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Speaker 1: The volume. Hi, everybody, Welcome into the Friday Morning Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My buddy Mike Silver. In about ten minutes, we'll stop

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Speaker 1: by some thoughts on the Niners, some thoughts on Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: some thoughts on ob j and Lamar. Thoughts on Dan

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Speaker 1: Snyder mercifully finally selling the Washington football team, the Commanders.

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Speaker 1: He's been a bad owner. It's hard to explain to

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Speaker 1: somebody in their twenties or early thirties how popular Washington

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Speaker 1: was back in the seventies and eighties. It was the

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Speaker 1: Washington at the time Redskins, not the Green Bay Packers

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Speaker 1: that were on TV every weekend. The biggest rivalry in

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Speaker 1: the NFL at that time was Washington head coach George

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Speaker 1: Allen and the Cowboys and head coach Tom Landry. Second

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Speaker 1: was probably Steelers Chuck Noll and the Raiders. Some of

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Speaker 1: that was John Madden, I believe as the coach or

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins, Don Shula, like Dan Snyder, has done an

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Speaker 1: egregious job. I mean, Donald Sterling was a bad guy

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Speaker 1: and a bad owner. But the Clippers were never a

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Speaker 1: huge brand. Marge Shot took the Cincinnati Reds arguably the

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Speaker 1: most popular franchise in the seventies early eighties and ruined him.

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Speaker 1: And Dan Snyder did as good a job as you

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Speaker 1: possibly could do to ruin and tarnish a great name.

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Speaker 1: It didn't matter whose quarterback Billy Kilmer in the seventies,

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Speaker 1: it could be Joe Thiseman, Mark Rippin, Doug Williams. Washington

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Speaker 1: was really good for a long time, but Snyder was greedy,

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Speaker 1: treated people poorly about the money, about himself and hopefully

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Speaker 1: the new owners. I mean, it can't be difficult. We'll

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Speaker 1: just embrace the community. When I was a kid growing up,

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Speaker 1: the first game I ever remember watching was nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 1: It was January or February. It was the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: between Washington and the Miami Dolphins on a small black

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Speaker 1: and white TV in my bedroom downstairs. We had a

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Speaker 1: Frank Lloyd flat roof house in Grayland, Washington, and downstairs

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Speaker 1: I had a little black and white TV. And I

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Speaker 1: can remember on a Sunday watching a Super Bowl in

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Speaker 1: my little black and white TV. It wasn't nearly as

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Speaker 1: big back then, and garyya Premium was a kicker for

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Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. He screwed up fourteen to seven. Dolphins

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Speaker 1: beat Washington in the Super Bowl. He screwed up, tried

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Speaker 1: to pass a ball, Washington grabbed it. That was our

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Speaker 1: only touchdown of the game. But those Washington teams were

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Speaker 1: my favorite. Diron Talbert, Charlie Taylor, the wide receiver Larry Brown,

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Speaker 1: the running back Billy Kilmer, the quarterback Mike Bass, the

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Speaker 1: cornerback Pat Fisher, Chris Hanburger. That was literally, you know,

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Speaker 1: fifty years ago, and I can remember half the roster

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Speaker 1: and it just remained. Joe Gibbs took over what a

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Speaker 1: proud franchise and Dan Snyder basically killed a great brand.

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Speaker 1: Killed it hard to do. I mean it just it

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Speaker 1: would be the equivalent of ruining the Braves or the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers or the Yankees brand. The equivalent of that, It

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Speaker 1: would be the equivalent of ruining Michigan football or Oklahoma football,

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Speaker 1: just ruining the bank. How bad would you have to

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Speaker 1: be for how long to completely ruin the brand? People

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Speaker 1: now don't even think of Washington as a top ten franchise,

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Speaker 1: forget winning just merchandise. There used to be a twenty

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Speaker 1: five year waiting list waiting list for season tickets for Washington.

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Speaker 1: Look it up back in the seventies and eighties. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to explain to people that are twenty five years

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Speaker 1: They were part of the biggest rivalry in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League with the Dallas Cowboys. So Snyder has been

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Speaker 1: an utter disaster. Robert Sarver with a Phoenix suns Marde

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Speaker 1: shot Donald Sterling. It is. It's not like owning any

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Speaker 1: other business. It's front facing, it's public. Your employees are

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Speaker 1: vital rock stars in a community, part of the charitable

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Speaker 1: part of the community, the entertainment portion of your community.

