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Speaker 1: All right, Rob G, let's start here. We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: to the NFL. A new coach in Baltimore. Oh, mentor

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Speaker 1: we got some takes on that one. We got a

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Speaker 1: lot of different stuff to talk about, but we're gonna

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Speaker 1: start with the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Rob G in San Francisco.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they're not very good. We know that they

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Speaker 4: got blown out. Jimmy Butler down for the year with

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Speaker 4: an ACL probably half of next year or two.

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Speaker 3: We don't know what's going on. Wells, you can get

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Speaker 3: his hair done during that time.

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Speaker 4: Steph Curry may or may not be on the block,

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Speaker 4: depending who you talked to. But one thing that we

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Speaker 4: do know for sure is that Steve her He's currently

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Speaker 4: on the last year of his deal in Golden State,

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Speaker 4: and The Ringer reported earlier on Thursday that multiple assistants

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Speaker 4: on that Golden State staff are working under the assumption

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Speaker 4: that Steve Kerr is out at the end of the season,

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Speaker 4: no matter what happens. So the last dance as it were,

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Speaker 4: with Steve Kerr, Steph Curry, Draymond Green in that group.

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Speaker 1: All right, Bravo, bravo, do not give Steve Kerr a

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Speaker 1: new contract, no contract extension.

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Speaker 3: This well has run dry. I'm ready to move on

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Speaker 3: from Steve Kerr.

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Speaker 1: He got your four championships, but can we talk about

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Speaker 1: some of the stuff he didn't do?

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Speaker 3: Was that develop young players? I can't argue.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Remember when he got Weisman. There's

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Speaker 1: a list of young players that never got developed. Look

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Speaker 1: at what he did with Kaminga, what he's done to

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Speaker 1: beat me to it. He's another guy. Look at what

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Speaker 1: he did with Draymond Green, turned him into a monster.

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Speaker 1: And the bottom line remains that you got all you

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Speaker 1: can get out of Steve Kerr. And I'll tell you this,

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to say that if he didn't, if Mark

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Speaker 1: Jackson didn't start with those young guys, where would this

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Speaker 1: Warriors team be? They might not beat the team that

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Speaker 1: they are now because he hasn't developed anybody, and they

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Speaker 1: should really right now at this point be in a

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Speaker 1: add those guys to the mix, you thought, oh man,

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Speaker 3: You work those other guys in.

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Speaker 1: You haven't seen high the hair of those other players

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Speaker 1: that Steve Kerk got in those situations.

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Speaker 3: I'm not not Hall of Fame coach.

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Speaker 1: They won four champion I get all that he did

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Speaker 1: his role up with the Bulls. He was great there

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Speaker 1: not trying to take away of his career, but sometimes

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Speaker 1: there's an ending to a story, and to me, the

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Speaker 5: I know they want to do the last dance together

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Speaker 3: The war right, But what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is the Warriors themselves could say

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Speaker 5: I could absolutely see that happening. But it's it's I'm talking.

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Speaker 5: I'm okay with the time. You had a great run.

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Speaker 5: He's been having health issues the last few years, with

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Speaker 3: It's okay to move on.

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Speaker 5: And he looks like he's miserable by the way the

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Speaker 5: last season and a half he's looked miserable. They don't

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Speaker 5: look he should look miserable, and I just I'm okay

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Speaker 5: with him moving on. And again We've talked about this

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just time to move.

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Speaker 1: Phil Jackson won six championship and they said this your

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Speaker 1: Your exactly hand And Michael Jordan said, if Phil comes back,

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Speaker 3: And they know what. They said the whole last dance

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Speaker 1: Tim Floyd that came afterwards. Yeah, yeah, they were like, no,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they missed on that one. They ain't been right since.

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Speaker 3: But they were done.

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Speaker 1: They didn't want They didn't want Phil Jackson anymore. They

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, I don't think it's necessarily beef like that was.

