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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is episode three five nine. My name is Brad

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Speaker 1: Rowland and I'm joined on a Wednesday evening Deepen in

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Speaker 1: the Night by my good friend Stevens Tolbert Steven. What's

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Speaker 1: going on, Bradley?

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Speaker 2: What's up, buddy? It's been a minute since you and

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Speaker 2: I have done one of these. You have been the

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Speaker 2: world traveler here lately. Obviously a final four for the Ages.

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Speaker 2: For the Michigan fans like yourself, I'm sure that was

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Speaker 2: I know you're there covering it as media, but even

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, as a fan, I'm sure it was

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Speaker 2: pretty freaking incredible to watch your team win a national championship.

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Speaker 2: But it is good to have you home talking a

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Speaker 2: little Braves. A lot's happened. It has been a crazy

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Speaker 2: couple of days and country while you've been off on

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Speaker 2: your travels.

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Speaker 1: It has and obviously a successful series. Scott and I

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Speaker 1: on Sunday were kind of making fun of the notion

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Speaker 1: of never losing a series versus winning the series because

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Speaker 1: they didn't win the last one, but they had not

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Speaker 1: lost the series yet and they won this one with

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Speaker 1: back to back victories over the Angels. I did become

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Speaker 1: a listener to the show today. Steven and Scott anybody

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Speaker 1: missed it went deep into the night on Tuesday into

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Speaker 1: Wednesday to record an episode that was I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that was the new record, but it was in

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Speaker 1: probably the top five to ten latest episodes ever recorded.

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Speaker 1: So shout out to you guys. That was a fun one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. I think we started recording at like

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Speaker 2: twelve thirty Eastern, I don't remember. Not only was it

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Speaker 2: a late game obviously was on the West coast, but

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Speaker 2: it was also like a three and a half hour game,

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Speaker 2: which in the pitch clock era just doesn't happen anymore,

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Speaker 2: and you know, the brawl in the middle was a

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Speaker 2: big part of that. But yeah, it was late night,

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Speaker 2: and I think Scott got it up at like two am,

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Speaker 2: audio went up. So appreciate everybody that stayed up. I'm

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Speaker 2: guessing a lot of people listened to it this morning.

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Speaker 2: But it was worth it. It was a fun show,

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Speaker 2: it was a fun game. And then today we got

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Speaker 2: another fun one with the Braves, kind of one going away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll talk about the suspension fallout, which we

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Speaker 1: got word of today. But let's just go ahead and

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Speaker 1: start with the game the Braves if anybody missed it,

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Speaker 1: one eight to two on Wednesday afternoon on Getaway Day,

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Speaker 1: the final game of this thirteen day, thirteen game gauntlet

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Speaker 1: to begin the season, and honestly, it looks like it

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Speaker 1: was kind of breezy. I'll raise my hand. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: watching most of this live because of day job responsibilities

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Speaker 1: and things, but I did get to catch up with

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Speaker 1: it and got to watch a lot of great Holmes.

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Speaker 1: I'll ask you what was your biggest takeaway, because you know,

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Speaker 1: a two victory, it's like, all right, rocking chair game

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Speaker 1: when I saw isn't necessari way that. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: dicey in the second inning in particular. That's why where

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Speaker 1: I want to start. But uh, where do you want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they got off to a good start. They scored

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Speaker 2: a couple of runs early, Grant gave Grant Holmes a lead,

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Speaker 2: Ikuna had a double. They kind of did ABC Baseball

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Speaker 2: got him in. I think Olsen homer after that or

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Speaker 2: maybe that was later, No, that was later. They got

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Speaker 2: second inning and Grant Holmes just ran into a He

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Speaker 2: gave up a leadoff homer to Solaira, which was hilarious

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Speaker 2: after the events of earlier in the day and last night,

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Speaker 2: That damn near killed me because Trout, like old Trout,

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Speaker 2: This version of Trout missed it, and it kind of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we would never know what would have happened if

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Speaker 2: Well not only that, but you know, and I know

