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Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what episode you were last on.

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Speaker 1: You're previously on about what has it been like two months? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think it was October October last year, as as

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Speaker 1: So for those who haven't listened to that episode. Um,

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Speaker 1: Joe is a writer for News Rep. Uh does a

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Speaker 1: lot of pieces on finance and all different things. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I mean the latest piece of yours is the walls

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Speaker 1: review and UM Professor Davis again, this time about international

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Speaker 1: maritime terrorism. And we're going to talk about how global

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Speaker 1: finance and and different financial markets are influenced by shipping

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Speaker 1: and global trade, specifically maritime shipping. That's awesome. And then

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Speaker 1: after that I'm going over to the Coast Guard headquarters

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Speaker 1: down there in New Orleans, which is their district, and

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Speaker 1: they are responsible for not only the Mississippi River, They're

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Speaker 1: not They do stuff in the Mississippi River, the Port

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Speaker 1: of New Orleans and then the Gulf of Mexico, and

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Speaker 1: they have a lot of the Port of New Orleans

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Speaker 1: and the big um you know, shipping center, and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of oil pipelines. So they do a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff. They have. They have a giant mission down there,

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Speaker 1: the Coast Guard does you know, they do search and

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Speaker 1: rescue obviously, but they do a lot of pipeline security,

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Speaker 1: They do a lot of drug interdictions stuff, so they

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Speaker 1: have a really important mission down on the Gulf, and

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Speaker 1: I'm talking with the Coast Guard O six tomorrow to

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Speaker 1: kind of get a feel for what their mission is

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Speaker 1: us and then hopefully in the future, you know, go

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Speaker 1: be be able to go down there and spend some

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Speaker 1: more time with them and really get a sense of, um,

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Speaker 1: you know what, what exactly they do? That's a no, sorry,

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Speaker 1: can you just finish what you're saying? And so I

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Speaker 1: was like, that's how I kind of got started with

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Speaker 1: the National Guard. It was just like I know nothing.

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Speaker 1: I want to know everything, let me come. So I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping to use that approach with the Coast Guard and

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Speaker 1: just be like, hey, I think you know, from the

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Speaker 1: little I know, I think this is a vital mission

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Speaker 1: to national security and I want to do everything about it.

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Speaker 1: I think there's the potential for some really cool stories

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Speaker 1: to come out of here. Well, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: we'll get an update on that National Guards story and

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Speaker 1: a little bit. That's what we spoke about last time

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Speaker 1: you were on UM. But I was just wondering, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a fascinating subject, but to be honest, that

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Speaker 1: I have never really thought about before. Was there anything

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Speaker 1: that just sparked your curiosity. Uh, to dive deeper into this.

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Speaker 1: So I grew up in Florida on a Bear Island,

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Speaker 1: So I've grown up around like maritime stuff. I should

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Speaker 1: I should probably articulate the better, but Maritimes and you

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Speaker 1: know how it is here. We're super casual people, know

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Speaker 1: the man. I gotta say, I was listening to that

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Speaker 1: episode four twenty with Alex yesterday, which was as casual

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Speaker 1: as a god. I feel like every time I talked

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Speaker 1: with Alex, like I do, try to bring it back

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Speaker 1: to an actual subject, but it ends up being like

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Speaker 1: he says something side tangent from me, side tangent from Alex.

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Speaker 1: Then we get onto a completely different topic and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about again? Oh yeah, but um no,

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Speaker 1: thank you man, I appreciate it. But but yeah, so

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Speaker 1: so just growing up in Florida is what sparkes your interests? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I you know, one of the first books I've

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Speaker 1: ever read was The Perfect Storm by said Fashion Younger,

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Speaker 1: And um, you know, he's one of my favorite authors

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Speaker 1: and in the Perfect Storm is one of the an

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Speaker 1: amazing book. So, like two years ago, I was looking

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Speaker 1: for a non fiction book to read and I picked

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Speaker 1: up another one called Into the Raging Sea by Rachel

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Speaker 1: Slade about the sinking of the s s L far

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Speaker 1: oh Um. It was a U S flag vessel cargo

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Speaker 1: ship steaming from Jacksonville to San Juan, Puerto Rico, and

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Speaker 1: they went down in Hurricane Joaquin. And this was two

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Speaker 1: thousands fifteen that they went down, so it's pretty recent.

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Speaker 1: And she really dug deep into why the ship sank

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Speaker 1: and about the maritime industry, and I just got super interested,

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Speaker 1: just became a super maritime nerd. And the more I learned,

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Speaker 1: the more I realized how important it was. And um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was hoping that some of the readers

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Speaker 1: would find it as fascinating as I do. And I think, um,

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Speaker 1: from where you know, from my foxhole, looking at the

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Speaker 1: numbers that the pieces about maritime stuff are getting, I

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Speaker 1: think that it's definitely something that people are interested in,

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Speaker 1: you know, and are as a journalist and news rep

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Speaker 1: you know, because we're fortunate to have that, uh you

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Speaker 1: know that we have the subscribers, you know, I definitely

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Speaker 1: want to deliver stories and content to them that they're

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Speaker 1: going to enjoy, you know. And I don't feel like

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Speaker 1: I feel like I have the freedom to do that.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's nice that the the readers are

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Speaker 1: able to give so much like immediate feedback. And you

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not just internet trolls either, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's people. There's opinion you really value and you

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Speaker 1: want to deliver, you know, what they want. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I like to see you guys pursue what you're passionate about. Two. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's I'm really interested to see what you come up

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Speaker 1: with as far as like maritime terrorism and counter terrorism,

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Speaker 1: because we haven't really seen um terrorism strike this industry

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Speaker 1: cruise liners since what nine seven was it? The Achille

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Speaker 1: Lauro and the Mediterranean Ocean. Yeah, so it's been it's

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Speaker 1: been a I mean, I actually uh wrote a novel,

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Speaker 1: um where the climax of the novel takes place on

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Speaker 1: a super cruise liner and it's just a massive battle

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Speaker 1: that takes place on this thing. Because these ships, as

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Speaker 1: you know, Joe, they're I mean, they're like little cities now,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like an urban built up environment, you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: So you can just imagine what a nightmare scenario that

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Speaker 1: would be if um, you know, say something like the

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Speaker 1: Mumbai attack were to happen, but the attackers were to

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Speaker 1: hit it cruise liner, I mean, it would be a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: It's like everyone would die. I mean, there's nowhere to go.

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Speaker 1: There's nowhere to go. And as far as I know

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Speaker 1: that cruise ships scared, the cruise ships aren't armed. They're

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Speaker 1: not vessels of war. They don't have as far as

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Speaker 1: I you know, I'm not an expert on it, but

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Speaker 1: as far as I know, they might have a few

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Speaker 1: side arms, but that's gonna be it. So I don't

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Speaker 1: think they can be Yeah, I don't think. I think

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Speaker 1: you're right, Jack, I don't think they can be armed. Given, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, their status is as as passenger vessels. So

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Speaker 1: if you've got you know, a fire team on board

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Speaker 1: with with automatic weapons, I mean, it would be it

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Speaker 1: would be horrific. So I'm curious to find out what's

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Speaker 1: being done in that industry to combat that, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I hope that something is being done. I hope

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Speaker 1: it's not just everyone's sitting back and going, No, nothing's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. You know, those ships are too big

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Speaker 1: to attack. This is kind of interesting. I was talking

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Speaker 1: to someone who works are rail infrastructure in Europe. UM.

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Speaker 1: This was about a year ago, so it's heavily involved

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Speaker 1: in UH in rail and UM. He told me that

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Speaker 1: they're not putting a lot of UM counter terrorism security

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Speaker 1: measures around rail infrastructure in Europe. The reason being is

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Speaker 1: that they feel that it would draw more attention to

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Speaker 1: it as a target. So right now they're just kind

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Speaker 1: of like go along to get along in the sense

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Speaker 1: of like, we're not being targeted now. I mean, there

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Speaker 1: haven't been like rail line bombings UM so often. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, since like the nineteen eighties. I guess we

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Speaker 1: haven't really seen too much of that. So they're just

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Speaker 1: kind of like we're just gonna hope we continue to

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Speaker 1: slide under the radar. Yeah, fingers crossed. Oh no, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and four, there's in Spain. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: thinking of the one where they took hostages and like

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Speaker 1: the G S G nine how they get them? Oh

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Speaker 1: was that G S G nine or was it the

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Speaker 1: Dutch that was also in the eighties they had the

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Speaker 1: fighter jets break the sonic barrier right above the train

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Speaker 1: car just as the Dutch raded it. Yeah, that's pretty

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Speaker 1: that's like, that's pretty ingenious, you know. Oh, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that's like mission impossible type of stuff right there. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. But that's interesting, you know. I hope hopefully

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Speaker 1: the cruise line is is taking a more proactive approach. Um.

