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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, December seventh, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen,
Speaker 2: episode number eighty four. Welcome to the latest edition of
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Speaker 2: day to get you ready for Cowboys Versus Eagles, a
Speaker 2: day we're going to focus in on the Eagles defense
Speaker 2: versus the Cowboys offense. We get some updates here at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the show. Patrick, let's start there first.
Speaker 2: Yesterday I was out, but I did see the news
Speaker 2: that won Mike McCarthy had a little medical issue that
Speaker 2: was going on. What do we know at this point
Speaker 2: about him in his availability.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a little bit of a medical scare happened in
Speaker 6: real time while while we were doing the show yesterday.
Speaker 6: But Mike showed up to the facility yesterday to try
Speaker 6: to go through his normal rigamarou and he didn't feel well,
Speaker 6: had some abdominal pain. He was gonna try to tough
Speaker 6: through it, but you know, his Knights of the Roundtable,
Speaker 6: Dad and his coordinators, they looked at him and said,
Speaker 6: you don't look well, go get it checked out. And
Speaker 6: so he did, thankfully. But it was found out that
Speaker 6: he had a cute Appendicidi's so good that he caught
Speaker 6: that early because I don't wanted to burst right because
Speaker 6: it could be life threatening if at birst. So he
Speaker 6: underwent surgery yesterday and I'm told that he is released
Speaker 6: and he is recovering now when the expectation remains that
Speaker 6: he will be available to coach against the Eagles. I
Speaker 6: spoke with Bones Fossil yesterday in the locker room just
Speaker 6: to kind of get a sense of if the Cowboys
Speaker 6: know if Mike is going to be up in the
Speaker 6: box orf he's going to be on the sideline, and
Speaker 6: Fossil doesn't know quite yet, but my speculation, pure speculation.
Speaker 6: My speculation is that Mike is going to be on
Speaker 6: the sideline. I think Mike wants to give that energy
Speaker 6: to his team and show them that he's there for
Speaker 6: them and do everything possible. So as long as there's
Speaker 6: no setback, knock on Wood, because it is a medical situation,
Speaker 6: the expectation is he'll be on the field or at
Speaker 6: least in some capacity present so that he can coach
Speaker 6: against the Eagles.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the one where I was. I hear
Speaker 2: you say he'd be on the sideline. I don't even
Speaker 2: know if that is that possible, because when you've got
Speaker 2: some done before on the sideline though, like that's a
Speaker 2: different thing, like when you get cut. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you've ever had surgery. I've had surgery on my
Speaker 2: stomach before. And for like the next couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: I was kind of walking really slow and kind of
Speaker 2: hunched over a bit to be on a sideline and
Speaker 2: standing for contact three hours and risking the fact that
Speaker 2: some play runs toward you and now you got to
Speaker 2: move quickly. I don't know if that's even possible right now.
Speaker 3: This is a doctor's decision is going to be, you know,
Speaker 3: And yeah, Mike will probably try and tough it out
Speaker 3: and all that I was told about. Dan Campbell came
Speaker 3: one time to training camp with appendicitis and then he
Speaker 3: practiced like a week later, so he was like, you know,
Speaker 3: you feel better along the way, but this is totally
Speaker 3: a coach's decision. I was laughing because it reminded me
Speaker 3: of everybody talking yesterday. It was like when back in
Speaker 3: the day. This reminded me of Dick Cheney at the
Speaker 3: White House when they president was out. Vice President was,
Speaker 3: I mean, everything's cool. I'm here, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 3: everybody fire behind you, everybody's talking like the White House,
Speaker 3: you know, word coach hands, everybody's good, Country's on him.
Speaker 3: Country's gonna be fine, you know. And I just it
Speaker 3: just reminded me of that. But it's almost as big
Speaker 3: as the White House, this place. But yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 3: We'll see if if, if the doctors allow him, Mike,
Speaker 3: Mike will try and fight through it. Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 3: it would, and but yeah, it's going to be their call.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I did read yesterday North Turner. I
Speaker 2: suppose he had one years ago. He had some similar
Speaker 2: situation happened on Friday, and he coached the game on Sunday.
Speaker 2: What I didn't hear was whether he was in the
Speaker 2: booth or on the sideline, which to me is it.
Speaker 2: That's a huge difference. But you know, and you know
Speaker 2: I talked about that yesterday Ambro. I just, man, that
Speaker 2: seems that seems like a big stretch to be on
Speaker 2: a sideline.
Speaker 3: A few days later, Let's look at the positive.
Speaker 6: Just make sure Cable is standing next to him, ensure
Speaker 6: no content.
Speaker 7: Cable will make sure. And by the way, Cable is
Speaker 7: what is it his actual title, He's.
Speaker 8: Like the head of security or he's always say this
Speaker 8: version of basically Ryan calls him the Viking because he
Speaker 8: looks like is big and strong and.
Speaker 3: He looks right off the boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll make sure nobody gets to Mike. If Mike
Speaker 2: he looking right in front of no.
Speaker 7: But I started the more I thought about it, I'm like,
Speaker 7: if he is, let's say where he does have to
Speaker 7: be on the booth in a booth maybe and just
Speaker 7: maybe this helps just going to see the different the
Speaker 7: game in a different perspective. And against Seattle, we were
Speaker 7: questioning some of those calls that happen later in the game,
Speaker 7: and some of those decisions. Maybe you by him being
Speaker 7: in a separate environment, you you think differently. And I'm
Speaker 7: thinking this game is going to be a very close one.
