538 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, a five foot three, you know, one hundred 539 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: and twenty pound woman. But but you know, she ran 540 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: this dojo that that was underground, Like it wasn't a commercial. 541 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: It was out of out of her her basement, you know, 542 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: and it was word of mouth. And she had to 543 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: you know, accept you in and it was it was 544 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: pretty hardcore for for its time, and we did you know, 545 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: Filipino stick fighting and French foot fighting and wrestling and 546 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: boxing and some jiu jitsu. It was. It was a 547 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: form of that, guess was probably more like judo, but 548 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: it was just a kind of a nice mix of 549 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: a lot of different things, you know, the way MMA 550 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: is now. And this was before you know, any of that, ever, 551 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: before the UFC even was in existence. But so you know, 552 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: having that as kind of the backdrop with which you know, 553 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: between discipline and you know, having a strong mental capacity 554 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: and you know, using a lot of kind of the 555 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: traditional martial arts philosophies towards working out and training and 556 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: taking things serious and being disciplined and things of that 557 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: nature helped out a lot. She was really hardcore, The 558 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: group was really hardcore, and so using that and then 559 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, still swimming a lot, and I you know, 560 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: started running a lot and really preparing. So I spent 561 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: you know a good portion of my high school years, 562 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: you know, training constantly to go there with that as 563 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: my focus. You know, so when I showed up also 564 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: not really knowing what to expect I was seventeen, you know, 565 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: I turned right after I turned eighteen, I went to 566 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: boot camp and so I was, you know, the youngest 567 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: kid in the class, and you know, it was kind 568 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: of a deer in the headlights a little bit. But 569 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, for me showing up and then taking the 570 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 1: test and seeing you know, out of out of you know, 571 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: quite a few kids that tried, and most of them 572 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: didn't even pass the screening tests, and I passed it 573 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: what felt like relatively easily. Was a pretty big confidence 574 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: boost too. It's not a hard test, but I think 575 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: doing it in succession and the mentality or the mental 576 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: pressure of like, holy shit, I'm in the Navy and 577 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying out, you know, to go to the seal training, 578 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: and you know, it was a lot for young kids 579 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: at that age, and so you know, most guys didn't 580 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: make it. I passed it on the first time, and 581 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: so then when I when I showed up, you know, 582 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: it was humbling. I mean, there's no such thing as 583 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: showing up in good enough shape to make it. I 584 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,719 Speaker 1: mean that's one of the things of seal training that, 585 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: without question, I think is probably the most important thing 586 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 1: for anybody that wants to go is to realize is 587 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: the better shape you're in, Uh, you know, the less 588 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: mental pressure there's gonna be and and you know, the 589 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: less you're gonna have to rely on your mind to 590 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: get you through a lot of training, but without a doubt. 591 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: So that that's that's what I want to go deeper with. Uh, 592 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, reset these cameras, and 593 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: then I want to dig into that go hang on. 594 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: So physically you think you're ready. Mentally you think you're ready. 595 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: You're you're you're swimming a lot, You're you're practicing martial arts, 596 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: probably running. I'm sure you're running a lot. Get physically ready, 597 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: but the mental part that's what gets everybody. Yeah, there's 598 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: a lot of strong guys. There's a lot of good swimmers. 599 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that could run miles and 600 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: miles and miles. But there's got to be and this 601 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: is a way I love talking about this on this 602 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: podcast with elite people like yourself. There's got to be 603 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: a switch in your brain that goes when you're your 604 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: body's at the limit and there's there's all these little 605 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: neurons firing off going uh, nope, now you're gonna you're 606 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: gonna break, You're gonna get sick. You're too cold, you can't, 607 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: this muscle is gonna tear you. You got pneumonia. There's 608 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: all these little neurons fire and saying stop, stop, stop, 609 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: But you have a switch. Did you realize you had 610 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: the switch then? Or was it later in combat or 611 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: was it was it earlier as a kid. When did 612 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: you figure out, Mike has a switch that takes me 613 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: to a new level past my physical capabilities. For sure, 614 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: it was well after. Unquestionably, I didn't join to to 615 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: not do that. I didn't join to quit. My dad 616 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: and both my parents were never like overbearing in terms 617 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: of their expectations, and I think that that was in 618 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: a healthy way. It's part of why I didn't want 619 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: to let them down. It's just because they you know, 620 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: they didn't put unrealistic expectations or you know, super hard 621 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: on me if if I didn't make the grade with 622 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: something or whatever. But to me, it's the realization that 623 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: I've come to years later, and ironically enough, it's from 624 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: working with so many dogs over the years at high levels, 625 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: is that it's genetic. Because I was an instructor also 626 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: my last three three and a half years in the Navy, 627 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: and so being a seal instructor on the other side 628 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: of that curtain is an interesting component to it because 629 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, we've all been through the training and now 630 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: when you're hanging out with the wizard behind the curtain 631 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: and you see a lot of the things that you 632 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: didn't realize took place, you know are both fascinating, but 633 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: they're also very insightful in terms of what you learn 634 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: about yourself from having been through it, and you're, like, 635 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, we did that, you know. I mean, like, 636 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: even as an instructor, putting kids through hell week is exhausting, 637 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: and you're only working an eight hour shift, you know, 638 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: and these kids are doing it for six days straight. 639 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: And so But in terms of the genetic component, I 640 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: truly believe that both in human and dogs, there's such 641 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: a high number of parallels when it comes to performance, 642 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: and that one percenter type of mentality of having a 643 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: basically a complete disregard for for your own life is 644 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: that that that is inherently not genetically normal for any 645 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: living being, right is because you know, our genetic code 646 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: and makeup is such that self preservation and the ability 647 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: to perpetuate our gene pool is our primary focus. Right. 648 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: Survivability of a species is the number one thing that 649 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: all species are are designed to employ, and so just 650 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: having that mentality is genetically not conducive to the survivability 651 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: of a species. So to me, it makes sense that 652 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, when you're looking at human beings or dogs, 653 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: is that that that disregard and saying, you know what, 654 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: even though i know I'm heading into somewhere where you 655 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: know there's a high probability I'm going to lose my life, 656 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to fucking do it anyway. Is that that 657 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: isn't normal, and it can't be normal for human beings 658 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: to survive and continue to exist. And so as much 659 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: as I'd love to say that you know, I'm a 660 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: tough guy, I'm not. I mean to me, the guys 661 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: and the dogs that make it through that training and 662 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: have that that disregard for their own safety is just 663 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: a genetic mutation, frankly, and I do believe it's an 664 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: abnormality or a mutation in this case in a good 665 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: way sort of you know, in that if you don't 666 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: have that, you're not going to be able to do that, 667 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: and most people don't have that, which is why most 668 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: people don't make it through training with dogs. It's the 669 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: same thing most dogs, you know, when you get in 670 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 1: their mind and I pick a fight with them and 671 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: I make them understand that I'm here to snatch their soul, 672 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: most of them say, you know what, I'm not doing 673 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: this anymore, and they pack sand and they and they quit. 674 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: The ones that don't are incredibly rare. And even when 675 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: you're breeding for that, I mean the luxuries I've had 676 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: as a dog trainer and breeder, and you know, fancier 677 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 1: of different working breeds as being able to selectively breed 678 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: unlike human beings. And so even when you take you know, 679 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: a male and a female that have that trait at 680 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: a very high level, they're offspring, most of them don't 681 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: have it. You know, even when you're doing it generation 682 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: after generation and you're playing god and being able to 683 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: pick you know, the genetic combinations properly, it's still a 684 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: very elusive trade in something that's really hard to replicate. 