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Speaker 1: something that cannot be separated out. This is a growth

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong Bill is anybody's gas? Uh I you mentioned

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Speaker 1: but sticking with US China trade policy for a second, Garrett,

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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty hard when you're when you're doing this,

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about legislation with Hong Kong, it's such

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Speaker 1: a touchy subject for the Chinese um specifically a lot

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Speaker 1: a resolution because at the end of the day, I mean,

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Speaker 1: trade wars, everybody loses. Emily Wilkins, Bloomberg Government congressional reporter.

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Speaker 1: When you're up there talking to sources up on Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 1: talked to you, I mean, they're just they're like, come on,

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Speaker 1: by the end of the year, please get rid of

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Speaker 1: these tariffs. Mean, yeah, many of them are coming from

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Speaker 1: a desperate need for to relieve this trade ward to

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Speaker 1: I mean I just thought of this. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: H Garrett, I see a shake in your head. The

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Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, what does Chuck Grassley saying that? No,

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Speaker 1: something that you know, you can't say we're gonna walk

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Speaker 1: and chew gum at the same time and then not

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Speaker 1: get the trade. So sick of that that cliche. We

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Speaker 1: all because you're not, I mean we're there. There's a

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Speaker 1: full focus on impeachment and there's no movement on something

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Speaker 1: support in the Senate that would be easily passible in

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Speaker 1: the House. Garrett. What I meant was, I'm so sick

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Speaker 1: of hearing people tell me that they can walk and

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Speaker 1: chew gum at the same time. Like three people said

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Speaker 1: it to me in the spin room. It's really hard

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Speaker 1: to walk in chew gum. I don't think it's a

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Speaker 1: good idea. Emily, do you walk in chew gum? And

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Speaker 1: I was actually told by my dentists several years ago,

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Speaker 1: I'm no longer allowed to chew gum. Max Burns, do

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Speaker 1: you walk in chewgum? I tried once. It was disastrous.

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Speaker 1: You can also find us on radio dot com. Tom

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Speaker 1: Keen's Cringing Somewhere, I Heart Radio and Spotify. I'm Kevin Cereli,

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Speaker 1: same time you're listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg's Sound

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Speaker 1: Star Panel, Garrett Ventry, Republican strategist, Garrett, what are you

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Speaker 1: doing for Thanksgiving? One week away? I'm going back to Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: New York. My bills are seven and three. By the way,

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Speaker 1: why even though you beat us? We did, But I'm

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Speaker 1: not having a lot of anxiety about this year's Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: He was more about Carson Wentz, like I I can't

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Speaker 1: want to talk about Max Burn's Democratic strategist up in

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Speaker 1: New York. Max, what do you do it for Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 1: Turkey Day? I'm going back home again to Indiana. My

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Speaker 1: cannot wait to see me Indiana. Well that's good. Uh?

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Speaker 1: And you are you in charge of cooking anything? Max?

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Speaker 1: I hope not. I'm still tired. I'm gonna be sleeping

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Speaker 1: off the impeachment. Wow. Wow. Emily Wilkins, Bloomberg Government congressional reporter,

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Speaker 1: you're going back to Detroit. I am. I'm headed back

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Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving with the family. So this is a lot

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Speaker 1: of pressure on keV this year. One week from today,

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Speaker 1: all of the family is coming from Delco to d C.

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Speaker 1: And we're doing a d C Turk Day at Cafe Milano,

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Speaker 1: So you know it's gonna be I guess I'm not

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Speaker 1: really hosting, but I guess I'm sort of hosting because

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Speaker 1: I'm here. I don't know. We'll see, We'll see how

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Speaker 1: it works out. Thanksgiving has always been one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite holidays, and this is one of my favorite panels

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Speaker 1: because it's time now for What's on Your Radar? We

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Speaker 1: still don't have the intrimutes that Christine barad is back

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Speaker 1: from vacation or are intrepid, hardworking, unstoppable executive producer. We

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Speaker 1: still don't have the music for the what's on your

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Speaker 1: your Radar? Emily, What's on your Radar? So I actually

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Speaker 1: worked on a kind of interesting story today. Senator John Cordon,

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Speaker 1: who's up for re election in released this bill. It's

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Speaker 1: called the Response Act, and basically it is meant to

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Speaker 1: be a response to mass shootings, but without infringing on

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Speaker 1: gun rights or Second Amendment rights. And so it's interesting

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Speaker 1: because it's not just corn who signed onto this bill.