Speaker 7: I don't see either team just completely blowing out the
Speaker 7: other one. So I think it's very it's going to
Speaker 7: be a close one, and most likely than not they
Speaker 7: might be they might end up in a situation where
Speaker 7: those decisions will be will play a huge role in
Speaker 7: this game, in the outcome. So I'm just saying, maybe
Speaker 7: maybe it's all meant to happen for his health and
Speaker 7: for the health of the team and what happens this weekend.
Speaker 7: But I do think that even being on the booth,
Speaker 7: I see positive sides to it rather than negative.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean there's pros and cons to it. Obviously
Speaker 6: there's a reason DQ is up in the booth, gives
Speaker 6: him the birds. I view real life all twenty two
Speaker 6: as it's happening, So I mean, obviously that would to
Speaker 6: Amborun's point, he would give a different perspective for Mike
Speaker 6: as far as play calling, which is a huge benefit.
Speaker 6: The negative there would be that you don't have the
Speaker 6: immediate feedback and collaboration that you would have on the
Speaker 6: sideline with Dak Prescott and some of the receivers. So
Speaker 6: it's a little bit of a trade off. But I
Speaker 6: just want Mike to do whatever is best for his
Speaker 6: health and that's the bottom line. And ultimately it does
Speaker 6: sound like he will be available to coach at the game.
Speaker 6: What his location is between him and the doctors, but
Speaker 6: I'm sure they'll get it figured out.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting thought because I never have really noticed
Speaker 2: during games. I don't know if you guys have. I've
Speaker 2: seen some head coaches who call plays, going back and
Speaker 2: talking to their play their players while they're on the sideline.
Speaker 2: I've never really noticed that. With Mike. It always seems
Speaker 2: to me like he's up that the front, still watch,
Speaker 2: still engage with the game. Have you guys seen that much?
Speaker 3: I think Scott Tolzine is the one guy. It's funny
Speaker 3: because Brian Schottenheimer stands at one end of the bench
Speaker 3: and it's like he stands opposite of where Mike is. Okay,
Speaker 3: and then you've got Linda Wells and that he's responsible
Speaker 3: for getting personnel in and out of the game. Londaz Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so you'll see, so Mike is standing right there
Speaker 3: with him, But I usually see Scott Tolzine is the
Speaker 3: one that sits down with Dak and Cooper Rush when
Speaker 3: it comes to any type of work that need to
Speaker 3: go through and sequencing on their pads or things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean, it'll be interesting if he's not
Speaker 2: one that typically spends a whole lot of time with
Speaker 2: players on the sideline. Maybe that's not an effect that
Speaker 2: you feel if he's in the press box as you
Speaker 2: do other times, taking.
Speaker 3: In assets because of the games. Is that what we're doing.
Speaker 2: That's that's thanks to my good old trustee, next Gen
Speaker 2: Stat's website I'm looking at anyway. Yeah, so, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I'm interested to see number one.
Speaker 2: Where is he and then what's difference? Is there really
Speaker 2: a difference based on what he typically does in a game?
Speaker 2: Is there really a difference? What I do know is
Speaker 2: this offense is really really playing at a high level
Speaker 2: right now. I really don't want anything, right, I don't
Speaker 2: want anything, Thames. But obviously this week, due to these circumstances,
Speaker 2: something's going to probably be a little bit different, and
Speaker 2: hopefully Michael just be in a good headspace to be
Speaker 2: able to do what he normally does coming off with surgery,
Speaker 2: and he'll be, as you said, his medical situation will
Speaker 2: be taken care first and foremost. All Right, let's talk
Speaker 2: about a roster move Cowboys made yesterday Peyton Hindershot activated.
Speaker 2: He is now back to the fifty three man roster.
Speaker 2: Sean Kune now takes his spot on I R. Brian.
Speaker 2: I see your eyebrows. Raise you feel about that?
Speaker 3: Tell you what now you feel about that? Man? I'm
Speaker 3: in a good You're talking about being in a good
Speaker 3: space right now. You know what. I think this more
Speaker 3: has to do with and he's stealing. McEwan's dealing with
Speaker 3: an ankle injury right now. That's going to cost him
Speaker 3: some time here for the next four weeks. But I
Speaker 3: think they're more confident with Hunter Lipke being that fullback role.
Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit easier for them to
Speaker 3: say if Hunter Lipkey wasn't doing a decent enough job,
Speaker 3: then there's probably no reason to put McEwan down. You
Speaker 3: would probably say, okay, just fight through it, and you know,
Speaker 3: we'll keep playing you and you'll play special teams. But
Speaker 3: I think it's more about how they're happy with what
Speaker 3: Hunter Lipkey's done and it's allowed them to make this move.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad personally to have Hindershot back. I think
Speaker 3: he offers you another weapon. I know we haven't seen
Speaker 3: at all the tight ends. I think as a whole
Speaker 3: have been a pretty damn good group. You know, there
Speaker 3: was a lot of questions about them coming into training camp,
Speaker 3: but they've they've more than exceeded my expectations for what
Speaker 3: they've done. So adding Hindershot back, I think that's a
Speaker 3: guy that we're going to be surprised. He might make
Speaker 3: a player two that all of a sudden it's like,
Speaker 3: oh wow, we've missed that for the last four or
Speaker 3: five weeks. So I'm totally okay with this move right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Same, And like I said, you know, prior to them
Speaker 6: making the decision, I wanted to see Hindershot activated for
Speaker 6: a couple of reasons. One, if you go back and
Speaker 6: look at his rookie film, yeah he had some downs,
Speaker 6: but he had some ups. Just needs to get more
Speaker 6: control over his receiver receptions, you know, no tip drill interceptions,
Speaker 6: no drops. But when he makes a play, boys did
Speaker 6: a play. So he's flashed in a way that really
Speaker 6: made me excited to see the duo of him and
Speaker 6: Ferguson before the Schoolmaker pick was made. But then Ferguson
Speaker 6: kind of struggled starting the season and then he's been
Speaker 6: going ever since on IR so I wanted to see
Speaker 6: him back on the field to see how he reacts
Speaker 6: to return, how he reacts to it being the Jake
Speaker 6: Ferguson show with Schoolmaker getting involved, how do the Cowboys
Speaker 6: get Hindershot involved? What does that look like as far
Speaker 6: as that trio is concerned at a top the tight
Speaker 6: end depth chart. But also you need to see what
Speaker 6: he can give you before you get into this offseason
Speaker 6: because we're all excited about what John Stevens Junior could
Speaker 6: have been this season if not for the torn acl
Speaker 6: So we're all looking forward to seeing what he can
Speaker 6: be when he gets back on the field. And you
Speaker 6: know OTA's and mini camp and training camp and there's
Speaker 6: going to have to be a decision made months and
Speaker 6: months from now, and you just want it as a
Speaker 6: GM and as will McLain at Scouting Department, you want
Speaker 6: to be able to have as much data and film
Speaker 6: in front of you as possible when that camp battle
Speaker 6: fire is up for So for all of those reasons
Speaker 6: and more, and the more being I believe him the
Speaker 6: shot can be another weapon for Dak Prescott. This is
Speaker 6: just the smart move.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I've said this before, even yesterday.
Speaker 3: I have my doubts.
Speaker 7: He's a player that had a great start of his
Speaker 7: NFL career. He did a great job last year and
Speaker 7: what he showed everybody. I'm a fan of his and
Speaker 7: I wish him the best and I hope that he
Speaker 7: can be someone that can contribute right away in this
Speaker 7: tough month of December. And to me, it's more of
Speaker 7: the timing of how things are playing out, because even
Speaker 7: prior to the injury, he wasn't having a good year.
Speaker 7: He didn't have a good training camp, even the games
Speaker 7: that he was there, it was not good. So I
Speaker 7: think it was more on the mental side of things.
Speaker 7: Hopefully he's in a better headspace and going into this
Speaker 7: knowing that the Cowboys are opening a spot for him,
Speaker 7: which should make him feel better and given you know
Speaker 7: that they're still putting trust in him and his game.
Speaker 7: So bunch of doubts on my end, but I do
Speaker 7: I am rooting for him, and I do really like
Speaker 7: him a lot, and I hope he's able to translate
Speaker 7: good things into the field.
Speaker 6: I do really hope that you make a good point
Speaker 6: on Brus Farres his mental headspace. I really hope that
Speaker 6: he's looking at it in that capacity as far as
Speaker 6: being thankful for the opportunity and willing to step in
Speaker 6: and make some plays versus thinking to himself, it took
Speaker 6: them twenty one days, and they almost went to the
Speaker 6: buzzer with this. They don't look at it the latter
Speaker 6: look at it the former. You're on the field, go
Speaker 6: out there and make some plays and make them, make
Speaker 6: them right, prove them right, because this is the team
Speaker 6: that gave you a chance as an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 6: This is the team that gave you the reps last
Speaker 6: year so that you could flash. And so don't look
Speaker 6: at it as a took them twenty one days. Are
Speaker 6: they unsure? No, go out there and handle your business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to real quick say before we
Speaker 2: go to break, you got to give a lot of
Speaker 2: credit to Lunda Wells and what he's done with his
Speaker 2: tight end. Like you talked about this group in this room,
Speaker 2: like this, this group you're talking about guys that have
Speaker 2: that he's developed, Like Dalton Schultz. We all sat on
Speaker 2: this show. Uh you're probably you over on Talking Cowboys
Speaker 2: at the time, and we're like, yeah, I think the
Speaker 2: Dalton Schultz Show is over and this was like two
Speaker 2: of his career, but like we were like, we were like,
Speaker 2: he's not He's never going to develop and uh and
Speaker 2: and you saw him develop and turn into a really
Speaker 2: really good player for the Cowboys. And now you're looking
Speaker 2: at a guy like Jake Ferguson in his second year
Speaker 2: who is producing well enough to where I think he's
Speaker 2: going to be a part of the conversation for a
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, Like he's playing at that level. And and
Speaker 2: you start thinking about that and what Hendershott was able
Speaker 2: to do as a rookie last year, and then what
Speaker 2: we saw from even from John Stevens this year at
Speaker 2: training camp, like there are this guy knows what he's
Speaker 2: doing when it comes tight in and he has a
Speaker 2: career before the Cowboys where he had a lot of
Speaker 2: production there as well with the Giants. So I just
Speaker 2: I got to give him a little love. Londa knows
Speaker 2: what he's doing.
Speaker 3: Some people say he's actually a better off it's a
Speaker 3: line coach. Really, Yeah, that is that.
Speaker 2: He's that type of co I would trust it if you.
Speaker 3: Plugged him in as an offensive line coach, he would
Speaker 3: be just as just as productive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he knows what he's doing. He's doing a great job.