685 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: Not the answer I was expecting, very convincing, and I'm 686 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: pretty sure I believe you because you're very convincing, But 687 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: to be a one percenter on this earth. You got 688 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: to be born with it. I think that's that's your argument. 689 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: What if there's someone out there that goes, how do 690 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: I mentally train myself to become a one percenter? And 691 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: is your answer? You can't. You got to be born 692 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: with it. Yeah. I mean to me, you're you're not 693 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: a very good motivational speaker to a big craft. Well yeah, 694 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: I mean tough shot right, like, but that's not what 695 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: you're known for anyway. No, I mean, no for sugar coating. Well, 696 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,720 Speaker 1: I mean to me, if motivational speakers worked, there wouldn't 697 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: be of them, true, if in a million books. Yeah, 698 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: I mean like if if Tony Robbins, you know, if 699 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: one of his seminars worked, those people wouldn't ever need 700 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: to come back and they would be able to go 701 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: teach everybody else, you know. So yeah, I mean I 702 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: truly think is it like with dogs? You know there's 703 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: so many parallels between humans and dogs. Is that you 704 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 1: know most people with dog training, is that it takes 705 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: that same kind of level of dedication to truly have 706 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: a trained dog. I mean, yes, some people get lucky 707 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: with that that unicorn that doesn't really need to be 708 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: trained and just picks things up and as a dream 709 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: dog and whatever. But those are outliers most people, just 710 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: like with working out or getting a black belt in 711 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu or being a great chef, you know, is 712 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: that there there are elements to that that just require 713 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: a lot of repetition and dedication. And unfortunately, human beings 714 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: aren't typically that dedicated. You know, if you look at 715 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: the mass population, there's more lazy people than there are 716 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: not uh, you know, And I would pose kind of 717 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 1: the same question to you being in the entertainment industry. 718 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 1: You know, there are people American idol I think teaches 719 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 1: us a good lesson in humility that way, and that 720 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's some people that work their entire childhood 721 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: and their parents get them the lessons and that you know, 722 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: that's what they want to do, and they work their 723 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: ass off and they get the training or whatever, and 724 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: they still just absolutely suck. Yeah, you know, right. So 725 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, to me, it's it's the same is that 726 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: because to me, people talk about motivation, and you know, 727 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: motivation peters out and everybody, you know, and that's where 728 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: discipline comes in, right, And and so where discipline comes 729 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: in is that's you making the concerted, conscious decision to say, 730 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: you know what, this sucks, I don't want to do it, 731 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: but I'm going to do it anyway. To me, While 732 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, on the surface that may seem like a choice, 733 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: I truly believe that that that the you you and 734 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,240 Speaker 1: having the ability to make yourself do things that suck 735 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: is genetic, you know, because most people can't do it. 736 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: And again, the motivational speaker thing, if if you could 737 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: motivate and convince somebody to put themselves through that, there'd 738 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: be way more seals, entertainers, black belts in jiu jitsu, 739 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,760 Speaker 1: successful entrepreneurs. Everything is that you know that that small 740 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: fraction of the percentage of the population that truly says 741 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: there is no plan B, there's no safety net. I'm 742 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: gonna do what I set out to do, Come hell 743 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: or high water, You're gonna have to kill me, you 744 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,919 Speaker 1: know to stop me. Is that there's just not many 745 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: people that truly have that when it starts to suck, 746 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 1: I can't argue, man, you're right, and uh yeah, it's 747 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: in the in the music business as well. You know 748 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 1: a lot of people will ask where does it take 749 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: and can do they have what it takes, and the 750 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: true answer is I usually know off the bat you don't. Yeah, 751 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: and sometimes they do. Yeah, But but are you willing 752 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: to do what no one else is? And that's not 753 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: that's not a matter of work ethic. Really, it's not 754 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: a matter if well, I'll just stay up all night 755 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: and work that that doesn't wait to doing what no 756 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: one else will ever do consistently. And yeah, maybe maybe 757 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,439 Speaker 1: you're just born with it. I cannot argue with that. Yeah, 758 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: I mean again, you know, having seen so many people, 759 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, give you the lip service of no. I know, 760 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, and again as an instructor, I saw it 761 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: time and time again, you know, with an eighty five 762 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,479 Speaker 1: percent attrition rate. You know, you see these kids who 763 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: for years have been training for something finally are given 764 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 1: the shot. They come and in the first few days 765 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: ring the bell and quit. And the first thing that 766 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: they say, five minutes after they could, well, I'm coming back, motherfucker, 767 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: you could still be here. How does that happen? I 768 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: always wonder that, how do you do that? Yeah? It 769 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: happens every class. Yeah, I mean, so it's just why 770 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: do you do that? Again? I think it's you know, 771 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 1: it's a it's a mental lack of capacity. But why 772 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: do they even go through that? How have they how 773 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: have they not learned that they're not capable of that 774 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: before they start? Yeah, I mean, you know, that's something 775 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: I can't answer. You know, I really I don't understand it. 776 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 1: I've never understood it. I've tried, and you know, I've 777 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: talked to you know a number of kids who you know, 778 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: and that's not a decision that it's it's like deciding 779 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: to not play baseball this year. I mean, that's a 780 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,439 Speaker 1: life altering decision that you are going to regret for 781 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: the rest of your life, rest assured the rest of 782 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: your life. Well, and you know, above and beyond that 783 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: is that you know when you go from there like 784 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: it's not well, let's kick you back in training and 785 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: give you another shot, Like you're going to go to 786 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: the fleet and chip paint for four years, you know, 787 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 1: and and live on a on a prison ship basically, 788 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: you know, being the lowest of the low. You know, 789 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: you're an undesignated seaman, which you know how many jokes 790 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 1: can multiple meetings, but yes, you go to the fleet 791 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: and you're and you're basically a worker bee, you know, 792 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: for several years. Most of the guys you know, and 793 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: so uh, you know, that's a pretty miserable existence and 794 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 1: they know that going in. I mean, I think that 795 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: the seal teams are are a unique bunch in that, 796 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,919 Speaker 1: you know, unlike the Army or the Marines or Air 797 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: Force or whatever, is that if you don't make it 798 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: in their special operations co versus, you generally go do 799 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: things that are are somewhat similar. You know, maybe you're 800 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: an infantry if you didn't make it through rangers or 801 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: you know, Green Breay Q Course or whatever, well then 802 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: you're you know, you're in an infantry unit or an 803 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 1: armored division unit or something like that, and you're still 804 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: going into combat and doing a lot of the same things, 805 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 1: maybe just not at the higher level. Marine same thing. Like, 806 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: you know, you're going to be an infantry if if 807 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: you if you don't make it in the Navy, like 808 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: your life is going to be vastly different. You know, 809 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: you're going to be wearing you know, hayes gray dungarees 810 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,720 Speaker 1: and you're out, you know, swabbing decks and cleaning issues 811 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: and floating around, you know, the world miserable for several years. 