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I would have been a lot to cover

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Speaker 2: Had a lot of innings to cover today, And if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so Grant Holmes throws six and two thirds

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Speaker 1: Like he wasn't incredible, but he really was very solid

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, scoring eight runs the day after

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Speaker 2: scoring seven runs, to me, is way more impressive than

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Speaker 2: when they scored seventeen in one game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then you and then you guys

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Speaker 2: but the way they scored their runs the last two

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Speaker 2: So and the power was still there, you know. Obviously

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Speaker 2: then just scoring runs consistently, which this team hasn't done

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's eight runs against a you know, not

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Speaker 1: up to six to six runs at thirteen games. That's

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Speaker 1: that's what you want to be doing. Five runs a

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Speaker 1: doing what they're gonna do. Look, it's funny. One more

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Speaker 1: caveat about that seventeen run game, but the Brads are

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Speaker 1: a series yet, but the underlying stuff is generally more

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Speaker 1: combination is exactly what you want. Obviously, it's not breaking

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Speaker 1: conflicted at eight and five. I did six and four.

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Speaker 2: Basically, well, yeah, and they you know, it's basically impossible

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Speaker 2: it in the only way that it's physically possible, which

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Speaker 1: All right, Stephen, Dealer's choice. You want to talk about

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Speaker 1: a starting pitcher, so yeah, you weren't going to do

432
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 1: that anyway, he wasn't gonna be there for those five days.

433
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's uh if.

434
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 2: I it's pretty it's it's it's a it's always a

435
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 2: bigger deal for the position player than the pitcher, just

436
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 2: based on a number of game. Now, in terms of

437
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 2: impact of game, it's relatively the same because a hitter

438
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 2: only gets fourd bats and a handful of defensive appearances,

439
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: and a starting pitcher has a much bigger impact on

440
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 2: the one game he's playing. But yeah, it's a bigger

441
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 2: deal for the position player. And I didn't hear so Lair.

442
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 2: I'm assuming Solaiir is going to appeal. He's gonna have

443
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: a tougher time because he's the one that charges the mound.

444
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: But we'll see what happens, but yeah, it's it's gonna

445
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: have a pretty minimal impact on the Braves in terms.

446
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, the initial report was that he was appealing.

447
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 1: I never saw if he got a reduced ruling or

448
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 1: not today, so my apologies on that.

449
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 3: But.

450
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: No, I mean it's ironic because the Brives just played

451
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 1: this thirteen game thirteen day stretch. If this happened a

452
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: week ago, it would have impacted them a lot more.

453
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: They would have had to call up a sixth I mean,

454
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 1: they would have had to go with, you know, a

455
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: Pupen game or call up someone from the miners and

456
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: maybe we would have gotten a gr Richie or did

457
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: your font test start, which would have been more exciting

458
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 1: for some people but including me. But you know, because

459
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: of when it happened as well, it's kind of business

460
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Speaker 1: as usual. I will say, before I forget to say this,

461
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 1: I saw Didier was like pretty dominant today in Gwinett

462
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: six shinnings and like just didn't even get touched, which

463
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 1: is encouraging. It doesn't change anything for the short term plan,

464
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't think. Because the Braves area announced probables for

465
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: the weekend and one of them is Martine Pez so

466
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's gonna a change coming this weekend,

467
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: but I love to see did your front test pitching?

468
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: Well I didn't watch that start, but hey, I trust

469
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: what I've been told by people that did, so there's that.

470
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Scott. It was either Scott and I

471
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: or Sean and I can't remember talked about this, but

472
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 2: I think, and it's just my opinion, I've not heard this.