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Speaker 1: They're in schools with kids, they're filling stadiums, they're starting businesses.

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Speaker 1: You know, pro sports can mean so much to a community,

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Speaker 1: and so you have to get the right owners. It's funny.

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Speaker 1: I go skiing in Utah and the area I ski

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Speaker 1: has some really beautiful homes on the mountain and one

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Speaker 1: of them is Dan Snyder's, and every time I ski

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Speaker 1: buy it. I'm like god, worst owner in pro sports

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Speaker 1: the sport. I love worst owner right there, good riddens.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I love about having Draymond Green

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Speaker 1: as part of the volume is that I think there

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Speaker 1: are two athletes or former athlet eats in America that

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Speaker 1: best former athlete currently a TV analyst for any network

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Speaker 1: the news cycle. He is in the news cycle. He

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Speaker 1: brootally honest. I'm watching him the other night and Charles

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Speaker 1: Barkley comes out and says, don't waste your time, some

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Speaker 1: of these games aren't worth watching. Why he would get

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Speaker 1: criticism from the blogs shows you how out of touch

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Speaker 1: the blogs are. That's why he's popular, because the blogs

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Speaker 1: play it safe and Barkley doesn't. Let's face at Celtics,

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Speaker 1: Sixers Bucks easily the best teams in the East. Miami's

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Speaker 1: good enough to make somebody uncomfortable. Cleveland's good enough to

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Speaker 1: make somebody uncomfortable. Those are the three best teams now.

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Speaker 1: The West is wide open, the East isn't. And the

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Speaker 1: second person a current athlete that is also a podcaster

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Speaker 1: or broadcaster is Draymond Green. Draymond and Charles to me

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Speaker 1: are the best current or former players in any sport Baseball, football, basketball, hockey, MLS.

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Speaker 1: Why because they're fearless doesn't mean they're reckless, They're fearless.

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Speaker 1: And it's a great example of the Internet. Twitter is

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Speaker 1: constantly rewarding people who play it safe and say the

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Speaker 1: right things. And Barkley's not on Twitter, and Draymond doesn't

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Speaker 1: give a shit. And for all you young broadcasters out there,

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Speaker 1: twenty two percent of the country is on Twitter, seventy

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Speaker 1: eight percent aren't. It's not real life. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: nobody in the NFL, and I work at a network

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Speaker 1: with a lot of good analysts. There's nobody in the

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Speaker 1: NFL that says relevant or creates news like Barkley. And

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Speaker 1: I think mostly because people are a little timid, a

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Speaker 1: little fearful of saying something that rocks the boat, contrarian

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Speaker 1: getting beat up on social media. But I love the

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Speaker 1: fact that Draymond Green came out and said I couldn't

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Speaker 1: believe Lebron was gas the other night. Draymond is friends

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Speaker 1: with Lebron James. He doesn't care. I have no problem

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Speaker 1: with most analysts have relationships. I mean, Troy Aikman obviously

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Speaker 1: knows Jerry Jones, but I never felt Troy Aikman had

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Speaker 1: I think that shows the fortitude and the fearlessness of

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Speaker 1: Draymond Greene is he doesn't care about his relationships. The

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Speaker 1: bottom line here is Lebron did look gassed. Jason McIntyre

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Speaker 1: Hands on hips. It should be twenty twentieth year in

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Speaker 1: the NBA, but I think Barkley and Draymond have really separated.

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Speaker 1: Not to say others don't have talent, they have separated

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Speaker 1: My buddy Mike Silver, part of the volume, longtime NFL reporter,

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Speaker 1: writes for Ballet Sports in the San Francisco Chronicle. Actually,

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Speaker 1: begin they're gonna be doing some warrior games since he

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Speaker 1: knows Steve Kerran knows hoops, which is great. We'll get

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Speaker 1: into that in a second. So, Daniel Snyder, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to ruin a great brand, right, like like like Downald

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Speaker 1: Sterling was a bad human, but that was never a

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Speaker 1: great brand, right. Robert Sarver did all he could to

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Speaker 1: ruin the Suns, but it wasn't a huge national brand. Seventies, eighties, nineties,

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Speaker 1: Washington was the Packers. I mean they were when I

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Speaker 1: Dallas and the Steelers, it's it's such a great fan base, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people felt, despite the harassment charges,

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Speaker 1: that the owners would support Dan Snyder and he would

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Speaker 1: Any insight to what possibly happened, well, I think one

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Speaker 1: thing that happened is that one of his own publicly

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Speaker 1: Jim murs say really, really well. I admire his conviction.

