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Speaker 3: You are listening to episode two hundred and sixty eight

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Speaker 3: everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts and industry

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Speaker 3: We all go through hurdles in life, and my goal

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Speaker 3: This is definitely going to help you get to your

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Speaker 3: Now, the last step here in our five step process celebrating.

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Speaker 1: Celebrating so integral to setting goals. Why is that, Robin,

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: And I was just giving myself freedom to just take

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Speaker 1: But it just for me was an example that in

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Speaker 1: and I got out and that I celebrated that for sure,

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Speaker 1: good for you. I love that.

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Speaker 3: We love a small wind celebration, and that is not

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Speaker 1: That's a big victory if you ask me.

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Speaker 3: Now, as we start to wind down here, someone listening

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Speaker 3: to this maybe in a position where they're constantly setting

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Speaker 3: goals and setting new things that they're after, but keeps

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Speaker 3: finding themselves coming up short. For someone who feels as

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Speaker 3: though they may be running into a brick wall over

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Speaker 3: and over, what advice do you have for them to

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Speaker 3: keep on keeping on and find that new sense of motivation.

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Speaker 1: We have to be willing to hold up the mirror

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Speaker 1: and ask ourselves, like what's going on? So sometimes there

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Speaker 1: are process things, or discipline things, or environmental things that

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Speaker 1: something that can be helpful there is asking a trusted critic.

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Speaker 1: No notice, I didn't say a trusted friend. I said

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Speaker 1: a trusted critic, like someone who's actually willing to say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're not getting up at six am because you go

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Speaker 1: to bed at two am, Like that's not going to happen,

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Speaker 1: you know, Like so there are certain things that are

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Speaker 1: own way. But I think that so unpacking, like the

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Speaker 1: process and the discipline and stuff I think is like

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Speaker 1: its own. I mean, we could probably go into like

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Speaker 1: a whole podcast just about that. But we should set

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Speaker 1: ourselves up for success. I think that we should make

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Speaker 1: things really bite sized and achievable. Right, So if we

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Speaker 1: use James Clear's a tomic habits for example, you know

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Speaker 1: he writes that in our goal setting habit should be

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Speaker 1: something you can achieve in two minutes or less. I

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Speaker 1: mean that when I was when I had Athena, I

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Speaker 1: had totally fallen off reading, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I got to get back on reading. And then I

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Speaker 1: first it was like I'm going to read a book

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Speaker 1: a week, and it was just absurd. So I literally

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of twenty twenty three, yeah, I was like,

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Speaker 1: felt so absurd, but I did it then, and now

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Speaker 1: I'm back into reading and I'm reading a ton, but

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Speaker 1: now I'm actually more than a book a month. But

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Speaker 1: when I started with that goal, I just stumbled. And

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Speaker 1: when I made it absurdly small. I most days did

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Speaker 1: way more than that, and then you're starting to create

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Speaker 1: that self generated momentum. And then when you layer on

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Speaker 1: process and discipline and purpose and all the other things

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Speaker 1: that I put into this journal, that's when you see

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Speaker 1: yourself win. So I think that's one of the most

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Speaker 1: basic ways we can get out of our own way

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Speaker 1: is to really really make the goal something ridiculously achievable,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily easy, right, So we want that a little

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Speaker 1: bit of stretch, but just to get yourself going. I

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Speaker 1: think that you know, we can be kind to ourselves

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Speaker 1: in what the goal is in the first place, oh

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Speaker 3: And I also think such a big part of that

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Speaker 3: is also being honest with yourself about whether or not

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Speaker 3: you're enjoying the process.

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Speaker 1: Right. Similarly, I was with you.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to do the whole like book arbitrary

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Speaker 3: deadline and realizing that I was just stressing myself out

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Speaker 3: and I wasn't enjoying it, whereas you know when I

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Speaker 3: do enjoy reading on vacation or out to dinner by myself.

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Speaker 3: And so I just reframed it and shifted my goals

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Speaker 3: to meet myself with where I'm at and find enjoyment

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Speaker 3: in the journey, because if you're not having fun, then

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Speaker 3: like that finish line, no matter how great, exciting, whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's, it's not going to mean as much for sure.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm so excited for you in this new endeavor,

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Speaker 3: this new journal. Is there anything that we haven't touched

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Speaker 3: on just yet before I let you go? When it

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Speaker 3: comes to advice that you want to offer the hurdlers

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Speaker 3: that are setting their own goals and going after their

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Speaker 3: big exciting moments right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think back to when I was like nine

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Speaker 1: years old and I tried to be like Judy Bloom's

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Speaker 1: like newest pro to day and like write dear diary today.

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Speaker 1: This is what I did and no, no, no, And

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Speaker 1: it was for some people that works. It never worked

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Speaker 1: for me. And I probably have like in my mom's house,

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Speaker 1: like so many unfinished like journals that I wrote one

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Speaker 1: page in, you know. And this is really for the

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Speaker 1: folks who feel like journaling is not for me, because

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Speaker 1: there is a framework in here that I think gets

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Speaker 1: into the mind of a hustler, gets into the mind

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Speaker 1: of a wanna be hustler, someone who you know, defines

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Speaker 1: their own finish line and is willing to architect their

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Speaker 1: next level. They just don't know how to really go

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Speaker 1: about that, you know. I invite folks to write their

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Speaker 1: next chapter, right their next chapter.

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Speaker 3: Start small, go after all the things that excite you, Robin,

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Speaker 3: that love always the opportunity to sit down with you.

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Speaker 3: If they don't just yet, and I'm sure most of

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Speaker 3: them do, how do the hurdlers follow along with you?

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Speaker 3: How do they keep up with you? Give us the details?

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Speaker 1: Yes, so, Robin Abson, I'm Robin Arson dot com. You

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Speaker 1: can get welcome Hustler wherever books are sold, and I

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Speaker 1: am so so excited to connect with folks on social

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Speaker 1: media of course ig Twitter, and you can also find

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Speaker 1: me lurking around Swagger Society, which is my newest lifestyle

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Speaker 1: membership club. There's nothing going on in Robin's life right now.

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Speaker 3: If you've learned that at all, oh so so happy

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Speaker 3: that'll be able to make this happen. I'm over at

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Speaker 3: Emily a Body at Hurdle Podcast, Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 1: Catch you guys next time.

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Speaker 3: He