473
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: I think if Spencer Strider wasn't so close to coming

474
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 2: back and taking that fifth starter spot, then Didyer would

475
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 2: have been a real candidate for being in the rotation

476
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 2: for the first month of the season. I don't think

477
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: the Braves really want to do the like jerk him

478
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 2: around Gwinnett Atlanta, Gwinette Atlanta like they've done guys in

479
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: the past, and Strider like being at least somewhat close

480
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: to coming back, I you know, we have to actually

481
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: see him pitch in minor le games and get built

482
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 2: back up. I don't want to say it's like imminent,

483
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: but I do think if if there was a longer

484
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: potential hole in that fifth spot in the rotation then

485
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 2: there currently is. I do think we'd see fint because

486
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: Wintez is like as ready as you can probably be

487
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 2: for a picture at least, Like it's not position players

488
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 2: where you let you make them force your hand like pictures.

489
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: Once they get to triple A and start striking people

490
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Speaker 2: out at this level what he did in spring training,

491
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: like did hear, is ready to be in the majors

492
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: at this point, at least ready for another shot at it.

493
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: He might not succeed, but he's ready for another shot

494
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 2: at it. I think the Braves are just one, you know,

495
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: trying to protect their depth with Martin Perez, and two

496
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: they know striders coming back relatively soon and they don't

497
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: want to jerk the kid around, which I don't necessarily

498
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: disagree with. Though if I if Martin Perez gets lit

499
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 2: up again on Saturday or whatever day it is, you know,

500
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: ask me again, my opinion might change. But for right

501
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 2: now I do kind of get the logic of what

502
00:23:59,680 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: they're doing.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree for the record. Other kind of this

504
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: is kind of kind of a I shouldn't say slow

505
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: because a lot of things happened yesterday, which you guys

506
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 1: covered since then. The only other real news is that

507
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: Sean Murphy is officially going to begin his rehab assignment

508
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: in Gwinnett's, which is of course down the street if

509
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: you're not familiar with the local geography. And I believe

510
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 1: it's going to be happening as soon as Friday. Friday's

511
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: not yeah Fridays, the Fridays down today, and with someone

512
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: like Murphy like, he doesn't have to be down that long.

513
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: I I don't know when we'll see Murphy in Atlanta,

514
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: but it won't be long, I don't think. But once

515
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: he starts playing games in Gwinnette at Triple A, when

516
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: it's thirty minutes down the road, I don't think he's

517
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: going to be long for the Miners unless something goes wrong.

518
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: That's my that that they've not said that, But that's

519
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: just when a guy like this established gets on the

520
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: field in games at Triple A, like they didn't send

521
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: him to Rome or anything like, he's you know, it's

522
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: going to be pretty quick, I think, would be my guess.

523
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and him not having literally any kind

524
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: of spring training probably means he's going to be down

525
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 2: for at least a week.

526
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Speaker 1: I would say, just yeah, I was guessing. I was

527
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: guessing a week, just just like they were doing the

528
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: same game stuff. They were all mentioning, like I think

529
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: even what was like he didn't have spring. It's very

530
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: very plainly like he just didn't have any at bats.

531
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: That's all that is. But I don't know. I don't

532
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be there. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I

533
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: will certainly wear.

534
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: A lot of it, A lot of It's going to

535
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 2: come down to the hip as well, like how does

536
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 2: the hip respond to playing nine innings and being in

537
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: a in a catcher's crouch for nine innings?

538
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: That is the that is the deal with him. I

539
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: mean hopefully, Look, I'm I'm pro Shaw Murphy. Hopefully he's

540
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: actually honest with the medical staff. You can't assume that anymore.

541
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 1: I guess with Sean Murphy, who just didn't tell anybody

542
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: who's hurt for a year. But yeah, you're right, it's

543
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: it's a different thing to be in a game. I mean,

544
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: I know it's triple A playing in a game, catching

545
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 1: in particular in a game is a different beast. But uh,

546
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: he'll be back soon enough. And look, I Jona hint

547
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: has been fine. He can't hit. That's just like what

548
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: it is. So it would be nice to have.

549
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: I do think there's a chance they keep him. I

550
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: do think there's a chance they might go with three catchers.

551
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody asked me that the other day and I

552
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: kind of felt the same, Like there is a world,

553
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that is an optimal roster management. But especially

554
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: when you like have basically just announced that you're gonna

555
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: play Trick Bulbin every single day in some way, which

556
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: is understandable with how good he is, and it's with

557
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: the DH like you can get away with it a

558
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: lot easier than you used to be able to get

559
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: away with it.

