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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. Have a lot of things

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Speaker 2: to talk about in the show today, Emily.

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Speaker 4: I mean the Jubilee segment. Stay tuned because Meddi he

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Speaker 4: had a ball.

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Speaker 5: You're most excited for that one.

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Speaker 6: Can't wait off grounded fan. It's amazing, Yeah, what they do.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing how they find these people.

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Speaker 4: Let's just say that, yes, and they just keep them coming.

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Speaker 6: This seemingly an endless supply.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, So in addition to that, we have some of

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Speaker 2: a fa going on, a lot of new breaking news

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Speaker 2: with regard to Epstein, We've got Trump kind of sort

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Speaker 2: of admitting he's in the file, some details of a

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Speaker 2: disgusting party that he threw for himself, Jeffrey Epstein and

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Speaker 2: a bunch of young girls.

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Speaker 5: Get into all of that.

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Speaker 2: Also some polling with regard to how the Mega bases

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Speaker 2: responding a new clip from Alex Jones. You know, I've

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Speaker 2: been tracking his arc in particular, which has been interesting

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Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 4: He's well, I mean, he's a really important person of

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Speaker 4: watching this because he was one of I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: someone who spent some of the most time on Epstein.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's the OG conspiracy guy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so he's been very interesting in the last couple

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Pisco is going to join us to break down some

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Speaker 2: of the legal aspects of this. You've got the Trump

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Speaker 2: suit against the Wall Street Journal, so he'll tell us

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Speaker 2: about that. You also have I want him to take

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Speaker 2: a look at that original Sweetheart deal with alex Acosta

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Speaker 2: as well and help people understand just why that was

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Speaker 2: so absolutely outrageous and extraordinary. He's going to stick with

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Speaker 2: us to talk about some remarkable news coming out of

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Speaker 2: El Salvador. Those men who were kidnapped and shipped into Seacott.

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Speaker 2: They have been released into Venezuela. So there's a lot

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Speaker 2: to break down there from a legal and moral perspective

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Speaker 2: us from Gaza. Obviously that is always a little tenuous

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Speaker 2: because of the interment and blackouts and internet issues there.

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Speaker 2: But Palestinians and Gaza are starving. There are accelerating starvation deaths,

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Speaker 2: especially among infants and children. At the same time they're

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Speaker 2: being massacred by the dozens when they seek aid. So

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Speaker 2: we have someone who's involved in the aid effort there

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Speaker 2: talk to us about that. At the same time, huge

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Speaker 2: outrage from Catholics, Christians and just general people of decent

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Speaker 2: here in the US Emily that I'm interested to get

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Speaker 2: your take on there too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and three Gazen Catholics side, so we'll break that down.

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Speaker 5: Including a priest, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have those aforementioned clips of Meddi Hassan on

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Speaker 2: round it, and we've got a report out of southern Lebanon.

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Speaker 2: This is courtesy of drop site News. Very difficult to

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Speaker 2: get on the ground there and see what is going on,

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Speaker 2: so it'd be really interesting to see that as well.

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Speaker 6: Sounds good, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's jump into the very latest with regard

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Speaker 2: to Epstein. So, as I said before, listen carefully to

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Speaker 2: Trump kind of sort of admits that he is actually

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Speaker 7: and they were run by Comy, and because it was

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Speaker 2: Were fake with me obviously, just you know, they loop

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Speaker 2: So it's increasingly seeming like and we have more evidence

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Speaker 2: now have the Wall Street Journal infamous letter to Epstein

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Speaker 2: that has come out that he would need to be

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Speaker 5: And so his excuses, oh.

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Speaker 2: Well, this was all fake and it's a hoax and

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Speaker 2: it's created by the Democrats.

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Speaker 4: What's someone interesting Because if he's saying what we found

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Speaker 4: were fake, including me in the wake of the Wall

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Speaker 4: the Wall Street Journal story is that they attribute the

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Speaker 4: sourcing to a file that the Department of Justice had

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Speaker 4: on Epstein.

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Speaker 6: So that does again make me wonder.

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Speaker 4: And we talked about this on Friday show Saga and

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Speaker 4: I did is this a Marine Comy leak? Marine Comy

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Speaker 4: was the prosecutor in the Epstein Glenn Maxwell case. Trump

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Speaker 4: starts talking about a week ago in terms of Comy

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Speaker 4: and Obama and Biden framing him started explicitly mentioning James

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Speaker 4: Comy and Marine Comy is fired on Tuesday. Wall Street

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Speaker 4: Journal piece finally comes out Thursday night. It does Actually

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Speaker 4: I don't know this for sure. I doubt we'll ever

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Speaker 4: be able to confirm if anything like this happened, but

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Speaker 4: it does make it sound like this was something that

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Speaker 4: Trump administration.

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Speaker 8: Was aware of.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, which is an interesting piece of the puzzle.

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Speaker 4: If it's true, it's an interesting piece of the puzzle.

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Speaker 2: The other alternative theory that I know you and Zager

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Speaker 2: talked about is that this is coming directly from Gleaine

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Speaker 2: or Gallen's world. She would certainly be someone who she

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Speaker 2: was the person collected all of these birthday letters, including

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Speaker 2: one from Bill Clinton and other luminaries you know who

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Speaker 2: are noteworthy in the context of all of this, but

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Speaker 2: not as noteworthy as the current President of the United States.

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Speaker 6: The vindicated Alan Dershowitz.

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Speaker 2: Lest we forget, yeah, of course, always always, Who's certainly

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Speaker 2: cleared his name fully and completely, and we no longer have.

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Speaker 5: Any doubts about his good character.

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Speaker 2: But in any case, the other theory is that it

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Speaker 2: could have been Gleane herself, who is looking for a pardon.

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Speaker 2: I just saw, you know, a tabloid piece this morning.

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Speaker 2: I think it was New York Posts. So they're usually

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Speaker 2: like someone credible saying that she was telling everyone, Hey,

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Speaker 2: when Trump gets in there, it's going to be totally different.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to get out of here. It's going to

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Speaker 2: And we had her family submitted that letter, public posted

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Speaker 2: that letter that said, you know, Donald Trump, the federal

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Speaker 2: government made a deal saying no co conspirators with Epstein

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Speaker 5: I know you want to honor that deal.

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Speaker 2: Then you have this drop and you know, the theory

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Speaker 2: there would the be that this is kind of like

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Speaker 2: a warning shot of you know, this is where we start,

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Speaker 2: but you know, there's obviously more damage I could do,

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Speaker 2: So let's go and put this next piece up on

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Speaker 2: the screen. There was a significant reporting book from The

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Speaker 2: Guardian Anthon New York Times about this party that was

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Speaker 2: thrown for Jeffrey Epstein specifically in the nineties, so effectively,

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Speaker 2: what happened here is Trump asked this guy whose name

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Speaker 5: How could that be real?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but anyway, he ran this American Dream

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Speaker 2: Calendar girls beauty contest, and Trump asked him to fly

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Speaker 2: in a bunch of the girls at Trump's sixpence to

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Speaker 2: mar A Lago. They are ages sixteen to twenty two.

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Speaker 2: And the pretext here was, I'm going to gather all

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Speaker 2: of these VIPs and elites from the modeling world. This

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Speaker 2: of these wealthy individuals who can help make their careers.

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Speaker 2: So this guy sets this up, flies these girls in

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Speaker 2: and lo and behold, the only guest at the party

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Speaker 2: So it's Trump, It's Epstein, and it's all of these

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Speaker 2: girls aged sixteen to twenty two. There were also allegations

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Speaker 2: that surface from that night that Trump had sexually assaulted

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Speaker 2: actually the guy who organized its girlfriend. And then there

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Speaker 2: was also an allegation that he just plopped into bed

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Speaker 2: next to a twenty two year old who was there

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Speaker 2: for this quote unquote party. So effectively trafficking young girls

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Speaker 2: directly to Jeffrey Epstein at Mara a Lago is what

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Speaker 2: is being alleged in this Guardian and a New York

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Speaker 4: Both Yeah and Crystal, I don't want to skip ahead

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Speaker 4: too much, but I know, we have an element from

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Speaker 6: Brown.

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Speaker 4: This is a six something that's I think worth pausing

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Speaker 4: and thinking about.

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Speaker 6: Julie K.

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Speaker 4: Brown obviously is one of the reporters who's been foremost

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Speaker 6: So Brian Krassenstein.

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Speaker 4: Said, I'm told that the Wall Street Journal article about

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Speaker 4: the Trump lettered Epstein is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 6: Quote the dam is breaking.

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Speaker 4: I would take that with the biggest grain of salt

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Speaker 4: that you could find on planet Earth.

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Speaker 6: But Julie K.

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Speaker 4: Brown says she quote tweets this and says I heard

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Speaker 4: this too, and so Crystal.

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Speaker 2: It took it a lot more seriously when she said it.

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Speaker 6: Oh, it's so much more seriously.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And so that means this is kind of circulating

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Speaker 4: in the world of people who do these reports. And

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Speaker 4: so if the dam is breaking and the floodgates are

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Speaker 4: opening up, that would probably indicate I mean, I do

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Speaker 4: doubt there are a lot of I doubt with Trump. Again,

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Speaker 4: it's just hard for me to believe that there's some

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Speaker 4: type of smoking gun on Trump that's sitting around and

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Speaker 4: hasn't been reported out. Something in the Justice Department files

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Speaker 4: would be different, something that the FBI collected or something

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Speaker 4: like that. But I mean, every reporter in the country

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Speaker 4: has been working on Trump for ten years now. I

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Speaker 4: would expect a lot of them. This is why I

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Speaker 4: skipped ahead to be sort of similar to this Guardian piece,

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Speaker 4: where it's sort of like where there's a lot of smoke,

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Speaker 4: is they're going to be fire.

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Speaker 6: So that's what the Guardian piece does.

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Speaker 4: Seem to me to be a pattern of things we're

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Speaker 4: going to see in the next couple of weeks. It's

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Speaker 4: similar stories anecdotes from the eighties and the nineties.

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Speaker 6: It's like, man, this is who Donald Trump is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we're gonna find out because I'm sure

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Speaker 2: Trump owned one Trump Model Management, And.

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Speaker 5: It is I mean it.

445
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Speaker 2: Is the It was a hotbed of exploitation of young,

446
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Speaker 2: vulnerable girls, especially after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

447
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 5: Was girls from you know, Eastern.

448
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 2: Europe who would be effectively trafficked in And you know,

449
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: one of the most notorious pedophiles in that world was

450
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Speaker 2: this guy, John Casablancas, who ran Elite model management. John

451
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: lup Bernell, another close associate of Jeffrey Epstein, who also

452
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 2: killed himself in prison under Oh and the cameras weren't

453
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 2: working there either, in that weird who also allegedly trafficked

454
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Speaker 2: to twelve year old girls to Jeffrey Epstein. Of course,

455
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 2: Epstein would you know, insinuate himself in sort of inside

456
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Speaker 2: the Victoria secret modeling as well. But it was, I mean,

457
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 2: it was a disgusting world. And John Casablancas, I mean

458
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Speaker 2: he was openly living with Stephanie Seymour when she was

459
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Speaker 2: sixteen years old, and in the seventies, this was like

460
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Speaker 2: all you know, people just like like, oh, that's just

461
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Speaker 2: how it is, That's what he does. And he continued

462
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Speaker 2: those activities, and Trump knew him, admired him, you know,

463
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Speaker 2: after the sort of like you know, after his fall

464
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Speaker 2: from Grace and the you know, some of the other

465
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Speaker 2: sort of like stalwarts of that modeling world at their

466
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Speaker 2: their time had sort of passed. That's when Trump Model

467
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Speaker 2: Management and some of these other door modeling agencies come

468
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Speaker 2: into being. But yeah, it was a sick It probably

469
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Speaker 2: still is a sick world where young girls are routinely exploited.

470
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Speaker 2: People unearthed this footage from the nineties of Trump judging

471
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Speaker 2: what's called the Look of the Year contest, and this

472
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Speaker 2: was for explicitly for the new young models trying to

473
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Speaker 2: break into the industry, and so people were taking a

474
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Speaker 2: look at this footage of him as a judge in

475
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Speaker 2: this modeling contest in the early nineties.

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Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and take a look at that.

477
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Speaker 3: The fifty eight contestants participated in an exhaustive round of

478
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Speaker 3: personal interviewers designed to help our judges discover what may

479
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Speaker 3: call each one.

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Speaker 11: Concentration was intense inside the judging room.

481
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Speaker 5: They don't like you as you are, and out I'm

482
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Speaker 5: just so excited.

483
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Speaker 8: Emotions ran high. Thomas is our opinion.

484
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Speaker 2: One of honestly, the most disturbing things to me is

485
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Speaker 2: that he put his own daughter, Ivanka into this world,

486
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Speaker 2: signed her with Elite Model Management, that is John Casablanca's

487
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Speaker 2: outfit when she was fourteen fifteen years old. So in

488
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Speaker 2: any case, you know, all of these things are sort

489
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Speaker 2: of being resurfaced, his involvement with the pageants, his owning

490
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Speaker 2: of the model management company, you know, things like him

491
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Speaker 2: judging this competition, his having this party where the only

492
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Speaker 2: other for young girls were the only other guest is

493
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, and you know, it's the sort of thing

494
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Speaker 2: where because Trump being just sort of like a lecherous

495
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Speaker 2: person is kind of baked in that.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of this, yeah, either didn't get

497
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Speaker 5: reported out.

498
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Speaker 2: Or people just you know, sort of like shrug their

499
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Speaker 2: show as just Trump. But then when you really connected

500
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Speaker 2: in with Epstein and all that, that entails, well, then

501
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: people are seeing it through a different lens.

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Speaker 4: Virginia Tiffrey worked at mar A Lago. Yeah, it literally

503
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Speaker 4: was an employee of mar A Laga's, right when Glenn

504
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Speaker 4: Maxwell essentially like plucked her from mar A Lago and

505
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Speaker 4: brought her into Epstein world. And so yeah, it's there.

506
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Speaker 4: There are many different ways this could go. I mean,

507
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Speaker 4: obviously one of the difficult things about the Epstein story

508
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 4: is that the lives of the rich and the famous

509
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Speaker 4: are off and like disgusting, I shouldn't even say often.

510
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Speaker 6: They're like disgusting.

