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Speaker 1: Wow, Hey everybody, It's Tuesday, January second, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where you try

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Speaker 1: to stay hydrated in the new year. It's me and

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Speaker 1: your man, MG, Marcus Grant, joined by Michael F. Floria Florio.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, good sir. I hope the first two

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Speaker 1: days of January are treating you all right.

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Speaker 2: Happy New Year to you as well. Had a fun

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Speaker 2: New Year's Eve with some friends coming over and such,

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Speaker 2: and then New Year's Day, did absolutely nothing, watch my knicks,

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Speaker 2: watch some college football, and I think that's what New

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Speaker 2: Year's Day is for. So I hope you kind of

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Speaker 2: did the same.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much just chilled.

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Speaker 1: Had some family in town, but the sat around the

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Speaker 1: house watch some football during the day.

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Speaker 3: Had a.

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Speaker 1: Viewing of that family friendly film known as Oppenheimer in

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Speaker 1: the evening.

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Speaker 3: But it was a good day.

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Speaker 2: I actually watched Oppenheimer over the weekend as well for

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Speaker 2: the first time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing says family like a story about the father

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Speaker 1: of the atomic bomb.

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Speaker 3: Man absolutely amazing. So I know the fantasy season is

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Speaker 3: over for most people.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure some of you out there are going to

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Speaker 1: be doing something to sweat through week eighteen, and later

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Speaker 1: in the week we will talk about maybe some DFS

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Speaker 1: plays or something to get you through Week eighteen, but

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Speaker 1: want to kind of do a season recap. We'll do

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Speaker 1: it in three parts. I'm calling it the Good, the Bad,

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Speaker 1: and the WTF. So we'll start off on the good foot.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about some of the things that went well

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Speaker 1: over fantasy season and maybe what it can mean going forward.

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Speaker 1: So we'll break that down in about four different little sections,

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Speaker 1: So enjoy that. But get started with a couple of headlines,

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Speaker 1: because first in Pittsburgh, Mason Rudolph is going to get

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Speaker 1: the start over a healthy kidny pick it this week

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Speaker 1: for the Pittsburgh Steelers, going against the Baltimore Ravens. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers have a shot at the playoffs, but they

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Speaker 1: do have to win.

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Speaker 3: So Mike Tomlin going to Mason Rudolph.

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Speaker 1: Now, look, I'm not gonna sit here and try to

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Speaker 1: make some story where you're looking to start Mason Rudolph

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Speaker 1: or what have you. But I wanted to spin it

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Speaker 1: ahead to next season in that with this move Florio,

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Speaker 1: does this mean Kenny Pickett is officially.

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Speaker 3: Done as the starter of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: I think it should. I will say I was never

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Speaker 2: a Kenny Pickett guy. Like when they took him in

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Speaker 2: the first round, I thought they were reaching on him.

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Speaker 2: I just don't love fifth year quarterbacks. When you're older

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Speaker 2: than everyone else in a lesser competition, that's when you

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Speaker 2: have your breakout. But then, like we've seen it for

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Speaker 2: years now, I know Matt Canada kind of fell on

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Speaker 2: the sword here, but that offense wasn't moving the ball

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Speaker 2: with Kenny Pickett. They weren't scoring. It was low, ugly

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Speaker 2: games with him. Now you have Mason Rudolph, who we

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Speaker 2: all know is not a franchise quarterback, and your offense

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Speaker 2: looks better. I think it's similar to the Browns markets.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you guys having a great, magical season.

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Speaker 2: Your offense looks way better with a journeyman Joe Blacco

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Speaker 2: at the end of his career than it did with

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Speaker 2: your franchise quarterback. That is something that is concerning. But

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Speaker 2: for the Steelers, they're not as invested. They could still

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Speaker 2: get out of Kenny Pickett, and I think they should.

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Speaker 3: I think they probably will.

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Speaker 1: I just I think the way this has gone down

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Speaker 1: signals that we've seen the last of Pickett. As the

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Speaker 1: a running joke, right that every time a quarterback stepped

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Speaker 1: in and had a big game, that he was immediately

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Speaker 1: compared to Kenny Pickett. And that's what happens when in

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Speaker 1: twenty five career games you have just thirteen touchdown passes

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Speaker 1: and thirteen total interceptions. That's where Kenny Pickett is. And

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Speaker 1: like you mentioned, it's easy to throw the blame on

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Speaker 1: the lap of Matt Canada, and he certainly deserves some

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Speaker 1: of it with just an unimaginative, boring, uncreative offense, but

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Speaker 1: some of it is the guy triggering the offense as well,

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Speaker 1: and Kenny Pickett has done nothing to really establish himself

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Speaker 1: as the guy that if you're the Steelers, you want

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Speaker 1: around him, because I think a lot of people, after

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Speaker 1: what George Pickens has done in the Fantasy Playoffs, a

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Speaker 1: couple of really big games back to back, I've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk about what this means for George

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Speaker 1: Pickens and people saying in dynasty, especially that they're still

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Speaker 1: some respects. Look, he went for one thirty one last week.