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Speaker 5: But I think and if they understand it, it's okay

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Speaker 5: to move on. We're gonna have to get you, I think,

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Speaker 5: if you're gonna have to hit.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at it, they they just did

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Speaker 5: They had they had the core of weissman Pool, Uh

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Speaker 5: who else was it coming at that time too? Kaminga

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Speaker 1: That's what everybody thought, that they would be a continuation,

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Speaker 3: You would have a longer ride. Exactly. Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: So it's okay they got another great ring in twenty

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Speaker 5: We won during with KD, and we won after KD.

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Speaker 5: They can hang their hat on that. Yeah, But the

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Speaker 5: two days they won with KD. That's what made them different.

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Speaker 5: Why I don't disagree. I'm saying for them to save.

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Speaker 1: People, act like like they would be considered the same

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Speaker 1: if they didn't win those two without KD.

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Speaker 5: We can have a whole nother thirty minutes on. KD

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Speaker 5: saved them, he did. Their legacy was saved by KD.

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Speaker 3: Freak.

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Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody said, because they had choked

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Speaker 1: Lebron started my Space, but they added KD and they

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Lebron And and Kyrie had Kdner.

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Speaker 3: They had no answer for that. They did not. They

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Speaker 3: were only gonna get better, all right.

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Speaker 1: Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven, seven, nine, nine,

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Speaker 1: six sixty three sixty nine to Steve Kerr. Need to

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Speaker 1: retire after the season. If I'm the Warriors, no more deal,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. I'm gonna throw confetti in your hair.

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Speaker 1: Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Speaker 3: Eight nine on Fix. We could we couldn't have one

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Speaker 5: I wanted to smoke. Okay, I still don't like that

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Speaker 3: I don't. Okay. I'm in fired twenty times, so I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they told me don't let the door hit

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Speaker 3: Not every time. It's like maybe twelve out of the twenty.

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Speaker 3: What you think, nah? All twelve twenty. Everywhere I work

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, you know, I mean Antonio. Ever since Thumbgate,

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Speaker 6: Do you remember when they fired Tom Thibodeaux. I remember

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Speaker 1: But here's the reason why I thought the firing was justified.

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Speaker 6: If you're up fourteen, we're two minutes ago, and you

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Speaker 3: You know what you.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Billy, we don't get We don't give

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Speaker 6: You can go down the street, Mark, you can go

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Speaker 3: Nobody knows who that is. Nobody knows who that is.

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Speaker 6: Exactly, I know exactly. That's my point. But you know who,

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Speaker 5: Well, I was, That's one of the debates we had

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Speaker 6: I mean, my thing is, I feel like, if you

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Speaker 3: Well, so Phil Jackson didn't get to leave on his terms.

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Speaker 3: Sign him, Rob, Rob.

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Speaker 6: What you're doing is you're listening to respond. That's opposed

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Speaker 6: Have come through, right, So I don't I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Jim Floyd is going to be the coach and he's done.

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Speaker 6: I know that shows how that shows how crazy that

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Speaker 3: It was crazy how wild that was.

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Speaker 6: So with Steve Kerr again there is one hundred percent

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, we got to leave it there. A

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Speaker 5: D appreciate you as always a D.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna come on your show one day, you got

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Speaker 1: I gotta get on NBA radio.

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Speaker 3: Man me give me an hour.

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Speaker 6: Rob, send me a test message and tell me when

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Speaker 3: Let's smp it on, Let's do it. Let's get out on.

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Speaker 3: I need more time than ten minutes. You know what

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Speaker 6: I'm with you.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, it's post career talking a lot, doing shows, podcasts

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Speaker 5: how to start a team. Yeah, he has something to

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Speaker 5: say about the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know, they're going through

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Speaker 4: They don't got a head coach as far as you know,

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Speaker 4: they've got a quarterback and so there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: I think applies to a lot of teams in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: to three years. That's just just my opinion. The issue

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Speaker 7: that I see with a lot of teams is they

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Speaker 7: get a quarterback and they try and build around that quarterback.