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Speaker 1: What I wrote about the other day, what they're not

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Speaker 1: being really proactive about is the man overboard system. So

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Speaker 1: a man overboard system is essentially a uh heat camera

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Speaker 1: net system that can automatically detect when something as warm

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Speaker 1: as a body goes overboard and it alerts to cre automatically. Um.

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Speaker 1: And most cruise lines don't have that. What they have

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Speaker 1: is clos circuit television, which under the current legislation is

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Speaker 1: all they're required to have. What do they do if

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Speaker 1: somebody goes overboard? Do they I mean, these are a

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Speaker 1: smaller vessel they can launch. Will they turn the whole

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Speaker 1: ship around? I From what I understand, they their procedure

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Speaker 1: is to they cut their engines, um, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I know from maritime rescued the the standard practices to

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Speaker 1: go up wind or up draft of the of the

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Speaker 1: victim and then float back to them. So I think

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Speaker 1: they might try that, but depending on the schedule, they

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Speaker 1: might not. You know, they might just alert local authorities.

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Speaker 1: Some cruise ships will have a launch, you know, they'll

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Speaker 1: have like a small boat they can launch, and they

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Speaker 1: have people that are um you know, trained and search

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Speaker 1: and rescue. A lot like a lot of the cruise

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Speaker 1: ships that are leaving from US boards have that ability.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of cruise lines out of

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Speaker 1: you know, the Mediterranean or Asia that don't are not

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Speaker 1: under the same strict maritime law or that the search

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Speaker 1: and rescues type stuff like that. UM So normally they'll

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Speaker 1: try to look for the victim, but if they can't,

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Speaker 1: they just alert local authorities and get on with the

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Speaker 1: trip because they're on such a time crunch to hit

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Speaker 1: these ports, and um I can't really afford to hang

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Speaker 1: out and search for a victim. And they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: they're not gonna cancel a trip just to just try

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Speaker 1: to find one person. I couldn't get wrong here, but

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Speaker 1: I mean it's because it's been so long, probably about

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Speaker 1: what eight years since the killing of Osama bin Wadden

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Speaker 1: somewhere around that. Um what wasn't maritime law discussed with

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Speaker 1: how you know, just burying Ben Wadden over on the sea.

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Speaker 1: Not that I don't recall that, I I mean I

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Speaker 1: recall there are conversations about Islamic tradition. Yeah, I remember

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Speaker 1: that too, you know whether or not I mean, which

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Speaker 1: it's not an Islamic tradition, but that's what we said

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Speaker 1: it was. Um, but I know which by the way,

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Speaker 1: you uncovered why that was done. But I mean my

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Speaker 1: information was that the body is here in the United States. No,

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Speaker 1: but I remember you talking about that. I and we

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Speaker 1: should get in things that I didn't know. But but

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Speaker 1: you talking about that his body was just riddled with

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Speaker 1: bullet holes and that I wouldn't release pictures. But but

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Speaker 1: so wait his You do not believe that his body

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Speaker 1: it was dumped in the other I don't buy that ship. Wow, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've never gotten into this with you. Totally different subject here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is why I was told this years

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Speaker 1: ago that um, you know, no, he was not buried

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Speaker 1: at sea. And I have actually talked to people who

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Speaker 1: are on that aircraft carrier because somebody would have known.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think of the amount of people who

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Speaker 1: worked the deck of an aircraft carrier. They know when

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Speaker 1: the helicopters are coming in, when planes are landing. I

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Speaker 1: mean that that kind of stuff can't be kept secret

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Speaker 1: um from the crew on the ship anyway, UM and

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Speaker 1: I talked to people are on that carrier and they're like,

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Speaker 1: we all found out from Fox News. They were like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, they were like, that's how we learned that

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Speaker 1: Ben Laden was buried at sea from our ship. Was

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Speaker 1: from Fox News. And we're all looking at each other

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Speaker 1: like what. And I have never been able to UM

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Speaker 1: find a single person witness anybody. And you think of

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Speaker 1: all the leaks that have happened about the Ben Ladden

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00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: raid and that whole mission, we haven't had a single

642
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: person come forward to say I saw the body go

643
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: in the water, or I saw the body taken off

644
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: the helicopter, or even I saw the helicopters come in

645
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: that night. We haven't heard a single thing about that.

646
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: There are some emails that have come out through I

647
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: don't know if it came out through I guess it

648
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: came out through FOIA Route leases where the the UM

649
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: captain of the ship, the admiral is making some two

650
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: comments to a package and was the package delivered? But again,

651
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: who the hell knows what that is or is not? UM?

652
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: And then there's and again this is just something else

653
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: you and go and look at publicly UM. When the

654
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: stratfour emails leaked, UM, one of the guys at who

655
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: runs Straight four was having an emails change with somebody

656
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: else and he was saying the same thing that, Yeah,

657
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: they brought the body back to the United States and

658
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: it's on ice at this like Army medical facility in Maryland,

659
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: and that facility was also closed down that same here.

660
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: That's crazy, man, I've never heard this. I have never

661
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: heard this. That's that's interesting, man. There's no fucking way

662
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: that they dumped the body at sea. Like that's just

663
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: acinine that they would even claim that it's one of

664
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: those things on the surface. It's just like, come on, like,

665
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: you gotta do better. You gotta do better than that,

666
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna pull the wool over our eyes here.

667
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: The only thing I would think is kind of crazy

668
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: is how many people have the information of where the

669
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: body is if it's in the US, And how do

670
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: you stop one of those people from taking a picture

671
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: and leaking in on the internet. Well, he would be

672
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: on ice, you know, in a and um, you know,

673
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: refrigerator somewhere. UM, and the people who maintain their facility

674
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: probably don't even know what they have in there, um,

675
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: just chilling, like a six pack of beer. It's probably

676
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's probably like twenty people

677
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: in the world to know where that body is because

678
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: it's all it's compartmentalized information. But it's like, how do

679
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: you stop one of those twenty people from taking a

680
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: picture anonymously and putting it out on the internet. You know,

681
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: It's almost like when we had Dell comp stock on right,

682
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: there were only what four or five people in that mission.

683
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: One of them leaks it to a journalist. How do

684
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: you stop one of these people from anonymously leaking the

685
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: photo and no one would ever know, no one would

686
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: know who did it? You know, Well, I mean we

687
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: do we we do keep secrets in this country, and

688
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: I mean I think the secrecy comes from compartmentalization and

689
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: just not very many people are read into it to

690
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: begin with. Um, there are programs, and it's really weird

691
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: to think about that, there are classified programs where you know,

692
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: maybe twenty to forty people in the entire world know

693
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: of that program. That's it. It's funny you mentioned that

694
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: jet because when I worked at Lockeed, I worked on

695
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: this program called CLEO and I don't know, and I

696
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: know it was a deal. I know it was a

697
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: government customer. I don't know who it was, but I

698
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: don't know what satellite does. I don't know where it went. Um,

699
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of palo was on it.

700
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: And we're the ones who built it, and it was

701
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: very secret, and the guys in the program were like

702
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: handing out Cleo swag, like I have a Polo shirt

703
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: that says Cleo And someone asked me, like, what is that.

704
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm I don't even idea. Man, it's it's up there.

705
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what it does. But it was so

706
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: compartmentalized that the engineers who are building the propulsionism for

707
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: it and putting it together, we're just like, well, I

708
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, they don't know what the platform does. Yeah,

709
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: it's like I hope it's something good. Yeah, it's interesting

710
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: talking to people in aerospace, um, you know who work

711
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: on you know, rocket projects and satellites and stuff like that,

712
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: because just like you said, I mean, the platforms themselves

713
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: are highly classified and uh, and just that no one's

714
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: talking about them outside of a skiff. So yeah, that's crazy, man.

715
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know we're gonna get into this. But that's

716
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: why I love doing the podcast. We get into all

717
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: different things we're kind of doing, um like a news

718
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: show here of different top picks that that you've been

719
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: reading into. So the second topic you were shooting at

720
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: me that we'd like to get into is I was

721
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: unaware of of how crazy this situation is right now

722
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: that it is now the second largest outbreak of ebola

723
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: in history, with over six hundred patients and that's going

724
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: on right now as we speak. Yeah, the I'm very

725
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: highly caffeinated today. It's my only vice. Same here. I

726
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: have this venty uh venti Starbucks ice coffee in front

727
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: of me, which, as you saw, Jack, they wrote my

728
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: name is the number eight. Nuh eight. Nuh yeah, I

729
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: saw on Facebook nuts that's my new name. But no,

730
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm also highly caffidated. Right to rock. No, this and

731
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: all serious though this a well out of break is

732
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: uh it's it's the second largest history and it's really

733
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: the first time that we've seen kind of the perfect

734
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 1: storm of a shooty situation. Um. So, on the one hand,

735
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: you have the Democratic Republic of Congo, which is a

736
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: really large country in such a Africa or North Central Africa,

737
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: UM and they've had EBOWLA outbreaks before, but they've never

738
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: had it on the eastern side where it's occurring right now.