812 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: And so you're you know to know that, and it's 813 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: not like that's a secret. I mean, they know that 814 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: that is their fate if they if they quit. And 815 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: I think what it always boils down to is mental pressure, 816 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, whether whether that's manifested through environmental environmental conditions 817 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: like cold water, or stress and mental pressure from the 818 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,839 Speaker 1: from the staff, or the anticipation of what's next, or 819 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, watching the sun go down and and knowing 820 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,359 Speaker 1: it's it's about to get real miserable cold and you're 821 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: going to be laying in the water, and you know, 822 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: there's there's a million mind games that the staff plays, 823 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: you know, with with the students to test them over 824 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: and over and over. And it's not uncommon to see, 825 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: you know, that one of the cadre, whoever's leading an 826 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: exercise or an evolution, say okay, you know, pick your 827 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: boats back up. We're going to run down to somewhere 828 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,439 Speaker 1: that's six miles away. And they start running and guys 829 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: quit and then they put the boats down and turn 830 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: around and come back. They weren't even going to go 831 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,399 Speaker 1: down there. They just made it seem like, wow, they 832 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 1: were going to do that. And that happens all the time, 833 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, doing a big loop on a 834 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 1: on a run where you pass where you were supposed 835 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: to turn in and stop and yep, all right, we're 836 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: going to do it again. You know, you're like Jesus, 837 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: that was four miles. We've got to do that again. 838 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: And they only go for two or three hundred yards 839 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: and they see guys quit and in that little amount 840 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: of time of knowing, Christ, we've got to go do 841 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: that same four mile run again. But then they don't 842 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: even do it, or you know, having guys march out 843 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: into the water and then lay down in it, you know, 844 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: and do surf torture and do that. You know, they 845 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: go out into the water, they come back, they go out, 846 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: they come back, and you'll get guys quitting on the 847 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: way back out there all the time. And then that 848 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: ends up the group didn't even go back out there. 849 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: They just pretended to send them back out there. So 850 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, I mean to me, it's just it ultimately 851 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: always boils down to mental toughness. And again I think, 852 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, we're disciplined, and mental tough toughness kind of 853 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: crisscrosses is in that genetic arena of you know, it's 854 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: either there or it isn't so which one can you 855 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,839 Speaker 1: cultivate mental toughness or discipline? I think you can. You 856 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: can teach people to be disciplined to a certain point. 857 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 1: But what I've learned again and Dogs, is that you know, 858 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: genetics are are the thermometer if you will, you know, 859 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: it is the bar at which you are always going 860 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: to be limited by. Right. So take Muhammad Ali. You know, 861 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: why do we know his name. It's not because he 862 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 1: had a great coach and worked hard and you know, 863 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,719 Speaker 1: started early. It's because he had the genetics to when 864 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: he applied those things allowed him to get to a 865 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: level that is world class. And so I think that 866 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: again and Dogs in with people, it's the exact same thing. 867 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: Is that you could use entertainment or sports in any 868 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: sports as another you know, kind of gateway to that 869 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: is that if you have the genetics and you put 870 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: the time in and have great coaches and start early, 871 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: and do all of the things that that are required 872 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,879 Speaker 1: to get to that world class level, you'll get there. 873 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,239 Speaker 1: If you don't have the genetics, all of that and 874 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: and every you know sports camp, you know summer camp, 875 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: and you know three week spring spring break training seminar 876 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: with Peyton Manning. It's not going to turn you into 877 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: that if if the genetics just aren't there to support it. 878 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: So so you're saying David Goggins, who I don't know. 879 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: Maybe you know David, I actually don't, and I've never 880 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: met I don't think I've ever even met him. You're 881 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: saying all the squawking he does on social media about 882 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,439 Speaker 1: people need to get hard and tough en up, he's 883 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,439 Speaker 1: just speaking to nobody. Because the less well you're born 884 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: with it, you're not going to be reformed by somebody 885 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: like that. I would say largely, yes. Are there some 886 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: people that, without a doubt, guys like JOCKO or Dave 887 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: Goggins or Tony Robbins or any of the people that 888 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,319 Speaker 1: you know, use a lot of that you know, mentality 889 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: and kind of you know, almost soapbox preach to people 890 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,840 Speaker 1: that way. Are they positively impacting people's lives? Yeah? I 891 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: think they are, sure, And I think that there's some 892 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: people that they they actually probably make a significant difference. 893 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 1: And are they turning zeros into heroes? No? Again, if 894 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: they were, there'd be a fuck ton more heroes out there, 895 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: you know, But to me, it's it's kind of ignorance 896 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: is bliss in a way, and that I see it 897 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,719 Speaker 1: in dog training. A lot a lot of people will 898 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: sign up for my online online dog training. Not a 899 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: lot of people, but a number of them will sign 900 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 1: up for it and not really use it. You know, 901 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: they'll sign on a couple of times to watch a 902 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: few videos. You know, they do a session here or there. 903 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: It makes them feel better about being a dog own. 904 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,439 Speaker 1: It feels good, feels good to hear Josh go tell 905 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: you to Yeah, get to you know, it makes you 906 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 1: feel good type of sure you're watching it and post it, 907 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, with your nine followers, and and you know, 908 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: and it makes you feel like you're you're you're part 909 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 1: of something, and it gives you purpose and and you know, 910 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm not knocking that to me. It's just if you're 911 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,319 Speaker 1: trying to get to a level of world class, whether 912 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,359 Speaker 1: it's special operations or super high level dog training or 913 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, touring. You know where you're selling out thirty thousand, 914 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 1: you know audience venues, and you know at that level 915 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,320 Speaker 1: you know, or you know you own an eight or 916 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,799 Speaker 1: nine figure business as an entrepreneur and you've built several 917 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,319 Speaker 1: of them, you know, with a lot of these, like 918 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,400 Speaker 1: entrepreneur clinics and stuff. Is that if it was a 919 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: matter of just listening to this guy and trying to 920 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: apply that, then there'd be way more of them in 921 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: every industry, in every walk of life. You know. So 922 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: you're not trying to come up with a self growth 923 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: book anytime? Well, I think I think if I do 924 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 1: this episode, for sure just you know, canceled all the orders. Well, 925 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: and it also I hate to call anybody out here, 926 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: but it also just high highlights the fact that and 927 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 1: if you're writing a personal growth book, you're you're trying 928 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,080 Speaker 1: to make some money. Sure, nothing wrong with that. Yeah, 929 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: you're trying to get some clicks, make some money. But 930 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 1: but but those guys probably know Tony Robins goes to 931 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 1: bed every night and knows exactly what he's doing. He's 932 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,720 Speaker 1: saying all the right things. Sure, are people digesting it? 933 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 1: Probably not? Sometimes, yeah, but probably not. Yeah. I think 934 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, again, most most people are probably somewhere in 935 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 1: the middle where that you know, maybe they pick up 936 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: a couple of things that that for sure improves their 937 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: life in certain ways. You know, it's not me, you know, 938 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,360 Speaker 1: knocking some guys, I mean to me, guys like Tony Robbins. 939 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 1: You know, he probably positively impacts fewer people than jock O, 940 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 1: Dave Gog and things like that. But I'm not just 941 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 1: saying that because they're you know, brethren of mine. I 942 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 1: think they've walked it, you know. To my knowledge, Tony 943 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 1: Robbins's business is built off of his ability to tell 944 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: you that that you know, he can teach you how 945 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: to run a business, right, you know, whereas you know, 946 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 1: these other guys have have proven over and over and over, 947 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, of of walking what they walk. But I 948 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,399 Speaker 1: still think, uh, you know that that that only goes 949 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: as far as as what the person's genetic capabilities are 950 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 1: are willing to allow them to go. It's so true, man, 951 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: It's so true. So me and you similar age. I 952 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: think you said high school ninety six, Yeah, I was 953 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:25,160 Speaker 1: ninety eight. And our generation, which is you know, parents 954 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 1: in the Vietnam era, grandparents World War Two. I always 955 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 1: think that our generation has seen the biggest demasculation for 956 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: sure in our culture. And how do you see that 957 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: playing out? Is there is there going to be a 958 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,959 Speaker 1: wave of masculinity that rises again or does this keep 959 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:51,080 Speaker 1: going till everyone is neutral? Yeah? So to me back 960 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: to you know, my I think mother nature trumps everything. 