Speaker 2: And you with coaches, you always got to look at
Speaker 2: the results and look at the results over time. His
Speaker 2: results over time look pretty dark.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Lunda has been phenomenal. And I love the relationship
Speaker 6: between Lunda and the scouting department because it's you know,
Speaker 6: as well as Lunda is developing this talent, and he
Speaker 6: is most certainly doing that, the collaboration that leads to
Speaker 6: just them spotting the right kind of talent and the
Speaker 6: right fits for the situation. Because I know there was
Speaker 6: some not me because I was on the Fergie train
Speaker 6: last year, but there were some that were wondering, Okay, well,
Speaker 6: with Dolton shouts you lose him, You're losing over eight
Speaker 6: hundred yards of production. You're losing Dak Prescott's statistically his
Speaker 6: number one target. What does that look like? Okay, well,
Speaker 6: you look at Lunda Wells and he says, Jake, you're up.
Speaker 6: And then he says, schoolmaker, we can develop you while
Speaker 6: Jake is you know, So, Jake's hit another level. I
Speaker 6: think last game he tied Jason Whiten for the most
Speaker 6: receiving touchdowns through the first couple of seasons. So when
Speaker 6: you're in that conversation this early. It's good stuff.
Speaker 2: And actually that's another reason why I'm a big believer
Speaker 2: that gives Schoolmaker time. It's gonna work out, trust me,
Speaker 2: because I have faith in Lunda. Lounda knows what you're doing.
Speaker 2: They're gonna he's gonna that's fine. I'm just saying I
Speaker 2: just Londa on this one. He'll get it right. He'll
Speaker 2: get him to a point where he needs to be.
Speaker 2: And I think in a year or two we'll look
Speaker 2: back and be like, yeah, he was just growing and.
Speaker 6: Thanks to Jake, he has time to develop because he
Speaker 6: didn't have to come in kind of like Masie Smith
Speaker 6: didn't have to come in and immediately be that guy
Speaker 6: because of Jonathan Hankins, Olsa Chauncey. Same with Schoolmaker doesn't
Speaker 6: have to come in and be the definitive air to
Speaker 6: chokes because Jake Ferguson, He's wearing that crown, and I
Speaker 6: think he's gonna keep wearing that crown.
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Speaker 2: talk about the Philadelphia defense versus the Cowboys offense. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with a bigger picture question, Brian, if
Speaker 2: you had to identify one thing, that one problem that
Speaker 2: the Philadelphia defense posed for the Cowboys offense when they
Speaker 2: met earlier this season, what would you identify that to
Speaker 2: be and has that area improved for Dallas since that time.
Speaker 3: I was going to lead this thing off by saying,
Speaker 3: this game is going to come down to how will
Speaker 3: Terrence Steel plays right tackle? And it really it's whether
Speaker 3: it's Hassan Reddick, or it's a sweat or it's any
Speaker 3: number of Brandon Graham, anybody that they put over on
Speaker 3: that side that's going to rush him. You know, it's
Speaker 3: offensive lineman. You've heard me say this a bunch. They
Speaker 3: play seventy plays. If they have three bad plays, it's
Speaker 3: usually a really good game. If they have six bad plays,
Speaker 3: it's probably a pretty bad game. And Terrence Steell had
Speaker 3: his moments where he was actually pretty good watching the
Speaker 3: tape last night. Again, they've got to figure out a
Speaker 3: way to maybe help him, and now that comes at
Speaker 3: a price. The price is do you get in his
Speaker 3: way and mess him up when he's blocking. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of these offensive tackles that don't like help on
Speaker 3: the outside because backs tight ends, people get in the
Speaker 3: way of your technique, and so you have to be
Speaker 3: very mindful of can your offensive tackle handles somebody that's
Speaker 3: helping him. You know, you could chip guys, you can
Speaker 3: you can? I think the way that Cowboys can do
Speaker 3: it in this game. Is they can try and widen Reddick.
Speaker 3: And I mean I mean widen is you make him play,
Speaker 3: You make him wider in space. When you put a
Speaker 3: man to his side, he has to he's gonna on
Speaker 3: the outside shoulder. So if you know that's that would
Speaker 3: how I would do it. I would go back to
Speaker 3: the plan. Several years ago, they played Joey Bosa in
Speaker 3: a game. Actually it was Terrence Steele's first start, and
Speaker 3: it was there were times where they didn't always allow
Speaker 3: Steel to block one on one and you know, we're
Speaker 3: probably past all that, but I would just make sure
Speaker 3: I would keep Reddick as wide as possible.
Speaker 7: Now, but you don't think he's he's improved since they
Speaker 7: played the Eagles.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's improved, but I'm not going to take another chance.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna he was he was. You know, I've
Speaker 3: seen him play very very well. But that right, that
Speaker 3: right tackle spot wrecked your games last time you played.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is a problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the problem. And so yeah, you can improve,
Speaker 3: but you also, you know, you also got to make
Speaker 3: sure that you don't let it happen again. What happened
Speaker 3: the first time that you played him a week nine. Now.
Speaker 3: I'll say this though too. Last week I saw Reddick
Speaker 3: against the forty nine ers shift to the other side.
Speaker 3: So for some reason they were trying to run him
Speaker 3: not on the as the left end, but as the
Speaker 3: right end in this game and against Trent Williams, which
Speaker 3: I really didn't understand, but it might have been because
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers were able to run the ball
Speaker 3: going to their left. They had the Eagles had a
Speaker 3: problem with the toss sweep perimeter plays on the outside,
Speaker 3: so they might have put a Reddick over there to
Speaker 3: try and maybe keep people from or from the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers running the football. Adam to that side, but
Speaker 3: there's kind of going to be a game going on here.