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Speaker 1: He went for one ninety five and two touchdowns the

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Speaker 1: week before. But with all this uncertainty, what do you

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Speaker 1: think is the dynasty value of a George Pickens right now?

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Speaker 2: I think it depends on who their quarterback is next year.

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Speaker 2: Like I you look at what George Pickens did this

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Speaker 2: year with his blazing hot finish. He scored more fantasy

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Speaker 2: points than Garrett Wilson. He scored more fantasy points than

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Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley. He was right behind chrys Olave and Rashid Rice.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't think we would put Pickens in as

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Speaker 2: having the same season as those other players, but he

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Speaker 2: finished strong with Mason Rudolph. He needs a quarterback who

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Speaker 2: could take advantage of his downfield prows. Like if they

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Speaker 2: went out and upgraded the quarterback position, let's say and

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Speaker 2: had got a strong arm quarterback, maybe Russell Wilson. I

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Speaker 2: could see Pickens getting hyped up and going as a

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Speaker 2: top twenty fantasy wide receiver next year. But I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's out of the range of possibility that they

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Speaker 2: swing and miss on a couple of bigger name quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: and we're running it back with Kenny Pickett next year.

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Speaker 2: And if that is the case, then I want no

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Speaker 2: parts of George Pickens.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking right now at the Fantasy Pros Dynasty rankings,

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Speaker 1: and George Pickens right now sits as the wide receiver

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Speaker 1: thirty two, just behind Christian Watson, just ahead of Chris Godwin,

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Speaker 1: and I guess that feels right. I just there's just

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Speaker 1: so much inconsistency week to week. It's nice to get

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Speaker 1: those big blow up games.

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Speaker 3: I've always just.

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Speaker 1: Lived with the opinion that, yeah, the big blow up

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Speaker 1: games are nice, but not when they're followed by just duds.

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Speaker 1: I would much rather have a guy who consistently gives me,

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Speaker 1: you know, sixty to eighty yards. They have to live

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Speaker 1: with the you know, one hundred and fifty yards followed

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Speaker 1: by the twenty yards. You know, I just I can't

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Speaker 1: live with that. And I look at the offense. You

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Speaker 1: mentioned the quarterback situation. What are they going to do?

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Speaker 1: Will it be Kenny Pickett? You know, I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: they roll in the next season with Mason Rudolph as

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Speaker 1: Kirk cousins. In free agency, do they put themselves in

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Speaker 1: position to draft a quarterback? This is a very deep

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Speaker 1: find somebody like that? I don't know, And that impacts

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Speaker 1: how I feel about George Pickens, because if everything is

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Speaker 1: status quo going into next season, George Pickens is at

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Speaker 1: best I have a third wide receiver. I think, even

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Speaker 1: in Dynasty, I think that's sort of what what you're

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Speaker 1: looking at with him. We know the potential is there,

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Speaker 1: we know the highlight reel catches are there. Just the

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Speaker 1: overall consistency there, and if the offense continues to be bad,

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Speaker 1: I think that's you know, I think he's I won't

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Speaker 1: say he's at a ceiling, but you know, just there's

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Speaker 1: just too much volatility for me in this offense.

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Speaker 2: The thing with these boomer Bus guys is in the summer,

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Speaker 2: it's easy to sell yourself like, oh, well, those big

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Speaker 2: weeks are going to win me weeks. Then you get

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Speaker 2: in the real season and it's so unpredictable because what

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Speaker 2: the way it goes is usually that player will be

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Speaker 2: one fifty, and then the next week you get them

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Speaker 2: in your lineup, and that's when you get the twenty

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Speaker 2: like you were talking about. So those players are maddening

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Speaker 2: to own in fantasy week to week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like George Pickens.

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Speaker 1: I mean I had my tweet earlier that Jerry Judy

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Speaker 1: was the George Pickens of Gabe Davis's because they're all

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Speaker 1: you think maybe that the talent's gonna win out, but

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Speaker 3: And so you just get sort of frustrated with them there.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, in Chicago, the Bears do have some decisions to

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Speaker 1: make because they've got the number one overall pick courtesy

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields? Now, after what he did this past week

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Speaker 1: against the Atlanta Falcons in the snow, the fans were chanting,

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Speaker 1: we want Justin. The players in the locker room have

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Speaker 1: ask you, is Justin Fields a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 2: In my opinion?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And this is something I did a Twitter spaces with

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Speaker 2: Rank last week, and surprise, surprise, we ended up talking

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of Chicago Bans, shocking of I was saying,

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Speaker 2: I think you discount those first couple of years with

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Speaker 2: Justin Fields, because this year, like he was throwing the

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Speaker 2: ball no offense to these plays to Darnaul Mooney and

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Speaker 2: DJ Moore this year and his numbers like, he looks better.

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Speaker 2: His numbers look better, and look at all of these

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Speaker 2: other quarterbacks like young Josh Allen got Diggs took the

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Speaker 2: next step, young Jalen Hurt, Scott Smith and AJ Brown.