511
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Speaker 4: And they are people who like transform into these what

512
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Speaker 4: like these Nietzschen. They see themselves this is like nietzsch

513
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 4: and superhumans who can do whatever they want, and they

514
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Speaker 4: kind of get off on that. And so some of

515
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Speaker 4: this it's it's hard to disentangle normal awfulness from what

516
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 4: goes to the next level with Jeffrey Epstein. But that's

517
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Speaker 4: what is being scrutinized right now with Donald Trump. Does

518
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Speaker 4: it go from just this disgusting billionaire cad behavior to

519
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 4: escalating in the criminality? And I remember a lot of

520
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Speaker 4: these videos actually from like the Republican primary early on,

521
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Speaker 4: and like after he comes down the escalator, there was

522
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Speaker 4: just people didn't take it seriously. And then when people

523
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Speaker 4: started taking the campaign seriously, some of this stuff started

524
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Speaker 4: really circulating from like Ted Cruz World's, Marco Rubio world

525
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Speaker 4: at the time, jeff Bush World. And it's interesting to

526
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Speaker 4: your point that when you connect it with the Epstein piece,

527
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Speaker 4: it takes on a totally different a little different It's

528
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Speaker 4: not surprising, of course, but it's it's back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Let's take a look at how the

530
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Speaker 2: mega base at this point is metabolizing all of this

531
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Speaker 2: information and where they are. I've been using Alex Jones

532
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Speaker 2: as my guidepost your shir of how where people are

533
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: in this process, and he seems to have completely, you know,

534
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: sort of come back into the fold. I love Trump,

535
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: It's a Democrat hoax, et cetera. Here he was on

536
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Speaker 2: with Steve Bannon talking about where he is and how

537
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Speaker 2: he's thinking about all this.

538
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Speaker 12: The pr handling of this now twelve days ago when

539
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Speaker 12: they slip out this memo to Axios, the globalless mouthpiece,

540
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Speaker 12: none of this exists, just needs to go away. That's

541
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Speaker 12: what one eighty from everything that the record shows and

542
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Speaker 12: what Trump and his surrogates have been saying that they

543
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Speaker 12: were going to do. We know the Democrats have had

544
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Speaker 12: this file. They're not going to leave stuff in there

545
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 12: that incriminates them. And the whole history of it, it's

546
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Speaker 12: ninety plus percent democrats and globalists like Bill Gates, you

547
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 12: know that are heavily involved in the island and all

548
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 12: the you know, stuff that's going on. And so as

549
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 12: soon as the FBI rated back in March, the New

550
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 12: York FBI, when they wouldn't turn over the files, I

551
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 12: believe that was a setup, and they dropped a dimond

552
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Speaker 12: themselves and said, oh, there's fourteen terabytes of all these

553
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Speaker 12: kids being raped in Epstein raping him and all the

554
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 12: rest of it. And then Pambondi gets it, gives it

555
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Speaker 12: to the FBI, which I confirmed from sources. They sent

556
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Speaker 12: it out to all the offices around the country to

557
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 12: look at the file. They come back and say, oh,

558
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 12: there's a bunch of FBI reports and implicating you know,

559
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 12: people in the orbit of Trump with no real evidence.

560
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 12: And then Trump went, what the hell another Russia Gate,

561
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Speaker 12: And so he didn't clarify that the first few days.

562
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Speaker 12: He just said, you know, people need to basically shut

563
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Speaker 12: this down. It's bull And then he hasn't really clarified

564
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Speaker 12: when he says it's a hoax, it's a Democrat hoax.

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Speaker 12: He's not saying that the Epstein isn't a bad guy

566
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Speaker 12: and that he wasn't involved in all this evil stuff

567
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 12: with a deep state with no connections to Trump that

568
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Speaker 12: are based any reality.

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Speaker 8: He just says it's a hoax.

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Speaker 12: People go, await, Epstein's not a hoax because Lane was

571
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Speaker 12: convicted of this very stuff, and he'd been charged with

572
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Speaker 12: it and was convicted once fifteen sixteen years ago of

573
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Speaker 12: lesser charges in Florida. So Trump, I think needs to

574
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 12: be very clear that no, the Epstein case and the

575
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Speaker 12: evil he did is very real. But they've been in

576
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Speaker 12: control of this file, Brennan, Clapper and all the rest

577
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Speaker 12: of them, and it makes total sense that they falsified

578
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 12: all these other records, the Crossfire, Hurricane, the Steele dossier,

579
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Speaker 12: all run by Obama platform or do.

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Speaker 13: You need a special process you get to the core

581
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 13: heart of it of the conspiracy removed Trump from office.

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Speaker 5: So there you go. It was a PR screw up.

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Speaker 5: And here's what Trump's really trying to say.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of my favorite part is like he's not

585
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Speaker 2: saying Epstein's not a bad guy, that there wasn't some

586
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Speaker 2: stuff there.

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Speaker 5: That's not what he means when.

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Speaker 2: He says it's all a hoax and tells us we're

589
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Speaker 2: stupid and he doesn't even want our support if we

590
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: keep talking about Its not what he means. But I

591
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: think the Democrats there, it's really it's the Democrats fault.

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Speaker 11: Emily.

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Speaker 4: I really felt that's where this was all going as

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Speaker 4: soon as the Wall Street Journal story came out, and

595
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Speaker 4: they didn't publish the picture, and so the Wall Street

596
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Speaker 4: Journal story can be true, and it can still be

597
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: a mistake for them to have not published a copy

598
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Speaker 4: of the image or it sounds like they don't actually

599
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: have one and they were racing to publish because they

600
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Speaker 4: kind of got scooped on their scooped But they're scooped

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Speaker 4: by Allah Darcy. It was like the journal's got something.

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00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

603
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Speaker 2: Well, clearly that was pressure from inside the journal to

604
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Speaker 2: make sure they actually published.

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Speaker 4: It, right, because we know that there was pressure on

606
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Speaker 4: them not to publish it. Actually, Trump just came out

607
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Speaker 4: and said that normally that would be something.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

609
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Speaker 2: It's like I told Rupert to get on this, and

610
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Speaker 2: Rupert was like, I'll take care of it.

611
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and he didn't take care of it.

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Speaker 4: So another thing to point out, it's true that what

613
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Speaker 4: Axten says, it's true that Democrats did have the file,

614
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Speaker 4: and it's not impossible that they would do whatever they

615
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Speaker 4: could to ensure some of the incriminating information about I

616
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: don't know Bill Clinton or any of their donors wasn't

617
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Speaker 4: easily accessed or found or maybe.

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Speaker 6: Just totally disappeared. But you know who had the file first,

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Speaker 6: Bill Barr. Yeah, like Bill.

620
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Speaker 4: Barr, CIA veteran Bill Barr when Jeffrey Epstein died in prison,

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Speaker 4: when Jeffrey Epstein was arrested. Interestingly enough, but when Jeffrey

622
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Speaker 4: Epstein died in prison, Bill Barr was overseeing the file,

623
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Speaker 4: and so there could have been all kinds of things.

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Speaker 2: Whose daddy gave Jeffrey Epstein his first first job at Dalton.

625
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Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, I don't know, Crystal.

626
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Speaker 4: Lots of people in powerful positions have had access to

627
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Speaker 4: this information over the years, so who knows what's been

628
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Speaker 4: memory hold. Honestly, I mean, I don't think it's a

629
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Speaker 4: crazy point, but people Republicans and Democrats have had access

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Speaker 4: to it by now.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

632
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Speaker 10: True.

633
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Speaker 2: Let's just take a look quickly here at the polling

634
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Speaker 2: from Harry Enton. So no surprise, the only six percent

635
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Speaker 2: of the public are like, yeah, there's probably no cover

636
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: up or no client list or nothing else.

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Speaker 6: To see here.

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00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 5: Trump's probably right about that.

639
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Speaker 2: And the other part that's noteworthy about this is the magabase.

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Speaker 2: They're not moving off trouble whatsoever. This is, if anything,

641
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: their support for him has gone up while this whole

642
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: Epstein thing has been playing out.

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Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and take a look at that.

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Speaker 14: The American public does not trust what the government is

645
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Speaker 14: selling them. What are we talking about here is the

646
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Speaker 14: government hiding Epstein's alleged client.

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Speaker 8: Let's get this.

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Speaker 14: Sixty nine percent of Americans agree that the federal government

649
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Speaker 14: is in fact hiding Epstein's alleged client list versus just

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Speaker 14: six six percent who say that they are not. And

651
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Speaker 14: get this, a majority of Republicans and Democrats do in

652
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Speaker 14: fact agree on this issue. Out If we look at

653
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Speaker 14: Republicans and independents who lean Republicans, forty three percent are

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Speaker 14: dissatisfied with the amount of information released so far, compared

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Speaker 14: to get this, just four one two three four percent

656
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Speaker 14: of Republicans who are in fact satisfied with the amount

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Speaker 14: of information release so far by the federal government won

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Speaker 14: sixty percent of Democrats and independent leaning Democrats are in

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Speaker 14: fact dissatisfied with the amount of.

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Speaker 1: Information release so far.

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Speaker 14: And get this, just one two three percent of Democrats

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Speaker 14: are in fact satisfied so far with the amount of

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Speaker 14: information release. How is it impacting President Trump's overall approval

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Speaker 14: rating Republicans who approve of the job that Donald Trump

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Speaker 14: is doing. Get this and our CNN SSRs poll it

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Speaker 14: was eighty six percent prior to this whole Epstein saga.

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Speaker 6: Now it's eighty eight percent.

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Speaker 14: In fact, the percentage of Republicans who approve of the

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Speaker 14: job that Donald Trump is doing has actually, if anything,

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Speaker 14: climbed a little bit of cory to our CNN polling.

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Speaker 14: How about Quinnipiac eighty seven percent before this whole Epstein

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Speaker 14: saga started approved of the job that Donald Trump was doing.

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Speaker 1: Among Republicans.

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Speaker 6: Now it's ninety percent.

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Speaker 14: So we see agreement between the CNN polling and the

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Speaker 14: Quinnipiac polling. Yes, Republicans are not thrilled with how the

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Speaker 14: government is responding to the Epstein case, but so far

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Speaker 14: they are in fact not taking it out donald Trump,

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Speaker 14: at least when it comes to its overall approval rating.

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Speaker 5: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Apparently he could traffic a sixteen year old Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 2: on Fifth Avenue and not lose a supporter.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's well said.

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Speaker 4: It's an interesting thing to reconcile because on the one hand,

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Speaker 4: Republicans and conservatives care about the Epstein files. On the

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Speaker 4: other hand, they care and I think probably this is

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Speaker 4: true of most voters. They care more about other things.

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Speaker 4: And so what this will probably be in soccer and

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Speaker 4: I were talking about this on Friday too.

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Speaker 6: This is a proxy issue. It's a ViBe's issue.

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Speaker 4: It's an issue of great substances, and that's why we're

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Speaker 4: covering it extensively. For most voters, they can agree with

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Speaker 4: all of those points. And they're also like, my groceries

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Speaker 4: are so so expensive, and we've been talking about this

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Speaker 4: story for ten years now. And for Republicans, they're saying

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Speaker 4: one hundred thousand bureaucrats have been fired and we destroyed

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Speaker 4: the nuclear facility in Iran and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 6: So I think both things can be true.

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Speaker 4: They can care about Epstein and they can care about

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Speaker 4: other things more. And that's why I think the independence.

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Speaker 4: Sager was pointing this out. Those people in the kind

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Speaker 4: of middle who swung for Trump. Uh.

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Speaker 6: Sager interviewed to Andrew Andrew.

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Speaker 4: Schultz, yeah, example, and ask about the vibes like that's

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Speaker 4: an Those are the Those are the people who swung

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Speaker 4: in Trump's direction who are now looking around being like

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Speaker 4: what the hell, what the hell?

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Speaker 6: Like this looks so shady.

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Speaker 4: You said you were going to be super transparent and

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Speaker 4: now you're just saying.

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Speaker 6: Nothing to see here. That's obviously a problem. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 6: way more than Republicans.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And I recommend to people that interview that Sager did

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Speaker 2: with Schultz that's on our channel, because he asked them

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Speaker 2: some really interesting questions about like, hey, were you you know,

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Speaker 2: were you've used here, would you do anything differently? What

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Speaker 2: about the vibes? Were you voting on vibes whatever? So

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Speaker 2: really recommend that to people. All right, let's go ahead

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Speaker 2: and get peace got in here, and so we can

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Speaker 2: talk about some of the legal aspects of what was

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Speaker 2: unfolding here. So to talk about some of the legal

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Speaker 2: aspects of this developing story, we have peasco a host

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Speaker 2: of Pisco's Hour and also co host of the Great

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Speaker 2: Lib and Learn podcast, which I was honored to be

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Speaker 2: a guest on.

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Speaker 8: Great to see you, sir, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 8: having me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: So let's throw up the first element here, and I

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Speaker 2: got a few different aspects I want you to dig into.

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Speaker 2: But Trump, in trying to make the story go away,

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Speaker 2: is saying, now, okay, we're going to try to release

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Speaker 2: the grand jury testimony. Guys, put b one up on

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Speaker 2: the screen and we can take a look at this.

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Speaker 2: So this is Stormyashar Ali who says the US Department

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Speaker 2: of Justice has filed two motions in federal court to

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Speaker 2: unseal grand jury transcripts related to the prosecutions of Epstein

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Speaker 2: and Maxwell. The DOOJ says it will redact victim related

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Speaker 2: information and other personal identifying information. So peace, but what

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Speaker 2: type of information would be contained here? Is this likely

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Speaker 2: to actually happen? What could we actually learn from this?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, So the grand jury materials that are likely to

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Speaker 15: contain there are like potentially interviews and testimony is given

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Speaker 15: from potential victims and materials basically given to an un

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Speaker 15: paneled grand jury for the purpose of you know, seeking

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Speaker 15: out an indictment or seeking out other materials relating to

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Speaker 15: their prosecution of Epstein in Maxwell. They're typically you know,

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Speaker 15: guarded under secrecy under the rules of criminal procedure. But

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Speaker 15: you know, the Trump administration is desperate now to get

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Speaker 15: to some kind of narrative to push off the pressure

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Speaker 15: from the recent releases, and so they're trying to go

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Speaker 15: with this narrative that you know, unsealing this testimony, which

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Speaker 15: you know, it's pretty high standard to release some of

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Speaker 15: its materials unless it's like necessary for another prosecution. Congress

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Speaker 15: has previously, in you know times past, tried to unseal

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Speaker 15: grandeurary materials for purposes of their congressional investigations. But it's

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Speaker 15: not going to help Trump at all with respect of

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Speaker 15: the story. They've already stated in the memorandum that you

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Speaker 15: just showed that they're sticking to their position. Their position

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Speaker 15: is that there's nothing to see here and that this

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Speaker 15: material is just to like assuage fears, I guess. But

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Speaker 15: the position of the administration has not fundamentally changed at all,

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Speaker 15: and they're even stating in this memo that basically everything

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Speaker 15: is as it was.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So what can we expect to see happen in

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Speaker 4: the next couple of weeks, if anything, like, if any,

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Speaker 4: If people are following this closely, what would the next

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Speaker 4: steps look like?