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Speaker 1: Mursay just spoke honestly and from his heart. It's also

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Speaker 1: possible that Jim Ursay had had some conversations with other

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Speaker 1: and if you say that, you know you'd have our

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Speaker 1: at least quiet support. But that was not insignificant when

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Speaker 1: Jim Ursay started public you know, came out publicly and said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: prior to that, it had been thought well, a lot

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Speaker 1: of owners have skeletons. Trust me, I worked I worked

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Speaker 1: whole other podcast topic. But you know a lot of

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Speaker 1: owners have skeletons, and a lot of owners more charitably

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Speaker 1: didn't want to open that can of worms where you know, okay,

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Speaker 1: That problem got solved because he was older and he

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Speaker 1: was just done. He was like, you know what, fine,

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Speaker 1: having the balls Adam Silver on its like first day

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Speaker 1: on the job to say you're out. Donald Stirling, whether

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Speaker 1: it's constitutional or not. And then a giant offer from

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Speaker 1: Steve Ballmer and again with the sons that happened with Starvers.

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Speaker 1: So you know, this is a little bit of all

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Speaker 1: of that. Daniel Sneider wasn't gonna make it easy and

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Speaker 1: walk away, but I think once he heard Jim Mursay

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Speaker 1: say that, he realized, man, something has turned. Now the

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Speaker 1: next least popular owner is Jimmy Haslum, who infuriated owners

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. So if we had a ranking of least

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Speaker 1: popular owners among other billionaire owners, haslam now is number one. Right. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's so cool that you broached that because I used

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Speaker 1: my rankings about who I thought were doing the best

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Speaker 1: the end, you know, yeah, that frustrated other owners that

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Speaker 1: If he just said two years I'm in, I'll think

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Speaker 1: about a third. Why doesn't he do that? Well, First

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Speaker 1: of all, I've also made some bad decisions in terms

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Speaker 1: of priorities, specifically continuing to root for cal which is

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Speaker 1: you know, no, and I joke, but you know, charitably,

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Speaker 1: for Aaron, I would say this, he said he was

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Speaker 1: thinking about retiring, you know, very seriously recently that's what

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Speaker 1: he you know, will take up at his word. It's

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Speaker 1: I think it's better not to say I've been for

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Speaker 1: two years if you're not sure that you are. And sure,

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Speaker 1: he could say I've been for two years and you

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Speaker 1: know by December being like, oh, I'm you know, this

436
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Speaker 1: is terrible, I'm out of here. But maybe it's to

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Speaker 1: his credit that he's not sure he's in for two years.

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Speaker 1: And listen, I know I know from talking to my

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Speaker 1: sources that the Jets understand that there's a scenario where

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00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: he only plays one and they are not telling the packers. Sorry, man,

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00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, we take it or leave it. What they're

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00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: saying to the packers is, look, man, you know if

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Speaker 1: he comes and he plays one year, we give up

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Speaker 1: all this. That seems kind of skewed. Is there a

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Speaker 1: mechanism in this trade where if that happens, we get

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Speaker 1: something back after he retires, And I think that's you know,

447
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: they consider that a reasonable request. So yeah, Aaron could

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00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: end that if he just said I'm in for two.

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Speaker 1: But maybe it's to Aaron's credit that he's not saying

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Speaker 1: that because he's just not sure. Your guess how long

451
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Speaker 1: he would play with the Jets. I think it's two.