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Speaker 2: He took the next step. We saw Lamar Jackson putting

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Speaker 2: up career numbers as a passer this year because they

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Speaker 2: finally invested in the pass catchers around him. Like you

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Speaker 2: to properly judge a quarterback, I think you need competent

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Speaker 2: He's learning how to win games. To me, I think,

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Speaker 2: and I know this is in fantasy, but I think

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Speaker 2: the Bears are kind of having a year like the

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Speaker 2: Lions had last year, where you're not making the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: You're not doing anything like that, but you're learning how

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Speaker 2: to win. You're doing the right things as an organization.

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Speaker 2: With the hopes that you could take a step forward

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Speaker 2: next season, and with the report now that they could

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Speaker 2: get a second her third round pick for Justin Fields,

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Speaker 2: but even more than what they got for the first

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Speaker 2: get Marvin Harrison junior here, invest in that old line,

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Speaker 2: and let's see what this team could be, because I

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Speaker 2: think they could be special if you put those playmakers

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Speaker 2: around Justin.

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Speaker 3: I think he absolutely can be special.

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Speaker 1: And I think we've seen that over the last few

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Speaker 1: weeks of the season him really starting to pick things

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Speaker 1: up right now, You're right, you know, and I think

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Speaker 1: maybe to an extreme point, right we look at say

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Speaker 1: a guy like Patrick Mahomes this year and what's happened

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Speaker 1: to him because the pass catching group has not been

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Speaker 1: great in Kansas City that even Mahomes, sure his numbers are,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a better quarterback than Justin Fields, and

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Speaker 1: that's not shade on Justin Fields, but he also hasn't

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Speaker 1: looked like the Mahomes were used to just because the

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Speaker 1: guys around him haven't made plays.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Fields does have Dj Moore. We've seen Cole Comet be

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Speaker 1: a bit of a playmaker. He's got those guys to

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Speaker 2: There is not a running back alive that I would

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Speaker 1: We're not arguing who's gonna be the barring injury. Christian

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Speaker 1: Maybe we have this conversation in August, and I have

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Speaker 1: further into the off season. But talked about Christian McCaffrey

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Speaker 1: in the top ten in points per game, with Stefan

437
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Speaker 1: Diggs slumped in the back half of the year, finished

438
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 1: fifteenth in points per game. One have we figured out?

439
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,959
Speaker 1: Have we figured out wide receiver drafting? Is that too

440
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Speaker 1: much of a general statement right now?

441
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Speaker 2: I think we have And it's why if you remember

442
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: back in the summer, I kept saying, like, I think

443
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 2: you should take a wide receiver in the first round.

444
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 2: I know I was not the only person saying that,

445
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 2: but because we know who the elite players are in

446
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: the elite offenses, and those are the wide receivers. Like

447
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb is tied to a great quarterback, Tyreek Hill

448
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 2: is tied to say whatever you want about to I

449
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 2: think he's a good quarterback and it's a great offense.

450
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: Aman Ross Saint Brown is in a great offense. AJ Brown,

451
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 2: the Rams guys, we weren't this high on them, but

452
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: we were still very high on them because they're in

453
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: a great offense. Like Mike Evans was one we got wrong.

454
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 2: Dj Moore we were a little bit low on. But yeah,

455
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: we know who the ball like is going to in

456
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 2: these elite offenses, and those are the wide receivers who

457
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Speaker 2: are going to be in the top ten at the

458
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Speaker 2: end of the season. So I do think we have

459
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Speaker 2: figured this out, at least for right now. Watch next

460
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: year we'll go completely different. But I can tell you

461
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Speaker 2: for next season, outside of maybe Christian McCaffrey, my early

462
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: round picks are going to be loaded with wide receivers.

463
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

464
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Speaker 1: And I think what we've decided and what seems to

465
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: work is you're looking at obviously heavy route participation, guys

466
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: that are on the field and running routes a lot,

467
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: high target shares, and offenses that score a lot of

468
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: points and move the ball up and down the field.

469
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Speaker 3: And that's what you got when you look at you.

470
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Speaker 1: Know, say a you know, a Jamar Chase when with

471
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Speaker 1: a healthy Joe Burrow, a Justin Jefferson with a healthy

472
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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, Ceedee Lamb with Dak Prescott, even the early

473
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Speaker 1: part of the season with Stefan Diggs and josh Allen

474
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Speaker 1: AJ Brown Jalen Hurts, I mean, we can keep going.

475
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: Those are the guys that we're starting to target. I

476
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: think we've sort of figured that out, and we've even

477
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 1: been able to sort of break guys out into tiers where, hey, look,

478
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Speaker 1: there are some teams where maybe the wide receiver two

479
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: is better than a wide receiver one. Right DeVonta Smith

480
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: arguably the wide receiver two in Philadelphia probably a better

481
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: option than you know, Adam Thielen being the wide receiver

482
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: wide in Carolina, just because the offenses are so much better.

483
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Speaker 1: So I talked to Christian McCaffrey and ask whether or

484
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: not he's the one dot one. You mentioned that you

485
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Speaker 1: know you would still be willing to consider a wide

486
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Speaker 1: receiver there. Would that wide receiver be Tyreek Hill? And

487
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: is he a lock? Is he a lock to be

488
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: the wide receiver one after what he did this year?

