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Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, I'm Ben. We've got our super producer,

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Speaker 1: Noel is always on the ones and twos. But that's

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Speaker 1: not all right. Yeah, we got Matt. I'm the guy

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Speaker 1: we've got one other person been Yes, our very special guest.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, give it up. I don't care where

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Speaker 1: you are. Clap. If you're in a place where you

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Speaker 1: can't clap, you shouldn't be there anyway. Anyhow, Clap and

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Speaker 1: cheer for our friends. Special guest, resident tech expert and

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Speaker 1: host of numerous how suff work shows, Jonathan Strickland. Hey,

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Speaker 1: as a it's a pleasure to be on the show.

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Speaker 1: I love the show. I am so glad to be

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Speaker 1: on this show. You are distorting my voice right a

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Speaker 1: little bit? Yeah, okay, alright, Just I mean, I know

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Speaker 1: reason we have Jonathan on the show. Yeah, I'm dying

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Speaker 1: to hear this. You are our tech expert. You're the

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Speaker 1: guy that Ben and I go to when we've got

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Speaker 1: something pressing, recovering something that is tech heavy, because you

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Speaker 1: know your stuff. Buddy. I follow, I follow the tech news,

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Speaker 1: that's right, And and today we're covering something really tech heavy,

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Speaker 1: the hack attacks that were perpetrated against Sony Pictures Entertainment

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Speaker 1: most recently, not the two thousand and eleven attacks, yes,

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Speaker 1: or the attacks on the Sony network, the PlayStation network,

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Speaker 1: or any of the other ones. Like you were mentioning

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Speaker 1: the Microsoft UM in particular the ones on Sony Pictures

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Speaker 1: Entertainment because it has had some weirdly far reaching consequences. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we're just gonna kind of go over I don't

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Speaker 1: to think about. You know this, this is a big one, right,

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Speaker 1: This is a big story for multiple reasons, not just

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Speaker 1: the consequences of that attack, how it's it's affecting everything

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of themes that are all wrapped

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Speaker 1: the name of North Korea is the Democratic People's Republic

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Speaker 1: about whistle blowers and information that I feel is important

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Speaker 1: to be shared when it's you know, when you have

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Speaker 1: that moral conundrum of a man other people need to know,

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Speaker 1: is it your responsibility? And then I gotta tell you, guys,

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Speaker 1: it's it's hurting my brain a little, but I like it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think this is quite the

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Speaker 1: same as whistle blowing outside of the systemic policy problems

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Speaker 1: that that kind of inequality and pay can have. But

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Speaker 1: what we know that's interesting here is that December two,

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Speaker 1: just this past month, the Federal Bureau of Investigation says

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Speaker 1: they're officially looking into North Korea for doing this. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys, but one movie is

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Speaker 1: kind of flimsy for a state sponsored hack of this magnitude.

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Speaker 1: I am not saying it wasn't them, but I'm saying

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Speaker 1: if it is. But that's touchy. Hey, guys, I am

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Speaker 1: really sorry. I hate to interrupt Jonathan Ben I hate

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Speaker 1: you when you interrupted me too. I know. Look, we're

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Speaker 1: going a little along here, would you guys mind if

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Speaker 1: we split this up into two. Okay, well, let's end

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Speaker 1: on a cliffhanger. Usually we do the email at US,

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Speaker 1: but let's let's do a cliffhanger gull so we can

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Speaker 1: get people set up for part two? Was it North Korea?

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Speaker 1: Was it the m P A A? Was it someone

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Speaker 1: inside Sony the whole time? To find out, you'll at

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Speaker 1: least have to listen to part two. Dun Dun Dun, Dun, dun,

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Speaker 1: dun dun dun dune. Oh, that was kind of NBC ish.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, guys. Tune in next with you for

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