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Speaker 2: All from Benjamin.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Not much? I'm calling you from rehab. Oh really, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm two months in, two months sober as a last Friday.
Speaker 1: What's what's rehab like?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: It's been good so far. I mean, I've got an
Speaker 2: eight month old daughter, so it's pretty hard being here
Speaker 2: away from her. But it feels good to have been
Speaker 2: sober for her for the last two months. That's been awesome.
Speaker 1: What is this alcohol that we're talking or something else?
Speaker 2: It was alcohol, and like copious amounts of pot, like
Speaker 2: insane marathon smoker's amount of pot. Interesting, for about five years,
Speaker 2: I smoked like an ounce to two ounces a day.
Speaker 1: You smoked an ounce of pot a day for five years. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm out too, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's all good. Yeah, it was nuts. Again, it was
Speaker 2: not good for.
Speaker 1: An ounce of pot a day. Oh my god. Sorry.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I feel like I'm making fun to read.
Speaker 1: But I mean no, I mean no, I'm I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, that's under that's that's that's a lot.
Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah, that is because when you said pot,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't. I've never heard of someone
Speaker 1: in real I mean, obviously alcohol people are going to
Speaker 1: be have for it all the time, but I've never
Speaker 1: heard somebody in rehab for for pot. And I mean
Speaker 1: an ounce is how do you afford that? Holy shit,
Speaker 1: it's like an ounce of pot. It's like one hundred bucks, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's just here amount. I grew a lot
Speaker 2: of it myself. I'm in Canada, so it's pretty easy
Speaker 2: to grow it and get away with it. And yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of it. I just I made money, like
Speaker 2: I was in school for a while, but I was
Speaker 2: also making money on the side. I had a lot
Speaker 2: of savings, so I kind of just burned through a
Speaker 2: lot of money really could have.
Speaker 1: Mm okay, so what were you were you were you
Speaker 1: selling what you grew or I mean, you know, you
Speaker 1: can plead the fifth on that if you want. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: you guys don't have the fit, you don't have the fit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, fat no, No, I was. I was selling it,
Speaker 2: not super not legally, but I definitely was, and that
Speaker 2: helps fund a lot of it. And then you know,
Speaker 2: I have buddies. I went through a couple of jobs
Speaker 2: where I like use my job as leverage to get pot.
Speaker 2: I managed at campground for a while and doing that,
Speaker 2: like it was near a bunch of indigenous dispensaries, so
Speaker 2: I'd let the indigenous guys come in and use the
Speaker 2: boat launch for free and they give me like that's
Speaker 2: pretty cool. Now it's a pot a day.
Speaker 1: Look forgive me for my ignorance. But does Canada even
Speaker 1: have laws and jail?
Speaker 2: And yes, yeah we have laws. There are like a
Speaker 2: lot of laws around weeds. Like right now, if you
Speaker 2: buy edibles at a dispenser, you can't get a single
Speaker 2: edible over like ten milligrams. Really there are there's weird Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's really weird laws. But you could buy like two
Speaker 2: ounces weed.
Speaker 1: Okay, weird, so you can you can buy for you
Speaker 1: a two days supply of weed.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, easily. Yeah. And if I like, you can
Speaker 2: go to multiple dispensers, you could have like ten ounces
Speaker 2: by the end of the day if you wanted to.
Speaker 1: Where is that what you were doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sometimes yeah wow.
Speaker 1: Throw a bomb?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, like hard and like near the end, I
Speaker 2: started doing diamonds. So I'd like heat up a spoon
Speaker 2: with a buttane torch until it got cherry red and
Speaker 2: then like drop diamonds onto the spoon and then in hail
Speaker 2: that to like a milk jump that I'd cut half off,
Speaker 2: like a way half gram at a time.
Speaker 1: What was it? What's the diamond?
Speaker 2: It's like ninety pc distilled into a crystal. It's hardcore.
Speaker 1: That you know what's hilarious is like they you can't
Speaker 1: overdose on weed, but it's you are proof that you
Speaker 1: cannot overdose on weed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically if you could.
Speaker 1: You would have. You would have been super dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no kidding, I would have. And I mean,
Speaker 2: like I had other crazy times when I did tons
Speaker 2: of weed, Like one day I took a thousand mili
Speaker 2: rams of edibles at once and like that felt like
Speaker 2: I was gonna die. That was nuts.
Speaker 1: One thousand milligrams of I would feel like for you,
Speaker 1: after all this smoking, your tolerance would be such that
Speaker 1: a thousand milligrams would be like if I took fucking ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well I also took two tabs of acid
Speaker 2: at the same time.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a it was a wombo combo.
Speaker 1: So what was the what? Why? Why why were you?
Speaker 1: Why were you smoking an ounce of we to day?
Speaker 1: If you even have an answer to that question, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely do. Like, Okay, I'm gonna go back
Speaker 2: a little bit. I've always been addicted to something Like
Speaker 2: even when I was a little kid, I like my
Speaker 2: parents were very much like they didn't allow me to
Speaker 2: have video games, they didn't allow me to eat sugar,
Speaker 2: all sorts of stuff, So I like I didn't know
Speaker 2: how to regulate my own dopamine kind of.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So like I remember, even at like five or six
Speaker 2: years old, I'd read a book and I like try
Speaker 2: to reread the book to get the same enjoyment out
Speaker 2: of it, but of course you wouldn't. I get frustrated
Speaker 2: and angry at the book. Or like when I did
Speaker 2: finally start being able to play video games, I get
Speaker 2: really angry when a video game didn't satisfy me the
Speaker 2: same way. And I didn't start drinking and smoking until
Speaker 2: I was about nineteen. Started smoking when I entered university,
Speaker 2: started drinking when I entered in university, And yeah, this
Speaker 2: whole time I was smoking, I was also drinking like
Speaker 2: twenty to forty drinks a week, so it was a lot.
Speaker 2: And then of course, like university got stressful. I was
Speaker 2: still doing super well, but like the stress would just
Speaker 2: get to me. So for a couple of years I
Speaker 2: was just smoking and drinking on the weekends. Then that
Speaker 2: started to become during the week, and then that started
Speaker 2: becoming like every day, morning and night, and then most
Speaker 2: recently I was in a PhD in experimental psychology, I
Speaker 2: did my first year in that, and then I just
Speaker 2: realized I hated what I was doing. And after I
Speaker 2: dropped out of that, it got really bad because I
Speaker 2: just had nothing luck to do, tons of savings. So
Speaker 2: that's when I really started smoking, like an out the
Speaker 2: day and yeah, yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't stop. I
Speaker 2: tried for a long time. When my daughter was born,
Speaker 2: I thought that would give me the motivation to stop,
Speaker 2: and it helped me slow down a bit, but I
Speaker 2: definitely couldn't stop, and I just relapsed, going back to
Speaker 2: like an house a day. And then finally, yeah, some
Speaker 2: stuff happened with my wife that was kind of like
Speaker 2: rock bottom for me. Got like super drunk one night,
Speaker 2: things went off the rails, and she finally told me,
Speaker 2: you know, but you better just smart enough for you
Speaker 2: gotta you got to go to rehab or something or
Speaker 2: if it's over between us and you're not going to
Speaker 2: get see your daughter. So I just I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I need help. At this point, he went to rehab.
