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Speaker 1: Lolah Blah and I'm Megan Elizabeth And.

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Speaker 2: Today our guest is Priscilla Tucker, survivor of the polygamist

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Speaker 2: group the Kingstons and friend of the show. In Part

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Speaker 2: one of this two part of today, she's going to

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Speaker 2: how it differs from other polygamist sex like the FLDS,

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Speaker 2: how a number of members become doctors and lawyers to

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Speaker 1: She'll also tell us about the leader of the group

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Speaker 2: And we will be talking more about her story next week.

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Speaker 2: Priscilla is a close friend of my mother's. Actually she's

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Speaker 2: an angel. She's an angel. We had dinner the other night.

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Speaker 2: Actually it was lovely. It was animals delicious. It was Oh,

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Speaker 2: it was at the restaurant, the restaurant Animal thank you,

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Speaker 2: which is so good. I'm in the animal cult before

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Speaker 2: we dive in Maganze.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's Monday. It is the second of April. Correct,

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Speaker 1: Jury selections started today for uh Laurie Vallo cult. Mom,

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Speaker 2: God, I thought you were going to say for you,

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Speaker 2: and I was excited. But now for Laurie.

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Speaker 1: I was actually once on a murder jury. Wow, Well

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Speaker 1: another day another So she's in Idaho tying to find

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Speaker 2: interesting to see. What did the Daily Mail have to

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the Daily Mail headline said Lauri Vaalo first

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Speaker 1: They're very, very offensive a lot of the time. But

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Speaker 1: So I cannot wait for y'all to hear this episode.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Priscilla Tucker to trust Me. Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: It's so good to.

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Speaker 2: Finally have you on. I feel like you would be

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Speaker 2: growing up in a polygamist Mormon off shoot group. But

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Speaker 3: Who started this Eldon Kingston.

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Speaker 3: So they came from Idaho to Bountiful, Utah, and they

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Speaker 2: The men are wearing denim overall, is one of the women.

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Speaker 1: It's just so interesting because the FLDS women are dressed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because most of the polygamist groups are like off

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Speaker 2: Why do become doctors?

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Speaker 1: Are they becoming doctors to deliver babies from very young

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Speaker 3: So my grandma was actually the midwife for years, and

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Speaker 2: So it's to maximize the number of Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Crazy, I had no idea about any of this.

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Speaker 2: I mean I really just don't know a lot about

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Speaker 1: How many people were in it when you were in it.

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Speaker 3: Probably like I don't know, like seven thousand maybe, But

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing I'm curious about is, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So they actually had when I was younger, they

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Speaker 3: It's the Devil testing you. So everybody that's doing something

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Speaker 2: Like what did you have to do every day? What

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Speaker 3: So when I was in elementary school, we would go

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Speaker 3: We got paid twenty five cents.

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Speaker 2: What yeah?

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Speaker 1: What were you doing?

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Speaker 3: We were like putting the price tags on things. So

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Speaker 2: Why is that such a thing with fundamentalists Mormon groups?

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Speaker 3: Why child labor is such a thing because it's almost.

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Speaker 1: Free twenty five sons not free. Sure, I guess that

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Speaker 2: Why didn't I think of that?

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Speaker 1: Wow? So did you? Were you like I don't want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you have to.

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Speaker 2: What happens if you like rebel or so you don't

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Speaker 3: So that was kind of their mindsets, like you still

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Did you have.

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Speaker 2: Multiple mothers in your family?

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Speaker 3: So my mom married my dad, but he passed away

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure he would have because he he

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Speaker 2: You know, how many siblings do you have?

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Speaker 3: My mom has ten kids, and then the other wife

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Speaker 2: Wow. And were you all living in the same place

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, so I know in the FLDS, I don't

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Speaker 3: They're nice, but I just don't think it would go

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Speaker 3: well if they all live together. But so everyone does

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Speaker 2: Interesting, So you're painting a sure in my head that's

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you afford that many children?

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Speaker 3: I honestly don't know, because these women have salaries of

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Speaker 2: What really?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: You mean just like help take care of them or

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: So how really, what's the point of them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Right, just to give more kids? Like there's because that's

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Speaker 3: kind of like how I think how they were able

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Speaker 1: I cannot believe this.

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Speaker 2: I can't. I can't believe that I'm already not already

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Speaker 1: So what is he doing? Is staying with you guys?

