1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Look in the mirror. Are you happy with what you see? 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: If not, find a dream, figure out how to give 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: it some wings and make it real. Your audience is 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: younger rather than older. This is the time to make 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: shit happen. This is the time right now. Go make 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: it happen. 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: Find that hurdle and conquer it concrete. 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, Emily and Badi here you are listening to 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: episode one sixty four of Hurdle a While, this focused 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 3: podcast where I sit down with inspiring individuals to talk 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 3: about big wines, top moments, and everything in between. On 12 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: the show, you can expect vulnerability, motivation, and candid discussions 13 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: with everyone from top athletes and CEOs to aspiring entrepreneurs 14 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: on what it really takes to follow your passions. 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 4: My mission is simple to. 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: Inspire you to be your best self, move with intention, 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 3: and have some fun along the way. Today I am 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 3: talking to the One, the Only Bob a body AGAA, 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: my dad, and bringing my dad on the show in 20 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: honor of Father's Day yesterday. 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 4: You know, it was really special for me to interview 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 4: my mom a few. 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: Weeks back, and so I felt like it was only 24 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 3: appropriate to get Dad behind the mic. We talk about 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 3: everything from his proudest and scariest moments as a father 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: to his best advice for me as I continue to 27 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: grow my business. And it's cool because you really get 28 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 3: some insight into where I got this entrepreneurial bug from 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 3: my dad, Aside from being my best friend, has been 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: one himself since college, an entrepreneur when he opened up 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: his first audio equipment store and then after that multiple 32 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: marketing agencies. I am so grateful for him in my life, 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: and I know that for some Father's Day and Mother's 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: Day can be definitely difficult time. So I am happy 35 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 3: to share him and his wisdom and his insights and 36 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: his humor although it might be oh such Dad humor 37 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: at times. I'm so happy to share him with you, 38 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: and thank you for allowing me. 39 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 4: To before we get into it today. 40 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: Last week I announced the newest pick for the Hurdle 41 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: Book Club, and that is Green Lights by Matthew McConaughey. 42 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: I'm putting a link to buy the book in the 43 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 3: show notes, but we are going to be meeting and 44 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: save this date on Monday, July nineteenth. I'll be sending 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: our registration link out shortly after July fourth, so stay 46 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: tuned for that, but make sure you grab the book, 47 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: read it on the beach, read it on the deck, 48 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: read it wherever you want, but get into it because 49 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: we're going to chat about it on again July nineteenth. 50 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 3: Make sure you're following along with Hurdle. Over at Hurdle Podcast, 51 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 3: I am over at Emily a Body and with that, 52 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: let's it's a hurdling. 53 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 4: Today. 54 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: I'm sitting down with Bob a Body better known to 55 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: my followers as Bam Bam Bob, better known to me 56 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 3: as Dad. 57 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: Hey Dad, I like Dad the best. 58 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: I am thanks for having me today. Happy Father's Day. 59 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 4: Happy Father's Day. 60 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: So this episode is coming out on the day after 61 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: Father's Day, on Monday, Father's Day, Monday. I felt that 62 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: it was only appropriate that you finally make your debut 63 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: on the show. The show has been thriving for over 64 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: three years now, and it's hard to believe that the 65 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: Hurdlers have not had a proper Bob a Body appearance. 66 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: How did we let this happen? I mean we've had 67 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: some shared experiences on Pizza Friday videos and things like that, 68 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: but never on the actual Hurdle podcast. 69 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 4: Well, here we are on Hurdle. How are you doing today? 70 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: Bob doing good? Emily? How are you? 71 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty well, getting back into the swing of 72 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: things after this little trip to Miami. I prepped my 73 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: voice for this conversation because it was a little harsh. 74 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 4: I bought a vocal humidifier. 75 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: How's that working have for you? You know? 76 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: So it says that you're supposed to use it for 77 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: fifteen minutes at a time. Breathing in like to a 78 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: humidifier on your face for fifteen minutes is an aggressive proposition. 79 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: I think I did it for like about eight but 80 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: it felt good. My voice feels better. 81 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: Good, your voice sounds good today. 82 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: Thanks Dad, You're welcome. 83 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 3: So, I mean, there are so many different jumping off 84 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: points that we could leap from here. But I think 85 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: what I learned from interviewing Mom was that I wanted 86 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: to have more of a structure and some specific questions 87 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: to ask you, rather than to just a la hurdle. 88 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: Have you walk me through and us through your entire 89 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: life story. But I'd be remiss we didn't kind of 90 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 3: start there a little bit. So do you have an 91 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: earliest memory of growing up? 92 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I remember family vacations that Grandma and 93 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: Grandpa and me and my sister, your aunt Judy would 94 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: take and every summer we would do a two week 95 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: vacation somewhere. In some cases it was on the east 96 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: end of Long Island in the Amptons, and in other 97 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: cases it was up in the mountains, which would be 98 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: the Poconos or the Catskills, and we would go away 99 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: with friends, you know, the adults and the kids and 100 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: have just a really really great time. 101 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 3: You and your sister and Judy, you guys were close 102 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: growing up. 103 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, we were best buds. 104 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 4: What did you when you had a spoiler alert? 105 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I've talked about my family, which consists of 106 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 3: my father, my mother, and my brother before on the show. 107 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: But when you had two children and they were a 108 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: son and a daughter, did you have hopes that Matt 109 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: and I would be just as close as you and 110 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: your sister. 