739
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, eastern side where's curring right now in those provinces.

740
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: We have people that live there that are already unfamiliar

741
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: with the virus and are suspicious and they don't understand

742
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: how it's transmitted. And there's a lot of teams from

743
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: the US. The CDC sent teams over there, U s

744
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: AID sent teams over there, The World Health Organization has

745
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: teams over there, the International Rescue Committee has teams over

746
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: There's a lot of NGOs and UM, different governments over

747
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: there trying to educate the population, treat the patients, prevent

748
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: the spread track the virus UM. So that's going on

749
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: right there. So the first issue was that we talked

750
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: about last time, was that these local studos, a lot

751
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: of militia groups were coming over from Uganda and attacking

752
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: these aid workers and that is still happening. So that's

753
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: not that's number one that's making a bad situation. That

754
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: just the level of regional violence from from these militia

755
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: groups or is making it very dangerous for these healthcare

756
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: professionals to get in there and do their jobs. But

757
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: then we've seen kind of an explosion of civil unrest

758
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: in the Democratic Republic of Congo around their presidential elections.

759
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: So you had two groups. You had the group that

760
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: was and I'm not an expert on this and I'm

761
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: not gonna get into who's who, but essentially you had

762
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: the group that was in charge. Then you had the

763
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: opposition group. And the group that was in charge said, hey,

764
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: we're going to suspend voting in these areas that are

765
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: affected by a bola because we don't want people to

766
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: catch the virus. Well, those same areas that are affected

767
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: by a bola happened to be very highly populated with

768
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: the opposition to that guy. So they all said, well,

769
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: this is bullshit, dude. You're you're doing this so that

770
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: we don't go and vote, and you're trying to suppress

771
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: our vote. So then the local populace kind of turned

772
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: against the abola workers and there was a case of

773
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: they stormed a bullet treatment center where they were holding

774
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: patients who are suspected of being um contaminants or being

775
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: exposed to the virus. They storm that and like twenty

776
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: patients absconded. I love. Luckily they were able to track

777
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: most of them down. But after that incident, different NGO

778
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: said all right, we're done, So we're not it's too dangerous,

779
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: too dangerous for us to work here. Um. So it's

780
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: really the perfect storm of bad situations, making a complicated

781
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: response effort in an area with limited infrastructure even harder. Um.

782
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: And it's really been and where I find the most

783
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: interesting about it is it's really been a test of

784
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: humanity's ability to respond to disease outbreaks during an armed conflict.

785
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: And we've had different diseases outbreak in different wars, like

786
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: I think in World War One and two more soldiers

787
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: died from medical conditions and than bullets or you know,

788
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: the same number, a good majority of them or a minority.

789
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: You can check my numbers there. But this is the

790
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: first time that we've seen you know, but those outbreaks

791
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: were directly related to the conditions that the troops wearing

792
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: in their close proximity. But this is really the first

793
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: time that we've seen a standalone outbreak. Um. Be the

794
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: response be influenced by outside conflict, and to be frank,

795
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: the the international community is kind of failing. You know,

796
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: this outbreak when you and I last talked, I think

797
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: it was two hundred something patients and now it's up

798
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: to six, give or take. You know, there's been um,

799
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: I think more than there's been three three deaths related

800
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: to a bowla. So the the outbreak is is spreading

801
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: and there's you know, there's new cases every day. Um,

802
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: and it's you know, I mean one of these situations

803
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: where they're a bola can be treated and contained proper healthcare.

804
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: So after the two thousand fourteen outbreaking West Africa, you know,

805
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: the international community kind of galled around said, Okay, how

806
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: can we treat this and how can we prevent the

807
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: spread of this? And they developed really good systems to

808
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: treat patients in a manage symptoms and attract potential patients

809
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: and to quarantine patients. That was all developed four or

810
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: five years ago. But the problem is because of the

811
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: violence in the DRC, they can't implement. And I just

812
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: remember at that outbreak in I mean, the news coverage

813
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: about it was so hyperbolic, but I think it was

814
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: because of the fact that we only saw this in

815
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: Africa and when it came to the US, people are

816
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: freaking out of look at all these deaths in Africa,

817
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: but it's obviously going to be treated very differently in

818
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: the US. I think we only had one death, yeah,

819
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: I think African American guy and that was it. I

820
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: don't do you remember, Joe. I think that was the

821
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: only death in America. And people were acting like this

822
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: was gonna be a pandemic in the US, and it was.

823
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: It turned out to be a lot of um you know,

824
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: a lot of outrage. I think for headlines. Yeah, Bulla's

825
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: go ahead, Jack. I was just gonna say, yeah that

826
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: we know how to handle it here in the United

827
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: States better. So, I mean, we're not living in third

828
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: world conditions, thankfully, but go ahead, Joe. So a bowl,

829
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: I guess the silver line to a bowl is it

830
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: kills so fast. The outbreaks normally burn themselves out after

831
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: you know, a few hundred patients or you know, a

832
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: relatively small amount of patients. Because of the fact that

833
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: um it kills people so fast, the virus has it's

834
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: hard for the virus to transport hosts. You know that

835
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: a virus is main goal is not to kill, it's

836
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: to replicate, So the virus is always searching for a

837
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: host that it can live in without killing the host

838
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: and multiply and multiply and humans. A bowl is very

839
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: deadly and it tends to kill humans pretty fast, So

840
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: the outbreaks tend to burn themselves out pretty quick. That's

841
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: kind of the silver lining of it. But but I

842
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: think it's interesting about this outbreak is, you know, consider

843
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: what if this wasn't in a bowl outbreak? What if

844
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: this was an outbreak of a new strain of smallpox

845
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 1: that's not vaccinatable, or what if it's a strain of

846
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: the flu, and what if it occurs in a similar situation.

847
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: You know, then you're going to see how, you know,

848
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: political conflict within a one country and you know, different

849
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: militias can create the stage for a pandemic to occur.

850
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: So in that case, it's you know, hopefully, you know,

851
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what the policy course correction needs to

852
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: be to to fight this outbreak, but I think this

853
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: is really gonna be an asset test of how NGOs

854
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: and the governments of the countries are gonna come together

855
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: and decide, you know, how how do we fight an

856
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: outbreak when the citizen re is up in arms and

857
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: there's militia groups, Because that's a that's a thing we

858
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: need to figure out now, and we're lucky that it

859
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: is a bolo that's not um you know, super contagious

860
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: and can infect twenty million people in a few months.

861
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: So hopefully the different policymakers are watching this situation and

862
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: learning from it so that when a different outbreak occurs

863
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: under similar circumstances, they can be better prepared than they

864
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: were this time. You really have to applaud these groups

865
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: like Doctors without Borders, because I mean, they're truly putting

866
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: their life on the line to help things like this

867
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: and and to you know, halt these outbreaks. But as

868
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: you said, SI patients in Africa, that's going to spread

869
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: and it's pretty shocking. I mean probably do you know

870
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: how many people were infected in the largest outbreak it

871
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: was like, so, I mean, it wouldn't be shocking if

872
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: we got to that considering as you said, the number

873
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: is tripled. We're we're teetering on the edge of a

874
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: cliff here because where the outbreak is centralized in the

875
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: Democratic Republic of Congo, it's very likely that it could

876
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: spread to South Sudan and Uganda. So although the US

877
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: has stopped operators, though these ng as have stopped operations

878
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: for the time being in the areas of the DRC

879
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: that are hit. They are over in South Sudan, and

880
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: they are over in Uganda where it's relatively safer, and

881
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: they are starting to vaccinate the people that are likely

882
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: to come in contact with refugees from the d r C.

883
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: So that is that's the kind of our our line

884
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: of defense here to prevent that spread, because once it

885
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: enters the population of a different country than you know,

886
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: then that's what really did in the two thousand fourteen outbreak,

887
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: it was spread over several countries. You know, obviously somewhere

888
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: harder hit than others. But you know, luckily the bowl

889
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: outbreak is still contained to the d r C. But

890
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: we did have one American physician flown back to the

891
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: United States after a possible bull exposure like a week

892
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: and a half or two weeks ago, and the physician

893
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: is currently at the University of Nebraska Medical Center and

894
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: he's being monitored, or he or she is being monitored.

895
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: There's been no information of who the physician is, what

896
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: they were doing in the d r C, how they

897
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: were exposed, or what their condition is. The last I heard,

898
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: the hospital staff is not treating the doctor as a patient,

899
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: there is more or he or she's more of like

900
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: on an observation status. Yeah, just making sure he or

901
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: she doesn't develop the virus. But there is someone back

902
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: in the United States that it was confirmed a possible exposure.