560
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Kyle Farmers like like appeared in like one game,

561
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 2: So like you, you very clearly have an opportunity where

562
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: you could run three catchers. I've thought, I mean ever

563
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: since the offseason war was very obvious they were gonna

564
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: use catchers as dhs as much as they were going to,

565
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: especially after the profile news, I thought there's a chance

566
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: they could carry three just for that, just for the

567
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: mechanics of that alone, where where you're a lot of

568
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: the times having a catcher DH, it's just easier to

569
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: do three catchers, and when you have a position player

570
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: on your bench that's barely playing anyways, We'll see what

571
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: they do I could. You know, you can go the

572
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: other way as well, but I would not be don't

573
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 2: be surprised at all. They keep three.

574
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize this. He's actually played, He's actually appeared

575
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: in three games. I don't I don't know what he

576
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: did in those three games. He only has two plays I.

577
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: Miss I missed all three of them. Apparently, I don't.

578
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: Even know what that guy looks fill in phil in duty.

579
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: He played well. Both his play appearances were in the

580
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: first week. I think anyway, it doesn't really matter. But yeah,

581
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: it would not shock me if we see him stick around.

582
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: But that's a seven for another day. But Murphy's coming back,

583
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: coming close. We will see. That's really the only bit

584
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: of actual news. I don't know, Steven, I have I

585
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: have a question. What have you enjoyed more in the

586
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: last two days, the Braves win in two games comfortably

587
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: or the Phillies not scoring a single run in two days?

588
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always enjoy a good negative Philly stat. And listen,

589
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: they had a rough opening week too. They had a

590
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: home stand against the Rangers and the Nationals or something

591
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: like that, and got lost both series and they couldn't score.

592
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: I've had questions about that team. The rotation. You know,

593
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler has not looked good. Like he's thrown like

594
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: ninety one miles an hour right now. The offense looks poor.

595
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: I will always take the Braves scoring fifteen runs in

596
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 2: two games, because that's just a sight for sore eyes.

597
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 2: It's been like three years since we've seen this offense

598
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: consistently perform, So give me that all day. But I

599
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: love a good Phillies bash stat anytime you have one.

600
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: Slightly tongue in cheek, but I just had to mention

601
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: that the Phillies haven't scored a run in two days,

602
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: which I only honestly knew because of their of the

603
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: online meltdown that was happening in Philadelphia. I have a

604
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: lot of people that I follow that are Phillies adjacent,

605
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: and they were not enjoying themselves over the last two days.

606
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: Of course, I take pleasure in on some level. The

607
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: weekend series begins Friday after the afore mentioned off day.

608
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: The Guardian's come to town. They have the same record

609
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: as the Braves. They are eight and five. The Brids

610
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: are eight and five. Cleveland's always like pretty good, you

611
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean, They're not a great team. They

612
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: don't spend a lot of money, so they're always kind

613
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: of like on the margins. They're like the worst version

614
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: of the Brewers in the American League, basically like kind

615
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: of figuring it out pitching and making it happen. But

616
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: that's a decent baseball team. They are better certainly than

617
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: that the teams the Braves just saw. They're better than

618
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: the Angels. They are, you know, I think probably better

619
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: than the Royals. Arizona's kind of comparable, maybe just to Cleveland.

620
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, we can we can get lost in that.

621
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: But it's also it's one of those series that does not,

622
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, line up terribly for the Braves. Pitching wise.

623
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: They will see Tanner Beebe, who's pretty good on Sunday,

624
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: but that he's against Crysale Sale. I believe, as you

625
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: said last night on this particular show, I can't imagine

626
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: him not pitching well on Sunday. But yeah, we'll find out. Oh,

627
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: by the way, we'll probably talk about the game between

628
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: now and then. Sunday is the first Braves game on

629
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Speaker 1: NBC National NBC broadcast Sunday night prime time. The old

630
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: ESPN slot is now an NBC slot, and that's the

631
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: first time that Braves will have that slots on Sunday,

632
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: it's leaving Braves.