443
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Speaker 7: I think it should be the other way around. I

444
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Speaker 7: think you should build a team and put your quarterback

445
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Speaker 7: in it. It happened to me. I had a great

446
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Speaker 7: football team. They plugged me in. We had a veteran group.

447
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Speaker 7: It just it works. It works better than trying to

448
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Speaker 7: grab a quarterback and be Okay, we're gonna build around

449
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Speaker 7: this quarterba, because then you're it's gonna take you four

450
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Speaker 7: or five years to build around that quarterback. He's probably

451
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Speaker 7: gonna look like pooh up to it, and then you're like,

452
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Speaker 7: is he really our guy? Is he not our guy?

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Speaker 5: That's the key part for me, robb Gie, that last

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Speaker 5: part right there, Well, I think if we all got

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Speaker 5: to Heaven and it would like replay life and be like,

456
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Speaker 5: what would have been like if this option aier? What

457
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Speaker 5: would have been like if I went down this? How

458
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Speaker 5: many quarterbacks aren't as bad as we thought they were.

459
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Speaker 5: I'm not saying everybody that, clearly some people just aren't good.

460
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Speaker 5: They maxed out in college, they peaked and all that,

461
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Speaker 5: but there's some that I just wondered they weren't as

462
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Speaker 5: bad as the situation they were in. Sam Darnold be

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Speaker 5: an example, right, not saying he's a Hall of Famer,

464
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Speaker 5: but he looks like a quality quarterback for the next

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Speaker 5: handful of years, right, Baker Mayfield in some situations. Bryce Young.

466
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Speaker 5: You know, if Bryce Young were to go and be

467
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Speaker 5: somewhere else, well we all said, go man. Bryce Young

468
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Speaker 5: actually pretty good, Like he was a Heisman winner, He

469
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Speaker 5: was good in college, has peaks and periods where he's

470
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Speaker 5: good now. And I look at that to to Ben

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Speaker 5: Roethlisberger's point, he was fortunate enough to come into a

472
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Speaker 5: situation defense, great running game. Great, you had Jerome Bettis,

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Speaker 5: you have fast Willie Parker, you have receivers, you have

474
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Speaker 5: a veteran presidence, you got a good coach, and Bill

475
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Speaker 5: Kywer Like he walked right into a good situation. Russell

476
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Speaker 5: Wilson walked right in leading the boom Bi Smoe running backs.

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Speaker 5: You got receivers, you walk in and all we need

478
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Speaker 5: you to be a big quality. Tom Brady. Tom Brady

479
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Speaker 5: was a sixth round pick, like we knew, okay, he

480
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Speaker 5: could play a little bit. Obviously. I saw him at Michigan.

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Speaker 5: You get in a good situation, Bledsoe goes down. You

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Speaker 5: get in and I'm just wondering. I'm more of his

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Speaker 5: linement of our thought process of building a team, establishing

484
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Speaker 5: a team. We got a team, we have what we are,

485
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Speaker 5: we have an identity. I like where we're going. We

486
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Speaker 5: got a guy come in and he's gonna be able

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Speaker 5: to grow with us and be good with us. First

488
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Speaker 5: is just trying to go get a number one pick,

489
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Speaker 5: and your team is trash, Your foundation is trashed, your

490
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Speaker 5: coaches are trashed, and you're scrambling. You don't know what

491
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Speaker 5: you're doing, and it's washed. Ridspeed over and over and over.

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Speaker 5: I much rather build up, and you see how the

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Speaker 5: Ravens have been able to do that over the years.

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Speaker 5: You see the Patriots now they're right back. They've done

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Speaker 5: and look at the teams in the final four right

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Speaker 5: now of the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Rams, go ahead, tell me, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Glad you said that. That's exactly what the Rams did.

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Speaker 5: I want to tell you how the Rams did that.

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Speaker 5: They built a team and they had Jared goff in there.

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Speaker 5: They go to the Super Bowl, they lose.

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Speaker 3: You know what they did.

