WEBVTT - Episode 56: Intro to WWE 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:13.920 Hello, and welcome to another edition of Nerdificent. I'm one 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.840 half of your host, Danny Fernandez, and today I've replaced 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:23.239 Iffy with three hosts. Three other hosts, all here voices 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:25.560 that you have heard before, and one that you haven't 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.240 um and that one would be the host of Dark 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.600 five on Amazon. It is Rachel Evans. It's the first 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.120 time here. Yeah, I'm so happy to be here. You 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:39.040 recovering U W W E, and you are very heavily 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.000 involved in that world. So I knew. I was like, 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.440 if I'm going to pull her on, it's got to 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.519 be for this one. Honestly. That's the only thing that 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.520 I think I have expert knowledge, and and that's saying 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.519 a lot. Expert is a lot. But I've put in 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:58.320 my ten thousand hours I've been watching, Like I feel 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.640 confident good. Yeah, And I mean I think the other 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:03.640 thing I would say, I feel like you're an expert 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:07.920 in horror, like you actively have horror shows. Yeah, that's true, 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.880 my whole show at Yeah. Well, I mean even material 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:14.959 killers and stuff like that. If we want to talk 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.400 about serial killers, I could do that too, okay, or 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.720 chaos Magic perfect. We'll bring you on for one of those. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.640 That's really cool. Another voice that you are hearing, um 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:27.520 that you have heard before on our Buffy the Vampire 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.399 Slayer episode. She is the host of Tights and Fights. 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.759 It's Daniale Radford. Hello, thank you for joining us, Thank 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:35.760 you for having How long have you had your Tights 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.920 and Fights podcast for a while now? Jeez, yeah, I 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.679 believe we started doing that gosh in the summer of 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.440 that's right, it's been yeah, it really has been that long. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.440 That's crazy. It's crazy. And that other voice you will 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.480 recognize from our Women in Gaming episode. She is a 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.760 gamer RPG player herself and a gaming coach nel Santa Cruz. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.840 Thanks for having me, especially with this like awesome group 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:01.920 of women. This is fantastic. Well, you all have had 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.560 wrestling podcasts and like been so heavily involved in the 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.320 wrestling world. I just knew the three of you like 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.120 popped into my head as people that I wanted to 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.400 have on if I was going to have the compliment 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.440 anyone man explained to me, I wanted it to be. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.280 I wanted it to be from y'all. So I just 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.440 I wanted to start out because Rachel, you said that 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.040 you were introduced to wrestling at a young age, Like, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:26.880 what is your first memory? Who were some of the 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:31.720 first wrestlers that you remember before we totally dive into 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:33.880 the history of it. Just what is your first memory? 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.240 My very very first memory of wrestling is uh my, 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.639 I think I was probably around like three or something 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.080 because I've watched it with my dad since I was born. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.680 He just like sit on his lap was a Bruno 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.280 sam Martino, which is a deep deep cut um but 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:54.480 my dad's favorite wrestler. But my personal first memory of 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:58.760 wrestling is really tragic. Actually it's own hearts that will 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:00.720 we will get into that because that was my first 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.359 pay per view. That was that was my That was 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.679 my first memory that I can see it still. It's 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.720 horrific and we'll talk about it. Okay, So what was 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.440 your first memory of of wrestling? So it was you know, 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.240 wrestling was kind of always in the background when I 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.519 was a kid because this is when Um Trash he 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.840 Pull Hogan was huge UM and wrestling was just kind 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.120 of in the zeitgeist. I did not start watching it 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.000 until the Attitude era and the Monday Night War Wars 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.720 were well underway. UM with a bunch of friends of 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.200 mine because I started watching and I was like, what 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.800 is this thing? And then it was the episode UM 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:40.440 where an undead zombie monster UH takes the owner of 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.240 the company's daughter and puts her up on a fake crucifix. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:45.800 And I was watching it and I said, oh, this 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.760 is comic books. Oh, I'm super into this, And that's 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:50.600 when I started watching and again, Yeah, my first pay 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.360 per view experience was Over the Edge. You know, it's 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.120 a horrible name. It is right because I feel I 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.000 think I've made this point before, but I feel like 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.080 anime and wrestle in it has like a ven diagram, 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.560 so watch of the moves come from anime as well. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.120 Like you'll see more than a few people in the 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.080 w W LIKEDUK Oh totally. I see them doing the 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:14.000 Guinea Force dance. Ill build up, build up, build up 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.359 until yeah, the actual fight. It's totally dragon balls people 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.760 in spandex um. Janelle, what is your first memory of wrestling? Well, 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.280 it's funny because my first memory is Danielle's also, but 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.760 um my interpretation of that that same incident was very 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.000 soap opera esque. UM. So I grew up with with UH. 