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Speaker 3: Or like where is he? Yes, so he goes from

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing is my mom's husband is a lawyer,

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Speaker 2: Yes, And do they have like an explanation for this

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Speaker 1: Whoa wow, Well the Kingston men have really hacked the system.

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00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,160
Speaker 1: They have getting every single thing you want.

448
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 2: But where's that money going? Then? If they're spending every

449
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 2: night sleeping with a different wife, then do they have

450
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 2: their own house or like where's all their money.

451
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 3: Going in their bank account? Stacking up? Well, not bank account,

452
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 3: but their order statement, because they just yeah, I don't know,

453
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 3: he just like stacks up his money and it goes

454
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 3: into the order.

455
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 2: So is the order run who's the order run by?

456
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 2: Right now?

457
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 3: Paul Kingston? Right now?

458
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 2: Okay? And when you were growing up, who was it?

459
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: It was Paul? It was Paul? Okay?

460
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: And does Paul have like a particularly lavish home.

461
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 3: Some of his wives do?

462
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: Okay?

463
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so definitely, like his first wife has a really

464
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 3: nice house. And then we would always joke there's like

465
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 3: two or three of his wives that will get a

466
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 3: new house every year basically like not every year, but

467
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: like it feels like it, you know, just because they

468
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 3: can't write.

469
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah in the flds like everybody, I mean, many people

470
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 2: would be living in absolute poverty. And then meanwhile, Warren

471
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 2: Jeff's was like right, building these like lavish mansions for

472
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 2: his purposes. So I just I wonder if it's something like.

473
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Speaker 1: That, did you ever believe in it? Were you like, yes,

474
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: this is God's way.

475
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 3: I feel like I was back and forth, Like after

476
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 3: my mom got remarried. I was like, I'm leaving for sure,

477
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 3: because I just hated him so much because he would

478
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 3: he would say things like because I remember everybody tell

479
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 3: me like, oh, your dad made it to heaven, like

480
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 3: I was super happy about that or whatever, like believing

481
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 3: in what they're telling me. And I remember he told

482
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 3: me because my dad didn't get married again, that he

483
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 3: didn't make it to heaven. So I was like, I

484
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 3: hate you, and I just and then like so growing up,

485
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: my mom was very abusive. She's better now, but she was,

486
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 3: and after she got remarried she kind of stopped, but

487
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 3: then he started. So I'm like like, when it's my mom, okay,

488
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 3: but you're not my dad.

489
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 2: So when did she marry him? How old were you?

490
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 3: It was just before my eighth birthday?

491
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Okay so you were you were young, were

492
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: you close with your siblings and was this happening to

493
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 2: just all of you?

494
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were close growing up. I'm not super close

495
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 3: to the younger ones because they are so much younger

496
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 3: than me and I left when they were young, so

497
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 3: they don't really know me. But I still talk to

498
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 3: my older sister and my younger brother.

499
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: So okay, and I imagine that that was a pretty

500
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: hard thing for all of you then just kind of

501
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: watching this man. Yeah, yeah, was that something that was

502
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: like part of the belief system of the church, like

503
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: punishing children physically, because a lot of guests we've talked

504
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: to you, it's literally like a part of the belief system.

505
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely a part of it. They believe. I

506
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: remember this is skipping ahead of it. But when I

507
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: was in that rehab and I was in a session

508
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 3: with my mom Lynn and my therapist Lynn is my

509
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 3: mom's husband, and I talked about how he would be

510
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 3: even young children, like three months, four months, whatever it was,

511
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,959
Speaker 3: and he was like, first of all, it's not as

512
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 3: bad as you're making it sound. And second of all,

513
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 3: even newborns can obey. You just have to teach them.

514
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Speaker 1: We would start getting spankings about two months because you

515
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: needed to sit there with meetings, right, So like even

516
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: when we go to meet it like we'd go to meeting,

517
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: you just see the mom go out, lap lap lap,

518
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 1: exactly like shit. And our ex Facebook group we were

519
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: all talking about like playing dolls when we were a

520
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: little and playing church and we'd all take our dolls

521
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: out and just like beat.

522
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Speaker 4: The shit out of them.

523
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, it's horrible, all Jesus.

524
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: Would you do that too? Is that just me?

525
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: It sounds familiar?

526
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, wow.

527
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Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, sounds like you had a pretty rebellious spirit

528
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 2: from a pretty young age.