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Speaker 1: It could. You know, Aaron's career, first year as a

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Speaker 1: starter in Green Bay, first year with Hackett, it has

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Speaker 1: taken him usually because I've been told he's not a

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Speaker 1: big grinder in the offseason like a Brady A Peyton

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Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson, that Aaron's second year is usually the

457
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Speaker 1: year he pops. Well, I don't think he wants to

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Speaker 1: do a one walk off and be average. I think

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Speaker 1: I think he wants to end. It's good for his legacy,

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Speaker 1: it's good for money, it's good. I think he wants

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Speaker 1: to have a reviable year and I don't think his

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00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: first year, frankly, is going to be great. But he

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Speaker 1: doesn't consider this year one first of all, Year one

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00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: with Hackett on the floor was a whole new scheme

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Speaker 1: and that I believe that was a legitimate adjustment. By

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Speaker 1: the way they got to the NFC Championship game. He

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00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: did not have a great statistical year, but they went

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Speaker 1: thirteen to three. He got to the NFC Championship Game.

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Speaker 1: But I think the way that he and the Jets

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Speaker 1: are thinking of this is this is essentially year four

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00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: after a gap, because it's Hackett, and because it's that offense.

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Speaker 1: And it's not like Hackett plus the floor by the

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Speaker 1: way attack, it plus Salo, who's like you run the offense.

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'll keep an eye on my specialty,

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00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: which is defense. So if you believe that Aaron and

476
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: Hackett are now resuming a very fruitful partnership that won

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Speaker 1: consecutive MVPs their next two years together, and it's the

478
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Speaker 1: Jets receivers and other players who are going to have

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Speaker 1: to adjust to that, Aaron may not think it's he

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Speaker 1: Aaron probably thinks I'm going to just be rolling for

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Speaker 1: the get go. But going back to what you said earlier,

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Speaker 1: just as he made a decision not to work with

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Speaker 1: the new receivers a year ago, when clearly, as Patrick

484
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Speaker 1: Mahobes could tell you, that was an important thing to

485
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Speaker 1: do for winning, I think that's what you need to

486
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: look at. If this trade doesn't get done Draft weekend,

487
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: you will probably hear I suspect, Hey, it turns out

488
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and Garrett Wilson and Alan Lazard and you

489
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: know all those Jets targets are working out in la

490
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: or somewhere and there because there's nothing to stop him.

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Speaker 1: You can't say he's tampering, and you can't say Garrett

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Speaker 1: Wilson's tampering. So I think it is important to hit

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Speaker 1: the ground running at year one and that that'll be

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Speaker 1: the way we know if there's no trade right away

495
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: or the next couple of weeks, would I would expect

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00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: we'll see him and those guys for the Jets start

497
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: to work together, as Mike Silver is prone to do

498
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: either strong opinions or breaking stories. There was a report

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Speaker 1: about Nick Cesario, former Patriot now running the Texans, that

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Speaker 1: he may be going back to New England, which would

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00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: not shock me because cal McNair and I've got pretty

502
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: good intel on this. It's one of the stranger owners

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Speaker 1: to work within the NFL. I'll just leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. Tell me your thoughts on that rumor, because

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Speaker 1: I think Demiko Ryans is gonna now mostly run the show.

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00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: Is it a power struggle? What is it? So I

507
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: piled onto this rumor today and I'll walk you through.

508
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: You know, we live in this little insular, gossipy world

509
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: and it is so quaint on social media or otherwise.

510
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: When people say they don't leak, the forty nine ers

511
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: don't leak. They don't talk, and fans think they know

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Speaker 1: things and that journalists would never know things because they

513
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: don't leak. Like, if you fans understood how much talking

514
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: is going on at all times in our little world,

515
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: you would be you know, your mind would be. I'm

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00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: not I won't reveal too many secrets, but you know

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00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. Oh yeah, So at the owners meetings recently,

518
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people there, including me, and

519
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: a lot of drinking, lot of talking, and I heard

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00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: a lot of talking about Nick as Sarrio, and I

521
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: wasn't hearing, hey, I want to go back to New England.

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00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: I was hearing, hey, he's out, He's gonna be out now.

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00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: I didn't hear it from a source or source says

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00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: good enough to report this is happening. So I want

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00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: to be clear. I heard that rumor along with other people,

526
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: that Nick Cassario is going to be out after the draft,

527
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: and that would presumably be a hey, we're hiring Debiko Ryans. Demiko,

528
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: don't worry, we're gonna get you. Let you get your

529
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: own GM. Just let's wait, let's do it after the draft.