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:34.680 My mom is one of ten kids, so I have 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:36.599 like thirty plus cousins, and so we grew up just 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.839 watching and wrestling each other all the time. But that 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:44.600 moment where um, where the Undertaker kidnapped vincic Man's daughter, Um, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.120 somebody named Stone Colt Boston came in to save the 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.320 day I died, I was like I was. I was 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.680 probably like six seven years old at the time, and 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.159 I just, um, I just remember seeing that and it 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.520 was just so like the hero, like he came in 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:00.560 even though he hated and picked, and he was going 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.200 to save his daughter because it was the right thing 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.479 to do. And so that was It's really funny that 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.320 that we have like the same moment as our first 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.360 spit beer on me when I was nine. Oh my god, 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:15.600 what an honor my first um, even though I what 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.920 never got into it as much as y'all have. My 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.120 first memory, I think would honestly be middle school. My 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:25.120 little brother was obsessed with wrestling. He would pile drive 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:30.600 into my pillows. Yeah, he just he was obsessed with 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:34.320 the rock. So I feel like that was my introduction. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.720 But I was also aware of Stone called Steve Austin Um, 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.040 John Cena Um. But yeah, my little brother just gravitated 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.600 to the rocks so much he would do the eyebrow, 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.800 the people's eyebrow. Um so that was like always on 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.720 our television. Um yeah, so I guess that was my 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:56.120 first memory before we hop in just talking about how 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:00.240 it got started. So the w W E n Aime 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.920 also refers to the professional and of course that changed. Um, 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.320 but it refers to the professional wrestling promotion that was 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:12.800 founded by Jess McMahon and a guy named Toots. Love 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.960 that that used to be a name. Toots mom old 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.040 carne stuff. I know, love it, bring back Toots. Where's 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.160 that name? I'm sure there's a Toots out there that's 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.120 a great wrestler name. No wonder he went into it. 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.000 Um so too. I mean we haven't had a Toots 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:33.240 gimmick before. I mean assigned to a to a poor 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:40.000 poor woman that we love very much, Nattie Harthetchimick. She farted, 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.560 that was her thing. I thought you were talking about 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.719 Sarah Logan in the in the What's the Driving Show? 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.600 Right with right along? Yeah, she farted in the car 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.039 and then like hot boxed it. Anyways, probably why they 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.680 don't pick the name Tuotes anymore. Yeah, that's probably why. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.520 So that was in nineteen fifty two as the Capital 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:03.880 Wrestling Corporate Ation. So McMahon, who was a successful boxing promoter, 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:08.120 began working with text Ricord in nineteen six and with 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.840 the help of Ricord, he began promoting boxing and wrestling 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:15.280 at Madison Square Garden. So this ended up becoming UM 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.920 once they formed this wrestling corporation. Essentially, that's eventually what 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.920 we came to know as a WWF and then eventually 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.520 the w w E. Does anyone want to just explain 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.000 what happened there with a WWF? UM? So well, and 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.120 it was for a while it was the WWWF and 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:36.200 then UM. When Vince McMahon took over from his dad, 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:40.600 who was also Vince McMahon UM, he began buying up 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.600 all of these little territories and companies. So what basically 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.000 what he did about that? Because this is really interesting, 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:48.920 Like this point of it I think is super interesting 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.280 because it's will never be the same again because of 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.880 what they did they went. So basically what happened is 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.040 that there was a top guy in each region, and 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.880 that top guy would travel around each region and there 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.280 would be jobbers or they be mid carters that would 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.080 just kind of stay in their regions, but these top 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.480 guys it would all travel around. What the McMahon's did. 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.280 Let's go to each region and say, hey, you could 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.680 have you could be in one place, you could be 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.840 in one company, and we'll take care of you. And 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:16.760 so he took all the top guys put him in 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.960 one organization, and then all everything else failed because there 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.560 was all jobbers. And then the jobbers went to the WWW. Yeah, 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:28.200 and so then that's when it became WWB and the 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.160 reason had to become the w w E was an 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:35.240 early two thousands. The WWS is the Worldwide Life World 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:41.200 Wildlife Federation UM. And so they successfully sued in England 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:45.320 saying we're tired of people confusing our sweet sweet pandas 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.760 with this and this was during a particularly raunchy point 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:50.400 in w w E S. So do you think that's 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.719 why they won? Yeah, yeah, because they I mean, I 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.640 think the the idea was like their brand was being 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.920 sullied and it was some pretty was during the time 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.280 the Aptitude era, which is UM, when they were doing 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.240 like you know, brom panties matches where women were just 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.160 snatching you know that in order to win, you had 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.959 to declothe the other woman like that was it was 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.120 was what was happening back then, um, and it was 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.199 just a lot of cursing, a lot of you know, 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:20.839 just um even just racial storylines. It's just very very Uh. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.240 If I were, you know, running a panda organization, I 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.240 wouldn't want my name to be still by that either. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.800 And so that's when it went from w w E, 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.199 which is World Wrestling Entertainment, which, let's be real, is 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.079 a better I think I agree, because it did. It 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.439 really encompasses there sort of this um the way that 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.679 they kind of went around and absorbed all of these 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.439 other territories and and uh and you know, promotions. It 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.640 also solidifies the idea that it's sports entertainment to get 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.200 them out of the legality of being an actual sports 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.000 organization sports entertainment. So can you talk to me kind 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.160 of about the legacy of the McMahon's because they've been 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.320 involved for so long. Are they kind of seen as 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:04.760 um villains sometimes or what I mean that's just from 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:09.880 an outside point of Yeah, they're the mafia. They they 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:14.840 are the Donald Trump's of like their friends, their friends, 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.600 they're good friends, and to think of them that way 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.400 is like they're the modern day monarchy. I know that 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:24.920 there's monarchies not in America, in America, but yeah, no, 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:29.719 like they they're definitely a nefarious organization. Um. But that 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.880 being said, I look at me, I'm an apologist. I 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.319 was about to be like, they're not. They're just carnis. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.400 They're just old school carnies. But at this point, like 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.559 the actual McMahon's of it all or have transcended that. 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.400 And I do think that's an important point to make 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.240 about wrestling is that it did start. You know, there's 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:52.480 so much terminology. Um, it's all carnie talk because wrestling 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.920 really began to get big at carnivals. And that's why 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.240 when you know, that's why you can have someone named Toots, 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.120 Yeah who helps um, who helps get things off the ground. 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.959 And so that's why when we do so much of 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.920 this weird wrestling terminology, because it really is its own language. 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.599 And we talked about you know, marks and smarts and 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:18.720 jobbers and all these little yeah, these weird phrases or terminology. Yeah, 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.120 it all comes from when it was carney stuff. Okay, 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:26.720 So the Golden Age, which is the eighties where y'all 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.920 still I mean, that was before we were born. But 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:32.719 do you go back and watch, Like, did you go 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:34.760 back and watch those? Like, what are some moments that 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.440 people who are some like famous or groundbreaking wrestlers during 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.840 that time. It was a lot of just big powerhouse 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:46.000 type men. Back then. It was very slow. The wrestling 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.120 was very very slow. Um. You know, it was the 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.679 time when when Rick Flair was on top. Um. Rick 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.319 Flair was kind of the um so he's called the 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.800 nature boy because he this whole thing was like the 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.240 guy who's got the bleached blonde hair and that there 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.240 was lots of nature boys, but he was the nature boy. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.199 And so again like you had all your whole Cogan's 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.760 and your UM Warrior Ultimate Warrior, and so it was 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.040 very slow wrestling. UM. So it is kind of funny 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.079 to go back because you can kind of appreciate the storylines, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:18.240 but also you're like, oh, not a good wrestler. Yeah. 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.120 A lot of Yeah, there's a Randy Savage was during 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:26.319 that point. Um. A lot of what most people think 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:31.079 iconically of wrestling, UM comes from that early eighties. It 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.520 was the golden age of blading, which is when you, um, 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.240 you cut yourself open with a small razor blade too. Yeah, 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.319 for the dramatic effect of the matches, like, oh, herested me, 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:41.920 and you do it on the forehead because that's where 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.959 it bleeds the best, tiny tiny, tiny cuts, so that 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.240 when you get hit in the head, they bleed out. 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.760 And Abdullah the Butcher actually has a slot in the 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.679 middle of his forehead where he's bladed so many times 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.720 he can stick a quarter in there. Yeah, Dudley Devon 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.360 Dudley's faces. I mean, he's wonderful and I love him 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:03.000 at yeah. Great. Their fourheads are just it's just very 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.200 very deep, particularly kind of and now that we have HD, 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.080 we can really see death by a thousand cats literally, 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.000 to be honest, Like, you know, I prefer wrestling now. 