Speaker 1: The volume. Hi, everybody, Welcome into the Friday Morning Podcast.
Speaker 1: My buddy Mike Silver. In about ten minutes, we'll stop
Speaker 1: by some thoughts on the Niners, some thoughts on Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: some thoughts on ob j and Lamar. Thoughts on Dan
Speaker 1: Snyder mercifully finally selling the Washington football team, the Commanders.
Speaker 1: He's been a bad owner. It's hard to explain to
Speaker 1: somebody in their twenties or early thirties how popular Washington
Speaker 1: was back in the seventies and eighties. It was the
Speaker 1: Washington at the time Redskins, not the Green Bay Packers
Speaker 1: that were on TV every weekend. The biggest rivalry in
Speaker 1: the NFL at that time was Washington head coach George
Speaker 1: Allen and the Cowboys and head coach Tom Landry. Second
Speaker 1: was probably Steelers Chuck Noll and the Raiders. Some of
Speaker 1: that was John Madden, I believe as the coach or
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, Don Shula, like Dan Snyder, has done an
Speaker 1: egregious job. I mean, Donald Sterling was a bad guy
Speaker 1: and a bad owner. But the Clippers were never a
Speaker 1: huge brand. Marge Shot took the Cincinnati Reds arguably the
Speaker 1: most popular franchise in the seventies early eighties and ruined him.
Speaker 1: And Dan Snyder did as good a job as you
Speaker 1: possibly could do to ruin and tarnish a great name.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter whose quarterback Billy Kilmer in the seventies,
Speaker 1: it could be Joe Thiseman, Mark Rippin, Doug Williams. Washington
Speaker 1: was really good for a long time, but Snyder was greedy,
Speaker 1: treated people poorly about the money, about himself and hopefully
Speaker 1: the new owners. I mean, it can't be difficult. We'll
Speaker 1: just embrace the community. When I was a kid growing up,
Speaker 1: the first game I ever remember watching was nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 1: It was January or February. It was the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: between Washington and the Miami Dolphins on a small black
Speaker 1: and white TV in my bedroom downstairs. We had a
Speaker 1: Frank Lloyd flat roof house in Grayland, Washington, and downstairs
Speaker 1: I had a little black and white TV. And I
Speaker 1: can remember on a Sunday watching a Super Bowl in
Speaker 1: my little black and white TV. It wasn't nearly as
Speaker 1: big back then, and garyya Premium was a kicker for
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. He screwed up fourteen to seven. Dolphins
Speaker 1: beat Washington in the Super Bowl. He screwed up, tried
Speaker 1: to pass a ball, Washington grabbed it. That was our
Speaker 1: only touchdown of the game. But those Washington teams were
Speaker 1: my favorite. Diron Talbert, Charlie Taylor, the wide receiver Larry Brown,
Speaker 1: the running back Billy Kilmer, the quarterback Mike Bass, the
Speaker 1: cornerback Pat Fisher, Chris Hanburger. That was literally, you know,
Speaker 1: fifty years ago, and I can remember half the roster
Speaker 1: and it just remained. Joe Gibbs took over what a
Speaker 1: proud franchise and Dan Snyder basically killed a great brand.
Speaker 1: Killed it hard to do. I mean it just it
Speaker 1: would be the equivalent of ruining the Braves or the
Speaker 1: Dodgers or the Yankees brand. The equivalent of that, It
Speaker 1: would be the equivalent of ruining Michigan football or Oklahoma football,
Speaker 1: just ruining the bank. How bad would you have to
Speaker 1: be for how long to completely ruin the brand? People
Speaker 1: now don't even think of Washington as a top ten franchise,
Speaker 1: forget winning just merchandise. There used to be a twenty
Speaker 1: five year waiting list waiting list for season tickets for Washington.
Speaker 1: Look it up back in the seventies and eighties. It's
Speaker 1: hard to explain to people that are twenty five years
Speaker 1: old or thirty five years old how big Washington was.
Speaker 1: They were part of the biggest rivalry in the National
Speaker 1: Football League with the Dallas Cowboys. So Snyder has been
Speaker 1: an utter disaster. Robert Sarver with a Phoenix suns Marde
Speaker 1: shot Donald Sterling. It is. It's not like owning any
Speaker 1: other business. It's front facing, it's public. Your employees are
Speaker 1: vital rock stars in a community, part of the charitable
Speaker 1: part of the community, the entertainment portion of your community.
Speaker 1: They're in schools with kids, they're filling stadiums, they're starting businesses.