Speaker 3: They can't let whoever's playing left end just go after
Speaker 3: steal in this football game. And I trust Steele, but
Speaker 3: I do I do want to give him some help
Speaker 3: in certain situations. It didn't have to be all the time,
Speaker 3: but I just want to make sure that we're covered
Speaker 3: on that right side.
Speaker 2: How much has the loss of Dean Cunningham their line
Speaker 2: hurt them? And way what you what is? How's it
Speaker 2: manifested itself?
Speaker 3: Than being well, I'll tell you what, when you when
Speaker 3: you look at Dean and Cunningham both they both were
Speaker 3: playing okay before in week nine, they were okay. You know,
Speaker 3: going back and looking my notes, you know, teams have
Speaker 3: had the ability to throw the ball on these guys
Speaker 3: when they were in coverage. There was a time where
Speaker 3: you know, these guys had been targeted quite a bit,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, it's you know, eleven for eleven,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, twenty five to thirty two. I mean,
Speaker 3: they'd had struggles in some areas where and now they
Speaker 3: signed Shack you know, Shaq Lindard to play. It's created
Speaker 3: a problem. Nicholas Morro can't play. And then Christian Elias
Speaker 3: was their starter last week against forty nine ers. They
Speaker 3: cut him Wednesday to make room for Shaq Lenard. That
Speaker 3: just shows you a guy who was actually more productive.
Speaker 3: Moro I thought was the worst player on the field
Speaker 3: defensively for the for the for the Eagles, he's likely
Speaker 3: going to start now. They think that they might get
Speaker 3: Cunningham him back in this game. They think he's dealing
Speaker 3: with a hamstring injury. But if that's the if that
Speaker 3: if he doesn't answer the bell, then you're gonna see
Speaker 3: Moro and you're gonna see Lennard playing probably the majority
Speaker 3: of the linebacker in this football game.
Speaker 2: If you were having to make that decision for the offense,
Speaker 2: with the Cowboys offense, how do you best exploit what
Speaker 2: they're doing at linebacker?
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is that, you know the thing is
Speaker 3: with I know watching Shaq Lenard play, I know what
Speaker 3: he could do. He's not going to get fooled. Moro,
Speaker 3: you can absolutely fool you. You can get him to
Speaker 3: go one way and then take the ball back the other.
Speaker 3: You can manipulate him. Shack Linard doesn't let you manipulate
Speaker 3: him like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's too much of a veteran for Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna let you. He's not going to look
Speaker 3: at motion. And and that's what San Francisco does. They've
Speaker 3: they've taken good linebackers and made them look foolish in space,
Speaker 3: by the way, with their orbit motions, that's the motion
Speaker 3: that goes around and then all the way around.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 3: They they do things to kind of try and with you.
Speaker 3: If Moro's playing, I'm doing everything in my power to
Speaker 3: make him see the wrong things because he'll make a
Speaker 3: mistake and he'll go the wrong way and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden he'll leave a vacant area there. I
Speaker 3: don't know with Leonard if he would do that, but
Speaker 3: and and having cutting him back would help them, but
Speaker 3: they are they are clearly in trouble at one of
Speaker 3: the linebacker spots.
Speaker 6: With Moro plan, yeah, I'd say make these linebackers cover
Speaker 6: and shack Leonard. You know, he has to ramp up.
Speaker 6: We'll see if he even takes the field. And if
Speaker 6: he does take the field, maybe a handful of snaps,
Speaker 6: whatever the case may be, shack Leonard. Is he excels
Speaker 6: at run defense, not so much in coverage though. And
Speaker 6: then behind this linebacker Cord, which Brian will get to momentarily,
Speaker 6: they have a secondary that struggles. So if you're talking
Speaker 6: about pressing the linebacker corps, this is a game where
Speaker 6: you revert back to setting up the run by virtue
Speaker 6: of the pass. Go out and pass and first stretch
Speaker 6: them horizontally. That could be on bubbles and those types
Speaker 6: of screens, even if it's a handoff, but if it's
Speaker 6: like a ceed lamb end around or Cavante turpin end
Speaker 6: a round, make those linebackers play sideline the sideline and
Speaker 6: just stretch them out, and that's what you do. And
Speaker 6: over the course of a game they get more and
Speaker 6: more fatigued, and then you know the secondary can't really
Speaker 6: back them up as far as coverage is concerned. So
Speaker 6: I think that's how you attack this linebacker corps. They
Speaker 6: can They're going to be again, this is the same
Speaker 6: Eagles defense, although personnel has changed. Their defensive line is
Speaker 6: really good against stopping the run, and the linebackers aren't
Speaker 6: poor stopping the run, and the shack Leonard are actually
Speaker 6: good at stopping the run. But as far as coverage
Speaker 6: is concerned, that's the liability for the Eagles linebackers.
Speaker 3: They were really good the first two series of the game.
Speaker 3: The Eagles came out on defense and they looked like
Speaker 3: they had a good idea of how they were needed
Speaker 3: to play and get that done. They got forty nine
Speaker 3: ers off the field the first couple, and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you get a Brandon and I you play,
Speaker 3: you get a Christian McCaffrey play, And now all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, it's they got them on their heels. You know,
Speaker 3: they can't figure things out, and now all the motion
Speaker 3: and things are making it even worse. But the first
Speaker 3: two series of the game, you were thinking like, okay,
Speaker 3: the Eagles have got this scene kind of they're on
Speaker 3: a good path right now. And then things just really
Speaker 3: really fell apart for him because again, they they they
Speaker 3: lose when we talked about their secondary, they lose coverage.