Speaker 1: M and you've been here for two months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been sober for two months. Yeah, a year
Speaker 2: long program. Uh, I'm feeling pretty good, Like I'm definitely
Speaker 2: used to being sober. Now, I kind of worry that
Speaker 2: I've just transferred to other addictions because like I've started
Speaker 2: going to the gym like two hours a day to
Speaker 2: fill up my time, and that kind of worries me
Speaker 2: that when I get out, I'm just going to work
Speaker 2: out constantly just to stave off with the anxiety. But
Speaker 2: I've only two men too.
Speaker 1: You're you're worried that you're gonna fucking get jacked.
Speaker 2: Like my goal while I'm being here is to get
Speaker 2: to the point where I'm not addicted to anything. Like
Speaker 2: there's not one thing that I just have to do
Speaker 2: every day or I'll go absolutely nuts. So, like I
Speaker 2: want to be able to exercise and work out, and
Speaker 2: I don't want it to like if I miss a day,
Speaker 2: I don't want to like freak out and get crazy
Speaker 2: anxiety or something.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm stupid. Is anyone not addicted to any
Speaker 1: like anything? Like, is there anyone out there who has
Speaker 1: no addictions at all? Even if we can consider we
Speaker 1: can consider going to the gym and addiction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, you're right, You're right, Like everybody has
Speaker 2: something that they just have to do, just like everything
Speaker 2: I've done in my life has God, I've gotten crazy
Speaker 2: compulsive about like I used to. I used to also
Speaker 2: go to the gym a ton when I was nineteen
Speaker 2: or twenty, and I would go like two hours a day,
Speaker 2: six days a week. And then I finally like one
Speaker 2: night I arm wrestled fourteen guys in a row with
Speaker 2: both arms. When I got up the next morning, I'd
Speaker 2: blown out both my shoulders and I couldn't work out
Speaker 2: at all, and it just destroyed me. Like I super
Speaker 2: depressed for months, and like I just I had no
Speaker 2: self esteem after that. So like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: get super wrapped up in just one thing like that
Speaker 2: again and then just be completely left down if it
Speaker 2: becomes impossible to do.
Speaker 1: You know, wait, you you hola, you are I I
Speaker 1: You ended that talking about how depressed and low self
Speaker 1: esteem you were, but I was I didn't catch that
Speaker 1: part because I was trying to like you arm wrestled
Speaker 1: fourteen guys with both like you were, like they like
Speaker 1: seven guys in each a line, and You're like, what
Speaker 1: is what is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, no, it was my It was my first
Speaker 2: So I did a year of Bible college before I
Speaker 2: went to university, and we had like this first men's
Speaker 2: getting to know each other retreat type thing. We all
Speaker 2: decided to arm wrestle and just nobody could beat me
Speaker 2: because it was like two hundred and ten pounds at
Speaker 2: the time. I just arm wrestled like fourteen people because
Speaker 2: none of them could beat me. And then I got
Speaker 2: up the next morning and I literally couldn't lift my
Speaker 2: like my arms above my shoulders because I had blown
Speaker 2: out both rotator cuffs.
Speaker 1: You got like arm russel gang banged.
Speaker 2: Literally huh So, Yeah, I'm just super obsessive of everything,
Speaker 2: and that's that's one of the reasons I'm rehab and
Speaker 2: I'm trying to trying to get that in order.
Speaker 1: When your daughter was born eight months ago, yep, yep,
Speaker 1: how and okay, and so in this this is a
Speaker 1: year long program, and so are you what's the deal
Speaker 1: with it? Is it?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm how do I say this? Are you? So
Speaker 1: it's like is it like a sleep away camp type
Speaker 1: of vibe or like are you what are you doing
Speaker 1: for this whole year?
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's kind of unique. It's not like a
Speaker 2: lot of rehab centers. It's actually a working farm. So
Speaker 2: I'm on this giant farm and I'm here for a year,
Speaker 2: and they kind of split it up into three quarters,
Speaker 2: so the first or four quarters. So the first quarter
Speaker 2: is just like getting your health in order, getting back
Speaker 2: into exercising, trying to eat well. The second quarter you
Speaker 2: do a lot of like AA style stuff therapy. The
Speaker 2: third quarter you can start to like work again and
Speaker 2: like get your job and stuff. So it's like a
Speaker 2: really integrated program. It's not like most places where they
Speaker 2: just bring you in and like tell you to sober
Speaker 2: up and then kick you out the door when you're done.
Speaker 2: There's a lot more, a lot more going on, especially
Speaker 2: in like the later the later months of being here.
Speaker 2: They like help people find jobs, and I help people
Speaker 2: get their driver's licenses back and all sorts of stuff. Okay,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I live here and then I get to
Speaker 2: go home on the weekends to my partner and my daughter,
Speaker 2: which is awesome. So I'm here from like Friday to Sunday,
Speaker 2: and then I come back here Monday to Friday.
Speaker 1: Interesting, and do you have a job while you're doing this?
Speaker 1: Are you working?
Speaker 2: I work in the kitchen here, so I work like
Speaker 2: twenty five to three hours a week just cooking for
Speaker 2: all the other guys here and.
Speaker 1: They and do they pay you on top of like
Speaker 1: how does how does that work?
Speaker 2: No, we pay to be here and get we don't
Speaker 2: get paid for our work here. But luckily in Canada,
Speaker 2: in the province, I mean actually you can claim EI
Speaker 2: like employment insurance for medical causes for substance abuse. So
Speaker 2: my doctor just signed off saying that, like I needed
Speaker 2: rehab and the government pays me, Like I think it's
Speaker 2: like twenty three hundred bucks a month just to be here,
Speaker 2: so it completely covers the cost of rehab plus more.
Speaker 1: So you're not going out of out of you're not
Speaker 1: losing you. So the government basically paid for you to
Speaker 1: get a reheab.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty sweet.
Speaker 1: Fucking ten points for Canada. God damn right.
Speaker 2: And it's not in every province either. I'm lucky. I'm
Speaker 2: in British Columbia, so they were one of the few
Speaker 2: provinces that does that. Are you near Vancouver, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: coming to your show in June. Was gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: wear all greens, so if you see me in the audience,
Speaker 2: I'm in green sweat fans, green hoodie, green two green everything.
Speaker 1: Fuck. Yeah, Well look here's the thing. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: need all that weed anymore. So if you want to
Speaker 1: bring into the show and give it to me, I
Speaker 1: would gladly accept it.