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Speaker 1: It's a number of Senators who are facing potentially tough

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Speaker 1: re elections in You've got Martha McSally from Arizona, Joni

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Speaker 1: Earns from Iowa, You've got Tom tell Us from North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: All of them have signed onto this bill, and it

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Speaker 1: kind of speaks to sort of this interesting challenge what

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Speaker 1: would it do. So it would do a number of

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Speaker 1: different things. It's a couple of security measures, things like, hey, schools,

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Speaker 1: make sure that you're sort of monitoring the internet, so

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Speaker 1: students are going to websites that should raise alarm bells,

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Speaker 1: you can sort of make sure to target that. UM.

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Speaker 1: It also prohibits the unlicensed selling of firearms, which is

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Speaker 1: something that was seen earlier this year with someone with

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Speaker 1: one of the shootings. UM. I believe it was Odessa,

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Speaker 1: but don't double check me on that one. UM. And

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Speaker 1: so Corny's got this bill out to do it, and

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Speaker 1: it sort of speaks the need to for these Republicans

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Speaker 1: to address the mass shootings that have gone on while

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Speaker 1: still protecting the Second Amendment. Right. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: one of the things that we we need to get

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Speaker 1: better about in the media is is you you did

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Speaker 1: it great right there. I mean, that was perfect and

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Speaker 1: that this isn't alluding to you at all. But we

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Speaker 1: need to stop saying that one side cares about ending

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Speaker 1: mass shootings, and one side doesn't. No one wants there

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Speaker 1: to be mass shootings. The conversation has to be about

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Speaker 1: the police. He's in the different prescriptions that that all

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Speaker 1: of the different ideas that there are. You can vehemently

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Speaker 1: think any I had. No one in Congress wants there

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Speaker 1: even like a national conversation or a special investigation into it,

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Speaker 1: a bipartisan commission into this epidemic. Uh, it's it's so

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Speaker 1: incredibly tragic. And the polls just I mean I I

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Speaker 1: That is mobilizing folks as well. Great job, can't wait

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Speaker 1: about it, Garrett, what's on your radar? You know I

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Speaker 1: love judges, so yes, yes, you're the scottest guy. So

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Speaker 1: I one thing that's interesting is, uh, the Senate just

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Speaker 1: which is pretty wild. So why impasement is going on?

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Speaker 1: Why these other things are going on? The President continues

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Speaker 1: to solidify reshaping the judiciary with conservatives on the court,

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Speaker 1: earth it really is. I mean that's a great point.

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Speaker 1: Max Boords, what's on your radar? I'm still looking at

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Speaker 1: Facebook after a couple of quiet weeks that where I'm

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Speaker 1: sure blessed for them. Uh, they've upset the Trump campaign

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Speaker 1: LinkedIn and TikTok for the Kids start to distance themselves

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Speaker 1: from Facebook's political ad policy and just say Snapchat's gonna

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Speaker 1: do fact checking. LinkedIn and TikTok just say no political ads.

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Speaker 1: So Facebook once again can't seem to please anybody. Twitter

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Speaker 1: The subtext and they didn't say this, the subtext all

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Speaker 1: out on offense. Max. Yeah, and it's it's something that

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Speaker 1: And I think Mark Zuckerberg went to the White House

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Speaker 1: figure out what they could do without catching more fire

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Speaker 1: you know. One of the things to piggyback off of that.

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Speaker 1: This is what's all my radar. Andrew Yang. He has

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Speaker 1: I asked him in the spin room about one of

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Speaker 1: and how he would work with the international community on that.

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Speaker 1: Here he is, we have to create an international framework

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