961 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 1: You know, is that you know that adage and I'll 962 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,879 Speaker 1: probably mess it up, but it's hard times create strong men. 963 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: Strong men create you know, good times. Good times create 964 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 1: week men. Week men create hard times, you know, And 965 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,319 Speaker 1: it's just this cycle that keeps going through. Is that 966 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: if you look at human history at least as well 967 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: as we know it how it's been recorded, which you know, 968 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,719 Speaker 1: who can debate it, that's just what it says. It 969 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that's exactly how it happened. But you know, 970 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,839 Speaker 1: I think we all live in an information age that's 971 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 1: digested enough to understand that that's a pretty true representation 972 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 1: of mankind. And so to me, there is a point 973 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,319 Speaker 1: in every society and every empire and every you know, 974 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,680 Speaker 1: cultural section of the world that that kind of goes 975 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: through that cycle in some way. And so to me, 976 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, the d masculation that we've experienced over the 977 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: last few decades has a shelf life, you know, because 978 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 1: America as a country, I mean, you don't have to 979 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,399 Speaker 1: look very far even now, christ within the last few 980 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,759 Speaker 1: weeks that things can get gnarly pretty quick, and there's 981 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: a lot of other places on the planet that you 982 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,919 Speaker 1: know that have truly brutal dictatorships that you know, I've 983 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,479 Speaker 1: gone and fought against and seeing when when it's true 984 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: evil that's in power and they decide, you know what, 985 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,440 Speaker 1: we're going to stay in power and we're going to 986 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,319 Speaker 1: keep things the way they are. You know that there's 987 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,800 Speaker 1: a there's an element of your society that has to 988 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,280 Speaker 1: rise to a certain occasion. And we can only soften 989 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,920 Speaker 1: ourselves so much for so long before somebody is going 990 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 1: to say, now we're going to own them, and they will, 991 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 1: whether it's China, Russia, a combination of several other countries. 992 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,600 Speaker 1: Who knows that it could be a complete self destruction 993 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,799 Speaker 1: within our own way of life looking at the way 994 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,840 Speaker 1: things have been going. Uh, you know, but again, the 995 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,720 Speaker 1: rest of the world and human beings are opportunists, opportunistic 996 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,399 Speaker 1: in nature. You know, a lot of you know, other 997 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: nations are very vulture like in the way that they 998 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,319 Speaker 1: view things and are just waiting for the right opportunity 999 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,080 Speaker 1: to say, you know, we're going to take everything that 1000 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: we want from there. And people that are so naive 1001 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 1: and head in the sand to think that that can't 1002 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,320 Speaker 1: happen like it's happening all over the world. It always 1003 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,759 Speaker 1: has and it always will. You know, violence and you know, 1004 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: physical altercation is truly the gold standard. At at some 1005 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: point it will come to that. It's coming to that. 1006 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,600 Speaker 1: You see it in Seattle as an example. You know this, 1007 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 1: you know Chas and now Chop and whatever. Is that 1008 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: the fact that we have a society where the police 1009 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: is saying, yeah, we're just not going to do anything 1010 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: about that. I mean, that's that's kind of the start 1011 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,640 Speaker 1: of the dominoes falling, in my opinion, and that if 1012 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: a society is willing to just let people take the 1013 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: country over that way, Like, look what's happened there, that's 1014 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 1: a microcosm of what the entire country will be if 1015 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,839 Speaker 1: it continues to go down the road that it's been 1016 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 1: going down. Is that a group of people is going 1017 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 1: to realize we can do whatever we want, you know, 1018 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 1: and then they're going to go do whatever they want 1019 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 1: and now you're you know, all of your rights and 1020 00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 1: don't say this word and stop bowling. All that ship 1021 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,080 Speaker 1: is going to go right out the window, and you're 1022 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,319 Speaker 1: gonna have groups of people doing exactly what they're doing 1023 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,839 Speaker 1: in Chop, which is killing each other and running a 1024 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,440 Speaker 1: brutal dictatorship and having you know, guns and walls and 1025 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,239 Speaker 1: you know their own secret uh, you know police or 1026 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 1: enforcers that are running around, you know, doing what they want, 1027 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,359 Speaker 1: and it'll turn into you know, a brutal regime type 1028 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: of environment if nobody decides, you know what, we can't 1029 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,359 Speaker 1: let this go on any longer. That's that's unfortunately we're 1030 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,279 Speaker 1: going down. So good man, so good. And you have 1031 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: probably had the gift. You don't look at it as 1032 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: a gift. You didn't then, but I'm assuming you have 1033 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: looked in the eyes of someone that's that told you 1034 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 1: through the eyes, I want to own you without you, 1035 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,000 Speaker 1: without it, and most people haven't. Most people haven't seen 1036 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,279 Speaker 1: that staring them back in the face. Absolutely, And I 1037 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,080 Speaker 1: wonder if that would change people's opinions. Yeah, if they 1038 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,919 Speaker 1: had that, that that gift that you've had. I think 1039 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 1: that by itself, without the context of the greater gravity 1040 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: or you know, heaviness of what's going on around you, 1041 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,920 Speaker 1: I don't think would, but for sure it would, it 1042 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,759 Speaker 1: would help, It would prove beneficial. But I think, you know, 1043 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: until you've seen I think the real brutal violence and 1044 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,920 Speaker 1: anger that exists in some people towards you, irrespective of 1045 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,040 Speaker 1: what you try to convince them otherwise, or if you're 1046 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,360 Speaker 1: willing to negotiate or give ground, compromise, whatever is that, 1047 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,239 Speaker 1: there are certain people that there is nothing you can 1048 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: do or say that's going to change their mind that 1049 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: they want to, you know, remove your life and existence 1050 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,799 Speaker 1: from the planet, whether it's you as an individual, you 1051 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,160 Speaker 1: as a as a society, as a nation, as a state, 1052 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,759 Speaker 1: whatever you know, and until you've seen that, it's impossible 1053 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,480 Speaker 1: to realize it. And it's also unfair and unrealistic for 1054 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,160 Speaker 1: those that have experienced that to expect people to understand 1055 00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,239 Speaker 1: what that's like, because they're just not going to no 1056 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,319 Speaker 1: different than you know, a child that's never been out 1057 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,840 Speaker 1: of Iowa, you know, that spent his entire life in 1058 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,799 Speaker 1: a in a small podunk town in Iowa, and it's 1059 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,800 Speaker 1: like trying to expect him to understand what being street 1060 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,040 Speaker 1: smart in Harlem is like, Like, he's just not going 1061 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,560 Speaker 1: to know. And if he goes there, he's he's going 1062 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 1: to get he's going to get owned because he just 1063 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,719 Speaker 1: doesn't know any better, you know, And unfortunately we've been 1064 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 1: riding off of the coattails of the greatest generation in 1065 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,000 Speaker 1: World War Two, and they did, you know, springboarding off 1066 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,399 Speaker 1: of the great Depression, surviving that overcoming World War Two. 1067 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: And then you know that that shelf life of success 1068 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 1: is starting to expire from from what I see. And 1069 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,799 Speaker 1: you can only ride the wave of a generation who's 1070 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,799 Speaker 1: willing to walk the walk for so long before you've 1071 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,640 Speaker 1: got to answer that that call to and and you 1072 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,719 Speaker 1: know there still are people that do it, but there's 1073 00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,799 Speaker 1: not enough. There's people they're willing to just lay it, 1074 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,399 Speaker 1: lay it down. I I one a preference. I don't 1075 00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:01,200 Speaker 1: even want to come close to match anything you've ever done. 1076 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,880 Speaker 1: But the tiny, tiny, minuscule story I could tell you 1077 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,000 Speaker 1: is that, you know, one of our entertainment towards in Iraq, 1078 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,479 Speaker 1: we were playing a concert and suddenly in the middle 1079 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,680 