Speaker 2: I threw out all my wheed a long time ago,
Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna let myself go near it again.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, how what do you actually do every day?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, like so it's a kind of a weekly schedule,
Speaker 2: so Mondays and Fridays. In the mornings, we have classes
Speaker 2: can range from anything from like I've done relaxation therapy,
Speaker 2: We've done anger management courses, We've done something called smart Recovery,
Speaker 2: which is kind of like AA. And then for in
Speaker 2: the evenings you do some kind of like group therapy
Speaker 2: or like class. So tonight we had a sharing group
Speaker 2: where we just get together with a couple of guys
Speaker 2: that are in the rooms around us and talk to
Speaker 2: them about our week. Wednesday nights, they have a speaker
Speaker 2: come in Thursday night. The one guy gets up and
Speaker 2: like shares this whole life store to everybody else. And
Speaker 2: then basically all the other time during the day, we're
Speaker 2: all working different jobs around the farm. It's like some
Speaker 2: guys work in a greenhouse, some guys working at barn.
Speaker 2: Some guys do woodworking, some guys do pottery. I work
Speaker 2: in the kitchen, which I really love. But yeah, everybody
Speaker 2: just kind of splits up and we all do different
Speaker 2: things and it's almost like a little socialist farm almost.
Speaker 1: Huh are you what? Now? What did you do for
Speaker 1: work before you went to rehab? Oh?
Speaker 2: Man, I did a lot of stuff. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I was in a PhD in experimental psychology for a year,
Speaker 2: realized I hated that. I dropped out of that, and
Speaker 2: that's where I met my partner who I would later
Speaker 2: have a daughter with. So we moved back to BC.
Speaker 2: I started working at a campground for a while when
Speaker 2: we were living out of my truck camper, like with
Speaker 2: solar pannels and the whole thing at this campground. I
Speaker 2: did that for about a year, and then we found
Speaker 2: out she was pregnant, so I quit that because we
Speaker 2: couldn't raise our daughter in a truck camper. And then
Speaker 2: I got a job that is up there was at
Speaker 2: a business owned by my best friend, at an auto recycler,
Speaker 2: and I was training to go into sales there to
Speaker 2: sell car engines and transmissions and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 2: I did that for about a year, and then my
Speaker 2: mental health is just getting so bad with all the
Speaker 2: drinking and the smoking, and like the stress of my
Speaker 2: daughter just added to all that, and I just quit
Speaker 2: my job and then put a month later, I just
Speaker 2: crashed hit rock bottom, and then that's when I was
Speaker 2: just kind of forced to come to rehab. But it's
Speaker 2: a good thing I did, so I kind of just
Speaker 2: bounced around for a long time.
Speaker 1: Do you have what is your Do you have like
Speaker 1: a plan for the future of like what you want
Speaker 1: to do when you get out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure yet. I've only been here a
Speaker 2: couple of months, so I'm kind of just stabilizing right now,
Speaker 2: and I don't really figure out exactly what I want
Speaker 2: to do. My partner is good school right now, and
Speaker 2: she we're kind of we're kind of opposite. She loves
Speaker 2: having a job and working and I mean the same
Speaker 2: sort of routine every day and I hate that. So
Speaker 2: what we're actually hoping in the future is I'd love
Speaker 2: to be a stay at home dad, and we both
Speaker 2: want to have like a little farm one day where
Speaker 2: we grow plants and have animals and stuff. So hopefully
Speaker 2: down the road she can be the bread winner and
Speaker 2: I can just take care of her kids and do
Speaker 2: the housework and cook and clean, and that's that's kind
Speaker 2: of what I love to do, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 1: M m hmmm. So what what does she do again?
Speaker 2: She is a student right now. She's actually Indigenous, so
Speaker 2: while she's in school, she's getting funding from her band
Speaker 2: and from the government to go to school. So she's
Speaker 2: basically get she's basically getting paid to go to school.
Speaker 2: She gets like four grand in the month.
Speaker 1: So the Canadian government pays for her to go to
Speaker 1: school and stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, they don't pay her directly. They like give her
Speaker 2: band money, like her specific indigenous group, and then that
Speaker 2: they give her money out of that. And because she's
Speaker 2: going to school full time and she has a kid,
Speaker 2: they've basically just decided to give her four grand a month.
Speaker 2: Oh so yeah, we're we're doing pretty good. Like financially,
Speaker 2: we're okay. Neither of us have to work. She just
Speaker 2: studies full time and takes care of the baby. And
Speaker 2: I I'm in rehab, so I just kind of do
Speaker 2: my thing here and then do everything I can to
Speaker 2: help on the weekends.
Speaker 1: When you said doing pretty good, I finally heard your
Speaker 1: Canadian accent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't come out as much on the
Speaker 2: West coast, but I guess yeah, m hmm.
Speaker 1: So are you making Are you making friends in rehab?
Speaker 1: The way that you described it as like kind of
Speaker 1: a commune farm, it sounds like a place that would foster,
Speaker 1: you know, connections of some kind. Are you finding that
Speaker 1: to be true totally?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, It's definitely way different from other rehabs around here,
Speaker 2: where it's kind of just lock you up and get
Speaker 2: sober kind of thing. Honestly, Like if you wanted to
Speaker 2: get drugs here, it'd be super super easy. They don't
Speaker 2: search you or anything, and like people can go home
Speaker 2: on the weekend. So it's more of a place that
Speaker 2: guys come to who like really really are committed to
Speaker 2: staying sober and working out things in their lives and
Speaker 2: trying to be happy. So as a result, like most
Speaker 2: of the guys here are like super social and it's
Speaker 2: really easy to make friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's order type of place.
Speaker 2: Not at all, not at all. I've broken down crying
Speaker 2: in front of guys here multiple times, and everybody's just
Speaker 2: like super supportive and like right there for you. It's
Speaker 2: really awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I always sorry I'm complaining, but I've
Speaker 1: always I wish I could go to rehab for like
Speaker 1: sugar that probably exists. Is this that exists, rehab being
Speaker 1: addicted to Reese's Cups? Is there a rehab? Rehab is
Speaker 1: the rehab you could come?
Speaker 2: You can come here. They have they have people who
Speaker 2: come in for like sugar addictions. Like there's one guy
Speaker 2: who's just here because he was depressed. He just he
Speaker 2: just came here and they took him. Really, it's pretty open. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty open to interpretation.
Speaker 1: Can now I now will his did his Do you
Speaker 1: think his doctor, let like wrote him a note saying
Speaker 1: you can you're the government can pay for you to
Speaker 1: go to this commune to be not depressed. Or do
Speaker 1: you think he just went out of pocket? Uh?
Speaker 2: I don't know. In his case, I I I don't
Speaker 2: think he could qualify. Like if you get fired from
Speaker 2: your job, you can qualify for e I too, So
Speaker 2: if he just got himself fired, maybe he's maybe he's
Speaker 2: getting EI through that. And if those fail, you can
Speaker 2: also you can also try to apply for like social
Speaker 2: assistance or disability if you can prove you of some
Speaker 2: kind of disability to, but some guys do just pay
Speaker 2: out of pocket. It's only like twelve hundred bucks a month,
Speaker 2: which is pretty cheap considering everything's paid for. And it's
Speaker 2: fun too, like what it's like we get to do
Speaker 2: all sorts of cool stuff like last month we went
Speaker 2: skiing and a couple of weeks we get to go
Speaker 2: go karting, like none of like it's all paid for
Speaker 2: through the program. So I say it's worth it.