903
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: It's confirmed possible who was confirmed to be exposed to it?

904
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: So the next topic we wanted to hit here. As

905
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: I said, we have like an array of topics that

906
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: we wanted to hit with. Hu jo Um. Two Americans

907
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:32,959
Speaker 1: caught fighting for isis. Yeah, these dudes. Sorry, I gotta

908
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: remain objective. It's funny about these guys. Is like when

909
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: you read about them, they're not They're not young guys.

910
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean they're like thirty four, but they're not super healthy.

911
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: You know. One of them had a glass eye and

912
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: uh like before he went over to Syria, like he

913
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: had he lost his eye somehow in America and he

914
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: was like a substitute teacher in Houston and he was like,

915
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: I want to go. So he's self radicalized in about

916
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: two thousand four watching YouTube he is um and he

917
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: was he was like, I'm gonna go over to Syria

918
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: and a rock and I'm going to teach English to

919
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: the terrorists in missoul So that was his plan, and

920
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: then come yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure it

921
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: was for a good cause. I mean, I'm sure, you know,

922
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: the terrorists want to learn English to make it easier.

923
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: But so anyway, the guy finds himself in the middle

924
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: of Syria with a bunch of other ex pats from

925
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: uh Pakistan and one guy from Ireland. And next thing,

926
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, the SDF pops and says you're under arrest.

927
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: Now you're fucked. What's interesting is though these guys, I

928
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: think the guy's name was like Warren Clark and the

929
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 1: other one had an Islamic name, but they go by

930
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: these monikersamic names. Yeah, and they're both al m Riki.

931
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: That's like the tell tale American. Yeah, Alambriky just means

932
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: the American. So yeah, so they're both known as you know,

933
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: the Americans. So they got picked up the SDF with

934
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: with these other guys, and their their status is it's

935
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: it's unknown what's going to happen to him. It's it's

936
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: highly you know, because the the SDF is not a

937
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're the Syrian Democratic Forces, you know, aligned

938
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: with the curds, but they don't have like a government.

939
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: You know, they don't have a consulate in the US. Well,

940
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: they're they're they're kind of establishing a government of sorts.

941
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right there, not internationally recognized, you know that. Yeah, so,

942
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: And I don't know if so, I don't know if

943
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: I'm right or wrong onund the Jack You might be

944
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: able to shed some more light on than I can.

945
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: But I think it's gonna be harder for the US

946
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: to negotiate for these guys releases because there's no real

947
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: point person to negotiate with. No, I don't think that

948
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: would be a problem at all. I think the Kurds

949
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 1: will hand these two idiots right over to US. Yeah, yeah,

950
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that's going to be an issue.

951
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: I mean, there's American troops over there working hand in

952
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: glove with the Kurds and the SDF. So UM. I mean,

953
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: maybe the Kurds probably wanted to interrogate these guys for

954
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, tactical intelligence value, um the day they were captured.

955
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised to that, But afterwards, UM,

956
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: I can't really see why the Kurds would want to

957
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: hold onto these guys UM or what value they might

958
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: have to them, so I think they'll probably hand them

959
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: right over to the FBI. Um. But then of course

960
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: the question becomes, what are we going to do with them? Yeah?

961
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: What what? What district court? What federal court do you

962
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: try them in? And what do you try them for?

963
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: Or are they are they criminal? International terrorism? Um? I

964
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: would put them on on trial for terrorism, aiding and

965
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: a betting, providing material support to a terrorist group, And frankly,

966
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: I would put them um on trial for um what's

967
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: the word, um? Basically for war crimes because of what

968
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: that organization did too did to civilians over there. Um. Yeah.

969
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: So these guys were originally one at least one of

970
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: them was originally wanted to teach English. When he got arrested.

971
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: They were planning on attacking civilians that were fleeing from

972
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: this from this city. So yeah, these aren't good dudes.

973
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: But um, you know, it's interesting that the self radicalization

974
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: thing and that you know, I know Alex Holland there's

975
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: a ton about that, and so do you guys about

976
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: the power of sitting by yourself watching YouTube videos. The

977
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: next thing you know, you're in Syria and it's like,

978
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: what kind of what's the individual personal psychology that plays

979
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: into that, because I do believe that someone who is

980
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: self radicalizes like that, like you're an American, like you

981
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: hit the you hit the lotto, like you were born

982
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: in this country, you have you haven't made basically like

983
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: for we've had um people give all of that up

984
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: to go and fight and die with ge Hottists and

985
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: Somalia and Syria and elsewhere. It's like there is something

986
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: broken inside of you on a personal level. It's not

987
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: about politics or even religion. I think it's something about

988
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: your personal psychology that leads you to leads you down

989
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: that dark road. Um. One of the most interesting stories

990
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: I ever heard about the self radicalization was, um, there

991
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: was a guy who he attacked a couple of NYPD

992
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: officers with an axe. Um, and yeah, I hit him

993
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: in the head right and and the cops turned around

994
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: and shot and killed him. And so when they when

995
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: the police checked out his apartment, they found all the

996
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: normal like isis bullshit you would expect, Um, isis propaganda

997
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: on the computer. The interesting thing that I was told

998
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: was packed up into a box off in the corner

999
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 1: of the room was all the black liberation ideology stuff.

1000
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: The black Panther type stuff. So he was all into that,

1001
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: and then when Isis came around, he packed it up,

1002
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: discarded that, and started going with this other. So there's

1003
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 1: something personal about it. There's something about you know, your

1004
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: your individuals ecological makeup that leads you to that. I

1005
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: think I kind of wish I had like a touch

1006
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: of that so that I can self radicalize watching like

1007
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: healthy cooking videos on YouTube, you know, or like workout stuff.

1008
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: I just have such a piece of trash I just can't.

1009
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: I can watch it on YouTube and then I'm like,

1010
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: I'll go get fast food. So like it's like people

1011
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: are trying to fill a void inside of themselves. And UM,

1012
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, we see it with UM. You see it

1013
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: with how polarized our politics are nowadays and people get

1014
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: into or how people get into conspiracy theories, and in

1015
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: that sense, they self radicalize the same way watching YouTube videos,

1016
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: reading Reddit threads, you know, all that kind of stuff.

1017
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: I also think that that is why, UM, as much

1018
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: as you'll hear people say that we need to shut

1019
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: down Guantanamo, even though there's not many guys even there

1020
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: right now, but the people always say we have to

1021
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: shut down get mo whenever that's been proposed. I don't

1022
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: think there's been any Congressman who was like, yeah, well,

1023
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: welcome in them into our district's prison system, because they

1024
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: know that there's guys who are going to get out

1025
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: any day now. They're they're you know, ex criminals who

1026
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: can't get a job, they have nothing to live for,

1027
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: they feel hopeless. And if they end up being radicalized

1028
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,479
Speaker 1: by one of these X terrorists at GETMO and then

1029
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: tell someone, you can put them in a super max

1030
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: prison where they're not gonna have the opportunity to radicalize anybody. Um.

1031
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: There's one I think in Colorado. There's like six or

1032
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: seven that are considered like high security super max prisons

1033
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: in the United States. UM. And I believe that they

1034
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: were prepared to try those guys at GETMO UM right

1035
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: here in New York City for nine eleven UM a

1036
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: lot of them. And Obama tried to do that, and

1037
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: as I recall, he received pressure from Congress, not from

1038
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: the State of New York, um or the city of

1039
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: New York not to do that. Wasn't there a big

1040
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: riff in the FBI about which field office would handle

1041
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: that the terrorism case? Uh? Not? Not that I recall.

1042
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: But um, you could be right. It is a serious question.

1043
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: And I am one of those, perhaps I have a

1044
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: minority opinion. I mean, I believe that we should have

1045
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: put our faith in the American legal system from the

1046
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: get go, um, brought these terrorists to dirt bags back

1047
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: here to the good old US of A and put

1048
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: them on trial, um, and make them face American justice

1049
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,959
Speaker 1: as opposed to you know, languishing in this weird um

1050
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: state of limbo down in Guantanamo. Um, I don't. I

1051
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: don't think that. I I think that was the wrong

1052
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: plan from the get go, um, And now we found

1053
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: ourselves in this situation where we rounded dudes up without

1054
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: you know, without due process, without adequately collecting evidence, and

1055
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: now it's like one of these situations where we can't

1056
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: prosecute them adequately and it's used as propaganda overseas. This

1057
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: is what the US does. They don't have rights, and

1058
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: it undermines our own faith in our our judicial process. Um.