111 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean I think having you know, having a 112 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: boy and a girl, or a girl and a boy, 113 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, you know, the icing on the cake. 114 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: You want to have one to beach or most people, 115 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: I think want to have one to beach. And you 116 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: know we scored. Yeah, we got two great ones. 117 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 4: Two great ones. 118 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: Okay, so you remember traveling with your family growing up, 119 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 3: and then fast forward a bit. I'm not going to 120 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: bring us through the you know, the complete history of 121 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: Bob Boddy's childhood, but you ultimately, many years later, eighteen 122 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 3: years later, decide to go to Sunny Oswego. 123 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 4: And what do you study at Sunny Oswego? 124 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: Cold weather survival, studied business and marketing at Sunny Suego. 125 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: And when you were at Sunny what did you go 126 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: to college thinking that you wanted to do? 127 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: I always had this entrepreneurial bug in me. You know, 128 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: I watched Grandpa start businesses, and I watched Grandma as 129 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: a professional woman and was exposed to a lot of 130 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: the garment industry. So I kind of thought about going 131 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: into that, but ultimately I gravitated to what my kind 132 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: of my hobby and my interests were, which was kind 133 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: of audio and video. And while I was in college, 134 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: I was working in an audio video store on Long 135 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: Island and then in New York City. And when I 136 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: got out of school, and even when I was in school, 137 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: I wrote a term paper on how I would do 138 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: a retail audio video kind of a consumer electronics business, 139 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: and ultimately, after graduating, I was able to make that 140 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: really happen. 141 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: A couple of things to make note of here. First 142 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: of all, Suniasigo reference of cold weather survival. This university 143 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: was in northern. 144 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: Upstate New York on Lake Ontario. 145 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: And secondly, my question to follow up with that about 146 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: starting a consumer electronics business is when you began that business, 147 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: how did you even know how to source this to 148 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: sell to consumers. 149 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: I learned how to do that by working for someone else. 150 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: I had two friends who were also in the business. 151 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: We were working for a company that had three stores. 152 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: We were the three managers, and we got together one day, 153 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: as we often did after work, to grab a bite 154 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: to eat at the diner, and said, hey, we should 155 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: do this for ourselves. Why don't we meet back here 156 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: or any about a year, save X dollars and we'll 157 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: talk about starting the business. So we did that. We 158 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: each saved and scrimped and borrowed and stole and whatever 159 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: we had to do to raise the money, and then 160 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: we started our own business. So we to circle back 161 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: to your question, we learned how to do that by 162 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: doing it for someone else and watching others do it, 163 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: and we learned from some pretty smart guys. 164 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 3: All right, So then, I mean you saved up money, 165 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: you learned a lot from your past experiences, you started 166 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: your own store, which was called Sounds Alive. In this process, 167 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 3: did you find that you liked being an entrepreneur as 168 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 3: much as you thought that you would. 169 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really dug it, you know. I got to 170 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: do a lot of things in that business that I 171 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: always wanted to do, and some of that, you know, 172 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: besides being surrounded by really really cool audio and video equipment. 173 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: Each of the partners had a role. My role was advertising, 174 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: so it was my job to get people in and 175 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: so I learned how to place media buys, how to 176 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: negotiate with radio stations. Back then, newspapers there was no Google. 177 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: So it really gave me a good firm foundation in 178 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: what I needed to know. And then eventually, I'll do 179 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: the transition for you. Eventually I got out of that 180 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: business and started an agency, not this one, but another one, 181 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: and applied the skills that I learned in retail in 182 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: New York City to that advertising agency. 183 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: Did you like being a little more removed from what 184 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: I would say to be like customer facing sales and 185 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 3: being a little bit more like in the desk office environment. 186 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: That's a good question. To this day, I miss the 187 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: retail part of it. You know, there's a big difference 188 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 1: in what I do now. And for those who don't know, 189 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: I run an advertising agency called BAM. Those who don't know, 190 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: because a lot of you do know. So where was 191 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: I going? 192 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 4: For those that don't know, you run a marketing agency 193 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 4: today called BAM. 194 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: So today I run an advertising agency. And in this business, 195 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: my team has to go out and solicit business. For 196 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: the most part, there is some inbound, but most of 197 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: it is outbound. We get the conversation started and kind 198 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: of sell it through with great content. In retail, customers 199 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: come to you, they walk into your store, they come 200 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: in to see you. And to this day I missed that. 201 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: It's no surprise that some of our clients, some of 202 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: our good clients, are retailers, and the skills that I 203 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: picked up as a retailer come in handy now, especially 204 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: when relating to those clients and having intelligent conversations about 205 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: what it takes to run a good retail operation. 206 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 4: Because you're such a social person. 207 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: Very different pivot here for a moment, but I would 208 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: imagine that the past year. If you I mean if 209 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 3: you're saying that you missed working in retail and having 210 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: an opportunity to engage directly with the consumer. I would 211 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: imagine that the past year pivoting from being in office 212 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 3: and then working from home and like really missing out 213 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: on that person a person interaction was true con for 214 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 3: the business and for you. 215 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: You know, for It's interesting how the dynamics worked during 216 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: COVID that we have some clients who like shut down 217 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: and our communication with them was one hundred percent virtual. 