Speaker 1: I'm about to move to Canada, get a job, and
Speaker 1: get my ass fired. That sounds awesome to do it.
Speaker 2: But you can do rehab together, it'd be awesome.
Speaker 1: I would love to you're I would love to go
Speaker 1: to rehab with you. That would be great. That would
Speaker 1: be great. Well, although I will say I will say,
Speaker 1: you know, go karting and skill. You know what sucks though,
Speaker 1: is that go karting and skiing so much more fun
Speaker 1: while you're high.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, you're one hundred, that's right off.
Speaker 1: But huh, so you're feeling good? Are you feeling good
Speaker 1: about sobriety? You feel like you're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: do the month? I mean that's the year of the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Like honestly, I feel healthier and happier than
Speaker 2: I have for like the past five years. I've also
Speaker 2: I've given up a lot of like my misplaced ambition too,
Speaker 2: which has been kind of freeing in a way. Like
Speaker 2: when I was when I was in my PhD, it
Speaker 2: wasn't because I wanted to do it, it was just
Speaker 2: because I felt like I had to do it because
Speaker 2: I had all these expectations that I placed on myself
Speaker 2: and then other people had placed on me. So like
Speaker 2: coming to rehab, I'm actually deciding what's important to me personally,
Speaker 2: and those things aren't as stressful as all the other
Speaker 2: things I've done in my life, So that's been kind
Speaker 2: of freeing. So like mentally and physically, honestly, I'm feeling
Speaker 2: better than I have in a long time, and I
Speaker 2: don't see what substance is being hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wonderful. I'm not a real therapist, but judging
Speaker 1: off the information that you gave me about you getting
Speaker 1: arm Russell gang banged by fourteen guys, you do you
Speaker 1: definitely seem to have misplaced ambitions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I agree.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Man. Fuck, it sounds like you're cured now,
Speaker 1: but you got to do the whole year just to
Speaker 1: make sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, like everybody has rough moments and rough days too.
Speaker 2: Like I'm only talking about the good stuff, but I
Speaker 2: mean I have days where like all I can think
Speaker 2: about is pot too, and I just have to really
Speaker 2: struggle through it. Or like I'm invc. So when you're
Speaker 2: driving around, you smell pot like every five minutes and
Speaker 2: just the smell comes into your car. So like when
Speaker 2: that happens, it's tough. And like I've been, like every
Speaker 2: time I leave, my partner's there with me and she's
Speaker 2: keeping me sober. But if I was just on my own,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it'd be a lot harder. So
Speaker 2: I mean, if I left right now, I couldn't say
Speaker 2: that I'd stay sober. I definitely need more time here.
Speaker 2: Not all sunshine and roses.
Speaker 1: It's not all sunshine, roses and go karting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go karting for sure, but.
Speaker 1: It's at least a little bit go karting. That's what
Speaker 1: we know. Yeah, what the hell? Oh did you ever
Speaker 1: have a time in your life where you were able
Speaker 1: to like to smoke casually or was it always fucking nuts?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, Well, like I kind of transitioned from drinking
Speaker 2: super heavily to smoking super heavily. So when I was
Speaker 2: drinking super heavily, I would smoke maybe like once a month,
Speaker 2: and I was okay. But I was also drinking like
Speaker 2: fifty sixty seventy drinks a week, like just just pounding
Speaker 2: them down. And then like my liver started to go
Speaker 2: a little bit, so I quit drinking and went to smoking,
Speaker 2: and that's when it got really out of control. My
Speaker 2: liver is still kind of screwed, but I'm getting an
Speaker 2: ultrasound done on it, so hopefully it's okay.
Speaker 1: What is we do you? How is are there any
Speaker 1: did your doctor tell you about any of the long
Speaker 1: term effects of the ounce of whea today?
Speaker 2: Well, it messes up your lungs, that's for sure. We
Speaker 2: couldn't go up a flight of stairs without feeling like crapped.
Speaker 2: And like when I quit, I coughed up and resin
Speaker 2: from my lungs for about two weeks. My spit was
Speaker 2: just brown, like packing up phlegm. And like when I quit,
Speaker 2: it was like hardcore withdrawal. Hardcore withdrawal, I was like,
Speaker 2: because I was smoking like over and now it's the
Speaker 2: day through a bong. I didn't eat for like three
Speaker 2: weeks because I couldn't. I would throw up every time
Speaker 2: I eat solid food. I just drank whole milk. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I could keep down, and I didn't.
Speaker 2: I like, at the first week that I quit caught,
Speaker 2: I slept once every three days, and then the week
Speaker 2: after that it was once every two days, and then
Speaker 2: the week after that I could only sleep like three
Speaker 2: hours a night, and it just slowly got better. But
Speaker 2: for those first three weeks, like it was it felt
Speaker 2: like hardcore drug addiction or drugs like withdrawal. It was rough. Wow,
Speaker 2: like anyway listening, like, don't get to the point that
Speaker 2: I was at, because it's bad. It's really bad.
Speaker 1: Damn you know. I was gonna fucking take a rip
Speaker 1: of my dad pan after this, but now I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Well, like anything like anything can be used in moderation,
Speaker 2: But my problem is I'm really good at manipulating myself.
Speaker 2: So I cannot have one rip. I can convince myself
Speaker 2: that the next day I can have another rip and
Speaker 2: it's not a problem. And then I could convince myself
Speaker 2: that I can have two rips in a day and
Speaker 2: it's not a problem. And then I just spialed down
Speaker 2: from there. It's all about like, if you have the
Speaker 2: mindset for moderation, it makes all the difference. I almost
Speaker 2: think weed and small small amounts really hurts. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 1: You don't think weed and small amounts are there? Well,
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean I assume most I don't know.
Speaker 1: Most people who like you know, get addicted, are like
Speaker 1: our a people or like have struggle with addiction. I
Speaker 1: think most of them usually quit cold turkey for the
Speaker 1: rest of their lives rather than reintegrate it.
Speaker 2: I assume, yeah, And that's what I want to do, like,
Speaker 2: especially with my daughter, Like my parents didn't do the
Speaker 2: best job raising me and my Like my biggest goal
Speaker 2: in life has been to be a good parent because
Speaker 2: I want to be able to really succeed in some
Speaker 2: of the places they failed. And when I couldn't quit
Speaker 2: when my daughter was born, that was really scary. And
Speaker 2: I never want to go back to that kind of
Speaker 2: fear of not being able to take care of someone.
Speaker 2: And I know you say all the time, like, if
Speaker 2: you have a kid, you're screwed.
Speaker 1: Like, god da, do I sell all the time?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I had a call once with the I feel bad
Speaker 1: that I say that all the time. I fucking say
Speaker 1: things on this podcast and then people are like, remember
Speaker 1: when you said that. I'm like, I forgot anyone was
Speaker 1: listening to this. What was I gonna say? No, I
Speaker 1: don't think you're screwed. You sound very not screwed.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, she changed my life for the better
Speaker 2: by far. She gets me going every day. Yeah, twenty
Speaker 2: six and my partner is twenty twenty one or twenty two,
Speaker 2: so we're really young, okay to have a kid and
Speaker 2: we've only known each other two years.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well sounds like it's been in an eventful two years.