Speaker 1: You know, pro sports can mean so much to a community,
Speaker 1: and so you have to get the right owners. It's funny.
Speaker 1: I go skiing in Utah and the area I ski
Speaker 1: has some really beautiful homes on the mountain and one
Speaker 1: of them is Dan Snyder's, and every time I ski
Speaker 1: buy it. I'm like god, worst owner in pro sports
Speaker 1: the sport. I love worst owner right there, good riddens.
Speaker 1: One of the things I love about having Draymond Green
Speaker 1: as part of the volume is that I think there
Speaker 1: are two athletes or former athlet eats in America that
Speaker 1: stand above the rest in terms of being analysts. The
Speaker 1: best former athlete currently a TV analyst for any network
Speaker 1: in any sport is Charles Barkley. He literally gets in
Speaker 1: the news cycle. He is in the news cycle. He
Speaker 1: creates stories, and the reason he does is because he's
Speaker 1: brootally honest. I'm watching him the other night and Charles
Speaker 1: Barkley comes out and says, don't waste your time, some
Speaker 1: of these games aren't worth watching. Why he would get
Speaker 1: criticism from the blogs shows you how out of touch
Speaker 1: the blogs are. That's why he's popular, because the blogs
Speaker 1: play it safe and Barkley doesn't. Let's face at Celtics,
Speaker 1: Sixers Bucks easily the best teams in the East. Miami's
Speaker 1: good enough to make somebody uncomfortable. Cleveland's good enough to
Speaker 1: make somebody uncomfortable. Those are the three best teams now.
Speaker 1: The West is wide open, the East isn't. And the
Speaker 1: second person a current athlete that is also a podcaster
Speaker 1: or broadcaster is Draymond Green. Draymond and Charles to me
Speaker 1: are the best current or former players in any sport Baseball, football, basketball, hockey, MLS.
Speaker 1: Why because they're fearless doesn't mean they're reckless, They're fearless.
Speaker 1: And it's a great example of the Internet. Twitter is
Speaker 1: constantly rewarding people who play it safe and say the
Speaker 1: right things. And Barkley's not on Twitter, and Draymond doesn't
Speaker 1: give a shit. And for all you young broadcasters out there,
Speaker 1: twenty two percent of the country is on Twitter, seventy
Speaker 1: eight percent aren't. It's not real life. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: nobody in the NFL, and I work at a network
Speaker 1: with a lot of good analysts. There's nobody in the
Speaker 1: NFL that says relevant or creates news like Barkley. And
Speaker 1: I think mostly because people are a little timid, a
Speaker 1: little fearful of saying something that rocks the boat, contrarian
Speaker 1: getting beat up on social media. But I love the
Speaker 1: fact that Draymond Green came out and said I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe Lebron was gas the other night. Draymond is friends
Speaker 1: with Lebron James. He doesn't care. I have no problem
Speaker 1: with most analysts have relationships. I mean, Troy Aikman obviously
Speaker 1: knows Jerry Jones, but I never felt Troy Aikman had
Speaker 1: a problem ripping Jerry Jones and criticizing Jerry Jones. But
Speaker 1: I think that shows the fortitude and the fearlessness of
Speaker 1: Draymond Greene is he doesn't care about his relationships. The
Speaker 1: bottom line here is Lebron did look gassed. Jason McIntyre
Speaker 1: was at the game, game was over, Lebron was done.
Speaker 1: Hands on hips. It should be twenty twentieth year in
Speaker 1: the NBA, but I think Barkley and Draymond have really separated.
Speaker 1: Not to say others don't have talent, they have separated
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Speaker 1: My buddy Mike Silver, part of the volume, longtime NFL reporter,
Speaker 1: writes for Ballet Sports in the San Francisco Chronicle. Actually,
Speaker 1: begin they're gonna be doing some warrior games since he
Speaker 1: knows Steve Kerran knows hoops, which is great. We'll get
Speaker 1: into that in a second. So, Daniel Snyder, it's hard
Speaker 1: to ruin a great brand, right, like like like Downald
Speaker 1: Sterling was a bad human, but that was never a
Speaker 1: great brand, right. Robert Sarver did all he could to
Speaker 1: ruin the Suns, but it wasn't a huge national brand. Seventies, eighties, nineties,
Speaker 1: Washington was the Packers. I mean they were when I
Speaker 1: was a kid growing up. They were the franchise after
Speaker 1: Dallas and the Steelers, it's it's such a great fan base, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people felt, despite the harassment charges,
Speaker 1: that the owners would support Dan Snyder and he would
Speaker 1: just figure out a way despite bad pr to hang around.