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Speaker 15: I think the next step would be arguing that there's

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Speaker 15: there's a sort of carve out of certain special exceptions

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Speaker 15: when grand jury's secrecy does not apply. And there are

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Speaker 15: kind of some disputes within the court systems about when

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Speaker 15: those exceptions are some relate to of course, like let's say,

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Speaker 15: if you had a perjury charge, obviously you could unseal

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Speaker 15: certain material for purposes of prosecuting that. But you know,

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Speaker 15: it will be up to the courts that determine whether

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Speaker 15: these special and exceptional circumstances that some courts have recognized

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Speaker 15: apply for just like the public interests in this case.

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Speaker 15: And remember the position of the administration is that there's

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Speaker 15: nothing to see here, and so this would just be

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Speaker 15: assuaging the public. I guess who doesn't believe them on

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Speaker 15: their memorandum, which again the administration is explicitly sticking by

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Speaker 15: in this submission to the court.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it feels like a way to sort of

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Speaker 2: pretend like they want disclosure, kick the ball over the

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Speaker 2: court system, and you know, expect either the courts are

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Speaker 2: going to be like, no, we're not releasing that, and

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Speaker 2: then oh, that's the courts that are doing the cover

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Speaker 2: up now, or if something does come out, it's certainly

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Speaker 2: not the totality of what people mean when they say

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Speaker 2: Epstein files.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely correct, Crystal, and like they already know this material

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Speaker 15: and they came to the conclusion that they did, which

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Speaker 15: is that there was no conspiracy that Epstein killed themselves.

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Speaker 8: Like even though.

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Speaker 15: They obviously know what's in this material, and you're what

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Speaker 15: you said is absolutely correct, that this isn't even one

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Speaker 15: percent of the material that they have, like the FBI

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Speaker 15: will have and like their you know, their evidence containers

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Speaker 15: and in their databases. This is just the matuire that

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Speaker 15: they presented to a grand jury. And so everyone who's

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Speaker 15: calling the administration on their bs here is correct, Like,

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Speaker 15: this is not the smoking gun proof that people are

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Speaker 15: waiting for. A lot of these allegations are probably uncorroborated

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Speaker 15: or you know, it doesn't pertain to third parties in

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Speaker 15: the way that they want them to. So so, yeah,

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Speaker 15: this is not going to assuage the people. And frankly,

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Speaker 15: I think it's just there for red meat to give

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Speaker 15: a desperate media class something to cling to and to

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Speaker 15: pretend bas the administration is listening to their concerns.

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Speaker 4: Are there any moves that say victims or potentially like

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Speaker 4: Galen Maxwell could take, or Democrats even congressional democrats.

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Speaker 6: Could take that would force disclosure at all?

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's so many different avenues legally here, But

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Speaker 4: are there moves that could be taken legally to force

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Speaker 4: any new information out into the public.

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Speaker 15: Sure, I think a lot of this is up in

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Speaker 15: the air, given the Supreme Court's recent rulings with respect

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Speaker 15: to like the unitary executive theory and what like the

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Speaker 15: whether or not the Congress can intrude on the core

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Speaker 15: prerogatives of the presidency and so you know, your mileage

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Speaker 15: may vary. But if Congress passed a law that mandated disclosure.

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Speaker 15: I don't see why that wouldn't be binding on the

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Speaker 15: executive branch under normal circumstances, you know, assuming that the

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Speaker 15: trimp administration would like follow the law.

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Speaker 8: But of course not to change the topic.

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Speaker 15: But if you guys know about the TikTok law right now,

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Speaker 15: which was enacted by bipartisan Congress and you know, approved

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Speaker 15: by the Supreme Court, there's just no basis right now

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Speaker 15: for them to prevent the execution of the TikTok band

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Speaker 15: whether you agree with it or not. And the Trump

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Speaker 15: administration notwithsaying that is not listening to it. And Pamboni

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Speaker 15: released like a letter saying anything that relates to national

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Speaker 15: security like that is completely.

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Speaker 8: Within the president's control.

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Speaker 15: And so yeah, I think that legally, Congress could pass

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Speaker 15: a law mandating disclosure, but you know, it's up in

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Speaker 15: the air where the courts would force the president to

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Speaker 15: execute it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we had a law passed in the nineties

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Speaker 2: mandating disclosure of JFK related information that multiple administrations were

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Speaker 2: just like, yeah, we're just not really going to totally

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Speaker 2: do that. So but the Trump administration has been particularly

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Speaker 2: aggressive about just doing whatever the hell they want to

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Speaker 2: do at the same time, the Trump administration has now

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Speaker 2: and can put the second element up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Officially filed suit against the Wall Street Journal, This is

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Speaker 2: a libel lawsuit against the Wall Street Journal and reporters

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Speaker 2: who wrote the story about a collection of letters gifted

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Speaker 2: to Jeffrey Epstein for his fiftieth birthday, including a note

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Speaker 2: bearing Trump's name and an outline of a naked woman.

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Speaker 2: The lawsuit seeks at least twenty million dollars, and CNN

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Speaker 2: describes it as an extraordinary escalation of Trump's ongoing legal

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Speaker 2: campaign against media companies he views as opponents.

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Speaker 5: Just talk to us.

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Speaker 2: About the significance of this and also a little bit

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Speaker 2: of how this process will unfold, because I think it

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Speaker 2: is highly unlikely the Wall Street Journal would publish this

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Speaker 2: information without because they would know that this would be

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Speaker 2: a real issue for them if they didn't have it

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Speaker 2: all completely locked in and complete and total confidence that

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Speaker 2: this was legitimate material. So at some point there's going

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Speaker 2: to be discovering this. I mean, how does this all unfold?

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Speaker 2: What do you think Trump's gambit is here?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, so I think that this is in line with

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Speaker 15: what Trump has been doing with other media organizations even

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Speaker 15: when he has like a kind of crappy case. So

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Speaker 15: if you remember, he sued like CBS for how they

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Speaker 15: edited the Kamala Harris interview and they settled. They sued

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Speaker 15: CNN and other organizations for other statements they made where

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Speaker 15: people were questioning the case there and actually criticizing the

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Speaker 15: news organizations for settling. But there were kind of different

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Speaker 15: practicalities that issue there. So we can talk of like

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Speaker 15: the legal case and then why Trump is doing this.

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Speaker 15: The reason why I think Trump is doing this is

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Speaker 15: because this is his reflex whenever he's attacked publicly. You know,

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Speaker 15: his reflex is to go to court and to sue

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Speaker 15: people into push push push, an attack, attack, attack, like

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Speaker 15: Roy Cone told him to. So it's not surprising to

882
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 15: me at all that the president is assuming. I think

883
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 15: that's very much in his in keeping with his general strategy,

884
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 15: regardless of the legal merits here here. Though you know,

885
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 15: this seems like preposterous at the Wall Street Journal, which

886
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 15: is owned I want to add, by Rupert Murdoch, like

887
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 15: an ally of the President in many other respects, and

888
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 15: owned by corpor News Corp. That they would not adhere

889
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 15: to pretty much a pretty wonderful track record in terms

890
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 15: of the substance of of their reporting. And also when

891
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 15: the standard is so high for defamation cases involving public figures,

892
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 15: you need to show what's known as actual malice. And

893
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 15: that requires not just that you issued like a false

894
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 15: statement that is defamatory in its nature, but that you

895
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 15: did it knowingly or with reckless disregard. So you have

896
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 15: to show that like the process of the Wall Street Journal,

897
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 15: which again, as you mentioned, probably has like lawyers and

898
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 15: tons of people like looking at these documents over and

899
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 15: over and over, and who was careful. If you read

900
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 15: the actual article, they state plainly that we don't know

901
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 15: how this, you know, what led to the creation of

902
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 15: this document, So they disclaimed specific knowledge about how the

903
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 15: document was created. I had a hard time identifying a

904
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 15: single statement in the lawsuit that the Trump team was

905
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 15: arguing was false.

906
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 10: Yeah.

907
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 6: I read through the lawsuit this weekend, and it was

908
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 6: it was bluster. It was funny.

909
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, because to the point to the point that you're

910
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 4: making about having to prove actual malice, that was that's

911
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 4: the most amusing part of the lawsuit. I can't believe

912
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 4: them trying to say they know that there was a malicious,

913
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 4: malicious intent on behalf of the Wall Street Journal, basically

914
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 4: because Trump said that this was fake and told them

915
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: that this was fake, and they went with it anyway.

916
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 6: Which is not nearly enough.

917
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: Of course, Let's put this next element up on the screen, Crystal,

918
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: I know we wanted to talk about. This is a

919
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 4: CNN article actually from twenty twenty. B three DOJ review

920
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 4: finds alex Acosta us quote unquote poor.

921
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 6: Judgment in Jeffrey Epstein deal.

922
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 4: This is going back to the sweetheart plea deal that

923
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 4: was given to Jeffrey Epstein years and years ago. This

924
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 4: was two thousand and seven. Many people are familiar with this,

925
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 4: CNN wrote at the time twenty twenty quote. Epstein avoided

926
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 4: federal charges and served only thirteen months in state prison

927
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 4: for state prostitution charges concerning his sexual involvement with underage girls.

928
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: The arrangement also protected ute unquote any potential co conspirators

929
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: of Epstein and specifically named for women whom victims alleged

930
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 4: were involved in the sex trafficking scheme.

931
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 6: And you can.

932
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 4: Help us understand basically in what ways this might be

933
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 4: affecting our conversation or our ability to get more details

934
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 4: now because of the magnitude of the deal or of

935
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 4: the secrecy that was part of this deal, I think

936
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Speaker 4: that would be helpful.

937
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, one hundred percent.

938
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Speaker 15: So the deal was substantively, in my opinion and a

939
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 15: lot of commentator's opinion, a great deal for Epstein. So

940
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 15: he was potentially going to be on the hook for

941
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 15: a bunch of really serious violations under the Man Act

942
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 15: and other statutes which have like twenty thirty year maximums

943
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 15: in terms of their penalty, and that's all listed out

944
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 15: in the non prosecution agreement. So substantively to have to

945
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 15: only plead to those charges in Florida the state charges

946
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 15: there and basically only have like a twelve month sentence

947
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 15: or something approaching that, where a lot of it was

948
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 15: under better conditions than other defendants would have and with

949
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 15: like sort of nicer amenities.

950
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 8: It's a really good deal for Epstein.

951
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 15: The problem, I think from the perspective of people who

952
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 15: want like truth or whatever, is that it did kind

953
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 15: of halt the investigation or aspects of the investigation at

954
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 15: that time when it was made, like in two thousand

955
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 15: and seven, two thousand and eight, and so from a

956
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 15: substantive investigatory perspective, people were upset that it kind of

957
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 15: halted any further investigation that was going on at the time.

958
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 15: And then it included this like co conspirator clause in

959
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 15: part of it, which, by its terms, right, the non

960
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 15: prosecution agreement literally only refers for Jeffrey Epstein's portion to

961
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 15: potentially being charged again in the district, But the co

962
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 15: conspirator clause says that, like the government, the United States

963
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 15: promises not to prosecute not just the four named co conspirators,

964
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 15: but potentially other non named co conspirators. Now, the government

965
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 15: now has a kind of different position on what the

966
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 15: non prosecution agreement means. They're like, oh, no, no, you know,

967
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 15: that is meant to apply only as well right to

968
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 15: the Southern District of Florida. And also, we only included

969
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 15: that portion there to protect like victims that could have

970
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 15: been considered co conspirators without naming them. So you can

971
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 15: buy the government on that front. But it was like

972
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 15: deemed even by this government, even by Trump right now

973
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 15: currently in litigation over the Maxwell case to the Supreme Court,

974
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 15: as a quote highly unusual provision of the deal.

975
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the reason this is important is

976
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: because the nature of this deal was so extraordinary that

977
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: it raised questions about what really the hell was going

978
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: on here? You know, does his wealth, I guess, really

979
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: explain the nature of how cushy of a deal he

980
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: was able to secure here? Does the fact that he

981
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: was able to get these high powered lawyers, people like

982
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: Alan Dershowitz on his side, is that sufficient to explain

983
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: how good this deal was? The I mean, ultimately they

984
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: were you know, the deal was deemed to have violated victims' rights.

985
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: Having this clause in here that you know, I don't

986
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: know if it's unprecedent, but it's certainly highly unusual to say, Okay,

987
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: not only are you done and we're not going to

988
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: investigate any but anyone who was involved in this, they're

989
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: off the hook as well. Do you think just like

990
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: his wealth is enough to explain that? Because I do

991
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: think this is the locus of where people start to go, okay, well, then.

992
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 5: Who else was involved? Who had something to lose here?

993
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: Alex Acosta reportedly also said this was a book. I

994
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 2: was told this was above my pay grade and that

995
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: he was intel and I needed to leave it alone.

996
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: So what do you sort of make of how of

997
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: the ordinary is this given that, of course we all

998
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: acknowledge that as much as we would like the justice

999
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: system to be completely even and fair for everyone, there

1000
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: is a two tier system of justice where if you

1001
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 2: can pay for better lawyers and if you can pay

1002
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: to harass victims and do these sorts of things, yeah,

1003
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: oftentimes you are not treated the same as your average

1004
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 2: running the male criminal.

1005
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 15: First of all, I watched with great interest the argument

1006
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 15: that Michael Tracy had with with Sager with you, and

1007
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 15: I thought it was a great debate, and so I

1008
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 15: agree with aspects of what both of you guys said.

1009
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 15: So on the one hand, I do think that it

1010
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 15: is highly unusual and it feels weird the nature of

1011
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 15: the deal. It doesn't seem weird to me at all

1012
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 15: that a rich guy had powerful lawyers that were able

1013
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 15: to get him a good deal. I mean, that just

1014
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 15: seems like the status quo in terms of the double

1015
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 15: standard that exists in the justice system in the United

1016
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 15: States today.

1017
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 8: But it does raise eyebrows.