218 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: And we have other clients that said, you know, they 219 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: kind of shared our view that you know, let's continue 220 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: to get together and be careful and do those agency 221 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: client meetings and and move and keep moving forward. God 222 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: bless them. These are clients that said, you know what, 223 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: we have sales quotas that we have to meet, and 224 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: just because there's a virus out there, it doesn't mean 225 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: that we don't have to hit them. So I really 226 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: admire those clients and respect and appreciate the fact that 227 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: they found ways to do business through the pandemic, not 228 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: only with us, but with their customers and in the 229 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: retail environment. It was tough to do. But the clients 230 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: that I'm thinking of were deemed as essential businesses, and 231 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: therefore we worked with them to find ways to keep 232 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: doing business. 233 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 4: Did you have a mentor growing up? 234 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: I have lots of mentors growing up. My father, certainly, 235 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: my mother and my father were my biggest influences and 236 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: my biggest mentors. They taught me not only personally how 237 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: to be a good man and a great father, but 238 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,479 Speaker 1: he taught me a lot about business and about the economy, 239 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: and about I don't know politics, what's right and wrong, 240 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: and how to do good? 241 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 4: How to do good? Would you say that when you 242 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 4: think about the lessons that your parents instilled in you, 243 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 4: that do good would probably be one of the biggest. 244 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Grandpa's thing, do good. And my dad 245 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: he was a woodworker as a hobby and then professionally, 246 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: and the way he worked with wood was a life 247 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: lesson that you started with great raw materials, and you 248 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,599 Speaker 1: measured twice and cut once, and you never skipped the 249 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: prep step and you took the time to apply the 250 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: finish the right way. So you know, that's inspiring and 251 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: has always served as a model for me in life. 252 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 4: It's crazy. 253 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: I was just thinking about how awesome it would have 254 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: been for him to like, come and see where I 255 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: live now. I've never really thought about that before, but 256 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: just this idea. I mean, how different was life when 257 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: Grandpa was alive? 258 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: Right? 259 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 4: Like, life for all of us was just in such 260 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 4: a different place. 261 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: Oh it was. It was a very different place. It's 262 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: interesting that you live in Brooklyn now, and Grandma and 263 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: Grandpa grew up in Brooklyn. And I was fortunate to 264 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: be able to get the two of them in the 265 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: car and do this kind of back to Brooklyn tour 266 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: I guess about I don't know, thirteen years ago and 267 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: go around Brooklyn and see the place where they met 268 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: and the house that they grew up in that each 269 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: of them grew up in, and where the family kind 270 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: of the family was based out of. If Dad was 271 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: around today, he'd get a real kick out of scene 272 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: where you live. I know your grandmother is dying to 273 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: get there. 274 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: She was the one who was like, are you near Bam? 275 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, Grandma knows my neighborhood better 276 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: than I do. 277 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she knows Brooklyn very well. 278 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: Well, we have to go on this back to Brooklyn 279 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: tour so that I can figure out where all of 280 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: the roots are. I remember once Grandma and I did 281 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: come into Brooklyn and did some of that, but I 282 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: think I was a little too young to truly appreciate 283 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: where we were and now that I know much more 284 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: about out the area, although we'll be investigating it for 285 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 3: many many years to come, it would be like the 286 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: best thing to do again. 287 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be a real kick. 288 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: We'll do it, We'll do it. Okay, So back to 289 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: you and your story a little bit. So you mentioned 290 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: starting your own agency previous to BAM. Now what happened 291 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: in between starting that agency and where you ended up 292 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 3: in your career at this point? 293 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: Okay, the roadmap was we had that agency. It was 294 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: named Media Concepts, and we were an agency for small businesses. 295 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: Mostly did a lot of media work. We bought a 296 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: lot of TV and radio and cable and newspapers and 297 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: magazines and things like that. One of the guys who 298 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: I respected a lot that was running radio stations kept 299 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: making a run at me to come work for that company, 300 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: and eventually the numbers made sense, so I sold that 301 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: company and went to work for a company that owned 302 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: radio stations. Wound up running radio stations for seven years. 303 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: During that seven year years, I got bought bought and 304 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: sold about five times, and at a certain point, you know, 305 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: you feel like a commodity. And I also missed being 306 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, so I started Baba Body Marketing. Wow, it 307 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: was a long time ago, twenty three years ago. I think. 308 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: Wow, Well, as you said, you got your entrepreneurial interests 309 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: from your parent, what would what would you say early 310 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: on was something you didn't expect about being an entrepreneur. 311 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: You know, I think if you own the company, at 312 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: least my philosophy is, you know, in an agency, you 313 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: have clients and you do work for them. But in 314 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: addition to all those wonderful clients that the agency has, 315 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: I have five clients. I have myself and the people 316 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: who work for me. And as an agency owner, I 317 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: feel that I'm responsible for their mortgages and they're putting 318 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: their kids through school and providing health insurance for them 319 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: and security. And you know, that was a real challenge 320 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: last year that there were many many sleepless nights when 321 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: we figured tried. I tried to figure out, you know, 322 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: how we're going to make it through the next day. 323 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: But what I didn't expect is how tired I am 324 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: to my staff and to our family. We called them 325 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: the Bamily, the Bammers, and the family is truly a family. 