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00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, Debco Ryans put a hit on him but

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Speaker 1: it was just part of the process of bringing in

532
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: de Vico Ryans as I heard it now. I didn't

533
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: report this because this was basically other people in our

534
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: world GMS coaches the kind of people who go to

535
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: owner meetings telling me, Hey, this is what I have

536
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: been hearing, and they usually know things. So I didn't

537
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: report it. I just stood on it. Then some rumor

538
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: reports of rumors started coming out, so finally I piled

539
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: onto a tweet from Mike Florio who said the rumor

540
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: is next Casserio blah blah blah, and I said, to

541
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: further flesh out that rumor, the talk is that the

542
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: Texans would then target forty nine Ers assistant general manager

543
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: Adam Peters. So I guess I'm now piling onto a

544
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: report of a rumor. It's not reporting this is happening,

545
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: but I am reporting that there's a lot of talk

546
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: that Nickosserio, none of his own volition, would be gone

547
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: after the draft, and that Damiko Ryan's guy that they

548
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: would want is Adam Peters. They've obviously worked together in

549
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Adam Peters is a very well regarded personnel

550
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: guy who took his name out of the hat when

551
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: Tennessee and Arizona had their recent openings and basically said, Hey,

552
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: I like it in San Francisco. I like being John

553
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: Lynch's number two. I'm good for now. Now. That could

554
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: have been theoretically with knowledge that hey, he's and is

555
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: looking like it might happen. That could have happened independently,

556
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: or these could all be rumors, But I don't think.

557
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: I think there was so much talk that at least

558
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: this is being pondered. Um, all right, let's pivot to

559
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: you're going to cover some games for the San Francisco Chronicle.

560
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: You're good friends with Steve Kerr. They're easily the most

561
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: interesting team in the league. So first of all, tell

562
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: the audience most No, many don't your relationship with Kerr,

563
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: who I covered in Portland and you've known for years.

564
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: Well so back when I was learning about journalism in

565
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: high school, they would have told you you have you

566
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: can't cover you know a guy or a team that

567
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: you love and you know we as you know, we

568
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: don't root for teams the way fans do. That's not

569
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: a thing. But I have to go full disclosure on

570
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr, and he could he knows how I was

571
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: taught because he and I we're high school journalists. Together.

572
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: We co wrote a sports column for our high school

573
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: paper in Los Angeles. The paper was called The Palisades Tideline.

574
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: Our column was called the Rip Tide, and it lived

575
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: down to its name. Trust And you know he is.

576
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: You know, he's a very good friend of mine, an

577
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: awesome person, and as we do with friends, I stick

578
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: up for him. I'm so proud of all the things

579
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: about it, including his coaching. So it's I can't be

580
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: an objective person when it comes to him. But there's

581
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: another wrinkle to this. I did grow up in Los Angeles,

582
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: but I was like the only Warrior fan at our

583
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: school because I was born in San Francisco, So I

584
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: got clowned by everyone, including Steve Kerr for being the

585
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: Warrior guy. So the deliciousness of all of this and

586
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 1: the run of the last nine years a lifelog Warrior

587
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: fan working for NFL Network for most of it, so

588
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about journalism because I don't

589
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: cover basketball and Steve it's been an incredible ride. Well,

590
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: now I'm at the San Francisco Chronicle. I am a columnist,

591
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: and though columnists give their opinion. You know, we cover things.

592
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: And so now I've been this weird position where it's

593
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: like I'm not really a Warrior fan anymore because I'm

594
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: a columnist, but I grew up one. I've been one

595
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: for all these cur years. And of course I am

596
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: rooting for my friend. So I am going to write

597
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: the first of several Warrior columns that it's I'm gonna

598
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: write it after this podcast and probably to borrow boarding,

599
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go full disclosure. Steve Currs, my boy,

600
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: here are some things I love about them. But you know,

601
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: of course, what Steve and I talk about this stuff

602
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: a joke. I've always like, yeah, dude, I'm gonna say

603
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: the game has passed you by. If the Warriors know,

604
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: anyone could coach the Warriors, but it's time for a change,

605
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna bring the hammer down. Mike Silver is

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