Speaker 1: Any insight to what possibly happened, well, I think one
Speaker 1: thing that happened is that one of his own publicly
Speaker 1: started talking about maybe kicking him out. And I know
Speaker 1: Jim murs say really, really well. I admire his conviction.
Speaker 1: He goes against the grain at times. It's possible Jim
Speaker 1: Mursay just spoke honestly and from his heart. It's also
Speaker 1: possible that Jim Ursay had had some conversations with other
Speaker 1: owners who said, you know what, we agree with you,
Speaker 1: and if you say that, you know you'd have our
Speaker 1: at least quiet support. But that was not insignificant when
Speaker 1: Jim Ursay started public you know, came out publicly and said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe we should get rid of this guy.
Speaker 1: And Jim Ursay has three daughters, he's very close to him.
Speaker 1: He didn't like the way that the allocations against Stan
Speaker 1: Snyder were selling NFL owners and the league. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: prior to that, it had been thought well, a lot
Speaker 1: of owners have skeletons. Trust me, I worked I worked
Speaker 1: for them for eight years. Trust me. They do a
Speaker 1: whole other podcast topic. But you know a lot of
Speaker 1: owners have skeletons, and a lot of owners more charitably
Speaker 1: could have people come out of the woodwork to accuse
Speaker 1: them of things that maybe aren't totally accurate. But they
Speaker 1: didn't want to open that can of worms where you know, okay,
Speaker 1: if accusations happen, it sets the stage for these franchises.
Speaker 1: They want to be generational that while we've been on
Speaker 1: this podcast that you know, each one is appreciated and
Speaker 1: another hundred thousand dollars or something. You know, they didn't
Speaker 1: want to open that can of worms. And remember Jerry
Speaker 1: Richardson and face some pretty serious allegations just passed away recently.
Speaker 1: That problem got solved because he was older and he
Speaker 1: was just done. He was like, you know what, fine,
Speaker 1: I'm out. And they didn't have to The NFL owners
Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with it. The NBA solved the
Speaker 1: problem twice by throwing money at the problem. Essentially a
Speaker 1: having the balls Adam Silver on its like first day
Speaker 1: on the job to say you're out. Donald Stirling, whether
Speaker 1: it's constitutional or not. And then a giant offer from
Speaker 1: Steve Ballmer and again with the sons that happened with Starvers.
Speaker 1: So you know, this is a little bit of all
Speaker 1: of that. Daniel Sneider wasn't gonna make it easy and
Speaker 1: walk away, but I think once he heard Jim Mursay
Speaker 1: say that, he realized, man, something has turned. Now the
Speaker 1: next least popular owner is Jimmy Haslum, who infuriated owners
Speaker 1: for another reason and agreed bad fully guaranteed contract to
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. So if we had a ranking of least
Speaker 1: popular owners among other billionaire owners, haslam now is number one. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: that's so cool that you broached that because I used
Speaker 1: to do oder rakings. As far as I know, I'm
Speaker 1: the only one who I did them annually for SI
Speaker 1: dot com and then Yahoo, and of course they were
Speaker 1: my rankings about who I thought were doing the best
Speaker 1: jobs of owning teams. But that actually has my wheels spitting, Like,
Speaker 1: what about an insight e oder rakings of which owners
Speaker 1: are the most hated among the other owners. And you know,
Speaker 1: you bring up a good point, but I think in
Speaker 1: the end, you know, yeah, that frustrated other owners that
Speaker 1: Jimmy Haslum did that because now we got to deal
Speaker 1: with this guaranteed contract stuff. And other owners didn't like
Speaker 1: it when David Tepper came in and gave Matt Rule.