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Speaker 5: They had a team and establishment they get Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 5: in the right back there and they're so argument.

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Speaker 3: By you and Ben Roethlisberg is ridiculous. It's done.

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Speaker 1: Tell us how okay, because most teams, and we talk

507
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Speaker 1: about NFL Sunday all the time that if you don't

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Speaker 1: have a quarterback, your season's over and you don't matter.

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Speaker 1: And you could talk about build your defense first. The

510
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Speaker 1: freaking New York Jets built the number five defense and

511
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Speaker 1: then they added their quarterback. What did it get them?

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Speaker 3: Nothing?

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Speaker 1: Because they didn't have the right quarterback. So they had

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Speaker 1: a good defense and they did exactly what he said.

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Speaker 1: Detexans aren't going to.

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Speaker 3: The Championship Round or have a chance to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: You know why because they didn't have quarterback play they

518
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Speaker 1: built the defense.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they had a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So and you can sit here and hand pick a

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Speaker 1: couple of situations and say, yeah, you should do it

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Speaker 1: this way if you do not have a quarterback, I

523
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Speaker 1: don't care about your defense. I do care, don't care

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Speaker 1: about your special teams, I don't care about your coach.

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Speaker 1: You will not win most times. The teams that have won.

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Speaker 1: And we talk about the Ravens and someone else with

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Speaker 1: the all time great defenses and a quarterback that doesn't

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Speaker 1: hurt you, but not a superstar quarterback, they have won.

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Speaker 1: There are different ways of building teams, but without a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow just showed up. He played six games, eight

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Speaker 1: games its first year. Did anybody think that, Rob Ge,

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Speaker 1: I'll ask you, did you think the Bengals were going

533
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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl when.

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow showed up? Do you remember.

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Speaker 1: Everybody told him, what, don't go there, don't go to

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Speaker 1: the Bengals. He went anyway, and guess what, he changed

537
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Speaker 1: everything overnight and he played eight games of rookie year,

538
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Speaker 1: went to the super Bowl the next year.

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Speaker 5: So I'm just telling you it ain't ain't did nothing since.

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Speaker 5: And they looked terrible, anthy j What Jets are you

541
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Speaker 5: talking about? You're talking about the Mark Sanchez Jets. We

542
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Speaker 5: know I'm talking about the Jets that built that defense.

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Speaker 5: When they went and they who is a Zach Wilson

544
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Speaker 5: where Roberts They had a number five defense.

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Speaker 3: So that team was built and you knew what they were.

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Speaker 1: Just like you just said, they didn't do anything, is

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying because they didn't have a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: They did not right.

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Speaker 5: So going back to what I'm saying, I can give

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Speaker 5: you example example of a guy against it. Let's go

551
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Speaker 5: let's go to Ben Roethlisberger where you don't know what

552
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Speaker 5: he's gonna be. Let's not act like he was the

553
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Speaker 5: guy coming in where we're like, that's the Don Dada,

554
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Speaker 5: that's the guy we've been waiting for.

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Speaker 3: This quarterback.

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Speaker 5: I know what Joe Barrow was going to be when

557
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Speaker 5: he got to Cincinnati. You didn't Joe Burrow was a

558
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Speaker 5: Heisman winner, were one of the greatest team, but you

559
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 5: did not know that to the Super Bowl has an

560
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Speaker 5: expectations from him. And what we have seen, including Tom Brady,

561
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Speaker 5: as teams that have have have been able to become

562
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Speaker 5: very good and thrived with guys that we didn't expect.

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Speaker 5: Russell Wilson was a third round pick. Tom Brady was

564
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Speaker 5: a sixth round pick. Patrick Mahomes was a second and

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Speaker 5: third round pick. So the guys who've actually had the

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Speaker 5: sustained success were not the Don dotas.

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Speaker 3: They were not the.

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Speaker 5: Guys you expected with If you look at the last

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five years of football, the guys who had

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Speaker 5: the long sustained successful those teams that had those four.