489
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Speaker 2: As of right now, he would be my wide receiver one.

490
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: I do not know if he's a lock yet though,

491
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: although I think his competition is very, very small. It's

492
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase depending on what the Vikings

493
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Speaker 2: do at quarterback. But I could see people selling a

494
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: fully healthy Joe Burrow and healthy Jamar Chase could rival

495
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Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill. Because you know, people are always like, well,

496
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: this guy was one last year, he's not going to

497
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 2: finish one again, whereas my thinking is always like, Okay,

498
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: this guy finished one last year and he is a dude.

499
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Speaker 2: If he say, if Tyreek Hill stays healthy next year,

500
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Speaker 2: he's a lock in my opinion, to be a top

501
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: five Fantasy wide receiver. That's kind of what I want

502
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: in the early I want to mitigate risk in the

503
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: first round and having a player with the upside of

504
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill and with such a safe floor. But I

505
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: left out one that Ceedee Lamb easily could also be

506
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: in the running to be the wide receiver one off

507
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: the board next year. He's young, he's in a high

508
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: powered offense with a good quarterback. So I think any

509
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 2: number of those four wide receivers could go first overall.

510
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: I do think, you know, with recency bias, I mean

511
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: I think if you do a lot of mock drafts, now,

512
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: I think You're gonna see Ceedee Lamb as that number

513
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: one pick just because he's the guy who got hot

514
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: the latest and as you mentioned, good offense, good quarterback.

515
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: They are probably gonna be together for a few more years.

516
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: That's gonna get people really excited about Ceedee Lamb. And

517
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: again I just go back to you know, picking a

518
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: guy to be the first position off the board player

519
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: at a position off the board does not mean that

520
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: you're saying, like if I take Tyreek Hill number one.

521
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here saying that I think Tyreek Hill

522
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: is going to be the number one wide receiver. But

523
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: it's like you said, it's mitigating risk. I think that

524
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: what happened at the end of the year, though, makes

525
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: it harder for Tyreek Hill. Just fact that he got

526
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: banged up, not that he played, He didn't play badly.

527
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: He just was battling through injury, which tends to happen.

528
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: The fact that he was on pace for two thousand

529
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: yards it, you know, seems very unlikely unless he somehow

530
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 1: comes up with two hundred and eighty three yards against

531
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: the Bills. I mean, I guess not impossible, just highly unlikely.

532
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 1: I think the fact that he's on pace for two

533
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: thousand yards is gonna People are gonna look at it

534
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: and say, well, you know that that seems like a

535
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime thing that's not gonna happen again.

536
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: I think that's what knocks him down. And the fact

537
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: that there is competition, whether it's Ceedee Lamb, whether it

538
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: is you know, Jamar Chase with a healthy Joe Burrow,

539
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: a healthy Justin Jefferson. Oh, I'll say this and you

540
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: can disagree if you like. I think Justin Jefferson falls

541
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: out of maybe the top three wide receivers because I'm

542
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: sort of assuming Kirk Cousins isn't going to be back

543
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: in Minnesota next year, and that leaves it wide open.

544
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a rookie day draft. I can't imagine they

545
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: go out and get somebody in free agents. But the

546
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins Justin Jefferson pairing has been really, really good

547
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: through us and if that's not around, he's a first

548
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: round receiver. But I don't think he's a top five receiver.

549
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: I no disagreement at all there, and he is the one,

550
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: which is why, Like when I was saying the Ceedee Lamb,

551
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill, Jamar Chase, they Aj Brown, you could put

552
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: in that conversation, i'man Ron Saint Brown. They're all tied

553
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: to good offenses with good quarterbacks that aren't going anywhere.

554
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: So Justin Jefferson is the most volatile. That's why, like

555
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: I know, I'm crazy, I'm probably gonna do a draft

556
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: in a few weeks just because I always like to

557
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: do one this early and see how it goes. Like

558
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: Jefferson is the riskiest of all of these high end

559
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 2: wide receivers because of who the court. We don't know

560
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 2: who the quarterback will be, so I agree with you,

561
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: it's hard to put him out of the top five

562
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 2: right now because we don't know. But yeah, if one

563
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: of those wide quarter if it's not Kirk Cousins, and

564
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 2: it's not you know, they don't get another their high

565
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: end quarterback there, it's gonna be hard to put him

566
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: over those names. I said, like a Tyreek, like a

567
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: Lamb a manra Aj Brown, Jamar Chase. That's five right

568
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: there that I would easily comfortably take over Justin Jefferson

569
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: if he doesn't have Kirk Cousins.

570
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I think that's that's gonna be the

571
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: conversation we have once we figure out who the Vikings

572
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: quarterback is going to be. Quick question, are we trending

573
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: toward three wide receivers being a standard roster or standard

574
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: lineup things. I know we do a lot of two

575
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: wide receivers and maybe a flex I play in some

576
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: three wide receiver leagues. I feel like that's gonna start

577
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: to become the standard now because there are so many

578
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: receivers to choose from.