529
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

530
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Paul was the name of Later he said, yes,

531
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Speaker 2: did you see him? Did you know him? What did

532
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: you think of him?

533
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: Yes?

534
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: So, I when I was younger, I honestly thought my

535
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 3: mom was married to him because he would come to

536
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: our house for like Christmas and come see us. But

537
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 3: it's because he was married to my dad's sister, so

538
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: he would be there to see his children with her.

539
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: But when I was growing, like he would bring us

540
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: presents as well, and I would be This was in

541
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: elementary school. Some of his kids would talk about like

542
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 3: they don't see their dad for Christmas. I'm like, I

543
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 3: see your dad for christ Oh.

544
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 2: No.

545
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: So I thought my mom was married to him for

546
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: a bit and he was always very I don't know

547
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: what it was like. He always told me to make

548
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 3: sure I said hi to him every Sunday, like he

549
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: was very I would say hi to him and he

550
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: would give me like a five minute hug. I would

551
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: fill off all of his wives like glaring at me,

552
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, I don't want your man, I

553
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 3: promise you. And I actually ran into him on the

554
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 3: Las Vegas Strip, yes, when this was like a year

555
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 3: and a half ago, and I never go on the

556
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: Vegas Strip. I never walked the strip. But I was

557
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 3: walking down and somebody grabbed my arm and it was

558
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 3: my aunt that's married to him, and they're half siblings

559
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 3: by the way, but she grabbed my arm and she

560
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 3: was like Priscilla and he was sitting there behind or

561
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: standing there behind her, and I was with my boyfriend

562
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: at the time, and she was like, we know her.

563
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: She's my brother's daughter. And he's like oh, Like it

564
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: was so awkward, like you didn't say that's my niece.

565
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: She was like this elaborate like we know her, and

566
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: he's like okay, and then Paul was just standing in

567
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 3: the background, like very weirdly.

568
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: Did they come out to scare you?

569
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: They no, they they were on vacation.

570
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

571
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: He takes his wives to Vegas all the time.

572
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: Wow, So he is obviously a huge fucking creep was what.

573
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So how old were you when you started

574
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: giving you the creepy hugs?

575
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean it was definitely after like

576
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: I was when I was fourteen. I wanted to marry

577
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: this specific guy because he was like one of the

578
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: only people not related to me. So I was trying

579
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: to do that and you obviously have to have a

580
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: lot of meetings with Paul, but he would always say

581
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: like I need you to pray more and just basically

582
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: like he's like, you're going to get engaged very soon.

583
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: But he made it very clear that it was not

584
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: going to be to this guy. And that's kind of

585
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: what started is he was like, you need to make

586
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 3: sure you say hi to me all the time and

587
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 3: just stay close to the spirit, you know.

588
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: Okay, how many wives did he have?

589
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: Twenty seven when I left. I don't know if he

590
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: got anymore.

591
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: So he was grimming you to be one of his wives.

592
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's the thing, that's how it sounds.

593
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: Certainly you get engaged around sixteen, correct, Yes?

594
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: Usually.

595
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: When I was googling the Kingston clan, first of all,

596
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: there were a lot of news stories from a while

597
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 2: ago about the rampant amount of incest that happens in

598
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: the group. But also these like statements that have been

599
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 2: put forth from the actual group saying we encourage marriage

600
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: beginning at the age of eighteen, Which what do you

601
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: think of that?

602
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 3: Right? So, first of all, so many people used to

603
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 3: get married at fourteen fifteen. Only my generation did they

604
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: start like fifteen sixteen plus. And you're only ever eighteen

605
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: usually if you're a second or third wife, but if

606
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: you're my first wife, it's usually much earlier.

607
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: And how old are the men that you're getting married to?

608
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of them are very young as well,

609
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 3: but there are some that are older that never like

610
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: had the privilege of having a wife, and they'll find

611
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 3: this little fifteen year old and just get LUCKI or

612
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: whatever it is.

613
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: Oh God, may I ask both of you a quick

614
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: question because you said something and I don't know if

615
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: this is a normal FLDS or so your somebody told

616
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: you your dad wasn't going to heaven because you only

617
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: had one wife? Is that what the FLDS? And is

618
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: that a normal thought, like you have to have more

619
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: than one wife to get to heaven?

620
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: It is yes, in our group, definitely, you have to

621
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: live the celestial laws to get out of the celestial kingdom.