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Speaker 3: Or five pon Manning.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't count Peyton and Peyton Manning quarterback of a

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Speaker 5: couple of time. So what I'm saying is we've seen

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Speaker 5: the Ravens were had a handful of good years to

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Speaker 5: be good at Joe Flacco. What I'm saying is I'd

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Speaker 5: rather build a team to disagree and get it. And

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Speaker 5: that's fine.

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Speaker 3: I just went out.

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Speaker 1: A quarterback in this man's league. You don't have a

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Speaker 1: xt Is Bonex. Yeah he makes the play, Joe.

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Speaker 3: You don't. Guy like Sam don't have to be a

582
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Speaker 3: ton don't even like Sam do.

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Speaker 1: But my point is this idea that that's the way

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you the best example, which was the Jets.

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Speaker 3: I'm giving you the Texans, and I've they had a

586
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl that had a Super Bowl defense and guess

587
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Speaker 3: where they're going. They're home.

588
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Speaker 1: They're home already. They built their defense. You know what

589
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Speaker 1: they were the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 3: That's my point.

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Speaker 5: They built a great team, and now they have a

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Speaker 5: quarterback that is able to play his position with that team.

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Speaker 5: Bow Knicks ain't been amazing. He's been able to make plays.

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Speaker 5: You look at Seattle. They even had Geno Smith looking

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Speaker 5: all right because Geno Smith. Come on, Gino Smith, and

596
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Speaker 5: Gino Smith had the best completion ratio. He had an

597
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Speaker 5: unbelievable year. That Geno Smith leaves and then they go

598
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Speaker 5: get Sam McDonald. You call them and they mess around

599
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Speaker 5: and go have an amazing season and then a Super

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Speaker 5: Bowl odds been winning the favorite. So my point is,

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Speaker 5: I believe in what I see the last thirty years,

602
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Speaker 5: the guys who were had to sustain successful. Gadge Patrick,

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Speaker 5: I just gave you thirty years of football hockey when

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Speaker 5: he won.

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady can't even quarterback thirty years ago. Stop him.

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Speaker 5: If I can literally sit up here all day, quarterback

607
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Speaker 5: can And that's exactly my point, Tom Brady, I.

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Speaker 3: Want to quarter backack quarter give me my quarters. So

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Speaker 3: Wilson third Rod.

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Speaker 5: The guys who had the most been in one of

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Speaker 5: the most Super Bowls, the guys winning ten championship.

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Speaker 1: Guy, I need to win one. People, because you're trying

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Speaker 1: to win twenty Home of Hall of Fames. People stopping

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Speaker 1: you one?

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Speaker 3: Just one? You want them all.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to be in twenty Hall of You're right,

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Speaker 5: my bad thirty stop it won Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.

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Speaker 5: Build me a team, dang it, that's what I want.

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Speaker 5: Right now, I'm going over here to get these number

621
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Speaker 5: one picks. Tim couches in the world, and I ain't

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Speaker 5: doing nothing with him. Eight seven seven ninety nine on.

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Speaker 1: Fox, We'll do some calls quarterbacks first, or build like

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Speaker 1: the Jets their defense, and to keep bringing the Jets,

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Speaker 1: cause that's your said you want.

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Speaker 3: They went and got their quarterback last, they had a.

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Speaker 5: Defense, and then everybody and I can literally sit up

628
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 5: here in terrible Seattle got the nobody wanted, the pass

629
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Speaker 5: quarterback rebuilt. Now all of a sudden, they look like

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Speaker 5: they're gonna be in the Super Bowl Againroncos got the

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Speaker 5: It's either them of the Broncos.

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Speaker 3: But you know your NFL picks are Your NFL picks

633
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Speaker 3: are pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you the Broncos are the four teams in

635
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Speaker 1: the NFL playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee you the rong team said, well, you picked

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Speaker 3: four Huntings, we're probably gonna go to and two. Listening,

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Speaker 3: I know I wouldn't go on with four. I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you that I ain't gonna say that