Speaker 1: of the concert, there was incoming because as we heard 1080 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,560 Speaker 1: the music cued some bad guys and as we as 1081 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,400 Speaker 1: we got into the bunker, I thought, for the first 1082 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,520 Speaker 1: time ever, I thought, somebody's trying to kill me because 1083 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,359 Speaker 1: they hate me because of who I am, because of 1084 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,800 Speaker 1: my culture, and that I dwelled on that thought. That 1085 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,279 Speaker 1: was the weirdest feeling to know that someone hates you 1086 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,560 Speaker 1: and they've never even met you. Yeah. Well, and to me, 1087 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,600 Speaker 1: that that kind of I think exemplifies you know, that 1088 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,799 Speaker 1: context that I was talking about is that it's one 1089 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: thing for somebody to look at you and you can tell, 1090 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,800 Speaker 1: especially if you know all of the other information surrounding 1091 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,800 Speaker 1: supports the fact that they're actively trying to take your life. 1092 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 1: But that that changes everybody, you know, for sure. I 1093 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,160 Speaker 1: was very different from the first time I went overseas 1094 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,719 Speaker 1: and faced you know, other human beings that you know, 1095 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: and being in a in an area where you know 1096 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,439 Speaker 1: the majority of the population is actively trying to take 1097 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,880 Speaker 1: your life. When you're in that environment and you know 1098 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 1: bullets are flying by your head and you're in a 1099 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,439 Speaker 1: helicopter that almost gets shot down, and you know you're 1100 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,400 Speaker 1: going through areas that you get ambushed and somehow make 1101 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,040 Speaker 1: it out alive at one hundred percent, changes that the 1102 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 1: same way it did to you And to me. You 1103 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,200 Speaker 1: don't have to be a professional soldier or a combat 1104 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,840 Speaker 1: veteran to experience that. I mean, people experience it on 1105 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,800 Speaker 1: the street. You know. Obviously it's it's different circumstances, but 1106 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,120 Speaker 1: that principle is the exact same you know, once you've 1107 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,160 Speaker 1: seen that, it it changes people for sure. We've talked 1108 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,720 Speaker 1: another thirty minutes. Can take a quick break, be right back. 1109 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 1: Our granddads were both cooks in the navy in World 1110 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,800 Speaker 1: War Two, no doubt. And that's and I heard you 1111 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,800 Speaker 1: say that, and then you you also said the same thing. 1112 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,000 Speaker 1: I thought that a cook is not what you think 1113 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,160 Speaker 1: it was when you're on a ship and uh in 1114 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,840 Speaker 1: World War two, because my granddad told me stories of 1115 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,840 Speaker 1: he was in the Pacific. I believe your your granddad 1116 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: was on the other side and in the Mediterranean. And 1117 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,040 Speaker 1: my granddad had told me stories of kamon causes coming 1118 00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 1: in and taking out the gunner. So he's now he's in. 1119 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,200 Speaker 1: Now he's sitting in the turret, you know. And it's 1120 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 1: it's a You're right when you said it's the greatest generation. 1121 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,400 Speaker 1: And they did what they did because they had they 1122 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,120 Speaker 1: had no other choice. Yeah, you know, to me, it's 1123 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,200 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I was listening to your last guest. You 1124 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,680 Speaker 1: guys talking about you know, not having a plan B. 1125 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,680 Speaker 1: That's where we were as an entire society, you know 1126 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 1: at that point, is that is there there wasn't a 1127 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,680 Speaker 1: well if we don't do this. It's no, we have 1128 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,760 Speaker 1: to go do this or or the world will cease 1129 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,280 Speaker 1: to exist as we know it. You know that literally 1130 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,680 Speaker 1: you hear existential threat gets thrown around, you know, constantly 1131 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,600 Speaker 1: nowadays and overused. But but it truly was that back then. 1132 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,640 Speaker 1: And you know, to me, what's interesting is the entire nation, 1133 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: you know, banded together and everybody you know, had had 1134 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,680 Speaker 1: that collective mentality of you know, we're all going to 1135 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,120 Speaker 1: do what we can to the best of our ability 1136 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,000 Speaker 1: to support you know, the mission, and the mission was 1137 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,960 Speaker 1: to was to go defeat Japan and Germany, you know, 1138 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,120 Speaker 1: or the access powers at least, and you know, for 1139 00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 1: for them to be able to accomplish that and go 1140 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,920 Speaker 1: over there, you know, we even though you know, combat 1141 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,920 Speaker 1: deployments are they're tough, they're stressful in their own right. 1142 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit of apples to oranges to 1143 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,080 Speaker 1: compare you know, wars in Afghanistan and interact compared to 1144 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,400 Speaker 1: World War Two. However, you know, we at least get 1145 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,480 Speaker 1: a rotational break, right. Granted, some guys are going for 1146 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,640 Speaker 1: thirteen fifteen months at a stretch, but they still get 1147 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,160 Speaker 1: to come home. I mean, some of those guys went 1148 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,600 Speaker 1: over there for four years straight, right, you know, and 1149 00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,120 Speaker 1: there wasn't satellite phones, there wasn't internet that you know, 1150 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,880 Speaker 1: they got a handwritten letter out you know once in 1151 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,440 Speaker 1: a great while, or got something when they could or whatever. 1152 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,360 Speaker 1: But you know, they basically went over there saying we'll 1153 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,840 Speaker 1: come home when the job is done, you know. And 1154 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,920 Speaker 1: that's hard to even wrap your mind around, but I 1155 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,080 Speaker 1: think very similar to the mentality that you guys are 1156 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,680 Speaker 1: talking about. Without that mentality, you're you're not going to 1157 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,560 Speaker 1: be successful. You know if if you go over there 1158 01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,160 Speaker 1: and you know you can retreat. I mean it's the 1159 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,000 Speaker 1: Viking adage of burn your boats, right, yeah, is that 1160 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, when you get over there, you know us 1161 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,000 Speaker 1: us sailing back home isn't an option. So we're going 1162 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,320 Speaker 1: to take over your entire entire country. Is is kind 1163 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:33,960 Speaker 1: of how you have to look at it that way. 1164 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,840 Speaker 1: And you know, there was I think a certain innocence 1165 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,320 Speaker 1: in naivete that existed between and some could argue that 1166 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,120 Speaker 1: whether or not it's good or bad, but of kind 1167 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,800 Speaker 1: of state run media doing maybe a little better job 1168 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:53,040 Speaker 1: of protecting the country from some of the you know, 1169 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,640 Speaker 1: the the realistic truths of combat and you know, crossing 1170 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,440 Speaker 1: over into into Vietnam, where I think America really kind 1171 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,560 Speaker 1: of lost its its innocence as it relates to its 1172 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,439 Speaker 1: understanding of what war is really like. You know, again, 1173 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,040 Speaker 1: you could argue whether it's good and bad. I think 1174 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,200 Speaker 1: there's there's pros and cons to both. But but back 1175 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,280 Speaker 1: then when there was there was still kind of that 1176 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:16,920 Speaker 1: you know, hey, this is this is what we have 1177 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,800 Speaker 1: to do, and everybody was behind it, and it seemed like, 1178 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,160 Speaker 1: again neither of us were around then, but it seemed 1179 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,240 Speaker 1: like much simpler times back then, where it's a lot 1180 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,720 Speaker 1: easier to just unite everybody and right, you know, there's 1181 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 1: a common enemy and there wasn't all this division and 1182 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,080 Speaker 1: infighting and and you know, now I feel like, you know, 1183 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,800 Speaker 1: we're getting ready to repeat the Civil War almost, you know, 1184 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,240 Speaker 1: and that there there's you know a lot of debate. 1185 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,920 Speaker 1: And one of the questions you hear, you know, in 1186 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,400 Speaker 1: reference to World War two is, you know, in terms 1187 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,400 Speaker 1: of Nazism, is how did that happen? You know, most 1188 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,000 Speaker 1: people like, how could a country have ever, you know, 1189 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,120 Speaker 1: gotten to a point where they're willing to do that 1190 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,919 Speaker 1: to another group of people? And I see a lot 1191 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:02,360 Speaker 1: of scary and stark parallels to to what you know 1192 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,400 Speaker 1: happened back then versus what happens now, and that you've 1193 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,440 Speaker 1: got a significant portion of our population that that is okay, 1194 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, with with the opposing side being brutalized and 1195 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:18,600 Speaker 1: even celebrating it, you know, because they disagree with them politically, 1196 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,240 Speaker 1: And to me, that's that's poisonous. It's dangerous, yeah, you know, 1197 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,040 Speaker 1: and you get to the point where where you you 1198 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,920 Speaker 1: lack empathy for for people that oppose you politically, to 1199 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,400 Speaker 1: the point where where you're okay with their rights being 1200 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,760 Speaker 1: taken away, with them being you know, attacked on the 1201 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,680 Speaker 1: street because they, you know, are wearing shirts or hats 1202 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,280 Speaker 1: of of whatever their their political party is. And to me, like, 1203 01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,640 Speaker 1: that's a slippery slope if I've ever seen one, and 1204 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,320 Speaker 1: that you know that that's not not too many steps further. 