1059
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: You know that that we can't as if we're our

1060
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: laws in our way of life is inadequate now because

1061
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: we can't handle this, I think I put soldiers in

1062
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: kind of a weird position, especially the Special operations guys,

1063
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: because is there a mission now to act as a

1064
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: as a police force and arrest or? Is there a

1065
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: mission now to go out and eliminate the enemy? When

1066
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: you put these guys in that gray area? I mean

1067
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: when when I was in Iraq, I mean yeah, from

1068
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 1: the beginning, really Iraq and Afghanistan, I mean we were

1069
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, hard charge in special opstitudes. Um. But we

1070
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: now found ourselves in this situation where um, we were

1071
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: like a combination of like special ops and FBI UM,

1072
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: because we we did have FBI agents coming with us

1073
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: out on target. And this is when what was called

1074
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: sensitive site exploitation was brought brought into play. And what

1075
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: that was was essentially um into collection in a tactical environment.

1076
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: So you're establishing the chain of custody, uh, for you know,

1077
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: the guy's belongings, his pocket, litter, any electronics he has.

1078
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: You know, where did you find this guy? What room

1079
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: was he in? Um, it would stop short of like

1080
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: dusting the window sill for fingerprints, because we're we're in

1081
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: a war zone and we don't feel like getting I

1082
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: e d. D. On the way out. So we're not

1083
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: going to spend twenty four hours on the target. Um,

1084
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: but we were now involved in the business of collecting

1085
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: evidence so that these guys could be prosecuted in court,

1086
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: in in our Iraqi court, though not in American courts.

1087
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: You know it kind of it kind of reminds me

1088
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: of this is not an original thought. I I can't

1089
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: remember where I heard this, but but someone said, you

1090
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: know a lot of people want to send the military

1091
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: to solve problems that are outside their purview. You know,

1092
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: that seems to be like, though I don't know what

1093
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: to do with in the military, and um, you know,

1094
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: following the National Guard here, you know, that's been a

1095
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: big thing is oh, you know we can always call

1096
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: them the National Guard. Well what does that mean? You know,

1097
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: does that is that really their job? You know when

1098
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: it comes to do the law enforcement and stuff like that.

1099
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's the military has a specific mission and

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01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we asked to like not maybe no,

1101
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: we're not too much, but things that aren't really in

1102
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: their purview to go handle. Well, I think it's how

1103
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: nuts is it? If you look at the incredibly complicated

1104
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: histories and social dynamics of a country like Iraq or Afghanistan.

1105
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: We train you know, kids from from North Dakota, in Florida,

1106
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: in New York and California. We put them through basic

1107
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: training and then we PLoP them down and in the

1108
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: middle of one of these countries and expect them to

1109
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: carry out nation building and counterinsurgencies. Uh, it's kind of insane. Um.

1110
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: You can't possibly expect that to be a success. That

1111
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: makes me think of Abu grab and the soldiers you

1112
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: get caught abusing the prisoners and when you look at

1113
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: them there for the majority eighteen nineteen year old kids,

1114
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, and they're from like somewhere on the East coast,

1115
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: the reserve reserve unit, I think it was a reserve unit.

1116
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: The eighteen nineteen you know, they just graduated high school

1117
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: a year before. Now they're in a rock where it's

1118
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: totally different climate. It's scary. They're getting ordered there with

1119
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: some of the most dangerous foreign human beings in the world.

1120
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: They're working night shift by themselves. They're scared, and you've

1121
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: got people telling them, hey, you know, you're you're right here.

1122
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: You're the last line of defense, but you know, to

1123
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: stop the next Harris attack. And you're a nineteen year

1124
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: old kid, you know, and you have no bearing on

1125
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: and you give, you give a nineteen year old kid

1126
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: that kind of power over powerless civilians or I mean

1127
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: some of them were probably terrorists, I'm sure, but also

1128
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: just regular people who got swept up into prison. Um.

1129
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: Nothing good is really going to come out of that. Um.

1130
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: And I mean I've been told that we we may

1131
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: very not have heard the end of a boogarah, but

1132
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: there was other stuff happening there that has not been reported. Um.

1133
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: Should I've been told about by people who were there.

1134
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: It's just like Jesus Christ. Yeah. They The only thing

1135
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: that got pressed was that one specific unit, you know,

1136
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: and they and I think the only reason that got

1137
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: press is because the guys took pictures. I talked to

1138
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: somebody who was who was stationed there at the time,

1139
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: and he said he personally heard the screaming because they

1140
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: would have the male inmates take turns gang raping another

1141
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: male inmate. Damn. Yeah, it's pretty dark. Yeah yeah. And

1142
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean some of this stuff has not come out

1143
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: so that that whole scandal could blow up all over again.

1144
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: It'd be I'd be curious to see where the people

1145
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: who were in charge, you know, the mid the mid

1146
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: grade officers that were over that where they are today.

1147
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think there was one general did

1148
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: end up having her career ended. Um. Yeah, though the

1149
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: woman in that picture right well though that specialists went

1150
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: to fucking prison, rightly so. But there was one general

1151
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: who was, you know, a female general. I believe somewhere

1152
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: up she was a she was like a one star, yeah,

1153
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: and I believe she was retired after that, if I

1154
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: recall correctly. Well, you mentioned, um, the National Guard unit

1155
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: that you've been talking to, and we spoke about this

1156
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: at length on the last episode. Um, for people who

1157
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: haven't heard the last episode, if you want to give

1158
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: like a brief background on who they are and what

1159
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: you've been working on, and then I'd love to hear

1160
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: an update on the story. Yeah. So I'm doing a

1161
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: multi piece series about this this two five six in

1162
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: Trooper Gate Combat Team, specifically the second of the one

1163
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: away Calvary s Audron, which is the reconnaissance element of

1164
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: that of that IBT, and I'm following them from the

1165
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: time they came out of annual training last summer and

1166
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: how they're ramping up to go down to Fort Polk

1167
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: to the Joint Readiness Training Center, which is essentially a

1168
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: mock deployment, UM, to certify that unit for a real

1169
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: wartime deployment. So the story is, how does the guard

1170
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: commander take his unit and get it prepared to prepared

1171
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: to go to war? And what's it like for um,

1172
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, the platoon leaders, and what was it like

1173
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: for the individual soldiers. So trying to approach it from

1174
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: three different aspects, UM, you know, what's it like you know,

1175
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: getting ready to go to that that's stimulated deployment. And

1176
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: then you know the year following is what they call

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01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: the ready the ready year, which means that that the

1178
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: two five six will be available to be deployed. What

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01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: they're likely to do is go over and do some

1180
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: training with the foreign force. Uh, they're looking at the Pacific,

1181
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: but with the threat environment today, you never know. Um.

1182
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: So the last article I published about them was about

1183
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: their individual weapons qualifications and that kind of got into

1184
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: how uh this unit, in particular, being a cavalry squadront

1185
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, their mission objective is not to go out

1186
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: and close with destroy the enemy with small arms. It's

1187
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: to observe report. Um, you know, let the rest of

1188
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: the force no the enemy is doing, destroy the enemy

1189
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: reconnaissance effort and um. You know the way they do

1190
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: that is you know, they kind of stay hidden and

1191
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: they kind of um, you know, they don't want to

1192
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: get in gunfights. If they're going to gauge the enemy,

1193
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: they want to do it with close airs. They want

1194
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,919
Speaker 1: to do with with air support or with our tillery. Um.

1195
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: But so you're with soldiers who know now with this

1196
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: individual weapons qualification, they know that hey, if I'm using

1197
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: this weapon, ship has gone bad. Um. And that's been

1198
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: a really interesting perspective. And I got to learn all

1199
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: about how they go and qualify with their weapons and

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01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: and kind of what it means the different soldiers, and

1201
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: just spend more time with them and you know, kind

1202
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: to get a feel for what they're working on as

1203
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: a unit. You know, what they discovered, uh during summer

1204
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: camp or not supper camp, but but annual training last

1205
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: year was that they need to work on their based defense.

1206
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: You know, if they set up a talk in the

1207
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: middle of the forest, they want to make sure that

1208
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: it's they're able to secure perimeter and stuff like that.

1209
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: But recently I just went down to Jackson Barracks, which

1210
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: is the Louisiana National Guard headquarters in New Orleans in

1211
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: the ninth Board, and I spoke at length with the

1212
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: officer who's in charge of the State Side mission. So they're, um,

1213
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're what they call All Hazards Mission, which

1214
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: is responding natural disasters, responding to chemical spills, responding to

1215
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: civil unrest. So I got to learn a lot about

1216
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: that aspect of the mission. Um, I'm still writing that

1217
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,479
Speaker 1: piece up. I'm gonna have it published soon. But what's

1218
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: unique about the Louisiana National Guards. They've had so much

1219
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: real world experience responding to the All Hazard Mission, and

1220
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: then given the kind of threat environment in Louisiana, with

1221
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: not only the weather but all the patro chemical infrastructure

1222
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: we have here, Louisiana Guard takes a really active part

1223
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: in preparing for those things. But what I learned probably

1224
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: was the most interesting, was kind of you know, if

1225
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: there's a if there's an emergency and you hear the

1226
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: governors say we've called out the National Guard, what does

1227
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: that mean exactly? You know, does the Guard roll in

1228
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: and take charge or did they just kind of hang back.