Speaker 3: Their guys in the secondary lose coverage. They lose men,
Speaker 3: like I say, more of the linebacker loses this guy.
Speaker 3: Next thing you know, McCaffrey's running wide open and it's
Speaker 3: a huge play down the sidelines. You know, they they
Speaker 3: they've they've had their problems when teams have been able
Speaker 3: and the when they're when their edges haven't gotten home,
Speaker 3: because the middle of their defense is really more about
Speaker 3: power and strength and being bullies than it is pass rushers.
Speaker 3: You know, if you can contain, if you can control
Speaker 3: guys pushing on you and handle the edges, their defense
Speaker 3: is in trouble because if they don't get if they
Speaker 3: don't get the pressure, then their secondary has been just
Speaker 3: you know, teams have feasted on them and and and
Speaker 3: a lot of it has to do with some of
Speaker 3: their best players. Darius Slay hasn't played the level he
Speaker 3: has been in the past, and then James Bradbury has
Speaker 3: been awful in a lot of situations, and so there's
Speaker 3: a lot of separation. Uh, there's a there's there's guys
Speaker 3: that are just open and they've dealt with some injuries.
Speaker 3: They haven't figured out the nickel Eli Rix. Anytime you
Speaker 3: see thirty nine on the field, the ball needs to
Speaker 3: go to his direction.
Speaker 2: Anytime pan a target on him, that's your target.
Speaker 3: That's I'm just I'm just saying that, you know, and
Speaker 3: I have a feeling the wrong. I have a feeling
Speaker 3: they're going to try and get Darius slay on Lamb
Speaker 3: as much as possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'll take that match up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if that's the case, that's their best mention. No,
Speaker 3: that is their best matchup. And if that's the case,
Speaker 3: then now you need to wear them out with your
Speaker 3: other guys.
Speaker 2: Will they followed Would he follow him into the slot?
Speaker 3: I don't think you will follow him into the slot.
Speaker 2: Because because here's the other thing I noticed this. I
Speaker 2: was looking at some numbers this season so far seeding
Speaker 2: Lamb leads the NFL and receiving yards and touchdowns from
Speaker 2: the slot, and Philly on the other hand, has allowed
Speaker 2: the most yards from the slot with thirteen hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty nine yards. It's one hundred and fifty eight more
Speaker 2: yards than any other team from the slot. My thought is,
Speaker 2: if you're trying to match him up, guess what I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put him in the slot. It's loot as much
Speaker 2: as possible, especially if you're telling me this guy at
Speaker 2: thirty nine is going to be the one who's gonna
Speaker 2: be lined up across from him. Yeah, guess what is
Speaker 2: gonna be a slot day for Ceedee Lamb And let's go.
Speaker 3: You know, they they've they've really struggled and they and
Speaker 3: their safety read blanket ship is they think he's a
Speaker 3: good player. Uh, you know, he's got two interceptions at safety,
Speaker 3: but he's given up the second most touchdowns. So you know,
Speaker 3: now is this his game for Ferguson? How do they
Speaker 3: match up with him? His blanket ship going to be
Speaker 3: encouraged with him? You got I think you've got several options.
Speaker 3: You need to figure out the right tackle spot, help
Speaker 3: him as much as you can, and then Dak let
Speaker 3: him go to work on this secondary because the receivers.
Speaker 3: These receivers can definitely get open against these guys.
Speaker 6: And the good news for the Cowboys is you It's
Speaker 6: often said that it's a copycat league, but just because
Speaker 6: someone show the blueprint doesn't mean that you have the
Speaker 6: same twos in your tubox to be able to build
Speaker 6: that what they built. But the Cowboys and seeing what
Speaker 6: the blueprint was from phil from the forty nine ers
Speaker 6: versus Philadelphia, the Cowboys have that's the same. Yeah, the
Speaker 6: Cowboys have those horses on offense as well. And now
Speaker 6: they've really leaned into that pre snap motion as we've
Speaker 6: talked about, because the last two weeks they've had, you know,
Speaker 6: two weeks of consecutive season highs in pre snap motion
Speaker 6: over seventy percent both times. So Brian pointed this out
Speaker 6: very astute. The San Francisco forty nine ers, they were
Speaker 6: able to use Christian McCaffrey, brand and I to get
Speaker 6: them off balance and then it was just an on
Speaker 6: slot of pre snap motion. Cowboys can and will do
Speaker 6: the exact same thing. So credit to them for having
Speaker 6: that leverage against the Philadelphia defense that just automatically doesn't
Speaker 6: cover well. And then now you start moving people around
Speaker 6: and making them think and making them guess. That just
Speaker 6: makes it more difficult for them. Also a secondary in
Speaker 6: Philly three thousand, roughly thirty three hundred passing yards allowed.
Speaker 6: We talked about this yesterday, twenty seven touchdowns allowed. I mean,
Speaker 6: their league worst in one of those categories, behind only
Speaker 6: the Washington Commander's Defense, and they're tied with the Commander's
Speaker 6: Defense four league worst in another one of those categories,
Speaker 6: and roughly thirteen fourteen hundred yards are basically on yach
Speaker 6: So you can, if you can get the ball in
Speaker 6: playmaker's hands, you can get this Philadelphia defense on their
Speaker 6: heels and really just reeling over the course of four quarters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is you know when you it was and
Speaker 3: it's just so clear watching the play that's the struggles
Speaker 3: that they have, and you're like and you're thinking, like, man,
Speaker 3: this is supposed to be a really good defense, and
Speaker 3: they're really not. I mean, they struggle in a lot
Speaker 3: of areas.