1018
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 15: The comment attributed to a member of the administration will

1019
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 15: attribute it to a costa about being intelligence relations to

1020
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 15: intelligence services that also his eyebrows, And it feels weird

1021
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 15: and substantively here, like he was given a slap on

1022
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 15: the wrist for what could have been substantive charges ranging

1023
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 15: again for like life in prison ten twenty thirty years

1024
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 15: under the Man Act and other statutes where he almost

1025
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 15: certainly would have been convicted for that stuff. So I

1026
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 15: totally buy and agree with the misgivings of individuals generally

1027
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 15: who are like, wait a second, something smells wrong about this.

1028
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 15: And then he was appointed to be like, you know,

1029
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 15: Secretary of Labor. So I get everyone who's like, this

1030
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 15: seal seems weird. We want more transparency. I want to do, Like,

1031
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 15: I want to say that there is no smoking gun

1032
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 15: proof for the other theories, and so even though you

1033
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 15: know it's possible, right that the only incentive here was

1034
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 15: that the nature of the fact that they had high

1035
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 15: profile lawyers, and maybe they were convinced by Dershowitz's arguments

1036
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 15: that the federal statutes didn't apply because of like territoriality

1037
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 15: or something like that. But I just want to say that, like,

1038
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 15: I understand people and their misgivings, given how much smoke

1039
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 15: there is, I just caution them not to, you know,

1040
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 15: jump to conclusions right away.

1041
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and move on to the

1042
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: other story I wanted you to break down for us

1043
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: here at Pisco, which is you can put this next

1044
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: see one element up on the screen here. This was

1045
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: a huge development. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't gotten more attention.

1046
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 2: But a prisoner swap has freed Americans in Venezuela for

1047
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 2: migrants in El Salvador. So the TLDR here is that

1048
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: all of these Venezuelan migrants in the US who were

1049
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: shifted down using the Alien Enemies Act no due process

1050
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: to Seacott in El Salvador, where basically the expectation was

1051
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: they would never be released. Seacott, of course, notorious for

1052
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: human rights abuses, slave labor.

1053
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 5: And all the rest.

1054
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: They have most, if not all, have now been freed

1055
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: to Venezuela as part of this deal. So talk to

1056
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: us a little bit about just the details of what

1057
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: happened here. And I also think that it's important to

1058
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: get into this really exposes a lie of what the

1059
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: Trump administration has been saying in court all along, which

1060
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: is that, oh, that's just in control, you know, El

1061
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: Salvador's control. Now, we have nothing to do with these prisoners.

1062
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: We can't possibly get them released even if we wanted to.

1063
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the key component here.

1064
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 15: The Trump of administration was engaged in like one of

1065
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 15: the most horrific abuses of due process in our country's history,

1066
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 15: really just picking people up and putting them on a

1067
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 15: plane without any notice or opportunity to be heard, and

1068
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 15: chipping them off to a torture dungeon, a gulag foreign

1069
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 15: gulag in Seacott, where now we're getting information from kil

1070
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 15: Marberger Garcia about like him being beaten, him being forced

1071
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 15: to you know, defecate because he was like kneeling for

1072
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 15: so long, and other outrageous accusations about the treatment there,

1073
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 15: you know, mass people in a cell without any opportunity

1074
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 15: you know, really to contact lawyers or your family.

1075
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 8: So the conditions here are absolutely deplorable.

1076
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 15: And as a matter of policy, this administration sent these

1077
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 15: people to those camps without any due process whatsoever.

1078
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 8: And all the while.

1079
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 15: They were disclaiming that they had any power to bring them,

1080
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 15: they were doing this song and dance before Judge Boseburg,

1081
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 15: before the Supreme Court, even that potentially these people were

1082
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 15: outside of their command and control, outside of their ability

1083
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 15: that really, you know, in front of the Oval office

1084
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 15: in that like horrific meeting with Bukel pretending like it

1085
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 15: was under the sovereign power of the El Salvador that

1086
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 15: these people were being held. And we knew all along

1087
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 15: this was a crooked deal that was sort of cooked

1088
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 15: up by the administration to pay the government of El

1089
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 15: Salvador to house these individuals, and so they were there

1090
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 15: at the discretion and urging of the United States government.

1091
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 15: And now this proves right what you're pointing to, this

1092
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 15: deal between the government of Venezuela, who had you know,

1093
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 15: kidnapped or held Americans or American legal permanent residence under

1094
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 15: their control, and to have that deal in exchange for

1095
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 15: some of these people who were sent to s Cott

1096
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Speaker 15: and L. Salvador shows that who's running the show here,

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Speaker 15: the American government. They're the ones in control of these prisoners.

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Speaker 15: And also we knew this because L. Salvador had specifically

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Speaker 15: stated so in front of the UN and in the

1100
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 15: weeks before. This is like something that is not even

1101
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 15: like seriously contested, but we had to deal with really

1102
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 15: the fraudsters and the hacks from the magoing of the

1103
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 15: of the party and from the influencer class who are

1104
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 15: pretending that somehow Trump couldn't if you wanted to bring

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00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 15: these people back, either to this country or to some

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Speaker 15: other country.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And if we take a look at the next

1108
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: couple of elements, there's some familiar names to people who

1109
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 4: followed this closely. So the next one, this is Harse Rays.

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Speaker 4: He's this is the case of the goalie that some

1111
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 4: people may remember. He is part of the deal here.

1112
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 4: And then if we go to the next element, Andre

1113
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 4: or Nandaz Romero, he was the makeup artist who was

1114
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 4: in prison because of his tattoos, also part of the deal.

1115
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 4: So one of the things, and this is the final element,

1116
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 4: the Mother Jones story c.

1117
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Speaker 6: Three. One of the things that's important legally here is.

1118
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 4: That there are protections from leaving being sent from America

1119
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 4: to a prison where conditions here Mother Jones reports that

1120
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 4: people were say there they were beaten every day, where

1121
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 4: the conditions are known to the United.

1122
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 6: States government to be like this.

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Speaker 4: So could you explain a little bit of what the

1124
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Speaker 4: basically that this is part of our legal system is.

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Speaker 4: You're not allowed to send people to foreign prisons where

1126
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 4: you know the conditions are going to be. And you

1127
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 4: can tell us particularly what it is but like less

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Speaker 4: than the standard of the United States is that the

1129
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 4: legal provision.

1130
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Speaker 15: So I think the three main things to look at

1131
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 15: here are asylum withholding a removal, and the Convention against Torture,

1132
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 15: and some of these are pursuing international agreements. To Convention against

1133
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 15: Torture is US law like incorporated by Congress, and it

1134
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 15: basically prevents deportations to locations where someone is likely to

1135
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Speaker 15: be tortured. And that applies whether you were here illegally.

1136
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 15: That applies whether or not you know you entered without

1137
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 15: inspection and admission at the border. The United States is

1138
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 15: an active obligation not to send people to places where

1139
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Speaker 15: they're likely to receive torture. With respect to asylum and

1140
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 15: withholding different standards in those cases the legal alluances like

1141
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 15: I beyond the scope of this, you know, this interview,

1142
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 15: but basically where you're going to be subject to persecution

1143
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 15: limitations on the government's ability. That's basically what keil Marberger

1144
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 15: Versire was granted with holding of removal because of the

1145
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 15: likelihood of persecution at the hands of the El Salvadoran

1146
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 15: government or at the hands of someone with which the

1147
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 15: Salvadoran government doesn't have the authority or power or willingness

1148
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 15: to stop in the case of the gangs. So yeah,

1149
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 15: these are protections in our laws. And that's one of

1150
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 15: the reasons why now that there's all this fur about

1151
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 15: the administration sending people to like South Sudan and places

1152
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 15: on the on the brink of civil war where they're

1153
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 15: also likely to be, you know, subject to inhumane treatment.

1154
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 15: So yeah, they're actual active obligations on America, like American

1155
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 15: law that we passed that we should follow that prevent

1156
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 15: us from doing this kind of these kinds of deportations

1157
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 15: to places where it's fundamentally unsafe or where people are

1158
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 15: fundamentally going to be subject to like deprivations of rights

1159
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Speaker 15: and persecution and torture.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's worth noting obviously it's better that

1161
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Speaker 2: these men are not in Seacott, given the record of

1162
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: abuses and what they themselves are saying now when when

1163
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 2: journals are able to speak with them about what their

1164
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: treatment entailed. But in many instances, I mean, their rights

1165
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: were still violated. Here in that Mother Jones article they

1166
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 2: write for some relatives, the news of the men's return

1167
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: to Venezuela evoked mixed feelings. Maria Cuavedo, the mother of

1168
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 2: Eddie Adolfo Hertado Cuevedo, told Mother Jones she was feeling

1169
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: relieved but still scared. I'm happy because God gave me

1170
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: the gift of seeing my son free on my birthday.

1171
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm scared because my son is going to Venezuela where

1172
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Speaker 2: he was threatened by a paramilitary group called collect Evos.

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Speaker 2: Many of these individuals actually had ongoing asylum claims that

1174
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 2: they were you know, some of them would have been rejected,

1175
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: and some of them potentially had you know, a legitimate

1176
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: standing and.

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Speaker 5: May have succeeded here.

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00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: So just speak a little bit about that aspect of

1179
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: at Pisco.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, something like thirty percent of asylum claims that are

1181
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 15: petitioned are meritorious, and so you know, it's not this

1182
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 15: like five percent, six percent. It's a significant percentage of

1183
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 15: these claims with at least with respect the asylum are

1184
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 15: granted meritorious asylum claims.

1185
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Speaker 8: You know, even under the Tump administration, which.

1186
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 15: Oftentimes like rolls back protections and rolls back different coverage

1187
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 15: of asylum provisions and change the rules under the Department

1188
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 15: of Justice. So it absolutely is a concern and think

1189
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 15: about what the implications would be if the Trump administration

1190
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Speaker 15: were successful and being able to make this kind of

1191
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 15: laundering scheme where you just send someone to like an

1192
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 15: intermediary and then do some kind of crooked deal to

1193
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 15: send them back to the country where they were trying

1194
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 15: to flee for persecution, and that way like get rid

1195
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 15: of their legal obligations under the Asylum statutes and at

1196
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Speaker 15: the Convention against Torture and under the clolding statutes. It

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00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 15: would be it would be like a massive hole in

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Speaker 15: our law and obviously against the due process clause of

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Speaker 15: the United States Constitution, where unanimously even this Supreme Court,

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00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 15: the Supreme Court, which is basically walking over nails to

1201
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 15: give Trump the benefit of the doubt in every single case,

1202
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 15: unanimously said even illegally, you know, President, aliens in this

1203
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 15: country have procedural due process rights before their deportations and renditions.

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Speaker 8: And so this should concern everyone.

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Speaker 15: It's not just a matter of like, yeah, some of

1206
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 15: these people probably did some crimes, some of these people

1207
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 15: probably don't have meritorious claims, But it's the principle about

1208
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 15: letting the government make it a road through due process

1209
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 15: and make an end run around US statutory law that

1210
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Speaker 15: protects these people from these kinds of substandity provisions.

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Speaker 2: Last question I have for you, Pisco, is you know

1212
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: what do you make of the fact. First of all,

1213
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Speaker 2: the administration has not gone forward with using Alien Enemies

1214
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Speaker 2: Act as far as I know, for further deportations. They

1215
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: did ultimately have to bearing kil Mar Roo Garcia back,

1216
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: even though they said explicitly he will never, under no

1217
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: circumstances will he ever come back to the US.

1218
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Speaker 5: Now you have this as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Christinoum had also represented that the expectation was

1220
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Speaker 2: that these men would be in Seacot for the rest

1221
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Speaker 2: of their lives, and now they're not. Now you know

1222
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: they're not back here, but they're in Venezuela. What do

1223
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: you sort of politically make of those developments?

1224
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think politically right now it's having an effect,

1225
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 15: like some of these oversteps Alligator Alcatraz, some of what

1226
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 15: you saw with Kilmar, some of these stories are having

1227
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 15: an effect on his polling with respect immigration, you're seeing

1228
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 15: that consistently that it's going down.

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Speaker 8: This is the strongest issue.

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Speaker 15: But taking the strategic position from moment of getting to

1231
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 15: the head of the administration. I would caution people to like,

1232
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 15: look at why the administration is taking these kind of

1233
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 15: crazy roads in the first place from a good faith perspective,

1234
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 15: and compare it similar to this defamation lawsuit against Epstein.

1235
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 15: Is the defamation lawsuit against the Wall Street Journal? Is

1236
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 15: that about defamation law per se? Or is it about

1237
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 15: sending a signal? Is it about sending a signal to

1238
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 15: other media organizations, other news organizations that if if you

1239
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 15: like publish damaging soars against the administration, we're going to

1240
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 15: make you hurt and we're definitely going to bring you

1241
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Speaker 15: to court. And so if you take a look at

1242
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 15: the longer term picture, what are these renditions using the

1243
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 15: Alien Enemies Act trying to do. They're trying to make

1244
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 15: people scared, make people scared to come to this country,

1245
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 15: and make people scared to apply for asylum. Some of

1246
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 15: the stuff they know it's illegal, they know it's against

1247
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 15: the law. But you should see it in the context

1248
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 15: of a signaling sort of debate and about showing people

1249
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 15: that the American government is not going to accept kind

1250
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 15: of like any immigration or they're going to be mean

1251
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 15: no matter what. And so viewed in that context, I

1252
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 15: can understand if you're a super anti immigration person, why

1253
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 15: you'd be like, okay, all right, so a couple of

1254
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 15: people were illegally deported, but the broader messages the deportation

1255
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 15: or sorry, the border crossing numbers are down and that's

1256
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 15: a result of this harsh policy. But I think that

1257
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 15: there's a danger of overstepping and I think the administration

1258
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 15: will start to see that again with the polling numbers

1259
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 15: and with the midterms on the horizon.

1260
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they already have, and that's you know,

1261
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 4: they were really excited to use Guantanamo and that became

1262
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 4: relatively limited and probably still on their radar to some extent.

1263
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 4: But I think we've seen that in the strategy. They

1264
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: ended up sending a few hundred people to Seacott, which like,

1265
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Speaker 4: as a fairly conservative someone with the fairly conservative perspective

1266
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 4: and immigration, the Bukeli larp was just insufferable. So I

1267
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 4: think they realized most people saw it that way too.

1268
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 15: What do you think, em a lady support the administration's

1269
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 15: position of immigration.