Speaker 2: Yeah you could say that.
Speaker 1: Okay, m And now you have your daughter and you're
Speaker 1: excited too. Oh I remember I was gonna ask me,
Speaker 1: you're you said your parents raised you in ways that
Speaker 1: you're not cool with. What do you want to share
Speaker 1: any like, uh, the things you've learned from their mistakes
Speaker 1: that you're hoping to not you're hoping to correct in
Speaker 1: your raising of your own daughter.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure. My parents were super super legalistic religious growing up,
Speaker 2: like like really hardcore. So like one example I can
Speaker 2: give is pretty much my earliest memory from childhood. I
Speaker 2: was maybe four or five years old and I was
Speaker 2: at church. I still remember like I was in the
Speaker 2: pews and I couldn't sit still because I was four
Speaker 2: or five years old. He can't sit still in church
Speaker 2: when you're that young. My dad was getting so ticked
Speaker 2: off at me. Then when we got home, he had
Speaker 2: me like sit in this little wooden wicker chair. And
Speaker 2: I still have this chair. It's like this tiny little
Speaker 2: kid's chair. So I know I wasn't very old, and
Speaker 2: he was like, now you look at the clock. If
Speaker 2: you have to sit there for an hour without moving,
Speaker 2: and if I see you move, I'm resetting the hour.
Speaker 2: And I like I sat there all day because I
Speaker 2: couldn't do it. I just remember like going away from
Speaker 2: that with just the seeing of like, well there's something
Speaker 2: wrong with me. I said, I can't, I can't sit still.
Speaker 2: There's something wrong with me, and my dad had to
Speaker 2: punish me, and like that just led to this huge
Speaker 2: conflict growing up of insecurity, like feeling like I'm not
Speaker 2: good enough, feeling like I'm I should feel guilty about
Speaker 2: myself constantly, and I don't want to teach my daughter
Speaker 2: that I don't want to let their get away with anything.
Speaker 2: But I like, I'm not going to ingring just like this,
Speaker 2: like this feeling of self hatred and self guilt. That's
Speaker 2: just not good for a kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your relationship with the parents, Like now.
Speaker 2: It's a bit better my dad, Like, my parents had
Speaker 2: three kids after me, and they did a much better
Speaker 2: job with those kids. They were also like nineteen and
Speaker 2: twenty when they had me, and they came from super
Speaker 2: religious homes who like R really came down on them
Speaker 2: for having a kid that young and not in marriage,
Speaker 2: so they had their own issues to work out. So like,
Speaker 2: my relationship with them is a little bit better now
Speaker 2: that now as a parent, Like they come and visit
Speaker 2: me in rehab and stuff like that. Still argue with
Speaker 2: my mom all the time because she's like a hard
Speaker 2: or anti vacks, like all these things I disagree with,
Speaker 2: but we get along. We can we can sit at
Speaker 2: a dinner together and not yell at each other.
Speaker 1: So that's good. It's kind it's kind of interesting that
Speaker 1: you get older and you're and then you have that
Speaker 1: thing of like, oh that was fucked up that my
Speaker 1: parents did that, But also they were probably also had
Speaker 1: just had no fucking idea what they were doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: And also the fact that you you recognize it as
Speaker 1: some kind of like cycle that you are now have
Speaker 1: the have the glorious opportunity to break.
Speaker 2: Absolutely that's like my biggest goal right now.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Do you think what if they come out
Speaker 1: with a like an like weed too? Would you try
Speaker 1: weed too if they if there was a sequel to weed,
Speaker 1: or would you be like No.
Speaker 2: I'm no, I'd want to. I definitely want to do it,
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't like I even I gave up like
Speaker 2: everything when I came here. I don't even drink coffee
Speaker 2: anymore because I don't want to be on any substance whatsoever,
Speaker 2: Like I really just want to be able to get
Speaker 2: through my day on my own power, just enjoy things
Speaker 2: without any kind of substance. I don't even drink like
Speaker 2: pop anymore. So I don't think We'd two would draw
Speaker 2: me back in as much as I would love to
Speaker 2: try it, But We'd.
Speaker 1: Too would be like a combination of all those things.
Speaker 1: It combines. It's like weed infused with soda and infused
Speaker 1: with alcohol, infused with Reese's pieces, and you feel all
Speaker 1: those things I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I've had we'd infused alcoholic drinks before, and those
Speaker 2: were pretty dope.
Speaker 1: But what is you've had? What you had? You've had? Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, just really, though I made I made my own,
Speaker 1: you made, Okay, alcol we'd infused alcohol makes sense logistically,
Speaker 1: But how the fuck do you make alcohol infuse weed?
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, Okay, No, I haven't made alcohol infuse weed.
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't. I didn't think to that, but I
Speaker 2: have made weed infused alcohol.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I thought you used weed into I infused weed into
Speaker 2: ever Clear, and then I would take shots of that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're in rehab.
Speaker 2: Man, me too, Man.
Speaker 1: God damn well, you know, I'm I'm the Lord has
Speaker 1: given you another chance after your weed infused ever Clear.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to see you taking and I'm glad to
Speaker 1: see that you're doing well. I'm massively impressed with you that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like it was a hellish road
Speaker 1: to get there, but uh, just yeah, I mean, going
Speaker 1: from five years of daily you know, craziness to uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like you're in a really good
Speaker 1: place right now after only two months. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: incredibly impressive. Man, good on you. I wish you and
Speaker 1: your family continued health and happiness throughout your existence. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see you in I'm gonna we're gonna meet
Speaker 1: each other in real life at fucking soon. I'm pumped too.
Speaker 1: That'll be awesome everyone. I'm coming to Vancouver on uh
Speaker 1: fulk sometime in June Therapy Gecko Tour dot Com. I'm
Speaker 1: going to Vancouver. I'm gonna have a fun time. We'll
Speaker 1: live life will I'll make sure, just just for you, know,
Speaker 1: I was I was thinking about starting a Therapy Gecko
Speaker 1: brand of weed infused alcohol and selling it at my shows,
Speaker 1: but just for you, I won't.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. It'll make it easier for me.
Speaker 1: What's your name again?
Speaker 2: Thanks?
Speaker 1: Ben, Ben? Ben? It was a pleasure talking man. Is
Speaker 1: there anything else you want to say to me or
Speaker 1: the people at the computer before we go?
Speaker 2: I'd love to show my partner she's watching. I love
Speaker 2: you so much. You are everything to me. And I
Speaker 2: listened to your podcast religiously, so I'm excited for the
Speaker 2: next episode. I listened to it while I'm in rehab cooking.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, fuck yeah, I'm glad to hear that. Man.
Speaker 2: You take care you two man, Ben forever, Lile forever.