1205 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 1: And now you've got internment camps and concentration camps and 1206 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 1: and things like that. I just I worry that that 1207 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,840 Speaker 1: we've kind of numbed ourselves to to a side of 1208 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,840 Speaker 1: empathy that human beings should should have more than they do. 1209 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:05,200 Speaker 1: It's a valid worry. My other granddad was in Europe. 1210 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 1: He was flying a B twenty four out of Italy, 1211 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,640 Speaker 1: and so I read his flight diary, ever, read every 1212 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:15,160 Speaker 1: every mission many times. And unfortunately, after he died, it 1213 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,800 Speaker 1: was the first time I really dove into that. I 1214 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,800 Speaker 1: never talked about it when he was around. Uh, but 1215 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,560 Speaker 1: but those missions he was so scared, you know, if 1216 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,840 Speaker 1: he's going into the oil fields in the Ploeesi or 1217 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:31,440 Speaker 1: or or you know, hidding Munich, and he had fighters 1218 01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,640 Speaker 1: and and and U it was. It was terrible. But 1219 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,640 Speaker 1: as scared as he was to go back up again 1220 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:43,000 Speaker 1: on another mission, there wasn't a maybe I'm gonna call 1221 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,640 Speaker 1: him sick today. There wasn't another option. And and sometimes 1222 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,720 Speaker 1: he just did it because he had to. That was 1223 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,479 Speaker 1: all he could do for him and his guys. And 1224 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,120 Speaker 1: and the other thing was every once in all he 1225 01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:57,200 Speaker 1: would say something like miss the target really bad. Today, 1226 01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,560 Speaker 1: I feel terrible. We missed the target really bad. And 1227 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,360 Speaker 1: I thought, I thought to myself, in those little words, 1228 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,840 Speaker 1: what he means is probably got a lot of innocent 1229 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:10,240 Speaker 1: people today. Yeah, And that's just the way it is 1230 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,120 Speaker 1: in war. And today that wouldn't fly, for sure. You 1231 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,440 Speaker 1: couldn't say that, you couldn't do that. There would be 1232 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,840 Speaker 1: an investigation, and that was just the way that it 1233 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,520 Speaker 1: was back then, because that's all there was was black 1234 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,840 Speaker 1: and white for sure. You know, to me, the where 1235 01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:33,240 Speaker 1: I worry I guess about, you know, the the transgressions 1236 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,160 Speaker 1: that have taken place or or the regression rather that 1237 01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,000 Speaker 1: that we've delved into as a society as it relates 1238 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,760 Speaker 1: to combats is trying to regulate certain things. You know, 1239 01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,760 Speaker 1: and I've talked at length, you know a number of 1240 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,720 Speaker 1: times about you know, kind of my view on foreign 1241 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,920 Speaker 1: policy is really not too dissimilar than that of a 1242 01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,080 Speaker 1: street fight. Is that you know, let's say you're you're 1243 01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,480 Speaker 1: walking by a in a staffablishment and there's a brawl 1244 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,120 Speaker 1: going on, and you decide to walk in. You going 1245 01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,439 Speaker 1: in there is going to cause problems. You not going 1246 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,760 Speaker 1: in there is gonna is going to cause problems. You know, 1247 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,160 Speaker 1: there's nothing that you can do or not do that 1248 01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,959 Speaker 1: isn't going to piss somebody off and help somebody else out. 1249 01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,240 Speaker 1: But the problem is is that you know, no different 1250 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,200 Speaker 1: that if I you know, get attacked on the street, 1251 01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,440 Speaker 1: or or somebody you know, tries to break into my house, 1252 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,120 Speaker 1: is that you know, that isn't the time for trying 1253 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,160 Speaker 1: for me trying to be a gentleman about it. Yeah, 1254 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, and I I look back at you know, 1255 01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,400 Speaker 1: as a civil war Lesson learned to come to Sherman, 1256 01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,400 Speaker 1: you know, of being of the mentality of and you 1257 01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,520 Speaker 1: know he went to Atlanta and basically burned the entire 1258 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,919 Speaker 1: city down. Is that you know at that at that time, 1259 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,880 Speaker 1: war is horrible, you know. And and when you tip 1260 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,800 Speaker 1: for tat and cat and mouse the way that we've 1261 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,600 Speaker 1: done in Iraq and Afghanistan, you get a lot more 1262 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,240 Speaker 1: of your own side killed, You get a lot more 1263 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,280 Speaker 1: of the other side killed frankly than you know, than 1264 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,000 Speaker 1: than what you should or need to And it really 1265 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,560 Speaker 1: needs to boil down to is that, you know, you 1266 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:09,320 Speaker 1: used to diplomacy and negotiations and compromise until you know 1267 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,200 Speaker 1: all of those options are exhausted. And once it gets 1268 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,480 Speaker 1: to that point where war is the only option left 1269 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,960 Speaker 1: and you have to employ, you know, your armed forces 1270 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,880 Speaker 1: to go fight another country's armed forces, at that point 1271 01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,920 Speaker 1: you take the gloves off and you do absolutely whatever 1272 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,360 Speaker 1: you have to to end it as fast as possible. 1273 01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,520 Speaker 1: There is there is no good way to fight a 1274 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,960 Speaker 1: war other than to make it as brutal and as 1275 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,520 Speaker 1: fast and just done as quick as possible. That's the 1276 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,480 Speaker 1: only thing that's going to minimize damage as best you can. Like, 1277 01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,120 Speaker 1: it's going to suck. People are going to lose their life, 1278 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,320 Speaker 1: and there's going to be some some innocent people lost. 1279 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,480 Speaker 1: But when you look at Afghanistan and you've got, you know, 1280 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,439 Speaker 1: going on twenty years of sustained combat there and and 1281 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, countless lives on both sides and trillions of dollars, 1282 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,160 Speaker 1: and and you look at at what really has been gained, 1283 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,240 Speaker 1: and it's it's hard to have a very posi of 1284 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,640 Speaker 1: answer with that. Is that, you know, you've got to 1285 01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,520 Speaker 1: just decide, I'm not going to go to war unless 1286 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,520 Speaker 1: it's absolutely necessary. If it is necessary, we're going to 1287 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,760 Speaker 1: go over there and we're going to absolutely fucking destroy 1288 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,320 Speaker 1: you guys, and that's it, you know, And as soon 1289 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,440 Speaker 1: as it's done, we're going to leave. And then you know, 1290 01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,360 Speaker 1: if you mess with us again, we're coming back over. 1291 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,240 Speaker 1: And the same thing. Sherman was considered a hero after 1292 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,120 Speaker 1: what he did. Yeah, matter how long you think Sherman 1293 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,480 Speaker 1: would have lasted on Twitter these days, yeah, I mean 1294 01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,040 Speaker 1: he'd be in Levenworth put making the big rocks in 1295 01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,640 Speaker 1: the Little rocks Man. What what to comes to Sherman 1296 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:34,680 Speaker 1: did was so far off the grid from what anyone 1297 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:39,720 Speaker 1: could possibly understand in warfare today. And like you said, though, 1298 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,040 Speaker 1: he did what he had to do. Yeah, I mean 1299 01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,880 Speaker 1: because it was stalling at that point, you know. And 1300 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,400 Speaker 1: and you know, the Civil War lasted five years as 1301 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,840 Speaker 1: it is, hundreds of thousands of countrymen were lost on 1302 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,560 Speaker 1: both sides. Yeah, and you know, you get to a 1303 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,800 Speaker 1: point where it's like, you know, ripping the band aid 1304 01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,160 Speaker 1: off almost it's just you know, shit or get off 1305 01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:59,920 Speaker 1: the pot. Like at some point you've got to just say, 1306 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, we're here to accomplish a mission. We're going 1307 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,080 Speaker 1: to do whatever it takes to do that. And one 1308 01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:10,160 Speaker 1: of our biggest problems as a country is utilizing politicians 1309 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,040 Speaker 1: and people that have no experience and frankly no business 1310 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,479 Speaker 1: directing or dictating rules of engagement or how to conduct 1311 01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,320 Speaker 1: yourself as a professional war fighter to people who are 1312 01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,639 Speaker 1: professional war fighters, you know. And that's one of our 1313 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:27,000 Speaker 1: biggest hamstrings and detriments to our armed forces is outsourcing 1314 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,200 Speaker 1: that tactical control and you know, looking to Dad for 1315 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,320 Speaker 1: can I do this type of mentality that ultimately just 1316 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,479 Speaker 1: ends up causing way more more harm than good because 1317 01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:42,719 Speaker 1: those those guys have no business directing troops. They don't 1318 01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,760 Speaker 1: know what it's like to be there, and frankly they 1319 01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,679 Speaker 1: they don't really even understand the implicifications foreign policy wise. 1320 01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,439 Speaker 1: To me, it's no different than calling a plumber. And 1321 01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,479 Speaker 1: when it gets over here, I don't know shit about plumbing, 1322 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,920 Speaker 1: but I'm going to tell him, hey, be careful with 1323 01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,160 Speaker 1: that pipe. And what I'd really rather you not use 1324 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,000 Speaker 1: that ranch. You hired him to do a job, Let 1325 01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,120 Speaker 1: him do