622
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: I did not realize that it was that, Ingrand.

623
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: I think that probably varies group to group, depending on

624
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: like if you've lived long enough to like have one.

625
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: But I think that is the ultimate aspiration. That's like

626
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: what the holiest people do in an early Mormonism. Yeah,

627
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: same thing even in current Mormonism, at least when I

628
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: was like mainstream Mormonism, at least when I was growing up.

629
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: You know, so you get married in the temple, and

630
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: you're married in the afterlife as well, and if you

631
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: get divorced, and let's say the husband remarries, he's still

632
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: married to both of those wives in heaven, because that

633
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: is still subversively in like the fabric of Mormonism. Is

634
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: this like holy idea of.

635
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: So who you marry when you're fifteen, you have to

636
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: spend eternity with.

637
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: Well, unless the wife remarries in the temple a new person,

638
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: got it. If she marries, you know, not in the

639
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: temple and does not get sealed to a new person,

640
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: then she's stuck with you forever.

641
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: What wow, Okay, Okay, So you're still working. I'm assuming

642
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: as you're growing up. I'm sure the work just gets

643
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: harder after eight years of age. What are you doing

644
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: at ten? At twelve?

645
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: So I went from working at the restaurant supply store

646
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 3: pricing things to my mom took over one of their stores,

647
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: all True Value, and we basically had to kind of

648
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: like gut the whole thing, like it was just a mess. Literally,

649
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: like if somebody were to have a yard sale inside,

650
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: that's what it looked like. So we had to kind

651
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: of gut the whole thing. I remember spending so many

652
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: nights there, like we would go to school, go there,

653
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 3: sleep there, and then go home, shower, go to school.

654
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 3: Like it was kind of that type of thing and

655
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: then total slave labor. Basic right, Yeah, But that's how

656
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: my mom was, and she was just very dedicated to

657
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: whatever work they gave her, and she kind of like

658
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: instilled that into us, like this is how you need

659
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: to be. And that's how her mom was, and it's

660
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: just how they all are because that's how they gained

661
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: their spot in salvation basically. So but I did that

662
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: and then I I was a teacher for a while,

663
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: like an assistant teacher while I went to I did

664
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 3: high school online. I graduated when I was fourteen, and

665
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: so wow, like during yeah, during that, I just worked

666
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: all day at that point, and then I went back

667
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: to the restaurant supply store. I was a cashier. I

668
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: did accounting for them.

669
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: So you were allowed to go on the internet.

670
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: Like supervised, okay, yes.

671
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: And the school that you were doing online was that

672
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: their curriculum or was that.

673
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: A regular school curriculum? It was a regular curriculum. It

674
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: was just it was called Penn Foster. So basically they

675
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: just sent you all of the books and then you

676
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: would read it, take a bunch of quizzes, and then

677
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: take the test. So I like, I was working the

678
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: whole time, So I didn't even really do any of

679
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: my school work until my mom started saying like, oh,

680
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: you're not going to graduate within a year and kind

681
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: of talking down to me. So I'm like watch me.

682
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: And I did everything in the last month. If you

683
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: look at my transcripts, it'll show like four one, four

684
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,239
Speaker 3: two for like, I just did every single thing in

685
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: one month, So I didn't learn everything. But whatever four

686
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: years of school one month?

687
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: And what were you doing for fun? Like was there

688
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: even any leisure time?

689
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: Had books? Movies? Any? Yes?

690
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: So they had their own like softball teams, we would

691
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: do that. They had basketball Other than that, not really

692
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: like hiking.

693
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: Did you have book? Did you have like fun?

694
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: Could you read Harry Potter?

695
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Actually I loved her. That's nice.

696
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: You had books? Yes, TV movies you were allowed to watch,

697
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: Like growing up, we watched a lot of like Disney

698
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: or Bible shows. But then later they started talking in

699
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: church about why you can't watch Rapunzel because even though

700
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: that wasn't her mom, she thought it wasn't she rebelled

701
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: against it and things like that. Yeah, so they had

702
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: a reason why you couldn't watch No, why because she

703
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: rebelled against her stepmom.

704
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: And women right to have to be subservient.

705
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: Right any stories, it seems to fit them all a

706
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: little bit. She has to get the kids from the

707
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: man to wake up to I think they went a

708
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: little too far.

709
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: Rebelling against her evil stepmother's and yeah, I.

710
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: Was mad at her, that's true.