Speaker 2: The one thing they can do they can stop the
Speaker 2: run and they can rush your passer. Outside of that,
Speaker 2: behind that is bad.
Speaker 6: They're fourth worst in the NFL in passer rating allowed
Speaker 6: at just under ninety nine. Their secondary is just a
Speaker 6: meal to be had.
Speaker 3: When you go back, I remember, you know, going back
Speaker 3: and watching the game, there's things you forget. Dak did
Speaker 3: a great job even when the pass rush got home
Speaker 3: of escaping and then finding Lamb along the sidelines, finding
Speaker 3: ferguson wide. I mean there were when Dak has been
Speaker 3: able to escape. Man, he has made some really really
Speaker 3: good throws against these guys. So you know, hopefully he
Speaker 3: won't have to do a lot of escaping. Hopefully a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff will be from the pocket that they
Speaker 3: got that thing taken care of, and he can he
Speaker 3: can work from there.
Speaker 6: And Derek, you talk about how can you apply pressure
Speaker 6: and stress out those linebackers.
Speaker 2: Dak in his.
Speaker 3: Legs, Yeah, Deck and his legs he ran in the
Speaker 3: game last.
Speaker 6: Absolutely if dek in jist that as another option for
Speaker 6: the Cowboys, that's something else the linebackers have to worry about.
Speaker 6: And they're just not designed in Philadelphia to handle all
Speaker 6: of those particular weapons and threats. So Cowboys offense is
Speaker 6: cooking and firing on all cylinders for a reason.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take our final Breakley, we'll come back,
Speaker 2: and that question for you guys about Michael Gallup. I
Speaker 2: started looking at some of his snap counts. Le's decline
Speaker 2: quite a bit here as the season is going on.
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Speaker 2: It is the final segment of The Break, live from
Speaker 2: the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. I had a
Speaker 2: question for you guys. I was looking at Michael Gallups
Speaker 2: snap counts over the season. Check this out. In weeks
Speaker 2: one through six, he was averaging forty four point seven
Speaker 2: snaps per game. That's second on the team behind Cede Lamb.
Speaker 2: Cooks was a little bit under him at forty four,
Speaker 2: so they were about equal at that time. Since then,
Speaker 2: starting week eight through thirteen, that would be after the bye,
Speaker 2: through the last game, he's only been averaging thirty snaps
Speaker 2: per game. Down about fourteen snaps per game. That has
Speaker 2: him third on the team, tied with Jalen Tolbert, and
Speaker 2: Cooks is up a little bit to forty nine point three. Essentially,
Speaker 2: everybody below him has increased their number of snaps, including Brooks.
Speaker 2: All of them have increased their number of snaps per game,
Speaker 2: and Gallup has dropped pretty significantly. Do you think that's
Speaker 2: more about the fact that they want to get more
Speaker 2: guys involved, or do you think that's more about the
Speaker 2: fact that they were not happy necessarily with what they're
Speaker 2: getting from Gallup.
Speaker 6: I think you could argue that it was a combination
Speaker 6: of the two. But outside of Gallop lighting the field
Speaker 6: on fire like Ceedie Lamb was doing, the inevitable plan
Speaker 6: was to get Jayleen Tobert involved more if no one else,
Speaker 6: to get Cavante Turpin involved more if no one else. So,
Speaker 6: because the Cowboys knew going into this season they were
Speaker 6: going to want to get Turpin involved more, they were
Speaker 6: going to have to get Cooks his looks, they were
Speaker 6: going to have to get Jaylen Tobart his looks. That
Speaker 6: that means it was inevitable that you would see a
Speaker 6: downturn in Michael Gallup's snap count, and then the question
Speaker 6: was simply what would Gallup do with the opportunities he
Speaker 6: was given. And it's been an up and down affair,
Speaker 6: more up lately than down, So kudos to him for
Speaker 6: kind of being resilient in that aspect. But yeah, but
Speaker 6: when they were the down moments, then of course that
Speaker 6: then shifts more reps over to guys like Turpin who's
Speaker 6: been producing, Tobert who's coming through in critical situations like
Speaker 6: the seventeen yard reception, that's helping out your quarterback. That's
Speaker 6: going to earn you more reps going forward. So I
Speaker 6: wouldn't put too much stock in them having any thoughts
Speaker 6: of at the moment being over quote unquote Michael Gallup
Speaker 6: as much as it is because he's started playing well,
Speaker 6: he's kind of on a consistent trend of you know,
Speaker 6: he's not lighting the field on fire, but he's doing
Speaker 6: what he needs to do when the ball comes his way,
Speaker 6: critical possession receptions and things like that. But when you're
Speaker 6: trying to get Tobert involved, and you got to keep
Speaker 6: Turping involved because he's earned that, something's got to give.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you do have a lot of different weapons that
Speaker 7: you want to keep active. Yeah, for sure that you
Speaker 7: do want to keep active and give them something you
Speaker 7: know you don't, so you can have different looks to
Speaker 7: show at different times depending who you're playing. But with Gallup,
Speaker 7: I'll be honest, like, sometimes he be he has become
Speaker 7: forgettable and that's not something good. And the times that
Speaker 7: I do remember and we've talked about it, like he
Speaker 7: has those moments that Okay, he's playing bad and not
Speaker 7: catching the ball, not doing much, and then all of
Speaker 7: a sudden he makes a really good play. You're like, okay,
Speaker 7: yes that's why, there we go. But yeah, here we go.