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.360 I think you'll, Yeah, I think you'll see a lot 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.600 of people, especially people who used to watch but don't 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.920 watch anymore, refer to that as the Golden Age. And 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.199 then the added what you hear mostly though, is the 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.000 attitude air is the best air in wrestling. That's kind 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.000 of where we grew up. That's why. So we do 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.000 you think because on here just says this is the 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.360 Golden Age, But is that just something people have equated like, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.200 because when I think of Golden Age, thinks like, oh, 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.600 the Golden Age of comics, Like that's just an accepted term. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.240 Are you saying people are just like nostalgically adding like, oh, 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.600 that was the golden days? Yeah, this isn't like how 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.280 you know in comics they do there is they're broken 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.079 up by decades. So there is like you know, the 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.960 Golden Age, the Bronze Age, the Silver Age. Um, it's 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:54.920 not I would say with wrestling, it's not really like that. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.080 That's just something that someone Yeah, it's a nostalgia trip 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.480 for sure. So would you say that some of the 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.959 wrestlers from the eighties old like influence like can you 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.199 see how they influenced the next generation? And like who 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.280 would you equate that to? Like who? Can you is 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:11.760 there someone that you can point out that like, oh 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.000 he clearly influenced this wrestler. Well, a huge one right 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.679 now is um Piper? Why why you Piper? Um? He 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.960 was huge. If you ever saw They Live, he was 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.360 in that. He did a few movies. Um, he always 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.040 his big thing was Piper's Pit, which was a conversational 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.840 um talk show styled way to further along storylines. There 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.840 are so many can you give me an example, like 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.400 he would like sit there and he would do a 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.480 segment like a sketch. He would do a sketch essentially 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.240 in front of like they would have a set and 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.520 he would um, you know and talk to you know, 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.680 bring on a wrestler and just they would just end 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.520 up like yelling at each other because you know they're 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.600 going to fight. Um. Yeah, just a way to further storylines. 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:55.880 And now so he had like a Mari situation. They 0:14:55.920 --> 0:15:00.240 had like Jerry Springer and they have a they had 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:04.040 a barber shop also, which was really funny. Um. I 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.240 just thought about Shawn Michael's because sorry, going back to um, 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:12.120 Roddy Um. Rhonda Rousy um actually super influenced by Roddy 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.920 Piper and so she actually was going by Rowdy Rhonda 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.240 m Rousy and she would come out. She the first 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:18.840 time she showed up on a WDB, she was wearing 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.800 his leather jacket and UM, so that's definitely someone who 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:25.360 was influenced heavily by somebody from the eighties. UM. Trying 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.280 to think of I think like Andre the Giant is 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.600 an easy one because any big man, like they literally 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:36.040 have an Andre the Giant like Memorium match. Um. But yeah, 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.080 I know any any big guy that choke slams. It's 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.760 in Andre the Giant move. Yeah. Can you talk about 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.040 some of the move before we move on to the 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.080 next air. Can you talk about some of the popular 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.080 moves that were in the eighties. I would say choke 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.720 slams were super popular just because it was the rise 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.040 of the big Man, and then you had Hogan's crappy 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.960 leg drop. Yeah, yeah, yea yeah. A lot of it 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:58.760 was a lot of Russ holds, a lot of just 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.160 you know, interlocking and then you know, just strength checks 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.760 and where you just can't grab each other's arms and 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.560 try to stronger, you know, and um some power power bombs, 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.360 which is where you pick them up and just kind 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.040 of lay them flat on their back. I feel like 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.080 d d T s were kind of which is where 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.040 you just kind of, yeah, you grab their head underneath 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.280 your arm, put and just kind of like picture one 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.720 chop and I can't I can't think of any chops. 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.800 But so something important that is a wrestling move that's 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.600 out through all wrestling is when we refer to as 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.520 a bump, and that is literally when someone has to um, 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.160 you know, when you get hit and you have to 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.200 fall and you land on your back, flat back. There 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.280 is a way that you have to do that so 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.240 that everything takes the brunt of it all at the 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.960 same time. Um, so you have to like you fall back, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.400 you have the slam throughout, and there's a way to bump. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.840 There's a way to bump that when you can jump 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.640 off of age and you can bump and you're not 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:58.440 gonna be great, but you won't be dead. Yeah. Yeah, So, um, 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.760 let's talk about some of the training that goes on 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.760 behind this, because that ended up being I do remember, 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:07.959 I don't know when the first one off to look 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.280 it up, but they ended up televising that, Like that 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.160 became a whole thing to like be in a house 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.479 and be being trained and like to be And then 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.040 there was also that show on MTV that like on 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:27.119 like X somethings make their make their living post a 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.720 career as they trained you know, other people. And that's 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.840 because WW historically doesn't take care of the wrestlers after 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.959 after they've retired. Um, there's no because their independent contractors there, 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:43.160 like the NFL, it totally almost worse, honestly, Well there's 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.800 no federal regulation, so it's much worse. Yeah, there's no union. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:52.920 There's no there's no union. But they we talked about 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.240 Rotti and he was like he was on the outside 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:56.560 when he was like forty five. He had to go 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.240 back and go wrestle because he couldn't afford to live. 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:03.720 I feel like, I feel like as entertainers, they should 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.480 be allowed to be in an entertainment union. I agree 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.399 they should be. They should be part of SAG. It 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:13.240 should be said they're on TV. Doesn't make something would 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.800 make sense. But you know you're not dealing with You're 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.439 dealing with the mafia, like they don't care. Yeah, they did. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.800 In the eighties there was a big movement UM to 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.000 unionize and once again proving what a trash HEP is. 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.800 Whole Coken helped us that open the guy UM. I 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.080 do think I have to I have to think that 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.840 a W it's a new promotion that is the pretty 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.440 much the only Yeah, it is pretty much the only 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:42.520 promotion to directly like say, w W, we can take you. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.680 They're offering healthcare. And I have to think with this 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.600 new wave of people dropping like flies from the w W, 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:53.840 E like, is that Sasha thing real? You know? Who knows? 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:55.920 But I at the same time, you know, so there 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.760 are right now. It's it reminds me a lot of 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:00.760 the Monday Night Wars, which is a huge part of 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.680 the Attitude era where um as they called him Billionaire 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.040 Ted um As Ted Turner decided that he wanted to 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.800 really put his money behind the wrestling programs that they 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.919 had already had um and he was Ted Turner. Uh, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.879 Ted Turner is in the millionaire he owns all the superstations, 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:24.119 cable cable guy. Yeah, So he decided he'd already had 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.520 some wrestling, so he decided he was going to rebrand 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.440 it and make it edgy. And that was a period 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.600 where you would see people kind of because that was 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:34.119 one of the first real big um challenges to w 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.000 w e's um kind of monopoly, and so you would 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:38.840 see people go back and forth from those companies. And 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.399 we're starting to see some of that now with New 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.080 Japan and a w is another contender where if you're 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.760 unhappy at w w E, there's a chance that you 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.720 could go and leave and really make your mark somewhere 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.120 else and then of course inevitably come back when you're 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.440 tired of doing that. And we've already seen it like 0:19:55.600 --> 0:20:01.200 it's proven like WWW's veteran star Jericho, he's been around 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.680 for twenty plus years, is now one of the main 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.160 faces of a W and he's champion like Jim Ross, 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:12.720 who's a legend on the mike, gonna be momentary ever 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.840 heard by God by God, he's broken in half. Who 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.240 was the voice of the of the Attitude era. It's 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.960 him and Jerry the King lawler Um. But going back 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.560 to all elite and this company isn't started by by 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.159 stars who UM never went to WDB sto strong in 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:30.840 the face of money being thrown in their face and 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.199 they were just like Cody, Cody, Cody, Yeah, Cody left UM. 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.080 But this is the Young Bucks, then Kenny Omega, who 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:39.760 are stars of UM New Japan and Ring of Honor 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.240 and New Japan and Ring of Honor are these independent 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.479 quote companies. But they worked together because they and they 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.320 built this machine very very strong against to hold up against. 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.000 And so now you have people that are yeah, they're 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.560 just totally you know, they have a chance to make 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:55.879 make a living outside of w B now because of 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.800 this place and WW is col waking feel it for 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.639 the first time ever. They're kicking people out of w 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:08.200 W shows that are wearing a w march um. So 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:10.560 just wrapping up a little bit more on this era. 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:14.600 The There was an introduction of Saturday Night Main Event 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.800 on NBC in nine five, and that mark the first 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:20.840 time that professional wrestling have been broadcast on network television 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.560 since in nineteen fifties. I don't know what is going 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:28.000