1270
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Speaker 4: On immigration, not what they're doing, I mean the way

1271
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 4: that they've handled it now, I think they have to

1272
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 4: do significant numbers.

1273
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: Of deport Pisco loves to turn the tables. We're supposed

1274
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: to be asking you the question.

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Speaker 6: I could do an hour on everything I think they've

1276
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 6: gotten wrong.

1277
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 4: When we're talking about Seacott and the Bouchelia larp, you're

1278
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 4: going to get me to say no because that was

1279
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 4: just embarrassing.

1280
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 8: What about Alligator Alcatraz.

1281
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 4: I don't have a hard position an Alligator Alcatra.

1282
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 6: It feels weird.

1283
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 4: It also feels like another LARP, but I haven't thought

1284
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 4: too much about it. Also, there shouldn't be American citizens orminers,

1285
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 4: and they're like, that's obvious.

1286
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 6: It seems obviously weird.

1287
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: So Pisco will have to have you back so you

1288
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 2: and I can fight about Superman since he knowsingly wrong

1289
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: in his analysis here, so we can he doesn't. You

1290
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: don't you don't think it's actually Israel Palestine being reflected

1291
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 2: in this.

1292
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 15: I think that it's possibly like a combination of Israel, Palestine, Ukraine, Russia.

1293
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Speaker 15: What I don't think is I don't think that it's

1294
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Speaker 15: I don't think that it's this anti Semitic movie Likemitic.

1295
01:01:58,840 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 5: Obviously it's not that.

1296
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Speaker 15: No, but there was this person I was talking to.

1297
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Speaker 15: I don't know for people who are like very online.

1298
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 15: His name was Drew Pavla, and he took the position

1299
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 15: that this was a groper movie that was basically literally

1300
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 15: picking Benjamin Yahoo and that it was meant to like

1301
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 15: get everyone to cheer about a Zionis occupied government and

1302
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 15: how you know when Benjamin and Yahoo was killed that

1303
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 15: people were supposed to cheer and this was supposed to

1304
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 15: basically turn everyone anti Semitic.

1305
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Speaker 8: And I don't go that far.

1306
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 15: I do think that there are obviously like historical illusions,

1307
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 15: but I think that people it's a bit of a

1308
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 15: self report when a bunch of Israel supporters are like, hey,

1309
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 15: this like very corrupt country that's working with Lex Luthor

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Speaker 15: to destroy the world. When when they say that must

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Speaker 15: be Israel, I think that that's a little bit of

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Speaker 15: a self report. And I think there are many different

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Speaker 15: historical illusions you can make.

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Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, we just opened three cans of worms here.

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Speaker 2: God, I kind of get a Agatraz Superman anti Semitism.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's not an anti.

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Speaker 2: Semitic movie, but I do think it is an anti

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Speaker 2: Israel movie, and I celebrate it for that.

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Speaker 8: We'll have to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, everybody got subscribed to piece Goo's Hour and Live

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01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: and learn and check out what he's doing over there.

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Speaker 5: Great to see you, my friend.

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Speaker 8: Thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 2: So, guys, the number of deaths from starvation at the

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Speaker 2: hands of the Israeli government inside of Gaza are truly accelerating.

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Speaker 2: The situation, judging by what people on the ground, doctors,

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Speaker 2: relief organizations are saying, is truly truly dire and urgent.

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Speaker 2: We have trouble connecting with AAA Maui. He's a representative

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Speaker 2: of the Gaza Relief Committee. He is inside of Gaza

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Speaker 2: for a live interview, but he was able to record

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Speaker 2: this video about what he is seeing on the ground.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a listen to that, my friends.

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Speaker 16: I can't imagine the tragedy that our children is still facing.

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01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 16: Their bodies is imacinated and they still suffering from the

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Speaker 16: from no foods, no flowers, no works. Really, the situation

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Speaker 16: here is more than we can describe multiple times to

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Speaker 16: the media.

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Speaker 17: But in my notes, I expected that.

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Speaker 16: Our children will die good by good because they will

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Speaker 16: not have any resilience in the air bodies with the

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Speaker 16: lows of the nutrition and the water. Also, so the

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Speaker 16: international community must do urgent intervention and open the humanitarian

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Speaker 16: coldor that can let our shouldn't stay alive by some

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Speaker 16: food supplement or any amount of foods. We cannot imagine

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Speaker 16: until this moment. We send thousands and thousands of humanitarian

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Speaker 16: appeals to the world, No when do any tangible actions

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Speaker 16: that can save our life. So I hope something will

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Speaker 16: change soon after our speech, and after all of the

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Speaker 16: humanitarian appeals, especially with those children's, our babies will lose

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Speaker 16: they have lives gently after the femine is completely destroy

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Speaker 16: every resilience here.

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Speaker 17: We can't just stand.

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Speaker 16: And complete our life with the circumintances here.

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Speaker 2: So as I was saying and as Ad was saying,

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Speaker 2: the reports on the ground are truly truly dire. We

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Speaker 2: can put this up on the screen. This is just

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Speaker 2: a prepare yourself guys trigger warning. This is a three

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Speaker 2: month old baby who is now dead from starvation. They

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Speaker 2: have blocked any aid from entering the Gaza strip but

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Speaker 2: including formula. The mothers are to malnourish themselves to be

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Speaker 2: able to breastfeed, so for babies to be able to live,

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Speaker 2: they require formula.

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Speaker 5: They require milk.

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Speaker 2: And this is far from the only dire case, far

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Speaker 2: from the only death that has been experienced. I think

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Speaker 2: the number that I saw was you know, you're up now.

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Speaker 2: In the dozens of starvation deaths, it's mostly young children, infants.

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Speaker 2: I've also seen horrifying videos of some elderly individuals who

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Speaker 2: are just collapsing. We could put D two up on

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Speaker 2: the screen. Haretz has a report about Gaza medical officials

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Speaker 2: saying that people are arriving with severe hunger symptoms, including

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Speaker 2: children and infants.

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Speaker 5: Director of the Field Hospital.

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Speaker 2: And Al Maasse warned of an impending wave of deaths

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Speaker 2: due to organ failure among displaced individuals. They say the

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Speaker 2: cases reaching us are of people who collapsed in the

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Speaker 2: streets from lack of nutrition. All of them need food

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Speaker 2: even before medicine. According to the health ministry in Gaza,

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Speaker 2: about seventeen thousand children in the Strip are suffering from

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Speaker 2: severe malnutrition. The death toll from starvation overall has risen

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Speaker 2: to six hundred and twenty, including at least sixty nine children.

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Speaker 2: I've seen warnings Emily that the level of famine they've

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Speaker 2: reached already is you know, there will be even if

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Speaker 2: the floodgates opened and the Gaza shrip was you know,

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Speaker 2: the thousands of trucks of aid that are lined up

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Speaker 2: outside were allowed in. At this point, for some people,

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Speaker 2: it has gone too far and too long, and there

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Speaker 2: will be continued death and you know, lasting developmental issues,

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Speaker 2: lasting health issues, and consequences even if the siege ended today,

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Speaker 2: and there is no indication that the siege will end today.

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Speaker 4: So the question for Lecoud, and that's Nahoo and the

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Speaker 4: Israeli government right now is whether that is constructive for

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Speaker 4: the case of peace?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 4: Are they creating conditions that will make their own people

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Speaker 4: just by their let's take their argument at face value.

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Speaker 4: Are they creating conditions right now that will in the

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Speaker 4: long run make their own people safer and more prosperous

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Speaker 4: with the situation that they have created in Gaza? And

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Speaker 4: the answer is obviously absolutely not. These people have watched

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Speaker 4: this happen for years, they're watching it happen right now.

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Speaker 6: And if this doesn't radical you.

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Speaker 4: In that position, yeah, I mean, of course it's going

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Speaker 4: to radicalize many many people who are watching this happen

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Speaker 4: to them.

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Speaker 2: It's I mean, I just I did not know that

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Speaker 2: we lived in a world where we could watch two

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Speaker 2: million people be starved to death and that would just happen,

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Speaker 2: like I didn't know we.

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Speaker 5: Lived in that world. We apparently live in that.

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Speaker 2: World, because I mean, the media is covering it the

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Speaker 2: tiniest bit.

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Speaker 5: There was an analysis.

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Speaker 2: They covered Zoron's reaction to the comment globalized them to

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Speaker 2: FADA in the New York Times like thirty seven times,

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Speaker 2: and it barely covered this whatsoever. I mean, these ill

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Speaker 2: images of these skeletal three year olds, two year olds, infants.

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Speaker 2: They're out there for It's not a secret like they

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Speaker 2: announced they're you know, blocking the aid trucks from coming in.

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Speaker 5: We all know. We could put D three up on

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Speaker 5: the screen.

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Speaker 2: This quote unquote Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is nothing but a

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01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 2: cruel joke. The latest indicate you had at least seventy

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Speaker 2: three people who were murdered by Israel while they were

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Speaker 2: seeking aid.

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Speaker 5: So it's this absolute.

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Speaker 2: Dystopian horror where you're starving everybody. The only access to

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Speaker 2: food is through GHF. If you can, you know, brave

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Speaker 2: the sniper fire and the you know, at one point

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Speaker 2: they have like the Navy firing on starving people who

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Speaker 2: are seeking aid. It just could not be more grave

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Speaker 2: and more dire. We're kind of you know, joking around

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Speaker 2: with Pisco about the Superman movie and whatever, and I

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Speaker 2: said this when we covered it, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: like what Israel is doing is even more cartoonishly villain

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Speaker 2: villainous than the cartoon version of Israel as an evil

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Speaker 2: country that is portrayed in Superman. Is just I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how, I don't know how humanity comes

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Speaker 2: back from such a thing of just knowing this is

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Speaker 2: happening and announce government policy. The world's superpower is involved,

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Speaker 2: its apparently supportive, and it's all unfolding before our eyes

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01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 2: and like no power in the world with the power

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Speaker 2: to stop it is doing anything.

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Speaker 4: Let's look at let's look at D four here, because

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Speaker 4: this is the choice. To the point Crystal is just

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Speaker 4: making that people are facing, which is whether to go

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Speaker 4: seek aid. So this has reported the US mercenaries who

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Speaker 4: are as Suliman Achmed puts it here. He says, quote

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Speaker 4: US mercenaries assault starving civilians and pepper spray them as

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Speaker 4: they wait for aid at the JHF center in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: So Crystal, that sets up the reality is the decision

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Speaker 4: go seek this aid, go try to get food, or

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Speaker 4: continue trying to.

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Speaker 6: Survive on what you don't have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's cruelty and horror with a specific end

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 2: goal in mind. And we could put this up on

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Speaker 2: the screen because our country is being enlisted to help

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01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: to create this end goal is real seeking the US

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Speaker 2: help on deals to move Palestinians out of Gaza, i e.

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Speaker 2: Ethnic cleansing to third countries. And the idea here is

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Speaker 2: that you make conditions so unlivable inside of Gaza that

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Speaker 2: people are desperate to go anywhere just to have a

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Speaker 2: chance to live. And at the same time, you know,

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Speaker 2: they've increased the evacuation zones so that they are literally

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Speaker 2: concentrating the population of Gaza into small camps and concentrating

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Speaker 2: the population so that they can ultimately continue applying this

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Speaker 2: pressure of wanton massacres plus starvation, plus you know, complete

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Speaker 2: intentional destruction of all civilian life, including by the way,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked a lot about the infrastructure, the buildings.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they've intentionally destroyed farmland, destroyed you know, aquifers,

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Speaker 2: they've greenhouses, anything that would allow Palestinians to be able

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Speaker 2: to care for themselves and grow their own food. They

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Speaker 2: have systematically destroyed that as well, and so I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's the ultimate plan. It's not hidden, it's announced. Our

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01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 2: government is being asked to cooperate. Our government is already

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Speaker 2: cooperating it. And you know that is the That's where

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Speaker 2: we are. The world is standing by as a genocide,

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Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing, and mass starvation campaign unfolds before our eyes,

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Speaker 2: and I just don't even know what to say about

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Speaker 2: it anymore.

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Speaker 4: Well, Crystal, again, the Israeli military may have done something

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Speaker 4: from the pure perspective of public relations, as they incorporate

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01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 4: into we know their strategy, as they see it as

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01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 4: a very important part of their strategy, they may have

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Speaker 4: done something that was counterproductive. When a Catholic church in

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Speaker 4: Gaza was hit and it drew the attention of many

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Speaker 4: conservatives to what was happening. This was a raging debate

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Speaker 4: on x over the weekend among different conservatives.

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Speaker 6: So we can put on the screen.

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Speaker 4: This is a tweet from Joel Berry of the Babylon

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Speaker 4: b who says, quote this won't be easy for people

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Speaker 4: to hear, but there are only about two hundred professed

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01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 4: Catholics still living in Gaza and they all support Hamas.

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01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 6: I just want to read.

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Speaker 2: Managing editor of the Babylon B so not some low

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01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 2: level rando.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and some of my friends on the right right

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01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 4: came out and staid, we're never dealing with Babylon B again.

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Speaker 4: Like it's this is the final straw after that happened,

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Speaker 4: and we're going to get into more of this.

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Speaker 6: But I want to read just on that point.

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Speaker 4: As a response, this post from former Congressman Justin Amash,

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Speaker 4: former Republican Congressman Justin Mosh the Libertarian.

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Speaker 6: He's Palestinian.

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Speaker 4: He says, quote the claim that Orthodox and Catholic Christians

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Speaker 4: in Palestinian communities aren't quote unquote true Christians is reprehensible,

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Speaker 4: an attempt to erase the identity of a people living

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Speaker 4: in the Levant since ancient times and alienate Christianity from

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01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 4: its ancestral home, the place of Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 6: Amen.

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Speaker 4: Justin Amash, I think he absolutely nailed that response to Joel,

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01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 4: but Crystal, this debate is now not going anywhere for

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01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 4: the people who are the most supportive defensive of the

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01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 4: Israeli government at every step.

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Speaker 6: Of the way.

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Speaker 4: Here is Michael Knowles, who is a Catholic, reacting on

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Speaker 4: his daily wire show to news of the Church that

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Speaker 4: was hitting Goza, we can roll d seven.

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Speaker 18: As I've mentioned before, everyone seems to hate the State

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01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 18: of Israel these days, mostly coming from the left, but some.

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Speaker 8: People on the right have joined.