711
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: She was just pretty. She didn't actually she didn't do anything.

712
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: I think they should reconsider.

713
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: But it goes with their theories.

714
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: No, because that is a thing where when a daughter

715
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: gets old enough, their mom gets very like jealous of them,

716
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: because like, especially for me, I don't know if my

717
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: mom felt this way, but I could have married her husband.

718
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 3: And that's a thing, right, He asked you to know,

719
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, like, oh, I see it. That's just

720
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: how it is because they marry so closely.

721
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: How often does that happen where a mom and a

722
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: daughter are married to the same guy.

723
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: It actually hasn't happened yet because I think my mom

724
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: is one of the only people. Actually, there might be

725
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: three or four that the husband died and the wife

726
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: got remarried.

727
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: So, but it does happen in the church and other

728
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: families that somebody marries the same man that their mom

729
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: is married to.

730
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: No, not not that like theoretically will marry the same man,

731
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: or like your best friend will marry your husband.

732
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: It's just very like close cousins.

733
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: And even half siblings will get married.

734
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: So right, so I mean, how does that affect the

735
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: health of the children in the community.

736
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: I think it's it's like you don't even realize it

737
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: until you get out, but it's so ingrained that it's

738
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: just like I will still have cousins talk to me

739
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: and they'll be like, don't worry, I'm not trying to

740
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: go after you. I'm like, I didn't think you were,

741
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: because I would never or ones that do try to

742
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: date you, or like even ones that leave and date

743
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: each other, and it's like, what's the point of leaving

744
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 3: if you're just gonna end up with each other anyway? Yeah,

745
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 3: So it's very I think that it affects a lot

746
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: of their life and you don't even realize. Like I

747
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: didn't even realize I was depressed my whole life until

748
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 3: I wasn't and I'm like, oh wow, what is this feeling, right,

749
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm a little too have end like this.

750
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, it feels like a totally new right scary.

751
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd be really scary.

752
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: Do you relate to that?

753
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah, But I think you're I feel like

754
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: you're way braver than me. I feel like my world

755
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: is just now coming on technic color. But you feel

756
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: like I feel like you're like aad at me.

757
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you also were questioning from a very young

758
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: age and have been a sinner.

759
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I said from the beginning.

760
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: Baby.

761
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: But I think that, like my my religion was able

762
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: to put it in just a little bit more normally

763
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: enough that it like, you know, no one was marrying

764
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: their cousin or anything. I was like, I must be

765
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: missing something. But I mean, I think it's almost good

766
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: when the rules are so ridiculous sometimes that you're like, okay, wait,

767
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: I gotta take a step back. Not that it's any easier,

768
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: but does that make sense.

769
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. The more extreme it is, I think, the easier

770
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: it can be to compare to regularly.

771
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: Right right right. Yeah, see that there's something.

772
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: Wrong, definitely, And I think that for so long nobody

773
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: really questioned because it wasn't like being brought to light

774
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: enough because not very many people had left when I

775
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: left there, I knew maybe ten people that had left.

776
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: Now so many people have left after me, so it's

777
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 3: just right. It's a lot easier for them and they

778
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: know like who they can reach out to and who

779
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 3: will help them and things like that.

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Speaker 2: So tell us about your brief engagement how that happened.

806
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 3: So when I was this was like when I just

807
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: turned seventeen, I knew that I was going to leave.

808
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: Everyone knew that I was going to leave, because why

809
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: would I stay. But I started having my cousin tell me, like,

810
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: you should hang out with so and so, like he's

811
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 3: really sad because he was dating somebody at the time

812
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: and that didn't work out. And I was thinking, I'm

813
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: going to hang out with him as a cousin. And

814
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: so I hang out with him and he kisses me,

815
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 3: and I'm like, your cousin kiss yes, I'm like, I don't.

816
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: And I didn't know how to say anything. I didn't

817
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: know how to stand up for myself. So I'm like

818
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: just thinking to myself, like what's going on? And after that,

819
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: his mom would say things like I would just love

820
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: for you to marry him, because I already know you

821
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 3: and I know that you'll be amazing. And then my grandma,

822
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: like both of our grandma.

823
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: Would you have the same grandma the.

824
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: Same grandma, our our mothers our sisters, and my dad

825
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 3: is his dad's uncle, so we were related on both sides.

826
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: My brain can't even process.