Speaker 1: Sound weird in retrospect, but gave Matt Rule all that
Speaker 1: money because it messed up the coaching contract market. But
Speaker 1: I feel like owners get over that stuff, you know, eventually,
Speaker 1: but the you know what, owners can't get over allegations
Speaker 1: if proven, and maybe we'll never know that one owner,
Speaker 1: Daniel Snyder allegedly cooked the books and screwed them out
Speaker 1: of their share of the gate. That's less forgivable, you
Speaker 1: know for the billionaire set. So yeah, they tend to
Speaker 1: stick together. They tend to not want to set precedents like, oh,
Speaker 1: a couple of accusations could knock ex owner out of
Speaker 1: the league and make them lose this incredible investment. But
Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Snyder put them through the rigor in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and Ursy possibly knowing that he
Speaker 1: spoke for a larger contingent, was kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is a nightmare. Look if the Colts
Speaker 1: play the Commanders, if they're still called that at the
Speaker 1: FedEx Field or a new stadium at Jim Ursay takes
Speaker 1: the field pregame to go schmooz. He should get like
Speaker 1: an adoring celebration at a prolonged ovation from those Washington
Speaker 1: fans for a huge, huge assist on getting Daniel Snyder
Speaker 1: the f out, because heaven knows, it's been long coming
Speaker 1: and it's tough to shed any tears. By the way,
Speaker 1: there's usually about any given time about seven or eight
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks in the NFL, seven or eight great coaches
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and seven or eight great gms in
Speaker 1: the league. I'd argue they're not seven or eight great owners.
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious, Like yeah, I mean that's again like
Speaker 1: doing the Rakings all those years. I really had to
Speaker 1: think about it. You would here, I'll say it a
Speaker 1: different way. You would think that the people who own
Speaker 1: NFL teams because they've succeeded or been born into success.
Speaker 1: But the ones who succeeded, you'd think they're competitive people.
Speaker 1: And now they're in the public eye. You'd think thirty
Speaker 1: two people would be going after it. I'll do anything
Speaker 1: to win. Nah, it's a much, much, much smaller number.
Speaker 1: There's a large segment of ownership. That's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: franchises appreciating. We're guaranteed a profit simply from the TV
Speaker 1: deals alone. And if we win, cool. If we win
Speaker 1: once in a while, great, If we win more than
Speaker 1: once in a while, right on, let's ride that wave.
Speaker 1: But they're not living and breathing in it. So when
Speaker 1: I did the rankings, the people who lived and breathed
Speaker 1: it aggressively trying to generate revenue and then aggressively tried
Speaker 1: to look for ways to spend that revenue, either through
Speaker 1: salary cap manipulation or non cap expenditures. Like coaches. I
Speaker 1: put very high, which is paradoxically weirdly, in my very
Speaker 1: first owner rankings, I had Daniel s Or crazy high
Speaker 1: because my thought was, yeah, he's he's got terrible people's skills.
Speaker 1: He does things to undermine his coach at GM by
Speaker 1: budding up to players, but at least he's trying really
Speaker 1: hard to get money and use that money to win,
Speaker 1: and he really wanted to win. He fell more and
Speaker 1: more as the rankings went on, and unfortunately the rankings
Speaker 1: didn't go on long enough for him to really really
Speaker 1: you know, go to his rightful place. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: I just wanted to give a very brief history lesson
Speaker 1: for you non old people. And you'll remember some of
Speaker 1: this column. You probably weren't paying his close of attention.
Speaker 1: But the old NFL I called the bullet Burrow bosses.
Speaker 1: You had all these families that kind of had teams,
Speaker 1: and they were like, we're gonna share everything. We're just
Speaker 1: gonna share the revenue from the TV deals, We're gonna
Speaker 1: share a revenue from the gate. We're gonna split it up,
Speaker 1: and we're all gonna do things equally. And you know,
Speaker 1: as lefty as I could get sometimes when it comes
Speaker 1: to NFL economics, I'm very like invisible hand free market.