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Speaker 18: And I've been broadly supportive of the State of Israel,

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Speaker 18: not really as an ideological matter, but as a matter

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Speaker 18: of prudence. And you're losing me. You're losing me when

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Speaker 18: you strike churches, the only church in Gaza, even if accidentally,

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01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 18: but especially if not accidentally, you lose in me. If

1527
01:14:55,080 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 18: you're losing Mike Huckabee, the Israeli government is really screwing up,

1528
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 18: is really not playing its cards right. I agree with

1529
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 18: the Holy Father, I agree with the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem,

1530
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 18: and I agree especially with the Holy Father on most matters.

1531
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 18: The war needs to come to an end. There need

1532
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 18: to be political consequences for this action, and the war

1533
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 18: needs to come to an end. How long is the

1534
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 18: war going to go on? I know what the answer is.

1535
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 18: The answer is, well, until the hostages are come home. Okay, Well,

1536
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,839
Speaker 18: how about we redouble our efforts to get the hostages

1537
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 18: home if that's the impediment to peace, Because it seems

1538
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 18: like there have been a lot of side quests and

1539
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 18: side missions. The war has been going on for almost

1540
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 18: two years. When's it going to end? Just what's the

1541
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 18: end of it? Can anyone tell me that when the

1542
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 18: hostagees are released, well, then focus on getting the hostages released. Well, no,

1543
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 18: when Hamas is totally destroyed? Okay, Well when's that going

1544
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 18: to be? When Iran is no longer funding terrorism? When's

1545
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 18: that going to be? When Sirius made safe for democracy?

1546
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 18: When give me an answer? Because the war or cannot

1547
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 18: just go on indefinitely, it just work, can not just

1548
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 18: go on indefinitely?

1549
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 4: Okay, crystal reaction to Michael Knowles's reaction, And let's just

1550
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 4: also now, since the church was hit, the only Catholic

1551
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 4: church in Gaza, as he mentioned, Pope Leo has come

1552
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 4: out and condemned what happened, obviously, and even Mike Huckabee

1553
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 4: to what Michael Knowles just mentioned, has been up in arms.

1554
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 4: We covered this a little bit last week. He visited

1555
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 4: the Christian town in the West Bank over the weekend,

1556
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 4: so on Saturday, and also condemned that called for quote

1557
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 4: harsh consequences.

1558
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 6: So this is a real break.

1559
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 4: The question is there are plenty of real breaks on

1560
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 4: the left during the Biden administration. The question is whether

1561
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 4: that actually trickles into the policy level, and that's much

1562
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 4: less clear. But as we have covered for a long time,

1563
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 4: the sort of mainstream average right has a very different

1564
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 4: position same thing on the left as the policymakers on

1565
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:05,799
Speaker 4: this issue.

1566
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, well not the boomers, but right right, the young right.

1567
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's I don't expect there to

1568
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 2: be a policy consequence. You know, my Kuckabee is expressed

1569
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 2: as upset. They'll work out whatever their visa issue is

1570
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 2: and he'll move on with his lockstep support as well

1571
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 2: Donald Trump.

1572
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 5: But I guess what.

1573
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 2: Bothers me is it just it seems like it took

1574
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 2: a fellow Catholic getting killed before they saw he saw

1575
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 2: anybody as like human beings who were there. And I

1576
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 2: think it really reveals how much Islamophobic, Islamophobia and anti

1577
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 2: Arab bigotry allows this situation to persist. They've just been

1578
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 2: so thoroughly dehumanized that I mean, think of how much

1579
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 2: death and destruction and intensional starvation, all of the mosques

1580
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 2: that have been destroyed, in the schools and the refugee camps,

1581
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 2: and the doctors and the huh hospitals, and the ground

1582
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 2: plowed up so they can't grow food and they're barred

1583
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 2: from even fishing off their own coast. I mean, just

1584
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 2: the utter horror, death, disease, starvation, destruction that has been

1585
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 2: going on now to his point, for almost two years.

1586
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 2: And so I mean, I'm glad that finally you have

1587
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 2: a recognition of like, oh, holy shit, these are actually

1588
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 2: human beings.

1589
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 5: Maybe this is wrong, but it does bother me that.

1590
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 2: You didn't see any of the rest of the people

1591
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 2: who were being murdered as human beings. So that's, you know,

1592
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 2: one of the things that jump down at me is

1593
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 2: I do think it really underscores how much this whole

1594
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 2: project is dependent on a thorough dehumanization of the Palestinian people.

1595
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 2: And the moment you have some Palestinians who Michael Knowles

1596
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 2: and my Couckabee can recognize as actual human beings, then

1597
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 2: it becomes pretty clear how horrifying and outrageous the entire

1598
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: project is.

1599
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 4: Well, here's what I think is interesting and maybe it's

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01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 4: worth even talking to Michael about. He is a very

1601
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 4: staunch defender of like the West, the broader West, and

1602
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 4: that's what I think is particularly compelling about his argument

1603
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 4: is we hear constantly, and he says he's supported Israel

1604
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 4: generally as a matter of prudence, because for many people

1605
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 4: on the right, they see Israel as a bastion of

1606
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 4: Western values versus anti Western values, people who actually do

1607
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 4: not believe in liberal democracy as the West sees it.

1608
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 4: And that juxtaposition has always been really powerful on the right,

1609
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 4: That purported juxtaposition has always been really powerful.

1610
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 8: On the right.

1611
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 4: And what I hear from Michael is when you look

1612
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 4: at conduct like this, that's a cracking facade. The idea

1613
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:52,799
Speaker 4: that Israel is upholding the values of the West in such.

1614
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 5: I mean, it's frankly an insane idea.

1615
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 4: At this point, it's definitely like to see that reaction.

1616
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 4: I find that really really interesting because that's the foundational

1617
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 4: piece of support that keeps even good faith conservatives sort

1618
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 4: of intellectually behind Israel. And that is what falls apart

1619
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 4: fairly easily since, especially since October seventh. I think that's

1620
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 4: why this post October seventh period has been really important.

1621
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 4: Let's put up a lot of Catholics were sharing these

1622
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 4: images of Cardinal Pizza Bala, so this is D eight.

1623
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 4: We can start rolling this. He actually went and visited Goss.

1624
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 4: He went off and visited the church on Saturday, So

1625
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 4: clearly putting his self himself on the line here and

1626
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 4: going into a war zone and touring the destruction.

1627
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 2: And this was guy and only in my correct that

1628
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 2: the right really was hoping.

1629
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 5: To see as pope.

1630
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 2: Yes, and so the fact he's the one that goes,

1631
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:57,480
Speaker 2: I think gives it added significance.

1632
01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, the best way to explain it would be if

1633
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 4: you were watching Enclave, he would be sort of one

1634
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 4: of the conservatives right in the in the conservative faction.

1635
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 4: That's a very rough approximation. And I'm not Catholic, but

1636
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 4: that that's the best way that you can kind of

1637
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 4: I can kind of explain it. He was on the

1638
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 4: list of people the right wanted to see potentially step

1639
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 4: into Francis's shoes because of his reputation as one of

1640
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 4: the more conservatives. So this is I think this was

1641
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 4: a really powerful moment. And this is D nine. You

1642
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 4: can see him posing with kids.

1643
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 6: Look at that. This is so such a beautiful sign

1644
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 6: of resilience.

1645
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 5: Just to go back to this Joel Berry.

1646
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is who he's saying is Amas.

1647
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 5: This is who right here?

1648
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 2: Look at this little girl taking communion with this little

1649
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 2: boy looking over her.

1650
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 5: That's who he is justifying their murder. Let's be really clear.

1651
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 2: By saying these they all, let's be honest, they all

1652
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 2: support Amas.

1653
01:21:59,320 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 5: That's what he's doing.

1654
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,959
Speaker 2: And the number of you know, the number of tweets

1655
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 2: and commentators and arguments that I've seen made exactly like this,

1656
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 2: by the way, applied to the entire population, I can't

1657
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 2: possibly keep track at this point. But for him to

1658
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 2: put it out there so clearly about Christians in particular,

1659
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, this is the first you know, I saw

1660
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 2: a significant backlash from the right of like, wait, these

1661
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 2: little kids, You're saying, these little kids who are here

1662
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 2: with you know, with this cardinal taking care, you think

1663
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 2: they are Hamas and deserve to be murdered.

1664
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1665
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 4: Well, there's a there's a Catholic Protestant third rail, particularly

1666
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 4: on the right, because the right is still more I

1667
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 4: think that the sort of professional right, the conservative movement

1668
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,560
Speaker 4: is knitted together by religious fabric in a way that

1669
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,520
Speaker 4: the left really isn't anymore, and so the Catholic Protestant

1670
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 4: third rail, when that gets touched, it can flare up.

1671
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 4: But one of the interesting things I saw is a

1672
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:02,919
Speaker 4: lot of my like fellow evangelicals were like wildly offended

1673
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 4: by what Joel said, and we're saying so like this

1674
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 4: was completely wrong, and that is something that you don't

1675
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 4: often see, to be honest, a bunch of evangelicals rallying

1676
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 4: behind Arab Catholics in Gaza because someone dared to, you know,

1677
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 4: affiliate them with Hamas. These are children children, Three people died,

1678
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 4: nine were injured, that a priest was injured. The church

1679
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 4: was damaged. Many churches have been damaged over the course

1680
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 4: of this. And we mentioned earlier how could he was

1681
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:42,799
Speaker 4: in the West Bank and like the remaining Christian village,

1682
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 4: mostly Christian village in the West Bank. And you know, Chris,

1683
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 4: I totally understand your point about people waking up to

1684
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:56,719
Speaker 4: this because Christians are under attack sort of human nature

1685
01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 4: to you know, it's hits home for you when it's

1686
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 4: people with him you identify. And so yeah, I absolutely

1687
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 4: hear what you're saying. This though, the amount of piling

1688
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 4: on Joel that happened over the weekend, this that really

1689
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 4: feels like the chapter being turned like something happened over Was.

1690
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 2: There some other just real quick, was there some other

1691
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: precipitating because I saw people like pablan bees, anti cavioc vibes,

1692
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 2: there were other things that happened.

1693
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 4: So Joel has been out at the forefront with James

1694
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 4: Lindsay and some others condemning Tucker Carlson and Darryl Cooper

1695
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 4: and the quote unquote woke right, which I think there's

1696
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 4: something to the quote unquote woke woke right construction. If

1697
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 4: you're talking about like Nick Flenta's, if you're talking about

1698
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,759
Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson, No, if you're talking about this narrow slice

1699
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 4: of people who are very identitarian like Nick Flents, who

1700
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 4: are open racists as he identified himself on Canon's own show,

1701
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 4: then yeah, you could call him like neo woke, like

1702
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 4: identitarian white nationalist.

1703
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,600
Speaker 2: Yes, but they think that woke is a worse pejorative

1704
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 2: than like nazi.

1705
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 4: So Joel and others have been lumping I would say

1706
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 4: people were not at all like Dave Smith.

1707
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 2: Let's say that, yeah, like we could safely.

1708
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 4: Say right, and particularly because of their positions on Israel.

1709
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 6: And so that's where this has gotten.

1710
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 4: That's the precipitating factor here, that people were already primed

1711
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 4: to be like, dude, you are being. If anything, you

1712
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 4: are the one being woke. You're the one sort of

1713
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 4: engaging in this cancel culture of anyone who dares to

1714
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 4: question the Israeli government, not even Israel, but like the

1715
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:45,799
Speaker 4: Israeli government.

1716
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 6: So that was already that had sort of.

1717
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 5: Been percolt, that was bubbling, okay.

1718
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, And a lot of.

1719
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 4: People do perceive that as Catholic, as a lot of

1720
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 4: anti Catholic, because a lot of Catholics tend to be

1721
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 4: more in that camp than Prosta evangelicals, because Prostan evangelicals.

1722
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 6: Have this very.

1723
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 4: You know, many people are dispensationalists. Evangelicals are dispensationalists, and

1724
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 4: they have this idea of the nation of Israel and

1725
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 4: the state of Israel being involved in prophecy and all

1726
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 4: of that.

1727
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 6: So it does touch on that third rail.

1728
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 4: So it was the Joel really stepped into ah, you say,

1729
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 4: stepped on into the minefield.

1730
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1731
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 2: I could tell when I was reading the replies that

1732
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 2: I was like coming in halfway through the conversation, like

1733
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 2: I missed some things. I can tell people are mad,

1734
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 2: but I definitely miss some things that happened before this. Yeah,

1735
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 2: for explaining that.

1736
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 6: There's a lot going on there's a lot going on.

1737
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 2: Yes, speaking of a lot going on, let's go ahead

1738
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 2: and get to medi on Surrounded. All right, guys, so

1739
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:54,440
Speaker 2: some pretty interesting moments as Mehdi Hassan went on jubilee

1740
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 2: their show called Surrounded. The title here on YouTube is

1741
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 2: one progressive versus twenty far right conservatives featuring Meddie Hassen

1742
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 2: and far right. Certainly, I don't even think that does

1743
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,879
Speaker 2: justice to the ideology that some of these people espoused.

1744
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,759
Speaker 2: Case in point, this dude right here, Let's take a listen.

1745
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 17: How would Conna's America look What would it look like?

1746
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 13: Well, quite frankly, I think we would deport people who

1747
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 13: shouldn't be voting. What does the government look like?

1748
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 1: Would the government look like? I would say, quite frankly,

1749
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: it's under a sort of benevolent leader such as why

1750
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: does it could be a kind of aristocratic class, could

1751
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: be someone.

1752
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 17: Who mixed the autocrat, not frankly the people.

1753
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 13: I mean, we could hold a vote on it kings democracy, Well,

1754
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 13: sure you can have a vote to get to that

1755
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 13: and normal votes off towards absolutely, and if.

1756
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 17: That ultocrat kills you in your family, you'll find with that.

1757
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 1: Well I'm not I'm not going to be a part

1758
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 1: of the group that he kills, because that's the whole thing.

1759
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 8: Tend to kill.

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Speaker 13: Everyone makes this point very well in his work. It's

1761
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 13: the friend enemy distinction, right. The Nazi theoretician, absolutely, I

1762
01:27:59,320 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 13: don't care.

1763
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 17: Are you found of the Nazis?

1764
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,679
Speaker 1: I don't. I frankly don't care being called the Nazis.

1765
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 17: I didn't say that. I didn't actually say that. I said,

1766
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 17: are you a fan of the Nazis?

1767
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: Well, they persecuted the church a little bit. I'm not

1768
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 1: a fan of that.

1769
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 17: But what about the persecution of the Jews?

1770
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 13: Well, I mean, I certainly don't support anyone's human dignity

1771
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 13: being assaulted.