827
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So anyway, people would just start saying things like

828
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: kind of testing the waters with me, and I'm like, oh, yeah, hah,

829
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: you know, not thinking anything of it. And then he

830
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: let me know that they were that he talked to

831
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: his dad and they talked to Paul, and he was

832
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 3: going to ask me to marry him. And I told

833
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: him like, please don't ask me, because I'm going to

834
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 3: say no, Like just please don't ask me, like let

835
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 3: them know you don't want to marry me. And he's like, okay,

836
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: I will. And then he showed up at my house

837
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 3: five in the morning. My mom sent me with him.

838
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: We got into a hot air balloon. He asks me

839
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: at the top with this like hot airbus and with

840
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 3: other random people. So there's just.

841
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: People in the hot air balloon like driving it or

842
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: flying it or like your first family watching being like

843
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: it's an engagement. Random people, Oh my god, Oh my.

844
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 3: God, random people having this amazing experience in a hot

845
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 3: air balloon. Yeah.

846
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: No, And if they knew to exactly your what your

847
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: relationship was during this proposal.

848
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, ask in front of all these people. Yes, okay,

849
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: so I said, mm hmm. So he puts the ring on.

850
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: We get down because I don't want to ruin these

851
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: people's experience, like that's literally how we were brought up.

852
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: It's I don't inconvenience anybody else who cares how you feel.

853
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: So we get down. I'm like, I take the ring off.

854
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not going to marry you. I already

855
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: told you that. And he's like, well, I already told everyone.

856
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: You said yes. So I put the ring back on and.

857
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: Told everyone how and when and where it texted them.

858
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, so I told them you said yes,

859
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: so you have to do it right right. How old

860
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: was he?

861
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: He was only like or three or four years older

862
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: than me, So yeah, but I didn't want to let

863
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 3: my whole family down. All of them were super excited,

864
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: so like, I guess I'm just going to marry him.

865
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: And I think we were. We had a meeting set

866
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: up with Paul on the twenty fourth of July or

867
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: something like that, and so we all gather as a

868
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 3: group at the home place in Bountiful for the twenty

869
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: fourth of July and Labor Day.

870
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Speaker 2: What is the home place?

871
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: It's where the group started, so it's like the property

872
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: where it is. They own a few houses over there,

873
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: so we would all go there for a celebration of

874
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: like when Utah became a state and was supposed to

875
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: meet with him, and I ran into a friend who

876
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: has now left, but she I told her about it

877
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: and she's like, well, do you want to marry him?

878
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: And I said no. She's like, then don't and I

879
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: said okay. Like that's how easily influenced. I was like

880
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 3: everyone else was saying do it, do it, do it?

881
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: So I'm like I have to And how did you

882
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: break the news to him?

883
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: Oh? So he came up to me while I was

884
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 3: talking to her and he's like, it's time prior meeting

885
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: and I'm like okay, and he said are you coming?

886
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: And I said no, and so he left and then

887
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: he came back and he was like, can you just

888
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: tell your mom you're not coming. I'm like, you can

889
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: tell her because I asked you not to propose to

890
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 3: me and you did anyway, So he goes, he leaves again,

891
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: my brother comes, he's like, you need to go talk

892
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: to mom, she's looking for you. So I go over there.

893
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: She's like, you can't do this to us. You can't

894
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: do this to him, to his mom, like that's my sister,

895
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 3: you can't do this. Everyone was so excited for you.

896
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 3: And she's like he's crying like he because she like

897
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: in everyone's mind, I'm going along with it, and I'm

898
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: just now breaking it to him that I don't want

899
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: to marry him, right, I'm like, he already knew I

900
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: told him, yeah, So like that's even if he did

901
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: it right like I She's like, you already said yes,

902
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: And I said, well now I'm saying no, yes, unbelievable.

903
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 3: And that's when she was like, well, if you're not

904
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: going to marry him, don't bother coming home. So I

905
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: wasn't allowed to go back home, but luckily, but also

906
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: they said you can't come home, but you can't leave,

907
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: like you could stay here or here, And so I

908
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: was staying with my grandma and she brought me to

909
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: my house to like sneak into my window and grab

910
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: some of my things because they wouldn't even let me

911
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 3: back in the house to grab my things because I

912
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 3: was a bad influence.

913
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: Because you didn't want to marry your cousin when he

914
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: was seventeen years old.

915
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: So was your grandma kind of cool? Like was she

916
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: kind of like, let's care stuff.