579
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: It should be it a like in our Fantasy Live league.

580
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: The most annoying part is it's two wide receivers, and

581
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: like if I went wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver

582
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: this year and then I found Kien Williams on the

583
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: waiver wire to take my flex spot, that's a headache

584
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: being like, all right, well, I have three great wide receivers.

585
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 2: Now I don't know who to play. And there's so

586
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: much depth at that position as well that not only

587
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: do I think it should be the norm, most of

588
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: my leagues are three wide receivers with a flex spot

589
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: or sometimes even two. I know that might be a

590
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: little deep for some people's likings, but I think three

591
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: wide receivers and a flex should become the norm.

592
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think three wide receivers and a flex are great.

593
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: I play in a league where we actually started four

594
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: wide receivers in a twelve team league, and that felt.

595
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: A little deep.

596
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: There were some weeks, especially as injuries started the pile up,

597
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: where it's like, ugh, I don't know what to do

598
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: with this, For like, I wish I had a flex

599
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: spot instead that I could like throw a running back

600
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: or a tight end or something in there. Four wide

601
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: receivers felt a little bit thin, but three just seems.

602
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: Like it's about right considering the state of the position.

603
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: Other thing that went well for the most part with

604
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, and especially the guys off the top four

605
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: of the top five quarterbacks drafted based on ADP finished

606
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: top ten in Fantasy points per game. The one guy

607
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: who didn't was Joe Burrow finished twenty fourth. That you know,

608
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: you could chalk that up mostly to injury, the fact

609
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: that he just could not really get or stay healthy

610
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: during the year. But after what you saw this year,

611
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: is it still worthwhile to reach and draft quarterbacks early?

612
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: You know, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, all guys

613
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: who went early ish, all guys who finished well, is.

614
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: It worth it? To make that leap and draft those

615
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: guys early.

616
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: Yes, with one caveat, they need to run like Josh

617
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: Allen and Jalen Hurts. Allan average twenty three Fantasy points

618
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: per game. Hurts twenty two point three. The only other

619
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: quarterback to average over twenty per game was Lamar Jackson,

620
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: who also happens to lead the position in rushing yards.

621
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: Those other two leads it in rushing touchdowns. It's why,

622
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: going back to the summer, I had Patrick Mahomes as

623
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: the QB three and Alan one Hurts two because I

624
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: kept saying, like, Patrick Mahomes needs to have an MVP

625
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: type passing season to match what those two are gonna do,

626
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: because he's not gonna run for as many yards, and

627
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: he's running more than he has in the past three

628
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty nine rushing yards, still over sixty behind

629
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: Alan and over two hundred behind Jalen Hurts. He doesn't

630
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: have a rushing touchdown those other two of fifteen each

631
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: not saying you can count on fifteen again next year

632
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: out of them, but they're good for six seven at

633
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: a minimum, and that is a huge game changer. So

634
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: it's something I put on Twitter a couple like a

635
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: week ago. I know everyone's gonna say, look at Patrick Mahomes,

636
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: this is why you don't take quarterbacks early. You could

637
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: have waited and got Jordan Love or Brock Purdy or

638
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: someone like that, and it's like, okay. But on the

639
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: flip side, if you took Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen

640
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: in the third round of your draft, you probably had

641
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: a great year because those guys are giving you five

642
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: points more than most other quarterbacks per week. That is

643
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: a huge difference. Lamar Fields, those guys were greatest Tier

644
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: two guys. To me, you need to take a quarterback

645
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: that could run in fantasy. It's why I loved Anthony

646
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: Richards and later on I know, like Dak had a

647
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: great year, Jordan Love was really good, Brock Purdy, but

648
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: those guys ceiling is capped at being top five because

649
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: they don't run enough to be the QB one like

650
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: a Josh Allen or a Jalen Hurts. You need to run,

651
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: so I think it is worth taking those rushing quarterbacks,

652
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: even if you have to take them around or two earlier.

653
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: Then they're the quarterbacks who give you similar passing stats

654
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: to them.

655
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: I think the point remains that for the guys who

656
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: aren't running, you have to be incredibly efficient throwing the football.

657
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: Brock Purty's got almost forty three hundred passing yards this year.

658
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: You know, the thirty one touchdowns eleven interceptions, Like that works.

659
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: I mean, look Aaron.

660
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: Rodgers during the end of his time in Green Bay,

661
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: when he was throwing for twenty eight thirty touchdowns with

662
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: the two interceptions and giving you forty five hundred yards.

663
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: That worked for him. But it's just a lot harder

664
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 1: to do that if you're not running the football. And

665
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: I just think that when you get those guys at

666
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: the top again, you feel confident about the range of outcome.

667
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: The other part of this is, and I know Mahomes

668
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: is gonna be sort of the guy we point at

669
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: and talk about this though I think we've been overreacting

670
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: on Mahomes. I think the biggest crime that Patrick Mahomes

671
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 1: did against us this year was just not have video

672
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: game like numbers that we kept sitting and waiting, and

673
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: I know I was guilty of this. I kept saying that, hey, look,

674
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna get one of these thirty point games, right,

675
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: it's coming. It has to be coming, it's Patrick Mahomes,

676
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: it's Andy Reid, it's the Chiefs. They'll figure it out. No,

677
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: it never happened. But at the same time, he was

678
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: still top ten in fantasy points per game. He was

679
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: the QB seven overall, and you go back and you look,

680
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: and more than anything, he was just let down by

681
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: the guys around him. The Chiefs led the league in drops.