633
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: Guardians is the first one.

634
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: It's Braves, I mean Braves and anybody. You know. It's

635
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: behind the Yankees and Dodgers. Braves are like next on

636
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: the list of preferable national TV t maybe the Red Sox,

637
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: but like they're definitely top five solidly because they just

638
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: bring their own audience. You know, it's like a built

639
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: in million people literally that just will watch because the

640
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: Raves are on, So that's always helpful.

641
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Guardians always remind me of like the Reds,

642
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: maybe because they're both Red, but like they can't score typically.

643
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: They're both red and the same state, so that was date.

644
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Speaker 2: They don't spend any money. They you know, they're always

645
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Speaker 2: having to like find diamonds in the rough. I looked

646
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: at the pitchers the the Guardians would throw it. I've

647
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: heard of one of them. I've heard of Tanner Bebe.

648
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: I've literally never heard of the other two guys. So

649
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Speaker 2: not not that the Braves have like their best guys

650
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: going either, but yeah, it's at home. The Guardians have

651
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: a hard time scoring runs. They do go through little

652
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Speaker 2: I mean, they still have Josie Ramirez, who's a monster,

653
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Speaker 2: but that's a series you. I mean again, the pitching

654
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: matchups aren't like amazing. The Sunday night ones by far

655
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Speaker 2: the best.

656
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Speaker 1: But well, and the worst one for the Braves is

657
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: probably Saturday. Parker Messik is a guy who's not a

658
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: big name, but who is like a twenty five year

659
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: old lefty who was good last year in a small

660
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: sample size and was good in his first two starts

661
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: this year, so like he might be good. I don't

662
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Speaker 1: know if he is for sure. I won't claim to

663
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Speaker 1: be an expert on that, but he's facing Martin Perez

664
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Speaker 1: and he's a lefty, which the Bridge are not set

665
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Speaker 1: to bash right there. So I think the least favorable

666
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Speaker 1: game on paper it is not the Right Elder game,

667
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Speaker 1: which is interesting because Bryce has been good and they're

668
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Speaker 1: facing a lesser picture on paper on Friday Night. So

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Speaker 1: I think if there's one to circle that's a danger

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Speaker 1: spot on paper where things are often not won and lost,

671
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Speaker 1: is Saturday Martine Press.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a it's a you would expect a

673
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Speaker 2: two out of three, Like that's what you go in

674
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: because Bryce Elder has been actually fantastic.

675
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Speaker 1: It has been, and we keep shouting him out it

676
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: it's for a good reason. I hope you can do

677
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: it again. Every once in a while, people some I

678
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Speaker 1: don't even know if it's people. Someone will ask us

679
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: or maybe yell at us that we are like reading

680
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: for the team to do badly to make ourselves right,

681
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: and that's just never how we are on this podcast.

682
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Speaker 1: Like I would I said this on the show the

683
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Speaker 1: other day, you would agree. I'm sure if Bryce is

684
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Speaker 1: a young vote getter this year, I'll be thrilled. I

685
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: will be dead wrong, but I'll be thrilled. Same thing

686
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Speaker 1: I'm always. I like to be right, for sure, but

687
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Speaker 1: I want to be right in the right direction. I

688
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: don't want to be right by saying that somebody's not

689
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Speaker 1: gonna go well.

690
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Speaker 3: So, like I.

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Speaker 2: Say all the time, I will gladly crow if I

692
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Speaker 2: I mean, we you know, we do give opinions about players,

693
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Speaker 2: like I guess we could come on here and every

694
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Speaker 2: every question just say, well, I don't know, we'll see,

695
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Speaker 2: but you know.

696
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Speaker 1: That's which we have to do sometimes.

697
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Speaker 2: But yeah, but every once in a while, you want

698
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Speaker 2: to give an opinion, you know, and if they're if

699
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Speaker 2: it's wrong. It's wrong.