917
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she was actually like, I'm so glad that

918
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 3: you're not marrying him. I don't think that was right

919
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: for you. She was very pro order, but she was

920
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: also wanted to look out for me at the same time,

921
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: and she knew that I wouldn't be happy in that situation,

922
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: and she just didn't like it was a little too close,

923
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: even though she married her half brother.

924
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: So how common is it? Would you say that women

925
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: or girls end up marrying someone that they really don't

926
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 2: want to be with all the time.

927
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they just do it.

928
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: And like what would happen if someone really wanted to

929
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: stay in the group but they really didn't want to

930
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: marry their uncle or whoever the fuck? Like what would

931
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 2: happen to them?

932
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 3: So actually, it'll just be an issue between like them

933
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: and their family and the leader, and eventually they'll find

934
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: someone else for them to marry. But nobody really knows

935
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: who you're gonna marry until you show up engaged, Like.

936
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: You can't pick, no, never do.

937
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: That, guys, pick or is it just be totally being arranged.

938
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: So guys will have direction, like basically, look at it girl.

939
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: They like them, so they'll go and have like a

940
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 3: dream or a feeling that they're supposed to marry that girl.

941
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, they're like I had a dream that

942
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: I live in Vegas and you guys never contact.

943
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: Me, all right, Megan, Yes, Lola, We're gonna leave the

944
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: episode there for now. Stay tuned for part two next week.

945
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: It just gets crazier.

946
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: They're the FBI. There's an FBI story.

947
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: There's there's no Yeah, just stay tuned.

948
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: Just what I'm saying. So, Megan, I'm guessing you would

949
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: not join the Kingstons. Correct, Hell no, No, that would

950
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: not be your group of choice. No, do you have

951
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: any hot air balloon stories?

952
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: It's kind of you mean because she got engaged in

953
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: what she got engaged in high air balloon. Okay, it's

954
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: kind of funny because when I was little, I was

955
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: obsessed with hot air balloons, like you do not understand,

956
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: to a point that I convinced myself that everyone with

957
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: a pickup truck had one because they were tran supporting

958
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: their hot air balloon.

959
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: What around?

960
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: And I lived in Kansas. So there were a lot

961
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: of pickup trucks, and I kept a little notebook with

962
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: like a little pen, and I would write down everyone's

963
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: license plate with pickups? What because I was I thought

964
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: that I could perhaps I was like five. I thought

965
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: I could maybe find them in the phone book somehow

966
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: and ask them to take me on their hot air balloon. Oh.

967
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 4: I got an equal obsession with getting inside of a refrigerator.

968
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: I remember my mom going to Sears and me.

969
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 4: We were like looking for a refrigerator and I was like,

970
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: are there any I can get in? And she was like,

971
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 4: please ignore her.

972
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: That is so cute, and it were so weird.

973
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: Refrigerators and not air balloons. So yeah, it's funny that

974
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: you should ask that. I would love to be in one.

975
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: Although I did just see this week couple and their

976
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: daughter died in a hot air balloon.

977
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 2: No way.

978
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, not to be insensitive to the daughter did live,

979
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: but the couple perish.

980
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 2: Well, that is so sad. Yeah, have you been in one?

981
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: No, I'm still writing dumb pickup.

982
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: You still have your journal with the license plates, we

983
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: can track them down, get you in one.

984
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I haven't been in one. It's not so pathetic.

985
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: The my friend Bill Bloom every year sends me a

986
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 4: thing of this is our year to go on a

987
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 4: hot air balloon, and every year we don't.

988
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: So I know what I'm getting you for your birthday.

989
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 4: You're like a license plate number of a pickup truck.

990
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 4: You give me a group on hot air balloon like

991
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: I do with the eyebrows, and I just immediately fly

992
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: into a I don't know mountain.

993
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: Hopefully not hopefully not well.

994
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 1: Anyway, we can't wait to see y'all here next week

995
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: for the next part of the story. It gets even crazier.

996
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: So in the meantime, remember to follow your gut, watch

997
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: out for a flats.

998
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: And never ever trust me. Hye bye. Trust Me as

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Speaker 2: produced by Kirsten Woodward, Gabby Rapp and Steve Delemator.

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Speaker 1: With special thanks to Stacy Para.

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Speaker 2: And our theme song was composed by Holly amber Church.

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Speaker 1: Hicks on Twitter.

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