682
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: That's a lot of unrealized air yards. That's a lot

683
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: of potential touchdowns that went by the wayside, where if

684
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: maybe they have half that number of drops. Talking about

685
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes again being a top five, maybe even top

686
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: three fantasy quarterback, I you know, I don't know. I

687
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: have this weird feeling that next year and it's gonna

688
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: be a weird thing to say that Patrick Mahomes is

689
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: gonna end up being a fantasy value because everybody's gonna

690
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: be freaked out and nervous about what happens, and like

691
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna fall. He'll be like drafted as like the

692
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: QB six or seven, and then you know, he'll be

693
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes again. I shouldn't wonder how this happened.

694
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: He should go top five. The issue is, and it's

695
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: not a Patrick Mahomes issue. I think it was a

696
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: fantasy community issue. He should never go first quarterback off

697
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: the board. And I know that is crazy because he

698
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: is the best quarterback in real life. But in the

699
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: two years he's twice in his career finished as the

700
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: QB one in both of those seasons fifty one hundred

701
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: passing yards and fifty touchdowns fifty two hundred and fifty

702
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: passing yards forty one, like he needs video like you

703
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: were saying, video game off the chart five and forty

704
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: to make up for the fact that he doesn't run

705
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: like Hurts or Allen, so should be top five. I

706
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: expect much better numbers out of him next year because

707
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: I think they add to the wide receiver room. I

708
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: just don't think we should be taking him over those

709
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 2: rushing quarterbacks, even though he can be the QB one.

710
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: I always break things down into like a percentage range

711
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: of possibility. He needs to be off the charts good,

712
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: Whereas I would argue that Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts

713
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: are having down years passing wise this year, and they're

714
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: still running away at the quarterback position. It doesn't matter

715
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: because of what they give you with their legs. Yeah,

716
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: I think that's gonna be the thing that we talk

717
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: about next year. Also, a different conversation is and is

718
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: something that Cynthia Frielan mentioned on NFL Fantasy Live, is

719
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 2: will the tush push be as successful next year?

720
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: Once defensive had an offseason to sort of scheme up

721
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: for it, and the offensive line gets a little bit older,

722
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: maybe that's not a successful which does take away a

723
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: lot from Jalen Hurts his potential fantasy production next season.

724
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: Of the top ten quarterbacks for this year, the guys

725
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: who right now are sitting at the top of the

726
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: standings there Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, dak Jordan Love,

727
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: Brock Purty, Mahomes, Golf, Baker Mayfield to a tongue of Iiloa.

728
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: Which of those guys you think is most likely to

729
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: fall out of the top ten next year out of

730
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: this year's top ten? Yeah, well, Baker Mayfield, I think

731
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 1: that's an easy one. The rest I think are all

732
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: pretty secure.

733
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: In maybe Jared Goff, but like as long as brock

734
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: Purdy has Shanahan and those weapons, I think he will

735
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: be top ten. I think Mahomes will easily be top ten.

736
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 2: Jordan Love could fall out of that, but he also

737
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: could get better. Like I don't think Jordan Love or

738
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 2: Baker and maybe I don't know about Golf or Party

739
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: going drafted as top ten because I think we'll pull CJ.

740
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: Stroud up. I think we'll pull Justin Herbert up. I

741
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: think we'll pull Anthony Richardson up, Justin Fields. So I

742
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: think those pocket passers will get knocked out of the

743
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: top ten. But I would not be surprised at all

744
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: if after the twenty twenty four season, if those guys

745
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: are still top ten.

746
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, that's gonna be the thing, because you know,

747
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: figure Herbert, healthy, Herbert probably gets back closer there. You

748
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: mentioned Justin Field, Joe Burrow.

749
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: There's a lot of.

750
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: Guys who I think would normally be top ten that

751
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: for various reasons, didn't land there this year. Throwing the

752
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: fact that there's always gonna be one surprise, right, there's

753
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: gonna be one guy that sort of comes seemingly out

754
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: of nowhere to jump into the top ten. I mean, look,

755
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: who knows what a healthy Anthony Richardson does if he's

756
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: able to run the football the way he has. So

757
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: but I'm with you Williams, Caleb Williams. Look the way

758
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: Michael Pennock's played the Sugar Bowl. You know there's gonna

759
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: be a lot of excitement about him as well, depending

760
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: on where he lands. But yeah, Baker Mayfield's kind of

761
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: the easy one to point out and be like, yeah,

762
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: you're You're probably out next year without a doubt.

763
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: Last thing that at least I have that that went

764
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 3: really well this year.

765
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: This rookie class, I think really acquitted itself very very well.

766
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: I went through and looked at the guys who were

767
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: top twelve at their respective positions.

768
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 3: Jamior Gibbs was the RB eight.