1229
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: So I really got insight into how the Guard plays

1230
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: into the rest of the response effort. So in Louisiana

1231
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: you know, we don't. We don't have counties like the

1232
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: rest of the country has like different counties, Does that

1233
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: make sense. In Louisiana, we have parishes. So you know

1234
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: New Orleans is Orleans Parish. I lived in St. Tammany

1235
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: Parish and there's a person who's over the county called

1236
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 1: the parish President, And on any kind of emergency, the

1237
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: parish president is the person who is going to head

1238
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: the response effort. Um. So there if if the parish

1239
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: president wants to utilize the National Guard, he has a

1240
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: liaison that works with him full time that is gonna

1241
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: facilitate getting the Guard deployed and to go out on

1242
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: either certain rescue missions are a setup uh you know,

1243
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 1: field hospitals or to uh you know, aid the police

1244
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: if there's a you know, a riot or something like that.

1245
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: But you know, the Guard, you know, in the in

1246
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: the sixth and seventies had really bad optics with being

1247
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: called out for crowd control and we've really seen a

1248
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: guard you know, in modern times they really put that

1249
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,560
Speaker 1: that mission on the back burner and um, whether it

1250
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: be a uh just not something that they want to

1251
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: do anymore, or it's because the police have become more militarized.

1252
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 1: There's really a very small part of their mission now

1253
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: and that's something they kind of want to stay away from,

1254
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: is doing you know, law enforcement because from there, you know,

1255
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: from their perspective is that's not their job and they

1256
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: don't you know, that's up to the parish, the share

1257
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: for the parish and um so, I thought it was

1258
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: interesting on how they've kind of taken a back seat

1259
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: to that that law enforcement model because you know, you've

1260
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: always heard that the government's gonna send in the National Guard.

1261
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: Well that's the case. The National Guard is gonna take

1262
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: orders from the sheriff. They're not going to show up

1263
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: and tell the sheriff how to control the situation. They're

1264
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: gonna do, you know, what the sheriff asked them to do,

1265
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: which is most likely going to be um you know,

1266
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: support or crowd control. But it's not going to be

1267
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, going and arresting people and and you know,

1268
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: trying to hurt people. Because you know, the guardsmen, you know,

1269
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: they are from these communities and that's what makes it

1270
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: such a unique organization. You know, the soldiers don't that's

1271
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: not that's not a mission that they are eager to do.

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Speaker 1: At all, you know, they I've talked to hundreds of

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Speaker 1: Guards soldiers, not one of them has ever been like

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Speaker 1: I really want to do that. That mission is something

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Speaker 1: that they dread and I don't want to go testing hippies. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's like some of the optics that they did, and

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Speaker 1: like I just haven't found it to be true, which

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Speaker 1: is good, you know. And like the guys that I

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Speaker 1: talked to down at Fort Jackson Barracks, like you know,

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Speaker 1: all of them had a copy of the Constitution sitting

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Speaker 1: on their desks and they're like, you know, this is

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Speaker 1: the document that we work on, and we're here to support.

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Speaker 1: We're not here to um to go on and be

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Speaker 1: an instrument of district. They did a pretty good job

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Speaker 1: during Hurricane Katrina, didn't that. Yeah. What was interesting about

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Speaker 1: Katrina is um A lot of that was the Army

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Speaker 1: reserve because the Louisiana Guards main force was deployed to

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Speaker 1: a rock So you had some elements at home station

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Speaker 1: that we're able to immediately deploy. But it was a

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Speaker 1: lot of different reserve components because the two five six

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Speaker 1: was out you know as a as A as an

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Speaker 1: arbor unit fighting and I think it was Ramadi And

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Speaker 1: I was actually thinking about this just last night for

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Speaker 1: some reason about the SF the sal Forces National Guard

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Speaker 1: teams get called in for disaster relief and also I

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Speaker 1: know guys who have been called in for UM, what's

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Speaker 1: you know, critical infrastructure security. So like when the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: protests were happening, those guys got called in and they

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Speaker 1: were like, UM, patrolling around the ports and things like that. UM.

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you mentioned that because you know, with

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Speaker 1: the way FEMA delineates UM, you know those different critical

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Speaker 1: critical infrastructure points, you know, they consider emergency support functions,

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Speaker 1: and one of that utility is one of the hospitals,

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Speaker 1: and that could definitely be a Guard mission is to

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Speaker 1: secure those It's like you said, this critical uh you know,

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Speaker 1: whether it be a supply area or patient care center,

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Speaker 1: that is definitely something that is in the purview of

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Speaker 1: their of their mission, and that would be a more

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Speaker 1: realistic deployment of the Guard during like eating kind of

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Speaker 1: civil unrest then seeing them you know, go total to

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Speaker 1: the protesters. Yeah. Yeah, but you know in Louisiana it's

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01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, because we have pipelines and petrochemical plants and UM.

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01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: I've heard some horror stories come out of the factory

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Speaker 1: south of New Orleans that makes the dust that covers cheetahs.

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Speaker 1: So we had a lot of dangerous chemicals down here.

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Speaker 1: So the Louisa National Guard has a as a full

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Speaker 1: time team that works you know, they kind of operate

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Speaker 1: like a fire department and their only job is to

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Speaker 1: you know, respond to these kind of uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: has matt situations. So I'm gonna I'm working right now

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Speaker 1: with the Guard to to go visit with those guys

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Speaker 1: to see what their mission is and you know, get

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Speaker 1: kind of a feel for their training, which actually got

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Speaker 1: me thinking about, um, you know, some other different stories,

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Speaker 1: and I think it'd be interesting to go and learn

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Speaker 1: about different organizations that have uh, you know, rescue missions

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Speaker 1: in the US and unique environments. So for example, where

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Speaker 1: I went to MT School in Florida, my teacher was

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Speaker 1: a firefighter paramedic at Kennedy Space Center and he was

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Speaker 1: on the Astronaut rescue team and those those guys you know,

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01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: zip line out of the helicopters onto the path and

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Speaker 1: they have a really unique mission. So I was like,

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Speaker 1: that would be a cool story. And I was just

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Speaker 1: up in Aspen for a wedding which I was talking to.

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01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,839
Speaker 1: I was talking to Edrac because he lives out in Colorado.

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01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't know how you do it.

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01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: There's like no auction up there. I'm sucking like people

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Speaker 1: who live up in the mountains. I'm impressed with them.

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01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: But you know they have a big I guess snow

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Speaker 1: snow patrol throns like you know that's that'd be a

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01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: really interesting story, is how those guys operate at that

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01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: outit sude or you know, there's there's big wave lifeguards

1343
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. They you know, take helicopters out to swimmers

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01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: and they have kind of like a rescue swimmer proyagram.

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01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: So there's like a lot of different rescue organizations in

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Speaker 1: the US that they're kind of unknown. They have very

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Speaker 1: niche jobs. I think there'd be something that I would

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01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: be interested in learning about. Yes, you here in New

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01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: York City has UM in addition to having you know,

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01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: their whole counter terrorism um you know swat mission, they

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01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: also do high risk rescues. So I guess, yeah, UM

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01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: be interesting. I always wanted to sit down and talk

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01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: to those guys because I'm sure if you reached out

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01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: to them, UM or reached out to n y p D.

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Speaker 1: If I mean, if you were able to sit down

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01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: with those guys, I bet they have some pretty really unique, um,

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01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: real life rescues and probably training that they do as well. Yeah,

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01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: it's a there's a lot of like you said, there's

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01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: a lot of different groups out there that you just

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01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: don't like. I never knew that. I always thought u

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Speaker 1: SU was the NYPD S SWAT Team. I didn't know

1362
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: they did that kind of Yeah. They yeah, they are.

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01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: They just have the additional mission of high risk rescue.

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01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 1: Which how they define high risk? I mean, I don't

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01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: know if is it like somebody dangling off the side

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01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: of a skyscraper, Like how do they define high risk?