326 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: During COVID it was rough. I had many sleepless nights 327 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: worrying about how we're going to keep the company together 328 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: and kind of keep the band together. And we did it. 329 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: You know, we're here. We are a year and change later, 330 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: and we're still standing. 331 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 4: Yeah. 332 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 3: And I think that's a testament again to your upbringing 333 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 3: rate and to who you are. I am sure, having 334 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 3: unfortunately dealt with some and I'm sure that you have 335 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: as well, that not every single entrepreneur is going to 336 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 3: come at their business with the same amount of compassion 337 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 3: and thought and care. Some people, you know, attack business 338 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 3: with a more removed point of view. 339 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 4: And I although know that sometimes you have to do that. 340 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 3: I when it comes to people and relationships, that's not 341 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 3: in my wheelhouse. 342 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think you probably understand as I 343 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: do that when you are an entrepreneur and you own 344 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: a company, your name, whether your name is in the 345 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: name of the company or not, your name is quote 346 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: unquote on the door, and the product that you turn 347 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: out reflects on you. Hurdle is an incredible product and 348 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: you you are you should be proud of what you're 349 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: putting out there. And I feel the same way about 350 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: the work that my agency does for our clients that 351 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: if it's not great work, we're not We're not letting 352 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: it out, we're not sending it to the media, We're 353 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: not going to share it with the client. We make 354 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: sure we do great work. Just like Grandpa was. He 355 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: would never put a product out that didn't have a 356 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: flawless fin on it. We're not turning out content here 357 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: that isn't isn't buffed and shined up and ready for 358 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: prime time prime time. 359 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 3: Okay, So you transitioned into starting your own media company, 360 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 3: and at this time you said, twenty three years ago, 361 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 3: I'm thirty three. 362 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 4: I was ten years old. 363 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 3: Talk to me about what it was like to have 364 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: a ten year old daughter and a fourteen year old 365 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 3: son while starting your arguably hope to be forever big business. 366 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: Listen, there were many many times that Mom and I 367 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: looked at each other and I would and we would say, 368 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: are you epping crazy? You have what? You have? No clients? 369 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: You know, I have a couple of clients I brought 370 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: with me from radio. But it was a real crapshoot. 371 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: You know, you just kind of roll in the dice 372 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: and see what happens. I mean, I had a background 373 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: in marketing. I ran another agency, but I wanted to 374 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: do something bigger and better. I wanted to do something 375 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: that was more than just me at a desk. So 376 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: it was it was wild, man, it was. But if 377 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: you don't roll the dice, you never know. You know, 378 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: being an entrepreneur means failing sometime. And that was okay 379 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: with me. I don't know if it was okay with Mom, 380 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: but it was okay with me, and if I failed, 381 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: I would do something else. I knew I had skills 382 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: that were kind of portable. I was getting calls from 383 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: other people who wanted me to come work for them 384 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: at that time, and I just wanted to build something. 385 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 4: I'll never forget that. 386 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: When I started freelancing, I thought to myself, well, if 387 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: I can't make enough money doing this, then I'm just 388 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 3: going to start like working the front desk at. 389 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 4: Some sort of a fitness studio and it'll be fine. 390 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 3: And at this time, this is like at the very beginning, 391 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 3: and both I believe, actually both you and Mom said 392 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 3: to me, well, if you want to come live back 393 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: at home, for a little while, and. 394 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 4: I was like, this is not this is a non option, 395 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 4: non starter. 396 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 3: I will work sixteen jobs before I packed my stuff 397 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 3: up and move back to get like I wasn't moving 398 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: back in. But to your story here, what's interesting to 399 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: me is that I was a freelance writer when I 400 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: started Hurdle and didn't rely at that point or even 401 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 3: think at that point that Hurdle would become some sort 402 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: of a viable way to sustain my life and like 403 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: a career to the extent that it is now. When 404 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 3: you went on your own, like you weren't side hustling, 405 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 3: bob body marketing, like you just kind of jumped in. 406 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 4: So from my POV, that is just it's hell of scary. 407 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: Well, you know we jumped into the deep end too, 408 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: so you know there was no life jacket and little 409 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: floaties on our arms. So yeah, I mean, if you 410 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: haven't do it, do it, you know, just just jump 411 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: in and there was no safety net. But I think 412 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: you know you hearing mom and I say, well, you 413 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: could always move back home. Is a motivational tool, isn't it. 414 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: And not having a paycheck every week being cut by 415 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: someone else is a motivational tool. Isn't it. It's the 416 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: same thing. 417 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Okay. 418 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 3: At this point, I wanted to be a journalist, and 419 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 3: I also was going into college thinking that I would 420 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 3: major in political science. What did you envision would be 421 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 3: like where I was going at that point? 422 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: I just wanted I always wanted you and your brother 423 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: to do what you wanted to do, not what would 424 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: provide the highest income or anything else. And when you 425 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: were in middle school, you wanted to live in Manhattan 426 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: and work for a magazine. So what do you do? 427 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: You went to college. First of all, in high school 428 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: you were writing for a yearbook in newspaper. In college, 429 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: you were writing for the newspaper. And then you started 430 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: interning and you got out of college and you found 431 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: a way to live in Manhattan, right for a magazine. Yeah, 432 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: that's that's all I ever wanted for you. Yeah, you know, 433 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: same thing for your brother. He kind of knew the 434 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: path and he followed it. And that's really the best 435 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: you can hope for your kids, And as a father 436 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: and as a mother to to, you know, your hope 437 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: your kids are happy in whatever career path that they choose, 438 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: and at least speaking professionally. 