769
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: For as much as we were frustrating with Jean Robinson,

770
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: he was the RB twelve. Pukan acup of the wide

771
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: receiver five. Sam Laporta the tight end one. He was

772
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: the top tight end as a rookie, So to hell

773
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: with all your rookie tight ends don't produce in fantasy narratives.

774
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: Sam Laporter just spit on that one.

775
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: Some other notable guys that didn't necessarily finish top twelve

776
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: but had great seasons. Devon ah Chan was to RB

777
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: twenty four or she Rice Wide Receiver twenty one's a

778
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: Flowers wide receiver twenty five.

779
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: Dalton Kincaid was the tight end thirteen.

780
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: So I know we talked about drafting rookies, and I

781
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: know it's a little bit different per position, but do

782
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: you have like an overarching process for when you're evaluating

783
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: rookies and would you say that it worked this year?

784
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: So I've only started recently, since I've worked here at

785
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: the NFL like five years, maybe to really get into

786
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: trying to learn about prospects before the NFL Draft and

787
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: all of that. And I think knowing a prospect what

788
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: you think they can do well, what they need to

789
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: work on, and knowing their skill set paired with them

790
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: knowing the landing spot and where is there going to

791
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: be opportunity for this player? Are they with a coach

792
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: who you believe can get the most out of their

793
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: skill set. I was not one hundred percent on rookies

794
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: this year because, like I thought, Quentin Johnston fell into

795
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: a favorable spot. I thought Jalen Hyatt was going to

796
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: be a favorable rookie this year. But I really hit it,

797
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: and you did, as Will Marcus. I think we crushed

798
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: it on a lot of rook Like I had Jamier

799
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: Gibbs as a top ten running back coming into the year.

800
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: I had Sam Laporta as a tight end one ranked

801
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: coming into the year. Puka Nikoua was one of my

802
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: favorite late round dart throws and I had a whole

803
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: bunch of him on teams. Kinkaid is another one I

804
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: had as a tight end one coming into the year.

805
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: So I think it works largely. And like Jayden Reid,

806
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: I was saying I want him over Christian Watson and

807
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: Romeo Dobbs at cost. So I think the process is

808
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: finding out what these players do well and where they land,

809
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: if you trust their coach, if they are in an

810
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: opportunity where they can get the ball. But my biggest

811
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: advice with rookies, Marcus, is to draft a whole bunch

812
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: of them later on because they are the ultimate lottery tickets.

813
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: We know who a lot of these veterans are, and

814
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: we could sell ourselves that, oh, this veteran on a

815
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: new team or whatever is going to break out. It

816
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: often doesn't work, but rookies. Rookies often hit because we

817
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: don't know who they are yet, and they tend to

818
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: go later in drafts, and when they hit, they are

819
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: League winners.

820
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I am a big proponent of really fit

821
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: over talent, and I don't a lot of people look

822
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: at it guys talent like his guy's really really good,

823
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, sure, But if he's in a situation,

824
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: if he's a really talented wide receiver and he lands

825
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: in a spot where they are already two or three

826
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: really talented, I mean, look at a Jackson Smith and Jigba, right,

827
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody loved his talent, loved what he could do,

828
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: loved what he did in college. But then he lands

829
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: in a situation where they've got DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett,

830
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: and it was just hard for him to consistently earn

831
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot of targets. And I think that really goes

832
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: a long way. Now look down the road.

833
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: Who knows what happens with Lockett. You know, he's the

834
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: guy who's getting a little bit older. Maybe he moves.

835
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: Aside, or he takes a lesser role, and it's JSN

836
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: that really steps forward. But I think it's hard in

837
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: the short term to just lean strictly on talent if

838
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: there isn't there are a lot of talented guys in

839
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: the NFL. There are a lot of guys who can play,

840
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who are great in college. If

841
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: you don't have a fit and a path to opportunity,

842
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: it gets a lot harder to make the case that

843
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: you're going to be a fantasy star, especially right away.

844
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: And then, like you said, drafting guys late, and it

845
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: was a thing that I really really told myself to

846
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: do this year. Instead of just leaning on muscle memory

847
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: and taking that veteran wide receiver or veteran running back

848
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: because you remember the name and maybe they had a

849
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: decent season a couple of years ago, it is worth

850
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: to take the swing on a rookie who might get

851
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: an opportunity if someone gets hurt, if somebody just doesn't

852
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: play well. Because you're right with the aging veterans, you

853
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: kind of know what it is like. Sure, maybe every

854
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: once in a while you get an Adam Thielen who

855
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: kind of pops up and has a resurgence, but generally

856
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: they're more like Alan Lazard, who goes somewhere else and

857
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: don't do anything for you. So it's worth to spend

858
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: that late pick on a rookie as opposed to, you know,

859
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: a guy whose name you.

860
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: May may already know.

861
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: Any guys out there that maybe had okay rookie seasons

862
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: that you think take a big step forward next year.

863
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: I think your opportunity thing was one hundred percent right.