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01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure. I I don't know how people

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01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: do the heights. Man, I'm gonna be I wanna be

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01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: straight up and honest about that. I I get week

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Speaker 1: in the knees, like after the third floor, like I

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Speaker 1: I gotta go meet the Coast Guard guy tomorrow on

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01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: the thirteenth floor of the Federal Building, and I'm just like, oh,

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01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: that's really high up there. Well. Yeah, so be on

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01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: the lookout for more of those from Joseph Lafay of

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01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 1: the National Guard story. The last thing that we wanted

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01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: to get into here before we wrap things up. Where

1377
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: was that? The past couple of weeks on the show,

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01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: I've been teasing out this news Rep financial report for

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Speaker 1: people who want to secure a brighter future by investing

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Speaker 1: in the defense sector and learning a little bit more

1381
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: about what's going on in the stock market. Um, but

1382
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 1: you're someone who knows a lot more than me about

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01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: what we've been doing, so I kind of want to

1384
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: hear that from you and maybe give some of our

1385
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: audience an incentive to go to the finn Rep tab

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Speaker 1: on the news rep dot com and sign up for

1387
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Speaker 1: that today. Yeah, it's a it's a monthly newsletter, and um,

1388
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: you know myself for one of the other other writers,

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01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: Like I think stab Ross has done a lot of

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01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: work with it is going to be in studio um

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Speaker 1: later this month, and from what I've seen, he's like

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01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 1: he took our top writer. At the moment, I think, yeah,

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01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: he's killing it. Man. What's nice about before I talk

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01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: about Finder Rep, was nice about, you know, the news

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01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: rapping and the different writers is how it's like such

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Speaker 1: a team environment. I don't know if that comes from

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01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: the fact that that everyone butt me is ex military.

1398
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 1: But it's like we have like friendly competition between us,

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01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: like to to get the top spot, but there's like

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Speaker 1: a lot of collaboration and um, you know, like I

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01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: I read what the other guys right, and I think

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01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: it's really good, and you know, and I'll tell him that,

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01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: and you know, guys will reach out to me and say, hey,

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01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, I really enjoyed your piece, Like like George

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01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 1: Hann reached out to me the other day and told

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01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: me that he liked one of my pieces. And for

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01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: George to say that he likes something, I mean that

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01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: guy is like a fusion of Sun Zoo and uh

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01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: Captain America, g I Joe, and James Bond, you know.

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01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 1: For so for him to be like, hey, I like

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Speaker 1: that is you know, to me, means a lot, you know.

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Speaker 1: So that's what's really nice about about this organization, I

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01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: think from an insider perspective, is how everyone collaborates and um,

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01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of feed off each other. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: so so Finn rep Uh, Yeah, we're kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: we're not we're not giving like stock tips, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not really our purview, but we're kind of given

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Speaker 1: inside into two different technologies or different trends that are

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01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: going on inside different sectors and different industries that you

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01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 1: might not think to look at. So I know, the

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01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: one I'm writing about is is kind of focused on

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Speaker 1: some different technology surrounding AI and some different things that

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Speaker 1: are being done done with that. But it's it's a

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01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: really nice it's kind of a deep dive and a

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01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: really niche technologies and trends and stuff like that that

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Speaker 1: you're not really going to find anywhere else because it's

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Speaker 1: not you know, it's not headline grabbing it. It's really

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01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: more intelligence than it is, um, you know, a news story,

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01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: So that's kind on the benefit of it, you get

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01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: like a it's it's like financial intelligence would be the

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01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: best way I can describe it. Yeah, and and it

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01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: could make people money in the future reading this. So

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Speaker 1: we hope you all sign up. Um, I guess with that,

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Speaker 1: unless there's anything else, go follow Joe on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: lafay Joseph, which is l A F A V Joseph

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Keep checking out his articles on the news

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Speaker 1: rep dot Com, which Alex said last episode will soon

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01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: be shortened to news rep dot com, but in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: go to the news rep dot com anything else you

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01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 1: didn't cover. I mean, I think I think we covered

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01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: a lot of ground here. Yeah, I feel good about it. Um.

1442
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: I tried out some jokes and I'm gonna I'm gonna

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01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: stick to writing for now. So but I dig it, man,

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Speaker 1: And I remember were you know, to take you guys

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01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 1: behind the scenes who were saying that last episode people

1446
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: were breaking balls because they were like, why does he

1447
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,520
Speaker 1: keep clicking his pend There's no pen clicking this episode.

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Speaker 1: For the people who U made a big deal over that,

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01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that big a deal. I

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01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 1: mean I didn't notice it as I was editing the show,

1451
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: but I did get a couple of emails like this

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01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 1: is unlistenable. I didn't think it was that bad, A

1453
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit hyperbole. There there was the

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Speaker 1: pen and then there was the guy with the lawnmower

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01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: who rent or at St. Patrick Grass like twenty times.

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Speaker 1: So I've sanitized myself. I can't I can't go to

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01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: my house because I have nine dogs there right now. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I'm had a friend's apartment on the third floor

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Speaker 1: and an undisclosed location with no electronics running, so we

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01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: should be good for that. I can think of is UM.

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01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: You know, I just like if if you're a listener

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01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: and you haven't subscribed to news Rap, and I encourage

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01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: you to do so, not not just because I worked there,

1464
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: but just from a from a from an outsider looking in.

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01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: It's really a cool community, and I think it's really

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01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 1: unique UM in the news industry because you know, the

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01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: different subscribe iver's talk to each other. There's chat rooms

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01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: and everyone talks on the message board. You kind of

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01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 1: get to know each other, and you know, us as

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01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,919
Speaker 1: the writers, we get to engage directly with our audience,

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Speaker 1: which I think for me has been has been super

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Speaker 1: beneficial because you know, I get to talk to my

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Speaker 1: audience and they can say, hey, you know this is

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01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: not something that we really enjoy, just fire or hey,

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01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: this is something we really do enjoy. So it helps

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01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: me deliver content that that's kind of geared towards their interests.

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Speaker 1: And it's just been a really fun and it's a

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Speaker 1: really low key and collaborative environment, both with writers and

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Speaker 1: with subscribers. And I think it's a really unique company,

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01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: has a really unique some really unique things to offer.

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01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: It's subscribers. So I encourage everyone listening, if if you

1482
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 1: haven't subscribed it to do it, because it's a you

1483
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: get to become part of a really welcoming community, you know.

1484
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean I was you know, I'm not prior military,

1485
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: so I didn't really know anybody, um company, but I've

1486
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 1: been I've been welcome, open arms, you know, and I

1487
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: feel like, like Alex Hollings, that's you know, that's my

1488
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: best friend ever met, you know. So I encourage everyone

1489
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: to subscribe. That's my bitch. Yeah, thank you, Joe cool Man,

1490
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: Well thanks for coming on. Always appreciate you coming on

1491
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: with us, and we'll do it again soon. I think

1492
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: I think this is um different for people to hear,

1493
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 1: like a roundup of different world news stories, um, you know,

1494
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 1: and I think that's the beauty of the show. Sometimes

1495
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: we have like spotlight interviews from guys who have books out,

1496
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: and then sometimes we cover news that you know, you're

1497
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: not necessarily hearing about on CNN or Fox News. Yeah. Absolutely,

1498
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: You're having ed Derek back on our soon, aren't you?

1499
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: Next episode? Ask him I read this sound, asked him

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01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: the story to tell you the story about how he

1501
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 1: first met Marines while mountain climbing. Because I interviewed Ed

1502
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,719
Speaker 1: like last week about his new book coming out, War Movements,

1503
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: which is a fusion of images and stories that kind

1504
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: of tell the narrative of the warrantere. I don't want

1505
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 1: to pitch it, that's his job. But I'm gonna release

1506
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: a book review on news Rep in the next couple

1507
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: of days about it. But but Ed has this amazing

1508
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: story of how he first met Marines while mountain climbing

1509
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 1: in Alaska, and it's my job was on the floor,

1510
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: So please ask him to tell you that story. It's amazing,

1511
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: all right, take note of it. Yeah, I'm looking forward

1512
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 1: to having him back. I mean, it's uh, it's always

1513
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 1: interesting which episodes UM people respond to, and last year

1514
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: that was our second most listen to episode UM. And

1515
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily because Ed Derek is, you know,

1516
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: like a very known guy. I mean, we have more

1517
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: well known guys on the show, like Brad Thor. But

1518
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: when I think when they saw that he was talking

1519
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 1: about Extortion seventeen and Operation Red Wings in a really

1520
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: frank and um in a manner that that went to

1521
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: like the heart of the story and these are the

1522
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,040
Speaker 1: fact this is the footage that we've seen. And I

1523
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: read his book, UM, and he just put an incredible

1524
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: amount of research into the crash. Um and also just

1525
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: uh military rotary wing aviation in general. Um. I mean

1526
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 1: he really did a public service I think with that

1527
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 1: book and explaining what happened and and explaining to the

1528
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: public what rotary wing military aviation is, about military helicopters

1529
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 1: and pilots and the technical aspects of it and how

1530
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 1: it all works. I mean, it's just a tremendous job.

1531
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: And um, and you're not talking about his latest book there,

1532
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about his past one. Yeah, his latest one.