439 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 5: Taking a moment from today's episode to give some love to. 440 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 3: My sponsor over at Daily Harvest when the weather gets warmer. 441 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 3: The last thing that I want to be doing on 442 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 3: the regular is constantly slaving away. 443 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 4: Over a hot stove. 444 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 3: But I also don't want to be ordering takeoff for 445 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 3: every meal, which is why I am obsessed with Daily Harvest. 446 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: Daily Harvest is delicious food, all built on whole organic 447 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 3: fruits and vegetables that conveniently staste fresh in your freezer 448 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: so it's ready when you are six minutes to prepare. 449 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 3: And I love knowing that the food I'm eating is 450 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 3: actually good for me. I personally will be beating the 451 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,239 Speaker 3: summer heat with our mango and papaya smoothie that is 452 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 3: so refreshing. And if that's not your jam, not to worry. 453 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 3: They have tons of other delicious options like strawberry, peach, 454 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 3: min cacao, passion, fruit, and greens. The list goes on, 455 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 3: stay cool, calm, and collected in the summer heat. Head 456 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 3: on over to Dailyharvest dot com and enter code hurdle 457 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: to five to get twenty five dollars off your first box. 458 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: I literally just re upped my stock and my freezer 459 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 3: is boppin' again. That is code hurdle to five for 460 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 3: twenty five dollars off your first box at dailyharvest dot com. 461 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: That's Daily Harvest dot com. Also got to give some 462 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 3: love to my friends at Gooder. Gooder is all about 463 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 3: creating fun, fashionable and functional sunglasses that everyone can afford. 464 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: And if there is a time to re up on 465 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 3: your go to pair of shades, it is right now. 466 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 3: Whether you're running a biking or as they like to say, beasting, 467 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 3: Gooders sunglasses are sure to provide you with a no slip, 468 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 3: no bounce, all polarized fun experience. Plus their styles start 469 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 3: at just twenty five dollars. No need to go to 470 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: a store to find your perfect pair. You can try 471 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: on any pair of Gooders from the comfort of your 472 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 3: own home through their virtual. 473 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 4: Try on feature on the website. 474 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 3: Of course, they've got a special offer for the Hurdle community. 475 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: Head on over to Gooder dot com slash hurdle that's 476 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 3: goodr dot com slash hurdle and use code hurdle one 477 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: five for fifteen percent off of your order today. 478 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 4: Get yourself a pair of Gooders. 479 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: Trust me, you won't regret it, I would say now 480 00:25:53,760 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 3: that you and I are, like, you're my best friend, right, 481 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: I hit you up when I'm doing everything from like 482 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: negotiating contract to ineborated with one of my best friends 483 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 3: in a hotel in Spain. And when do you think 484 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: that was a fun call? When let's just say this 485 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: about that call. I could have called anyone ineborated in 486 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: Spain at eleven pm, but instead I chose to be 487 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 3: at the hotel bar, not gallivanting around Spain, but just 488 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 3: at the hotel bar calling my dad. 489 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: I remember, I was in bed. I remember everything about 490 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 1: that moment. Who was that Emily. She's totally inebriated and 491 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: he's on the other side of the ocean. Oh okay, good. 492 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 4: Night, Okay, cool. 493 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: Well when do you think that When do you think 494 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 3: our relationship evolved from like the just father daughter stuff 495 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 3: to like being more friends. 496 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: I think part of that is the adult child thing 497 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: that transitions to the adult ault adult thing, adult adult thing. 498 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, we look back at let's look, 499 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, I keep going back to last year because 500 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: it was such a pivotal hurdle that we all had 501 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,239 Speaker 1: to get over. And I don't think there were too 502 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: many days that we didn't talk multiple times, and it 503 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: wasn't me. A part of it is always the parental thing, 504 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: where you know, I just sent you one hundred and 505 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: fifty masks and six gallons of hand sanitizer and I 506 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: scored some Lysol wipes at Costco, so ups those to you. 507 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: But part of it is just you know, us relating 508 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: as friends. And I think it was kind of reinforced 509 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: last year, but it's something that's kind of grown senior 510 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: year high school or when you were away a college. 511 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 3: I think also, especially as I started to make bigger 512 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 3: decisions in my career, it had to get to a 513 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 3: point where it couldn't just be surface level shit, right, 514 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 3: Like I needed your real opinion on things like numbers 515 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 3: and changing opportunities and sometimes in life. And this is 516 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: where I think you find the best relationships, whether it's 517 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 3: with your family or with your friends. 518 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 4: Really you need someone just to give it to you straight. 519 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 3: And I'm very lucky that I found that opportunity within 520 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 3: both of my parents. 521 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm kind of non judgmental to a 522 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: certain extent. I think it's would be handy for every 523 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 1: kid to have a dad who's a business and business 524 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: guy in the marketing. 525 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 4: Guy, you know, or anything. 526 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I can talk content creation and you know, 527 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: and tax strategies and shit like that. 528 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Dad is also sitting at his computer with a 529 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 3: ring light that if I release any of this video footage, 530 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 3: you'll see just a hint of the glare of it. 531 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 3: So I moved to New York. Do you have any 532 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: What are your worries about that? 533 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: For me, nothing, just wondering we're going to move back 534 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: to Connecticut. 