Speaker 1: And I sided with the Eddie de barbelows of the
Speaker 1: Jerry Joneses who shook things up and said, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: why are we sitting around, you know, taking our guaranteed
Speaker 1: money and not trying to aggressively generate revenue. We're these
Speaker 1: incredibly valuable franchises. Let's get after it. And it turned
Speaker 1: they tried to turn that into ways to get ahead
Speaker 1: on the field and to the point where, oh, we
Speaker 1: got to create a salary capture. So the NFL has
Speaker 1: a lot of communist socialist properties, they share money, they
Speaker 1: have a worse Shelby first scheduling formula. They have a
Speaker 1: worse Shelby first draft formula. And I could go on
Speaker 1: and on and on about you know, central control and
Speaker 1: all that, but you know there are there's still some
Speaker 1: old Guard owners who subscribe to that model. And I
Speaker 1: will give it to Daniel Snyder that he was not
Speaker 1: one of those. So I want to talk about the
Speaker 1: Niners because you have such in depth, you have tentacles
Speaker 1: all over that organization. And by the way, increasingly when
Speaker 1: I follow your Twitter feed, all your critics are lightening
Speaker 1: up because you've been right so many times and broken
Speaker 1: so many stories. They are like silver, I hate, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: what's the latest news. So the trail hand stuff is interesting.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Jordan Palmer the other day and
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, if you look at the offense
Speaker 1: San Francisco runs, a lot of these plays are scheme
Speaker 1: to succeed. Sam Darnold's going to have the best protection,
Speaker 1: the best weapons, the best coach he's ever had. And
Speaker 1: we know he's a big, strong, athletic kit and coachable
Speaker 1: and hard working. He's just not accurate enough. But this
Speaker 1: system makes you more accurate. Don't be shocked if Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo's not nearly as good with the Raiders as he
Speaker 1: was of the Niners. So brock Purty, I think the
Speaker 1: franchise likes a lot, and Sam Darnold in house, we
Speaker 1: all know at some point, and I think the Niners
Speaker 1: are and even some of the soundbites and some of
Speaker 1: the quotes from your articles, they're going to move off
Speaker 1: something if they missed. They're not going to try to
Speaker 1: double down on wrong. Let's just be honest. Could Tray
Speaker 1: Lance be moved before the season. He could, but I
Speaker 1: believe that brock Purty's injury and the uncertainty that still
Speaker 1: surrounds his recovery made that much much less likely. Before
Speaker 1: the playoffs, I wrote and reported it's over. Brock Purty's
Speaker 1: the guy because they want to go with this model
Speaker 1: where they pay everybody and have the quarterback on the
Speaker 1: rookie deal. Yeah, that's that's what trading for that pick
Speaker 1: was about. That's what drafting Lance was supposed to be about.
Speaker 1: And with Purdie, the models even better. You're not even
Speaker 1: allowed to reopen his contract for two more years. It's
Speaker 1: even cheaper than Trail as his deal, and they and
Speaker 1: he showed Kyle Shandahan. You know, people are like, well,
Speaker 1: how can you say Purty. I'm like, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: Kyle believes it based on what he saw from Purdy.
Speaker 1: He's the guy. So going into that Philly game for
Speaker 1: the Conference championship, the only thing that could have derailed
Speaker 1: that plan was what happened. If Rock Purty had broken
Speaker 1: his leg, it would have been brutal and it would
Speaker 1: have hurt and it would have sucked. But they would
Speaker 1: have been like, fine, he'll come back. It's because of
Speaker 1: what happened to was throwing elbow. You're not totally sure, Ay,
Speaker 1: you're not sure when, and b you're still not positive
Speaker 1: that it's gonna be like it was before. And I
Speaker 1: have PTSD because a lot of my Twitter critics probably
Speaker 1: weren't born when I was right about the Joe Batana
Speaker 1: Steve Young stuff. But Joe Batana missed basically two seasons
Speaker 1: after elbow surgeries, and he did come back after that
Speaker 1: and have two really really good years with the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: but nothing is promised. And so I think because of that,
Speaker 1: it gives them an opening to say, look, we knew
Speaker 1: Lance was going to take a while to develop because
Speaker 1: he was raw. It's taken longer. It didn't work when
Speaker 1: we just handed it to him last year. We ended
Speaker 1: up having to bring Garoppolo back as a hedge and
Speaker 1: ultimately turned to Party. But maybe we can develop him
Speaker 1: and use this offseason to get him some more reps.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if this offense makes you more accurate,
Speaker 1: because you're going to have to be more accurate than
Speaker 1: or consistently accurate than Trey Lance was before he got
Speaker 1: hurt last year. But you know, there's still a lot
Speaker 1: of things to potentially like about him. So I believe
Speaker 1: what they'll do is they'll say, look, Party's not going
Speaker 1: to be here till at least the start of the season,
Speaker 1: maybe longer. We're gonna split reps between Lance and Darnold.
Speaker 1: See how they react, see what we have. Basically, if
Speaker 1: one of them has to start the opener, it's the
Speaker 1: guy we think gives us the best chance to win.