Speaker 1: Oh that was a great call. Oh that was a
Speaker 1: great call. I love that guy that was. That was
Speaker 1: fascinating to me because yeah, I coulda talk to that
Speaker 1: guy forever. That was fascinating to me because after five
Speaker 1: I mean that was some heavy, fucking heavy, serious crazy
Speaker 1: thing like an ounce of weed a day for five years,
Speaker 1: fucking infusing weed into every clear I mean, that's crazy
Speaker 1: to me to be on that high level of addiction
Speaker 1: and then only after two months be talking the way that.
Speaker 1: You know, that guy was talking to me for the
Speaker 1: half hour, seeming like he was a good place. I
Speaker 1: was impressed by that. Gives me hope that, you know,
Speaker 1: I can go to Reese's rehab and you know, two
Speaker 1: months sober from the cups, we'll see he may look,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure there's many people listening to this
Speaker 1: who could call him with counterpoints. But he made he
Speaker 1: made rehab sound really fun. I don't know what kind
Speaker 1: of rehab he was in, but I kind of want
Speaker 1: to get addicted to meth right now so that I
Speaker 1: can go go karting. Indirectly as a result of that, Yes,
Speaker 1: I know, I could just go to the go kart
Speaker 1: place and give them twelve dollars and not have to
Speaker 1: get addicted to meth. That there's other ways to go
Speaker 1: go karting, and so I'll do that, all right, Thank
Speaker 1: you again, Ben. Hello, folks, it's the middle of the
Speaker 1: episode and I just wanted to remind you all again.
Speaker 1: I know I've said at it before, and I know
Speaker 1: I won't shut up about it, but it's just because
Speaker 1: I'm so filled with excitement and love. I want to
Speaker 1: remind you all that I am on tour this year
Speaker 1: in several cities across the world. I'm going all over
Speaker 1: Europe soon and you can check therapy geckotour dot com
Speaker 1: or find the link in the episode description to get
Speaker 1: tickets now and see what cities specifically I will be in.
Speaker 1: That's therapy geckotour dot com.
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Paul from Amy, Hello, Hello is this Lyle?
Speaker 1: Yes? It is.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, there's no one forwarding your call this time.
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 3: Well, there's several things, okay, one of them being my
Speaker 3: dad wants me to start a food truck.
Speaker 1: Okay, your dad wants you to start a what kind
Speaker 1: of food truck? Are we talking taco funnel cakes, Sega.
Speaker 3: It's a snow cone truck.
Speaker 1: Your dad wants you to start a snow cone truck.
Speaker 1: Is do you have a family snow cone business that
Speaker 1: he wants you to take over?
Speaker 3: No, it's a franchise.
Speaker 1: It's a franchise. Is it his franchise?
Speaker 3: He has some in Virginia, but I'm in Denver and
Speaker 3: he wants me to get one here.
Speaker 1: Okay, how do you How do you feel about the
Speaker 1: prospect of starting a snow cone business.
Speaker 3: It's not my dream, all right, but it might get
Speaker 3: me to my dreams.
Speaker 1: What's your dream?
Speaker 3: I would like to start a farm.
Speaker 1: You like to start a farm? Okay? Well, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: you could start the snowball business and think about it
Speaker 1: like it's a snowball farm. You start with snowball and
Speaker 1: then eventually you know dogs and shit.
Speaker 3: That's one way to look at it.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm you said that this that this snowball machine
Speaker 1: will this snowball truck can get you closer to your
Speaker 1: farm dreams. How do you think it will do that?
Speaker 3: From everything that I've heard from other franchise you use,
Speaker 3: it seems like a good way to make money and
Speaker 3: I'm pretty young, so I don't really need to be
Speaker 3: on any kind of fast track. But I will say
Speaker 3: I also get some like climate anxiety, so I feel
Speaker 3: like I need to do things quickly.
Speaker 1: You get climate exiet, like oh, that the world is
Speaker 1: going to freeze over and.
Speaker 4: We're all going to die stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be one event that.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of different events might culminate into
Speaker 3: like something not great.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this, if the climate changes and things
Speaker 1: start getting like obscenely hot, great time to own a
Speaker 1: snowball truck.
Speaker 3: You know what. I didn't actually think about it that way.
Speaker 3: That's a good point, lin. I don't thank you.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm. And you know, I feel like you could.
Speaker 1: You'll you'll be able to provide people a lot of uh,
Speaker 1: you know, serenity before this comet hits us or whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck's gonna happen. That's that's not a bad way
Speaker 1: to die, hit by a meteor while eating a skylight
Speaker 1: snow cone.
Speaker 3: I would love for it to be a quick impact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh okay, So are I are you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: So you're a right? So your dreams start a farm
Speaker 1: and you're aware that that has some amount of like
Speaker 1: upkeep costs, and you want to try to raise those
Speaker 1: with the snow cone machine place.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, Okay, And.
Speaker 1: Hell was I gonna say, are you like weighing this
Speaker 1: snow cone thing against like another way to make money?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am doing an IT certification right now, so
Speaker 3: that's one option. But I don't know, then people are
Speaker 3: gonna yell at me. It seems nicer to like hand
Speaker 3: out snowcunes and not get yelled at.
Speaker 1: Ah, you're afraid that people are gonna yell at you
Speaker 1: while you're handing out snow cones.
Speaker 3: Well, no, if I did, like it help desk, then
Speaker 3: probably people would call me all day and I don't
Speaker 3: want that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah it well it support It's true because here's
Speaker 1: the thing is, people will probably only be calling you
Speaker 1: if they are in a bad mood or if they
Speaker 1: have a problem that's been frustrating them for a while,
Speaker 1: and so you're going to get them in that mood.
Speaker 3: Well, and the thing is, like, originally, when I was younger,
Speaker 3: and for the longest time, I wanted to be a
Speaker 3: therapist or counseling psychologist. Yeah, I am really good at
Speaker 3: having patience and communicating with people who are in that
Speaker 3: kind of state. But I do think it might be
Speaker 3: more taxing than like manipulating children into eating sugar.
Speaker 1: Ice. Do you look at uh, do you look at
Speaker 1: a snow cone truck as manipulating children into eating sugar?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's hard not to because my dad is the
Speaker 3: kind of guy to read like how to win friends
Speaker 3: and influence people, and he's like, you need to compliment
Speaker 3: the children's shoes and then they'll want your snow cone,
Speaker 3: or like you need flashing lights, And I'm like, that
Speaker 3: doesn't sound very ethical to me. But also, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: the whole.
Speaker 1: Thing I would stay for. You know, if I went
Speaker 1: up to a snowball truck and there was you know,
Speaker 1: an old man in it giving me complements on my outfit,
Speaker 1: I'd probably walk away.
Speaker 3: Well, children don't know any better.
Speaker 1: What do you have a favorite kind of snow cone?
Speaker 3: You know what? I'm not gonna lie. I haven't had
Speaker 3: many of the flavors. I haven't really done a lot
Speaker 3: of the like I'm in Denver, so I haven't worked
Speaker 3: on my dad's talk very much.
Speaker 1: But you don't sound like you like snow cones at all.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I like. I'm gen z, so
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of hate everything.
Speaker 1: Okay, what job do you work now?
Speaker 3: I'm in between jobs. I just got fired from a
Speaker 3: cafe because I was it was it was that was
Speaker 3: a different story.