535 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 3: Dad is anxious, waiting for the moment where I tell 536 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: him that I'm going to stop spending the exorbitant amount 537 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 3: of money I spend to rent a home in Brooklyn 538 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 3: and move back to Connecticut and invest that in a home. 539 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: Financially, this is just like the worst thing, you know, 540 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: you need to invest in a home. Just think of that, 541 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: that that mortgage interest deduction you're missing. So I understand 542 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: why you're in why you're in the city. I'm totally 543 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: psyched about this new apartment. It's beautiful. I love the 544 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: location and wish you nothing but happiness. 545 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 4: There, Thank you so much. But when I first. 546 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: Move come the back home, held back home to Connecticut. 547 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 3: Come on, when I first moved in though you didn't 548 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 3: have any qualms or hesitations about my choice. 549 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: No, No, if I did, I wouldn't have helped you 550 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: move all those times. Facts understand something. You were moving 551 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: into Manhattan and your brother was in law enforcement. 552 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, what did I lose? 553 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: Sleepover? 554 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 3: I want to say it was like me be twenty 555 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 3: sixteen when I got mugged on the other east side. 556 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 3: What does a parent even think about when their kid 557 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: calls them and tells them. 558 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 1: That getting in the car and driving to help you. Yeah, 559 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, you got mugged and you were worried about you, 560 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: but also you were worried about calming me down. I 561 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: guess mom down too, So you were you made the 562 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: best of a bad situation, and you know I kind 563 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: of felt that, Okay, now we got that out of 564 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: our system. That will be safe. 565 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 4: Now we'll be safe. 566 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: Hopefully nothing like that is going to happen to us 567 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 3: all Again. I'm wanting to bring this back to some 568 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 3: of the questions that I had prepared for you, sir, 569 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 3: What would you say has been one of the best 570 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 3: lessons that you have learned as a father. 571 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: When you become a father, you leave the hospital, they 572 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: hand you a baby, They don't hand you an owner's 573 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: manual or an instruction book. You just have to go 574 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: home and figure shit out. And you learn lots of lessons. 575 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: You learn how nothing that happened before matters. It's all 576 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: a clean start, and all of a sudden, you have 577 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: this little being that is totally reliant on you for everything. 578 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: So the lesson is stuff doesn't matter. Things that were 579 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: important to you before don't matter. They may matter, but 580 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: they're way way way down the list compared to taking 581 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: care of this new life. 582 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 3: What would you say is one of the biggest lessons 583 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: that I have taught you, not general children, not your children. 584 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 4: Me, Emily, one of. 585 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: The things, one of the things that you taught me 586 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: and you continue to teach me, and you will continue 587 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: to teach me, is how to be a good podcaster. 588 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: Because it's true. We have a podcast coming up here 589 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: at BAM starting starting this fall. 590 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 3: I think, look at Dad using Hurdle as a promo 591 00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: tool for his own. 592 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe I'll announce the name of the podcast 593 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: on Hurdle. Wow, not today, We're not ready. So this 594 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: is a tease. So podcasting one O one from Emily Abody. 595 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: I've been through the tutorial. I've been presented with the PowerPoint. 596 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 4: That's true. 597 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: You're providing us with some really, really good tools to 598 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: be successful. 599 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 4: Thanks dad. 600 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 3: Okay, what has been one of your proudest moments as 601 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 3: my dad. 602 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: As your dad as a dad? Watching you and your 603 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: brother graduate from Yukon was really really a proud moment. 604 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: You know, in our family, I was the first college graduate, 605 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: so we always want something bigger and better for our kids. 606 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: You know, every generation better than the one before, and 607 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: that was that was huge. You know. I have the 608 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: ability here to reflect back and think about some of 609 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: the things that Mom said when you interviewed her, and 610 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: I think she mentioned something called the Barnum Festival, which 611 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: is a regional festival here in the Greater Bridgeport area 612 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: in Connecticut that celebrates the heritage and the traditions of Pt. Barnum. 613 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: And Emily was in the what they call the royal family, 614 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: and in that role, I wild view about eleven eleven 615 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: years old, had to get up in front of hundreds 616 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: of people and you know, kind of talk to them 617 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: and address them and talk to them about the festival, 618 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: and not only did that eloquently, but did it in 619 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: two languages at eleven years old, So that was a 620 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: that was a big That was a big deal. 621 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 3: Wow tbt. Yeah, public speaking from a young age, How 622 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 3: do you think people describe you. 623 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: Professionally hardworking, creative, focused? Oh, someone would disagree with that, 624 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: but driven to succeed and personally loving, empathetic, caring, a 625 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: good cook wow, and a hell of a good pizza maker. 626 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: The competition in the body family is real. Do you 627 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 3: think you expressed how people describe you? Would you say 628 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 3: that you live that out all the time in that 629 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 3: like and I always ask people this, but if you 630 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 3: walked into a room today, I actually feel like you 631 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 3: are very much the way that you just described, which 632 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 3: is great. But if you were to walk into a 633 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 3: room right now, and you would be with like a 634 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 3: group of five to ten people for ten to fifteen 635 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 3: minutes when you left that room, do you think that 636 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 3: they would describe yourself how you just described yourself. 637 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. If it's people that I had never met before, 638 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: I think they'd have more questions. But people that I 639 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: network with on a regular basis, I think see me 640 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: in that way. 641 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 3: Is there anything you wish that you had told your 642 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 3: parents that you haven't? 643 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: No? No, I mean you know, Dad's been gone for 644 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: a while, and you know, I wish I told him 645 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: I loved him more. But I told him I loved 646 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: him a lot. But you can never express how much 647 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: love you have for a parent. So I wish I 648 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: told him that more. And I'm blessed that my mom 649 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: is still with me. And we never ever in the 650 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: conversation without saying I love you. 651 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite Emily memory? 