Speaker 1: And I think one thing that people are missing here
Speaker 1: is that when they say, well, they're gonna trade tray
Speaker 1: lads and admit their mistake, Yeah, eventually they're going to
Speaker 1: admit their mistake. If it was a mistake, but they're
Speaker 1: not fielding offers to like get back in the first
Speaker 1: round for tray Lads. And I know it only takes
Speaker 1: one team, but if they trade tray Lads now, I
Speaker 1: think it's for a three or something. And so I
Speaker 1: just don't think you have urgency too. You don't know
Speaker 1: about Pertie. You'd like another option, you'd like to see
Speaker 1: if you could develop a more because you do have
Speaker 1: a lot invested in them. You're not paying them a lot,
Speaker 1: and you could always move them, you know, a year
Speaker 1: from now, if it goes the way you wanted to
Speaker 1: with Perty, and possibly if it does with Darnold. So
Speaker 1: I think if someone called him and said we will
Speaker 1: give you a two like something, they thought, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they yeah. I think if someone calls it says we'll
Speaker 1: give you a three for tray Lads, they go a three. Well,
Speaker 1: let's see, we currently have ninety six picks in the
Speaker 1: third round. Ye, not all these guys are gonna make
Speaker 1: our team. I mean, I just don't think. I think
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a chance to you know, develop them
Speaker 1: this offseason. Maybe they will. I don't even think they'll
Speaker 1: necessarily get offered to three, right now. But listen, if
Speaker 1: he goes out and looks good in the preseason and
Speaker 1: possibly earlier the season, they could get a lot more
Speaker 1: for him a year from now. So you went to
Speaker 1: cal Aaron Rodgers did. But Aaron Rodgers has gotten a
Speaker 1: little bit more indifferent and critical of the media over
Speaker 1: the last several years. And I said this on the
Speaker 1: show today. There's a lot of reports now that this
Speaker 1: thing won't get done Jets and Packers until after the draft.
Speaker 1: So Green Bay does have a need at tied end
Speaker 1: that's fairly urgent. They'll probably draft a tight end in
Speaker 1: the first round. They need another receiver, pretty thin and
Speaker 1: young at receiver. They'll go that in the second round.
Speaker 1: But the roster is good, not great, but it's good.
Speaker 1: It's not San Francisco, it's not Philadelphia. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's as good maybe as you know a Buffalo or
Speaker 1: as you know the top teams in the AFC. But
Speaker 1: it's a good roster. I believe that Aaron if he
Speaker 1: just came out and just said, guys, I'm in for
Speaker 1: two years minimum, it would be over. Then the Jets
Speaker 1: would be like, okay, we know it, you know it.
Speaker 1: But I said this today and I've been critical of Aaron.
Speaker 1: But Aaron's too smart to not know that once you
Speaker 1: take the most money, you won't have the best roster.
Speaker 1: He took the money. He's too smart to think, yeah,
Speaker 1: two rookie receivers, I'm not going to work with him
Speaker 1: in the off season. That'll work great. I honestly think
Speaker 1: that we all make choices on what matters to us.
Speaker 1: You have a great family, great friends in your career.
Speaker 1: You have prioritized those and they're all strong. Some people
Speaker 1: care about their career, some people care about social life
Speaker 1: somewhat less stress. Aaron's made a decision, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and winning. Second, what he wants is control roll over
Speaker 1: the media, over situations, over the Packers. That he could
Speaker 1: end all this bullshit. He can end the drama, Mike.
Speaker 1: If he just said two years I'm in, I'll think
Speaker 1: about a third. Why doesn't he do that? Well, First
Speaker 1: of all, I've also made some bad decisions in terms
Speaker 1: of priorities, specifically continuing to root for cal which is
Speaker 1: you know, no, and I joke, but you know, charitably,
Speaker 1: for Aaron, I would say this, he said he was
Speaker 1: thinking about retiring, you know, very seriously recently that's what
Speaker 1: he you know, will take up at his word. It's
Speaker 1: I think it's better not to say I've been for
Speaker 1: two years if you're not sure that you are. And sure,
Speaker 1: he could say I've been for two years and you
Speaker 1: know by December being like, oh, I'm you know, this
Speaker 1: is terrible, I'm out of here. But maybe it's to
Speaker 1: his credit that he's not sure he's in for two years.
Speaker 1: And listen, I know I know from talking to my
Speaker 1: sources that the Jets understand that there's a scenario where
Speaker 1: he only plays one and they are not telling the packers. Sorry, man,
Speaker 1: you know, we take it or leave it. What they're
Speaker 1: saying to the packers is, look, man, you know if
Speaker 1: he comes and he plays one year, we give up
Speaker 1: all this. That seems kind of skewed. Is there a
Speaker 1: mechanism in this trade where if that happens, we get
Speaker 1: something back after he retires, And I think that's you know,
Speaker 1: they consider that a reasonable request. So yeah, Aaron could
Speaker 1: end that if he just said I'm in for two.
Speaker 1: But maybe it's to Aaron's credit that he's not saying
Speaker 1: that because he's just not sure. Your guess how long
Speaker 1: he would play with the Jets. I think it's two.