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Speaker 1: You know.

701
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Speaker 2: I gave on Michael Harris's opinion a couple of years

702
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: ago that I thought the guy would be an MVP candidate,

703
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: and he was like the worst player in baseball the

704
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: next year. So like, we're wrong, We're wrong all the time.

705
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: Like it happens, I don't. I would listen. Bryce Olver

706
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: wants to go win a cy Young or make an

707
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: All Star team, sign me up right now. I'll take it,

708
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: especially the way the health of this rotation looks. If

709
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Speaker 2: if talking to Greg Maddox and that was a big

710
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Speaker 2: story the last couple of days, Bryce Elder apparently had

711
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Speaker 2: this big, you know, kind of awakening with Greg Maddox

712
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Speaker 2: about how to use a slider if that, if that

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Speaker 2: is actually gonna work, and Bryce Elder is like a

714
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Speaker 2: really good picture. I am all aboard. I will buy

715
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Speaker 2: a jersey. I will be the biggest price over fan

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Speaker 2: you will ever find.

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Speaker 1: Yep, we are aligned on that. And in general, like

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Speaker 1: the pitching staff being as good as it is. I

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Speaker 1: you said this earlier, I agree, like they're it would

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Speaker 1: be shocking if the Braves pitchers have to not regress

721
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Speaker 1: because they are literally number one in the league right now,

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Speaker 1: in the major leagues right now in e RA as

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Speaker 1: a team that's everything.

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Speaker 2: What's the team FIP right now?

725
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Speaker 1: I don't have it in front of me. It's a

726
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Speaker 1: lot higher than the IRA. Let me pull it up.

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Speaker 1: But I say all that like, they don't have to regress.

728
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Speaker 1: It does not mean they have to be bad. So

729
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Speaker 1: the team FIP is like in the load of mid three,

730
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Speaker 1: it's like three point three point three right now, three

731
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Speaker 1: point four, which is still good. They're there, this is

732
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Speaker 1: coming into today, so this is not include today. Let

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Speaker 1: me do the old refresh live stats on fangrafts. This

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Speaker 1: is Ribboning Podcast Radio. Yeah, three point three PIP, which

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Speaker 1: is again good. There's seventh in the majors in FIP.

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Speaker 1: That's not two point zero five era where they are

737
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Speaker 1: right now, So there is some aggression built in there,

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Speaker 1: but hey, PHIP is more of an indication of what

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Speaker 1: the quality has been. For instance, Renald is a good

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00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: example of this. Right Obviously we're not all got a

741
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Speaker 1: lot of talk about the brawl, but he's pitching with

742
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Speaker 1: an ERA of like one and a fifth of like five. Like,

743
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Speaker 1: I don't know which one of those is more real,

744
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Speaker 1: but neither one of those is real. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: a five era pitcher. I don't think he's the one

747
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Speaker 1: URI pitcher. That's one of those we'll have to see.

748
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Speaker 1: But seventh Pricelder, like Pricelder has a zero R right now,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna keep that hot take.

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Speaker 2: So, and you do have to factor like the level

751
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: of competition the Brakes have played, I don't know. I

752
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: don't know relative the rest of the league. The Brads

753
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: have played a relatively easy schedule to start YEA, they

754
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: have not played any I don't know if they've played

755
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: anybody that would you would currently consider a like lock

756
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: to be a playoff team. The Diamondbacks are probably the closest,

757
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: depending on how I guess how you feel about the Royals,

758
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: But the Guardians are probably the best team they've gonna

759
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: play in that regard where I can very easily see

760
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: the Guardians being in the playoffs, So you know this

761
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: will be a test. The Marlins have played really well

762
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: and that's who they have coming in after the Guardians,

763
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Speaker 2: So yeah, you have to factor in the schedule. I

764
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: do think the pitching is going to regress, but I

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Speaker 2: also think the offense is going to improve just organically

766
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: as well. So just because even if the pitching does regress,

767
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily mean that the level of the play

768
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: from the team goes down. It can actually go up.