652 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: One of my favorite Emily memories was running a five. 653 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 2: K race with you, good memory. 654 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: Our job was to bring up the rear of the 655 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: race and hang out with the cop at the end 656 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: of the race. 657 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 4: But we've run more five k since then, we. 658 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: Did, but that one was just memorable because not because 659 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: of the successes we had. The success wasn't at the 660 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: front of the pack. The success was that we crossed 661 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: the finish line. So that's the one that I remember. 662 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: We've run others. We've run the Fairfield of race a 663 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: couple of times, I believe, and that you know that's 664 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: that was a Those were great, great memories. Great race 665 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: that begins and ends on a beach. How do you 666 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: not love that? 667 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 4: How do you not love that? 668 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 3: I think one of my I have a few favorite 669 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 3: Dad memories. One of them was after my last breakup, 670 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 3: when you came into the city and we went to Tommy 671 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 3: Bahama and had like three martinis. We had the martinis 672 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 3: there and then we had a dinner reservation near Union Square. 673 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 3: And the goal for all of this was to do 674 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 3: it on the earlier side so that you could get 675 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 3: back to Connecticut. I think you must have gotten in early, 676 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 3: like at like four or four thirty, so happy hours 677 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 3: from like four to six. 678 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 4: Dinner was out like six fifteen. 679 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 3: Before dinner, we decided to rampage this store in New 680 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 3: York because Dad wanted these specific pants. 681 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: The poor people who worked there. We go into this 682 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: men's clothing store and totally we're rambling on and I'm 683 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: trying stuff on in the dressing room, and all of 684 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: a sudden, like three days later, this big box wines 685 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: comes up in my house. You know you ps goes 686 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: do you order all this? I can't remember doing it. 687 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 3: I don't remember ordering all this before guy and then 688 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 3: the poor guy, that poor guy, that poor guy, and 689 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 3: the designer was like in the store helping us out. 690 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 4: Like one on one. 691 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 3: And then because Dad like had to catch a train, 692 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 3: at like seven fifteen. I think, I want to say, 693 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 3: like the bachelorette or something was on. So I had 694 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 3: a plan to go to my best friend from college's 695 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 3: house in the West Village, and I told her that 696 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 3: I would bring wine. 697 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 4: I am slammed, like I should not be buying more wine. 698 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 3: But Dad carefully walks me into the liquor store before 699 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 3: putting me in a cab and him getting in a 700 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 3: cab to go back to Grand Central so that I 701 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 3: didn't show up empty handed to my friend's house, and 702 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 3: then of course made me call him as soon as 703 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 3: I got into my friend's house. 704 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: I remember that wine shopping expedition. This is good. Just 705 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: take this one nicely. 706 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 4: Oh my god, definitely that was a good time. 707 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 3: I think the best nights with both friends and family 708 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 3: for me are ones that have like a loose plan 709 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 3: that evolves into something even better than you maybe anticipated 710 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:15,879 Speaker 3: for it. 711 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, kind of just flying without a 712 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: flight plan, if you will. And we're still blessed to 713 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: be able to have some of those things. You know. 714 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: My mom, Emily's grandma, lives out on the east end 715 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: of Long Island, and we tend to gravitate to that 716 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: area for holidays and you know, some summer family dinners 717 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: and things like that, and it's always loose and we're 718 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: cracking lobster shelves around the table or something and drinking 719 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: a lot of wine. It's fun time. 720 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 4: What are your hopes for me? 721 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: Happiness in whatever role it is that you feel fulfilled. 722 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: It's it's very general. It's gratifying to me to see 723 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: you succeed professionally doing what you want. Hurdle has grown, 724 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: I think beyond what you thought it would ever be. 725 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: I get joy from seeing you be successful in it 726 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: as well as in your writing endeavors. And I just 727 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: want you to be happy at all. 728 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, me be happy. 729 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 3: What would you say reflecting on me being an entrepreneur? 730 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 3: What would you say has been one of your proudest 731 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 3: moments of me as an entrepreneur? 732 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: I think the way I mean, anyone can start a business, 733 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: and almost anyone does, but watching the way that you 734 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: handle your business with an eye on long term success 735 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: is really to be commended. Trademark issues, copyrights, not just 736 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: throwing something together to get it going, but really doing 737 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: the homework and putting your business together the right way. 738 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: And it goes back to the way Grandpa would build furniture, 739 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: that story, you know, starting with great war materials and 740 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: building something that's going to stand the test of time. 741 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 3: What advice do you have for me when it comes 742 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 3: to this new chapter that I'm in here in Brooklyn. 743 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a new chapter. I know 744 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: it's a new house, a new place to live, but 745 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: it's still you. You're doing what you were doing before. 746 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: You can spread out a little bit more. You have 747 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: a studio, you have color coded books on the shelf 748 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: behind you, all these things that you didn't have room 749 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: for before. So if that's a new chapter, professionally, I 750 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: acknowledge that. Personally, I don't think that you're going to 751 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: change because you're in Brooklyn instead of Manhattan. I think 752 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: you'll change Brooklyn. They have no idea what they're up against. 