Speaker 1: It could. You know, Aaron's career, first year as a
Speaker 1: starter in Green Bay, first year with Hackett, it has
Speaker 1: taken him usually because I've been told he's not a
Speaker 1: big grinder in the offseason like a Brady A Peyton
Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson, that Aaron's second year is usually the
Speaker 1: year he pops. Well, I don't think he wants to
Speaker 1: do a one walk off and be average. I think
Speaker 1: I think he wants to end. It's good for his legacy,
Speaker 1: it's good for money, it's good. I think he wants
Speaker 1: to have a reviable year and I don't think his
Speaker 1: first year, frankly, is going to be great. But he
Speaker 1: doesn't consider this year one first of all, Year one
Speaker 1: with Hackett on the floor was a whole new scheme
Speaker 1: and that I believe that was a legitimate adjustment. By
Speaker 1: the way they got to the NFC Championship game. He
Speaker 1: did not have a great statistical year, but they went
Speaker 1: thirteen to three. He got to the NFC Championship Game.
Speaker 1: But I think the way that he and the Jets
Speaker 1: are thinking of this is this is essentially year four
Speaker 1: after a gap, because it's Hackett, and because it's that offense.
Speaker 1: And it's not like Hackett plus the floor by the
Speaker 1: way attack, it plus Salo, who's like you run the offense.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'll keep an eye on my specialty,
Speaker 1: which is defense. So if you believe that Aaron and
Speaker 1: Hackett are now resuming a very fruitful partnership that won
Speaker 1: consecutive MVPs their next two years together, and it's the
Speaker 1: Jets receivers and other players who are going to have
Speaker 1: to adjust to that, Aaron may not think it's he
Speaker 1: Aaron probably thinks I'm going to just be rolling for
Speaker 1: the get go. But going back to what you said earlier,
Speaker 1: just as he made a decision not to work with
Speaker 1: the new receivers a year ago, when clearly, as Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahobes could tell you, that was an important thing to
Speaker 1: do for winning, I think that's what you need to
Speaker 1: look at. If this trade doesn't get done Draft weekend,
Speaker 1: you will probably hear I suspect, Hey, it turns out
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and Garrett Wilson and Alan Lazard and you
Speaker 1: know all those Jets targets are working out in la
Speaker 1: or somewhere and there because there's nothing to stop him.
Speaker 1: You can't say he's tampering, and you can't say Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson's tampering. So I think it is important to hit
Speaker 1: the ground running at year one and that that'll be
Speaker 1: the way we know if there's no trade right away
Speaker 1: or the next couple of weeks, would I would expect
Speaker 1: we'll see him and those guys for the Jets start
Speaker 1: to work together, as Mike Silver is prone to do
Speaker 1: either strong opinions or breaking stories. There was a report
Speaker 1: about Nick Cesario, former Patriot now running the Texans, that
Speaker 1: he may be going back to New England, which would
Speaker 1: not shock me because cal McNair and I've got pretty
Speaker 1: good intel on this. It's one of the stranger owners
Speaker 1: to work within the NFL. I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. Tell me your thoughts on that rumor, because
Speaker 1: I think Demiko Ryans is gonna now mostly run the show.
Speaker 1: Is it a power struggle? What is it? So I
Speaker 1: piled onto this rumor today and I'll walk you through.
Speaker 1: You know, we live in this little insular, gossipy world
Speaker 1: and it is so quaint on social media or otherwise.
Speaker 1: When people say they don't leak, the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: don't leak. They don't talk, and fans think they know
Speaker 1: things and that journalists would never know things because they
Speaker 1: don't leak. Like, if you fans understood how much talking
Speaker 1: is going on at all times in our little world,
Speaker 1: you would be you know, your mind would be. I'm
Speaker 1: not I won't reveal too many secrets, but you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Oh yeah, So at the owners meetings recently,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people there, including me, and
Speaker 1: a lot of drinking, lot of talking, and I heard
Speaker 1: a lot of talking about Nick as Sarrio, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't hearing, hey, I want to go back to New England.