his job. I mean, that's what the military is. 1326 01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,200 Speaker 1: Our job is to go overseas and break shit, you know, 1327 01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,720 Speaker 1: And so don't send us over there until you need 1328 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,320 Speaker 1: us to do that. But when you need us to 1329 01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,240 Speaker 1: do that, send us over there and let us do it. 1330 01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,800 Speaker 1: And if it if it just stays that simple, uh, 1331 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, I think far less problems would be had. 1332 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,680 Speaker 1: I truly believe that some of life's most complex problems 1333 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,720 Speaker 1: actually have the simplest solutions to them, and that being 1334 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,720 Speaker 1: a classic example of it. We want to we want 1335 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,639 Speaker 1: people to go get the termines out of our house, 1336 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,719 Speaker 1: but not tear up any of the dry wall. Yeah, 1337 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's there's a million analogies you could use 1338 01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,639 Speaker 1: it in all other walks of life that you don't 1339 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,320 Speaker 1: do it that way. Yeah, right, Like I'm not going 1340 01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,200 Speaker 1: to argue with a brain surgeon on how he's going 1341 01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,240 Speaker 1: to take a tumor out of my head. Yep. And 1342 01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:45,840 Speaker 1: I don't care if he's a nice guy. I mean, 1343 01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,439 Speaker 1: while while we're on the topic of, you know, hating 1344 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,559 Speaker 1: politicians because they don't like, you know, the way that 1345 01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,439 Speaker 1: they conduct themselves or what they say. Like, I don't 1346 01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,360 Speaker 1: give a shit. If he does a good job and 1347 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,320 Speaker 1: he does what needs to be done, I like him. 1348 01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,599 Speaker 1: You know. If I've got I need a full knee 1349 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,880 Speaker 1: replacement and the doctor a prick, I'm not going to 1350 01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,160 Speaker 1: switch doctors because I want to like the guy. I don't. 1351 01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,519 Speaker 1: I don't care if he's good at what he does. 1352 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,479 Speaker 1: But you know, unfortunately we have a problem with being 1353 01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,040 Speaker 1: able to separate those things at a high level nowadays. 1354 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,160 Speaker 1: But what does the American flag mean to you? It's 1355 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,080 Speaker 1: not a trick question, Yeah, I mean to me, it's 1356 01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,400 Speaker 1: it's opportunity. Is the first thing that comes to mind, 1357 01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:23,719 Speaker 1: really is that, you know, it's a combination of freedom 1358 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,840 Speaker 1: and opportunity. Freedom is dicey though, and that when I 1359 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,719 Speaker 1: look at our country and I think, you know, what, 1360 01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,960 Speaker 1: what does a truly free society look like? You know, 1361 01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty United States of America isn't what I think of. 1362 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,640 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that you're not allowed to do. Unfortunately, 1363 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,200 Speaker 1: that that it frankly breaks my heart that, you know, 1364 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,160 Speaker 1: myself and a lot of you know, countrymen of mine 1365 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:52,559 Speaker 1: have given a fair bit for But I still think 1366 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,280 Speaker 1: it's the It's the best and freest country on the planet. 1367 01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,360 Speaker 1: And I'm very proud to be an American. I'm proud 1368 01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:02,720 Speaker 1: to have fought for it. But it does worry me 1369 01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,760 Speaker 1: how much of our freedoms and liberties have have gone 1370 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,439 Speaker 1: to shit, especially here recently with Corona and you know, 1371 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,840 Speaker 1: and race protests and riots and things of that nature. 1372 01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:18,160 Speaker 1: But so, why is that flag starting to represent racism? 1373 01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,920 Speaker 1: Well to me, it doesn't represent it to me, yeah, absolutely, 1374 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,479 Speaker 1: But why is that getting that perception? So I think, 1375 01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,479 Speaker 1: you know this, give you we'll go back almost do 1376 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,040 Speaker 1: a little history lesson here. I guess I think that 1377 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:36,519 Speaker 1: I love history. I think the nineteen nineties and bear 1378 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,439 Speaker 1: with me, it's kind of a long long tail on 1379 01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:42,040 Speaker 1: the kite if you will. But the nineties, I think 1380 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:46,800 Speaker 1: when political correctness started to creep into our society and 1381 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,040 Speaker 1: as it relates to children, is that you know, like 1382 01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:50,960 Speaker 1: with most things, the road to hell is paved with 1383 01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:55,679 Speaker 1: good intentions. Is that you know, abusive parents and things 1384 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,280 Speaker 1: of that nature. The desire on a society and a 1385 01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,639 Speaker 1: government to try to mitigate those types of things turned 1386 01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:08,280 Speaker 1: into an over correction of of now micromanaging parents and 1387 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,559 Speaker 1: school administration's teachers, et cetera. You know, all of the unit, 1388 01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,880 Speaker 1: the family and community unit that has the ability to 1389 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,439 Speaker 1: impact and raise children the way that they need to 1390 01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,960 Speaker 1: be raised i e. Productively and be an asset not 1391 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:29,080 Speaker 1: a liability was severely diminished. Uh. Again, the intentions were good, 1392 01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,400 Speaker 1: I think, but when you when you overcorrect to a 1393 01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:35,240 Speaker 1: point where now you're the intend the opposite intended consequence 1394 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,880 Speaker 1: is taking place. Is that that's when there's a problem. 1395 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,320 Speaker 1: Is there wasn't a happy medium approach. And so now 1396 01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,599 Speaker 1: can't spank your kids. You can't say this to them, 1397 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,200 Speaker 1: You can't ground them, You can't take anything away from 1398 01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,080 Speaker 1: them that you know they can sue you for taking 1399 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,880 Speaker 1: the cell phone that you pay for away from them. 1400 01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,200 Speaker 1: You know it's gotten so ridiculous. Is that now you 1401 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,120 Speaker 1: have generations and you know people always ask, you know, 1402 01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,400 Speaker 1: what's it going to be like when these entitled generation 1403 01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,280 Speaker 1: whatever grow up? Well, now you're looking at it. Is 1404 01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,559 Speaker 1: that you've got a society where somebody's bowling me. Let 1405 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,839 Speaker 1: me whine about it to somebody and they'll make it stop. 1406 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,200 Speaker 1: Somebody picked on me for this, Let me let me 1407 01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,680 Speaker 1: tell on them. Somebody stole this from me. Let me 1408 01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,360 Speaker 1: just go report them. Is that, you know, we've micromanaged 1409 01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:20,640 Speaker 1: and helicoptered two generations of children to a point at 1410 01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,800 Speaker 1: which now they are just you know, born and bred 1411 01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,800 Speaker 1: and conditioned into a victim mentality? Right? Is that is 1412 01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,160 Speaker 1: that I don't I can't solve any problem on my own. Right, 1413 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:32,960 Speaker 1: Is that I'm going to get in trouble if I 1414 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,200 Speaker 1: punch the bully in the face, I'm going to get 1415 01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,599 Speaker 1: in trouble. If I solve my own problems, I need 1416 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,320 Speaker 1: to go to my mom or my teacher or whatever. 1417 01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,439 Speaker 1: And so you know, to me twenty years later, is 1418 01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,439 Speaker 1: that now you've got adults who are entitled who every 1419 01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,280 Speaker 1: time that there's a problem, Is that instead of trying 1420 01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,080 Speaker 1: to work it out, is that they throw a fucking 1421 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,160 Speaker 1: temper tantrum like you're seeing right now. Is that they 1422 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,439 Speaker 1: just go demand that well, you know, I want this 1423 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,800 Speaker 1: and I need that, and you need to take this down. 1424 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:03,559 Speaker 1: And that offends me, you know, in all of this 1425 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,920 Speaker 1: other stuff, because they've been taught that for the last 1426 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,200 Speaker 1: twenty years and so you know, now we've created this 1427 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,320 Speaker 1: environment where where that thrives. And so to me, it's 1428 01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,880 Speaker 1: not that now all of the sudden racism exists. I mean, 1429 01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,160 Speaker 1: if you look at the historical context of our country, 1430 01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean, as of nineteen sixty five, you know, at 1431 01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,480 Speaker 1: least on a large scale platform where it was accepted, 1432 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,519 Speaker 1: it stopped. You know, Yeah, there were pockets here and 1433 01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,479 Speaker 1: there that have slowly dwindled over time. And yes, there's 1434 01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,320 Speaker 1: pockets that still exist. But guess what, there are pockets 1435 01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,840 Speaker 1: of that that exist in every society. You know. I 1436 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,680 Speaker 1: can tell you as somebody who's been to other places, 1437 01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,680 Speaker 1: you know, and not even just saying against me, I 1438 01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,879 Speaker 1: mean seeing the way certain groups are treated in other countries, 1439 01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:50,000 Speaker 1: and these are their own own citizens, you know, makes 1440 01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,720 Speaker 1: any of the worst travesty you've ever seen in this 1441 01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,360 Speaker 1: country look like a fucking picnic. You know, it happens, 1442 01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, and we still have the freest, most democrat, 1443 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,960 Speaker 1: radically balanced, middle of the road society out there. But 1444 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,559 Speaker 1: it's unfortunately the entire world, in the entire world, unfortunately, 1445 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,800 Speaker 1: it's not getting better. It's getting worse because of this 1446 01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,920 Speaker 1: this entitled generation that that is now uh you know, 1447 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:17,559 Speaker 1: the participation trophy crew that that thinks that uh, you know, 1448 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,720 Speaker 1: they ought to get paid just for for showing up, 1449 01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,360 Speaker 1: you know. And it's it's gonna come to bite us 1450 01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,120 Speaker 1: in the ass for sure. Again. It has a shelf life, 1451 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,840 Speaker 1: and there will come a time much sooner than later 1452 01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:32,280 Speaker 1: that that the country, mother nature, the planet whatever is 1453 01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:35,200 Speaker 1: going to self correct in some way, shape or form, 1454 01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,519 Speaker 1: and it's gonna get back out of out of balance. 