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, I'm gonna look, I kind of look.
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I'll say before we go. If you
Speaker 1: need a mascot for your snowball machine, I'm down. I
Speaker 1: don't know how. I don't know if I inspire people
Speaker 1: to want to eat sugar. People actually people might look
Speaker 1: at me and go like, I don't I don't want
Speaker 1: to end up like that and avoid the sugar. But
Speaker 1: who knows. You call them get cones.
Speaker 3: We could do that for a day if you have
Speaker 3: a back in Denver. I actually saw your live show
Speaker 3: when you.
Speaker 4: Were here last So if oh hell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah my snowcone truck and watch kids play
Speaker 3: soccer or whatever it is they do, I would love that.
Speaker 1: By the way, what kind of farm do you want? It?
Speaker 1: Is it like a dog? Is like an animal farm
Speaker 1: or like a weed farm or like a I mean
Speaker 1: what kind of crops are we talking?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I would love to have like community supported agriculture.
Speaker 3: So whatever crops are in season. I would love to
Speaker 3: share with the community for like a membership price, and
Speaker 3: then I would love to have a dairy with like
Speaker 3: healthy cows and potentially that we would also grow weed.
Speaker 3: Who knows, But my main thing is like I want
Speaker 3: to be self sustained and I want to be able
Speaker 3: to have a parallel structure to other things.
Speaker 1: Well, look, if you do this, you could just pretend
Speaker 1: like snowballs are in season. They're the in season crop
Speaker 1: and you're sharing them with your sharing the snowballs with
Speaker 1: the community.
Speaker 3: I think I might be able to do that.
Speaker 1: What is your name again, Amy? Right? Yes, well I
Speaker 1: am a good luck on your dream. Is there anything
Speaker 1: that you want to say to the people of the
Speaker 1: computer before we go?
Speaker 3: I just would rather say to you. I've been trying
Speaker 3: to get on your line for like two years now.
Speaker 3: I remember watching you as parking of COVID and it's
Speaker 3: really exciting to talk to you. So thank you for
Speaker 3: your time.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Amy, I appreciate you. Have a good night.
Speaker 3: Thanks you too.
Speaker 4: All From Seth.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, Hello, Hey is this Seth?
Speaker 4: This is Seth? Yes, Hello, Hi Harriet.
Speaker 1: I'm all right, Seth. What well, what's going on with you.
Speaker 4: Oh not much. I'm severing my first year anniversary at
Speaker 4: my first big boy corporate job tomorrow. That's pretty exciting.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, this is the first year anniversary of the
Speaker 1: whole time you've been at your job.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I got the job last March seventh.
Speaker 1: All right, do you like it?
Speaker 4: I do for the most part. I like it's customer support,
Speaker 4: like online, but it's kind of turning into more so managing,
Speaker 4: like the automation of customer support. So it can be fun.
Speaker 4: But people can be really rude sometimes even well it'sally online,
Speaker 4: but yeah.
Speaker 1: What's the what's the rudest thing somebody has said to
Speaker 1: you on this job?
Speaker 4: They I don't get as bad as my coworkers do,
Speaker 4: but I've definitely been told like that I'm a fucking
Speaker 4: idiot a lot, which is just funny. Usually it's not true,
Speaker 4: which it's usually on them. But I mean, what do
Speaker 4: I know?
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I mean, be honest with me. Have you
Speaker 1: ever had somebody yell at you? You ever have you
Speaker 1: had somebody yell at you and call you a fucking idiot?
Speaker 1: And you were like that was mean? But no, you
Speaker 1: were right. I was. I was I was being stupid.
Speaker 4: There there's been moments where I'm like, yo, I definitely
Speaker 4: did not know what this Like, I definitely messed up.
Speaker 4: I've definitely had messed up moments, but never with the people.
Speaker 4: It's always like really nice people. When I make a mistake,
Speaker 4: whenever they're me and I'm usually right. They're just usually
Speaker 4: mad about like refunds. They're usually they're pretty silly. So
Speaker 4: like I tell them to do something three times in
Speaker 4: a row because they just won't do it. They won't
Speaker 4: they do the right troubleshooting, and I can't help you
Speaker 4: if you won't do the right stuff.
Speaker 1: Now, why do you think these people are upset? What
Speaker 1: do you think happened to them in their lives to
Speaker 1: make them want to yell at you.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest. I think they just went through
Speaker 4: a whole lot of nothing in their life. And I
Speaker 4: think they're very bored, and so I think they just
Speaker 4: chat based so just on a website. So I think
Speaker 4: they get very very bored and they just want to
Speaker 4: go pick a fight with someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's also the chat thing is is interesting
Speaker 1: because you know it's cathartic, Like you know, you had
Speaker 1: a bad like you had a bad day in your life,
Speaker 1: maybe you maybe every day of your life has been
Speaker 1: a bad day, and then you know they can take
Speaker 1: it out on you by typing fuck you into a
Speaker 1: chat and they don't even have to see how you
Speaker 1: react to it because they just text you it. They
Speaker 1: don't even see that you are upset, so they there's
Speaker 1: no yeah, so they don't even get they they get
Speaker 1: it's kind of a total win win situation for them
Speaker 1: because they get to be mean and they don't get
Speaker 1: the recoil of watching you cry, which might make them
Speaker 1: feel bad, So they get to be mean without feeling bad.
Speaker 1: So I get, you know, I get why they do it.
Speaker 4: But I guess it works out then really well because
Speaker 4: usually it doesn't affect us because it's like I'm sitting
Speaker 4: at home, working from home, just vibing, like I literally
Speaker 4: just click off in the chat and go watch a movie,
Speaker 4: so we're both spying. I guess I think it's the
Speaker 4: relief I get to chill, you know, so be it right.
Speaker 1: All right, So I'm listen. From what you're telling me,
Speaker 1: it sounds like getting yelled at on the internet has
Speaker 1: is a beautiful experience for everyone involved.
Speaker 4: I think it depends on the position you're in. I
Speaker 4: think if you're if you have to be like like
Speaker 4: you know, it could have been your in your area
Speaker 4: of expertise, so it wouldn't be as beneficial for everyone.
Speaker 4: But I'm behind a computer screen as well, and like
Speaker 4: they don't interact with me, and I can. I can
Speaker 4: very easily. I mean, it doesn't something affect me as
Speaker 4: much as it could affect someone that's in the lime
Speaker 4: light more so.
Speaker 1: Well, how do you don't know who I am?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: They don't know who I am? Like they can't go
Speaker 4: to like all my different socials and just consistently blow
Speaker 4: me up for like years on end. They have one
Speaker 4: route of getting to me, and so I've blocked into
Speaker 4: the one route. They kind of can't do anything.
Speaker 1: That's true, But can I ask, does any part of
Speaker 1: you like have you have you ever tried going into
Speaker 1: this like you know, honored to get yelled at? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, like you're you're making these
Speaker 1: people happy by letting them brate you on the computer.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's an honored situation. There's some that
Speaker 4: I like go in because like my only other coworker
Speaker 4: who handles them. She's a like middle aged woman and
Speaker 4: a lot of people we get called into. And there's
Speaker 4: this one guy who calls in a lot who's very
Speaker 4: creepy to her, And so I take the honor of
Speaker 4: taking his phone calls every time and dealing with him
Speaker 4: because he's just creepy to me. But if I can
Speaker 4: spend happening to her, you know.