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01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 19: I'm a Catholic, But you don't condemn Nazi persecution of

1773
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 19: the Jews.

1774
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,799
Speaker 1: I think that there was a little bit of persecution

1775
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 1: this show because you.

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01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,520
Speaker 17: Were a little bit more than a far right Republican.

1777
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 1: Hey, what can I say?

1778
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:31,759
Speaker 17: I think you say I'm a fascist?

1779
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am, absolutely.

1780
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 19: I'm just checking who's clapping, just to get my set

1781
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 19: where everyone comes.

1782
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, so where do I find these people? I don't know?

1783
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 2: I mean, and some of them you'll recognize from other

1784
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 2: episodes like this Blonde check. I've definitely seen before in

1785
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 2: other episodes as well, But I mean I watched, I

1786
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 2: watched the whole thing.

1787
01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 6: That's crazy.

1788
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 5: You really got enjoyed it.

1789
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 2: Many did, I mean many did a great job, and

1790
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 2: there were some weird moments too, where like some of

1791
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 2: these people would come up, especially on Gaza actually, and

1792
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 2: they would be like, I don't even disagree with you,

1793
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 2: It's like.

1794
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 5: What are we doing here?

1795
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 2: And then other ones would just be like, yeah, I'm

1796
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 2: a fascist and I think he should die, and it's

1797
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 2: like what are we doing here? You know, it's just

1798
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 2: like yeah, So my question for you, Yeah, this guy,

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01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 2: I mean this guy people online or apparently as an

1800
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 2: online persona, they're saying like he's a groper, meaning he's

1801
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 2: like a fan or follower of Nick Fuentez obviously, you know,

1802
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 2: happy to be called a Nazi or fascist or whatever,

1803
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 2: doesn't care and follows like Nazi thinkers and whatever. Like right,

1804
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 2: how significant is this strain with young Republicans in particular.

1805
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 4: It's a good question. I mean, I think this is

1806
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 4: it's not representative of like an average kid by any means,

1807
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 4: or an average like twenty something by any means. It

1808
01:29:56,280 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 4: is something that if for people who spend a lot

1809
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 4: of time in like the online fever swamps. The way

1810
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 4: that I think about it is there's now this almost

1811
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 4: like architecture, Like there's this mental architecture, like him invoking

1812
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 4: Karl Schmidt out of basically nowhere in that conversation with Mehdi.

1813
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 6: It's such a tell that he's part of.

1814
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 2: The Like he wants to say that he was dying

1815
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,799
Speaker 2: from Mehdi to be like you're a Nazi, yeah, because he's.

1816
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 5: Like, I don't care if you call me Nazi. He's like,

1817
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 5: I didn't even say that, right, said are you a

1818
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 5: fan of the Nazis?

1819
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 8: Right?

1820
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:33,639
Speaker 5: He was dying.

1821
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 2: He was so happy to have his little moment where like, yeah,

1822
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 2: you can call me a fascist and things. It's like

1823
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 2: hilarious and everyone in the room is laughing and applauding

1824
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 2: that yeah.

1825
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1826
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 4: And so it's there's always going to be a component

1827
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 4: that of like of the right that's like fascy, There's

1828
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 4: always going to be a component of it. There's always

1829
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 4: going to be like mouth breathing, fringe conspiracy theory, adult

1830
01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 4: weirdos like that's always going to be a part of

1831
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 4: basically any political movement. And on the right it tends

1832
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 4: in the direction of like ultra reactionary fascism. So the

1833
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 4: question that I have, and I don't have a perfect

1834
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 4: answer to it, but the question I have is is

1835
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 4: it growing or is it just that they now have

1836
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 4: this kind of mental architecture where they can they have

1837
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 4: like Carl Schmidt and they're ready to say for an

1838
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 4: enemy distinction because they've read all of the viral threads.

1839
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 4: And there are people who are sort of thought leaders.

1840
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 4: Because the Internet, you don't have to like gather in

1841
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 4: some type of like weird bar after closing and have

1842
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 4: these like meetings of like fringe weirdos.

1843
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 6: You can do it on the Internet now.

1844
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 4: And there are people who are like national like Nick

1845
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 4: Funt does, yeah, somebody who talks about this type of stuff,

1846
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 4: And so there's just a more is more obvious and

1847
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 4: more visible. I definitely worry that our elites are leading

1848
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,759
Speaker 4: us into position where more and more people are tempted

1849
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 4: by fascism or anarchism or any fringe like frankly communism,

1850
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 4: because people are so desperate and upset.

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01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 6: This kid, though he looks like a normal middle class

1852
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 6: dude who just is.

1853
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, like what's your excuse, buddy.

1854
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's you know, as much as I want

1855
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 4: to trash Jubilee or whatever the hell it's called, Surrounded,

1856
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 4: whatever it is.

1857
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's the channenge you believe that this show

1858
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 2: is surrounded.

1859
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 4: Something interesting about it is that it does force them

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01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 4: to play out this experiment in the real world instead

1861
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 4: of on the Internet. And like, yes, I get that

1862
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 4: it's being broadcast on the internet in its kind of

1863
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 4: meta sense, but to have the conversation in person with

1864
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 4: somebody who disagrees with you, your thoughts are tested in real time.

1865
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 4: And you just saw that he obviously hasn't considered whether

1866
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 4: he will be put into it one of his little camps, right,

1867
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 4: and he thinks, no, I'll be okay.

1868
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:55,679
Speaker 5: I'll be okay, little thought experiment.

1869
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 4: Many people have thought that they would not end up

1870
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 4: in the camp, sir. That's the story of the last century.

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01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 5: I've got more for you.

1872
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 2: So this is in the immigration portion, and just you know,

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01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 2: background knowledge here. Mehdi is an American citizen. He is

1874
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 2: a naturalized American citizen. And one of the Jubilee guys

1875
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 2: is like, you need to get the hell out.

1876
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 5: Let's take a.

1877
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 17: Listen to understanding economics because you can't explain I'm wrong.

1878
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 19: I'm telling you how you're wrong, because you're ignoring the

1879
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 19: fact that when immigrants come into an area, they spend money,

1880
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 19: they create jobs, they spend.

1881
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 17: That's a good thing.

1882
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 19: Also, because you don't like us a foreign aid, so

1883
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:31,719
Speaker 19: this is the point they create job.

1884
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 17: Into this country. So far, everyone of my assumptions about

1885
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 17: you as being correct, listen to me. I am an immigrant.

1886
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 17: I'm speaking for us experience. I don't even like I

1887
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 17: should get the hell out. Yes, why I don't want

1888
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 17: you're here?

1889
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 13: Why because you come here and say all this bullshit

1890
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 13: about how Americans are lazy, you push your left Americans.

1891
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 19: Americans come into this country so they can do jobs

1892
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 19: that we don't want to do.

1893
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 20: That.

1894
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 17: Why do you guys watching.

1895
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 19: On YouTube rewind to the time where I said immigrants

1896
01:33:59,040 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 19: are doing jobs we don't want to do.

1897
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 17: When do I say those words out of my mouth?

1898
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 1: Why do we have to bring in immurt suit country

1899
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: if we have people who are.

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01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:06,879
Speaker 17: Going to do the jobs.

1901
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:10,680
Speaker 7: Pause, you've been voted out.

1902
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 19: Nice to you, You're going to have to go.

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01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 17: Bro, is what he said as I left to an

1904
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 17: American citizen. Good good to know.

1905
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 2: And yet to your point, Emily, you know these this

1906
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:27,600
Speaker 2: sort of validates like the worst caricature of what democrats

1907
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 2: or liberals or leftist or whoever would say about the

1908
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 2: right of Like oh, you're pretending you just want secure borders.

1909
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 2: Really you just want in white death, no state, and

1910
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:37,799
Speaker 2: you hate brown people, and you think even a naturalized

1911
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 2: citizen like Medi Hassan.

1912
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 5: Should be should go bro, And this guy's like yes.

1913
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 2: And I think that's what's very different about today is

1914
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 2: that like you can go on Twitter and see this

1915
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:54,560
Speaker 2: sentiment expressed like routinely out in the open, with support

1916
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 2: with you know, prominent online media figures who will bolster

1917
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 2: the case with these like pseudo intellectual arguments that are

1918
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 2: being made, whether it's the Curtis Yarvins of the world

1919
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 2: or whoever. And I think Richard Hanania himself a he

1920
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 2: claims former Eugenesis, I would say there's questions there.

1921
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 8: Awesome.

1922
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 2: In any case, I think he actually explained it well

1923
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 2: as he called it, like the based loop or something

1924
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 2: like that, where it's like you just keep going further

1925
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 2: and further and the test is saying the most outrageous

1926
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 2: things and not getting offended by it, and you know,

1927
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 2: whoever can sort of like survive that test gets the

1928
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:36,679
Speaker 2: most cloud credence, like countercultural vibes on the Internet.

1929
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 4: Well, there's a very obvious, I think, in sad reality

1930
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 4: to that, which is social media has completely gamified our

1931
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:49,919
Speaker 4: politics and our culture and literally these Twitter was designed

1932
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 4: like a casino, and so when we are communicating, whether

1933
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 4: as journalists or as politicians or as members of the

1934
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 4: public sort of gauging in civic debate quote unquote, it's

1935
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 4: all like gamified in a way that is playing on

1936
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 4: our neurological structures. It's not it's actually incredibly messed up.

1937
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 4: How little we think about what this has done to us,

1938
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 4: because posting is you're posting about your personal life, you're

1939
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 4: posting about politics, you're posting about another human being. This

1940
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 4: we could have an entire conversation about the Coldplay concert

1941
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 4: when it comes to all of this, but you're.

1942
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 6: Maximizing retweets and likes.

1943
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 4: That's literally like casino behavior for politics and culture.

1944
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 6: And of course it was.

1945
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 4: Inevitably going to change the way that we talk to

1946
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 4: each other in real life.

1947
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:44,839
Speaker 6: It doesn't just stay on the Internet.

1948
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 4: And so I actually think this is answering the question

1949
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 4: that we were just talking about a little bits, whether

1950
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 4: this is getting better or worse, or whether it's staying

1951
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 4: the same, you know, whether we have the same number

1952
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 4: of fringe people, or whether it's getting worse. I think

1953
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 4: probably it is getting worse to some extent. And what

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01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 4: I saw in that conversation was a little bit different

1955
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 4: than like white ethnopolitics. To me, that was this new

1956
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 4: argument that you hear from Trump world when.

1957
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 6: You bring in a bunch of.

1958
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Speaker 4: People from different countries like Europe, places where hatred of

1959
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 4: America or mockery of America.

1960
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Speaker 5: Is common medic in the UK.

1961
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Speaker 4: Right, right, But that's the new Like, that's JD. Vance

1962
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Speaker 4: going to Europe and saying like this is the way

1963
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Speaker 4: that you guys have your free speech. And obviously it's

1964
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Speaker 4: hypocritical coming from JD. Vance, But that's what I saw

1965
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Speaker 4: in that argument was this idea that like, it doesn't

1966
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 4: behoove America to bring people in who hate America. But

1967
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 4: it's just like he didn't have Medi saying that he

1968
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 4: hated America. He was just assuming Meddi thought Americans were

1969
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 4: lazy because he had different positions on immigration.

1970
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well right, And that's where the fundamental hipocracy of

1971
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:57,640
Speaker 2: the Jdvans thing like connecting it to this is like,

1972
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure this guy may also be like, oh,

1973
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 2: I believe in free speech. It's like, yeah, but you

1974
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 2: have decided that Mehdi should be denaturalized and deported because

1975
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Speaker 2: he has differing political views.

1976
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Speaker 5: Then you like literally.

1977
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Speaker 2: Just on the basis of this, he's like you come

1978
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Speaker 2: in and spout this garbage, is like he and then

1979
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Speaker 2: make and then he makes up things that Mehti didn't

1980
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Speaker 2: even say in the context of this debate.

1981
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 4: Because it's a strong It's the internet, straw man, and

1982
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 4: this is what it does to our brains. And this

1983
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 4: is why it's really frustrating sometimes the feedback that we

1984
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 4: get on this show, especially and I'm sure you get

1985
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 4: from the left, I get it from the right, but

1986
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 4: like the feedback we get sometimes, to me, it's frustrated

1987
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 4: because people who don't do what we do all the time,

1988
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,519
Speaker 4: where we're talking to each other literally every day on

1989
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Speaker 4: things that we disagree with on have these I think

1990
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Speaker 4: straw man ideas that social media encourages us to construct

1991
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Speaker 4: of people who disagree with us, and unless you are

1992
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Speaker 4: putting in a lot of time, which is hard to do.

1993
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 4: But like, unless you are putting a lot of time,

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Speaker 4: we're lucky. Like that's why I consider myself lucky to

1995
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 4: be able to do this. Yeah, it's those start to

1996
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 4: crumble when you have actual conversations and so I guess.

1997
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Speaker 2: Good on, you believe this worthy exactly, caricature is completely

1998
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 2: validated and they're like, yes, I am that internet nazi fascist,

1999
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 2: but I am.

2000
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Speaker 4: His caricature of Mehti was incorrect, right, And that's like, yeah,

2001
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 4: I mean, Mehdi is somebody who if we didn't do

2002
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,680
Speaker 4: this show, I would probably have a caricature of but

2003
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 4: we had many on a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 6: And it's it's hard to maintain.

2005
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 4: Those charricatures when you're doing it every single day and

2006
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 4: you're actually talking to people and having reasonable conversations. And

2007
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Speaker 4: so I think that's one of the problems with the

2008
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Speaker 4: online discourse is that the algorithms force us into caricaturing

2009
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 4: and straw manning because that's.

2010
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 6: Validates our priors.

2011
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 4: It's the confirmation bias that makes virality possible, and when

2012
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Speaker 4: you have to actually have these conversations in real life,

2013
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Speaker 4: it's a lot harder even for him, uh, the first

2014
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Speaker 4: Nazi boy talking about Carl Schmidt, it was a lot

2015
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 4: harder for him to even maintain his own argument, the

2016
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 4: caricature of himself, because he would.

2017
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Speaker 2: End up in a damn camp, right, someone's going.

2018
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Speaker 6: To the camps. Doesn't matter how much Carl Schmidt they've read.

2019
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Speaker 2: So one of the assertions that Mehdi, you have to

2020
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 2: come in with, like these are my claims, you know.

2021
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 2: One of the claims Medi made in the context of

2022
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:20,679
Speaker 2: this debate was that Trump's plan for Gaza is ethnic cleansing.