1455 01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm afraid you're right, and it's it's maybe that's 1456 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,200 Speaker 1: the wrong choice of words. I'm happy that that I 1457 01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,000 Speaker 1: believe that you're right. It's going to get worse before 1458 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,960 Speaker 1: it gets better, I believe. And it's going to hurt 1459 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,080 Speaker 1: to rip that band aid off, But I do think 1460 01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:58,160 Speaker 1: that genetics and and mother nature will correct itself, like 1461 01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:02,519 Speaker 1: you said, and and Mike, you you're active on social media, 1462 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:08,120 Speaker 1: you have a really good podcast called mic Drop, and 1463 01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,479 Speaker 1: I've listened to a bunch of those episodes. And what 1464 01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,439 Speaker 1: you're kind of known for is you speak the truth 1465 01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,280 Speaker 1: through common sense the way that you see it, and 1466 01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,519 Speaker 1: you're not filtered by trying to win people over or 1467 01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:26,960 Speaker 1: win an election of some kind, or make a whole 1468 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,639 Speaker 1: bunch of money, by the way. I hope you do. 1469 01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,679 Speaker 1: I hope you do make a whole bunch of money. 1470 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,960 Speaker 1: But but you're not filtered by any kind of other 1471 01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:41,120 Speaker 1: reason besides just seeing things through common sense and and 1472 01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,360 Speaker 1: and that. So many times I just wish people could 1473 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,519 Speaker 1: could put all their their other motives aside and just 1474 01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,160 Speaker 1: see the basics. Let's just look at things the most 1475 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:57,320 Speaker 1: basic way. And uh. And I'm just so grateful man 1476 01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,640 Speaker 1: that you that you are a voice out there for 1477 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,599 Speaker 1: people to listen to. Well, I appreciate that very much. 1478 01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,519 Speaker 1: I you know, my my intent was starting it was 1479 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,640 Speaker 1: excuse me, essentially, that was that, you know, I'd been 1480 01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,599 Speaker 1: on a number of other podcasts where it was, hey, 1481 01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, we don't want to talk about this, or hey, 1482 01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,800 Speaker 1: my sponsor, you know, wants us to stay away from 1483 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:21,640 Speaker 1: that or whatever, and it's just like you know for me, 1484 01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,040 Speaker 1: like I don't take the approach of you know, the 1485 01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,240 Speaker 1: Howard Stern shock jock where it's you know what, what 1486 01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,439 Speaker 1: can I say that's really going to piss as many 1487 01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,519 Speaker 1: people off as possible? How can I get a rise 1488 01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,559 Speaker 1: out of this group? Or you know what can I 1489 01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,840 Speaker 1: say to get everybody to click on this and watch this? 1490 01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:40,040 Speaker 1: Like nothing could be further from from my intent as 1491 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,080 Speaker 1: it relates to that. It's just while I don't go 1492 01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,040 Speaker 1: out of my way to piss anybody off, I just 1493 01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm not concerned if I do, you know, And so 1494 01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,960 Speaker 1: Ill said, yeah, So I mean it's pretty liberating that way. 1495 01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,040 Speaker 1: And again like I'm not going to just run my 1496 01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:55,880 Speaker 1: mouth if I don't have anything to back it up, 1497 01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,439 Speaker 1: Like I'm not just going to say, oh well, you know, 1498 01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,320 Speaker 1: throw something wild out there and not have you know, 1499 01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,880 Speaker 1: at least I've spent some time thinking about it, or 1500 01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:05,719 Speaker 1: I've talked to X Y and Z. You know, I've 1501 01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,600 Speaker 1: I've had some remarkable people on the show over the 1502 01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,200 Speaker 1: last couple of years. And I'm actually working on a book. 1503 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,240 Speaker 1: It'll be you know, amusings of Mic Drop type of 1504 01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,479 Speaker 1: type of politics book where it's it's kind of taking 1505 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,680 Speaker 1: a little bit from all the different people that I've 1506 01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,200 Speaker 1: interviewed and the subject matters of expertise that they play 1507 01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,519 Speaker 1: a role in, and kind of combining it all into 1508 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,400 Speaker 1: a lot of what we're talking about here today and 1509 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,360 Speaker 1: just kind of land it all out there of how 1510 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,559 Speaker 1: this country has kind of turned into what it has 1511 01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,240 Speaker 1: and you know, what we need to identify to ultimately 1512 01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,360 Speaker 1: fix it hopefully. But so and you don't come across 1513 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,240 Speaker 1: as an idealist, which at the same time becomes dangerous 1514 01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:50,280 Speaker 1: on either side being an idealist meaning I believe this 1515 01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,920 Speaker 1: no matter what, no one will ever change my mind. 1516 01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,439 Speaker 1: That's just how I was raised, and that's how I 1517 01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,360 Speaker 1: believe you're more of a This is the way I 1518 01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,840 Speaker 1: see it, and this is what I've learned in my 1519 01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,920 Speaker 1: in my life, and and this is how firmly I 1520 01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:10,640 Speaker 1: believe this because of essentially street smarts and it's just 1521 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,800 Speaker 1: it's it's really helpful. I also want to say for 1522 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,240 Speaker 1: the listeners here, what is what would you tell them 1523 01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,720 Speaker 1: is the the first place to go if they want 1524 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,760 Speaker 1: to find out more about you? Like, what's the what's 1525 01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,800 Speaker 1: the direction to go to? Sure, so if you just 1526 01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,720 Speaker 1: go to Mike Ritland dot com, that's kind of the 1527 01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,160 Speaker 1: hub that has everything else. The shirt that I'm wearing 1528 01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:38,000 Speaker 1: teamdog dot Pet. Yeah, that's my online training that you know, 1529 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,880 Speaker 1: is primarily what I'm focused on now from a dog standpoint, 1530 01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,240 Speaker 1: other than the other projects that I've been doing. So 1531 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,719 Speaker 1: teamdog dot Pet, Mike Ritland dot com, tricos dot com. 1532 01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:53,160 Speaker 1: On social media, it's just at Mritland on Instagram, tricos 1533 01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:58,200 Speaker 1: or or Team Doog google searching either one of those last, 1534 01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:02,320 Speaker 1: but certainly not least. I had the distinct honor and 1535 01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,800 Speaker 1: privilege of being a part of founding the Warrior Dog 1536 01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,439 Speaker 1: Foundation back in twenty ten, where we've at this point 1537 01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,760 Speaker 1: taken in almost two hundred dogs in the last ten 1538 01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,080 Speaker 1: years of and these are all dogs, mind you, that 1539 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, are ones that they're kind of the hannibal 1540 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,920 Speaker 1: lecters of the dog world, you know, they're ones that 1541 01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,800 Speaker 1: we're going to be euthanized if we didn't take them. 1542 01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,599 Speaker 1: So they're a handful most of the dogs that I've 1543 01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:30,439 Speaker 1: been bit by outside of the equipment, and unexpectedly from 1544 01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,760 Speaker 1: my standpoint, are most of those dogs. But it's something 1545 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,800 Speaker 1: we're very proud and passionate about, and so Warrior Doog 1546 01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,800 Speaker 1: foundation dot org as where you can check that out 1547 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,960 Speaker 1: and hopefully help support the cause, because, like I said, 1548 01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,880 Speaker 1: we are kind of the last last ditch effort for 1549 01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,240 Speaker 1: all of the dogs. They'd all have been put to 1550 01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,200 Speaker 1: sleep if we hadn't taken them. And we take them 1551 01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:56,639 Speaker 1: from police departments, military units, federal law enforcement, customs board, patrol, 1552 01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,360 Speaker 1: you name it. So you know, a lot of dogs 1553 01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,559 Speaker 1: have come through and we've been able to rehome some 1554 01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,880 Speaker 1: of them, reunite some of them with their handlers, you know, 1555 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,560 Speaker 1: or at a minimum at least give them, you know, 1556 01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,240 Speaker 1: kind of the out out to pasture, you know, type 1557 01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,320 Speaker 1: of type of environment and let them just be a 1558 01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,840 Speaker 1: dog and live out their life the way they need to. Well, brother, 1559 01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,639 Speaker 1: thank you for your mission. I'm a dog lover myself, 1560 01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,040 Speaker 1: so thank thank you for that. Thank you for your 1561 01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:25,679 Speaker 1: service to this country, thank you for your your brutal 1562 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,680 Speaker 1: honesty that we all need to hear. And thank you 1563 01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,320 Speaker 1: for driving three hours now up here. Man. I appreciate it, 1564 01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:33,920 Speaker 1: and I hope that you guys comment below if you 1565 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,280 Speaker 1: want to see more. Mike and I hope that we 1566 01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,960 Speaker 1: get to do this many many more times over the years. 1567 01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,160 Speaker 1: My pleasure. Thanks for having me. I'm stoked to see 1568 01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,560 Speaker 1: you start a podcast. It's allright, heck yeah, brother, Appreciate you, 1569 01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:43,479 Speaker 1: all right, See you guys,