Speaker 7: But it doesn't happen very often. And I do agree
Speaker 7: with him improving, but it's just not enough when you
Speaker 7: do have other guys that are making bigger plays. I
Speaker 7: think they've given him plenty of chances, and sometimes he
Speaker 7: works out sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 4: But I do.
Speaker 7: See the reasoning in the decline, because even I keep
Speaker 7: forgetting that game where it seemed they kept forcing the
Speaker 7: ball against the Chargers where he just seemed forced, and
Speaker 7: I was like, okay, why why, Like sometimes a single
Speaker 7: player has a bad game and it's okay, it happens
Speaker 7: to everybody, but just like you can look the other
Speaker 7: way and keep attacking somebody else. So it's it's I
Speaker 7: don't know. I I saw it come in eventually. But
Speaker 7: at the same time, I'm glad that there are a
Speaker 7: lot more guys being involved and finding success in that,
Speaker 7: and with Michael Galla being able to still have some
Speaker 7: involvement in there as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he threw a really good block in the fourth
Speaker 3: and one play the other day. That kind of it's
Speaker 3: sprung Pollard to get the first down, and so he
Speaker 3: hasn't lost interest in trying to do what he's when
Speaker 3: he's on the field.
Speaker 2: Which is consistent with his person Yeah, it was very consistent.
Speaker 3: He's just getting done Tobert, I think that, you know,
Speaker 3: he's starting to show some things with his ability to
Speaker 3: be on the field to block as well his route running. Uh,
Speaker 3: this is a difficult offense, I believe for my Gallup
Speaker 3: because I don't think he's a great route runner, and
Speaker 3: I think he struggles to get off the line. They
Speaker 3: have these now. The way the offense is, it's really
Speaker 3: relying on combinations of receivers running routes and working with
Speaker 3: tight ends. So all of a sudden, though, you get
Speaker 3: cooks Lamb and Ferguson all together to run a route,
Speaker 3: it's two outs and a seam and now it's a touchdown,
Speaker 3: you know, and so you're you're using different combinations of
Speaker 3: receivers and the tight ends to create separation for each other.
Speaker 3: And I think it's been a little bit of a
Speaker 3: problem for Gallup when he's part of the combination group.
Speaker 3: Maybe his route isn't as good, maybe it is not
Speaker 3: as at depth, maybe it's not finishing. You know, those
Speaker 3: are the things that you kind of deal with. And
Speaker 3: they're saying, well, if we're going to if we're going
Speaker 3: to attack people, we want to run this route combination. Okay,
Speaker 3: we got to go with you know, these guys that
Speaker 3: we know can can get it done. And I think
Speaker 3: that's where it's kind of but to his credit and
Speaker 3: I'm meant before, he hasn't lost interest and he's still
Speaker 3: trying to do anything that they ask him to do.
Speaker 3: And that's that's really where you're at. And that's a decision.
Speaker 3: It's probably going to have to be made at the
Speaker 3: end of the end of the season, especially with the
Speaker 3: emergencies emergence of Cooks and then Tolbert uh and even
Speaker 3: Brooks playing some too. Yeah, you know that's going to
Speaker 3: be a question you're gonna have to answer at the
Speaker 3: end of it.
Speaker 7: But I see it's Tolbert kind of the same way
Speaker 7: as Gallops sometimes as far as like the consistency aspect
Speaker 7: of it, where Tolbert he will have some really good plays,
Speaker 7: but then all of a sudden he doesn't. So it's
Speaker 7: just I see them kind of both having the same
Speaker 7: as far as consistency because they play very differently. But
Speaker 7: as far as the results and all that, I think
Speaker 7: the fact that Tolbert is the younger guy, the newer
Speaker 7: guy that they did draft and brought in, I think
Speaker 7: that kind of gives them more Yeah, yeah, that gives
Speaker 7: them more reason as to why keep getting him, giving
Speaker 7: him more playing time.
Speaker 2: I will say this, and this is a knock on anyone,
Speaker 2: but if given the opportunity, I am a firm believer
Speaker 2: that Brooks will be every bit as good as any
Speaker 2: of those receivers that are not the top two receivers
Speaker 2: on this roster. Right now, I think that guy watching
Speaker 2: him in training camp, watching the opportunity he's at with
Speaker 2: the Cowboys in South Carolina, Yeah, he's one of those guys.
Speaker 2: If the balls in his in his area. He's gonna
Speaker 2: catch it, he's coming down with it, and he makes
Speaker 2: the play. I really am excited about what can be
Speaker 2: expected from him in the future. And I do think
Speaker 2: that that's going to shake up that that part of
Speaker 2: the roster. When we start looking at these wide receivers,
Speaker 2: they better be aware of Jalen Brooks. He's a he's
Speaker 2: a significant player. He's going to be a player in
Speaker 2: this league.
Speaker 6: And for him to be a rookie, He's not deer
Speaker 6: in the headlights.
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 6: That game that Turpin was inactive and Brooks was brought up,
Speaker 6: he went out there and had that three critical receptions
Speaker 6: in like thirty three yards and okay, and they kept
Speaker 6: him active the next week. So to your point, I
Speaker 6: mean he when he's thrown on the on center stage,
Speaker 6: all he sees is ball. Oh, he sees his football.
Speaker 6: He's not his knees aren't shaking. I mean he's out
Speaker 6: there to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys, Jones.
Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 2: We're gonna wrap this thing up. Let you know who
Speaker 2: we think is gonna win this game and what we
Speaker 2: think the score is gonna be till then for Patrick Walker,
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