864
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 2: Like we were big on Jysn, not because of who

865
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 2: the other wide receivers are ahead of him. I think

866
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: opportunity matters so often. Fantasy community thinks we are talent

867
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: evaluators and that's what we get paid, and no doubt,

868
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: piece of the puzzle figuring out who's going to get

869
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: the opportunity is as well. Like I don't think anyone

870
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: had tanked Dell ahead of JSN coming into the year,

871
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: but rookies who will take a leap, I think all

872
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: of them. I think they're mostly gonna But like I

873
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: think Jayden Reid is only getting started. I think that

874
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: this kid could be what Deebo said, maybe a little

875
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: bit less physical, but I really believe he can be

876
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: a wide receiver one in this league. Tincaid, I think

877
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 2: we saw flashes of it. I think next season, maybe

878
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 2: they get rid of Dawson Knox, who knows. I think

879
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: he can really be a top ten Fantasy tight end

880
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: and tank Dell a whole bunch of them. But one

881
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: I'm not willing to give up on yet. Call me crazy,

882
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: is Quintin Johnston. I knew it was rough, and I

883
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: know I swung him this big with Quinton Johnson this year,

884
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: he started to put it together. As the year went on,

885
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: he was getting open. He was just dropping the ball

886
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: like he had two potential game winning like sixty yard

887
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: touchdowns fall through his hands. I think with a little

888
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: bit more seasoning, with more prep, and maybe with a

889
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: better offensive minded coach there, because we know they're going

890
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: to bring someone new in, I still think Quintin Johnston

891
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: could be something in this league and that you're gonna

892
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: get him at a huge discount next year because everyone

893
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: is gonna say this guy stinks he can't catch. But

894
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: look at I mean, Keenan Allen could be gone, Mike

895
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: Williams could be gone, who knows what the new regime

896
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: will do, but Quentin Johnson will be there and will

897
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: get an opportunity.

898
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 3: That's interesting.

899
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: I you know, look, the Chargers aren't gonna give up

900
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: on him yet. Obviously after one season. There's a reason

901
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: they drafted him where they did, and he did make

902
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: some flashes late in the year. I'm looking at Rashawn

903
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: Johnson in Chicago because Deontae Foreman is going to be

904
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: a free agent this year. And look, Foreman has played

905
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: a nice role for them, but we also know he

906
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: is a role player if we're talking about this team

907
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: really trying to level up on offense, because defensively, the

908
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: Bears are not a bad team, right they they you know,

909
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: they struggled, you know, at times, but they're not a

910
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: bad defensive team. They go out and get Marvin Harrison Junior,

911
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: they go out and get some help on the offensive

912
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: line to really load up on this offense, to help

913
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: out justin fields. That also goes a long way toward

914
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: helping Rushawn Johnson. And even if even I Khalil Herbert's

915
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: still there and it's just a two man backfield, we

916
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: can deal with that. The three headed attack is gonna

917
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: be a problem. Johnson is a good back and we

918
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: kept saying it. His big crime was that he was

919
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: stuck behind Vijon Robinson at Texas. But he is a

920
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: good running back who flashed at times this year. And

921
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: I really do think he's gonna be a guy who

922
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: would be a nice value because he's gonna be hanging

923
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: around in the middle rounds. He's not gonna you know,

924
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: rock it up draft boards, but I do think there's

925
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: a big opportunity coming for him next year, and I'm

926
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: very excited to kind of see what he can be.

927
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm just curious because the Bears have a really big

928
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: offseason ahead of them, and I'm curious to see what

929
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: they're gonna do and how they're gonna make it work.

930
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: For the second straight year, they are the talk of

931
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: the NFL offseason.

932
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks David Tepper that Haven for literally trading everything away.

933
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: I saw the play the other day, fourth and twenty.

934
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: Davis Mills heaves it and I think Jordan Atkins catches it,

935
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: and it was like, this play gave the Bears two

936
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: first round picks and it is in first overall picks

937
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: and it's insane.

938
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: Yep. Absolutely, that's just absolutely wild.

939
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: So I'm sure Adam Rank is going to be, you know,

940
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: drooling over the possibilities.

941
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: The crazy thing is the Texans did that and still

942
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: came away as huge winners.

943
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: Yep, with Dell and Stroud. I guess CJ.

944
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: Stroudy get Tank Dell, you know, still have a chance

945
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, and definitely the.

946
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: Trajectory is going upward for the Houston Texans.

947
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: They really should, if not build a statue to Lovey Smith,

948
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, at least have a Lovey Smith Appreciation.

949
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: Day or something next year the stadium.

950
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: So all right, so let's just get the started in

951
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: our twenty twenty three recap. We'll come back later the

952
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: week Thursday, we'll be back with you and we'll talk

953
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: about some of the bad things. We'll not to you know,

954
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, gird our loins or something, and get

955
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: ready to talk about some bad stuff for a little

956
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: bit next week. We'll also get you ready for Week eighteen.

957
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: Some DFS plays as well in that show, so'll be

958
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,959
Speaker 1: prepared for that. But that'll do it for this edition

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00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. They happy, safe and healthy,

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00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: do good and live well. Enjoy the week, everybody, and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you again soon