1533
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: I just I mean we got a copy cent of

1534
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 1: it and I just looked at it, and I mean

1535
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:42,759
Speaker 1: he took some beautiful shots. Uh. You know, it's a

1536
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 1: photography book. UM. So I'm looking forward to flipping through that,

1537
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:50,879
Speaker 1: um this afternoon and looking at it. Um. The biggest,

1538
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: I think, the biggest compliment that I think I've seen

1539
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: Edgart is you know, not from guys like us, but

1540
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 1: you know, first of the add on Facebook and UM,

1541
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's friends a lot of the soldiers that

1542
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: he are, soldiers and marines that he followed, and a

1543
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 1: lot of their families and they're always giving him positive

1544
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 1: feedback and you can read that on his on his Facebook,

1545
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: on his personal facebookball And it's like, you know, if

1546
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: the guys that he's writing about and their families are

1547
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: are looking forward to reading about what he's writing about

1548
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 1: and they're thanking and for writing it, I think that

1549
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 1: speaks volumes to um, you know, do his work. So yeah,

1550
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to that interview. I mean, we

1551
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 1: have a lot of other stuff on the horizon. Peter

1552
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: Gidrey is going to come on as as I've been

1553
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: UM looking forward to going to talk about creat Him

1554
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: being used to treat PTSD. UM, as I kind of

1555
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 1: set to Alex, I'd like to be ahead of the

1556
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: curve on that one because, Um, I've heard a lot

1557
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: about creat Him and in Florida it's extremely popular, but

1558
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people across the US haven't

1559
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: even heard of it, and people are touting it as

1560
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: like this cement, this uh miracle drug for PTSD and

1561
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 1: people like Peter, So I'd like to hear that perspective. Um,

1562
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,799
Speaker 1: We're gonna have stob Roast and Studio has mentioned Michael Broderick,

1563
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: who's going to be on the next season of three Detective. Um. Yeah,

1564
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 1: it was also a four Marine Uh, and Fred Galvin

1565
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 1: will be back on because of the Navy's involvement in

1566
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:14,719
Speaker 1: the mar Socks seven story to give us an update

1567
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: on that. So UM, yeah, man, thanks for coming on. Joe. Yeah, guys,

1568
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. I really enjoyed it. Appreciate it. Yep.

1569
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 1: And Uh. I also I mentioned to you before we

1570
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:30,839
Speaker 1: started recording. Um, I finished reading that book Ranger Games

1571
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: by Ben Blum, which is about um, the second Range

1572
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: of Battalion soldiers who are robbed a bank in Tacoma

1573
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:44,799
Speaker 1: in Washington State. It was two thousand seven, I believe,

1574
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: So this is one of the bank robbers. Cousins wrote

1575
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: this book as a four hundred page like deep dive

1576
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 1: on UM. Not it's not so much uh who done it.

1577
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: It's more about because the facts of the bank robbery

1578
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: it's self are pretty clear cut. But it's about the

1579
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 1: y and the mentality and the mentality, and it's about

1580
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 1: Ranger culture. Um. It's about his own family and their

1581
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 1: families culture. It's about the other participants in the in

1582
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 1: the bank robbery. Um. There's another Ranger and then two civilians. Um,

1583
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 1: so he really really went in depth on it, and

1584
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean it was a fascinating book to read. Um.

1585
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna see if I twist the author's arm

1586
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 1: a little bit because he's out here in New York City,

1587
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 1: so I'm hoping we can get him in for an interview.

1588
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: I'd love to talk to him about the book. Yeah,

1589
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 1: that'd be great. I mean we're basically booked up until

1590
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: February right now, and it's a good problem to have

1591
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: that so many people are reaching out who are great guests,

1592
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: and I get so many suggestions and it's like I

1593
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: can't even keep up with all of it. And we

1594
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: have some good people lined up. Um, we have some

1595
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: of um, you know, Army wives coming on that will

1596
01:27:53,400 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 1: discuss some some important subjects actually, and then Air Force PJ. Douglas. Yeah, Doug,

1597
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 1: my buddy Doug from Columbia who is an Air Force

1598
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: para rescue guy. And I believe, oh geez, I'll have

1599
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 1: to ask him what his degree and I believe it's

1600
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 1: something like sports physiology or something like that, which we've

1601
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,799
Speaker 1: only had about I think maybe two Air Force tjs

1602
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 1: and we've had to b K. Of course, this dude

1603
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: is him and b K know each other. Uh small community. Um.

1604
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: Doug is a you know, pt stud, very smart guy. UM,

1605
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: and he runs a company maybe it's a consultancy, but

1606
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: they are doing fitness instruction and stuff called Resilient. Um.

1607
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 1: It's all around good guy. And I appeared on his

1608
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: podcast one day and I had always wanted to have

1609
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 1: him come on ours because he's just an interesting cat. UM.

1610
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: So we got him lined up. Yeah, I'm excited because

1611
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,799
Speaker 1: our audience often says, you guys have plenty of Marines

1612
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: on seals on a Rangers green berets, whereas the love

1613
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: for the Air Force community. So that's true. It's true

1614
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: we don't have enough of them on we had on

1615
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 1: the most previous not uh Air Force PJ. But like

1616
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: Lampy oh yeah, yeah, that's right. He and he's the

1617
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: one who was um who was introduced to us by

1618
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: Mike Vining, right or no? Uh So Lampy reached out

1619
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: to us because he heard the Mike Vining interview and

1620
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: it was like it was like he enjoyed it. He

1621
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: was like, you guys did a good job, and he

1622
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: was he was the Cobar Towers. No, no, no, no,

1623
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: he was an air Force guy. Remember, we got through

1624
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: half of it and we need to reschedule him to

1625
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: come on and talk about the other half. He was

1626
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 1: so many interviews. Yeah, he was like the father of

1627
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: the of the CCT fired guys in a lot of ways.

1628
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 1: But his career is so extensive. But David Arden was

1629
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: air Force too. Write That's who I'm thinking of. That's

1630
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 1: why I towers, I believe. So he was an E

1631
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: O D guy. He was um. But we need to

1632
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: get uh Lampy back on because we got we we

1633
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: just kind of scratched the surface that the first half

1634
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 1: of his career and we need to talk about the

1635
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: rest of it because he went all the way up on.

1636
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 1: I mean he he was in so calm and I

1637
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: mean guy did so much. Yeah, I'm gonna make note

1638
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 1: of that. I should make note of that right now

1639
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: that we need to get Mike lamp back on. Yeah. Yeah,

1640
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 1: let's keep that in mind. Maybe for February, because we

1641
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: were after the show. We had him scheduled, but then

1642
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: he had to cancel the second interview because he had

1643
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 1: he had some personal things he had to attend to.

1644
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 1: But we'll get him back on. I'll do it. Yeah,

1645
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: I'll do it right after the show. We'll get him

1646
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 1: back on. That was a good one, and Mike Vining

1647
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: was actually trying to help me, um get interview some

1648
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: other old school guys. Um and um and there's another

1649
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: one who's receptive. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna spoil

1650
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 1: it now and uh and get ahead of myself, but

1651
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,680
Speaker 1: a guy that would be for me personally, be one

1652
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 1: of the biggest interviews we've ever done. Um And I

1653
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 1: think he's game to come on, but we have to

1654
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 1: um or it just he had some personal stuff he

1655
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: had to sort out also. Um And if we can

1656
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: get that individual on, it would be amazing because this

1657
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 1: guy is the real deal. Um And by the way,

1658
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,719
Speaker 1: just to fact check myself here, I am right David

1659
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 1: Reardan from episode three three Air Force e O D.

1660
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: So you know, we've had probably six or so Air

1661
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,480
Speaker 1: Force guys, but I mean it just palace in comparison

1662
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: to the amount of Marines Army maybe who have been

1663
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: on the show. Marines are everywhere. You can't you can't

1664
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: get rid of them. They're just all over the freaking place.

1665
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: We used to joke about it when I went to

1666
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: Columbia because there's just like marines and like there's there's

1667
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: a good number of veterans, like three hundred or three

1668
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 1: hundred fifty of us up there, tons and tons of marines.

1669
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 1: And I mean so all those jokes about marines eating

1670
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: crans and stuff and and eating Elmer's glue. Um, I mean,

1671
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 1: presumably they're pretty smart because they can go to college

1672
01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: and get degrees and there's a lot of them. This

1673
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 1: ight like James Powell going on to work in the CIA,

1674
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 1: super super good guy. Uh, you know, I'm making fun

1675
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: of them, but a lot of good marines out there.

1676
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, they like infesting. They're just everywhere everywhere. Um,

1677
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,640
Speaker 1: all right, well, wrapping things up here, yeah, you know,

1678
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, this is funny. I was editing

1679
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 1: the last show and I noticed that, like forty minutes

1680
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 1: before the end of the show, I'm like wrapping things

1681
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: up here. And then somehow we bullshitted for another hour.

1682
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 1: It was with me and Alex, and then I we

1683
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 1: somehow get into a whole another topic. I'm like, really

1684
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 1: not wrapping things up here forty minutes left in the show. Um,

1685
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:39,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, truly wrapping things up here. Be sure to

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01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:42,639
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