Speaker 1: I was hearing, hey, he's out, He's gonna be out now.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear it from a source or source says
Speaker 1: good enough to report this is happening. So I want
Speaker 1: to be clear. I heard that rumor along with other people,
Speaker 1: that Nick Cassario is going to be out after the draft,
Speaker 1: and that would presumably be a hey, we're hiring Debiko Ryans. Demiko,
Speaker 1: don't worry, we're gonna get you. Let you get your
Speaker 1: own GM. Just let's wait, let's do it after the draft.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, Debco Ryans put a hit on him but
Speaker 1: it was just part of the process of bringing in
Speaker 1: de Vico Ryans as I heard it now. I didn't
Speaker 1: report this because this was basically other people in our
Speaker 1: world GMS coaches the kind of people who go to
Speaker 1: owner meetings telling me, Hey, this is what I have
Speaker 1: been hearing, and they usually know things. So I didn't
Speaker 1: report it. I just stood on it. Then some rumor
Speaker 1: reports of rumors started coming out, so finally I piled
Speaker 1: onto a tweet from Mike Florio who said the rumor
Speaker 1: is next Casserio blah blah blah, and I said, to
Speaker 1: further flesh out that rumor, the talk is that the
Speaker 1: Texans would then target forty nine Ers assistant general manager
Speaker 1: Adam Peters. So I guess I'm now piling onto a
Speaker 1: report of a rumor. It's not reporting this is happening,
Speaker 1: but I am reporting that there's a lot of talk
Speaker 1: that Nickosserio, none of his own volition, would be gone
Speaker 1: after the draft, and that Damiko Ryan's guy that they
Speaker 1: would want is Adam Peters. They've obviously worked together in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Adam Peters is a very well regarded personnel
Speaker 1: guy who took his name out of the hat when
Speaker 1: Tennessee and Arizona had their recent openings and basically said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I like it in San Francisco. I like being John
Speaker 1: Lynch's number two. I'm good for now. Now. That could
Speaker 1: have been theoretically with knowledge that hey, he's and is
Speaker 1: looking like it might happen. That could have happened independently,
Speaker 1: or these could all be rumors, But I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think there was so much talk that at least
Speaker 1: this is being pondered. Um, all right, let's pivot to
Speaker 1: you're going to cover some games for the San Francisco Chronicle.
Speaker 1: You're good friends with Steve Kerr. They're easily the most
Speaker 1: interesting team in the league. So first of all, tell
Speaker 1: the audience most No, many don't your relationship with Kerr,
Speaker 1: who I covered in Portland and you've known for years.
Speaker 1: Well so back when I was learning about journalism in
Speaker 1: high school, they would have told you you have you
Speaker 1: can't cover you know a guy or a team that
Speaker 1: you love and you know we as you know, we
Speaker 1: don't root for teams the way fans do. That's not
Speaker 1: a thing. But I have to go full disclosure on
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr, and he could he knows how I was
Speaker 1: taught because he and I we're high school journalists. Together.
Speaker 1: We co wrote a sports column for our high school
Speaker 1: paper in Los Angeles. The paper was called The Palisades Tideline.
Speaker 1: Our column was called the Rip Tide, and it lived
Speaker 1: down to its name. Trust And you know he is.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a very good friend of mine, an
Speaker 1: awesome person, and as we do with friends, I stick
Speaker 1: up for him. I'm so proud of all the things
Speaker 1: about it, including his coaching. So it's I can't be
Speaker 1: an objective person when it comes to him. But there's
Speaker 1: another wrinkle to this. I did grow up in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: but I was like the only Warrior fan at our
Speaker 1: school because I was born in San Francisco, So I
Speaker 1: got clowned by everyone, including Steve Kerr for being the
Speaker 1: Warrior guy. So the deliciousness of all of this and
Speaker 1: the run of the last nine years a lifelog Warrior
Speaker 1: fan working for NFL Network for most of it, so
Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about journalism because I don't
Speaker 1: cover basketball and Steve it's been an incredible ride. Well,
Speaker 1: now I'm at the San Francisco Chronicle. I am a columnist,
Speaker 1: and though columnists give their opinion. You know, we cover things.
Speaker 1: And so now I've been this weird position where it's
Speaker 1: like I'm not really a Warrior fan anymore because I'm
Speaker 1: a columnist, but I grew up one. I've been one
Speaker 1: for all these cur years. And of course I am
Speaker 1: rooting for my friend. So I am going to write
Speaker 1: the first of several Warrior columns that it's I'm gonna
Speaker 1: write it after this podcast and probably to borrow boarding,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go full disclosure. Steve Currs, my boy,
Speaker 1: here are some things I love about them. But you know,
Speaker 1: of course, what Steve and I talk about this stuff
Speaker 1: a joke. I've always like, yeah, dude, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: the game has passed you by. If the Warriors know,
Speaker 1: anyone could coach the Warriors, but it's time for a change,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna bring the hammer down. Mike Silver is
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