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Speaker 2: I just think it might look different, but I you know, again,

770
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: we talked that we opened the show with this under

771
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: the hood stuff like I am encouraged and a Kunya

772
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: and Riley looking much more like Acunyan Riley. I'm super encouraged.

773
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: You know, Murphy's gonna come back pretty soon. I'm I

774
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: feel pretty good right now overall.

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00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: Two and can be famous last words, but I do

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00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: feel yeah, pretty good. Yeah, we can leave it there

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00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: for now. Steven on a shorten episode because it's my

778
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: fault with recording Lyne, I had to cover the Hawks Cleveland,

779
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: by the way, a lot of Atlanta Cleveland. Right now,

780
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: the Hawks play the Calves twice in three days. They

781
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: have probably gonna be a playoff serious I should estion

782
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: they probably potentially a playoff series between the between the

783
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: Calves and the Hawks and now Braves Guardians. So if

784
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: you're if you know anybody in Cleveland, you're in a

785
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: rivalry for the next week plus with the Caves.

786
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to the This is a Braves podcast,

787
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: but it's also you know, a lot of Atlanta people

788
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: shout out to the Hawks. Right, incredible turn around the

789
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: second half. They're going to be a playoff team. It

790
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: looks like they're going to actually be outside or you know,

791
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: in the normal playoffs and not even in the play

792
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: in which I don't remember last time.

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Speaker 1: Though, I don't follow the Hawks closely, Steven, so I

794
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: don't know anything about that.

795
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're famously famously don't know anything about.

796
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Speaker 1: The Apologies for the delayed podcast. That's that's because I

797
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: had to cover a game site. That's it happens, man,

798
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: I I the I shouldn't say the toughest. The most

799
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: interesting time for me on this podcast is the times

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00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: when the Hawks are still playing, which means yeah, October,

801
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: which which didn't matter this last year because the Braves

802
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: were not the playoffs, and until the Hawks lose the

803
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: beginning of the season. Once the Hawks are done playing,

804
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm not rooming for that, but I'm kind of double

805
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: dutying more often than not.

806
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: But what are they They're like the fifth They're like the.

807
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: Sixth seeds currently the five seed in the East. As

808
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: we're talking, people don't care. But five seed Atlanta versus

809
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: Cleveland rivalry for the next week plus. If you're a

810
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: Hawks fan, I host a Hawks podcast, so it's called

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00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Lot on Hawks to find it. Steven, thank you for

812
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: being here staying up late with me on a Wednesday

813
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: evening into Thursday. Folks can find you on Twitter. You

814
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: are by far the best live tweeter on this podcast.

815
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that right now about the Atlanta Braves,

816
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: be underscore outliars.

817
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, be underscore Outliars. Sean has been away doing

818
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: some personal stuff. He'll be back soon. Brad's been winning

819
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: a national championship, being Scott had been hold down the four.

820
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: But we're gonna have the whole team back here pretty soon.

821
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: And listen, the season is now just fully repped up,

822
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: like we're past the opening week and we're past all

823
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: the new stuff. We're just in full season mode and

824
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: I'm I'm absolutely thrilled. I can't wait. The team does

825
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: look pretty good right now, and we'll be here to

826
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: cover it all.

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Speaker 1: We will be, indeed, So please please please subscribe to

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00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: Hammer Territory anywhere you get your podcasts, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

829
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: et cetera, ratings and reviews, comments, all that fun stuff.

830
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: And tell your friends. If you are a Braves fan,

831
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: which i'msureing you are for listening to this podcast, you

832
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: might know some other Braves fans. Perhaps, how about just

833
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: sending a link to the podcast. Hey, this is a

834
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: good podcast, Share it with somebody. If they give us

835
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: a chance and they don't like it, that's cool. But

836
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: how they give us a chance, we appreciate it. Thank you,

837
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: Thank you again to Steven, shout out to Sean, shout

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00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: us to Scott, thank you for listening as always, and

839
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Speaker 1: we'll see everybody next time.