2023
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:23,600
Speaker 2: And this was one of the ones where actually a

2024
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 2: number of the people who came up and wanted to

2025
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 2: debate with him did not actually disagree with him, which

2026
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 2: was also kind of interesting. And you're like, okay, why, like,

2027
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Speaker 2: well Trump used the word clean. I mean, it's just

2028
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 2: like it's sort of impossible to argue number one. But

2029
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Speaker 2: number two is also indicative perhaps of some of the

2030
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 2: ways that the Young Right is different on this issue

2031
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 2: of us it different than others. But they did have

2032
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Speaker 2: one guy who came in and was, you know, making

2033
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:54,839
Speaker 2: some not great points about how basically everyone in Gaza

2034
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Speaker 2: is Hamas and they all deserve to die.

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Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

2036
01:40:58,400 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 21: You gotta let me finish.

2037
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,679
Speaker 19: No, you get on the question fourth time when he's ready,

2038
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 19: snipers get Palestinian children in the head running aut of time.

2039
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:06,719
Speaker 19: I need to know what you think about innocent children.

2040
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Speaker 19: What you said was pretty outrageous. You said innocent Palestinians

2041
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 19: for the fifth time. When Palestinian children are shot in

2042
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Speaker 19: the head by Israeli snipers, that's not the.

2043
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 17: Fault of Israeli snipers. What did why did they tell me?

2044
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:20,360
Speaker 17: Did the children do have to be shot in there?

2045
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Speaker 21: Because the problem is, you know, millions of people are watching.

2046
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:26,200
Speaker 21: You say they just watching children. They start brainwashing children

2047
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 21: at a very long gay young.

2048
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Speaker 19: So you support exact sping children in Gaza. Look to

2049
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 19: other people here support sniping children in Gaza? Is that

2050
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:34,839
Speaker 19: a conservative position?

2051
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 22: Now?

2052
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 1: What if they're varying good suicide burst?

2053
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:39,600
Speaker 17: They weren't, But what if they are they're not?

2054
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 12: Though?

2055
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 19: What if children I have friends who doctors, went to

2056
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:45,960
Speaker 19: American doctors, they came back as multiple children.

2057
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 21: What if they're helping killing you and your family?

2058
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:51,560
Speaker 17: A ten year old chid, ain't year old chid? A

2059
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:52,320
Speaker 17: six year old child?

2060
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Speaker 21: Because because you're sitting on their brainwash television.

2061
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 19: There are millions of people are going to see your

2062
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 19: neighbors and friends kill.

2063
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 21: Millions of people don't know what's going on.

2064
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 19: Even your fellow right wingers are saying, don't go this

2065
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 19: far genocide.

2066
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:08,760
Speaker 17: Sure, but don't.

2067
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 21: People don't understand the brainwashing that is going on in

2068
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 21: his Islamic Republic and in Palestine to create there with.

2069
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 19: It ran so much that you're supporting the killing of

2070
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 19: Palestine children who never harmed you or any other Israeli

2071
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 19: that's insane.

2072
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Speaker 2: And that guy himself is Iranian and so which you know,

2073
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:29,600
Speaker 2: I guess helps inform where what he's thinking about in

2074
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 2: this debate.

2075
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:31,240
Speaker 6: But you said he was Zoro.

2076
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:36,720
Speaker 5: That's that personally confirmed. I don't want to tell you, but.

2077
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Speaker 2: I think to your point about you know, if you

2078
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 2: have to exist in any sort of reality and you're

2079
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 2: still trying to toe the line for everything Israel does

2080
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 2: is totally and completely justified, you're gonna end up looking

2081
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 2: like a genocidal maniac, as this fool ultimately ends up

2082
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 2: looking at the hands of Benny.

2083
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 4: You know, one of the things I think bothers me

2084
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 4: about the format here is that they do kind of

2085
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 4: mimic social media in the sense with the red flags like.

2086
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 6: You've been voted out.

2087
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 4: Whatever it's it's gamified in and of itself, because I

2088
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:09,600
Speaker 4: was thinking during that conversation how much more interesting it

2089
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,280
Speaker 4: would have been without the chaos of like the flags.

2090
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 6: Waving and people cheering, because.

2091
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 4: You could really see how Medie was working through uh

2092
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 4: the debate. I mean, he literally wrote a book about

2093
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 4: how to win arguments, right, Meddi wrote a book about

2094
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 4: how to win arguments.

2095
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 6: I mean few years ago.

2096
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:26,360
Speaker 2: I don't care how you feel about many Meddi is

2097
01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:31,559
Speaker 2: a very smart and very skilled presenter, debater, interviewer. I

2098
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 2: think he is truly one of the most talented like

2099
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 2: people in that genre out there.

2100
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:39,640
Speaker 4: He's good what he does, and so going on an

2101
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,599
Speaker 4: episode of Surrounded with Mehdi is going to be a mistake.

2102
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:44,520
Speaker 6: If you aren't just like an Internet.

2103
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:47,799
Speaker 4: Strollin you might think you're.

2104
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 6: Gonna win hip.

2105
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:51,640
Speaker 4: You're not going It's not gonna go well for you.

2106
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 2: I believe, I believe twenty what do they call him?

2107
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 2: Far right conservatives found that out in real time, and.

2108
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 4: Meddi said, because someone Quoteta and said, Jubilee invited by

2109
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 4: Nazis and Meddi Hasse went, yeah, sure, I'm going to

2110
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 4: go debate them, and Mehdi said, to be fair to me,

2111
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 4: that's not how the debate was sold to me. You

2112
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 4: can see my shock when they expressed they start expressing

2113
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 4: their views openly, and it's something similar happened. I'm trying

2114
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 4: to remember who was Oh it was Jordan Peterson. Remember

2115
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 4: they sold the debaters as a Christian versus atheist and

2116
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 4: Jordan Peterson's not a Christian.

2117
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 6: This happened like a month ago.

2118
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 2: Right, they had to change the YouTube title, yes, because

2119
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:28,560
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be one Christian versus twenty atheists.

2120
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 6: Right.

2121
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 2: And then he's immediately like, they're like, wait, he wouldn't

2122
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 2: say he's a Christian? No, I mean, and ever something

2123
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 2: he does, he like won't actually say what he believes

2124
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 2: and be direct about it, right because he doesn't know it.

2125
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 5: Was a mess.

2126
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, because he doesn't know.

2127
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 4: So anyway, what a what an experience those those young

2128
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 4: kids had with Many and Zorro.

2129
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 5: Friends were made, enemies were made.

2130
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 6: And the friend enemy distinction was Yeah, it happens.

2131
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2132
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 4: So I think, answering the question we started with, I

2133
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:07,840
Speaker 4: do think some of the French stuff is getting worse.

2134
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:10,759
Speaker 4: I think there are probably more people that are interested

2135
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 4: in a version of like, for example, there are probably

2136
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:19,680
Speaker 4: people who are attracted to Zoramumdani's ideas in ways that

2137
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 4: I think would probably go in a frightening direction where

2138
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 4: they tested out. I don't think that's representative of the

2139
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:29,600
Speaker 4: Zoramumdani movement in any way whatsoever. I think that's representative

2140
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 4: people being desperate and our elites being terrible.

2141
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 6: Now on the right, I.

2142
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 2: Just, I just I'm not saying you're necessarily but I

2143
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 2: just made the distinction. I don't think there is anything.

2144
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 6: There's no equivalent, equivalent like.

2145
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 2: Let's have free buses and being like I'm a.

2146
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 6: Nazi, of course not.

2147
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:48,680
Speaker 4: No, I'm just trying to say I think there are

2148
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:52,680
Speaker 4: people being people are being pulled in like populist directions,

2149
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 4: and sometimes when people are pulled in a populist direction,

2150
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 4: it goes really really wrong, and people get Because people

2151
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 4: are being pulled in populist directions in good ways, like

2152
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 4: the media is awful, you're being lied to. That opens

2153
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:10,800
Speaker 4: up space for people who say, correctly, everyone is lying

2154
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:14,599
Speaker 4: to you, listen to me, and those people will often

2155
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 4: lie to you, and so I think that it actually

2156
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 4: is really dangerous, and I think it's one of the

2157
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 4: most frustrating things about the obsession with just recycling, like

2158
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 4: Andrew Puomo or Republicans, like having no answer to Donald

2159
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 4: Trump other than we're all maga Republicans now, as they say,

2160
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 4: like that is really dangerous because you're not actually answering

2161
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 4: anybody's problems, you're not actually solving anybody's problems. You're just

2162
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 4: putting a sort of charismatic person in front of them.

2163
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:46,760
Speaker 4: And again, I'm not drawing an equivalence between Zoran and

2164
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 4: Donald Trump. I'm just saying that's what happens when you

2165
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 4: don't answer populism.

2166
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 6: It ends up like making people more and more desperate.

2167
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:56,800
Speaker 4: And as people get more and more desperate, they say

2168
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:58,719
Speaker 4: insane things like this. But one of the weird things,

2169
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 4: not weird things. These people all seem perfectly like they

2170
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:06,719
Speaker 4: should be well adjusted, right, And that's like, that's we're

2171
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 4: being poisoned by social media and these algorithms.

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Speaker 6: And true, it's really what a time to be alive?

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Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, speaking of what a time to be alive,

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Speaker 2: Israel routinely violating seasfire and southern Lebanon barely makes news

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Speaker 2: because of so many other things that are going on

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Speaker 2: with even Israel specifically, the drop site has a great

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Speaker 2: report for us.

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Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and get to that.

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Speaker 2: We have an important report courtesy of our friends over

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Speaker 2: at drop Site. So despite agreeing to a ceasefire with

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Speaker 2: Hesbela in November twenty twenty four, Israel has repeatedly violated

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Speaker 2: the terms of that agreement. News coverage has focused a

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Speaker 2: lot on israel strikes on Syria and Iron and starvation

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Speaker 2: of Gaza, understandably, but the conflict in Lebanon is also

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Speaker 2: still ongoing. In the seasfire agreement, Hasbela agreed to withdraw

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Speaker 2: north of the Latani River in southern Lebanon and Israel

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Speaker 2: agreed to withdraw their forces. Now, Israel has not actually

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Speaker 2: withdrawn all their forces and they have continued bomm Lebanon

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Speaker 2: on a semi regular basis. Last month, Drop Site sent

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Speaker 2: journalists Jeremy Lefredo to southern Lebanon to report on the

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Speaker 2: status of the ceasefire there.

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Speaker 5: Now you might remember Jeremy.

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Speaker 2: He's the American freelance journalist who was arrested and jailed

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Speaker 2: by Israel for reporting on iron strikes there on the ground,

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Speaker 2: he continues to face charges inside of Israel. It is

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Speaker 2: exceedingly difficult for journalists to be able to reach southern

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Speaker 2: Lebanon at this point, but Jeremy was actually able to

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Speaker 2: get access and he filed this report from Iida al Shab,

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Speaker 2: a southern Lebanese town reduced to rubble and forcibly emptied

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Speaker 2: by Israeli strikes and systemic demolitions, not during the conflict,

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Speaker 2: but following the supposed ceasefire. As Jeremy demonstrates with this report,

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Speaker 2: less than one thousand yards away from Aida al Shab,

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Speaker 2: Israeli forces still occupied mountaintop positions inside of Lebanon, surveilling

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Speaker 2: that town and firing on anything that resembles reconstruction. Here

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Speaker 2: is Jeremy's report from Ida, where he is in converse

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Speaker 2: station with a Lebanese journalist named Mohammed Klight who helped

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Speaker 2: him to be able to get there.

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Speaker 22: So this is Aita Shah. It's a bordering town between

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Speaker 22: northern occupied Palisa and Lebanon. It's like one kilometer away

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Speaker 22: from the nearest Israeli outposts. Israel insisted on totally destroying

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Speaker 22: this town and making it unhabitable. In two thousand and six,

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Speaker 22: this town and the people who were fighting in it,

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Speaker 22: they stood steady to resist the Israeli occupation and it

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Speaker 22: is really advancement towards the town took the spotlight during

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Speaker 22: the two thousand and six war, and as you can see,

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Speaker 22: there's nothing left. The houses are either totally destroyed or

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Speaker 22: partially destroyed lower lower the camera as a military checkpoint.

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Speaker 22: They entered it, they occupied it, they were targeting, targeting

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Speaker 22: it with bombardment, with with earth strikes, with shelling like

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Speaker 22: tank shells, and when they occupied the land on foot,

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Speaker 22: they made sure like during the ceasefire, to destroy everything.

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Speaker 22: They planted the bombs inside the houses, like those houses

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Speaker 22: as you see on the hilltop. They also appear in

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Speaker 22: the videos off the Israeli military when they are like

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Speaker 22: drone footage when they are blowing up the entire neighborhood.

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Speaker 22: As I remember, this excavator was targeted on the first

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Speaker 22: few days when people returned. They were trying to remove

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Speaker 22: the rubble, but then.

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Speaker 7: It was targeted.

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Speaker 22: It's part of the Israeli policy not to allow any

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Speaker 22: type of construction or reconstruction in the town, so you

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Speaker 22: could find like excavators.

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Speaker 8: And trucks just.

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Speaker 22: Parked on the side of the road, left alone. Even

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Speaker 22: like the houses, like small houses that are portable houses,

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Speaker 22: they were also targeted by Israel. No one is allowed

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Speaker 22: to come back. When people came back here, they found

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Speaker 22: a lot of uh that husband love fighters under the rubble.

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Speaker 18: They kept on digging.

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Speaker 22: Every time like they reached a house, they started digging,

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Speaker 22: they would find one or two hysb loave fighters like

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Speaker 22: that sign says the right that we're present in every

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Speaker 22: area and we won't leave our weapon.

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Speaker 4: That sounds really all close.

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Speaker 10: Up up there on the two.

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Speaker 23: I think that's the new one. I think that's another one.

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Speaker 8: Fun you see it, m.

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Speaker 23: It's uh, it's very close.

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Speaker 20: line of the Australia.

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Speaker 8: Who who to say.

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Speaker 20: Or killed hen and d hotterwom this man did?

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Speaker 2: Ship All right, guys, thank you so much for watching today.

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Speaker 2: Ryan will actually be in tomorrow and hopefully Sager will

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Speaker 2: be back. He's uh, his family is sick, baby everybody.

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Speaker 5: They're going through it, baby bug.

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Speaker 2: That's right, no fun, no fun in any case, Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for watching and we will see you soon.