753 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 3: When you think about your values, what comes to mind. 754 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: My values right now going through a period here, If 755 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: I was to swing this camera around, you'd see lots 756 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: of boxes and furniture, and this room has six lamps 757 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: in it right now, and that's because my girlfriend and 758 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: I are now living together, so her stuff is here 759 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: and my stuff is here. And during this process we 760 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: have discovered that we have a lot to give away. 761 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: So it's really kind of cool to be able to 762 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: take perfectly good stuff and bring it to the veterans 763 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: or Habitat for Humanity or the people at Goodwill because 764 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: they need this stuff a lot more than we need 765 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 1: this stuff. So that's gratifying to be able to help 766 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: others out. 767 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 2: Generosity, generosity. 768 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: Sparked by necessity. 769 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 2: I guess, but still generosity. 770 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,280 Speaker 1: Right now, we're trying to you know, six thousand square 771 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: feet worth of stuff in three thousand square feet of house. 772 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 3: Wow, three thousand square foot of house. That's yeah, so 773 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 3: much room for activities. 774 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: So much room. It's just we could just you know, 775 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: play tennis. 776 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 3: I'levanter the house. Well, I mean that's not even to 777 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 3: count the backyard here. Okay, So we're sorrying to wind 778 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 3: down our conversation. Dad, when you think about being a father, 779 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 3: reflecting because it is Father's Day week here, what would 780 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 3: you say is something you are looking forward to in 781 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,399 Speaker 3: your fatherhood journey? 782 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: Still grandfatherhood eventually it would be nice. You know a 783 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: lot of our friends have grandkids, and I think as 784 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:15,319 Speaker 1: much as becoming a father changes your life, I think 785 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: becoming a grandfather does that too, and I was blessed 786 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: to have two great dads that were role models and 787 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: taught me a lot about fatherhood. I'm also looking forward 788 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,240 Speaker 1: to more great family time that was kind of stolen 789 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 1: from us last year, and I don't want to wait 790 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: to get it back. You know, I feel like to 791 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,240 Speaker 1: a certain extent, as a father and as a member 792 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: of a family, we're making up for lost time. So 793 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: you know, I get to see my mom this weekend, 794 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: and that's a treat. And you know, oh wow, moment, 795 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: we get to go to Kathy's mom's wedding this weekend. 796 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: That's kind of a kick in the pants. That's something 797 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: we're looking forward to. And then you know, Christmas Eve 798 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: dinners and Thanksgivings and things like that. Always always a 799 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: favorite of mine, always a family favorite, so many many 800 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: more of those. 801 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 4: What's your hurdle moment? 802 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. 803 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I've never thought about this before, but to me, hurdle. 804 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: Moments are our career moments at professional moments. Okay, I mean, 805 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: just getting through last year was a major one. Leaving 806 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: a job to start a business is a real big one. 807 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,240 Speaker 4: What about when your father passed away? 808 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: That's not a hurdle. That's death valley. Yeah, that's a 809 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: hurdle you never clear. So I have a picture of 810 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: Grandpa in the kitchen that I it's strategically positioned. So 811 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: I go get my stuff to go to work. I 812 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 1: work at home now, but every morning I have to 813 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: go to where this picture is and I always say 814 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: hi to him, and he always, you know, gives me 815 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: a pat on the back. 816 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 817 00:44:59,200 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's special. 818 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: It tells me to do good. 819 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 4: It tells you to do good. All right, Bob, we're 820 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 4: winding down here. 821 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 3: If you could offer me a piece of advice as 822 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 3: I continue on here as an entrepreneur, as your daughter, 823 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 3: just going forward in life, what would your piece of 824 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 3: advice be for me? 825 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: Be true to yourself. Success is measured in happiness and 826 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: smiles and not in your bank balance, although you and 827 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: I can talk about that stuff offline. Just do what 828 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: you want to do, not what someone else wants you 829 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: to do. The expectations that you have to meet in 830 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: life are the ones that you set, not the ones 831 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: that anyone else sets. And I think that you're just 832 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: killing it. You're knocking it out of the park, and 833 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: it makes me very, very happy to be your dad. 834 00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 4: Thanks Dad. 835 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 3: This isn't the conventional last question here, but you have 836 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,240 Speaker 3: an opportunity right now to offer the hurdlers one last 837 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 3: piece of advice getting over their hurdles. 838 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 4: You have the opportunity to. 839 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 3: Be everyone's stand in dad for this moment, right now. 840 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 4: What do you tell them? 841 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: Look in the mirror. Are you happy with what you say? 842 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 1: If not, find a dream, figure out how to give 843 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: it some wings and make it real. Your audience is 844 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: younger rather than older. This is the time to make 845 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: shit happen. This is the time right now. Go make 846 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: it happen. Find that hurdle. 847 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 4: And conquer it concrete. 848 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,399 Speaker 3: Oh Dad, what a jem I know you're not ready 849 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 3: to announce your new podcast plans here on the show yet, 850 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 3: but please make sure to reach out to me when 851 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 3: you are, and we'll give it some airtime. How do 852 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 3: the hurdlers keep up with you? How do they follow 853 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 3: along with you? Some of them already? Do? 854 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: Many of them already? Do? I love you, guys, I 855 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: love you, and you love Bam bam bob. So you 856 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: see me lurking in the background commenting on Emily's contents 857 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: all the time. So if you if you follow me, 858 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,439 Speaker 1: I'll follow you back. Oh love you guys. 859 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:20,760 Speaker 2: Bye. 860 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 3: Over on Instagram at Bam Bam Bob. I'm over on 861 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,360 Speaker 3: Instagram at Hurdle Podcast at Emily a Body, Another hurdle conquered. 862 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 4: Catch you guys next time.