Speaker 1: So you help your coworker and this this phone call guy,
Speaker 1: you give him someone to talk to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I try to deflect him. I mean he
Speaker 4: literally asked like meet up with her and asked her
Speaker 4: what she's doing and how she's like just everything about her.
Speaker 4: So we just tried not to talk to him. But
Speaker 4: he has been paying our company for like five years,
Speaker 4: so it's a give and take, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, well I don't know. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know what his life is. I don't know what any
Speaker 1: of you guys' lives are, Like really.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I well, right now I'm to give
Speaker 4: you into my life. I'm living at home with my parents.
Speaker 4: How to move back in a year ago last January. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well it is. I'm excited to move out again, but
Speaker 4: it's it's been fun.
Speaker 1: What do you like your parents?
Speaker 4: I do you like my parents? Yes?
Speaker 2: I got lucky.
Speaker 1: Do you like What do you do you spend time
Speaker 1: with them while you're at home or do you try
Speaker 1: to avoid them to play computer game?
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say I tried to avoid them, but there's
Speaker 4: not much to do. I live in a we live
Speaker 4: in a very small town. Uh, and so I just
Speaker 4: do spend a lot of time in my room, just
Speaker 4: because if I were to interact with them all the time,
Speaker 4: we'd go crazy again, you know, mm hmmm hm, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, you know I I I came back home
Speaker 1: recently and it's been nice. I was on a walk
Speaker 1: with my mom today and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: fuck me, I'm over here trying to like travel the
Speaker 1: whole world and do all this to do a big
Speaker 1: fucking podcast thing.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, oh no.
Speaker 1: I was on a walk with my mom that it
Speaker 1: was nice outside and my there was a dog and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, this is this is enough? Really,
Speaker 1: this is plenty, This is good. This. I don't think
Speaker 1: this needs you know, I don't think I need. You know,
Speaker 1: hookers in ecstasy, maybe hookers next you would have would
Speaker 1: make it nicer. I don't. I haven't. Yeah, don't go.
Speaker 4: Ahead, like don't knock and you try it? Is that
Speaker 4: kind of what you're getting at?
Speaker 1: Sure i've tried ecstasy.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, well then maybe you would know. Do you
Speaker 4: think adding the hooker part would make it exponentially better?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no idea, that's the thing,
Speaker 1: but I really felt like it was it was everything
Speaker 1: you were going to say something.
Speaker 4: Well, I you know, I'm just gonna ask, like being home,
Speaker 4: you know, if I if I can take over here
Speaker 4: for a second, do you think being home?
Speaker 1: For me?
Speaker 4: Being home has been in a small town, it's been
Speaker 4: kind of like pausing, you know. I know I've been
Speaker 4: here for much longer than you've been moved back home
Speaker 4: I think, or living back home or whatever you doing
Speaker 4: back and you're going to tour soon as you're probably
Speaker 4: staying with them, But have you kind of like been
Speaker 4: at a pause and like realize that you don't need
Speaker 4: to be kind of go go go all the time.
Speaker 4: Like given that we're young and trying to make a
Speaker 4: name for ourselves, I think I've been trying to pause
Speaker 4: my life a little more and take it a little
Speaker 4: more slow.
Speaker 1: Since Yeah, I think, yeah, I think a pause is good.
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know. I think I don't know. I
Speaker 1: I actually can I tell you something. The other day
Speaker 1: I googled. I typed in what Seth? Your name is Seth?
Speaker 1: I typed into Google how to be happy. I swear
Speaker 1: to God, I did this in full earnest. I swear
Speaker 1: to God, I did it in full earnest because I
Speaker 1: don't know. And you know, part of me is SEE
Speaker 1: seeks happiness in uh, you know, going doing crazy whatever stuff,
Speaker 1: and then the other part is, like, you know, on
Speaker 1: the walk with my mom, this is nice, this is enough,
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: variables there that I'm not quite well.
Speaker 4: Happiness is hard to achieve, yeah, for everyone, sure, But
Speaker 4: I think there's some basic like ground building block to
Speaker 4: happiness that everyone can like rely on.
Speaker 1: Sure, Like for some people, what really truly brings them
Speaker 1: joy and happiness in life is to go on to
Speaker 1: chat rooms and yell at the people. YEA work in
Speaker 1: customer service, and and you and so you provide them,
Speaker 1: you know, with that happiness for a brief moment of time,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 4: Get to have a pretty easy job and take a
Speaker 4: pretty easy, you know, sensible paycheck, which makes me happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next time. So have you ever tried sending back
Speaker 1: a frowning emoji and seeing if they make they go like? Ah, Man,
Speaker 1: I made them feel bad? I should stand.
Speaker 4: I haven't sent back a frowning emoji, but I have
Speaker 4: sent that word for words the response I sent and
Speaker 4: made them angry because it was just the correct response.
Speaker 4: And I don't think that necessarily helps.
Speaker 1: M Well, I'm inspired. I'm gonna go yell at somebody
Speaker 1: in a customer service chat room and see how that
Speaker 1: makes me feel. Okay, yeah, give, I might be what
Speaker 1: was missing in my life.
Speaker 4: Honestly, these people never come back, so they have to
Speaker 4: be like good then, right, they healed in a way,
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 1: Right right right? You know you healed these You healed
Speaker 1: these people. I like the way you're looking at it
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: I crying for the positive.
Speaker 1: Then, Seth, is there anything you want to say to
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 4: You know, be honest, I found you in this podcast
Speaker 4: not even five hours ago. So it just pleasure to
Speaker 4: meet everyone, and uh, good luck on the tour. Man,
Speaker 4: I hope you kill it.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, how'd you find this? By the way, I'm
Speaker 1: just curious.
Speaker 4: I was looking on Spotify for a new podcast and
Speaker 4: I was like twenty. I was like two three rows,
Speaker 4: like twenty different podcasts, and on the comedy podcast and
Speaker 4: I saw this. I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 4: think I saw a short or an Instagram reel or
Speaker 4: something of you a year ago maybe, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I remember just being kind of fun. So I just
Speaker 4: tapped and listened to the most recent podcast you had
Speaker 4: with the demon guy.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yes, yes, I hope he's.
Speaker 4: Not something demons. I hope he's given a break for now,
Speaker 4: at least just a nice week's break.
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling, Seth.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. Have a good day.
Speaker 1: Some people like going on walks. Some people yell at
Speaker 1: folks in chat rooms. Some people summon demons. There's no
Speaker 1: wrong answers. There's no wrong answers. Beacon goes on the
Speaker 1: line making your phone calls.
Speaker 4: Every night.
Speaker 1: Every Beacon goes to his hide. He's teaching you aloud
Speaker 1: in the mid of your life. But he's not really
Speaker 1: an expert.